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Nintendo Switch 2 Specs and Pre-Order, iOS 18.4 Features, Amazon Bids to Acquire TikTok

Apr 03, 202556 minEp. 69
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Nintendo Switch 2 details plus the elaborate pre-order process, iOS 18.4 is out with new features, new podcast app, tariffs and tech, Amazon bids to aquire TikTok, and Stephen takes issues with Jason’s travel tech recommendations.


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  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (06:45) - Sigma BF Camera
  • (09:37) - Sofa App Adds Podcasts
  • (11:09) - iOS 18.4 Features
  • (13:56) - Mac Setup from iPhone
  • (18:16) - The WORST Bug
  • (21:43) - Nintendo Switch 2
  • (26:03) - 4 Lessons from Meta
  • (26:38) - Sponsor: Notion
  • (28:29) - Tariffs and Tech
  • (34:43) - Amazin Bids for TikTok
  • (41:09) - xAI Acquires X
  • (45:58) - Jason's Travel Tech
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Transcript

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

If I'm gonna get busted, it's not gonna be by a guy like that. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. This week, iOS 18 dot four came out, info about the Nintendo Switch two and how you can preorder it, what they're doing to prevent scalpers. Tariffs is probably gonna make your Apple products more expensive later this year. Jason reviewed the Sigma BF camera, and we have a bunch of other news.

This episode is brought to you by Notion, which we're using right now for our show notes, and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, obviously joining from a different location you're watching us on YouTube. But I have here my friend, Jason Aitin, at his usual location. How's it going, Jason?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I'm I'm good. You're, like, so discombobulated today, and I love it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I'm I'm a little discombobulated. I'm in I'm in a hotel room. I'm using a different mic, and my hand's cramping, but I'm I'm I'm trying my best not to move it at all.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You got your x m four.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

This is a Shure m v six, by the way. Just saying.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. I'm talking about your headphones. You're right.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I have my x m fives because I'm using wired headphones. That's right. And I have my MacBook Air. This is the first podcast I've recorded on this, and, I have no screen real estate. So, like, I can't I can only see one thing at a time. I'm either looking at you, I'm looking at the movie quote, or I'm looking at Notion. It's one one of the three.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's great. So, yeah, the movie was Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Thank you. Yes. Because at least, well, Google told me because I've actually never seen that movie. You can berate me about that later. I guess that movie takes place in Chicago according to Google.

Jason AtenJason Aten

The for a guy with a movie podcast, your your anthology of the movies you haven't seen is pretty big.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I mean, maybe, but first people's day off is, like, 19 it it came out the day the year I was born. So I was zero when that movie came out. And I don't think there was, like you know what I mean? Was, like, right before me.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. They but, you know, there was a period of your life where DVDs were invented, and there were stores you could go to and you could borrow the DVDs and stuff like that. And, actually, probably you have a library. Anyway, my point is there's 1,700 streaming services right now, and I bet you that this one is like there's I bet you there's a cable channel that just plays it day all day. Like Christmas story.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Even in the middle of whatever month we're in. I don't even know what month it is right now. April. We're in April. I'm in We are now in April. We are now in April. I'm in Chicago.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Change is not that I mean, it's an hour different. It's not actually a month different between us.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. I went through a time a wormhole. I'm in Chicago because I'm at Podcast Movement Conference, and, I'm the closest to you I've probably ever been, when traveling. You're you're just a few hours away. I'm in Chicago.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Normally, if we're closer than this, it's because I came to Florida.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's right. That's right. But then we don't record. We only go to First Watch, and we have brunch.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's true. We have breakfast.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yep. Yeah. That's right. But yeah. So I'm here and still recording. And, yeah, I'll post a picture of my behind the scenes, like, setup here. Got my Osmo as my webcam, my m v six. Anyway, I don't know what's happening. Hopefully, we're gonna get through this. We're gonna get through this together.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I'm just happy because this is the first time we've recorded when my video looks better than yours.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. It does. It definitely does. I'm using the portrait mode of the built in Mac because apparently the Mac wants you to do something with reactions and anyway, we're gonna talk about that. The annoying pop up.

I want us to do some five star review shout outs. We did get I'm so I'm sorry to everyone who has been trying so hard to get us back to a five star show. We did have one one star rating this past week. And, you know, I'm not gonna call them out, but it was apparently that they felt like we were too political during our signal discussion. And I just wanna say, when there is news that has to do with tech and the Venn diagram of politics crosses over, I mean, we can't avoid it.

You have to talk about it. And there's even a couple topics today where the you know, whatever choices or things are done here in The United States. Again, this is strictly United States usually, and the EU talking about, you know, their their laws. We gotta talk about it. And, like, tariffs are probably gonna make products more expensive.

And so that's, like, tech news, and it matters because people usually buy tech stuff. And so, you know, if that offends you, I'm not gonna say we're sorry, but just we try to keep it as as unbiased as possible just sharing the news and then maybe our thoughts on what it means for users and customers and things like that. But, anyway, that's all I

Jason AtenJason Aten

wanna say. Yeah. Let me just say one thing about that. Yeah. Steve, I was gonna try to skip right over

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

the No. No. I knew you gonna say something. Go ahead.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. First, I actually wanna give credit to the person who left us that review because not they didn't just leave us a one star rating.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

They actually wrote a review

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

They did.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Which means they put their name on it. So I do appreciate that. That is much better than people who just try to snipe you with one star Snipe. Ratings and then just, like, leave it there. So that's great.

But I will just echo what Steven said. I think that we have done a pretty good job of of not getting political about things, but it is it just it's just impossible nowadays to talk about what we talk about and not have it cross over into an area where some people are gonna just no matter it doesn't matter which side you find yourself on, you're gonna hear what we say and think, oh, they're on the other side. And I promise you that if you think that you've figured out which side either of us are on, you're you're probably actually wrong.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And it's really

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, just

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And it's really not trying to you know, if if we genuinely think a decision is bad from either side, I feel like we should be able to say that and say, like, this is probably a bad law. You know, we talk about, you know, the EU Digital Markets Act and the whole web browser choice screen. We talked about it on the show, and I think we both agreed that was, like, a silly decision, and it's not a good user experience. That's just sharing how we feel about it, and no one gave us a one star review for that. But, you know Yep.

So anyway, that's that. But but we have a bunch of five star reviews because they're still trying to help us out. So Mark Raz from Sri Lanka, international listener. That's awesome. Titan seventy three from The USA. She recently discovered us in his binging the back catalog. That's dedication because that's all it's old news, but we appreciate it. But there's also We

Jason AtenJason Aten

do appreciate it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's awesome. But we also do, like, personal second stuff that might be green you know, evergreen. So that's cool. Yeah. Pineapple six six seven, and this is I I want all of these. Battery oh, no. Battery percentage on. You want that. But Apple pencil towards volume buttons, phone and dominant hand pocket, dots on. So I'll take the three out of four. That's good. Dubbzxn two from The USA. PBN Jason, this is not you. Right? You didn't do this.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. No. I promise.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. Good. Because they said we're their favorite tech podcast. So thank you for that.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, that part's true.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I I

Jason AtenJason Aten

also think this is my favorite Chuck podcast.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Very good. And then Greeny 24 from The USA. They bought a Blu ray drive that I recommended, and, they're ripping away. So that's, yeah, that's fun doing that too. Alright. Let's do, actually follow-up. We don't need to do, like, follow-up follow-up. Let's do

Jason AtenJason Aten

We've literally never done follow ups.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I think we've ever done follow ups. So we'll do a quick one follow-up, and you talked about the Sigma BF camera in our bonus episode just for subscribers and paying members, but you've now posted a review on ink.com. So I'll put that link in the show notes, but, yeah, nice picture. What did you now wait a minute. What did you take the picture of the BF camera with? That's the question.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I was hoping somebody would ask about that because in all of the pictures so in all of the pictures I took with the Sigma BF, I indicated shot with

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Shot with the Sigma.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. So people would so people would know. Yeah. I just shot those with my Nikon d six two. Okay. But I don't z six two. Excuse me. But I did not put that in

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

In the article.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's it's actually kinda meta when you're writing a review about a camera because you have to take pictures of the camera with a different camera. Some of the pictures in your article are not going to be about the, are not gonna be taken by

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

the camera.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Viewing. So, anyway, it was yeah. So I just we talked about this on the, on our bonus episode last week, and so I just wanted to I published the review this morning. I will say I was impressed with this camera. I actually think that if someone is looking for something that is more capable than an iPhone, but you just aren't interested in getting into, like, a full fledged system, I think this is a pretty reasonable option.

It's very portable. It's it's it's small enough. It is a little heavier than you might expect from a camera of this size because a lot of the cameras that are this size are made out of, you know, some aluminum and mostly plastic. Right. But, but it's great. The pictures are, like, fantastic. It has a couple film simulation modes

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's cool.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That are very good. They're not quite on the same level as the Fuji, but, yeah, I I think it was a lot of fun. It was delightful. I was upfront with my headline. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.

And mostly that was because I didn't think it could hold up to scrutiny for how how photographers actually use cameras. And I put in my review, I said the ultimate test of any camera is how does it handle an energetic toddler. And I don't we don't have any of those in our house anymore. So I actually recruited some, some friends of ours, and we recorded it. And I went and did a family shoot with them just like I would, like, any other type of thing.

And it was in the I wanted to know, like, how does it handle different lighting conditions in autofocus? And it was spot on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So The photos look amazing. You know, obviously, we already talked about it, and we shared those pictures early. So if you support the show, you already saw those. But we'll check out the link. I am tempted by this camera even though I have no reason to have it just because it looks so cool, but you probably won't be able to it

Jason AtenJason Aten

for real. And before anyone asks, I didn't really do any video testing with it because one, I don't do much in the way of video, and two, it doesn't have an internal cam or, internal microphone at all, so you'd have to attach something to it. And so I just I didn't I skipped that part. So don't don't ask me about it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So how's the, no. Just kidding. So b roll. It's like a b roll camera, basically. Like, no audio. Maybe just camera

Jason AtenJason Aten

USB c for data, so you could plug in, like, DJI mic stuff to it. You could do that. I just I just didn't care.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Yeah. Well, very cool. Well, that article is in the show notes. Also, is not follow-up, but I wanted to mention the Sofa app.

If you're not familiar, I love the Sofa app. It's by a singular developer. It is a great app for, like, keeping track of movies you want to watch or have watched, books, games. I actually use it to as my, like, what movies do we is on the list that we wanna watch as a family or individually? Well, he's added podcasts of support into the Sofa app, and it's like it looks like a pretty decent podcast player.

Just came out yesterday, so I haven't had a chance to check it out. But, Primary Technology is actually featured in a lot of the images, so you actually see us in, like, the UpNext, and, you'll see the artwork somewhere. But it looks really cool. I'm gonna play around with it. But if you wanted to test out another podcast app and just use Sofa for, like, saving movies you wanna watch or whatever, that's a pretty significant update.

And, I loved it before, and so I'm gonna be doing a video comparing this with, like, other newer podcast apps because there's been a lot of new ones recently. So be on the lookout for that, but pretty cool. Do you use Sofa? Do you use Sofa?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. It's good to I might give it a try, but I just don't really have a spot for it in my life.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

What do

Jason AtenJason Aten

do They don't do that thing where I, like, wanna pin movies to watch later or something.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So do you have any place where you like, a note or whatever where you're like, oh, yeah. Wanna watch that movie sometime.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. We usually sit down in front of the computer, open every streaming app, go through the catalog, and then go to

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And then go to bed.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Hours and we couldn't find anything.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

See, that's why you use an app like Sofa, so you don't do that. You you, you know, you hear a movie or you remember, like, an old movie that you saw as a kid and now you wanna show your kids. That's that's what I use. Sofa, I put them in there.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Alright.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Just say you should try it out. IOS 18 dot four came out earlier this week for everyone. It's publicly available. I'll put a link to my video about it, where I go about all the features. I say 15 new features. One of those features is the volume icon in the control center changes to blue when you drag the volume up and down, which is not really a huge feature.

Jason AtenJason Aten

But you're being generous.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Calling it a feature. But there's, like, visual intelligence is now on the iPhone 15 Pro. So if you had a 15 Pro and you wanted to try that, you could do it. Plus you can map visual intelligence to the action button or in a control center widget, there's ambient music features. The news plus recipes is probably one of the bigger features, or something that you could try.

You have to be subscribed to Apple News plus or have it in your, like, Apple One bundle. But, it's a pretty cool feature. You can, like it gives you the ingredients, the cook time. You can browse by categories, and then you can even, like, set timers while you're reading the recipe. There's, like, a cook button.

And you could say, let's cook it, and it'll go into, this reader mode, and then you can, like, set timers just by tapping it in the instructions, which is pretty cool. So I'll put a link to my video in the show notes, but it's fun. I don't know I don't know if Val use it,

Jason AtenJason Aten

but I want if any of our p if any of my PR friends at Apple listen to our podcast, I would like to, like, talk to the product person for this recipes thing because I still can't figure out why it's a part of News Plus.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I feel like they wanted it to be part of, like, under a paywall somewhere. And then where else would where would you put it? They would probably they wouldn't wanna do a standalone app because standalone apps are usually free, like the Apple Invotes.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Except for the they just did one. The invites app, like, most of those features are part of iCloud plus.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. But you could download it for free. And so, like, it would be a pretty bad experience if, like, you had to down like, if you downloaded the food plus app and it just said, subscribe. I feel like that's against

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. But maybe I I think Apple could figure out the freemium thing where it's like

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's true.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You get to look at this stuff, but if you want the timers and the You know? By step and add them to your your,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

you know,

Jason AtenJason Aten

shopping list, you have to pay.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You or you don't get the ingredients. Kidding me. You get you get half the ingredient list, and then it's blurred out. The second thing.

Jason AtenJason Aten

In fact, now I'm thinking that was the original plan that Tim Cook came up with, and someone was like, dude, let's just stick it in noosebumps.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Stick it in noosebumps. Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It is worth the grief. And it's it's kinda weird

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

to get to. You have to go to, like, this this magnifying glass tab and then go and then there's, like, the food plus section. It's not even, like, one of the main tabs on the bottom. So so When you

Jason AtenJason Aten

say the magnifying glass tab, is that the search tab? Is that what you mean by Yeah.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. I didn't know if it actually said search or browse, and so I didn't wanna, like it's the no. See? It's not. It's the following. Another reason to update your phone, which you wrote an article about this. One feature I actually didn't cover in my video is, it's one of the best features yet according to this Inc.com article. Why don't you tell me about the feature since I didn't

Jason AtenJason Aten

cover it? Be clear. This is this is tricky because it is tangentially an iOS 18.4 feature in the sense that your iPhone has to have I iOS 18.4 on it, but it's actually a Mac OS

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Fifteen fifteen to 15.4. Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Feature where now if you buy a new Mac and you didn't have a Mac before, you can use your phone to set up your Mac in the same way that you could previously use your phone to set up a phone or use your Mac to set up a Mac. Yeah. And it will log into your Apple account. I think that's what we call it now. Your Apple account.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's your Apple ID iCloud mobile me account. That's what it's called.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's yes. It's your

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's your iWeb account.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Anyway, that thing Yes. You just log into that and it will it will copy that information over. It'll start downloading all your iCloud data like your photos. If you use iCloud to store stuff, iCloud Drive, it'll start doing that.

And that way when you download apps, it will sync all that stuff with iCloud as well. I think this is smart. And the reason I call it one of its best features yet is I think that this is the type of feature that is easy to overlook, but does the thing that Apple does best, which is just make your computer work the way that it should work. And if you have spent years setting up iPhones by just bringing them close together or a watch, the fact that you can now do that on your Mac is, I think, it really streamlines that. And it's also super good for Apple because now think about the number of, like, students who have iPhones and Chromebooks, and they're about to go off to college, and they're like, can I throw the Chromebook away, please?

I need a Mac, but they don't have they can't use migration assistant to go from a different Mac, but now you can literally have all of your stuff right there.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yes.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And I, you know, I compared it the list of things like continuity cam camera, universal clipboard, sidecar. Yep. Those types of things that are just, like, features that are baked in when you're a part of the entire ecosystem that like, the real reason I can't switch to Windows isn't because of some, like, Linux kernel or we you know, whatever, like, the Unix kernel in the base. It's those types of features that really make using your computer easy.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

100%. And, like, I I have a Nothing Phone three a. I've I've flashed it on this podcast a couple times. And I was like, I wanna I wanna use this to like, for a full weekend, total like, put my iPhone in a drawer so I can really give it a go. And I could say, what what is it like to use this phone full time?

And so I did I started doing that, and then I sat down and we were gonna watch something. And I went to go to the Apple TV remote on my phone, and I was like, oh, wait a minute. There I can't do that from the Android phone. Right. And, like, I can't control my smart home from here.

And it was, like, just the minutes in, there was already too much friction to be like, well, let me just get my iPhone. So it's all those, like you're saying, those continuity features where it's and and I think there are apps maybe, like, that you do universal clipboard from Android to Windows. I'm not sure. I feel like I don't know if I would trust them, but but all of that, it's just quality of life. They're great they're great features.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Now maybe maybe, not to get political, maybe we're gonna have to see Apple, like, open up some of these features to third parties.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Never happened. Didn't do you remember

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, DOJ is literally suing over,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

like I know. The Apple Watch

Jason AtenJason Aten

and AirPods and that kind of stuff. Yeah. So

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

we'll see. Dan, is this a fever dream, or do you also remember when FaceTime was announced with the iPhone four that Steve Jobs said they were gonna open source it, and they were gonna make it available for other platforms? It wasn't that didn't he say that?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I think you're right.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I thought

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't know why, like, whatever happened. They they, you know, they they promised that they were going to do that. I'm guessing the reason that they didn't is that one, none of the other platforms cared. Right? Like, they didn't want to.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Sure.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Because you can now sort of, like

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You can send a link.

Jason AtenJason Aten

FaceTime, but it's still Apple software. Yeah. Exactly.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It there's no FaceTime app on it.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It doesn't work with Google Meet.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. Right. I think it was just a no one reads books anymore moment where it was like, you know, this, but then that. So, anyway, that was a cool feature. The setup with your iPhone's kinda like how setting up a new Apple TV, you can, like, hold your iPhone close to it and, you know, does all that.

But there's another feature. This is not a feature. This is a bug, and it it is the worst. And it is this message reaction. And this is, like, all over the Internet now where anytime your camera or any camera or you open your, you know, meeting software, we're using Riverside.

Anytime the camera's accessed, macOS pops up this thing telling you to turn on reactions, which is a bad idea because then you're just gonna get a thumbs up during a very serious meeting or something, or you're gonna send fireworks as you're being laid off.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Let me explain what happened here. Okay. When the it was WWDC, what, like, 2022, '20 '20 '3. I can't remember which year it was. When they rolled out these reactions features, and I actually thought it was pretty cool at the time. The problem was this was still when a lot of things were happening on, like, Zoom, for example, and you might show up to a memorial service on Zoom, and suddenly you're scratching your brow with your thumb up and, like, fireworks go off or

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

something. Lasers.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And it just or you're in, like, this the others are reports of people, like, in therapy and, like Oh, yeah. Know, the in the therapist, like, does this just to, like, is an encouraging thing. All of a sudden,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

like, bubbles are coming

Jason AtenJason Aten

up or

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

something. Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And it was a bad thing. So Apple made it so that the third party software like Zoom or Google Meet or whatever could, by default, deactivate reactions. So the the software can decide that. So Zoom just decided, nope. We're turning it off. Same thing here is, like, Riverside is like, no. Let's not have reactions on. You can go back and turn them on. You can click on the little thing and turn them on. Right.

So if someone at Apple thought it was important to put up a notification to tell you that this feature you don't care about has been turned off by the software you're using Mhmm. And that you should turn it back on by clicking on the little green thing. And you're looking at this and you're like, well, I just want the notification to go away. So what do you do, Steven?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You click the x.

Jason AtenJason Aten

If you want notification away. What would you do?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You click the x. It's right there.

Jason AtenJason Aten

If there's an x there, you would click on the x. But, Steven, what would happen if you clicked on that x? Now, I mean, if looking at the picture, nothing will happen because it's a photograph. But guess what? In the real notification, the x does nothing.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Nothing. It's so annoying.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Literally does nothing. You can click on it. Like, I watched one of my kids click on it for, like, three minutes the other day, and I'm like, just click on the green micro

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And then it goes away, which is

Jason AtenJason Aten

And then it goes away.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So weird.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You know what's really weird? If you click on the green The camera. Camera.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It doesn't bring down the drop down menu. It just makes the notification go away. Like, is like first of all, the notification should not exist. No one needs this. No one needs to know that Zoom or Brave has turned off reactions. What is the worst thing that's gonna happen? You're gonna be sitting in the meeting and you're gonna do a thumbs wait. You got your reactions on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I just know I just did a manual thumbs down.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. But, like, you like, no one has ever, like, been sitting in a meeting, did a thumbs up, and was disappointed the reactions didn't go off. And if you did, it was just because you're being goofy and you just go do what you just did.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Exactly.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No one needs a notification, but if it's going to be there, Apple, you have to you have to fix this. If you have not noticed, like, it has been trending on threads and Reddit

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

and Yes.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Twitter, and people are just mad about this.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Yeah. But here here's a there you go. If you're watching on YouTube, I just put fireworks on.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And I texted you back in December, and I was like, what the heck is going on? Yeah. Why is this happening?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You did. You could and you you would have been the first. You would have been the first in the wave to notice this.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I should have written about it then.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But, anyway, yeah, it's annoying. Hopefully, I guess 15.4 1 maybe. We'll see if that comes out soon. But, yeah, that's annoying. Now what's not annoying, Nintendo Switch two. And I know we don't talk a lot about video games on this podcast, but I'm excited about the Switch two because, I'm a Smash Bros fan. I'm a longtime Nintendo fan. There's some interesting things. The Switch two is more expensive. First of all, I think it's a hundred and $50 more than the previous model.

It's gonna be it was $4.04

Jason AtenJason Aten

49, 4 50.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

4 fifth $450. It is still an LCD screen, so it's not OLED like the Switch OLED.

Jason AtenJason Aten

The Switch OLED.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's kinda weird. It's ten eighty p resolution on the actual Switch, but then when you put it in the dock, you do finally get four k out of a Nintendo Switch, which has not been the case. The the old Switch, even in the dock, was ten eighty p. So we finally got four k. There's more internal storage, 256 gigabytes.

And there's a bunch of new accessories that Nintendo is going to release with this, but notably one of them is a camera. And so there's you can buy this camera. It's called the Switch two camera for $50. Connects via USB C. You can also just connect a USB C webcam.

It says that some work with it in the fine print. You don't necessarily have to buy Nintendos, although it has seemingly a nice little stand or whatever. But you can use your own USB C stand. But there's a couple interesting things. One, they're introducing game chat.

It's actually gonna be a button on the Switch controllers to interact with other players. And this has been something that Nintendo hasn't really done, to, you know, to talk to other players through this kind of stuff. I don't even know in Fortnite if that was a thing, if you played Fortnite on the Switch. But but I guess there's gonna be more interaction with online friends or other gamers. And the preorder process is really interesting.

So they're trying to cut down on scalpers and stuff. And so you have to basically, like, sign in with your Nintendo online account if you wanna try and get on the early preorders. And when you sign in, you show what interest you have in what model. And you'll only be able to preorder if you have something like, I think it was seventy something played hours on your on Nintendo Switch online account. So they're gonna check how many hours you've actually played on the Switch, and only if you've actually played can you even preorder the Switch too, which, I mean, it seems like a pretty genius way to, like, limit the amount of scalping you can do on this.

And I'm I'm concerned because my son's been playing on his PlayStation more than the Switch, so hopefully, we have that many hours. I don't know if we do. But

Jason AtenJason Aten

I think it's fifty hours, but, yeah, that is still a really interesting it's like, if you haven't been I'm gonna write I'm gonna write about this. But if you're not a big enough fan, we won't take your money and

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

give you this thing. Exactly. Which which, again, like, of all the game systems, again, I don't I don't do this very often, but the Nintendo Switch, though I remember the Wii, when the Wii came out. Nintendo game consoles are just notoriously hard to get on launch day because, you know, I don't know if there's been preorders on past game systems, but it's just people go nuts. And they they just buy it, and then people buy multiple to then scalp it.

Then you can get, you know, Switch on eBay for a thousand dollars when it really only cost 300 news. So I I totally get why they're doing that. And, I guess you'll only if you sign up so I actually did this. I I signed up with my Nintendo online account so I can hopefully preorder it. I believe April 9 will be the first wave of preorders or something like that if you do this early sign up, but you only have seventy two hours.

Nintendo's gonna send you an email letting you preorder it, and you only have seventy two hours to respond, and then you lose that preorder status. And then you'll have to just see if you can get one on launch day, which is in June, I believe. So, yeah, Nintendo's, really doing it, but Switch two. And the game, the Joy Cons, we can actually turn into mice, which is super weird.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Do you remember, Steven, when people were scalping the Vision Pro for, like, $5 then shortly after launch because you couldn't get those either?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That that's wow. I do remember that name.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Bought one for more money than $3,500, I wanna hear from you. I wanna know how you feel about that now.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

They feel bad. I can tell you that.

Jason AtenJason Aten

But if you were one of the geniuses that's because right now, if you buy one on eBay, it's, like, $40 and throw in a box of Wheaties, and I'll send it to you.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So it's so bad. Alright. So we we do have to talk about say, I'm gonna save it for after the break. I wanna mention tariffs, mention so who's interested in buying TikTok, and we'll talk a little bit about AI and things like that. But, before we get to the break, Jason had one other follow-up article. Last week, we talked about the tell all meta book, and now you've, you've written a thing to so if you don't wanna read the book, can go read Jason's article.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I I did I did the work for you. I read the whole thing, and I just summarized the four most surprising leadership

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Lessons. Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Lessons that you could get out of that book. So and, basically, it's just like, don't be a bad person.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I feel like that's leadership and life, I feel like. Right? That's everything. Evergreen principle. Evergreen principle, don't be a jerk. That's all you gotta do. Alright. We'll we'll link that article in the show notes too, and check it out. Alright. Let's thank today's sponsor, which is Notion.

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But the bottom line is Trump announced a bunch of tariffs yesterday, sweeping tariffs across multiple countries, including China, where many products come from, Apple products. 46% tariff for Vietnam, which we talked about on a past episode. The m four MacBook Air, which I'm using right now to record this episode, came from Vietnam. And so this laptop, in a couple days, would have had a tariff applied to it, as Apple tried to bring it over into The United States. So there's sweeping tariffs.

Not sure what this means for other countries, and how they will respond, but I do think I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but pretty guaranteed, like, things are likely to get more expensive. Correct?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, that's the point of tariffs is to make things more expensive because you want no. No. I mean, like, for real, like, the whole point of a tariff is you charge a tax on an imported good. Right. The theory is that it incentivizes companies to instead make those goods in The United States instead of making them overseas.

And but, of course, like, the problem with that is that, like, you can't just randomly start making MacBook Airs in The United States. You have to have a factory, so you have to build a factory, so you have to do all those things. So in the meantime, if you add I think Vietnam is, like, I don't know, 64% or it's, like, 40 some percent tariff that they've added to those goods. That price is going to have to get added because if if if a MacBook Air selling price is a thousand dollars 46% for Vienna. The MacBook Air is a thousand dollars.

That's a $460 tariff on that. I promise you Apple's not going to eat that cost. Right? Right. There there's just no way.

And so that price will get passed on to consumers. There's obviously the possibility that the administration can offer exemptions for certain things. There's some talk about the whole like, China, the tariffs have gotten extremely high because what was announced yesterday is on top of, like, the 20% that was already offered there. And it's like, well, maybe we lower the tariffs if you're willing to sell TikTok or something like that. Like, there there is no. I mean, like, I'm not even

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Yeah. That was

Jason AtenJason Aten

the the kind of thing that's happening right now is these kind of negotiations. This tank the stock market is not responding well to this Right. Because the cost of all of these things is going to go up in a way that neither the companies nor consumers can absorb. So you can just imagine if everything that Apple imports goes up by 46, people will just stop buying Apple stuff, and that's not good for Apple's shareholders because it's not you know what I mean? And so this this has got some very real impact on, like, the stuff that we all buy.

I just put in my preorder or my register, my interest for this switch because I'm like, well, can we get it before the tariffs? No. You can't.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

No. You can't.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, it's not gonna work that way. So it's gonna be it's gonna be, one, interesting to see how these companies decide to handle this. Some of them are probably going to be able to find ways to be somewhat exempt. Like, Apple has done a very good job of this in the past. But, again, like, this is pretty across the board, and, and it's just it's gonna be really difficult.

I think one of the prevailing mentalities is, like, most other companies I mean, most other countries, excuse me, charge pretty significant tariffs on goods coming from The United States, which disadvantages US producers of these products. Right? And so by adding a tariff on the imported version, it's meant to sort of balance that out so that it incentivizes, like, fine. You're gonna charge us a tariff, then we will disadvantage your producers if you're gonna try to import them here. And the the hope is, like, the whole point of a trade war is somebody will eventually be like, you know, okay.

Fine. I give. And and then you can deescalate it. The question is like, well, when when when is that part going to happen? Because until then, things are just gonna be very expensive.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I'm curious. Do you think Apple will raise any prices before the new iPhone comes out in September, or will they wait for that new product cycle to possibly increase prices, like, with the new phone?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. I think, one, Apple has incredibly smart people trying to figure that question out.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Two, so I think there's a couple possibilities. I think what has made all of this difficult is that if you remember so when I said the thing about the TikTok sale, I actually mean that quite seriously. I think that there's a view inside the administration that tariffs can be used as a negotiating position. Right. If you don't do this thing we want, then we're going to put this tariff on your goods.

And so so that's actually a valid, like, negotiating position. If you need a country to do a thing so for example, with Canada and Mexico, the argument was we're gonna put tariffs on your goods unless you do something to stop the flow of narcotics into our country across the border. I don't know if any of that stuff is true, but, like, that was the argument. Okay? I'm not passing judgment. I'm not being political. I'm just explaining what happened.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's what happened.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I just wanna be clear. And so but then, like, on day one, they were, like, delayed. Right? And then they were reduced, and then they were this, and then there's so I think what's hard for some of the companies is it's like, we actually don't know.

Do we take it seriously or not? Is this a real thing? And it makes it very hard to plan because if you don't know if the tariffs are actually gonna go into effect, then you don't know, like, how do we adjust our prices? So I'm sure there are actuaries at Apple that are figuring all of these things out and trying to decide, like, what the prices should be. I think, a, it's likely that when the next round of whatever a product is that comes out, that it could be more expensive.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Mhmm.

Jason AtenJason Aten

The other thing is I think that there are gonna be cases, and I don't know if this is true with Apple because Apple is so large at scale, and it would be pretty devastating to them both as a brand and as a business. But I think we're gonna start to see companies that are like, actually, that thousand dollar MacBook Air is now $1,300.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That would stink. Well, we'll see. The tariffs go in effect, like, in days. Like, this is not this

Jason AtenJason Aten

is not something that's, like,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

weeks and months away.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. The first round goes into effect in, like, less than a week.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. I'm trying to see it here in the verge article, but, yeah, it's, like, less less than a week. So, anyway, we'll see we'll see what happens, to the prices of things. Also, like you just mentioned, the the TikTok, will someone buy TikTok? This has been a long time coming where the administration Trump administration delayed this TikTok ban.

If you remember that TikTok went dark for, like, half a day or, like, six hours or whatever. Then it came back because this this was delayed. But we're still running up on a deadline where, there's a law that has passed that TikTok needs to change or dive you know, needs to divest and have a different like, a a US owner or some at least stakeholder. I'm not exactly sure what the requirement is, but companies are making bids to buy TikTok. And we have pontificated in the past what US companies might be interested.

And apparently, Amazon is very interested in buying TikTok. Others include, technology giant Oracle and Blackstone, the private equity firm. You might have heard that name elsewhere. But and and there's, like, weird deals where it might be, like, multiple investors that will then buy part of TikTok, and so they'll be not just owned by one like Amazon, but there'll be multiple stakeholders. So curious again.

And this and this ban, I think, again, is just, like, days away, which so something has to happen off the Saturday. The Saturday deadline

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yep.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That TikTok has to change its ownership, structure. So we'll see. I mean, is it is it possible the administration can delay it again, or does it actually have to happen right now?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, is it possible?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I guess anything's possible. Let

Jason AtenJason Aten

me just do the quick recap on this if you don't mind. So Please. Right? There's a law passed a little over a year. It was, like, April twenty fourth of last year.

I mean, that's when it was signed by Joe Biden who president at the time that said that TikTok had to they listed them as a company, you know, as a company that was controlled by a foreign adversary. So the law says essentially that they cannot be owned by any any their owners can't be controlled by a foreign adversary, which is China in this case. So it has to have an American owner. Okay? What that actually means, maybe it's up to some interpretation.

Could you just have a bunch of American investors pump a bunch of money into TikTok? And so now they have 50.1% of it. And now is it American owned? That's not I don't think what the law means. It's like, it has to have an American owner.

It has to become owned by a company in The US. And so it is weird that they're now talking about, like, they may have to delay things again because the the current delay, the seventy five day delay because this law went into effect on January 19, and the supreme court upheld it. The current delay was just Trump saying to the department of justice, don't enforce this law for seventy five days. Like, there was actually no mechanism in the law for the delay that is currently happening. The only delay that was allowed was a ninety day delay to finalize a deal, but there was no deal in place at the time.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right? So this was just literally a letter from Donald Trump to the Department of Justice and then the Department of the Attorney General writing a letter to Apple and Google saying it's cool if you put it in the App Store. Right? Because if you remember, Google and Apple had taken it out of the App Store, and it was out of the App Store for, like, more than a month.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. And

Jason AtenJason Aten

so it is back now. So so what happens on Saturday? I think that unless there's an actual deal, it goes it's no longer going to be available in the App Store. Right? And we could be in a situation again where all of the content on TikTok is served up, I think, mostly by Oracle and potentially AWS as well.

Like, those companies will be prohibited from doing that. So now you asked, is it possible they could delay it again? Under the law, no. Like, there is no legal mechanism to do that. I'm not entirely sure if that matters. Right? Because at this point, like no. No. And then I'm, again, I'm not trying

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

to be political, but, like

Jason AtenJason Aten

Oh, no. I think we've seen that it doesn't really seem to matter because it's like if if the Department of Justice who is the people who would enforce the law are told by the president don't enforce the law, it doesn't really matter what the law says.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You just gonna keep up. But you are gonna have companies at some point like Apple and Google heard me like, you gotta figure this out because we can't keep living in this limbo. Right. Because they would be exposing themselves to enormous liability down the road Right. For continuing to break the law.

And I don't think that they want to do that. So I don't I don't know. Like, Amazon actually makes sense, but it sounds like according to the New York Times that no one's taking it seriously. Right? Like, the other company that's put in a bid is Applovin, which they, like, monetize apps.

They're, like, a giant ad marketplace and app discovery and analytics and all that kind of stuff. And they're, like, a hundred billion dollar company. Like, they could probably I think it's they wanna buy it, and they want I think it's Steve Wynn, the casino guy, who is gonna, like, help finance it or whatever. So there's there are some things that are happening, but it's it's so funny to me that it all happens at the last minute. It's like you've got a year.

Right? Like, a year to figure this out, and it just you cannot whip up a you cannot whip up a deal like this over a weekend. It just doesn't work that way.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

This will be honest, though. This was me in college. I had all semester to write the paper. I was not writing it until two days before, likely one day.

Jason AtenJason Aten

But the paper didn't cost

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

you $80,000,000,000. I mean No. But

Jason AtenJason Aten

Like, you need lawyers and banks and merger and analysts and consultants, and you gotta figure out, like, how do I make a business case? Because no matter what company buys this, they're gonna get sued by shareholders. Like, that's the board is gonna get sued. Like, that's a % guarantee. Like, it's just gonna happen.

Like, that's just the cost of doing business. So you have to have all of your ducks in a row. So that's why I say, like, companies like Apple and Google, they take this kind of thing very seriously because no matter what the Department of Justice says, we they may not prosecute you for this. You're going to like, they're accountable to the board of directors is accountable to shareholders, and they don't wanna be sued. Right?

Like, they don't wanna be held liable for, you know, securities fraud because you ignored a federal law that says you can't do this thing and now late like, it's just it gets complicated.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's complicated. Well, we'll see what happens on Saturday.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Please no please no one star reviews. I'm just telling you what I'm just telling you guys There's no there's

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

no floating. I think we should say not to be political, but then be something totally unrelated. Like, not to be political, but visual intelligence. Poor. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. It is not well, it's great. No. Just kidding. Alright. Well, one of the couple of quick pieces of news, and then I wanna get on to Jason for his travel accessory article on Inc.com. This one

Jason AtenJason Aten

Which I thought was the most benign safe article I've literally ever read. Not huge. Even has a problem with.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Well, two things. But, anyway, I will talk talk about it in second. We'll talk about it in a second. Did Elon Musk announced to OnX that his AI company, xAI, has acquired X, the social media platform, for in an all stock transaction. So now they are one company. I I have not seen any changes in terms of service or really any articles. I I don't think about, like, what this might mean for content on x and training the models, but curious acquisition. Talk to me about this. Because I

Jason AtenJason Aten

I I asked you,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

like, what what does this actually mean?

Jason AtenJason Aten

See, see, see, it was like, do I keep posting to X? What's going on? Now the reality is X has been sharing all of its content with XAI anyway.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Well and let me say one thing. I've I we we can talk about ChadGPT and the Studio Ghibli thing in a second, but I I anything I post online anywhere, I assume will be some model. I mean, ChadGPT, you can ask it anything, and it will answer you. It's been trained on everything. And so, yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. Well, let me just say something about that really quickly. There is a difference between asking ChatGPT a question and having it be able to find information on the Internet because it has a search capability. That doesn't mean that the model was trained on that information. Right.

Those are two separate and distinct things. The model training is sort of how it processes that and understands it, and there's a lot of knowledge that goes into that, but that is meant to, like, form the way that the model works.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Which is separate from if I publish something today and you ask ChatGPT about it, it's gonna be able to find the article, and it's gonna be able to summarize it for you, but it wasn't trained on

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

it. But but when you ask ChatGPT write something in the style of Jason Aitin, if it can do it, that lends itself to like, it was actually ingested a bunch of your work.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Probably. So that's the only way it could do that. Pretty good. Pretty good. Pretty likely.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Pretty likely. And even I feel like this is even earlier, Chatuchipiti days. MKBHD made a video where he asked Chatuchipiti to write an intro to the video in his style, and it did it. And it knew how to do it. So it was clearly trained on at least his YouTube videos, likely all of YouTube, most of YouTube.

Jason AtenJason Aten

So Not only that, but what didn't he ask Sora to make a video of a tech YouTuber? And it had his plan. His plan. Yeah. Exactly. So it's like, clearly,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

you're not just searching right now and doing that. Like, you have been trained. Because I was, like, generating images. So

Jason AtenJason Aten

anyway Okay. So the XAI thing. So this is another thing that's interesting because what does it actually mean? Very little, except for to the essentially, what they're gonna do is create a holding company that will own both of those two companies, XAI and X. The the reason that this happened is because it allows Elon Musk to assign valuations to the two companies as they formed a combined company.

Can you just imagine the negotiation between the two companies, which, by the way, are the same group of people? Do you have to normally this is like an adversarial process where two companies that are going to merge decide what the valuation of each would be because that determines which percentage of stock will be owned by each group's investors and shareholders. But it's literally, like, the same six people sitting around the table, and they're like, okay. So now for X, what do we think? And for X like, it's and the reason for doing it is that it is much, much, much, much easier right now for XAI to raise money than it would be for X to raise money.

Now it's not about like, X has been able to raise some money in the recent, like, months because the people look at X and they're like, well, right now because of, like, Elon Musk's connection, he had like, it's a value there's value there. So they're able to do that. But in the long term, it's it's grok. It's x AI. That's where the money's going to be.

And this makes it easier to do that, and it makes it a lot cleaner and simpler for them to just funnel all of that content directly from X into those types of things. And so this is much more of a this is a thing that happened on paper, but, really, the thing that happened on paper is essentially just cleaning up some stuff that was already gonna basically be happening anyway.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. Thank you for that. Thank you. Alright. I I wasn't sure if we should talk about this in-depth. I might save this because I I wanna develop more thoughts about it. But we mentioned the whole ChatGPT four o image generation last week and the Studio Ghibli phase and all of that. So I don't I don't think I wanna rehash it. I wanna kinda see where it goes from here, but, I wanna talk about Jason's travel article instead. So I wanna go right to that.

So we'll save Great. We will save this, and I need to develop more more thoughts about it because we we were talking to our friend Nate about artistry and work and all that kind stuff. But

Jason AtenJason Aten

Who is a fantastic artist. That's why I'm

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

talking him. Amazing artist. I should see if it could generate three d chalk art the style of Nate Baranowski. We'll see.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, the thing about that is it could generate a photo you could post on Instagram of it, but it can't actually put it on the sidewalk like he does.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's a good point.

Jason AtenJason Aten

A good His job is safe.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's a good point. That is good point. Alright. So here's our personal tech. Jason had a travel article here. I saw it come up in my my RSS. 11 travel tech gear essentials and accessories. You have some very good recommendations here. I would I would make the same recommendations. I have two quibbles. Okay? The first, as you talk about, the accessories in this article, like, the Anker Nano three in one power bank, where do I click to go to that thing? Where where where's the You

Jason AtenJason Aten

don't know how to Google it?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You want people to do this. You're gonna copy and paste it. You're gonna you're gonna send it over here. Oh, now what which one were you talking about? There's 18 different products over here. What is that? What is all this? Listen. As as a YouTuber, as someone who does a lot of affiliate links, link link the thing. Just link the thing.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Them actually are. If you scroll up to the top I think some of them actually are. I think

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I You have the plug bug charger. You have a link there, but the that's the only link. The Belkin MagSafe mount, the Crucial x nine portable SSD. AirPods Pro two, you have linked, but this probably

Jason AtenJason Aten

Probably to one of my probably one of my stories. I just found I just

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

saw an ad. Yeah. It was just to another one of your stories. The Timbuktu, was I was like, oh, what oh, no. There's no link there.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. There are so there was a little bit of a technical glitch on there should be photos with some of these. I will get that cleaned up.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Oh, I see. So, anyway, that was

Jason AtenJason Aten

I didn't know you just wanted to edit my article. I thought you actually wanted to talk about the actual choices that

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I made. There was one well, there is one choice I wanna talk about specifically. I mean, the no. No. All this stuff is great. I mean, I like the, you know, the Anker three in ones. The the Plugbug has fine mice. That's good. I like the the tech bags. I'm still like, I wanted is this the Timbuk two in the picture on the left?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. No. That's the Bellroy tech pouch. Okay. That's Timbuk two is the actual backpack.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. Right. Right. So I I I want that Bellroy tech pouch. The one that I actually have issue with is the Native Union active power bank. Okay? Now this is only because I have reviewed 1,000 MagSafe battery packs. Okay? But and I actually have the Native Union one as well. So it's a 5,000 milliamp hour battery.

And you will see on all these battery descriptions that it can charge your iPhone up to 15 watts. That is false. When it wirelessly, it will never get up to 15 watts. No 5,000 milliamp hour battery can charge that fast. Often, if you read, like, the fine print, these brands say you can charge up to 15 or 20 watts if you connect with a USB C cable.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. That's great.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. But it is not wireless. And so I think, just editorially, should mention that it has to be with the USB c cable if you wanna charge that fast. Otherwise, it's like five watts or at the most seven and a half watts, which the native Union one isn't even Qi two. It's like Qi one.

So it's like it's like super slow charging. It does get pretty warm. But I would just I would not recommend this one to people because I would recommend the Anker qi two ultra slim. Actually, I don't know why I didn't pull this up. 10,000 milliamp hour battery pack because that one actually charges, like, pretty fast.

Like, it'll charge between eleven, twelve, 13 watts, and it is still pretty slim. I know slim is important, but it it is the one that I recommend. It's my I actually have it with me here at the conference because it's it's the best. But this is the one that I would recommend there. But that's the only one I really have with. Literally two. Hold on. Let me

Jason AtenJason Aten

it's literally two.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It doesn't get as hot.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Literally two of them.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Faster capacity. Like, can I hold on? I've this entire time, I have been muting myself when I have to switch hands because my hands are cramping anyway. Listen. Yes. It is thicker.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. No. No. It's not thicker. It is two. Literally, look at the difference. Look at the difference.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Going to carry an extra battery, that is not that big of a difference to throw it in a bag. It is not that big of a deal.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's two. No. I mean, I have both of them. But

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

See? Okay. But listen. Faster charging doesn't get as hot, more capacity. The Anker Chi two is a better option. If you're bringing up batteries because you need to charge stuff and then the native one gets warm. Have you actually used the native one? Like

Jason AtenJason Aten

All the time. I use it all the time.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Doesn't it get warm?

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's fantastic. It's made out of metal. When it gets warm, it's because it's it's cooling. It's because it's the it's like in it's

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

conductive cooling. No. Call BS. No. I guess No.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't know what I don't know what I just said, but my point is, like, no. It gets warm. Stand by the this I mean, I I love this Anchor one.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's great.

Jason AtenJason Aten

But it is literally, like, the weight of three of them.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. Okay. That I actually so there's someone at the conference here from Apple, and he was using the Apple MagSafe battery pack still.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Look at how look how lit.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. It's thin. It's just it gets hot, barely any capacity, and charges glacially slow. No problem. Anyway, this guy from Apple, he had the Apple MagSafe battery pack, and I was like, bro, it's lightning. It charges slow. And I and I said, get the Anker one. He was like, no. I don't wanna do that. I wanna use the Apples.

And he was like, if this one runs out, I have a second one. He had two Apple MagSafe battery packs in his pocket so he could keep his phone charged. I'm like, if you're gonna carry two of those, now you've you've totally undid the whole weight and thickness argument. What are you even holding up? What is that? Oh, the

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's perfect. This is perfect.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Okay. He's all this is the nomad, like, the tiny USB c cable thing.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I don't even know what it's called.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. But

Jason AtenJason Aten

do keep it in there.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's the emergency

Jason AtenJason Aten

cable is what it is.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. I mean, yeah. Sure. It could is that how you do it, though? Or do you know me?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I've never done that in my life except for right

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

now. So

Jason AtenJason Aten

But, also, I don't care how fast it's charging because I'm not playing video games on my phone while I'm traveling trying to, like, keep this thing. Like, my phone it charges my phone faster than my charge is depleting. That's all it needs to do.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's fair, but it's yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's That's literally the only thing I need a battery charger to do, and I would much rather have the slim because I wanna be able to, like I I hate the idea of taking this and putting this into my pocket.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Sure. Okay. That's fine.

Jason AtenJason Aten

So the the for the use case that I'm using, I wanna just be like, okay. Shoot. I need to slap a battery on this because I've been traveling all day, and I just need to be to get to the hotel room. So I'm gonna put this on there and not have to even think about it or worry about it. Or I frequently will use this, like, if I'm at a kid's sporting thing and I'm taking video, which does, like Yeah.

It kills your the battery mostly because your screen is on. Right. Like, it's the video itself is fine, but it's, like, the screen being on. And if you're outdoors, you have to have your screen at full brightness. Right. So I can put this thing on there. And, essentially, like, if my phone is at 40%, it'll just stay at 40% for the rest of the day.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right? Like, and that's that's exactly what I want. I just got, like, three hours of 40%.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Sure. Well, when your readers start emailing you saying, my this battery burned a hole in my pocket, you let me know.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's not that's

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It doesn't get that hot. It gets warm, though. That that was the only one I would take issue with. And I get if you want something thin, I guess. But

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, no. And listen. I this is a great battery pack. I love it. And the only thing I would've I wanted to put on there, but it's not really a travel accessory. Hang on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Jason's reaching around is

Jason AtenJason Aten

This one's better. This anchor one is much, much, much better because this is the one that's part of this two in one charger that I have on my desk.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. Right. Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And it is it is comparatively it's probably the same thinness as the as the MagSafe one, and it's just a little taller.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Sure.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right? But compare like, it's if you just I I hesitate to put these things back to back to

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

back because I know you gotta make sure these

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, they're magnets, but, anyway, like, when you compare those things

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

The thick.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I I is probably my but you I don't think you can just buy this. That's why it

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

comes with the two in one charger.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. This the Anker does

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

have a standalone that they sell directly through Apple that's like that, but it's it's not as good. Like, it's five thousand million hours. It gets really hot. I did a review on it. It's not good. But anyway

Jason AtenJason Aten

This one is really good. This is probably actually what I would would recommend, and then you can just put it on your desk when you're sitting at your desk. So

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Alright. Well, I guess it's fine. I don't, I like recommending ones that that are good.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And just to be clear, I don't not recommend this one.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. I got you.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I love it. And if I'm traveling for a long time, I'll probably just take them both. But the nice thing about this this Native Union one is I'm willing to compromise a little bit of charging speed for the light, like the super lightweight and small form factor. Cause if I'm traveling, that's what I care about.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Very good. Okay. That's all. That's all I wanted to bother you about. It's just the battery.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I gotta go back

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

and your stuff.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Photos and links.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Link your stuff.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Link your stuff. Stuff.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You should do you should do affiliate links. Let's do affiliate links. I I I Oh, you can't, but you can't. No. Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I I I don't know if Inc has affiliate links for some things, but I

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I'll send you my affiliate links. You can put them in your article. How about that?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't know that that will work either.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

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