Apple’s AI Partnership with Google, U.S. vs Apple, Long-Term Vision Pro and M3 MacBook Air Reviews

Apple has some more legal troubles and we're gonna do a long term review of Apple Vision Pro and the M3 MacBook Air. This episode is brought to you by all of you who support the show directly, and for that, we thank you. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, and joining me as always my friend Jason Ayton. How's it going Jason?

There's rumors and talks going around. This is initially reported by Bloomberg that Apple is in talks with Google, possibly letting Gemini power AI features on the iPhone possibly this summer with WWDC happening in June, iOS 18 and all that, and also other rumors that they're also talking to OpenAI might be in negotiations with both and or trying to see which one is gonna do it. Parker Ortelani actually had an interesting screenshot. He was like, wouldn't it be amazing if you could choose which LLM model powered your iPhone features, where you could choose Google Gemini or OpenAI's ChatGPT and all that. I find this fascinating.

You had a great article talking about, you know, the 3 ways this is going to improve your iPhone experience and and we'll get to that in a second. I find this really interesting that OpenAI might power Apple's AI features in addition to Microsoft's AI features. Microsoft Copilot is literally OpenAI or Google Gemini. Like I understand Apple might be behind on the whole AI LLM development and modeling for their software. But these it just seems like 2 very wild partners.

I I mean, I can see it happening until they develop their own. This happened with Google Maps. If you remember, Google Maps was the launch partner on the original iPhone until Apple launched their own Apple Maps, solution and things like that. So I don't know. What do you think what do you think the probability is? What do you what do you think of this?

I think the second thing I was I heard a really interesting take, I think, from Ben Thompson that Google is the only company of these, really, that has the scale to take on, what, A 1 and a half 1000000000 iPhones. Right? If you just think about that, you you can't just like, OpenAI, you know, has a partnership with Microsoft, but think about the increase like, how much more of a burden that would be on their compute power. And the really the limiting factor for all of these generative AI is compute. Right?

That's why they had to partner with Microsoft because there was no way they were ever gonna reach scale without that. Google really is the only other company that has the capability to, take like, just imagine what would happen if all of a sudden there's 2,000,000,000 iPhones and they're all suddenly using a generative AI feature. Right? You can't you know, Anthropic, all of these other smaller companies, there's just no way that they could take on that kind of skill. So Apple really was limited in what its options were, and you're right.

It's really just OpenAI with its partnership with Microsoft or Google with Gemini.

So, yeah, the point is there wasn't a whole lot of options that Apple was going to have, and so I I think it'll be interesting. They obviously have a huge search deal, so they're obviously friends. Right? I shared with you that photo of like, what was it, Tim Cook and Sundar Pichai having dinner. I thought that that was like, when someone posted it, it was, oh, yeah.

Ian Bremmer posted that. That photo is actually from, like, 2017, but it is still really interesting. It's like, oh, yeah. These two people do know each other pretty well and have done some deals. And so, you know, it's not surprising that they would do it. I think the I think everyone expected Apple was gonna just do this on their own, but I actually think it's smart in this case to figure out a way to make it happen sooner rather than later.

He typically probably Yeah. Probably want Google to pay them to use Gemini as the default because then Google Gemini will get a ton of learning data. That's the thing too is know, one of the reasons why it's such a valuable arrangement for Google to have Google search as the default search engine. 1, because it's just used a ton more because most people don't change the defaults on their phone, and so anytime anyone searches in Safari by default it's using Google search. But that's also a ton of data and traffic as Google Ads will be served in those search results, but also just the data that Google gets to make Google search even better and has put it leaps and bounds above other search engines, even like DuckDuckGo and Bing and all that kind of stuff.

This is why Google is the best. Although there was a good podcast, from Neil Patel recently on Decoder about why Google search might be getting worse over time. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but I think it was interesting to me.

Know, because I don't think Apple is gonna be this isn't gonna be a thing. Well, I don't think that this is the type of thing where Apple is going to build it into, like, Apple 1 as a bundle where you're paying an extra $20 a month to have access to the the generative AI features. Because people are gonna be like, no. You put it on my phone. It should just work.

I shouldn't have to pay you more money. And So I do definitely think that Apple is probably gonna be paying and then figuring out a way to monetize that down the road. So yeah.

Obviously, Siri being one of them. Jim Dalrymple from the Dalrymple Report and the website, The Loop, he's been on social media just lambasting Siri the last 2 days, basically saying he's given up using his HomePods because Siri is so bad. Yeah.

Why do you think that you should be the one that answers this?

Hey, make me a shortcut that turns off my outside lights every night at sundown or turns them on every night at sundown and then turns them off 3 hours later. Like, shortcuts can do all of that. Right? But you have to go in and you have to build it, whereas using Google Gemini as a large language model to interpret all that and to have the ability to interact with the different capabilities on your phone, I personally think that'd be amazing. Or imagine if you could just That's the kind of thing that will make people like, this is super functional, way more functional than just, you know, make me a photo of the founding fathers just to see what, you know, what will come out.

Right. Exactly. Like, these are the things that people would actually use all the time. And there's so much functionality and shortcuts that is it's gotta be the most underused app on the phone. Like, come on. It has to be because most people just don't even either know it's there or know how to use it at all. So

And that's why I think some of my most popular videos on the channel are shortcuts videos. But I also think Final Cut and Xcode are 2 huge use cases for large language model type input and AI features. Xcode, obviously, for developers, you know, auto filling certain code. I'm not developers. I don't know all the lingo, but, Final Final Cut is also way behind when it comes to a lot of AI features.

If you use Adobe Premiere, there's a plugin called Autopod, which can basically take a podcast a video podcast like this one and automatically cut between the video depending on who's talking, and it does it in a few seconds. And it just boom. That's something Final Cut should be able to do automatically. It already has multicam features and plugins like Final Cut should do that. Also like transcribing the audio in Final Cut and editing it via text.

Adobe Premiere can do that. Apple should do that too, just right there built in. I also feel like Iwork, which is a whole term, but, you know, pages, numbers and keynote, massive implications for that kind of stuff, especially writing in pages and then asking the prompt to help you reword something or generate more text, and then to translate that into another application, meaning if I have some bullet points in pages, maybe I'm putting together a talk, like I'm doing a podcast movement next week. I can select that text and ask the Apple assistant, make this into some Keynote slides with some stock imagery. Like, that's something other tools can do right now, and would be extremely powerful if Apple's iWork suite, which is all Apple apps, you know, Keynote, Pages, Numbers, and it would be great if it could do that.

And also, we're gonna talk about humane AI pin in a second. One of the things I saw in their latest walkthrough was Imran, one of the co founders, asked his AI pin, like all he did was tap it, and he said make a spreadsheet with the top tech YouTube reviewers with subscriber count and put it all in a Google spreadsheet. And it made the spreadsheet form. Like, I was that's the only prompt, it was very short, and I was really impressed that it could just make that spreadsheet down and then you could download it or whatever. Numbers is right there.

And while Numbers is great and can help you make charts and tables, to just be able to ask a large language model type assistant, hey, make this data into a chart, and it just does it automatically with a labeled y axis and it just does it, you know, that would be great, which I do have to give a shout out to, Nate, friend of the show, friend of ours personally. He sent us, this was a post that was going around on threads and then he sent it to us directly, but it was basically like hall of fame unlabeled y axis, and, it's let me pull it up real quick. It's this actually from Spotify, and, the culture of me posted it on threads. Unmarked y axis hall of fame. It was Spotify reveals the number of artists generating, you know, whatever, certain amount of money and the y axis is just number of artists.

That's all it's saying.

It's like, oh, you can make anything look like any this is actually pretty close to the one that we looked at with, Brave, you know, where it's just like, I would just start this chart anywhere. But except for what Spotify did is they reset the chart each time they drew the bars. It's like there's no relation whatsoever. So

Mark Gurman has said it multiple times, iOS 18 on the iPhone. And that will be one interesting tidbit. Is it gonna be iPhone only? Are we gonna see AI features across the platforms like macOS, iPad and iPhone? Or is it gonna be very kinda specific under the hood use cases where Apple says the word AI, which they were kind of hesitant to do before, but Tim Cook has repeatedly said in the past year, we're gonna make a lot of, I forget the exact quote, but basically we're gonna really move forward with AI this year, how far across the platforms it's gonna be.

So

But I think they will brand it that way, and they will and it'll be sort of the over incumbent. It will be more than just the, you know, current voice assistant. They will sort of expand all of its AI into that. And then I do think that they will talk about ways that are coming. I don't I don't know that they'll be built in yet because it's if you look at what Microsoft did with copilot, I agree with you that it'd be great.

I don't know that I care whether it's in anything but keynote because as we've already discussed, there's no reason to use numbers or, I mean, pages is fine, but, like, no one is really creating text documents and pages. So it'd be would be better is if on your Mac, if you can say, hey. Take this Google Doc that I have and turn this into a keynote, you know, presentation using this data and just your Mac just does it. I think that I don't think we will see that at WWDC. I I I think it'd be amazing.

But if you just imagine the that's a much bigger lift. It's not like plug in large language model, and now suddenly all these things can do this. So I I think it's coming, but I think that's probably the the next step. I think they have to get the stuff on the iPhone first. I think they just have to get that out.

And he got pretty wild access to several people at Apple, including Greg Joswiak, and that he just rode around in a golf cart for 40 minutes interviewing these people about the iPhone and the iPhone camera. He had a filmed it all on iPhone, of course. Pretty wild level of access for Brian Tong. Congrats to him. He asked Jaws at the end what his favorite three iPhone models were, and I think he cheated. Should I do a spoil? Did you watch that? Did you watch the the interview?

3 generations. You can't do 3 models of the same generation, like 3 different fifteens. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say, yes, iPhone 15 Pro Max because it's the best iPhone yet, of course. But my other 2, I'm gonna say the iPhone 5 s because that one had the first touch ID, and it was just extremely thin. The size was really it was right before the 6 where the iPhones got big, and I just one one of the nicest designs still.

And the camera was still flush to the back of the iPhone. So the iPhone 5 s and then, actually, I'll say number 1 because I still think this is one of my favorite iPhone designs, I think one of the most iconic. The iPhone 4, which was my first iPhone. You could say 4 s. It was literally the exactly the same.

There it is. Jason got it. The iPhone 4 and 4s. I think that's number 1 when it comes to hardware design model. That was the antennagate model where Apple literally gave away bumper cases for everyone who bought an iPhone 4 at launch because if you held it a certain way, you lost cellular connectivity and Steve Jobs said you were holding it wrong. But I still think it's one of the best, hardware iPhones to this date. Jason, what do you mean?

It was just mind blowing. Right? It was it was slow. It was slow, and there was a lot of problems with it, but I still you know? Man, this thing is light too. Wow. For having a Sure. I just realized that picking it up anyway.

And it was I think the I think it was the first one with the 3 camera system. So that was kind of a cool upgrade over I don't think that the 10 s, you know, or whatever had it. So anyway yeah.

Right. It was a much longer demo. It's about 18 minutes. They showed off all the different pieces of functionality and features. There are many features that are going to be coming later in a software update.

Things like holding up a book or an object and asking the pin to recognize it or talk about it or search the web for it and buy it. All that's going to be coming later. There's also going to be API access for developers that'll be coming later as well. Some of the use cases are really cool. Like I mentioned the spreadsheet, Imran at the end asked, what the AI pen thought of his fit, like the clothes he was wearing.

Took a long time to actually answer but, it said it liked his fit. Now one of the one of the things that's very telling is every time one of the presenters, Imran, and Sam Sheffer did this too. He had a lot of short form videos recently. As soon as they ask the pin something, they keep talking about what the pin is doing. I think to kind of cover up how long it takes the pin to actually

And it takes a while. And so you can see in this video, oftentimes, there was one time one of the, one of the girls who were presenting, she sent a request and didn't immediately speak after and it felt like you were sitting there for a while. This was her prompt. And so, you know, that's interesting. Also, a lot of the features like catch up, which will basically tell you like catch up about your day that might include text messages and events or whatever.

And asking it to search your text message conversations sounds like really cool features, but it would mean you have to use the AI pin for all of your conversations for it to really be useful. Because if you have a different phone number for the AI pin, it does not sync with your phone like an Apple Watch. This is like a whole different phone number. It would be green bubbles if you were texting iPhone users. Yeah.

Just SMSs. So if you wanted to use those features like catch up or summarize my text messages for the day, that means you will have to have been texting from the AI pin all day every day. And again, I just do not see pretty much anyone doing that in reality. And so a lot of these features, I think, are we'll see. Remains to be seen how useful they will be for all of us who have iPhones, which is everyone. So

And then at one point, the thing just overheated and shut off because it's like, nope. Nope. Working too hard. Sorry. That's too I can't answer that particular question.

So there are certainly I think that it's fascinating, and I think that there are some real world benefits to this type of a device. I just wonder whether or not this one is going to hit that tipping point because of the because of those limitations, and we are so used to instant responses even even from Siri, which is not obviously instant. But we're just so used to being if it fails you, at least it just it's fail mode is here's a list of links on the web. Right? You, we, which is very familiar to all of us.

If this thing what's the fail mode, It just doesn't give you a response or it shuts down because it worked too hard and needs to take an app or something. So I don't know. I think I'm really interested to hear what you think about it. I agree with you. People should not order them right now until people like you who did order them actually get them.

Not just for the sake of seeing the reviews, just for the sake of making sure that, like, they're actually putting them in boxes and giving them to UPS and they're showing up at people's houses.

That that feels a little too punny for me. But you got cosmos and then at one point Imran, you know, he he was a little better in this video than previous videos. And, again, he was formerly of Apple. You can go back and watch him for, I think, the iPhone 6 Keynote or 5 Keynote, like, you know, both cofounders originally worked at Apple or pre previously. And he says, in the middle of the video, there's a green field in front of us.

And then he just goes on to keep talking about the pin. And it was it was very like that should have been my quote for the opening of the episode. It was very like, oh, b boy. Like, I don't know what

It is a $100,000,000 deal with Amazon. He's gonna be making a contest type reality show for the streaming platform, much like a lot of the videos he does on his own channel. I think it's interesting for, several reasons. I mean, one, he's already the biggest YouTuber making a ton of money. But he also spends a ton of money on videos.

If you watch him in some of the Colin and Samir interviews, he talks about he spends upwards of like $3,000,000 sometimes on his videos, which if you watch them, he's like going to private islands, and he's like throwing trains into not throwing, but driving trains into a ditch. So I imagine that stuff costs a lot of money to do. Yeah. Maybe he's maybe he's tired of spending his own money, so he wants to spend somebody else's money like Amazon. But it's a $100,000,000 deal.

It's gonna be the show is going to give away the winner, which MrBeast usually gives large sums of money to whoever wins his contest. There's gonna be a $5,000,000 prize, which is going to be the biggest game show prize ever, which I would expect nothing less from a MrBeast game show. It has to be the biggest and most ever. Yeah. But and he also said he went to Amazon because they're gonna give him basically full creative control, meaning Amazon's not going to apparently force his hand in any way or control the product.

They're totally going to give MrBeast full access. And Jimmy Donaldson is MrBeast's real name. So what did you think about this? You had the article.

I I should just clarify, like, the reporting I think Puck first reported back in January that the deal was gonna be worth a $100,000,000. He wouldn't exactly confirm that, but he also didn't not confirm it when he was talking to Collins here. So it seems pretty clear that that's roughly what the deal was worth. But the the reason I actually wrote about it was listening to him talk. It was pretty clear that there are any number of streaming services that probably could have and would have given him the same amount of money.

The thing that he really cared about was that Amazon was willing to give him full creative control. And I guess I have to give credit to Amazon because we have picked on Amazon Prime Video for, like, a while now because it's, like, it's sort of the streaming service. I saw someone post recently on threads. They were talking about the maybe it could have been x. I can't remember.

It doesn't matter. But the person was talking about the like, he went to Amazon instead of Netflix, and their take was, like, how bad that was gonna be for Netflix because Amazon is the 2nd largest streaming service, which is technically true, but that's only because of the 200,000,000 people who subscribe to Amazon prime and get it by default. So when you count those, like, I don't think that's how many people are consciously paying for prime video. And in fact, they're probably like, oh wow, there's a streaming service over there. That's really cool.

But I think it's actually a sign like, there was a time, where people were going to Netflix from the studios because it was the place where they had creative control. At the DealBook Summit, Shonda Rhimes, who, you know, created, you know, greatest anatomy in, you know, a bunch of other shows, went to Netflix to do shows because she saw the it is a way to sort of break away from that studio system and to have more creative control. And now this is sort of like the extension or the finale of that where, like, the guy who's coming from YouTube and there's no question that people will watch the show wherever he puts it. The guy has 240 some 1000000 subscribers. He in the last year alone, he had over 3,000,000,000 views.

I don't know anything about YouTube. You do, but I think that's a lot. Like, that feels like a very lot. Right?

And so the fact that Netflix was not willing to give that kind of creative control, I think is a is kind of a bad sign for Netflix is like you've basically just become a studio. Right? Like, and Amazon Amazon has nothing to lose because no one knows they have a streaming service. Like, they they could just do it. Like, just just yeah. Here's a $100,000,000. Make us something great, and we trust you to do it. So I

But I I am curious how because honestly, like buying a chocolate bar at a gas station that you're passing through and from a brand you recognize, okay, actually going to a different streaming service that you might have never used before just to watch a bespoke show from even if it's your favorite creator. I'm curious how that audience if it will move and what percentage of it will move. And if Amazon will see some kind of spike in sign ups? Again, like, I feel like everybody has it because everybody has Amazon Prime delivery anyway. I have Amazon Prime.

I have not watched anything on in over a year probably. So I do watch Rings of Power. I do watch Rings of Power, and Rings of Power is coming back this summer. So

And I just wanna know that even those die hard of his fans, don't let them tell you. Very few people have actually read. It's it's a hard read. It's a very hard read.

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But Okay. There's been rumors that Apple is going to announce new iPads and Mac rumors, 9 to 5 Mac, they're all saying it's gonna happen. Then this is hilarious. MacRumors posted Apple to announce new iPads on March 26th, and Mark Gurman just quote tweeted it and said, not true.

I just thought it was hilarious. Anyway, supposedly, I mean, again, Apple did not update a single iPad in 2023. We went an entire year, no iPad updates. Okay. That's fine. M2 iPad Pro is really good. M1 iPad Air is really good. We got a newish iPad just right before the the new year, so okay. We need some new iPads, Jason. And I know people are want I post about this stuff on the different social medias and people are like, what do you even want in a new iPad?

Why do you even care? You get an M2 iPad Pro right now. It's an it's an amazing machine. Like, you you should not want anything more. What's that song? You Can Ask For Anything More? Is that, Annie? I forget. I forget.

No more attempts on my father's life. No. So what I want from new iPads, first of all, the rumors are that there's gonna be mica OLED. So the iPad Pro at least will have an OLED screen which would be better than the mini LED which is only in the 12.9 inch model right now. There's been recent rumors that there might be a matte screen option both a glossy and matte screen which first, this is a newish rumor.

That'll be interesting. We have nano texture options on the Pro Display XDR, but other than that there's not been a matte screen option since 2011 maybe? You used to be able to get a matte screen MacBook Pro, like matte or glossy. You remember that? You could choose 1 or the other. On the MacBook Pro?

It was the unibody style but there was no Retina and matte. But there was still a base level MacBook Pro that didn't have a Retina screen that you could get with a matte screen. And that was the option, on checkout. Like you could do that. So I'm trying to find any pictures or evidence of this.

I want to I'm pretty sure this was the case, but anyway. So new ipads might have matte screen which seems very strange to me. I don't know how that would work with a laminate type display on an iPad, But you have that. M3 obviously is an upgrade. Here's why I want new iPads. Number 1, my main iPad, my only iPad right now is this iPad Mini. This is a 3 year old iPad, and the display is still kind of meh. No promotion. The weather widget is still janky. And I edit this podcast on this iPad.

I edit the audio version in Ferret on this, and it's fine. It can do it. I miss promotion on my larger iPad. I talked about that saga of how there was an iPad in my house that dropped on the sleep button and now it's broken. Anyway, so I don't have this is my only iPad right now.

I didn't drop it. It's for the record. Anyway. So I want to get a big iPad Pro again. I've always I've gotten the 12.9 inches model the last 2 years because it was the only one with the mini LED screen, or XDR display as Apple calls it.

If you wanted to get, the 11 inch iPad Pro, it did not have that better screen. So I am hoping, now that Ive used an iPad Mini as my only iPad for a while, I want a bigger screen, but not that much bigger cause I have a 14 inch MacBook Pro. So what I want is an 11 inch M3 iPad Pro with an OLED display. Same display that will be on the bigger one, so I'm not sacrificing any display quality on the 11 inch, and a new magic keyboard maybe with a function row of keys, at least a keyboard backlight button to be able to adjust keyboard backlight on those function keys. I would love that.

And, honestly, that would be enough for me. Maybe we get a 3rd gen Apple Pencil. Who knows? That's not as important to me but it would be cool to see what Apple does there. Oh. And the camera moved to the right orientation because the base model iPad right now that you get for, like, 4.99 or whatever has the camera on the long edge. You talked about this because you reviewed it.

I don't know whether they called it matte display or whatever. But, anyway, under the iPads, This is easy for me. Although, I'm I am curious why the iPad mini is the only one, in my opinion, that is desperately overdue for some kind of an update, but it's still I have an iPad mini. I love it. I can't figure out what I should use it for because every time I try to use it to read books on a Kindle app or something, I get distracted, and so I just pull out the actual Kindle, like, an actual Kindle to read books on.

So I do think that the iPad mini could use an update. Everything else, literally, the only thing I care about is put the camera on the right spot. That's the only change that they need to make. Like, you could put the m 3 in the Mac in the iPad Pro, but it's an iPad. It has an m 2 in it already. What I don't understand what the problem is. The Mac the iPad Air has an m one in it. Right? I don't think they've updated that to the m two yet. No.

Because they do. So they released 2 generations of MacBook Pro since they've released a single new iPad, so I don't understand. I do agree it's been too long. I think that it'd be great. But, honestly, people talk about the iPad right now as needing updates desperately, but it just really doesn't.

The base, the 10th generation iPad, amazing. Right? They've, they updated the form factor, so it looks like the rest of them. And they put the camera in the right spot. Other than the weird dongle thing you have to use to charge the the Apple Pencil, the 1st generation Apple Pencil, beyond that, it's I mean, it has USB c. It's great. The you can still buy the 9th gen iPad if you wanna save a little bit of money. The iPad Air is fantastic. The iPad Pros. Yeah.

I mean, OLED displays would be great. All of those things, I just feel like man, I don't know. It's an iPad and the things that we do with iPads. Like, what do we need to know that display for for editing podcasts? Probably, like, you wanna, you know, like, be able to see those waveforms watching podcasts?

There's usually 2 sizes, you know, the regular and the plus or the Pro and the Pro Max, and they might just go to 2 size iPads, 11 inch 13 inch across the Pro, the Air, and the base model, which I know there's a lot of iPad mini fans out there. I actually did a video with a pilot several years ago with Apple Insider, and, like, that is one use case where the iPad mini is, like, the de facto device because in these smaller planes with very tiny cockpits, the iPad mini, like, is the only one that'll fit a lot of times and is ideal for them. Honestly, like, they probably don't care for an update. Like, the iPad the current iPad mini is probably fine for them. But this thing is also $600 now, 3 years later, you know?

It's not like you get a discount. So I don't know. I I like to just see them do something, change the camera orientation, give me an 11 inch. That would be nice. And, follow-up to the follow-up. I have found a sketchy video here.

But if you got the anti glare screen option on the MacBook Pro, it would look like the one on the left. You wouldn't have the black bezel around the display and it would still be the older style matte display, which if you remember, before 2008, 2008, fall 2008 was the first unibody MacBook Pro, and from there forward it was the black bezel around the screen glossy display by default, and they just offered the anti glare for a couple years after that. It seems like 2013 might have been the last year, but that's what it looked like on the left. It had the silver bezels, matte or anti glare display, and, yeah. I feel justified.

So you saved Right. 30% or whatever. And now everyone's speaking against it and so United States Justice Department, like another antitrust violation. I know you had more articles about it. What do you think?

So we haven't had a chance to read it. So everything we say right now will be completely obsolete in probably 20 or 30 minutes. So we won't say a whole lot. We'll probably have more to talk about this when we actually see the case. But, essentially, the justice department is alleging, you know, that Apple has sort of, leveraged its platform and is a monopoly and that they are going to be, you know, this isn't the first time apple has been sued over antitrust particular issues, you know, but the point is like the, the crux of the issue here is I understand.

I'm gonna have to wait to see the lawsuit are things like why can't other payment apps use the NFC chip. Right? Or why can't like, there are features and capabilities that are beaten built into the phone that only Apple is able to take advantage of, which disadvantages competitors to Apple's particular products. And it's the same idea where it's like, if you own the platform, you shouldn't be able to use the platform to advantage your own product and not make those things available to other other products. And so not a whole lot more we can say about that until we actually read read it.

The the other one is is interesting because Meta, Microsoft X Match, which is, you know, all the dating sites, that kind of thing, have filed an actual, briefing to protest Apple's compliance with the DMA. Right? They are not happy with the way, that Apple is, well, actually, I don't even know if it was the DMA. I guess it was the the I I'm sorry. I got all that wrong.

You can edit this out if you want. This is they are protesting the the, essentially, the concession that Apple had to make as a result of the Fortnite case, right, which involved linking out to other to

And then the argument that is being made is that that is not reflective of either the letter of the of the law or the spirit. And I just thought it was interesting, like, meta. Okay. I understand. Like, they they're not big fans of Apple, although at the same time, they don't sell apps.

Right? They don't charge for their apps. So I don't know why that's as big of a deal with the exception of the fact that Apple is gonna start charging for in app boosting of posts. So maybe there's that piece of it. Microsoft Microsoft and Apple are not, like, arch enemies anymore. Right? They they do a whole lot of stuff. So Spotify and match group have been a part of this from the beginning, so I can understand that. I just thought it was interesting. Like, Apple's not making any friends.

Right? And even the people even the people you think might be their friends are definitely not happy with the way that they're conducting themselves.

But anyway yeah. Not making any friends.

Listen, I use the thing like I use the thing once a week, if not less. Because here's the deal. I know there's some people online, they're like, I work in Apple Vision Pro 8 hours a day, and my eyeballs love it or whatever. I am not one of those people. I shared my Mac screen multiple times, both my Mac Studio and my Macbook Pro to work.

It's cool. It's more useful for my Macbook Pro if I'm, like, editing video and I just want a larger canvas because it's helpful when editing video to just have more display space. It is more useful but I still prefer just editing on my Studio Display. The studio display is like perfect size for me and editing like it's great. So I don't prefer to work in it.

I don't prefer to be in it that long, like 6 to 8 hours. I don't prefer that. And watching movies is great. There was a moment, I think it was last week, where it was the evening, I was by myself, and I was like, I'm gonna watch something. I can get my Applevision Pro out and, like, do the whole thing.

I I've been using the Waterfield case now so I have to take the solo knit loop off to put it in the case. Like, do I wanna put it all together, put the solo knit in, put it on the battery, wait for it to start up, because we don't use it every day, it takes like a minute to start up after you plug in the battery. And then I'd, do I wanna do all that? Do I just wanna watch it on the TV that's right in front of me right now and it would take me 5 seconds to get to the thing to watch. So I didn't even watch even then, the ideal scenario where I would watch it that has happened multiple times and some of those times I have got VisionPRO out and done it, but it's just so there's so much, friction to just getting to experiencing something in Vision Pro and so limited use cases for it.

The only use case that I prefer right now is watching something and the friction to get to watching something on Apple Vision Pro, which there's still no Netflix app. I'm not going to do it in the web browser. Like using Safari in Apple Vision Pro is like not a great experience. It's hard, like, typing. I just don't want to do it.

So even watching something, there's enough friction where I just don't I don't desire to to do it. Now, I'm traveling next week, going to Podcast Movement in the hotel. Maybe Apple Vision Pro is going to, like, it's going to be great there because it'll be my content. We'll see how it works with, like, captive WiFi networks. I'm curious how well that's gonna work, where, you know, you have to, like, log into your hotel room or whatever. So

Use it on a plane. It was cool. Got some funny looks, but, yeah, that was fun. But honestly, like, I just don't find use cases for it and watching something is the cool use case, but I just don't do it, very often, like once a week or less. So if you were thinking about getting one, maybe not right now, go do the demo in the Apple Store. You can get the wow factor, and then wait for a much cheaper version or more use cases and apps down the road. But, yeah, that has been my experience. And

If you wear 1 on a plane, the flight attendants think that you're just bonkers. And so not that that's a reason not to, because there's a whole lot of people that are bonkers on airplanes. That's fine. But I just, anyway, so, all right. That was the vision pro.

I, on the other hand, have been living with the MacBook air, which I do know where it is. It is right here. I still have it. It's right here. And it's, you know, I was just picked it up and noticed, honestly, the fingerprints aren't that bad.

I think the coding part of the fingerprints is good. It's just, it's dark. Right? And so darker materials like this are just gonna show them more. I will say, and I think Steven, I may have said this to you at one point, but the, I think that the m 3 MacBook Air was the the the computer that I was sort of waiting for. And I've been using the m three max MacBook pro. So I am not using I mean, I'm not hurting for computer. Right? It's a Right.

I was using Whisper yesterday, and that's the first time I've heard the fan spin up on this MacBook Pro. Like, it's because it's doing on it's doing on device, you know, AI generative AI stuff. And the MacBook Air does all that kind of fine, but it definitely takes a bit longer. I don't know if memory would necessarily help, but it is loading that language model into memory in order to do it. And so, I think that the I mean, you everyone knows what the MacBook Air is.

It's fantastic. The M3 is is is amazing, and I think it will you know, carrying it around to, like to south by southwest, not XOXO was was great instead of carrying around my MacBook pro. And so I think I probably will be switching back to the MacBook air. So, yeah, it's amazing.

And I do like the display, again, I guess I'm a display nerd, but I like the mini LED display on the iPad Pro and I do like the display on the MacBook Pro. And so I don't know if the thinness and lightness is enough trade off, especially when I'm carrying Apple Vision Pro and USB microphones in my bag anyway, like, the weight difference is probably negligible from, you know, Air to Pro, but I am tempted by it all the time because it does look very nice.

We have a very, very nice OLED television. I I do agree that the MacBook Pro has an amazing display, and it's also really nice because it gets much brighter. So if you're in a situation where, you know, you're outdoors or whatever, which we're not right now because it's 16 degrees out. But if you're in that, like, it is nice. But the other benefits of the MacBook Air, the fact that it is so light, so thin, so and yet still so powerful, and the battery lasts forever.

That's the other thing. The the battery lasts because it isn't powering such a high powered screen. It lasts for such a long time. But if you just buy an OLED television, I mean, you have, like, 2 home theater systems. I can't believe you didn't get at least one OLED between the 2.

1, because I feel like the gap between the $600 TV and then if you want to get a nice OLED, you're in like the 3,000. And I just I don't know. I feel like like I don't personally use it, the TV, like my kids use it more. Like for their video games, they would probably love it. But I actually don't personally use it enough to like I guess justify it. So and I'm not gonna put the nicest TV in our bedroom. I don't know.

And just so you know, next week's episode, we're gonna release it on Friday instead of 30 because I'm at Podcast Movement. Jason's going to another conference