Apple Intelligence Explained, Is Siri Actually Getting Better? An Ode to Magic Mouse

Can a robot write a symphony? Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. This week we're going back in to all the announcements from ww and a lot of things we have learned since the keynote details that I haven't seen anywhere else. So excited to talk about that. Apple Intelligence, iOS 18, macOS Sequoia, and Jason was there in person, but he's back from the live from the studio show floor thing.

I can't complain about anything. Of course. But it is nice to be sitting here with my microphone and set up. And we've I mean, like, 3 of the last 4 shows, I've been somewhere else, it seems like.

You're traveling. You're travel speaking of which, you flew to WWDC. Did you wear the Apple Vision Pro on the plane?

No. I didn't even take it. And I I actually caught quite a bit of flack for that because, one of the things I had a chance to do was to sit down with some, indie developers who were making apps for the VisionPRO. And and they didn't have Vision Pros with them. And the the PR person from Apple is like, didn't we send you one?

Okay. Alright. Alright. Okay. I still can't believe you haven't done this yet. Train support now. You gotta try you gotta try it at least once. That's Steven. See what you think about it.

I just can't get over the fact that people will have to look at me wearing a VisionPRO.

Oh, they'll be fine. Nobody cares. Once you do it once when I put it on, I when I finally worked up the courage to put it on,

it's hard, but It wasn't like it was easy for you, though.

No. It's not easy, but you, you know, you do it. But, anyway alright.

You were just doing it for the views. You were really hoping to be shown on TikTok somewhere.

I really wanted to get on TikTok, but, it did not happen. It was too far after all the hype. Nobody cared. It was like months later. So anyway, I wanna talk about the magic mouse later too because that interview MKBHJ I had with Tim Cook was hilarious and, AI gadgets I think are finally dead.

We need about we need, like, 90 more 5 star reviews to cancel out the 3 star.

We can do it. We can do it. But exciting things. So flaquito 6969, he said he listens to English and Spanish podcasts, but we're his number one Spanish podcast. Or no. English podcast. We don't speak. But I don't know about you.

Oh,

we got a Spanish version. It'll be very short because my vocabulary is not it's not written. But that'll be pretty good. So, yeah, there was a a 3 star review who said great podcast, he had very nice things to say exclamation mark, and then, something something Tesla, and then he was upset about that. So

I love my Tesla. I've said this many times. So maybe he doesn't like Tesla? I don't know.

I don't know. So we're we're gonna weed it out because we're probably gonna talk about Elon Musk at at the end and how what he thinks of Apple Intelligence, but so we we need more 5 star reviews. We can get back up to 5 stars. We're 4.9 right now. But other 5 star review shout outs, Steven 964 and Felix t c.

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I've already spent it. I had coffee this morning so

I was gonna say it's over but but thank you all so much for showing out subscribing. Our recap video had really good views. There was some audio, things going on, you know, different recording environments. Jason was at Apple Park, which we'll talk about. But anyway, we have a 187 5 star reviews right now.

been there. I was there last year as well for vision for WWDC, and I've been to a couple of iPhone events and and that kind of

stuff. You're regular. You're regular.

Not as regular as some people, but it yeah. I've been there a couple times, so it's it's fun.

Well, but how was your experience this time?

It was good. Well, I will say this like, no one's gonna care that this is the best part except for last year, it was probably 20 degrees hotter the whole morning. So it was very nice to not be quite as hot. It was it was fun. I was, I ended up I was sitting next to Zach Hall from 9 to 5 Mac.

yeah. That's right. How was the I saw these pictures of, like, these breakfast croissant things. Yeah. Did you have anything there? Was it good food?

So this is actually kind of funny. My oldest daughter is a huge fan of chocolate croissants. And so basically everywhere I go, I send her photos of whatever their chocolate croissant is. I'm going to send you one of these because it is definitely worthwhile. And so I just sent her this photo, and she's asked me, can you how many do you think you could get in your bag and bring home?

I should just smuggle them out.

And I'm like, if I do, I'm super gonna have to leave right now because they're just gonna kick me out. But, yeah, they the the food's good. Like, it's a little, like, fancier than I'm a pretty simple person, Steven. I don't need, like, super fancy food. But, yeah, it was great. It was a lot of fun. So

Okay. And then the chairs I'm trying to get this croissant photo. Oh my word. So I have safari open over here and I try like dragging the photo into the Safari window to show it in Safari because that's just how I'm doing trying

to do

it and and basically made the croissant photo the background wallpaper for my safari home screen. So forget it. But I can show it in preview. This is the, this is the croissant.

Yes. Yeah.

Those little egg sandwiches that I had

seen Yeah.

From other people. They were

They were good. And then the other thing was some sort of they called it French toast. It was basically just like a churro with cream cheese and strawberry on the inside of it. It was How

was the coffee? Someone said the coffee machines were good too.

I mean, it's just brewed coffee. Oh, they so okay. Two different things. They have brewed coffee basically everywhere. Cafe Max, they'll also make you a latte or Americano.

That's amazing. That's me. I wanna show you my safari window now. This is what my safari looks like now. It's, it's your croissant photo.

Oh, I'm so sorry.

It's hilarious. I'll change that a little bit. One thing, I think it was Marco or John Sergues who was saying so those wooden chairs that you sit in because I I look at these pictures that people post of like the viewing area and I'm like, man, those chairs, they don't look comfortable on the face of it because they're just they just look like wooden chairs. But is it are they comfortable?

Yeah. I mean, there are 2 well, there's 2 different types of chairs. First of all, there are the wooden chairs that are basically, I think, the Cafe Max chairs. And that's towards the back, that's where the the media people sit. Then Then there's actually a second type of chair.

that. Right.

Are they comfortable? Like, I don't know. I mean, as comfortable as a wooden chair could be, I guess. So

I mean, you could sit through a 2 hour keynote and you were fine.

Yeah. Absolutely. Totally fine. Yeah. So

Yeah. These fabric chairs are interesting. So even with that covering over the top, it still gets hot up there?

Yeah. So I guess well, I gotta send you one more photo while we're doing this. So you'll this will help you understand

I got so many safari backgrounds, you know, that I can just I

just wanna help you out. I mean, I can send you the rainbow stage. Okay. So I just sent you one. This will give you a good picture of what you're looking at is from upstairs out into Cafe Maxx where there's a seating area. Then there's a gap that you'll see with where there's a lot of sun. Right?

And

that's kind of where we are sitting in. So there's a gap between the building, the ring building, and then that canopy that they built. So if you're sitting in the wrong spot, you're gonna get toasted. So

So were you sitting like inside inside?

No. So if you look at that giant screen, the left hand side there on the other side of that, we were basically 6 rows in front of that. So Oh okay. Okay. Yeah. This

is and one day I hope to visit this. I mean this is just crazy. And again, HP guys are talking about the glass sliding doors.

Yeah. Just

how massive they are.

I mean, that's just the employee, like, cafe. Like, that's where they that's where you go to eat lunch if you work there.

Because, I mean, there's tree. Like, there's a little tree inside there, like, multiple trees. Yep. That's awesome. Well, it's very exciting. Glad you got to go. And you got to record an Apple podcast studio, which is very exciting. So one half of us have been there. One half of this podcast.

I saw your face there, Steven. You've basically been there.

One and a half. One and a half. One of us. We got 1 and a half of them there, so it's exciting. But, anyway, I'm glad you got to go. Glad you're back. So more stuff. A bunch of I had so many questions after the keynote, especially about Apple Intelligence and, you know, someone said we shouldn't say the s word so much. So how do how do we how do you say the s word so you don't trigger out all everybody's HomePod?

Shoot. No. I'm sorry. That's the other s word. That's what we say at our house when our kids sorry.

Not bad s word.

Wrong s word. I thought you were worried about us getting this explicit tag. You're just not wanting to set off everyone's HomePods. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah.

You can just say, hey, hey, iPhone, I guess.

Hey, iPhone. Yeah. But hey, ding I like hate dingus.

But I mean, that's sort of like the generic whether you're trying to talk about Alexa, whatever, Google Assistant, all those things. Listen. So here's the thing. I get it. Don't mean to be setting up people's devices. At the same time, other why are any why do you have that on your HomePods anyway? Right. Turn it off on everything. We've talked about this. It should only be on your watch and on your phone.

That doesn't work. That's one that's one of the problems with the HomePods. I have

Well, then that's why you just turn it off on the HomePods. Exactly. So should Well, maybe I do.

But I have it I think it's personal requests.

Yeah. And

if you have personal requests enabled, it's supposed to recognize your voice specifically, but it still it still answers to everybody. Like, I don't there's not a setting to say, don't listen except for my voice. It's just that then you can do personal requests like text so and so and your home pod will do it.

Or like what's on my calendar or something like that.

Yeah. If you guys want what's on my calendar, but it can still be activated if someone says it. So, but what what let us know, leave us a 5 star rating and review, and let us know what word should we replace, s I r I, because it was not rebranded, that's still the name. I wanna talk about Apple Intelligence first because I had I kept like rapid firing questions to you, because you had you got to get some information, but right before we do, what and how many devices are you running the beta on? That's the question.

Yep. Okay. Great question. So right now, I have it installed on, a MacBook Air, not my primary device. I have I I've installed macOS beta.

Well, you probably need a developer strap to use the image file.

I have no idea what I'm supposed to do, but this thing's like, dude, this is not a Mac. What do you think you're doing downloading things to this?

So it doesn't I I actually hadn't tried it because I was like I was gonna do the beta, but I'm like I mean turning photos into 3 d sounds cool, moving icons around the home screen fine, but that wasn't enough for me to, like, go through the hassle. And I I didn't try that.

I wanna do the Mac. I wanna do the Mac projection. That's the thing I wanna test.

But that's not that's not even in the beta yet. That's not what I've heard.

Well, then I'll wait. Well so but the problem is it's like the instructions say go to settings, software update, beta updates. But I don't have that beta update. Like, it doesn't show up. There's not that option.

Okay. Alright. Well, I am running it on my secondary iPhone. I have the iOS 8

But you're not gonna get any of the features on that. You're not gonna get any of the Apple Intelligence on that. Okay.

No no Apple Intelligence on this, which Apple Intelligence is not a part of any of betas now. Yes.

And I'm Right.

I'm inclined to think it's not gonna be until release. Like, I really don't think it's gonna be even in, like, later betas.

They did say summer. They said it'll be available in summer? Yeah. So they just they said it would be available to developers this summer, and that it'll be in so this is why it's confusing. It says it'll be available in beta as part of iOS 18. What that means is when it releases in the fall, it'll be in there, but they're going to be labeling it as a beta feature, Right? Once it's publicly released. And then it just says that it'll be available, to developers this summer.

So yeah. Okay. Then maybe maybe when the public beta is launched in which comes July, usually the 1st or second week of July, maybe we'll see it then. So at that point, I'll have to think about whether or not I'd do it.

Public betas are pretty safe. The worst thing that happens is you end up losing some battery life, but you've got a pro max. It'll be fine.

Well, the battery stinks right now anyways. Because I still have, like, 300 cycles, so it doesn't matter. But so I'm running it on, spare, you know, my secondary iPhone, which look at look at the dark icons there. Look at that. That's pretty cool.

Well, if you because yeah. Because the mini doesn't yeah. No. The mini supports the Apple Pencil, so you can use math notes.

His math notes here? Yeah. Oh, you know, I didn't even search for the calculator app after I did the beta.

Yep.

Oh, look at that. I have the calculator app on my iPad mini.

Yeah. And you so you can if you have an Apple Pencil paired to it, if you click the little calculator icon there, it'll ask you if you wanna switch to math notes, and then you can start a new note. And then you can Wait.

What what what calculator icon?

Done there in the so if you're holding it in that orientation

Oh, I see. Yeah.

Yeah. See? Yep. There you go.

Oh, math notes.

Yep. There you go.

Okay. Well, here's let's do this live on air. So I'm gonna put the app my Apple pencil just connected it there and now let me how do I draw something here? It didn't pair. Oh, boy. Oh, Apple Pencil Pro. Does that work with iPad mini?

No. You have to use a normal Apple Pencil, bud.

Forget it.

It's over. We've been through this.

Compatibility. Hang

on. I have a drawer full of Apple Pencils. Do you want me to just send

you one real quick? Just give me one real quick.

Yeah. Just hand it over. Yeah. That would be amazing if it worked that way. Now that is the,

like, AI we need. That is the we need the the particle,

everything. It's not AI at all. It's just defying physics. But anyway

Okay. Alright. Apple Intelligence. I had so many questions. I think still people are wondering what does this mean for Hey, Dingus on non Apple Intelligent Devices, which I think we can answer that right off the bat. For non Apple Intelligence devices like this iPhone 14 that I use as my beta device, it's the same. Hey, dingus is the same. It's not getting Yeah. All the improvements.

I did specifically ask this, and it was actually okay. So, like, the people at Apple are wonderful. I just have to say that. But when you ask them questions, you have to be really careful how you ask a question because the way that they'll answer it, you have to make sure you're interpreting it based on a certain thing. So, anyway, the the basically, the gist I got was that it'll be what you just said, the same.

Cool ring, the outline of the phone. And like you won't be able to ask it the kind of complicated queries like in the keynote where I forget the presenter or even like Craig Federighi was like, will I make it to my daughter's plate tonight with this event? I can't do anything. Like, that's Apple intelligence stuff.

I mean, you can ask and you'll get the same What? Response that you get now.

Here's some web results for musicals. Yeah. That'll be that'll be the result. So basically non Apple intelligent devices, which it's pretty wild, like the newest iPhone 15 will not get Apple Intelligence. Like it's only the pro.

Yeah. So should we talk just a minute about the reason for why certain devices can do this and some can't? Are we at that point yet or should we hold off for a minute?

I would know. I would love to hear. So why?

Yeah. So I think okay. It's people because people keep asking this, and this is I've had this long conversation on threads, and and people are very seem very, like, flabbergasted. Because what I said on threads was that the m 4 because people were real disappointed that the iPad with the m 4 didn't get any magical features in it. You can't do anything that the other m devices can do.

I was about I was about to try and improve that wrong, but I looked at the m one iPad Air, which in my mind is like the, you know, leaf

floor m one device.

But that, like you're saying, is 8 gigs of RAM.

Yep. And so the in in that makes sense because the m series on a chip, that RAM is a part of that series on a chip. So they all they don't, like, take away some of the RAM. You can't get it with, like, less or more. So in order to have the model on device, it has to have 8 gigs of RAM.

We're not detectives.

I just write things on the Internet and read a lot of stuff. Right. That would be really fun. But anyway, The Greatest Showman, my kid just watched that a couple of days ago. So Circus would be fun anyway. But speaking of which, we watched Wonka the other day and I I could have told you there were so many times when I'm like, is this just the greatest showman? Are we? What movie are we watching right now? First of

all, it's showman, not showman. But but the Greatest

showman. Showman. Is that whatever.

Well we need to. Well what

yeah you just interrupted my interruption. So sorry. Anyway moving on. So the I think it's just important to understand that like it's not going to do the m four is gonna be capable of doing some things faster. But if you are doing a thing that requires private cloud compute, which is the more advanced thing.

gonna be a 18 that has 8 gigs of RAM.

Yeah. Well, okay. Fine. But I'm saying the minute the floor would be the a 17 pro. It's gonna be a better chip than that. So

So that makes that makes sense, the 8 gigs of RAM. I imagine, like, neural engines have been getting bigger with the m series chips, so I imagine some like you're saying, processing will be that. Okay. So that's why the chip gating for Apple Intelligence and also why an m four and m one, like, there's not gonna be a difference in capabilities. It's just Right.

So I believe that it's that the original launch for Apple Intelligence is only in the US and in English. Right? So there are 2 totally separate things, I think, in order you have to, like, think about. So what it says is, like, it won't be available in the UK, period, whether you speak English, US, English, whatever. Once it expands to other countries, I'm sure that they will address that.

And this is so the footnote on the Apple Intelligence web page is what I have here. It'll be in the show notes. Apple Intelligence will be available in beta on iPhone 15 Pro, Pro Max, and iPad and Mac with M1 and later with dingus and device language set to US English As part of the 18 updates this fall, some features, additional languages, and platforms will be coming over the course of the next year. It also talks about Apple Intelligence compatible devices and has the list at the bottom of that site, which I think it was Parker Ortolani pointed out, that M1 MacBook Air that's like $700 at Walmart right now will be capable of Apple Intelligence

Yep.

And is an amazing deal.

Yeah. Well and this is one other thing I think that's also a good distinction to make. See, I wanna like, I feel like we're creating, like, the authoritative record right now about all like, what is Apple Intelligence? What is Apple. Because there's a separate thing that Apple is doing.

No. No. No. And I think that's a good distinction again because there's been a lot of confusion about ChatGPT. Is it built in? Whatever. And so, the live talk show that happened Tuesday evening, I watched it in Apple Vision Pro in 3 d, the biggest shout out to Sandwich Video and Adam Lisagore, because as far as I know, I think it was like the first live streamed 3 d thing that you could experience in Apple Vision Pro. Yeah. Like streamed live. The stream went great.

And to be clear, if you choose that option, it won't send like, you can't just cause it's gonna be annoying if you're using it that every single time you have to say, yes. Please share. Saying don't ever ask me means it'll never send it to chat gpt. It's not you there's no setting for send this to chat gpt, and please don't ask me. That's unfortunately not an option at this point because it's gonna be real real obnoxious if it's something that you use all the time. Right.

Now we're gonna come back to the the talk show live because I think there was some other interesting tidbits. I will say Gruber, you know, he was lobbing a lot of softballs to him which like Gruber would like ask this long question which was really more of a statement and then Craig and Giles would be like, yeah we agree. Well said John. Like that was literally 3 or 4 things that happened during the interview. But to Jon Gruber's credit, he asked Joss, where's the money going?

I didn't see the talk show yet. No. I tried and this this is the reason I should have taken the VisionPRO on the plane.

Yes. You should have taken the VisionPRO for this. The recording is not up yet so you had that's why I that's why I wanted to watch it live too. Gruber asked a Federighi what chips are running private cloud compute, to which Craig Federighi turns to Jaws and he's like, are we saying? Like, can we say? And Jaws is like, no. We're not saying. And Craig is like, we're not saying.

But okay. But I do and I said this during the our other recording, I said it was the M2. Turns out, I don't know why I said that. I mean, I don't there wasn't like a slide that said M2, except if you do the math, if you think about it, it's pretty obviously the m two ultra. There is no m three ultra at this point.

So they're not saying what chips are in there, and and they did not say which way the money was going. Again, the HP guys had some pontification about which way it might be going because, like, who is really benefiting from this arrangement? And honestly, you could say both, Like, Apple is benefiting because LLM and AI features are gonna be built into the OS that they don't have to offer themselves yet, like write a bedtime story or whatever. And so Apple gets that benefit where they can tell their users you have all these capabilities built in, but ChatGibt also has the benefit of their product is gonna be built into devices off by default, but still built in, which is a huge, like exposure advantage. You know, you're gonna have millions of users that can just turn on ChatGPT and start using it, and might encourage users to then upgrade to ChatGPT plus or, you know, more queries, faster access, things like that.

the original. Okay. So this is interesting because, Ben Thompson has a theory that there's actually no money going back and forth for this. Is that that was the reason that Google wouldn't sign a deal because Apple wasn't willing to pay for, that particular access. And that OpenAI is like, yep.

And and OpenAI has the advantage of being exclusive right now unless and if it's just the 1st year, which I can imagine just like you can change your search engines in Safari even though no one changes it off the default, it could be you have OpenAI, you have Google Gemini, you have Perplexity, that one day you can have those options just into the settings of your Mac and your iPhone. And then at that point, Apple can be like, just like Google pays us to be the default search engine, now you can now you may pay us Right. To be the default AI engine, part of it. But I also think even longer term, there will be a day where that just goes away, and Apple just has the LLMs proprietary first party, unless, like, Chat gpt and and these other services keep advancing so fast that Apple can't catch up, which we have to talk about training data in a second because that actually came out in the live talk show as well, but, anyway, I'm I'm also inclined to think maybe there is no money changing hands right now, which can we and I just I just have to point out the the crazy nature of this AI these AI arrangements.

they've given OpenAI, like, $11,000,000,000 just to be

clear. They've given it so a lot of money going that direction. Right? And OpenAI and Chat GPT powers Copilot, Microsoft's AI feature. And now the same company, OpenAI, is built into Apple's operating systems as part of Apple Intelligence, And, like, what a strange time, like, for this, like, intermediary, namely OpenAI, to be so heavily embedded in the 2 biggest players when when it comes to desktop operating systems, and, you know, Google Gemini, you know, they obviously have the most used mobile platform worldwide, and not the US, but worldwide.

Well, what's even more crazy about that is that I just said that, basically, Microsoft's given them $11,000,000,000. What they really gave them are credits to use Azure. Right? That much money worth of credit. So what that means is

Oh, yes.

Apple isn't paying anything, we we think, for OpenAI. And yet all of these customers all of these queries are gonna be running on Azure servers from Microsoft that Microsoft is giving to open AI for basically free for them to take queries from apple users. Microsoft's not getting any money from apple, but even though all of this work is taking place on their servers, just start to do that math in your head. Now and I just wanted to clarify one thing, which really is pretty insignificant. There is a the reason for the AI I'm sorry.

So it's so crazy. Alright. I'm glad we're going this far in-depth. This is gonna be the episode that when someone asks about Apple Intelligence, you send them this episode.

Absolutely. And you

and whenever whoever you share it to, say after you're done listening, 5 star rating and review in Apple

Podcasts. Absolutely.

A couple other things, realizations. Chatbot interface, namely like the Chat GPT app on Mac or whatever where you can just ask queries, it seems like that is not a thing that will exist on Apple's operating systems. I mean, you could say that, hey, dingus is somewhat that, but the reason why I was asking is, like, my workflows that use ChatGPT, which, just as an example, when I make a video for YouTube, I transcribe it as it's uploading to YouTube, I take that transcription, I put it into ChatGPT using TextExpander, which automatically puts one of my prompts that asks it for a title description and tags, and then ChatJPT just generates that from the transcript. And I use now I use the the Mac app, for ChatJPT to do that. It does not seem like there's going to be an easy way or a way to do that even with macOS and Apple Intelligence or iOS.

Well, yes. Not a first party native way to do that, but you obviously can still use the chat gpt app. And you can imagine there are a lot of scenarios like the one you just described where you very well might wanna just keep doing that. Also, like, the impression I get is that this whole thing is so locked down because it's Apple, that there are a whole lot of things you're not gonna be able to say to Siri. You know, give me a story about an unsolved murder from you know, like, it's not gonna do a lot of things, so you'd still wanna do.

Like because I was looking at the Apple intelligence page here, and, like, the writing features that you'll get, like, when you select text in an email or a note, you know, basically has the proofread option, which goodbye, Grammarly. We hardly knew ye. You can have

the ye. Assuming it's good. Assuming this is good. We still don't we don't know that yet. But yeah.

Don't know that yet. I imagine it's gonna be pretty good.

Also, it's also not gonna try to stick its little bug in the middle of every text field. Meaning, like, in Slack, you can't even hit the send button because the thing you just just sits there. Yeah.

I don't have Grammarly installed. Like, if I ever really wanted to use it, I just copy and paste it on the website because the the built in one is just super annoying. But anyway, so this little box that comes up for Apple Intelligence, all you have is the proofread, the rewrite. You have, you know, make it friendly, professional, concise, and then stock options of summary, key points, table, and list. So it's not like you can give it a prompt, a specific prompt for Apple Intelligence.

Yeah. I think that that's sort of true. I mean, you could argue because, like, the previous screenshot you showed, describe your change. I mean, that's essentially the same kind of a thing where you where you can type to it right there. Like, that top thing is type like, make this more exciting and add, like, whatever to it. You can you know, because essentially, all of those other things are just precanned props. Right? That's all that those are. This is like, nope. I wanna make my own prompt.

Exactly. Yeah. Alright. Couple of the small details. The when you update your device so let's say you have an iPhone 15 pro, you install iOS 18, now you have Apple Intelligence on there, it assume I assume, like, even now when you do a big iOS update or get a new phone, it's gotta index all the things, because spotlight has always been a thing, and it's indexing your entire phone for that.

Yeah. So I was looking through some of the notes that I had, and one of the one of the questions was like, well, if you get any devices, I have to retrain the models. No. The models have already been trained, and they're just on your device. Like, that's not a thing that's happening on your device.

have to watch a YouTuber.

I actually have to do stuff. I noticed that during the, during the video of the our conversation at the park, I use my hands a lot when I'm doing an audio show. Whatever. It's your fault for making this thing behind YouTube. But anyway,

no more watching it. It's a YouTube grade for those hand motions.

Yes. Anyway, so it'll be able to make all of the that's what the some the semantic index is doing is making those connections, and then it decides based on all of that stuff. Is this a thing I can process on device, or do I need to send it to the private cloud compute? So Right. Yes.

And that is I was wondering is maybe one day, not it's not now, Apple has not said now, but that maybe one day your semantic index because it would be really valuable if it was cross devices. Like, it'd be really valuable if you everything you do on macOS and your iOS device and your iPad is all a part of the same semantic index. So when you ask, hey, dingus on your phone about something that you maybe made on your Mac that is not syncing to your apps, you know, which is one of the advantages of Icloud and all these apps, like, Bear Notes. You know, I use Bear Notes, but I imagine come the fall or whenever Bear updates that all my Bear notes will be a part of the semantic index, and that information will be searchable by Apple Intelligence and all my notes synced to all my devices. So it maybe doesn't matter.

they can be different. It's it's mind blowing. They can be and it's if you think about it, like, it is it is easy to say, like, yeah, that should just follow across every device. I'm sure that there's, like, legitimate reasons why that's not the case. That they just are not like, if you just imagine they had to build a what they kept calling a secure tunnel to the private cloud compute in order to do that, it's like they have their own, like, it's well, it's probably similar, like, the private relay or whatever kind of thing, and it's not surrounding the data.

Yeah. And I'm not I'm not complaining at all. I was just trying to wrap my head around what is the device doing? What is Apple Intelligence doing? And one of the other things, I will say private cloud compute, Craig Federighi at the live talk show interview, which will bring up some points there and then we'll move on, but he, like, described private cloud compute and how the authentication works and how your iPhone won't even talk to a server if the image doesn't match something else.

Yes.

So a couple of details from the talk show related to Apple Intelligence. John G'Andrea was actually the 3rd guest of the talk show, so it was Joss, Craig Federighi, and JG, which Yep. John Gruber, JG. John G'Andrea, jg. Greg Jozowiak, g j, and then Greg Federighi.

Well, so this is a thing. It's interesting to me how they I I can't wait to actually hear the talk show and to to hear how they talked about it because this was another question that came up in the interview with iJustine. She she did the q and a the the afternoon after the keynote, and she just asked them, like, so where did where what'd you train it on? And I think it was JG who answered the question. You know, we did we trained it on publicly available information, and then he talked about some textbooks and he talked about like other stuff and licensed content.

Right. And so and the robot txt file that you're talking about, when you sort of think about a website, you know, there's a lot of pages that live on a server for a website, and one of them is a robots dot txt, which if you have that file on your server for your website, it will basically signal to large language models that are scouring the Internet, like, don't don't nothing to see here. Don't stop here. Just just keep on going. Neli Patel at The Verge just talked about how their robots TXT file, I think they put OpenAI's chat gpt saying, like, you know, ignore us, please, which, I mean, let's be honest, it's a text file.

I mean, if you look at the verges, there's a whole lot of pages that they are like they're they're disallowing the Apple bot. They're disallowing GPT bot. They're which is weird because they have an open AI deal, so they're probably just sending them to them differently. But, yeah, you can you can see on any website what is being disallowed and you can actually disallow specific pages. So you could be like, well, I want Google to be able to index this part of my website, but not this other part of the website.

Is it is it, oh, okay. So this is

Slash robots dot txt. It's just a text file. Yep.

So any website .com whatever slash robots.txt. You can just put that in the address bar of whatever website you're curious about. So I just did it here for The Verge. Yep. This is basically the text file. So you could see disallow the Googlebot news. Yep. User agent. This is a bunch of things.

So that's basically they're saying no one should be indexing those pages.

The ad those pages. GPT bot. No. Amazon bot. There's Apple bot. Yep. You know, I'm curious how they knew it was that. Anthropic. I mean all these things, Facebook bot, perplexity bot, you know all these bots they have they have disallowed, so it is fascinating. We live in a weird time, Jason.

Yes.

The last thing I wanted to mention from the talk show interview and then we'll just touch on a couple other things and then we have to get to the magic mouse. That's the most important thing.

It is.

The during the live interview, Gruber was asking again, after a lot of softballs, he wanted to ask about the DMA and the how laws or whatever, and sometimes Apple will apply a change they have to make with a certain law globally. He mentioned the Japanese Trade Commission, with the anti steering, you know, allowing developers to put links in their apps to their website. And that was a law passed in Japan, but Apple made that just a global change. They were like, okay, like, we're just gonna change this for everybody. So Gruber brought up the DMA, the 3rd party app marketplaces, things like that, and saying, like, how do you think about maybe applying those changes to everywhere?

Right.

No. The whatever the European Commission is doing. And, you know, he had a couple seconds of reaction. He was like, okay, whatever, you know, and he just kind of brushed it off. And he went in, and I and I think back to how you have described his talk at Web Summit several years ago, genuinely believing that this is a security risk.

Yeah. And

that just that was abundantly clear.

Well, and one thing I think that is probably I don't know Craig Federighi. Never met him. This is just sort of conjecture, but he does seem like a true believer when it comes to the software side of this. Right? Craig Federighi has nothing to do with the app store.

Because there was also a whoop for when he mentioned documentation for Swift. And so rightly so. You know?

He thinks that yeah. That he was expecting that one, probably.

Right. So it was it was just fascinating. So I recommend, watching that the talk show when it comes out, especially when John, Jay and Jerry comes out to really talk about Apple Intelligence and the training data. So highly recommend. That was we did we just did a whole hour on Apple Intelligence and I think that was worth it.

Yeah. I agree.

I think that was worth it. So real quick, I wanna mention the setting that you you literally wrote a whole article about because I think you saw it in person, but mirroring your iPhone to your Mac in macOS Sequoia. Are you excited about that?

I'm super excited about it. I think that it's, like the reason I think this is awesome is it is the kind of they talked to this is like an extension of continuity. Right? Continuity is the thing that essentially lets you do the universal clipboard, universal control, which is where you can, like, have one mouse and slide it off of your thing, and it'll end up on your iPad. And then also, like, continuity camera.

Oh, so you can't do that?

No. You cannot do that.

You can't have your iPhone mirrored to your Mac and then start the Mac display and vision pro?

Right. Yeah. That's like inception level versions of continuity right there. You cannot do that because you can only have one. You can only have one continuity. And there actually are security reasons for that. I don't know what they are. So when somebody ask

what anybody say, like, why can't then I mirror my iPhone into vision pro directly?

I I did not think to ask that, but I think that the reason has to do with the fact that it's running iPad OS and not, like, I mean, there's just that's just not really built into that, I think, at this point. But I mean, here's the thing. You can basically virtualize your Mac onto your iPad using sidecar. Right?

Oh, right. Yeah.

So, like, in theory, you should be able to I don't know. This would be nobody asked this, but can you, like, mirror your iPhone onto your Mac and then using I bet you you could actually do that. I bet you you could drag it over to Sidecar. Yeah. Because it's just treating it as a separate monitor at that point.

So if I if I FaceTime somebody and share play control their device because that's coming in iOS 18, can you then mirror that device onto the Mac then into car not carplay. I think you should just take

the Vision Pro off at that point and just use your phone if that's the problem that you're happy. But anyway, it was very cool. I think it's actually super useful. The number of times where you the reason is like the whole notification thing, right? You you don't have to have your phone open when you're working on your Mac.

it. I'm excited to try it. I don't wanna complain about iPad OS because there's just this you know, that's that.

There's no journal.

Maybe one day more.

At this time. Yeah.

Let's go for that another time. We're gonna talk about how Elon Musk's reaction to all the Apple Intelligence was kinda wild. I mean, he fundamentally didn't understand what it was, like he replied to Tim Cook announcing Apple Intelligence saying, don't want it. He got community noted.

Yeah. Well, he gets community not noted a lot. Let's be honest. Did Tim Cook respond to that tweet?

No. Tim Cook never. He doesn't reply.

Right. Well, he just invites them for a walk. That's the best part. Elon Musk was actually just mad he didn't get an invitation to WWDC. And so he's he's trolling Tim Cook, hoping that he'll get invited for another walk at Apple Park, because that's literally what Tim Cook did the last time that, because remember he was, like, all mad about, like, they're not getting a deal off of the 30% cut on his Twitter premium or whatever.

I do remember I do remember that. Also, I mean, MKBHD replied to Elon Musk trying to explain that Apple at no point sends any of your data to OpenAI without explicit user permission, because he was Elon Musk was saying, like, he's gonna put people's iPhones in Faraday cages.

Yeah. But here's the thing. Okay. This is what I wanna say about this. Yeah. Are you not gonna let people buy Windows PCs anymore then? Because every single one of them being sold essentially from this point on is gonna have literally chat gpt built in to Copilot. Right? Like, so this is a re are they gonna be running Linux Linux computers there for like, what are the what are you doing?

Anyway. Okay. I don't wanna get any more 3 stars.

Yeah. I'm sorry. That's But I love my Tesla. I super love my Tesla.

I still want a Tesla. I mean, I would like to buy a used one. Anyway, I'll put Jason's article because he wrote about, Elon Musk's reaction to that, which is pretty wild. The other things oh, I'll just say real quick. I I actually got my, my AI devices out of the drawer

Oh, wow.

For this segment of the show, which is gonna be 30 seconds. These things are dead. All these things are dead.

You mean you haven't charged them in 3 weeks?

That too. But also they're just like it's over.

They have no purpose anymore.

If if someone had a tombstone, basic Apple guy, if you wanna make this image, please do it. You have to share it on your social media. But rip AI devices, January 2024 to June 2024, 6 months. I don't know what animal has a 6 month lifespan, but that's what these had.

Cicada, maybe? Those are, like, the cicadas of the Cicada. I don't

know. Like, 2 things. Joanna Stern did a great human AI pin review video, which I think the most useful feature that she uncovered was translation. But it wasn't great, it wasn't super reliable, but it was one of the best features it had.

Yep.

If you remember, Jason, Apple announced a standalone translation app for what device?

The watch. Listen.

Apple.

I feel so vindicated because have I not? I I have been very consistent that the killer AI device is the Apple Watch. I mean, it doesn't do any AI stuff yet, but this is where that should live. And just think I mean, I don't know. This thing is not running an m series processor, so I don't think you're gonna get, like, Apple intelligence in Siri on this particular The translation

is probably gonna be great

on it. Yes. And, and the fact that it think about it, like I can, if I can ask. Dingus or whatever we're calling her now, so that we don't upset people's home pods, by the way, just turn the feature off on your home pod if you're gonna listen to this. This should just be like I

turn it off of my

The minimum requirement for listening to primary check is you have to turn it off. But if you ask it on your watch, I think

one of the things. Yeah. My, my, my, my son has a, OG home pod in his bedroom. And every time I open the home app, I kept seeing one accessory not connected. And I would go in, and it would be his HomePod.

He was

like, oh, okay. Yeah. I'll plug it back. In. So, like Yeah. This is such a widespread issue that my 11 year old son is, like, just unplugging his home pod so it doesn't listen. He's like nuclear option there.

Well, we the reason we did it first was because our daughter we have a daughter named Macy, which when you say that out loud in the house, sounds like, hey, the thing. And so constantly we we like, Macy, come to dinner and I can't help you with that. Like, constantly see it. Like, here's a web result. For Our home pods are just constantly, like, would you like to ask me something different?

So this translation was one of the key features, not it. The other key features like catch up, which couldn't even see the text messages on your phone, which is useless like Apple Intelligence, totally just Sherlock'd all of that. So any value that the iPad had by itself is now gone. And then the Rabbit r one, which the selling point was the large action model so it could order DoorDash, which I tried a bunch of times and it never He's

still waiting for his cheeseburger.

I'm still waiting for the coffee and bacon egg and cheese that I ordered 3 months ago. But

If it shows up, do not eat it. If it if it comes at this point

It's been sitting in a dude's car for 3 months. Well, it errored out. You could watch my r one video. It errored out. And I'm gonna do a video just talking more about this, but the large action model, a, shortcuts already has this, which, you know, Nilay talked about on the vergecastic, you could basically put a McDonald's order in a shortcut and order it all with a single tap.

Yeah. Well and several times, both during the keynote and in briefings and in other places, Federighi talked about, like, Siri will be able to understand and take actions on your behalf. Like, that is the goal of all of this. And I use the example, like, wouldn't it be amazing if if you email me, Steven, and you're like, can we move the recording to a different time? And on its own, Siri can, like, analyze the calendar and be like, actually, that time doesn't work and pop up a note vacation on your phone that says, hey.

Right. And Apple already talked about in the keynote the third party integrations. They talked about superhuman, with email. I forgot what else they talked about, but I'm sure Fantastical will be a part of that. Like, it's all going to be there.

Yep.

So large like, it's they're done, I'm sorry. Yep. Like I was optimistic at first, but they're all gone now, they're all alright, we have a bonus episode I want to talk about backpack and and well backpack or not backpack, that was your your your prompt. But last thing for the episode, MKBHD interviewed Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple. Okay.

Right. This is

how this works. Like, this is a common thing.

Yeah. So you might start with, like, the iPhone. You're like, well, is that the best thing he's gonna ask me about? Or is it, like Exactly. Where does it fit? So

And I think the first thing he asked was, like, the MacBook Air. I think, which is a good first one because that is, you know, very meaningful or whatever. So Tim Cook waxed poetically about the MacBook Air, about the moment Steve Jobs took out of the envelope, never ranked it. Never gave a number. To be clear, Tim Cook doesn't number any of these devices. Right?

He loves all of his children the same. Right.

Kudos to Tim k b h d for trying to actually put number rankings on these devices. But there's a moment when he asked about the, see, he's asking about the, the MacBook Air. They talk about that. And so MKBHD says magic mouse. This is the this is the moment which MKBHD shared this clip on social media.

Yeah. He talks about the ergonomics of the magic mouse and it was just delightful.

But all that to say, I'm gonna do a poll in our community today. I wanna know what pointing devices people use. But But I post it on social media because I genuinely believe this, like, I use the Magic Mouse every day. This is my Magic Mouse right here. I have the black one from, like, an old Mac Pro or whatever, and, like, here it is. I'm using it right now. I'm training this whole podcast. It's what I used to click. So what and what do you use, Jason? What is your main point?

I use I mostly use the MX 3, but I have them. I mean, I carry I do carry a Magic Mouse with me in my backpack because it is super, like, light and thin, and that's great. So if I need a mouse going somewhere I use the magic mouse for a very long time. It's great. Just a side note to you for the magic mouse.

Okay. So here's the deal. I understand this thing still needs to be USB c and not here so you don't have to put it into turtle mode to charge. I understand that is a major flaw, although I don't really charge it that often so it's not a big deal. I find this to just be my perfect pointing device.

I I agree. I do like the magic mouse a lot. The there are only 2 advantages to the MX master. Well, here's the thing I like. I like that I can connect it to 3 devices and just tap to switch between them.

I don't even wanna think about it. It's it's terrible terrible analogy. I will say No.

It's actually perfect. It just highlights how ridiculous it is.

Universal controls actually makes it more useful because, like, I drag files to my iPad all the time. Like, for this podcast, I'll drag the WAV files from my Mac to my iPad. Another reason I'm looking forward to iPhone continuity on Mac is dragging video files from my iPhone to my Mac, because I film with my iPhone a lot, and I find AirDrop still fails just enough to be super annoying. And universal control when I drag files is like 99.9% reliable. So I'm looking forward to that reliability.

But Yeah. If you had faster Internet, it probably wouldn't fail as often.

You know what? I think that's the problem. I think I need to get faster Internet. I installed a Wi Fi 7 access point the other day. I don't know if we'll talk about that.

I actually thought you were gonna just hang up the

call on me when I said that to you. Yeah. Yeah. I like the magic mouse. I would love to know if you also love the magic mouse. If it's your main pointing device, You can let us know in the community, social. Primarytech.fm. I'm gonna do a poll, I want to know what everybody's using. You can also leave us a 5 star rating and review, help us get back up to a 5 star podcast because we're 4.9 right now, which is still really good. Thank you all.

It was such a good conversation.

So yeah. So that's that. We're gonna go record a bonus episode, and you can listen to that when you support the show at primary tech dot f m. Click bonus episodes or directly on Apple Podcasts. We're gonna go do that. Thanks for listening. Drop your Apple intelligence questions to us as well, and we'll talk about more all summer. We're gonna talk about it all summer. And, yeah. That's fine. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Catch you next time.