WWDC 2026 LIVE from Apple Park: iOS 27 Siri AI Hands-On

You start pretending to have fun, you might even have a little by accident. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. We're here live at WWDC in the Apple Park Podcast Studio. We're gonna go through all the announcements, and it's great because this is a well-considered take, not just a hot take, because I've been playing with all the betas. Jason's got the betas on there.

So let's get right into it. This episode is brought to you by Nordlayer, Keeper, Macpaw, and you, the members who support us directly. One of your hosts, Steven Robles, joined as always by my friend Jason ATN. How's it going, Jason? I'm I'm good. This is fun. good. This is fun. I today's quote was brought to you by Siri AI. Do you know what movie that's from? Well, I don't remember any movie where Siri A AI says stuff. I think it was from p from ~ what what was Pennyworth?

Well it is not what bad I don't know which one. It was you nailed it, yes, you nailed it again Batman Begins maybe? Okay. for our dub dub episode. That was Batman McGins. I I'm gonna be showing several Siri AI conversations because spoiler, it's actually pretty good. but yeah, they actually got that quote from Siri AI. So real quick, five star reviews, JD stores from the USA updated their review to five stars.

Thank you for that. Mendosi from Australia, inspired by crazy stories of vibe coding and tried it themselves. We're gonna talk about some vibe coding and vibe extensions in a minute. But Jason, we're here, we did it. How many devices are running the beta for you? Tell me. well technically you're there and I'm here, but that's cool. ~ I have three devices right now running the beta, Well, you know. an iPhone Air, a MacBook Neo, and the Vision Pro.

So I've been playing around with all of the twenty sevens. Same. I will say Vision. You you're doing your five Vision Pro, right? With the beta. I will say even my two Vision Pro, Yes. I updated straight to the beta. Much better experience, which is kind of the theme of the keynote and the event. We're gonna talk about some of the improvements that Apple has done, but Wi Fi connected faster, the Vision Pro just in general felt faster.

And I'm ~ I'm bullish, I'm optimistic about the the improvements. Do you notice anything? I'm just gonna s I'm just gonna say on my Vision Pro, I'm so glad that I've been taking panoramic photos because I took a panoramic photo in twenty fourteen of Comerica Park at a Tigers game and it is now my environment that I work in. And it is amazing that you can now do that. That was the that is the best feature in the new Vision OS.

I actually took a panoramic the morning of the keynote looking out into the ring, ~ just during the breakfast area, which last year I did not make it up to the media breakfast. I didn't realize like I missed that whole thing. I was always I was on the first floor, which I guess is like developer breakfast. I actually made it up to the third floor and and did a panoramic and made that into an environment in Vision Pro and it is incredible.

And so now I'm wish I had taken more panoramas for years, It is. but I will be starting right now. Yep. Yes. Because it is it's impressive because it's not just you know, there was the feature where you can expand a panoramic Envision Pro and look around a little bit, but this makes it a spatial scene and then an environment. And in my panoramic of Apple Park, like you could look down and see like picnic tables and the depth of those versus the the rainbow stage in the distance.

I mean it i it's truly impressive. It was fun. What's your f what's your favorite personal panoramic environment? Agree. personal do you mean of my that I of my own? Of your panoramas. Yeah, yeah. Well like the Comerica Park is pretty cool. Also I have a bunch of panoramas from we went to Alaska four or five years ago and those are just incredible. It's like basically the things that Apple has already put in there as panoramas, yes. only they're they're places I've been,

right? Like I it's awesome. Yeah, right, exactly. Side note, ~ learned yesterday you can have thirty four total environments from your panorama images. Thirty four. Okay. I think I have seventeen I put in there. I like all the good panoramas I put in there and Yeah. Someone I just started yeah, it's great. someone actually said that number yesterday, so in case you're so I thought we could break down all the announcements into three.

And I mean I've been playing with them with several several days. You know, the system improvements, I think there's some hidden agents and foldable hints in some of the features, Siri AI, and then the parental controls I want to cover at the end because that's actually pretty significant. You know, we both use screen time and parental controls a lot. But I thought it was interesting, you know, the keynote I Last night I stripped all silences from the keynote.

And if you remove the intro and outro music, it's an hour and two minutes. So you remove all the pauses waiting for Siri AI to like do a response and one hour, two minutes, flat, just from people talking. But and it was very different keynote, obviously. You know, we've people have talked about this, but rather than go platform by platform, it was very much here's everything coming to everything. And we're just gonna talk about all the devices throughout.

Nothing, you know, little specific things here and there. So I don't know. How did that feel to you when you were watching it? Wha when was the moment you realized it was gonna be a very different keynote? 'Cause for me it was the moment where Craig Federigi was like, We you all just want to know the name so I don't know what the name is, but I have a note. I'm like, Hold on, this is gonna be very different like as a keynote. The the Volkswagen the Volkswagen bus was hilarious.

~ I thought I thought he was really being serious about they're not gonna name macOS anymore. ~ because I remember I heard the ATP guys talking about that, like maybe they won't do this forever. And so I was like, no, this is like the year, but no, sure enough, we got Golden Gate as the year. I think when it was a little farther in, when they sp spent more than 10 minutes on the parental controls, I was like, this is very different. I've never heard this much about screen time in a keynote.

Yeah. but I was thankful for it and and I got more details about that too.

also it felt like this was the year of Apple is embracing like vibe coding. I mean it obviously describe a shortcut, which we can get into some details later. It's basically like vibe coding a shortcut. There's the incredible new feature about creating an extension, just like a personal Safari extension, just by describing it. And I put it in a video I published just this morning. Like I asked it for an extension that tells me the image resolution. Of something on a website when I tap it,

and the extension just works. And that was on my phone. That wasn't even on my Mac. And there's agents in like passwords, which can like ~ change your passwords if it's a compromised without you even going to the website. So it just feels like there's so much adoption of like vibe coding feeling things and agents. And I wanted to share one picture I'm allowed to share, those I'm pretty sure. in a briefing right. We're gonna find out real soon if you're allowed to share it.

As I'm gonna be rushed at the stage. All 18 people in this room are just gonna tackle me. But there was a kind of an AI area where they showed off AI and different things. They had the draw things app, they had shortcuts, but LM Studio, the makers of LM Studio, which is a Mac app that allows you to use local models, they had the setup at this table, four Mac Studios maxed out, so like 500 gigabytes of unified memory each, which I don't think they even sell that Mac Studio anymore because it's,

you know, constraints. But this thing had two terabytes of unified memory collectively. They had them in a not a RAID, but you know what I mean, all collective talking to each other, a node. And they were just showing off local LLMs doing things like coding and annotating images and doing all these things locally and models using models. It just fera it felt very much like Apple is embracing this. And I thought back to like two or three years ago. It was rare to hear Apple say AI in general.

It was everything was machine learning, maybe L L ~ but AI wasn't anything until Apple intelligence and then that's what it stood for. But now it's very much I mean Siri, literally the name is AI. So I don't know. Did you get that vibe too? Well, I think I mean, yes, I think also this is a thing we know that these L LMs are good at. Right? Th like they're good at coding and they are good

at that sort of thing. I'll be real interested in like after you've had more time to play with the shortcuts, how what those limitations are because they're not like there are still they don't know all of the possible things. Like I remember listening to Vitici talk about how he built whatever thing he built, like the CTL for s for shortcuts or whatever he did. Like he had to like spend all of that time just trying things Yeah, yeah, yeah.

and then reinforcement learning and then figuring out where the edges are. So I'll be interested like in what you think about that. But yeah, this is the thing that they're good at. And along with that, they make those features more accessible to more people because the number like No one that I know except for you like you bring the average way up because no one I know does shortcuts at all. But if I can count if I count you, Yeah.

everyone I know does a million shortcuts because you do like a trillion. But most people don't. And the reason is they just it requires them Sure, sure. to get their brain into a frame of mind of like, yeah, I know I want to do a thing and maybe my phone could do it, but I don't know where to start. Being able to start by typing the words into the thing, like that's a huge, huge win. Yeah. Yeah, and that was rumored, it came true.

A bunch of people on social media were like, no, do you have a job anymore? I think this is more exciting because one, it's gonna open up shortcuts to way more people. People who are intimidated at first, who didn't know anything about building a shortcut, they're gonna try it for the first time. And then if it does it even close to good, they're gonna wanna know more and they're gonna want more shortcuts.

So I think it's good. It's nice that we're recording kind of midweek now because I've now heard lots of stories, gotten to talk to people. And just as a side note on the describe a shortcut, ~ Vitici, I've been talking to him all week, and he had been trying to do describe a shortcuts with very long prompts because typically with other LLMs, you would want to do a very verbose, detailed, complex request. And he was ~ struggling. Like the shortcuts would struggle to build those things.

But I after I heard that, ~ I talked to someone and they said, actually just tell it what you want, like tell it the end result, and you'll probably get a better shortcut. And sure enough, I actually went back and one of the things I wasn't sure if it would be able to do was use external APIs and build the get contents of URL in the shortcut and actually get it all right. But I was like, all right, well, let me give it kind of a brief just tell me what I what tell it wants what I want.

And I asked it, build a shortcut that uses the OpenAI API where I can ask a question and then just show me the result. And that was it. Like that was the entire prompt. And If you know, or if you've seen my shortcut that does that, there's lots of embedded dictionaries and there's complex like JSON that you have to pull from the API result. And JSON, it did it. And it built the shortcut, it got everything right in the get consensive URL.

I asked it a second time to do it with the Anthropic API, and it got that right as well. And so I think ~ I'm even more bullish now. After trying it several times. When it comes to super long, like multiple if statements, one of the new features in shortcuts is like else if. So rather than having to embed multiple if statements, you'll be able to do like otherwise if. I'm excited about it. So Hmm. Yeah. And I was just happy that I got both of the things I wanted.

Wha what were the two things you wanted? You don't even remember we did this whole long pre show. I don't remember There's only two things that I one is that developers would have have access to the off device models, right? Right. The developers would be able to use private cloud compute, huge thing, and that they would finally have figured out the app intents. So the developers can link into Siri. Yes. Yes. And both of those things happened.

And as somebody with an app in the app store that was waiting for both of those things to happen, I'm so excited. That's right. That's right. In fact, I got emails like an hour and a half after the keynote. They're like, Hey, when you if w if you're done with this, could I get on the The beta and I'm like, dude, like I haven't even written an article about this. I haven't changed the app at all. Like I haven't even downloaded X Code twenty seven yet. Yeah. Come on.

I need I need to find out how to integrate Apple intelligence into my coffee finder app that all it does is find coffee shops near you. But no, I'm not gonna do that.

All right. So let's talk about system improvements. they started the keynote with this. There was the wall of 263, I believe, items. And I'm gonna link in the show notes. Basic Apple guy, friend of the show. He actually took the whole wall of text and actually made A bullet pointed list, numbered list. I actually opened this in one of my meetings this week to be like, let me ask about this. What is this? And ~ so there's 263 total improv system improvements.

And I actually heard from someone inside, like they said snow leopard. And so that snow leopard update that so many of us have been hoping for, asking for, like this is it. ~ I think even internally, this is something that that's how they view it. And Promoting the beta, like this has been the most stable beta. Like I went through this whole rigmarole, Jason, if you remember of like doing another partition on my Mac to install the beta. You remember all that?

Yeah. yeah. Totally remember that conversation. Well, last night I said screw it. And I just put it on my main MacBook Air, my main account. I'm using it right now to like do the riverside and share the screen. And it's great. it's real and it's wonderful. And the system improvements are clear. You know, a lot of them like airdrop being 80% faster. And not just the transfer speed, we heard that it's going to be like the people showing up in the share sheet when

you start airdrop. That's going to be faster. The actual like reliability of seeing people, like everything has been improved. We talked about Vision Pro, the Wi-Fi speed, Wi-Fi and cellular handoff. So like when you're leaving your house and your iPhone is still like hanging on by a thread to your Wi-Fi and just refuses to let go. All of all of that is gonna get better.

The messages sync where the counter and badge might not be in sync across like your iPhone and your iPad, that's supposed to get better. And all I mean, I just already feel all those improvements, and so I'm excited they actually they did it. Like they did the thing. They spent a year just doing like all the improvements. And from what I've seen, even on my iPad, I installed the beta on my iPad, my MacBook Air, my iPhone Air,

and the Vision Pro. And I've had one app, ShareShot, which I love ShareShot. That app doesn't open right now. That's like the one issue that I've found so far. But everything has been solid. I mean, how has it felt to you? on the iPhone I think it's been great. That's the one I've had it on the longest. I did that immediately. And there there's a couple of random things. I'm still on the waiting list for the new series. I'm a little g getting a little bit so that means you are obviously still?

not on the waiting list anymore for the new series. we're gonna do Siri in real time right here, Jason. I got my Siri app and I'm gonna screen share it in a second. If it's not if it wasn't bad enough that you just have to sit there and gloat because you're sitting in Apple Park, you're gonna also just gloat about the fact that you have it. Jason, I wish I wish you were here. No, it's great. It's great. I've been there. I wish you were here. I got I got there first. It's all good.

I know, I know Wow, okay. Anyway, Okay, a little jab in there. That's good, that's good. no, but it's been great on the Mac. All the things that they fixed, it's it's amazing to me how many things that they fixed seemingly in response to feedback, which is a good thing. Yeah. It does also seem a little bit uncharacteristic from what we've what we've exp like experienced in the past.

Not that Apple doesn't listen to to its users, but it doesn't s I haven't other than the Safari couple years ago with the tab bar, like how that all worked on the phone, the tabor, yeah. which they which they walked back before the betas were before they shipped the main version, right? But we don't typically see that kind of thing. That is true. Right, right. And I mean, even stuff like now the sidebars in Mac OS Finder. Right. They've gone back. Like all that stuff.

So I'm very happy with They made very clear ~ in several meetings that they listened to users. They even mentioned social media as something that they looked at for feedback, that they listened to developers and users. And so they made it very clear, even at the tech t the tech talk, which after the keynote, there was a small group of us that got to go to like another theater, and you probably saw lots of clips and

and videos of that. ~ it was really interesting because Craig Frederiki he did a lengthy explanation and we were allowed to record the audio. So I did that. I didn't get a chance to like transcribe and actually I needed to learn more about the behind the scenes of Siri AI and the LLM. But there were a couple things he made very clear. It was one, like we heard users and feedback, and this is a response to that. And two, Siri AI is not Gemini.

Like if there was one thing he was trying to make clear, Yeah. is he spent 20 minutes with like multiple diagrams on screen talking about how we use Gemini foundation models, but you know, to do something with Apple AI, it's unclear like if Did Apple distill Gemini models? Is it like meshed it together somehow? Like it's it's unclear to me at least how the technical side works on that. But he said even during that tech talk,

like it's not Gemini. Like when you ask Siri AI something, it is not Gemini, it's not doing that. And even just so much as like we send as little information up to the cloud when you make a request as possible. And so I need to do more data and digging into that. But it was to all that to say very clear that user feedback. was listen to things like the corner radii. You know, they even said, like, Yeah. we heard from you about corner radii and we we fixed that.

We also got not maybe it's an improv not a fix, but 4K home kit secure video camera ~ recording. That's been amazing. That's I think it's been like six years. I texted you as soon I was like, Did they just say the thing you've been asking for? It's been six years and then we finally got it. ~ we didn't get pan and tilt controls in the home app, but one step at a time, you know, we don't move too fast. Baby steps. Baby stuff. but but I'm excited for the for the improvements there.

across the platforms. And before we get to some of like the hidden agent stuff, a lot of people have been posting on social media about hints in the new betas about foldable rumors. You know, the rumor is that the iPhone fold is going come this year. And there's two pretty distinct things. One, an iPhone app on the iPad. If you install an app on the iPad and it just has an iPhone version, there's no more like the 1x2X, you just blow up the iPhone app.

You can actually reformat the app onto the iPad screen, which is which is wild. And then for iPhone mirroring, this is even more crazy. If you iPhone mirror in the iOS twenty seven betas from your iPhone to your Mac, you can now expand that iPhone mirroring window and the app will format larger. Like whatever app you're looking at, Yeah. it will format like a mini tablet and it's like, All right, we we all see what you're doing here, guys. I mean, do you think I mean this year?

I mean, is it you think so? I that's what the rumors are. I I gotta be careful 'cause I don't I don't want no, yeah. the bouncers to come and attack you. that's very true. Yeah, that's very true. But I but I think I mean that it it would make sense that that No, thank you for that you would start incorporating those features now if what you were going to do is release it this fall. Right? It doesn't make sense to have those features incorporated if you're Right.

not going to release it until next year. And there's yeah, and there's even developer tools. I forget what the app is called, but where you can like preview your app and all the different devices in this one window thing, and it does the same thing, you know, expand the window. ~ but before we get to Siri AI, so I feel like hidden agents are an interesting point here. I mentioned it before, but like the create and extension in Safari, but there's also this amazing feature.

I I signed up for changedetection.io and set up an elaborate like push-cut automation to do what Apple released as a feature this week, which is Notify me in Safari. Or if you're on a web page, like of the Unified Travel Router, which I'm gonna talk about for like two minutes at the end of this episode because I love it and it's amazing. But if you if you want to be notified when it's back Ha ha ha. in stock, it's now just a built-in feature.

You tap the extension area in Safari in the address bar, you can say notify me, tell it the change you want to be notified. This could be for price drops or changes for out-of-stock notifications, and then you'll get a notification. It can check hourly. I believe or daily. I'm sorry. I think it checks daily. So it can't be like every 30 minutes look at this price if it's like a really in-demand item. But you can do the notify me. And someone I asked, you can it even works if Safari is closed.

So it's unclear like is that living in the cloud? Like how is that notification working? But it doesn't sync to your other devices. So if you set up a notify me in Safari on your iPhone, you won't get the notification on your Mac. It is kind of locked to the device, which is interesting. But that feels like an agent, like working on your behalf.

The passwords that I talked about, where the passwords apple just go out and fix your passwords, navigate those websites behind the scenes without you even having to go to it,

that feels wild. And a lot of the image tools feels not agentic, but you just see more and more of the generative thing, which there were mixed emotions about that, I feel like, when the photo stuff came up. You know, we've had cleanup since ~ Apple Intelligence launched two years ago, but now we have the extend. For a photo and even the reframing. And I've messed around with that. I Kanoopsi for the first time. He was here, great YouTube channel.

I followed him for years. And so we were playing around with the perspective thing. And, you know, it's generating stuff. Like if you change the perspective on an image and there was something in the background, and more of it needs to be seen, like a plant, it's gonna generate more plant. And so this is generative fill or generative AI.

And I asked a question ~ in one of the meetings, and I said, like, When I changed the perspective, one of the things they said you can like the eyes, if someone wasn't looking into the camera, you can change the perspective slightly and have the subject looking into the lens. And I was like, Well, okay. If you do that, are you like generating eyes? Like are you generating pixels? Yeah. So it's looking at the camera? And the answer was very, well,

we're really pixels. Basically like pixels and stuff, and they're moving. And ~ it's not you know, they didn't want to say it was like generating it out of whole cloth. So it's an interesting line they're trying to I think they're trying to distance themselves from like Google and Samsung, which is like put a hot air balloon behind me in this picture, and making adjustments versus creation. But anyway, I just said a lot of things, but but give me your thoughts. So I d I played around with this.

I took a photo that I took when I was in Montreal in the pit. Whoops, hold on. Let me see if I can get it. So this is the original picture. I like I like you squinting. And then this was the new one, which is funny because there's a bicycle in front of the Ferrari garage, which is not there. There's no bicycle there. And okay. Okay. Really? But it's like, so this is the original one. And then it goes to the new one. Yeah. So like it it knew the pit lane thing, so it fixed that.

Right. So and then it but it just generated all this stuff over there, which was clearly not there because that's the Ferrari garage. There's a car in there. And it put like a bicycle there. It's so but that's but the point is, Interesting. it did a good everything it put in there looks pretty decent. It just didn't know that like the reason I picked this photo is I'm like, is it gonna draw from the context of where I'm at and figure out what should

be there? Or is it only looking at the pixels right next to it and going, just extend? Right. And it seems like it did the latter. Well, I'm going to do something probably ill advised and try to do an extend picture live here on the show. So I also got to meet I also got to meet Bridget Carey from CNIT, Okay. who's awesome. And for this one, I when I first did extend, I did this the other day and it like gave us more arms and torso. So I'm curious ~ what it's gonna do here.

But Well and to be clear, mine was actually a reframe, but if you reframe a photo, it has to do extend as well because you are like distorting the viewpoint Right. and then to make it a square photo it has to fill that in somehow. Right. And so let me ~ let me adjust the crop here and extend this.

The few times I've done it, like it's been genuinely impressive, like what it's doing, how well it will like with the Canoopsi photo I took, the plant that was behind them got generated as like a full plant, and it was really good. And in the original you could only see like a couple leaves. Sure. ~ but it's interesting, you know, how far you'll be able to push this. We'll have to do more testing over the summer. Like how much can I generate from a thing?

And you can always bring these photos into image playgrounds and add stuff. But as you can see here, now I can't remember if that guy was in the was that guy in the original image? I'm not sure. But If you click on it, doesn't it sh doesn't it ~ does it give you the option? For the extend for the extend one, ~ I'm gonna reset the extend so we can see the original, but you can see like Bridget's arm got longer and it added more arm for me. Like so I'm like holding the camera farther away.

Yeah. And if I go back, you know, you can see that that wasn't I don't think that guy was there. I think it definitely it definitely put a guy there. No, I don't think so. Unless they know something you don't know. Now wait a minute. Yeah. So it it's interesting and I've heard I saw people on social media, you know, saying this is like AI slop and stuff.

You tell me, Jason. I I personally don't put this in the same category as like in one of the briefings, draw things was like creating a video of a polar bear or some bear like talking. I'm like, okay, that's generative AI. If you want to put something in AI slap category, like that's that. I don't put this in the AI slap category personally, but I understand it's like a fine distinction. But what what do you I don't think it's no, don't think that's a fine distinction.

I don't think this is slop. Because I think AI slop that you know me, Right. I'm a word person. I get very fixated on the exact definite. Yeah. But I think what people mean by AI slop is a thing that's not real at all that only exists for the purpose of s shoving content in our faces. It's just like it it it's the a it's the content version of all of the alphabet soup products you find on Amazon. Remember when we had these conversations about like, Mm, yes, yes. ~ does this product even real?

It's just a bunch of gibberish words and a bunch of AI generated so yes. photos. That's slop. This is you can still have feelings about whether we should be doing this or not doing this or whatever. But what's essentially happening is like it is you you can already do this in Photoshop. You can pull up an image in Photoshop and j use generative fill and be like, do this to the photo. I don't know, Right, right. like as a photographer, I mean I did the test to see what would happen.

I I don't I don't think that this is a good I always have a problem Steven when we give people a solution that makes it easier for them to just do a dumb thing in the first place, Sure. which is like, well just look at your photo before you take it. Are you like there are some scenarios where you're in a rush and you want Yeah. to fix something later, but also just take a beat. Think a little bit more about the photo and take it.

Well well a a counterpoint to that, I did not have a beat when I was trying to take a selfie with John Turnus, but I'm also not gonna open that picture right now in Apple Park and try to extend it. I feel like then I might get I might get rushed. The stage might get rushed. But also you that's the most important photo you've ever taken of yourself, Steven. So I feel like it was worth taking making sure you get it right.

Well it might have been my last opportun you you never know if it's your last opportunity. Anyway. And though that photo if you were to extend it or reframe it or whatever, it wouldn't have the same meaning to you. True, but maybe I can change the perspective so he's actually looking at the camera. You know what I mean instead of the screen. But anyway, they're hard. So and eye eyes are the hardest thing for AI to d to get right. They're hard. They're hard. All right, So

let's talk about Siri AI. So in the tech talk after the keynote, Mike Rockwell was there along with Craig Federighi and others. And what was impressive, it's it was live demos on stage. And I think it was a warm-up or maybe like practice run for maybe doing more of this, because We'll talk about the demos that were during the keynote, which you wrote a great piece about.

We'll put in the show notes. But to see the demo on stage, so that tech talk, I mean, Mike Rockwell was making requests in real time. We saw the iPhone on the screen and it was just doing stuff. Like he was he was making requests, asking it to do personal context stuff. And I think the bottom line is like they did it.

Like they fixed the thing. The all the promises from two years ago about personal context, being able to ask what time I need to leave to pick up my mom from the airport and be able to get to my kids. thing in time, it all works. I have some wild examples I'm going to share in a second with the Siri app personally. But you wrote the article watching it wait as far as those requests in the actual keynote video. Tell me about that.

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Yeah, I just think it was really important for them to to communicate that this is as real as possible. Right. And I so I think that by l le the temptation is when you're going through a demo. imagine first of all how short the demo would have been. You to you already told us like the whole th there was an i there was a time advantage. They filled some time.

But I think what they were trying to do is establish credibility and that the the messiness of the process not that the process was broken, but just like we all know that this sort of thing takes time. And so if it didn't take time in the demo, you become you're over promising again. And so I just think that by giving it the time, letting us watch it wait, let us see it was the next best thing to actually doing those demos live in person.

Right. And I actually think it was really smart the way they had the split screen, so that it was very clear that you were watching a person talk to you and then you were seeing the phone in their hand. And actually It had to have been so hard to hold the phones at that awkward angle so that the camera that was over their shoulder could get it. Like that must have been torture to do this.

Yeah. Yes. But I think that that was that was the smartest thing about the entire keynote was if we're going to demo this, Yes. the thing they knew that was true was that they made a lot of promises two years ago, many of which they couldn't deliver on. And so they needed to not overpromise. And the way that you communicate that you're not overpromising is you just show your work and let people watch it. That's that's a show your work is great.

And during a lot of we had opportunities to like capture content on camera as like content creators, basically of of people at Apple doing Siri AI, doing c and we could film it. And just to the angle of having to hold a phone, I have so much so much video of someone's wrist like cocked at like a eighty degree angle, trying to get you know, no reflections, try to make sure nothing weird is in the background and also you can film it while they talk to it.

It's Kudos to all the people who ~ were doing those briefings and like holding phones They're all gonna need physical therapy now. and like, everyone has a carpal tunnel. Right? Everyone has an RSI. ~ but one thing that was rumored and we did get was the dedicated Siri app. And I've been playing around with this. We we debated a little bit before all this keynote stuff about does it need a dedicated app or whatever. I am a hundred percent glad it is here.

One, because now I can go back and show you all. And I know I'm t I'm talking about a lot of visuals this week. I apologize. Go watch in Apple Podcast, Spotify, or YouTube just to see some of these visuals live ~ as we do it. I also I'll link my YouTube videos in the show notes to watch. But I can go back to my very first ~ request of Siri AI, which was how many R's are in the word strawberry? Jason Agata right, it nailed it. It nailed how many R's are the word strawberry.

And I also asked it, ~ I guess this one Wasn't saved, but I asked it the car wash question. no, I pinned it up here. You can pin conversations in the Siri AI app. And I said, I have to wash my car. Should I either walk to the car wash or take my car? And this was a meme where a lot of other AI apps were like, Well, if it's a nice day, you should walk. And it's like the point is car wash. And the AIs would miss that whole point. To Siri AI's credit, you should definitely take your car.

Walking to the car wash wouldn't be very helpful if your goal is to wash the vehicle. Siri's got a little ~ got a little sarcasm. I kind of like that. I mean, let's be honest. This is the most famous gaff of of the ChatGPT era. Yes. There's no way someone's job was not to be like, we have to get this one right. You you think someone like hard coded this response? I I bet you every single one of them has this now hard coded. It's just like if someone asks.

Mmm, that's probably true. That's probably true. But ~ the Siri app is great. And one of the things, ~ I think the promise of two years ago, personal context. I was at the live show, live talk show last night. John Gruber, his guests were Joanna Stern and Neeli again. And Joanna was talking about she's been using, she used personal context several times, real world scenarios already, because she just asked her iPhone, what time did John tell me I needed to be there tonight?

Not very much context in the request and it still nailed her ~ the got the answer right. It got the answer right. And so I just got off the wait list yesterday, so I haven't had that long to test it out. But I did want to show a couple examples. One, my son texted me the other day, he had a job interview, and I wanted to know how it went. Now, for context, I have two sons, I have three kids, and the only thing that I asked Siri AI. My full request was what did my son say about his job interview?

And after a couple seconds, personal context came through and Siri said, Your son, Jordan. So it actually named the son. I didn't specify which son it was. Said his interview at the New Dance Studio went well, and it sounds like he might have the job. He also mentioned that he was invited to teach a master class there after his July trip. Congratulations, Jordan, by the way, because that's awesome. I was really happy for him. But it pulled it it did it.

Like it pulled it up. I asked the general question and it got it right answer. And then one other personal ~ request, I asked ~ what did Andrew when did Andrew say he was arriving at Wubdub? Again, I did no last name, no further context. I was talking about Andrew Clare. I got to spend a lot of time with him this week. He helped me film some videos,

great YouTube channel. And he said he mentioned he was planning to arrive early on dubdub Friday night so he could spend Saturday exploring San Francisco. He also noted that he needed to be back for work on Wednesday evening. It like did all it's doing the things.

And what was wild too is When, at least here on the betas, this probably won't be the case once this is public, but when you do a request, there's like a thumbs up, thumbs down, and you can give feedback on how well it did with the request and not. And what's interesting is if you choose to share that feedback with Apple in the beta, it will show you all the things it indexed for that request. And so I did it for that text to about my son Jordan and his job.

And it said, here's the Siri response, the on-screen, here's the diagnostics, 20 mail messages. And I redacted something because Jason, this thing went back far. Like I saw some email subjects and I was like, I that was like a decade ago. But it pulled messages, text messages, mail, reminders, notes, reading list items from Safari. And it's just so clear that it's doing the personal context thoroughly, fully.

And one of the reasons why if you update to the beta, and this will be the case when everyone gets it this fall, it's going to take days to index. I mean, I've had people updated to the beta on Monday, and it's still indexing now on Wednesday. Like it's gonna index, index. And the reason why it's taking so long, too, is it has to do it on every device because just like in the past, Apple is preserving privacy and security. And so it's not going to index on your iPhone.

And then send that information index up to the cloud and then back down to your iPad. Your iPad has to index it, your Vision, your Apple Vision Pro has to index it, your iPhone has to index it. And that's time consuming and intensive for your local device, but that's that privacy and security that's built in. And something that agents like Claude and OpenAI can't say. You know, they're like your information.

The reason why Claude on your iPhone knows just about you about Claude on your Mac is because all your stuff is. In anthropic servers. It's in that data center in Tennessee or whatever. Like it's just there. And but it's like it's impressive. Like it's doing the things.

Yeah. And as someone who has been working on this sort of a feature in an app, like that the hardest part is figuring out what is the information, what is the scope of information that needs to get fed into this in order to find like what is the so what are the sources parsing through that in order to deliver a response. And the tra challenge in the past has just been as with the 'cause Apple intelligence will do that, I can tell you. Like right now, Apple intelligence itself is capable.

It's just that the context window is so small. That it was impossible for it to shove enough information into that and to get to get all that. But now what they're able to do is they can just literally take all of your information and that with the semantic index, it's it only has to look at the what it can quickly triage what's the relevant information going back infinity, Right. Yeah, it did. right? Like it's all anything that's been indexed is just there.

It did. Yeah. Yeah. And then it'll just give you that. And I do really like the fact that it also then gives you the source that it used to give you the information. Yes. Now, the big thing is one thing it couldn't see right now were my bear notes. And my five thousand plus bear notes is where I've kept a lot of my knowledge and thoughts for the last however many years. And so that's something hopefully over the summer app developers adopt quickly.

We'll see if things, you know, apps like Spark, Fastmail, Bear, Things, all those apps I think they'll get on board. How quickly will Microsoft's Outlook allow its Content to be indexed by Apple Siri AI, the Gmail app, your YouTube app. I don't think YouTube's gonna do it. And one of the things Neil I said at the talk show last night, like there's no way Meta is going to plug in your Instagram DMs to be indexed by Apple. Not that it would really hurt Meta at all, but I think just out of spite,

just Zuckerberg. Like he's like they don't share it. Well yeah, they don't want to share that. They want you looking at your DMs in Instagram. It right. But yeah, I can tell you right now, I will be connecting contextlate to this immediately. I and I will not be connecting Coffee Finder to Siri AI, but contextually you should you should check that out. Totally fine. just a preference question for you,

I'm curious. Now that Siri AI is a thing, which I think is just wild that there's like AI in the name of an Apple product, but the Spotlight on Mac, on iPhone, on all the devices, it's now Spotlight and Siri. There's no separation. So when you do command space on your Mac, it is both. And as you start typing a request, if it's a longer request, it's basically just gonna kick you over to Siri AI. If it's short, like launching an app, it should do that pretty intuitively.

And on the Mac, you can still do like command space four, it gets your clipboard manager. It's just this newer kind of interface. From the last couple of days I've been using it on my Mac and my other devices. It's okay. I'm not sure if I prefer it. Like sometimes I almost wish like just give me spotlight because I'm like trying to launch an app or I'm looking for a file and folder. And there are ways to do that,

like in Spotlight. You can, or in Siri AI now in macOS 27, like I could do command space, type in P-I-XL, and hit tab, and that will start searching for pixel mater documents, and it should like bypass the Siri AI. So maybe it's gonna be great, but I'm not sure how I feel about all of that being in one. Have you had any time to kind of play around with that? No, I mean, yeah, I don't know.

It's like I think it is the kind of thing where we're gonna have to spend some time figuring it out and I'm gonna for now trust that the people who made it spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. Yeah. Well sure. And I think that this is a very new ~ a very n like a new paradigm for us because in the past, I mean most of us had just gotten used to the fact that Siri was the thing we used to set timers and reminders. Like that was it, right? That's true. That's true.

And now it's sort of the gateway to something much more powerful and it's gonna take some time to figure out how are we going to shift the way we use it. Because I don't think people are gonna just stop using Claude either. That's the other thing. Like I'm not deleting the Claude app off my phone. No. Well, and another point is Siri AI on the Mac, there were demos in the keynote and several ~ that we got in briefings that were

really impressive. Siri AI on the Mac can do some wild things like give it three PDFs of whatever and ask it to like give me a comparison table on these three products, let's say, or give me a summary of what all these things are about. I was experimenting with that last night, and one, I actually had to drag a PDF into the Siri AI Mac app. I couldn't just tell it, get this PDF in Finder. Maybe that's something that gets updated over time.

But to your point, of like, I'm still going to use the Claude app, one of the use cases that everybody shows off in all the Claude and OpenAI tasks, like co-work, is renaming files. And so as a can Siri AI do that. And so I I one of the things you can do in macOS 27 is select files, and when you right-click or two-finger click, There's the Ask Siri option right at the top. So you can ask Siri about the files that you have selected, which is cool. So I said, rename these files.

And they said, What would you like to rename these files to? This is my Siri conversation. I say, rename based on the contents of the image or file. And sure enough, it took the four screenshot files that I had selected and suggested names based on the content. So it has like startup disk settings, Yeah. shortcuts University, Apple, like so it came up with names based on the content. So we could do that. It said, would you like me to apply these names? I said yes. And I said, sorry,

I can't do that. And I was like, So Siri, you did it. Like you already have the names. So it it it does not seem like right now, we'll have to see over the summer that the Siri AI on the Mac is not going to be like Claude Cowork. It is going to be like Claude Cowork light, like L I T E, and like do some things maybe, but not gonna be able to take the amount of agentic action on your Mac that People might be used to. ~ all right, side note, because I want to get to parental controls.

None of these stuff, the Siri AI is not coming to the EU because of the DMA and is not coming to China. And Craig even said in the keynote, like, we're working. And one of the things Neilai said at the talk show last night is apparently Apple went to the EU and was like, listen, we will build this thing. They're like, we don't typically talk about things we're going to build, but we will spend eight, it's gonna take us 18 months. We will spend 18 months building this intermediary.

for agents on the Apple devices where third parties can interact with personal context in a safe way, only giving the information that ~ is necessary. Like we will build this if you will approve it so these features can launch in the EU. We just want to know that you'll approve it because we don't want to spend 18 months building it and then you deny it. And apparently the EU was like, mmm, I don't know. And so I was like, well, okay. So who knows? Who knows if it will come to the EU

Or to China if or Wednesday. And it's only it's English only this fall right now. So we'll see. We'll see how that goes.

All right. Parental controls, Jason. You and I use everything in screen time, all the parental control settings. One of the things that was clear yesterday in a briefing was like a couple of years ago, there was like a brand new home architecture where you have to like update all your home devices and then like go to the home arc new home architecture. That's actually how these new screen time settings work.

Come iOS 27. You'll have to up make sure all your kids devices are updated to iOS 27 and yours, and then there'll be an option to upgrade to the new screen time architecture. So this is not just you know design changes and feature additions. This is a reworking of everything behind the scenes. And that is why one of the promises is this is going to be more reliable. You know, screen time requests shouldn't just break, like being able to just access websites or whatever. So that's interesting.

And not something we'll be able to test over the summer. Like I'm not gonna put all my kids' devices on iOS twenty seven, so we'll see. But aside from that, there was a lot of rebranding of current features. And there were a lot of times where I was hearing like kids will be able to ask to, you know, ~ con you know, a new contact be added to their thing. I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's a feature now. Like a lot of these new features. Yeah, a hundred percent.

And yeah, and it seems like Apple is relaunching this because it's been dormant for so long. Like One of my ongoing jokes is my first three YouTube videos were about screen time. It's six years ago that I published those videos, and I haven't had to update them since because everything has been exactly the same. Like every screen time setting, Yeah. every menu has not changed since I made those videos six years ago. Now I will, now I will update it because it is going to be very different.

But it is a lot of rebranding of features, but then also some new things like time allowances, in addition to downtime, which are welcome additions. But JSON requests are still in messages and that kind of stinks. Yeah, that's the worst thing. Like, I don't that's the one thing everyone wants to do. That is the sort of thing. Like, I don't want the text history with my child to just be full of these requests. No, no. That's all it is. And it's like that doesn't make any sense.

I understand that from a software engineer who doesn't deal with this every day, it makes sense. But it does not make any sense that like if I open up the text, Don't do it. like it's and especially because like there are many times where our d like our for example, our oldest, she'll send us a message that she's made it somewhere. Or the or other daughter. Like and she'll send it to both my wife and I. And then also, there's a bunch of just can I have this contact in my thing?

Or can I have more time for this? Or can I do this? Or can I download this app? It's like I I don't want any of that in the conversations that I'm having with my kid. I want those in a dedicated place where I go when I want to deal with the screen time stuff. So I I feel like that is such an easy thing to conceptually fix and I don't quite understand.

It it does it is an example of one of those things where it really does feel like the people who made this are not you having to use it every day because it does feel very like, Yeah, this makes sense to an engineer. Wouldn't it be super convenient if you just got a text message and we just put it right there? And I'm like, Yeah, but then when you go back to those messages, it's just a bunch of garbage. Well and still feel like there's so much in the screen time settings.

We didn't get it. Like we got a Siri AI app before Screentime app and before GTA six. But a screen a dedicated screen time app I feel like would solve a lot of the issues. Like let notifications come through there, put all the options in there. But we didn't get that. We got a website that talks about the features. So there's that. Yeah, but also Steven, here's the thing. When your kid uses their when the screen time password is entered on a device, you get a notification.

You don't get a text message. So why in the world when they want to do something, That is tr ~ that is true. is it not just a notification? Yes. Right. But like it doesn't I don't understand. I bet you is because how it used to be is those notifications lived in like settings screen time or whatever and years passed, parents probably didn't know where those were. Like if you didn't do it from the notifications like well where do I go to get it?

More importantly, people don't have notifications on for settings, but you everyone has notifications on for messages until you get them. But it but I just feel like it there's gotta be a better solution, Steven. And and he let me ask you this. And What was your sense from the not from Apple people, but from everyone else? Because I have theory about this. Why did they spend so much time talking about screen time? So this was something Neelai also talked about yesterday was regulatory pressure.

Like age verification laws are being passed right now in certain states, like Texas requires age verification. And so it seems like maybe Apple is trying to get ahead of some of that regulatory pressure and putting these tools and maybe, you know, circumvent some of these age verification things, like not make every app send you the driver's license to verify the age. Maybe it's that. And I do think

It is a need. I think more and more parents, like I've seen a lot of parents will ask me of my kids, friends, like, how do I manage this? Like how like I've literally walked people through adding screen time and even just creating a child account. Like that is one of the big new new things in this redesign screen time is the onboarding process for a child and creating a child account like that was confusing before. And if you didn't start as a child account, Right.

it was very difficult to like make an iCloud account. I don't even think was possible. Like if you created an iCloud account for your kid before, you were up a creek. Like you couldn't, you would have to create another one for it to be a child account. Well, now you can convert those. And so I do think maybe it's just hearing from a lot of that. And I mean it's huge in the news.

I mean, if you open the news app and look at like psychology stuff, 80% of them are like kids and AI, kids and social media. And there's just a lot of that in the air. So maybe maybe it's that. But do you have a theory? Like do you think why? Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious. They just told everyone they baked AI into everything. And in order for parents to have any confidence handing this thing to their kids, they need to be able to know that they can control how things are being used.

Mm. And and and I got a little bit of pushback, like, well, I don't they didn't really tie that to the AI stuff. I'm like, no, you don't need to. But they talked about it first. They basically said, This is the safest device you can give your kid, That is true. because look, we will give you control over these things. I it is yes to see how I mean they've been saying that for a while, Mm-hmm. so we'll see if it's more effective.

We're gonna give and we're even gonna give you guidelines about how some of these things should be used. And then the next thing they talked about is and by the way, look, there's image generation. Look, there's there's all these different things. There's and there's photorealistic image generation. Right. Yes. Like I took a picture of my wife and two different pictures, one of myself, one of my wife.

And I like, make a photo of these two people sitting at a cafe in France on their first date, and it just did it. Like she didn't have any can say in that. It does do it. Yeah. I mean, my wife's fine with it, like, I'm pretty sure it's fine. But like she didn't get to like opt into that, right? And so I think that in order for once parents start to understand that Right.

you can have these kind of conversations, you can do this, in in even though I think Apple's implementation as is as responsible as any of the tech companies at this point, as far as we can tell, that doesn't matter because what people just hear are the endless number of stories of how What these AI tools are capable of. And I feel like if you're gonna hand your kid a phone that can do all that, you wanna know that you're gonna have some control.

Yeah, that's fair enough. Last thing I'll mention. 'Cause he called the section trust and safety. Right. It was trust and safety. So yeah. It wasn't like c child safety. It was trust and safety, which was interesting. No, it was that and but the big section in there was parental controls.

Yeah. Right. And one feature though, I'll th shout out though, you'll be able to temporarily open everything for your kids, like if you're on a road trip or you're traveling and you just want to let them have unlimited like screen time rather than having to mess with downtime or deal with like approvals during the entire road trip. I'm speaking from experience because I've had to deal with this many times. Yeah, it's the worst. Yes. It's the worst. You'll be able to just tap a thing and say,

unlimited access for today. And that's a very welcome feature. One of the questions I have, I hope to get answered, is when a child asks for more screen time. Right now the options are 15 minutes, an hour, or all day. I'm hoping there's additional options there, but I'm not sure. So we'll have to follow up. Well here's the I don't know, I haven't looked, but here's the optimistic take. Didn't they just make some adjustments to the to the reminder snooze ~ capability?

I think so. Wasn't Marco talking about that? did they? I don't know. ~ yeah, I don't know. So yeah. So maybe we'll get some better options. yeah, yeah. they they in Iowa's twenty six dot five, yes, there were some adjustments, yeah. I wanted to just be like how long do you want to extend this for? Just custom amount, twenty five minutes, That would be nice. Yes. Yes. seven minutes, ninety minutes, Three whatever. hours and seven minutes, exactly.

Until we get to Alaska. Just I don't want to be bothered again. Okay. All right. Quick lightning round. We talk about Vision OS features, panoramic environments is awesome. Preview notifications just by looking at them. ~ Apple TV, notably Apple TV and HomePod, nothing. Silence. Even on the page on Apple's website where you can like click the different OSs. TV OS is not even highlighted. Like it doesn't even have a page to see like what's new.

But Apple TV is getting a new Apple Podcast app that will have video. And I did a little short on this. The podcast app in iowa 27. Chapters are coming back for video shows and follow-along transcripts and time links. A small golf clap, thank you. I just no, I would clap louder but my microphone's right here, so your microphone's there. I'm imagining everyone in the room is clapping, but anyway. So that's coming back. That is a very welcome feature. And macOS podcast app will have video as well.

But other things we did not get, and I did ask about this, HomePod, it's not gonna have Siri AI. So you're not gonna be able to do any of the requests of Siri AI, even like real-world requests. You'll not be able to do that with a home pod, unfortunate. again, no home pod with the screen, no hardware this year, like zero hardware announcements at at the keynote. And also ~ no claud integration. You know, one of the rumors was like, you know, ChatGPT is still in there in the settings.

And the settings are now weird. Like Apple intelligence used to be a settings wh pane, and now it's just Siri. And inside the Siri pane, like way at the bottom, it's like shadowed off. The text is kind of blurry. It says log in with ChatGPT. Like it's like, I'm just kidding, Yeah. it's not really all like that. But it's very much like pushed to the side. And it's clear, I think Apple is not wanting to push on that like third-party integration thing. And so Anthropic's not an option.

And the ChatGPT thing is like, I guess if you want to do that, but it's not, it's not pushed at all. There was can I say one thing that I thought was I thought was very cool? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I Steven, I'm on the record. I've said this many, many, many, many, many, many, many times. That the single best device for AI is what? Yes. Yes, and what can you now do? Well and the a and you The Apple Watch. That's it. Serie AI on the watch. That's it.

can also build apps that have access to private cloud compute. I missed that and that is amazing. I'm pr I'm almost positive that that's That is amazing. true. I'm gonna s there was a like a screenshot where they saw where did I see it? Hold on. You keep talking, I'll find it. All right. But yes, you can do that. You can send requests from your watch now and I believe that they will go they can take advantage private clock compute because the watch can't load all those models. That's amazing.

That's amazing. All right. We only have a few minutes.

I want to record a quick bonus episode about my John Turner selfie, but personal tech. I first finally got to use my Ubiquity travel router in the hotel room. And I just have to say it is amazing. ~ I plugged it in. It's my home network. So plugging it into the Ethernet in the hotel room, all my Apple devices are just immediately connected to the Wi-Fi. Have not dealt or seen a cap. Just you know, a captive window for the hotel.

Like put your room number in. I have not had to deal with that all week. The speed is great. Yes, it's only Wi-Fi 5, but it's still great. And the unified teleport feature is like a built-in VPN. So I can turn that on on the router, and then all my devices will appear as though they're on my home network. I can access my network attached storage, screen sharing, like it is amazing.

And the speeds are great. Like I'm getting a hundred the hotel connection is a hundred megabits up and down, which you know it's a little slower than my home seven gig internet, Ha ha. but you know, what what can you do? but I'm getting like 90 something on the Wi-Fi. I've been able to upload YouTube videos. It's been great. I cannot say enough good things about it. Unfortunately, out of stock right now.

And if you look on Amazon, there's like a grifter, like double the price for the unified travel router. But if you travel at all often, like Jason, you should get one of these. It's amazing. I don't know if you care, Really? How much am I gonna have to spend? but it's still it's 75 bucks. 75 bucks. Okay. All right. And it's got two Ethernet ports. So like when I record MacPower users later in my hotel room, I'm gonna connect my MacBook Air via Ethernet. So there you go.

I don't even have two Ethernet cables, but I could probably buy those. That's pretty easy. Can I tell you real quick, I think I killed one of the USB C ports on my MacBook Air because whenever I plug something into it, nothing happens. My SSD, I can't even charge from it. And I think it's because I filmed a stupid pool robot vacuum sponsored video and I use my iPhone to film underwater because I had to get underwater shots.

And before I let it dry all the way, I tried connecting a USB-C cable from my iPhone to my Mac to like transfer it video. And then I it didn't work. And so I flipped the cable around, used a couple cables, and I think I killed that one port with some water damage. So that's unfortunate. Yeah. Good. Mm. I just wanna be clear, I was right. I did find it. It w I I was watching a session. I was well listen, this is the session I cared about, Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

which was built with the new Apple Foundation model on private cloud compute and the watch is included in there. So I just wanna we should put that as a poll quote. I just wanna stay for the record, I am right. Whatever you just said. That was pretty good. I think I text Steven all the time and I'm like, I think I'm right and you're like, I think we're Yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, I know you do. I know you think you're right. Exactly.

We didn't get to talk a lot about shortcuts in the main episode, but I did a whole video on it. I have like I think 18 videos on the channel from this week. So we'll put some of those, we'll put Jason's article, and we're gonna go record a bonus episode because I gotta take a selfie with Apple's forthcoming CEO. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you next time.