Samsung Clones AirPods + Apple Watch Ultra, Zombie Apple Blogs, Are Folding Phones a Thing?

Good artists copy, great artists deal. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Today we're gonna go over Samsung's unpacked event where they they basically command c, command v, some things from app. But anyway, we'll get into that. Plus AI generated content farms are taking over old Apple blogs. Kinda sad. We're gonna talk

talk about that too. Apple Intelligence, we might

not see it until 2025. Epic Games v Apple once again over in the EU. Will we ever get a digital driver's license in Florida? And a ton more. I'm 1 of your hosts, Steven Robles, and joining me as always, good friend, Jason Aten. How's it going, Jason?

I'm good. I just wanna know, what movie was that quote from?

Listen. It was not a movie quote. I I wouldn't Wait.

It is.

Oh, wait a minute. It is? Oh, is it the Michael Fassbender Jobs movie or something?

No. Pirates of Silicon Valley. Oh. See? You inadvertently stumbled into a movie quote that you didn't even know was a movie quote.

That is amazing. Yeah. No. It was originally a Steve Jobs thing. Right?

Well, in Pirates of Silicon Valley, they attribute that quote to Steve Jobs. And then I think It's really a isn't it really a Picasso?

Yeah. I think if you Google it, it's like Pablo Picasso said this first, but listen. Anyway but I

just wanted to I just wanted to you I did. You I just love the fact that you told me it's not gonna be a movie quote. And I'm like, nope. That's actually a movie quote.

Matter of fact. Okay. That's great. That's great. Also, I forgot to mention this episode is brought to you, by you, the members who support us directly. So thank you for that. Oh, 2 bits of housekeeping. We're gonna do 5 star reviews in a moment. But I do want to mention next week. It's mid July. And I'm actually going to be traveling. I don't I told you where I was going. Right, Jason? I told you what I was doing.

I think so. Yeah. I think so.

I'm gonna be in New York. Just just spoilers. Okay? And I'm probably gonna stop by a couple Apple Stores so if anybody's in New York next week at an Apple Store let me know because I don't know it might be kind of fun I'm gonna go to the glass cube bring my whole family there do some sightseeing, but we're I'm gonna be gone next week, so we're gonna take a week off. It's our 30th episode this week.

That's a little bit of It's a little strong. Little bit too much energy, but I also just wanna say that I promise you that a Steven is wandering through the Apple Stores of Manhattan, which feels like a good movie title, honestly, the Apple Stores of Manhattan. But anyway, it could be your, like, biopic. But anyway, he will not be thinking about us.

Now wait now wait a minute wait a minute. No. I do think about it all the time. Oh, now you just said biopic, and and you always

You're gonna say it's a biopic.

Well, I'm I'm gonna ask because you always get on to me how you pronounce words and stuff or how I pronounce words. I used to say bi biopic and then I feel like I heard people say, no. It's biopic because it's a biography picture. Is there an official way to say it? Is it what how do you say it?

I mean, according to Reddit, it's the thing I said, but that doesn't

mean anything. Jason. I don't. Listen. Reddit might be good for Google search, but it's not good for for me. I don't.

It's probably biopic, but that's such a clunky

A clunky word. I like that. Yeah. Biopic. I I'm down with biopic, so I'm a go with

that. Because biopic feels like an epic. It feels like it's a combination of a biography and an epic as opposed to a bi I don't know.

Yeah. No. No. Definitely.

Just made that up.

Biopic. Well, let us know, listeners. Leave us a 5 star review in Apple Podcasts and tell us do you say it? I don't know how you're gonna phonetically spell it out, but biopic or biopic, which 5 star review shout outs. We had a number of them this past week. John Faugh from the USA, Ba Dolan from Canada, which I immediately agreed with him because he said Jason is wrong, and I I identify with that. But he was

You stopped reading the rest of the sentence. It didn't matter. It didn't matter what the rest of it is.

He said, but he said you were wrong about RCS, and I guess he was saying because it's, it's meaningful. He's looking forward to it. So, okay. We hear you. Veesla can from Canada. And then Luke Ireland from Great Britain. I don't know how that works. Maybe his last name is Ireland. I assume it's well, what Great Britain is just the right island. Right? And then the United Kingdom is the whole deal? I gotta watch that CGP rave video.

Great yeah. I think Great Britain is the name of an island.

Well, anyway Isn't it? Thank thank you. Thank you for that. And, he said battery percentage on. Nobody's perfect. So anyway, 1 question.

Those of us who we're we're being critical if nobody's perfect and we're just rambling about what is the difference between the UK and Great Britain and

what I watched that CGP Grey video, like, 3 times. Okay? And I I feel like I've never met. We're gonna get into Samsung Unpacked in a second. I just wanna ask Jason a question. I have not told him 1 way or the other. Do you think I bought that e ink device, the books Palma? Did I buy 1? That's my question.

I feel like there's probably a better than 50.50 chance that you did.

I did not. I I resisted it.

I'm hoping you did not.

I did not I did not buy it. I kept seeing people keep posting about it like it's some kind of, amazing device, and I just I didn't do it.

Here's here's how I knew you didn't. Well, first of all, as as a rule, anytime a headline has a question mark in it, the answer is basically no. Oh, that's

1 of your rules. Yeah.

Right? So then there's that. But then secondly, if you had bought 1, you would have not said, did I buy 1? You would have just said, Steven has a surprise for Jason and I'd have been like, oh, I know you bought 1 of those and you bought another stupid thing.

Oh, speaking of, well, we have a humane news later in the show, but I just want you to know I did cancel my humane subscription and so my pin is now a paperweight because it doesn't do anything. Because once you cancel the subscription, it just bricks the device, which is great. It's great. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know. What do I do with it, Jason? Do I put it in a drawer? Do I

I think you should at least try to put it on eBay.

Maybe I should put it on eBay.

You know, podcast and YouTuber sells Yeah. You know used gently used. Yeah. Very gently. It really hasn't been used. You could sell that thing in, like, basically, like, new condition.

Yeah. Well, I wonder if I bring you to the Apple Store, will they recycle it for me? You know, they recycle things for you.

Oh, but I don't think they want that thing anywhere near anything.

Security concern.

They're like, you know the you know they left. Right? They're no longer a part of this company. We don't want their stuff here.

And they left again. Anyway, that's the news for later in the show. We're not the spoilers. Spoilers for that news later. But first, the big event this past week was Samsung Unpacked where they announced a bunch of new devices, new phones, namely the, the Z Flip 6 and the Fold.

Not for $1900 or not. Like that I mean, I actually have a fold.

Oh, I

think it's 5 right here.

Okay.

It's not the new 1. I'm not MKBHD. They don't send me these weeks in advance. In fact, they probably don't remember that I still have this 1, to be real. Actually, if

you send that back.

If you send me a label, Samsung, I'm happy to send this back. I don't actually

a label.

I mean, I don't know where to send it. It wouldn't make it to just be like, put it in a box and put Samsung on it. Yeah.

That's how it gets.

Here, unpack this.

That's how it

works. It's exactly how well, it does work for, like, the North Pole in the White House. But beyond that, I'm pretty sure you have to have an address. But, anyway, speaking of which, my cousin lives used to live in North Pole, Alaska. It was real fun sending stuff to the North Pole. Yeah. Anyway,

our flip phone is going

to be

a thing in 5 years. That's Well,

here's the thing. Are you do you mean flip fold flip phones or foldable phones? Because those are 2 different things.

I don't I don't know which I roll my eyes harder at, but but tell me. I mean, I I don't think I think they're both. I'm just gonna say it right here. This might be an unpopular opinion. I think they're both gimmicky. I've not I've not not used 1 personally. I've seen them out in the wild. I've seen people at hotel desks take their fold and flip it out and make a small tablet, and it looks like something. But I don't know. Is this a thing?

Yeah. Well, I actually had lunch with somebody a while ago who I did not know was a very hardcore Apple enthusiast because they have a they have a fold. Oh. And I thought that so I'm assuming if you spend $2, 000 on a Samsung device, you're, like, all in on that. And the reason was, the person told me, is that they really like having the largest screen size. But, obviously, they don't you know, They wanted a screen size bigger than what you could get in an iPhone or whatever.

Yeah.

But you don't wanna just like, you can't just carry an iPad mini as your phone. Even if you get cellular on it, it's just not practical as a device. Yeah. And so they really they they use it with the stylus. They use it for taking note.

don't know.

I don't think

Well, I have a Pixel 6 80.

I have

a Pixel.

Yeah. I'm saying you have a Pixel something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pixel phone.

Fair. Fair. Fair.

So I think it's gonna I actually thought that the flip phones are probably more practical for people. Because if what you want is a normal phone that you can make smaller, that's kinda cool. But I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. Anyway, so they released new version of this. Even MKBHD was like, yeah, they're spec bumps. You know, they're nicer phones, the front facing screen. Okay. That's cool. I'll put a link to his video, in the show notes. But then also, I think the bigger thing is, at least this is what I saw more of, is the Galaxy ring, which is Samsung's health tracker ring. And there's a bunch of these rings out there. There's like Oura ring, I think ultra human something has a ring.

I I don't know how I feel specifically about smart rings, but I do feel like there should be a device that is not just a watch that gives you those health, like, metrics and that kind of thing, your steps or pulse, whatever. Because there are people who like to just wear normal watches. Don't they don't necessarily wanna have to wear an Apple Watch or a Galaxy Watch or whatever they are. So I do think I think that, like, I've I think I don't know if I've said on this podcast before, but I have definitely said before, I think it'd be great if Apple made something that was basically all of the sensors of an Apple Watch without the display. Right.

So

you could just wear it and get get all your stats and your data without having to necessarily, you know, wear a watch because you could wear that. I see people wearing 2 watches. I don't understand that lifestyle. Right? What they they'll either wear, like, a mechanical watch on 1 hand and a smartwatch on the other.

This is a chunky ring. I saw there was a cool animation. There's, like, a charging case, and when you open the case, there's, like, a little light ring that goes around which is actually telling you the battery percentage because there's no display. You know, so you kind of figure out that kind of stuff. But, I'm interested in this.

This is basically the the rejected design of the AirPods 2. Right? This is like the AirPods 2, but we didn't quite decide to go with this form.

Yeah. They have a soft silicone tip, so, you know, that's airing, you know, towards AirPods Pro, but it's I mean, it is such I mean, all of this is like marketing. I mean, this is like AirPods. These are straight command c, command v, Samsung you know? Yeah. They did this so fast.

And and the best part is that they when they were talking about how they discovered no. They they discovered that adding the stems after extensive research makes them more comfortable. Amazing. And I just think this is especially good because when you think about, like, the main criticism of iOS is that, you know, 8 years after it comes to Android, Apple talks about it like it's a brand new feature. Right?

Maybe.

I don't even know. The original AirPods came out, what, in 2017?

2017, which yeah. That's So

they're probably, like, 20 2. They're probably, like, 5 year old it's a 5 year old design, and Samsung is like, we just discovered after a ton of research that these would be more comfortable. And we're, like, like, yes. Exactly. Research. Yes.

So there's that. And then there's also the Samsung Galaxy Watch Ultra, which I'm gonna put Snazzy Labs tweet in here. This is the 1, like, John Gruber linked to it, everybody said, because I think it is the most, you know, I just okay. What are you doing? Here it is.

it's just That is the worst part. That's literally they called it the same thing. They didn't even call it a different, like

Yeah. Yeah. Now people are saying it's hideous, which it actually is a circular watch face, but then the casing is, like, a rounded rectangle, probably to, like, deal with the band connectors and things like that, has more buttons than the Apple Watch Ultra. Well, I don't know if it has more buttons. It's got 3 buttons on the side, whereas, you know, the Apple Watch action buttons opposite the digital crown and such. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, command c command v. I don't know what else to say.

I mean, it looks actually like if you took an Apple Watch Ultra and you in a what is it? A Panerai, which is a mechanical watch? Are you familiar

with those? You reached behind me. I don't I'm not familiar with that. I don't know.

You're not familiar? Just Google it. Panerai. You'll and you'll look at

it, and you'll be

like, oh my gosh. That's literally what they just they just made. And that was actually the word that I was like, how do you I got to figure out how to say this before I before I say it to Steven because

Because I'm going to call you out? No, I don't know.

He won't have a clue. But for sure, if someone corrects it, he's gonna enjoy it. But anyway, I sent you a link so you can just see, like, it looks exactly like that form factor. And a lot of people a lot of people love them. A lot of people think that that form factor with a circle inside of essentially a square is kinda weird.

So Squircle? Is that what you call it? Well, squircle.

Basically. I

think I've heard that. This is oh, so you sent me how do you say it again? Panerai?

Panerai. It's an Italian word, so I'm assuming that's how say it. Panerai. Okay. Okay.

So this is the oh, yeah. That is very much that's that's it. There it is.

Yep. Yeah. Okay. So

Well, you know, there you go. New Samsung devices. I'm cur I mean our percentage oh, you know, I should I will say this. I'm sure our actual listener percentage, who are Samsung Galaxy something users, is very small. If you are out there, I wanna hear from you. Say, yes, I use a Galaxy Fold something, and I listen to primary tech. We would love to hear from you. I wanna know if you're out there. But, also, we had 1 episode. This This is messing up our analytics, Jason.

Samsung syndicated our podcast is what you're saying.

It just says Samsung free. That's the source, you know, because I we could see Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Overcast, Pocket Cast, those are, like, the top 4. But for this 1 episode, Samsung free, it's just, like, rocketed up and downloads and it's, like, well, I mean, our total download

They do have a podcast player. Samsung doesn't Samsung make a podcast player?

Yeah. But, Jason, the

But maybe they, like, maybe they surfaced it.

Maybe. I mean, it was just a single episode though, like, it was just 1 episode, so may even

And it wasn't even where we talked about Samsung is what you're saying? It was just random? It was

episode wasn't about Samsung. So I don't know. Maybe there are literally thousands of Samsung users out there that listen to the show or at least listen to that 1 episode, which okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's but anyway. So Samsung Okay. I have

1 thing to say about Samsung. Yes. 1 more thing about the event. It's about the event more specifically or more broadly. I actually think that the device is whatever.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, they're they're what they are. And to be fair, Samsung's make Samsung pretty much makes the the best Android devices. So, like, that's great. And I think it's good to have them pushing the edge on certain things so that Apple can do them late years later, and then Samsung can capitalize. It's a it's a happy ecosystem.

The circle of life.

Yeah. But the most interesting thing was that Rick Osterlo, who is the head of Pixel and actually Android now at Google Right. Was on stage for the 2nd Samsung event in a row. There was a Google executive on stage talking about features, specifically AI features coming to Samsung devices. And when Google had its event, it was sort of like, maybe they're gonna maybe they really are all in on this device thing, and they're not gonna be so invested in the Samsung thing.

So That's interesting. And, yeah, there are Gemini features. Then then they announced, like, Gemini coming to Galaxy devices and so on and so forth. So yeah. I just noticed the WWDC badge you have hanging behind you from the bookshelf. It's kind of as a You like that? I see that. I saw that. That's just what I just want you to know. Alright. This this news

I leave you east I should just I'm gonna start leaving you Easter eggs all the time.

That's pretty good. This news was crazy this past week. So if you were unfamiliar with kind of Apple blogs 10 plus years ago, the unofficial Apple web blog was 1 of the sites that you could go to kind of for Apple Rumors and News. You know, there was a bunch of sites back then, like, Mac and N was another 1. Of course, Imore, which still exists, a little different now, but, you know, all these kind of, like, plus Apple Insider was there, 9 to 5, MacRumors, all of them.

that Linus from Linus Tech Tips? No. That picture looks like.

It looks like it looks like him, but it is it is definitely not William Gallagher. Okay? Right. I can tell you that.

We know what he looks like because he has a Wikipedia page.

Thank you.

Yes.

But that is definitely not William Gallagher. Christina Warren was was also very vocal because she used to write for the unofficial Apple web blog, and now they've made up a picture and byline, but are still using her name on the site. And, you know, I'm not sure the legal precedent about what, you know, can be done against this ad agency, but this is the most gross thing that you can do with AI generated content, and it was done to an old Apple blog, which is, you know, close to home for many of us, and so it is unfortunate that this has happened. I don't know, like, how the story moves forward as far as I don't know who like, who can sue? I imagine the unofficial Apple web blog sold their domain or their property to someone at some point, and it just went Well, it

was owned by Yahoo. It

was owned

by Yahoo. It was a part of Yahoo's conglomerate, and then they sold, I guess, the brand assets to this other place. So I think that whatever web orange or whatever actually owns the brand. And I don't even know, like, if it's just recreating our it's so so weird. I think Christina Warren's well, she had a great quote.

Yeah.

I'm not gonna repeat it because we will get an explicit tag. But the other part was, like, you know so I think she said, that she thought the worst thing that would happen is, like, that the archive of it would just go away. Right? You wrote all this stuff. Right.

I mean, but but, like, who who is it? Like, I don't even know. This so I didn't wanna show it, but this this is it. This is I'm not gonna put in the show notes, but this is the current form of the unofficial Apple web blog. It has I think the like, that's the logo that, the website used to use And then all these articles, I mean, it's just AI generated.

now that there's William Gallagher again. It's what it's not.

It's the false image of William Gallagher.

So do they change all the names?

I think they changed the names.

They've they realized they were gonna definitely super get sued if they were using real people's names and putting them on articles that they did not write. So now they've kept all their pictures that are actually not them and just made up other names.

This is heinous. Look how many writers they supposedly have.

They supposedly But, you know, the here's the only thing I will say. Now I'm not excusing this at all because I agree with you. This is gross. There's just no words for it, but this is not actually AI's fault. That right there is Google's fault.

I didn't know how to use my dishwasher, so

I googled it. No. That's not what it was. It was like a thing that happens like, it had to do with, like, shipping and stuff.

Okay. Okay.

So I Googled it. The first thing that comes up, it was actually part of the snippet that, you know, Google summarized. I was like, oh, that's that looks like it's gonna have my answer, and I click on it, and it's just, like, nonsense. It's like the most surface level answer to a question. It's like the whole Internet is just that. We talked about this.

We had

a whole I won't go on the rant, but the this is Google's fault. I mean, it's also this whoever the idiots are that are actually doing it. Right. But the reason they're doing it is they can get traffic for this, which they can then convert to money through advertising.

I would not that we'll ever see this, but I would love to know, like, what what actually is the money generated, like, what is this Web Orange ad agency earning from this? I mean, 100 of dollars, is it 1, 000 of dollars? Like, what would make it worth it? But if the problem is it probably costs $0 to do, like, once they acquired the domain or whatever, the AI generated stuff, I imagine it's, you know, marginal or minimal the cost to actually do it because it's just chat gpt probably generating these things. I would like to coin a new phrase though because you're I don't know if it's crap tent?

We'll just call it garbage.

It's garbage.

But I I mean, in in you're right. This is it's actually if you think it, this so it is partially AI's fault. Because if you had done this in the past, you would have had to hire a bunch of writers. And you might hire a bunch of writers, like, in a country where you can just hire people to cheaply crank

Right.

Garbage. That's fine. But now you don't even need to do that. You can just do it with the AI, and and I get it. And in a case like this, like, the real money in this in content generation like this is in affiliate links.

Oh, sad.

This there's no reputable affiliates who are gonna pay money to be a part of a site like this. Right. So it's just Google AdSense or whatever.

Right. I don't I'm future, Jason. I don't know. I don't know. I've been getting a

It's just a numbers it's just a numbers game. You get x amount of traffic, it's worth x amount of clicks, and those clicks are worth pennies apiece. But you add them up and, like, they're hoping for a lot of pennies.

I have to say, I've been getting more AI overviews in my Google searches and I I don't like it. I don't like it. There's been multiple times where I'm trying to search for a thing and the AI overview is, like, maybe is this the answer I'm looking for? Is this what I wanna read? And then it's, like, oh, not really.

Well, it's it is so it's terrible for most of the things we normally search for. And I don't know if it's terrible because it's worse information or if I feel philosophically that it's terrible because it's like I wanna I want the I want the source. I wanna read the article that the human being with the expertise wrote.

Right.

The the only things at this point that it's that I think it's good for are the types of searches that we just know Google won't do a good job. So, for example, I was trying to find some piece of information about a particular soccer player the other day, a a woman's national team soccer player. And I'm not gonna just go through all of the past rosters for, like, years, but I could type a really random question. Like, give me a list of all of the, you know, whatever types of soccer player, like, you know, African American soccer players who played from this period of time and have been in at least 1 World Cup. And and generative AI will do that.

I will say I saw this on actually this morning. It was this person asked Chachi Petit to draw instructions on how to mount the TV to a wall, and it looks like at the beginning, it looks reasonable

Perfect.

Ish aside from cutting a hole in your wall, but it says, you know, use the Nailed it. Stud finder, whatever. Basically, the the joke is this TV is mounted screen facing the wall. So that's what

Also, he redrawed drywall that wall really quickly because he cut through all the paneling to expose the studs. And also, what do you need a set finder for if you can look at the studs because you've ripped the wall away?

He literally just stripped the entire wall and then rebuilt it between steps 12. Like, completely redrawn.

Explain that. I'm really upset.

Yeah. It's it's amazing. And then it has studs, and then I don't know what this other word is.

No. I think studs is the arrows pointing at him because he wants to redo that wall in 2 seconds flat.

And then he is the I mean, he has the he connects the mount to the back of the TV seemingly properly except the TV's backwards. There's nothing actually anyway.

Where do you get where do you get the glue to hold the TV? It's like it's like a it's like a 65 inch television. It's just he's drilling straight from the back all the way through to the wall. Exactly.

Maybe that's why he had to call.

You can't see you can't see the screen anyway, so who cares? That's why I

cut a hole in the wall, so you could see it from the other side of the wall. It's like a frame TV, but it's built into the wall. Anyway, we're safe from, the Terminator ending right now

because I think you're right.

Chat gpt does not have a mount TV. But speaking of Chat gpt and OpenAI, we had talked about last week that Apple was going to have an observer position on the board of OpenAI considering the integration with Apple Intelligence, that Microsoft already had a seat as an observer on the board. Well, the Financial Times is now reporting that JK, Microsoft, and Apple are going to drop those seats because of antitrust scrutiny, And I'm I'm not sure maybe, you know, antitrust either from I think from the EU mainly, but also the US, it seems like. But antitrust authorities are, like, this is a little, you know, a lot of big companies all in the same room or whatever, and so it looks like neither Microsoft nor Apple will have that observer seat on the board. Of course, that's not to say that Bill Schiller is not gonna take some meetings with OpenAI.

Well and that's actually what they're saying. So Microsoft had a seat for basically 9 months. Although there's a theme emerging here with OpenAI and leadership. It's, like, basically, things happen in a week. You get a spot on the board and you're gone.

It's all Sam Altman's fault.

But so Microsoft actually just resigned. They resigned from the board. They're like, well, we don't really need a seat anymore because y'all are doing a good job. And so we'll just we're we're cool, and we don't wanna get sued. And then Apple just essentially is is not going to to take a seat.

It was

it was good. But but instead of having official board seats, they're going to have what they call stakeholder meetings. So they're gonna so so OpenAI is gonna regularly meet, probably not with them together, right, with Microsoft and with which honestly, like, is sort of a distinction without a difference. Right? Like or difference without a distinction, whichever way that saying is supposed to be.

Without a difference. Like, when you It it

really means the same thing, really. But, you know, anyway, we'll go with yours.

I've I would I would love to know if this moment happens where Phil Schiller is there and he's in a meeting with Sam Altman and the OpenAI guys, And whoever that Microsoft CTO tries to walk in

Kevin Scott.

Yeah. Yeah. And Phil Schiller just goes, just give us a second. I have to imagine that's how that power dynamic is, but I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. But, yeah, I mean, the the the antitrust thing, really, right now, antitrust just means big tech company bad.

Right.

Right? That's what antitrust means at this point

in history. Tech companies try to do something together, more bad. That's

Yeah. More bad.

More bad.

But I think the the logic behind it is Microsoft, big company, lots of power. Right. 1 of the most viable companies on earth. Sometimes it is. Sometimes, you know

Sometimes it's doubles.

The the GPUs get, you know

The NVIDIA print.

They they turn on all the GPUs, and then NVIDIA prints more money. Exactly. Basically, that's how it works,

actually. Yeah. That's how it works.

But, well, with Bitcoin, it's literally how it works. But, anyway, so they're just looking at it and they're thinking, like, we don't want the most influential AI company right now, which is clearly OpenAI, in bed with Microsoft because there are this is already a hugely hugely dominant platform. And they and, really, the issue is not is not OpenAI. It's do you do they want Microsoft having that much influence over the direction of this new type of platform? And essentially the argument is, no.

Not so much. We we really don't. Not so much. So, when you said the most influential AI company, I thought you're talking about humane because sorry.

Nope. You still can't justify that purchase, Steven. I'm sorry.

And I think to further justify the fact that it was a poor purchase, 2 humane execs are leaving the company, 1 being Ken Kocienda, originally from Apple, responsible for the Apple software keyboard, all that, and also the humane strategic partnerships lead Brooke Hartley Moy is also leaving and they're both going I think they're going to found a startup, a AI fact checking startup.

This is wild.

Which are they gonna use AI to fact check AI or

That's the question.

That is the question.

Or will they just sit there and and add community notes to everything posted by by AI saying, not true. It seems like a really, really big job.

Everyone at that this new company just knows to their screen, just scrolling slowly. Content. Yeah. Anyway.

Clearly the answer has to be both because if you're going to fact check AI, you're going to need AI to do the fact checking. So here's what's really weird about this. Okay. Humane. Wow. It's the trajectory of that company is just, like, astronomical when you think about it because they had been around for a long time. It was so mysterious, and no 1 knew what they were working on. And I remember when Ken Crescendo went to That's a big deal. Right? Like, yeah.

It's early. It's early. It's July.

Yeah. Anyway, but Yeah. No. Yeah. Humane it's just so

I don't know if it's sad or if it's like it's hubris. Right? Like, it's hubris.

It's Icarus. They flew they flew too close to the sun.

Because, I mean, they were so mysterious for so long. I have to I will give them credit on, like, the marketing side because they generated so much interest in that first, like, 6 months to a year when no 1 knew what they were doing. It was, like, we knew humane existed. They had some weird videos with people wearing all black running in the forest. That was literal video that they launched, and and, like, everything was, like, wow.

Well and just to just to clarify, you said it was Ken Caschena that did the TED talk. It was actually Imran.

Oh, that's right. Imran.

Just I don't want any more shame

No. No. No. No. No.

For Ken. For

no. No. Yeah. It was, in my mind.

Yeah. You said that they you know, you give them credit for the marketing. I have to be honest. I don't.

It's okay.

And here's my reason. Fair. They made a lot of promises. They did not deliver on a single 1. If you make promises in your marketing, you have to keep those promises. Otherwise, we use a different word. We just call that, like I'm not gonna say it's fraud, but, yeah, it's likely you're lying. You're just making things up.

But I think that's that's why I give them credit before they promised anything because all the early marketing said nothing. It said nothing about what they were doing.

Except for we're going to change the we're gonna break you free from your smart phone, but we're gonna charge you a monthly subscription for cellular service. Like, I don't what what are you even talking about? So

it's so again, I don't know if it's sad. I don't know if it's sad, but it's it's just it's disappointing. Look. Here it is.

I do think just to be clear. I do think it's good that people are trying things. Right? And on the scale of 0 to complete fraud, humane is much closer to not fraud than rabbit was. Like, right? That's just a joke. There's a lot

of news coming out about rabbit.

Steven's got 1 of those too, by the way.

I got

this 1 too. This is a depressing segment of the show for Steven.

This is listen. This is gonna be a a moratorium. This is the last time I'm gonna show these devices on camera unless some crazy news happens. Here's the here's

the unfortunate thing, Steven. The the books, Palmar or whatever, probably long term would have been a much better buy. You could have bought

5 of them. It would have been cheaper than both of these.

Yeah. You could have bought 5 of those. 5 of them for them.

Could buy

1 for everyone in your family, and you probably would love them. I still don't think you should get 1. No. I'm

not gonna get 1.

But

Anyway so sit well, anyway, I don't know what to think about that. That's humane. Execs are leaving. What do you think? A year from now? How long before humane just dissolves?

I think it I think it's not gonna dissolve. I think someone will buy it because there is some interesting technology

in there. Yeah. But it'll be someone not interesting.

It'll probably be LinkedIn.

LinkedIn, who historically has no hardware products at all. Maybe. Yeah. I can see.

It will not be LinkedIn, but I'm just it'll be something weird like that where you're like, why is Microsoft buying a social network for job hunters? Like, I don't get it.

Neil Hippoduck keeps saying HP, which I could see that. I mean, HP bought the Palm 3 and Palm.

Well, that was at a time when HP was known for making consumer devices. At least there was sort of, like, a connection point there. They still

make laptops, don't they? They make laptops.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess there's 2 versions of HP. There's like the 1 that makes servers and the ones that make mid mid level PC, you know, Windows laptops.

Epson. Epson is gonna buy Humanae and make an AI

powered computer. I think the most likely 1 would be, like, Amazon. Don't you think? And you're gonna tap it and then and toilet paper is gonna show up on your doorstep.

But Amazon doesn't need I mean, Amazon could do its own AI thing. It's got a what's Amazon's model? Don't they have, they they're generative AI to the image tools what Figma used, for the command c command b Well,

they're definitely the yeah. They're definitely the that's definitely what Figma said. They're definitely the tool that they are the ones that you can throw Amazon under a really big bus, and Figma did.

Figma punches piloted that so fast. Not our problem.

A 100%.

Anyway, that's a biblical reference.

That's a good reference. I've never heard anyone use that reference in reference to tech before, but it was

I use it a lot. I use it a lot. I like that reference. Okay. Mark Gurman over at Bloomberg, he is saying that Apple Intelligence, which is not in the betas yet, we had, developer beta 3 come out.

know, this On a side iPhone that doesn't get app won't get Apple Intelligence anyway.

Honestly, yes. It's an iPhone 14, and so we'll be able to test Apple Intelligence on this anyway. But, yes, we might have to wait till which this was early rumors too is that the Apple Intelligence stuff might not launch for a while, but that seems like a long way off. Right? January, February?

Yeah. And I don't I I'd be interested to know what they're, like, what they're waiting for if it's just, like, we have we don't know if this will support scale. But, again, it's limited to only the most expensive iPhone. So it's not like this or and I guess Macs, but it's not like yes. IPads. I understand. But there's an overlap there. No. There's an overlap. Like, I don't think there are very few people who have an iPad who don't have either a Mac or an iPhone.

I do miss the days, Jason, when I don't know when the last time this was. Maybe I was 14 or 15 when, like, everything that was announced at WWDC happened on launch in the fall. Yeah. Like, Ios 15 dot 0 got all the things and it seems like now, year after year, like, more and more features are kind of just spread out over time, which on 1 sense, I do like the opportunity for Apple to make a big feature release midyear, like the Apple Podcast transcripts was, like, a big feature that came with iOS 17 dot 4, like, cool, like, that's great, but they didn't have that.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah. The journal app didn't come right exactly for several months. So I I just I missed the days when it was, like, everything you saw at Dub Dub, he just got it in the fall. Now it's just kinda like it's extended out.

But Yeah. I think I bet the reason that they had it yet is that they know that no 1 will talk about anything else. Right?

Fair. Yeah. And I I understand. Yeah.

And they need to get the story Apple vision problem. They need to get the story straight for the iPhone 16 before they release the Apple Intelligence. Because they don't wanna be talking about, well, will this run on this, and will this do this, and whatever. So yeah.

And they would they could also be waiting for that cycle of iPhone 16 buyers through the holiday season. This way, once Apple Intelligence does come early 2025, there'll be a much larger pool of people who can Yeah. Run it. Maybe. Maybe that's it.

this. I mean, Steven, I'm actually really offended that you didn't include my tweet because I've and I understand why because I only tweet, like, once every 3 weeks weeks or something. But I on the day that this happened, I tweeted that Apple has rejected Epic's 3rd party app store in the EU for looking too much like an app store. That's literally what they did.

Oh, that's a good tweet. Wait. I'm going to your page. This is probably right at the top.

Right? I think I have our our our podcast pinned, and then the next 1 is right there.

You do have you do have a thank you very much. Yeah. You have it pinned. Okay. Here's Jason's tweet. I wanna put Jason's tweet first.

Anyway, I'm really proud of that, but, anyway, I don't tweet often.

You did the check notes the check's notes thing.

Well, here now I don't think it's I don't think it's I I think I can share this, but anytime something like this happens, I get an email from Epic. Right? They'll tell me, like, this is the thing that's happened, and we've just posted this. And that's fine. That's common.

It's gonna be the big black logo.

2nd of all, you had to have downloaded it to your phone.

Right.

You had to have jumped through a lot of hoops to get that App Store on your device. You're not gonna be confused about whether or not you're downloading Facebook from the Epic Game Store or from Apple's App Store. Right? Like, it's and and it's and Facebook isn't gonna, like, even if that was the case, Facebook's not gonna just, like, recreate a whole new version of their app just for the EU, just for people not click x s not to track. Right? Like, they're not that's not what's gonna happen.

I think they it'll finally get through.

Yeah. They approved it. Apple. That same day.

That same

day, they approved it.

They did they did they did find it.

It's like Apple, just because you can doesn't mean you should.

That's right. Is that a movie quote?

Probably. It's like it's a somebody

quote. Who is Jurassic Park?

Well, yeah. They yeah. They did never they they spent so much time thinking about whether they could. They never stopped to ask whether they should. Doctor what's his name? Doctor Malcolm or whatever. Jeff Goldblum.

Yeah. Malcolm, Malcolm Gladys. No. It's not.

That's actually the name that came to my mind.

Ian Malcolm. Ian Malcolm.

Jeff Goldblum. How's that? The original Imac Yeah. Yeah. Commercial guy.

Oh, was he?

He was in commercials. I don't know if it was the Imac or not, but, like, he was definitely yeah. He was definitely I think it was the original Imac commercial, wasn't it?

Well, now I gotta look it up. So original Imac commercial, Jeff Goldblum.

Imac ad with Jeff Goldblum from 1999. He was a 3 steps guy. Step 1, plug it in.

I was Yeah.

A year of your I'm so right. I'm so excited.

I I did not see this.

Wait. You've never seen this ad before?

I was,

I guess he was the narrator of it.

But the ad. He was the he's the narrator, but the phone

You've never seen the, like, this this the the the 3 steps Imac? The whole thing was, like, step 1, plug it in. Step 2, do this. There's no step 3 when you're on the Internet. It's how to get on the Internet. Yeah.

So he he doesn't appear

Well, he did appear in the in the in the next 1.

What's the next 1?

He did 1 in 19 another Imac ad.

Oh, I see. Okay. Here's another 1.

He must have done all the Imac ads back then. But

This camerawork is something. I gotta say.

It's a drone. They flew a drone around a Performa or whatever that is.

I don't see him in this 1. I don't see him in this 1 either. Is that his hand? No. That's not his hand.

I have to do everything for you, Steven. This is

great radio. You know

what I feel? I feel like

Oh 0, here. I got it.

I got it. I got it. To do everything for you.

The YouTube the YouTube algorithm. Here it is. Yeah. H f Coldwell with the, the CRTV lines.

That's Malcolm Gladwell right now.

CRTV line. Yeah. That's

From Jurassic Park.

Oh, he's still Jeff he's told Jeff Colton. Look at that. Oh, wow. Okay. Well, that'll be in the show notes.

I have no idea what we're talking about but just because they

should, just

because they could doesn't mean they should. Okay.

Yes.

Wow. The circle of we could do the whole 6 degrees of separation with Jeff Goldblum, Malcolm Gladwell.

Malcolm Gladwell. Malcolm Gladwell is a podcaster who does revisionist history. Okay? We know Malcolm Gladwell.

This week, we've reached our tipping point.

Okay. That's it. Okay. So real quick, I just wanna, complain again about digital IDs. Apple announced digital IDs in the Apple Wallet's app, what, like, 18 years ago? When was it? They've talked about a real

long time.

And now I think there's a total of 3 states that has it. It's like Idaho, Arizona, Maryland, or something like that. Anyway, Florida, which is where I live, there was a smart ID app that was on the phone that you could get a digital ID, which I did it, and I I emailed them 3 times asking about Apple Wallet support. No 1 ever got back to me.

You emailed the government agency, and no 1 got back to you? That's shocking.

Surprising. Surprising. Apparently, the the app is now, like, it doesn't do anything. So before, you could log in and actually have a digital ID, but in this janky third party app. Well, Florida just shut it off. Like, they press turn they turned it off, so there's none of that. I thought this meant it was, like, before that it was 1 step away from being in the Apple Wallet app as a thing. That was, like, part of the shtick, but no. It's, no. So I guess Florida has to start from ground 0 again.

It's not gonna happen. You should really just delete that 3rd party app.

Well, yeah. I'm gonna delete it now because it's probably probably bought by, what is that, Red Orange ad agency.

You're you're most, you know, an AI generated driver's license. I think that's a crime, actually. I don't think you're allowed to have a fake driver's license.

No. No. Yeah. You definitely can't. Yeah. YouTube don't, take yourself off the edge for that. If anybody if if any iPhone users out there actually has a digital ID in their Apple Wallet in 1 of the 3 states that support it, and it actually has worked, like, you've used it somewhere, I would like to hear from you. Social.primarytech.fm. Let us know in the community Digital ideas.

We don't need your digital ideas. We have many of those.

Digital IDs. If you have got it and it actually works, yeah, I'd like to hear about it. So alright. A personal text segment. You had our article here. It's probably something I disagree with. I haven't read it yet. Just kidding. But but you could share what

you meant. Explain yourself.

Why you should delete all the third party apps from your iPhone this summer? What are you what are you telling people to do, Jason? I

am I am advocating that there is a segment of people who might benefit from an experiment, and that experiment is sort of declaring digital bankruptcy on their devices and starting over. And here's my reason for this is that you could go through and okay. Most people get too many notifications that are useless. They have so much stuff going on. They have permissions for old apps that they've, you know, enabled a long time ago.

Probably a good idea.

Except Yeah.

That's probably a good idea.

The mobile version of Facebook's website is the worst thing ever created. And I know that the only reason that they do that is because they want you to download the app, But I feel like that is abusive. You should not intentionally make your mobile site so bad that people are tempted because, you know, I just don't use that either of them anymore, so you just lost me. You lost that bet.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway It it is really bad. So I like I like where you're going with this. I'm looking I'm in my app store right now on where you see how many apps have to be updated,

which

is this is where you kind

of go where you delete it. Long press on an app instead of clicking update, you so what I do is I go through that list. I long press on the ones, delete them, and then I just hit update all for the ones that are remaining, just to be clear.

You can you you also can just Oh, yeah. If you swipe right to left if you swipe right to left, you can

do a

little, like, delete thing on the side. But as I'm looking at this, I'm, like, ferrite. I'm keeping that loot from your app. Yes, every once in a while sometimes, Sometimes. YouTube Studio, Amazon, Amex. I mean, there are some here like good like Goodreads. I probably don't need that on my phone. Yeah. I get it. I get it. Meta business suite.

But you know, and if you did Oh,

I'm gonna delete that.

You can just re download it.

It'll take you 12 seconds. I know you just did.

Microsoft Teams

on delete. Amen. So narwhal frio, Panera Bread. I I get I get what you're saying. I guess, I'm more of a but this is so the way I run my iPhone, which I have videos on this, like, I keep 98% of my apps in the app library, and so I have 1 home screen.

Yeah. That badge doesn't mean anything.

I understand maybe it's just

it's just like a Christmas light on a tree.

Right. That's that's the thing, like, okay, if you have messages and there's a group message, you have a ton there, okay, but if your mail icon says anything between 12, 101, 473, like, that number is meaningless, Like, you have email. That's all but honestly, if you take that badge off your mail icon, the fact is still true. You have email. Like like that that badge is only signaling that you have email and lots of it and gets Yeah.

And it doesn't tell you that

you have new emails because there's no way you're, like,

oh, I had 11, 421. Now I have have 422.

Right. Like, you're you're thinking your thought process could be, did I wake up this morning? Yes. Do I have email? Yes. Like, that's if if woke up, have email. That's the shortcut. Okay? And so I just the only this is a good personal tech question. The only app that I have badges turned on for is messages.

Thanks, Nate.

That was that was that was my badge. But now I just looked at it. I have no badges now. No badges. No badges anywhere. We talked about that.

Remember, you were really ups you were really upset that I had, like, numbers that had accumulated or something like that. I think, on Slack or something like that. Really? But it but, yeah, we had this whole conversation, Steven.

No. We did. We did.

Because I randomly tweeted or threads my home screen not related to that at all.

And you're like, we need to talk about those badges. That's And

I was like, it's like, we need to talk about whatever

you want.

It's your podcast.

Is that how I say it?

No. It's not at all. What I say. Well Yeah. Okay. I think what you're saying is actually a really valid thing, except for I don't think that Apple calls them focus modes. Just wanna say that. Focuses.

No problem.

That's it. They don't use the word modes. It's kind of like it's not the iPhone. It's just iPhone. They're not focus modes.

Oh, that's good. I actually for my Macs, whenever I get a new Mac, I typically don't migration assistant it.

Mhmm.

I typically set it up as new, sign in to Icloud because I find the Mac, you know, with an iPhone, if you wanna delete an app, it's a much easier process, and I and the iPad, whereas we when you delete the app, you know everything about it is gone, because it's sandboxed. There's not, like, some library folder with support application items in your iPhone that the whatever, Uber app left behind, but the case with a Mac is stuff gets everywhere. And I have tools like Hazel and CleanMyMac X, where if I delete an app, it'll go searching through the library folder and everything, and it'll say, do you also want to delete all these support files? And then I think, yes, I think so. So, you know, I find that the Mac, starting from a fresh clean slate, is, I don't know.

I mean, you know, just make sure you back it up first. Go ahead and erase your phone. Add things back as you need them. And I even put, like, if if you if you hate this after 2 days, don't redownload everything. Just erase your phone again and then set it up from the backup. Just don't don't don't torture yourself.

Yeah. Yeah. That's for you.

So this is not a permanent thing if you have a backup. So

Yeah. You can you can do an Icloud backup and back it up to your Mac or your computer if you want. You know, it's good to have that physical backup too. And do an encrypted backup because then you'll stay on the phone.

Try to restore it and you forget your password, you just are out of luck. And then you can't readd Facebook to your phone. Now that's not true because you can just redownload it.

Exactly. Yeah. No. But I will add to your point, apps that you check whether there are notifications or not, namely, like, social media, things like that. Yeah. I could I could see that. Just delete it from your phone for a while. Just a

thought. We'll see what people think. Somebody actually thank you. I don't who was it? Somebody I went to post that article in the section, the very quiet section of our community for my articles. And someone had already posted it

this morning.

Miles, thank you for doing that.

Look at that. I mean, the community is great.

This community has posted more of my articles in this section than I have. So thank you all. I appreciate that. I will get better at it.

I. That's why I I set up a Zapier so my videos just go there automatically. But you're there's no RSS feed for your article.

And the other thing is, like, I also so if somebody posted an article I wrote about Simone Biles, it was about, like, mentorship and leaving. Like, it was I I liked it. It was a great article. I have a gymnast. So, like, there's I have a sentimental attachment to this, but I was like, I'm not gonna share that in the community.

That's amazing. That's amazing, though. Thank you, everyone in the community. Thank you for doing that. You can join the community, social.primarytech.fm. I poke around in there. If you at mention me, I definitely see it, and I think I respond to all those, so do that, or you could DM me, in the in the community as well. But we're gonna go record a bonus episode, because I'm going on a trip. We're gonna talk about, do we bring big cameras on trips or do we just bring the iPhone? Is that enough?