Sara Dietschy on AI, iOS 26 is Less Glassy, Meta Poaches Apple AI Models Exec

They call me mister Glass. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Apple dialed back its liquid glass design in the latest beta, so we're gonna get into that. Is the f one movie that good? It's making a lot at the box office. Blue Sky is trying really hard to be exed and a ton more. Plus, we have a very special guest. This episode is brought to you by Agency and 1Password. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, joined as always by Jason. How's it going, Jason?

It's good. It's very good. Have to turn the air conditioning off.

Alright. I'm a cut you off immediately because we have a very special guest we have to get.

I know you didn't really wanna know, so I just figured No.

I didn't really know. I just, you know, was trying to be cursed.

This is my only moment. I figured I'd stretch it out as long as

I could. That was it. You can now, you can step away from the mic because we very special guest, Sarah Dietschy Rhymes with Peachy. Sarah, thanks so much for being here.

Thank you for having me. Getting back into the Internet world. So I'm so excited.

Yes. I've been a longtime fan of your YouTube work, and then my teenage son inadvertently became a fan of John Hill's skateboard videos. Yep. And we made that connection. And deep cut, I actually have the book.

Oh my gosh. I hold on. Can I take a picture

of that? Yeah. We are recording, just so you know. I mean, this is

Oh my gosh. I'm gonna send it immediately to John. Okay. He's gonna be so happy because both of us are kind of trying new things in our life right now, career wise. And so he has actually gone very deep in that and you'll be happy to know that he has a four book box set coming out. So he went from one book to four books in like only a few months.

That's awesome.

So thank you for supporting. That means so much.

Of course, super exciting, written and illustrated by John Hill. It says it right there on the cover. And lots of little fun guys on the back. He drew all these, Like, came up with them?

Yep. Yep. Yep.

That's super fun. Did you enjoy the book? Of course. No. I did enjoy the book.

Been the brave merchant.

When you have three kids, it's it's helpful to, you know, figure out words for emotions and learn how to communicate about it. And so I was excited for for his series. So I'll be getting the new ones too. So, yeah. Oh my gosh. Very cool.

He's gonna be so happy.

Did you happen to know the movie quote at the beginning? They call me mister glass. Do have any idea what that is? Not at all. Not at all. Jason, you know,

do you I don't know

the name

of the movie, but I think it's the M. Night Shyamalan sequel to Unbreakable. Right? Because that's mister Glass.

That's very

Mister Glass. It's it's it's the second one. Right? It's not Unbreakable. Is it is it what's it called?

No. No. Says it at the end of the first one.

Unbreakable. Got it.

Yeah. Because then you have split and then you have like Someone called you. I'll just I like superhero stuff. And so, you know, Mr. Glass, Liquid Glass. I felt like it was appropriate. But Mhmm. Anyway, we wanted to do some quick five star review shout outs. So many of you are dumping five star reviews all over the world. Thank you to desperately try to get us back up to a five star show. We're a 4.9 star show, Sarah, and I don't know how many it's gonna take.

Why did I come on?

Wow. This is why, ladies and gentlemen, this is why we need five stars. But thank you for the five star reviews. Asim0508 from The USA loves the podcast. No names available anymore from The USA. Go to username. Said a hotdog is a sandwich. I don't know if we have time to get into that. Sarah, is a hotdog a sandwich? What's your hot take?

Yes.

Alright. Well, the show's over. Mac McAngew from The USA, thank you for that. Trick two zero two from The UK, loves the show. This was another question, a preference question. Three finger drag on Mac, our thoughts, which I think is a setting, like, for the trackpad. What do you guys do? No.

No? Isn't that just to swipe between spaces?

No. It's to, like, drag a to move a window around. You can do a three fingers on the trackpad, like, on the

If you have to explain if you if you have to explain it, it's no.

I mean, I use it to, yeah, swipe up to see

my windows Sure. Beyond that.

Yeah. On a Mac? If I I'm doing it right now and it's swiping between spaces.

You have to you have to enable it, Jason. You know

what's crazy? I don't think I've used spaces in, like, five years.

Really?

Yeah. I also didn't either until just now, but when I swiped it opened into another space.

Yeah. So I didn't even my brain didn't even go to spaces. I used to use it all the time. I just minimize stuff and I don't know.

I don't even use

spaces anymore. Forgot that was a thing. We have a bunch of asinine preferences we ask our listeners and viewers about. And so Spaces, yes or no listeners. You can leave your five star rating review this week. I use Spaces all the time. I'm using it right now because I have like all of our podcast. Like I have Notion, Riverside, and my Safari tab group in one space, and then I have all my other junk in another space all the time. I have

a question, Steven.

Yes, please.

How did you end up to be the face of Riverside?

I work for Riverside full time, full disclosure.

Do you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's I didn't know that.

Yeah. Just you just thought you had the best sponsorship promotional deal in the history of the world. Somehow. Yeah.

No. I literally Yeah. Just see you as a fellow YouTuber.

Well, thank you.

Oh my gosh. I had no idea. Were were you there from the beginning?

I wasn't so I actually just crossed three years working for Riverside. I had a whole life before YouTube, lots of other jobs. And I transitioned and I applied for Riverside. I had just started little videos on my personal YouTube channel. It was not big at all, but they hired me. And so I make videos for them, and then on my personal channel.

Dang. I didn't even know that. Well, okay. I don't wanna derail this, but I just made my first, like, course type thing. It's called studio setup. Oh. Very expensive URL. And Riverside has a module in my, little course when it comes to remote podcasting.

Oh my well, that's great to hear. They they would love they'll love to hear that. I'll send this little clip over to them. Perfect. They'll be very happy

about send you a code to

check. Oh, yeah, great. Wait, so did you get .com? You got that domain.com?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Listen, this is gonna be a little bit of a scattershot episode. I'm just letting everybody know because we're taking a lot of rabbit trails. How many domains do you have unused

Oh my gosh.

You wait. First of all, where where do you have them? Where do you get all your domains?

I'm a GoDaddy girl. Okay? I know that's painfully millennial. Yeah. But I think all the cool kids now use Namecheap. I didn't even know

that was

a thing or a cheap name or something.

Oh, Namecheap is a thing, but like both of those are terrible. I don't know why. Well, what do you use? Hover. Hover.com. Yeah. I've never heard of that. Are you kidding me? My life. Are you kidding me? I've never

heard of Hover. I have never heard of I'm telling you. What? Something works. You know, you just stick with it. I think domains are one of those things where once you're on one, you're not gonna transfer your domains to another place, you know?

I I grossly misunderestimated. I don't even know what I'm saying, but I I understand.

Steven is this is Steven's trauma response right now. Just let you know.

Yeah. That's a just shut down. I don't even know.

Studio setup is my second most expensive domain.

My

first most expensive domain that I still have but I want to sell it, I never did anything with it. I bought it like twelve years ago. Musichustle.com.

Music hustle.

This was before Epidemic Sound, Artlist, and I was someone just like living in Nashville, making music videos, doing wedding wedding films and stuff. And I was like, someone really needs to figure out this music licensing for, you know, YouTube videos and stuff. But, you know, ideas matter. It's if you

actually do it.

Someone needs to. It's not gonna be me, but someone needs to do this.

And they did. They did.

Shout out to Epidemic and Arlis. But yeah. So if anyone wants to buy that domain, I'll give it to them for $5,000.

$5,000. I looked up primarytechnology dot com is $5,000 which I'm not buying. But this one of the reasons Choosing a domain name is difficult. I have myname.com. You have sarahdicci.com,

Right? Yeah. Yeah. I have sarah peachy. I have sarahdicci with an h. I probably have like 30 domains, 30 or 40. So not terrible.

That's not terrible. I I probably am guilty of more. I I also got weird ones. Like, I always wanted a short domain for my main website, so I got, like, steven.one, which I don't even know if I pay for anymore. But

But .one, you know?

Dotone. But also, Steven Stephen Curry ruined it for me because now people don't assume it's a p h. And so my website is beard.fm because nobody

That's sick. I like that. No. I like that. Okay. People a little Jason.

No. We're good because Steven and I just had this conversation. I texted Steven in the last week because I was buying domains. I don't spend $5,000 on domains, so I'm not buying yours. I'm sorry. And my question was, if you had a domain that was going to be two words together and putting a hyphen between them was, like, $13 and not putting a hyphen between them is, like, $1,300, would you buy the non hyphen one? And I did not. Yes. I did not. See,

I am I am so opinionated about this because I feel like branding is everything. Think it's better to have even, so I had a like a content studio out here in Texas for like two years, and it was called Blanco, and of course blanco.com isn't gonna be available. But book Blanco was, and book that has to do with booking a space. Bookblanco.com. It's easy to say, it's easy to type, and it's a .com.

AI something.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Man, you know what's crazy? I have so many opinions about domains. We should probably move on. Could talk about this for the whole podcast.

We'll leave it. Once I can log into my Hovered account, we'll return to domains. But we have one more five star review. Shout out. He's still on this.

Oh my gosh.

Tim Loeser from The USA. He joined during the Gruber episode, follows a lot of tech shows, but is now a member of ours. So thank you for that. Very cool. Sarah, did you see f one yet?

I didn't. And I saw that on the thing, and I am a fan of f one, so I can't wait to see the actual movie. But with a 17 old who doesn't sleep right now, you know, I have so much work to get done that I literally finding three hours to go to a movie theater just seems impossible right now. I don't know how people do it.

It is impossible. I mean, when my kids were little, I didn't go to the movies probably for like three or four years. Yeah, yeah. And this is the last time I'll say this. I got to see it in the Steve Jobs Theater because I was at Dub Dub. The last time I ever sang it. Sorry, I apologize. Jason, you haven't seen this yet, right? No. You still haven't seen it?

I mean, I've been to the Steve Jobs Theater, but they didn't let me watch the movie, so

Yeah, they don't let you watch that. I was not a fan. I mean, I didn't really follow F1, even though the entire tech world got into it. But I just wanted to say, apparently, F1 is doing well. It's got $293,000,000 at the box office. It's still not made enough to be profitable. Apparently, it was $250,000,000 to produce, 100,000,000 more to market. Of course, didn't

Boy, did they market it. Oh my god.

They didn't have to pay for those They push didn't have to pay for that wallet ad. But anyway, so it'll probably be profitable in the next couple of weeks, but it's doing well. It almost got me into f one almost. I started watching Drive to Survive. Did you watch that Netflix show, Sarah? Yeah.

That was my gateway.

That was the gateway? Yeah.

They got really lucky in that when everyone got into it, it was the most dramatic season ever, you know? And then it was followed up by, like, just kinda Max winning every race, and so I think it lost people. But this season's actually pretty good. So again, with Baby, I can't sit there and watch full races, but I catch the recaps on YouTube, which is so lame.

But I caught a few of

the races in the beginning of the year, and it's really it's good season.

I do something even lamer. I mean, I just see the live activity on my phone every race, and I'm like, oh, there's a race. And I the only name I recognize is Max Verstappen because I've only seen the first two seasons of the Netflix show. So I'm like, oh, there he is. Okay. Yeah. Cool.

Yeah. No. It's getting interesting now because Red Bull, you know, they're not just dominating. So, there are interesting things happening. But for some reason, I feel like I need to see the movie just because everyone keeps talking about it and they like it.

Oh, Dakota Johnson.

Captain America. Yeah.

Chris Evans. I'm probably gonna

have to go see F1 for the culture.

I have seen way more junket interviews with Dakota Johnson Pedro Pascal than I have of Brad Pitt. But the movie was good. It's not, like, life changing. It's it's the best of, like, Napoleon and Killers of the Flower Moon, Sun, whatever that movie was. It's the best of those. But

I haven't watched any of the Apple TV movies. The shows are great. I've watched several of the shows. But

But you didn't watch The Gorge? I did. You didn't watch The Gorge.

What is

The Gorge? What is Gorge?

It's What's her name from the queen? Right? And Anna Taylor

Queen's Gambit.

What's her name? Anna Taylor something something. Joy. Joy. You. And what's the

Oh, I thought that was a TV show.

No. No. No. That's a movie. That was

a movie. It's actually three movies, two of which are good. But there is a movie in the middle that's not very good.

It's it's complicated. It's very complicated. It's, that one was fine. There was also it's the new one with, John Krasinski and Natalie Portman, the, national treasure, but not. It the Oh, what is that?

I'm telling you, okay, with the whole me having a baby and this life podcast is gonna be y'all being like, did you hear about this?

I'm gonna be like, no way. Sarah, have you heard about iOS 26? Do you know?

Yes, I have.

Okay. Good. Good. Good. We're gonna do that next. Yeah. Fountain of Youth. The Fountain of Youth. That's with John Krasinski, Natalie Portman. It looks mediocre at best, but anyway, that's that's another movie. I

like those actors, though.

Same. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Love the actors. So anyway, they're doing movies. We'll see.

Oh, my god. 35% on Rotten Tomatoes. Oh, no.

That's what I'm saying. Mediocritics.

35 from the critics, but 39 from the people. Listen. Usually, that popcorn score is so much better. That's bad.

Typically. Typically. The people who don't know any better usually give it better ratings than the people who do.

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Anyway, I haven't seen the yet either. Do you all another random question. I'm not typically this rabbit trailie, but I don't know. Maybe I'm being influenced.

You sorry. ADHD me.

Do you have a Vision Pro? Do you have an Apple Vision Pro?

So my last Apple event that I was ever invited to was the Vision Pro event.

Oh, you were there with Jason? Jason was there too. That's true. Who that dub dubbed here?

And I knew I was like, this is the most revolutionary amazing tech that no one is gonna use. And I think I alluded to that in the video a little bit, and so maybe they were like, we've been fighting Sarah, for a while. We don't need to invite her back. But so no. I don't I don't have one,

but Okay.

It's incredible. But also who needs it? You know?

Jason did not buy one.

I did not buy one. He

has a review unit.

I still have a review unit.

Right.

But I use it every day. I'm like really milking that review unit. I use it for computer things. I don't use it for entertainment like Steven does, and I refuse to wear it on a plane. And but I do use it for, like that's how I do research. I read. I do a lot of that stuff because I like having all of the different things around.

And Worst pixel density of any Apple device you have, but

Oh, that might be debatable. Actually, I have some holes. I got a non retina MacBook Air sitting behind me. No. I like using it mostly so that I can keep telling Steven I use it every day.

Right. Right. I put it on whenever there's new immersive content, and then that's it, I think, pretty much. Because, like, I don't know. TV's easy enough to turn on, I guess.

They're gonna have to do it. They're gonna something has to change.

Yeah.

You know? They dropped the ball so hard. They had one job to do and they focused on the dumb vision pro.

No. They they focused on image they focused on image playgrounds instead of this, which is basically the same point, but still.

Which is now but now powered by ChatGPT anyway. Like, image playgrounds are now useful because you could generate ChatGPT images.

No. What you mean is you can actually generate images and not just weird caricatures of things that you don't care Right.

It's tough. I mean, I guess it looks more and more like Apple's going to look to OpenAI or Anthropic for the models. I still don't see, like, the long term future. I don't know. I don't know. I don't see the long term vision yet. But and Craig Federighi, like, just took over that again, like, a few months ago. So anyway Well,

he took over the theory part. I'm sorry.

One Wish them of the things we've been talking about the last few weeks is AI and media literacy. And last week, Sarah, we talked about John Oliver's segment about AI slop. And he showed clips of people being fooled by it. And I am increasingly leery of the hyper realistic AI videos that people are falling for. And so I'm just curious, in your experiences, maybe with family members and friends, Sarah, do you see people, like, being fooled by AI?

Yeah. Totally. And it's interesting because I have a very tech literate father, boomer father.

Mhmm.

And he's on Twitter and stuff. But what's been the most shocking is, yes, I'll have the classic, like, he'll show me a video and I'll be like, dad, that's AI. Can you not tell that's AI? I've had a little bit of I've had a little, of that. But the most shocking thing is he literally watches AI videos, like, knowing their AI.

I kinda wanna see that now that you mention it.

Yeah. Know. It's it's it's entertaining. But I've never, like, sat there and watched a ten minute AI video. Nothing nothing a part of me is excited about that. Right? So I think that's the most shocking part is it's like, okay, will the younger generation be so averse to that? But it's all the older generation that's like, ah, this is fine.

Do you think don't know. As a creator, I'm gonna show it again, but someone deepfaked me on TikTok, and there's like a clip of me looking I don't know. Have you ever had any deepfakes, or do you think about that?

Yeah. I've had even pre AI, I've had, you know, thumbnails of me holding up an iPhone being used for like iPhone repair shops and like we've had to, you know, report it on Facebook. And so it's always been a thing. It's only gonna get worse on AI and, you know, I don't wanna sound cliche, but I do think this is where, like, the blockchain can actually be helpful. There is going to have to be a way where you have to verify the content that you're actually putting out.

Two, three years from now, I feel like it's gonna be indistinguishable, and that's gonna be tough. Yeah. But Yeah. Anyway, I have 38 domains. I just finally I finally logged in.

You know what? Let me get the actual number for you.

That's all I'm throwing out there.

Because this is the important stuff.

That's the important What people came for. You know? As you do that Honestly Yeah. Go ahead. No.

Go ahead. I hate GoDaddy's interface.

Yes. It's the worst. It really is.

Because they force you, they make you wanna use their website builder. So every time you go to the website, you have to click through like four different things. Okay, here we go. Interesting, I only have 30.

Really?

So thirty and thirty eight. There you go.

Okay. Scrolling through. I have like

I wanna hear some of yours. Let me hear some of yours.

All right. Let's hear some. I was gonna share my screen, but I don't know if I'm so one, I'm actually I'm really proud of, and I'll just give this idea out there because I don't if I'll ever get to it. I wanted to do a podcast that was like Apple trivia, almost like a Jeopardy style, but all Apple. And so I actually got appletrivia.com.

Oh, nice.

So I have that. I don't know if that'll ever go anywhere. Interesting. I have all my kids'names.com.

Same.

Yeah. Same. Jason, do you do that? Do you buy your kids' names? No.

They can fend for themselves. That's fine.

So wow. Okay. I thought I would be a drone photographer and have a social media account on that. So I have and I used to live in a city called Lakeland in Florida. So I have lakelandsky.com. That's pretty good.

Love it.

Pretty good. And the last one I'll share. I thought I might have a digital media company, like digital advertising. And I was trying to be cool with, what does my last name mean plus studio? So I have oaktreepixels.com because that's what my last name means. I'm pixels.

Oaktreepixels.know?dotcom.

Thought that was good. I don't

know about that one.

Don't know about that one.

Look. Or what's the

one you're any you care to reveal

over I'll I'll talk about the ones that people can buy.

The ones that she has for sale.

I'm just gonna auction. Okay. Very good.

Yeah. Sure. This one's a good one. Scoutingspace.com.

Getting space. Okay. Sure. Is that like

a Blue Origin competitor or something? You're like going out there looking for

Oh, yeah. It could be space.

Like like

A realtor?

Finding creative studios near you.

Oh, yeah. That's a good you even have taglines for these, I bet, in your head.

Yeah. Know. Yeah. I mean, it's all honestly, a lot of these are, like personal stuff, like for some reason, like Peachy Enterprises, Sarah List, yeah, random stuff. There's

What's another one you want?

Hustle and Y, that was a thing in New I don't even do that anymore. As you can tell, word hustle

Got a lot of hustle.

Was cool back in 2016. I know it's cringe now, but it was super cool.

I like the accent. What's another one you wanna auction Okay.

A recent one. Yeah. I don't know if I'll ever I won't do anything with it, but lastmilecoder.com. Cause I was like, someone needs to start a service where you can just ship off your vibe coded projects to actual programmers and they set up authentication and payments and stuff.

Okay. Okay.

Last Mile Coder AI. But, you know, whatever. It's so buy these domains at 2AM when you think you're a genius and then you wake up and you're like, uh-huh. Yes. I don't know about this.

But That is why I don't have that many domains because I am never awake at 2AM. Yeah.

Not once. The YouTubers, we're

awake. Never.

We're like

We're awake.

What business should I start?

Because because I have studio, you know, have studiosetup.com. I also have studioinspo.com. This is gonna be my first vibe coded project I put out there.

That's good.

It's gonna it's so niche. It's so dumb, but I'm not gonna charge people. There's gonna be no users, so there's no pressure. It's going to be

Great business model.

Yeah. No. It's literally just for fun. It's just gonna be like Pinterest for a roll setups. You know?

That's good.

Maybe Riverside wants to sponsor it.

The no users thing is really appealing to them, I hear.

Yeah. No user base.

But I set up studios all the time. Right?

Sure.

And I go to places like Pinterest and stuff or Instagram to see what other people's like a roll looks like, but there's really not a lot out there. So you end up just on YouTube scrolling through people's sets. Right. But kidding me, I'm doing a podcast.

Very good. Alright. Well, thank thank you for sharing those. Yeah. Set up what was it again? What's setup? Setup inspo?

Studio setup. Oh, inspo.com.

Coming to

a webpage near you.

We'll be on the lookout. We'll be on

the lookout. Yeah.

All right. Apple dialed back the glass. We now have iOS 26 frosted glass. Some have called it iOS 26 plastic instead of the actual transparent glass. You know, people are saying this is in response to all the YouTube and the Twitter commentary about how it's difficult to read.

Yeah. App just Apple as a whole. I have so many opinions about the past few years, so I don't wanna come off as usually I've been very positive about Apple. Oh, yeah. Because, you know, they're they're Apple silicon and the Mac team has just been like

You switched back to MacBook Pro. So Yeah.

Yeah. Exactly. I was on Windows machines for, like, eight years. Right. And so but, yeah, every everyone else is just failing miserably, I feel like. And listen, the glass is cool, but the readability isn't there. So I feel like it's a very un Apple thing to just, like, do something for the fun, but then you actually make the product worse. Like, what the heck is that?

There's so much more Apple does have a history of that, I would say.

I guess, but at the core, it's all about like, customer experience. Like, I would say their design, even though, of course, it's beautiful. Sure. I would say it's more user friendly than Windows. And so I would say at the core of their products, it's always, like, usability. And so, I'm kinda glad they rolled it back a little bit. I think the glass looks cool, but the moment it gets in the way of actually reading text on your phone, like, what are you doing? You know?

Yeah, mean, the Apple Music example really shows, if you were trying to read what was now playing, that would be distracting depending on what was behind it. But a lot of people said they should do a slider. And technically, there was an accessibility setting even now where you can really turn off the glass part, and it would kind of be opaque how it is now by default. I don't think Apple would ever do a slider to choose how transparent you want things. Although, there was one for the menu bar for a while on the Mac.

I didn't know this happened until just now, so I'm installing beta three on my iPhone. Thank you. I did see a quote or a tweet or some post on some website from I think it was Parker Ordalani who was, like, seemed very disappointed that they would, like, commit not commit to this. I can't remember. I don't wanna give credit to the wrong person because I don't even remember what they said.

He no. No. Part it was Parker. And he said it was a little you know, to just go based off the feedback on social media and to roll it back before it even goes public might have been a little

Cowardly? No. That's not the word you used. I'm sorry.

No. I didn't say that.

But I do have a I'm curious what you both think. I feel like this is not a characteristically Apple thing to do. They did it with Safari a couple of years ago, where they got a lot of negative feedback and they changed it. But I feel like there is this experience that we've all had as parents, right, where there comes a point in time where your kid just won't go to sleep without, like, you holding them, and then you have to figure out how do I lay the kid in a bed and get them to stay asleep. And it doesn't work.

But you know what they're doing now? They're saying, come in bed with me. Come to the adult bed. We're just gonna sleep

That's what the parents are Oh my god. Not Apple. I was just clarifying the metaphor. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to clarify. Yeah. Yeah. But my point okay. So that's that's another

because that's what we do at home.

Whole other analogy then. Okay. But my point is, like, Apple used to just commit to a decision that even that was unpopular. And eventually, people did just get over most of the things. Right?

I think it's because they're following the monstrosity that was iOS 18. I used to be a proper tech YouTuber and I still have iOS 17 on my phone. Like that's

Really? Why?

Have not because of the photos app.

Yeah. They've been

messing with too

much they stuff to fixed

the photos app. Photos app went back. They fixed the photos app. So iOS 26 will be good. It'll be fine.

Exactly. So I will up I will update I to iOS 20

feel like they I don't know. I mean, to call it liquid glass and then nothing is glassy, it does feel like the entire main part of Dub Dub. Like, there was a whole glass section before they ever talked about any the operating systems, and now it's not glass. It's just it's different shapes. Everything is really round. But

Are there other examples?

If you I mean, it's those are the podcast.

It's basically the reduced transparency accessibility feature now applied

as in the cloud. I think they should have waited. And I will, again, remind people iOS seven did change drastically. It was like Helvetica ultra, ultra thin on, like, the first beta, and then it got thicker throughout some of the betas. But I feel like they shouldn't have gone this far this soon. Like, maybe wait till the public beta comes out and get more feedback. It also feels strange. Like, I don't think Apple I don't know. I don't wanna get into, like, what they used to

do. Steven, nobody was going to switch to Android because of this. Right. No one was going to stop using an iPhone because of this feature. I I mean, maybe some people, but I don't think anyone was really going to switch to it. So that means I mean, I'm inclined to think they must have just decided they went too far. Right? Because they weren't afraid people were gonna leave because, again, no one's no one's switching to Android over Glass.

I don't know. It's fine. I mean, whatever. I don't know.

Honestly though, whatever. That's the problem. We're starting to not care, you know?

I mean

That's a problem, I think, for Apple. Because for me, again, I didn't even buy the last iPhone.

Are you are you still on the the 15?

Yeah. If the most tech excited people are waiting a little bit, not just for software, but hardware, you know, I feel like they're in trouble a little bit. Or it's just a changing landscape. Again, people are caring less about smartphones as a whole, I think, because, hey, we've reached, as Marques says, right, peak smartphone, but

Right.

You know.

I I do think that there's the AI thing we've talked about caught him off guard. No Like, one thought CHGPT was gonna be as popular as it was. And so there was probably some scrambling for that dumb car project, which went on for a decade. It was probably a waste of time. VisionPro, they probably needed to do, even if anything, just to get towards the AR glasses future that everyone thinks is gonna happen.

No. He's been I mean, he has been the head of their like, the software design.

But there's not been a major redesign since he's taken over.

I mean, he's the one that ruined the Photos app. I I mean

Fair point. Okay.

And he was in the keynote to was it was it that scary fast Mac event or was it an iPhone event where he was like he was no. It was an iPhone event where he

The Dynamic Island.

Yeah. You're right. He's the the Dynamic Island. So he's, like, clearly behind this stuff.

Goated feature.

Yeah. Dynamic Island is great. Yeah.

Yeah. Amazing.

Yeah. Wise on that too. People make

There's a nice thing to say about yeah.

Nice thing. People make entire videos about Dynamic Island. Yeah. No. No. It's great. Yeah. It's great.

Live update, like, what's it called?

Live activities.

Live activities. Activities.

Steven's entire sporting exposure is just the dynamic

Live activities. Yes. That's exactly right. Most sports I've exposed to.

You know, I have a question.

Yes, please.

Because Steven, you make so many videos about shortcuts.

I do.

And it seems like there are so many actually interesting use cases for Mhmm. Shortcuts now with AI and and things. Why do people still not care about shortcuts? Like, because because even as even as someone who I I dove into it like years ago, and I had, you know, Matthew on my podcast and stuff. Yeah.

It is still, I think, a step too far for most people. It still feels too much like programming. And the only reason I can make so many videos is because people ask for very slightly different shortcuts than other people. A lot of the shortcuts I make are just slight variations of ones other people have asked for.

And it's the slightly more nerdy people that are just, like, really excited to get into this stuff. And so there's Yeah. There's definitely, like, passion for it in a small group of people. Just wonder when it's gonna get bigger.

Think there's a large group that's passionate about it, but the large group just wants to be able to click a link and download the shortcut and then use it. And then the smaller group is one that actually wants to build it. And so thankfully, I can appeal to both because I can build it and then just give people a link to download it, and it hits them both. But it is like you have to be able to work it into your workflows. If it's not something that you will use regularly, it's hard to realize the value.

What are some of those favorites that you have that do save actual hours?

So the the Primary Tech Daily Show, which is Monday through Friday, if you support the show, you get that podcast. I do the top five articles, like, just top five news stories. And so I have one shortcut that pulls from, like, seven different RSS feeds from the news websites that I follow. And the shortcut basically brings up choose from menu options to say, what are the articles that you wanna choose? So I'll check a couple articles.

That's cool.

Anyway, I like shortcuts. They're pretty cool. Let's take a break and thank our friends at 1Password. Now I've worked jobs in the past where I had to manage many devices for people on staff, both MacBooks, iPads, and iPhones. And I know that when you lock devices down to keep them quote unquote secure, it can be frustrating for employees that can't get their work done with the devices that they were, quote, unquote, given.

What's that?

Don't give me that. You know what that is. You know what that is. And then, well, this is gonna be my next question to you. So Blue Sky added notifications for accounts. So like on X, many people would follow accounts for earthquake alerts or whatever. Well, now you can get notified when just an account posts at all. So they're trying to encourage accounts that do these kind of live updates or news updates to do it. Mastathon is also trying really hard to still Exist. Do things to exist.

I've I've always been a Twitter degen, and I always will be.

What is that? What is the word you just said?

Just a degenerate. Just

Oh, oh, didn't I've never heard that abbreviated.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's one of those things that like Yeah. No matter how much Elon destroys the platform

Sure, sure.

I'm just still gonna be tweeting. I don't know.

It's Never threads? You didn't go over to threads?

I did for a little bit, and that actually got more, like, annoying and toxic than Twitter did. I mean, threads is awful, actually. It is. Do weird. Do a fantastic job. Like I'll acknowledge that threads actually exist because they're doing a good job. Blue Sky, who's actually on Blue Sky?

Don't know.

Don't know.

Know. Threads will stay on your following feed. Like, just keep And threads on my following

this is the thing.

This is the

Their algorithm is exactly the way their Reels algorithm works. And it tries to find you the most like Yeah. It's not even the most shocking content.

It's rage based.

It's the content that like cuts to your specific core, you

know? Right.

So the only stuff I see from it is literally just like, you know, a parenting

Buy this domain from GoDaddy? That

Exactly. No. But, like, literally, by the second sentence in the thread, I'll I'll be like, oh, I need to make a video about this. This is so insane. This person is great. And I'm like, wait. What am I what am I doing? And then I'll swipe and it'll be something about YouTubers. And then I'll swipe and it'll be something about just something that, Yeah. Just really cuts you, and it's not I don't find that productive.

That's a terrible word. It is. Posting.

Yeah. And no one's actually doing it for fun or because they feel like they want to. It's, oh, I need to to get clicks to sell something.

I feel so ugh. I'm so torn about it all because I still have four social media apps open on my computer at all times, which is insane. I have Threads, X, Mastodon, and Blue Sky just all open all the time, and I'll cross post on everything. And, like, people respond. Like, there's people out there. There's people out there on those platforms. But, Jason, what Jason, you're on on three out of four.

I mean, here's the thing. I wanna just pick up on what Sarah was saying and be clear. Threads is good at two things. It's good at showing you posts you don't care about from threads in your Instagram feed, which is super annoying. Sure. And then when you post things on threads, it's super good at showing your posts to people who are getting mad about your post and then reply to your post about how mad they are that you've posted a thing. But Jesus is the who's Exactly. It's like Why don't

why so why do they not show these threads to people

who It's like, here's the thing. We could show this to the people who follow you, who presumably like you, but instead we'll show it to a bunch of people who are gonna be pissed off that you wrote this, and then they will all reply. I don't understand how that math works.

Well, because people who like it will just literally like it, and then people who disagree will comment. And comment is more engagement than alike.

But they aren't showing it to the people who said, I wanna follow this person. And instead, they just show it to wrestling. Steven, I had a post. I I I wrote when I wrote that or when I went to the Airbnb event and wrote about it, like, that that thread got a 100 or 465,000 views. There was not a single response to that that was like, oh, this seems cool. It was all like, you know Airbnb is killing the world. I'm like, well,

then just don't respond. Why is thread showing it to these people?

Honestly, that something too is the people on there, and I'm sure there's good people on there, the majority of them are very insufferable. Like, I know the majority of everything can be bad and is bad, but like, you know, can we just have some corners of the Internet where we can be a little bit positive or excited about things? You know?

I don't I don't know what jujitsu I have done because I do not get those kinds of comments. Like That's good.

Most do not get good engagement.

I do. I get replies. You can go on my threads.

Okay. Because I feel like it's with Twitter too, the only thing that gets a lot of traction is if I, like, trigger people. And so when I'm just, tweeting about random stuff and getting, you know, 20 likes per tweet and, five comments, life is good. But the moment if I'm like, oh, this is gonna If

something pops viral, it goes it goes south. I'll give you that.

Like But it's

I've had a couple just Yeah.

Bizarre. Like, I wrote this story and posted it on threads about how I typed stuff into Chad GPT and it saved my life. And, like, the people that responded are like, you know you're boiling the ocean. I'm like, I don't care. I'll still be here to see it. Like, whatever. Yeah.

I don't know what well, they know you'll react to trolls, though. That's the problem. Because you, like, retweet your trolls and posts.

Oh, that's true. Do I do my best to

You can't just leave them alone.

Found you. I found you on the Internet now,

and I'm just gonna Don't ex just leave them alone. Just block them. Just block them anyway. I wanna talk about some of your your Mac and AI workflow stuff. But before we do, last kinda newsy thing.

I could care less about a thin iPhone. Honestly, this is why I kinda stopped making, like, the straightforward tech videos is for some reason, I just I can't get excited about this stuff as much as I used to. I don't know. Might be a personal thing, but I'm just kinda like, cool.

I get it. I I've never got an iPhone review unit, so I've never done, one of those. But I also have never done just an iPhone review video because the coolest concept I came up with is I gave the iPhone 16E to my teenage son and let him review it. And that did well because just hearing his opinion on it. But I don't know how I would personally review the 16 e. I I mean, I will say

it was a lot of fun when every year there were, like, substantial improvements to the camera. I mean, that was what was exciting for me. And things like Dynamic Island, stuff like that, where

it's the blend of the

hardware and software. But really, feel like that's the last time that I kind of got excited. Of course, we had like, you know, Photo Raw and stuff like that. But I will say the most the most excited I've gotten, was months after it was released and it's Apple Log. And that has been the most like game changing feature that is not super popular, but I think people still underestimate the beautiful image they can get out of their iPhones.

Do you film with the stock camera app or Kino or any of the fancy apps?

I use the Blackmagic one.

Oh, Blackmagic. Alright. I'm gonna show you Yeah.

It's super, super nice.

I'm gonna show you an accessory. You might think this is cool. Have you seen the SmallRig thing? So this is a wireless monitor with MagSafe. Oh. So it literally just sticks to the back of your phone.

Oh, that's cool because, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then it has a little Wi Fi network that it puts off, and so you can AirPlay mirror to the screen. And so you can film and see the camera right there. Look at that.

Oh, that's so cool.

What does it look like?

Can you open up the camera? What is it?

$65. I mean, smaller. Yeah.

That's I'm glad they did that because Sony Xperia, the Xperia phone

Yes. It

is. Had something like that for a long time. And when I was shooting with Xperias, I was using that. And I was like, oh, why does an iPhone have something like that? So that's that's really cool.

That's pretty sweet. Okay. I wanna hear about some of your AI tools or apps. I watched your video. These apps make my Mac actually useful.

People got very upset about that title, but the video flopped initially, and then that helped give a little bounce.

So you talked about CleanShot X, which is my favorite screen Love

so much.

Love it. Yeah. Well, tell me, what are some of the things that make you excited? What apps have were you been excited recently about?

Yeah. I feel a little behind just because I mean, I I truthfully I used a MacBook for a while, but I was still using my Windows PC. So I really didn't go all in, I feel like on Mac until recently, the past couple years. And so I it was kind of fun to rediscover, you know, tools again. Like I use CleanShot X, but to really dive into like the setup apps again

Yes.

And find like paste and you know, didn't even know like those apps existed. And to just like embrace the shortcuts and, you know, to feel like a wizard on your computer or you're just like, shortcutting everything. But I know a lot of people, you know, in that video mentioned like Raycast and stuff like that.

Fine. It's fine.

Yeah. I just, you know, I've I've tried it, but I think for me, I like the learning curve has to be reasonable enough to where, you know, you can kinda just like hop right in and it's super useful within like three minutes of using it. So Right. Really I don't have anything

more Well, do you how do you use ChatGPT? How do you use ChatGPT in your process? Okay.

Use it so much. It's it's crazy how much I use it. I think I think what's been shocking to me talking to other people and just seeing how the internet has been using it, I use I feel like I use AI to just like do a lot of things for me, so I'm always inputting something. You know, I'm not Yeah. Or or like it starts with human input, me.

You're doing great, you're doing great.

What I was originally saying was it's shocking to see so many people use it for like a therapist, for a friend.

Oh yeah,

that's And I hate that so much because I feel like that they're responsible for the recent voice update. You Do guys use like the voice where you're talking back and forth? Never. Never. Okay. I used to use it all of the time, but then they did an update with like this advanced voice. You can't change it in settings. Many people said, oh, you can like turn it off. You can't unless I'm missing it. ChatGPT voice used to be so lovely.

Yeah.

To your buddy. So now he's really slow and he'll be like

Oh, no.

He'll say, He'll say,

infuriating.

And it's so slow. It's literally like you're having a conversation with your slowest friend. And I get why get why they did it because I think the most most of the people that are using voice are using it for companionship. But man, I feel like the real the real you can get a lot of edge by just like having it be your personal tutor, and you can learn so much now. That's my favorite way to use ChatGPT. And so, yeah, that's my biggest gripe with it right now is their advanced voice. It's awful.

I never talk to it. Only when I That's crazy. I only when I tried the Perplexity app because I was comparing because they introduced integration with, like, Apple Music reminders and calendars. So I was, like, trying to talk to it to, like, add reminders and stuff, and it was so slow. And just I just never wanna do it.

Yeah. Well, what about the other way too? Like, just for transcription. Yes. So you don't

I'll type the on my phone, I'll hit the microphone and talk.

Yeah. Yeah.

And then send a chat a a text message to it, and then it just replies in text. I do that all the time. But that's also how I send emails. It's how I send text messages. It's how I write articles sometimes. Well, I mean, I did that for, like, two weeks when I drilled a hole in my finger and I couldn't type. So I just dictated all my messages, all my articles for, like, two weeks.

So do you ever

I love that's gotten really good too. I love doing that. I I very real I I type, but half the time, I'm using voice the way, Jason, you were saying. But then if I really wanna learn something, then I go into actual like voice mode. But thank goodness that it's gotten so much better on my Mac too. Like I'll literally just dictate stuff on my Mac all

the Have you trained a custom GPT for any of your use cases, Sarah?

I haven't, but.

You you should do.

No, I haven't. I have videos in the queue where it's like there are some things in process. Mhmm. I just think it's a really exciting world right now. It's scary, but it's, like, exciting.

Know? Well, this is a double edged sword of, like, AI stuff. Like, the generated video on social media is terrible. But I use ChatGPT every day. And, like, for every one of my videos, after I transcribe it, I send it to a custom GPT I made for helping me with YouTube title description and tags. And so I'll just say based on this transcript, give me some ideas, and I'll go back and forth several times. And it's basically an infinite idea generator for titles and Yeah.

I mean, I will say I'm I need to get more, like, to computer level doing that stuff to, like, improve my actual workflows. Right now, I'm doing, like, a lot of random stuff, like talking about that studio info website. So this is so much fun.

So one of the tools

I use most is v zero just because

What

is it's that? The easiest to really get you don't know what v zero is?

No. No. Is that v e?

Just v0.dev.

Like v and the numeral zero.

Yes. Oh.

Oh, I see.

It's what I'm using to make studioinspo.com. I'm not denying that it's not stupid, but it's fun. Okay, guys? No. So You're you're literally, it's just like a chat gbt interface and it just spins up web UIs.

Sure. Sure.

And then it'll just output you all of the screenshots that you think are worthy of like, this is a good a roll setup and all I have to do is go through and like check it off. That's cool. So yeah, that's what I've been having fun with is like tools like that that kind of make these little projects that I'm doing, actually useful for people because it's like, I don't wanna build this and then you only have like a 100 sets to look at and then you're done. Like, I really like the idea of like automating things and like getting fresh content and stuff. So, you know, you're you're a king of automation, Steven.

Yeah. It's so it's so daunting to try and like do something

I know. You gotta wanna you gotta be excited about it. I mean, really feel like

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm kinda picking up where I left off, when I dropped out of my comp side degree because we God, it was so dumb. I was like writing Python with a pencil on paper.

That's wild.

No. Yeah. And I was like, no. When when are we actually gonna do the things? And, know, we just never got to doing the things. I was like, this is so dumb. But now I've gotten to the point where, oh, ChatuchiBT is my tutor. All of these surface services make it so easy. And then these concepts, I can literally just say, okay, like, you know, I can go into an ID or something, make a Next. You know, project and then say chat GBT, give me an example project.

Right. You just have

to learn the structure. Right?

That's I don't know. That's what I'm saying. Oh, that's exciting. That's exciting. The most coding I ever did was HTML and CSS. And so I get daunted. I did try a little bit of Python with ChatGPT because I was trying to figure out how to use Whisper on the Mac with shortcuts Yeah, to auto good.

Just was doing that last night.

I was I got so close, I was exporting Python files from ChatGPT and trying to run them. Was like, I don't know what I'm doing at all. And I just it was too

So this is the thing, is you literally just have to push through.

And you've got to lay the baby down and it's gonna cry for a while but don't let it in your bed.

That metaphor is better here.

Got it. Got it.

And then in hindsight, you know, once you're doing a second time, you're like, I understand this a little bit better. Sure. You know, because I was just doing that with very simple, you know, how people download YouTube videos from terminal, the YT

YT downloads. Yeah.

I was just dealing with an issue with that because it needed my cookies or something, know, and then you have to go download a blah blah blah. And I was like, this is so I don't understand this and then, you know, you figure it out and then you're like, oh, okay. I'm good now.

Did you are you familiar with Downy? The

app? Yeah. I use I use Downy. I use Downy just for me personally, but

Right. It was for automations and stuff. Yeah.

It's for automations. Yeah. I I needed a way to only download the first ten minutes of a video for the studio inspo thing because I'm like someone's a role you don't need the full video. So if I'm downloading a podcast yeah so there's things that you can do.

Okay okay. I still remember my very first job out of college I was just learning how to build websites with RapidWeaver. I don't know if you ever heard of that. I

know that is.

Yes. So weird. But I remember during my I'd never actually published a website and gotten it live. But in the job interview, were like, Can you make us a website? I said, absolutely. I got it, even though I had never actually done it. And so I just remember that first month of working there, I was tirelessly because I didn't even understand where to upload on a server via FTP to get a website live. I just didn't

mean, I just learned stuff like that, you know? And what's so crazy is in college, we focus so much on, like, the syntax and, like, the four loops. And ironically, that's not what matters anymore. So I knew some of that, but me being in an IDE and setting up a project was so intimidating because we didn't actually learn how to like structure a project and how what does localhost mean again? Wait.

No. That's cool. Alright. One last suggestion, then my last question would be baby tech, if you got any smart home tech for for baby stuff. But I saw in your video you talked about Color Picker for Mac, which is an app where you can identify colors.

So good. So simple.

Have you heard of the app Pastel? Are you familiar with that? No. All right, so I'm gonna show you this Is

it its own app?

It is its own app. This is Pastel, and it's wonderful. But you can basically create color sets. In the set, you can have all the colors. And an app. Yeah. And you can copy the hex and RGB. But one of the cool features is if you wanna create a new set, I can then drag an image. Like, I'll drag our podcast artwork in here, it will identify the colors in the image. And I can import that as a set and now have all the hex codes from right there. That's cool. Yeah. It's cool.

Would love an app. I did find one website. I forgot what it was called. So I don't even know why I'm mentioning it, but I would love

It exists. Believe me.

It exists out there. I would love something that helps you go through color schemes for like websites and UI quicker. Sure. Because that's actually really That's still like a hard thing that I struggle with. Someone needs to make that.

Didn't Adobe used to have a color wheel where you can choose two colors and it would tell you complementary things?

Yeah. There's a lot

of Like it would say nice things to you? You picture colors, and It's it'd be very

like the joke about the complementary peanuts at the bar. Was the well, I'll show you. This is the it's the Adobe Color web page or whatever. And it's like, you can drag the colors around. It'll tell you complementary, and you can choose color harmony is analogous or monochromatic. And then you can see which ones work or whatever. Anyway, just like the Adobe color wheel.

I found it.

Okay.

Go to realtimecolors.com. This website has gotten

Sounds like a used car

sale, too.

What I want. Know. So I need something like this, but just a little bit better. Okay. That's my pitch.

Real to visualize your personal phone. Oh, see. You can like test.

And you can change it.

Gotcha. Wow, their pro and enterprise plans are zero dollars. Oh, okay. Oh, no. So so no, this this is the thing.

So change the colors down there.

So this is like the example website.

We're not actually selling you a Yeah. Plan

they Oh, I see.

You know, so it's interactive. I love stuff like this. So like right out of the gate, it's interactive. That's that's a cool

part of That's pretty slick. Okay. I'll them that. That's pretty cool.

I would love and maybe you can do this if you if you buy it. Honestly, yeah, I'm

That's pretty cool. We'll put those links in the in the shows for everybody. Alright. We do

My cat?

What is

he doing? My cat.

Listen, Adam.

Judy. Go. Get down.

Have to watch on YouTube too. Wow.

That cat just talked right back to you.

I am. Right. So typically, we do a personal tech segment, and then we usually have a bonus episode. I'm gonna ask you a bunch of, do you have the battery percentage on on your iPhone or not for our bonus episode? I'll ask you all those weird little questions. But I'm a smart home guy, and, Jason does have smart home stuff too. When baby came, did you get any smart home stuff that helped? Or

Yeah. I mean, I got the Nanit camera, and that was cool until we started, like, doing a little bit of traveling. And then WiFi cameras are pointless if you're in a hotel. So we literally just went to just like the boring old

RF.

RF baby. And honestly, I never switched back. So, I'm finding some of the old school to kinda be Yes. Better. But we're just straight up, you know, I got yeah, I don't we rent, so I I don't get super into

Old smart home tech.

Home tech, but I I I mean, I have, you know, WiFi like, plugs that turn on lamps automatically. But that's that's basically, like, the extent.

Okay. Okay. I know Andrew O'Hara. He was my co host at HomeKit Insider for a while. He went crazy. He has, like, a smart crib, and they have thermometers now. Do do you ever get, like, a wireless thermometer thing?

I have a normal thermometer.

I mean, aren't they all wireless if they have batteries in them? They're

all wireless?

Yeah. No. It was like, this thermometer you can somehow integrate with baby.

Wait, hold on.

Hold on. No. No. No. Don't. Don't.

So I did go down the rabbit hole of the Owlsock. It used to be useful because it gave you real time data. Right. But the freaking FDA came in and like all the blah blah blah.

Are what are they? Stop Yeah. Integrating these thermometers with babies.

Yeah. They basically said, oh, like you can't you either need to call this a medical device or not. They wanted to keep selling to just consumers, obviously. And now, it's basically like you're putting a like a whoop band on your baby. So it'll give you like summarizations of the breathing over the past like hour.

You let the baby cry. You put it down.

I don't, I, yeah, I, for the record, I don't do that, but

Okay. Your baby never cries? You just never, never come No,

no, She cries, but we didn't do sleep training.

Yeah. Yeah.

We basically held her until for literally the first two or three months she was home, me and my husband did shifts of like Right. We would just I would watch, like, I burned through seven hours of Grey's Anatomy at night just holding her in the chair.

But only on captions, like, you're just reading the captions?

No. No. That's what's crazy. She was so out of it that I literally would like play it. It wasn't loud, but I'd play it out loud. Then when she started noticing, had to wear AirPods. But Yeah. And we just like held her until she was comfortable in her, not crib, but what's it called?

Bassinet. The bassinet. Yeah. I will say when my daughter, she was born in 2016, so right before AirPods came out, And so any shifts that I had to stay up with her I did watch things, but it was on mute, and I just read the captions. Man, so sorry, genuinely.

Yeah. It's

great now. All right. Well, we're gonna ask you about some asinine iPhone preferences and Mac preferences. And like dock, where do you put it? Stuff like that.