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Alexa Will Send Your Recordings to Amazon, M4 MacBook Air vs M4 Pro, Pebble Smart Watches, Pixel 9a Loses Camera Bump

Mar 20, 20251 hr 12 minEp. 67
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We compare the new M4 MacBook Air to the current M4 Pro MacBook Pro, Google announces Pixel 9a that reverses the camera bump trend, Pebble announces new smart watches, and are your devices really listening to you all the time?

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  • (00:00) - Intro
  • (06:31) - Old Tech: iPhone Collection
  • (07:56) - M4 MacBook Air
  • (11:29) - M4 Pro MacBook vs M4 Air
  • (17:03) - Pixel 9a Announced
  • (19:37) - Apple's C1 Chip
  • (20:25) - Pebble Watch Announced
  • (25:22) - Apple and Smart Watches
  • (29:44) - Sponsor: 1Password
  • (31:24) - Migration vs Fresh Start Mac
  • (37:01) - Alexa Recordings Sent To Amazon
  • (42:20) - Are Devices Listening All The Time?
  • (52:36) - Apple and Trust
  • (59:07) - iPhone 17 Rumors
  • (59:53) - HomeOS Coming
  • (01:00:52) - Plex Raising Prices
  • (01:02:46) - macOS App Dots
  • (01:04:54) - iPhone Backs vs Cases
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Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Someday when spring is here, we'll find our love anew. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. This week, we're talking about the Pixel nine a new Pebble smartwatches that are pretty limited. Apple might be in trouble again, especially in the EU. Are voice assistants really listening all the time, and we might get to some iPhone 17 rumors.

This episode is brought to you by 1Password and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, and joining me on this first day of spring, who's also getting snow, Jason Aitin. How's it going, Jason?

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's good. I think you should have mentioned that the bonus episode is just gonna be clips of you trying to get through the introduction 16 times.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Listen. That was if you're watching on YouTube You won't know. You're gonna see a lot of cuts. You're gonna see a lot of cuts. Because I was so thrown off because we start every episode with a movie quote, and today is the first day of spring. So I searched movie quotes about spring. I was we were talking about it before we started recording, and you literally said the quote before I said it.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I gave Steven a suggestion, and it was the quote he planned on using, which is from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So, man, I I don't understand how now you're like a precog. I That was like a minority report situation. Listen.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I have four children. I've seen all the movies, Steven. Like

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's fair. Yeah. I I know. I know. Anyway, we have the the biggest topic this week is the amount of five star reviews we got, which is going to be a whole segment, which if you didn't know, if you're new to the show, you leave us a five star rating and review an Apple Podcast in any country. We give you a shout out at the top of the show, and people write whole blog posts. I think there were a couple generated by ChatGPT. I don't know if you saw this. A couple. A couple.

There's a couple, but that's hilarious because it's an inside joke. So we're gonna get to that. But there's also some news. I have my MacBook Air in hand. Jason has a different computer that he just bought, which I don't understand, but he'll he'll explain to us. So we should do it. Let's get into it. First of all, we wanna say thank you because we had two goals that we talked about in recent weeks. One, we wanted to hit 2,000 subscribers on YouTube. Guess what?

Boom. We're now at 2,000 o one if you look at our channel. But thank you to everyone subscribing over on YouTube. And, recent episodes have been doing good in the viewership. Well over a thousand views per episode, so appreciate that.

And for all of you leaving five star ratings and reviews in Apple Podcasts, we are now over 300 reviews in Apple Podcasts. Somehow, we still have not achieved the five star rating. I don't know, Jason, if it will if it will happen. I don't know how averages work, but

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Math is hard.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

We need 1,000 more five star reviews, basically. So keep them coming. Listen. If everyone who listens to this show left us a five star rating and review, we'd have well over several thousand five star reviews. I'm just saying, just doing the math, we might become a five star show then.

So so do it if you can. And listen, we're gonna give shout outs. This is I'm gonna try and do lightning speed, but still, you know, everyone leaves funny comments and then they tell us their preferences. So I'm gonna try and do this quick. Barty Burns from The USA. Yeah. Lengthy shortcuts post. I'm gonna try and talk about that in my YouTube channel. Steve in British Columbia, Canada. Get all of Jason's preferences when it comes to battery and phone, but I'm not gonna get into that.

Trying to get slim from USA. Apple Pencil tip up. So that was on my side, but battery percentage on. Sepmer from Belgium. Battery percentage on, left rear pocket. He said iPhone four design was the best design. He's on my side there. Beamer on a Beamer from USA, battery percentage on, bunch of stuff. Old tech though, he had a RadioShack TRS 80 pocket computer and once surfed the digital waves on a 300 baud modem. You even know what that is? I don't even know what that is.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. That's like when you used it to plug it into a phone line.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Oh, okay. Like a 56 k. Except for stuff.

Jason AtenJason Aten

If you do the math, it's a lot slower than what you just described.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So Oh, I see. Okay. I see. Fron Bessora from Spain. Battery percentage off. Thank you. IPhone in the dominant pocket. Appreciate it. Dots on Mac. I'm gonna come back to that dots on the dock on the Mac. That's a hard sentence to say. Russ o 756 from USA, M Forty Forty from Israel, Walf Wintergard from The USA. And he said battery percentage on, phone and back pocket. Pencil tip away from falling buttons. You won on all accounts.

Thrash 10. I turned off my oh, this was good. I turned off my battery percentage on the iPhone to try something new. It's been strangely enjoyable, maybe even a bit relieving. Thank you, thrash ten. I think that's what you would experience. Definistrator nineteen, five stars as a belated birthday present. Thank you. That was the last week. Better percentage on.

Pen Apple Pencil tip towards the volume buttons, and then phone in whichever pocket I have access to at the moment. That's funny. Shahad from Canada, better percentage on. Dot's on. Happy birthday, Steven.

Thank you. S r l seven seven four one from The USA. They want a video on Apple Podcast. Now listen. I'm a take a little break here because whenever we whenever we talk about meta the meta discussion about podcasting on this podcast, I just wanna say video is possible on Apple Podcasts, but you have to have an entire separate RSS feed just for the video.

That means hosting a whole other show and then doing all the double posting. What Apple needs to do is what Spotify did, which allows me to go in and upload a video and attach it to an episode that already exists. That's what I do in Spotify for creators. So, anyway, if Apple's listening, that's what you need to do. And then, hopefully, one day it will come.

T Walt from USA. They said this is the one I think might have been ChatGPT. They said Primary Tech has been the absolute favorite podcast since 1973 when it was only available on eight track tape.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Do you know what those are?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I've seen them.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I've never held one.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Also But

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I've seen

Jason AtenJason Aten

Also, what year were you born?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Nineteen eighty six.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Wow. You're younger than I thought, Steven. Well, I was not born in 1973 either, so I was just curious if if any we didn't know we were second generation podcasters on this show.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I did I did not know that. Although, if there's ever a way I don't know if there's a way to actually get a digital podcast file to on an eight track. I'm sure there are devices to do that. That'd kind of hilarious. Or maybe a LP. Alright. We're just get two more, three more. D h f k f j g k f u. Sorry. I don't know. I don't no. No. Not like that. It's a difficult name. I don't know what that name is.

From The USA, Lonely Crow from The UK were their first Apple show or Apple podcast that they subscribed to. Thank you. We're not gonna technically Apple only. It's just a slant. It's a heavy slant because, you know, that's just our experience. And that was it. That was all the five star reviews. Thank you so much to all of you all over the world for doing that. Keep them coming. Maybe one day will be a five star show again.

And I did have some old tech I wanted to show because this was from Shahab at I believe it was in the community. This is the iPhone collection from Shahab all the way back to the original iPhone. Looks like he's got the three g and the three g s four five. Skipped the six generations maybe. What was that white box? Do you remember, Jason?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I have no idea. But I just wanna be clear. Technically, is an iPhone box collection. Well Because I have a lot more iPhone boxes than I have iPhones, just to be clear.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But no okay. Now hold on because he's gonna be like, well, now wait a minute. I sent another picture.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

He does have the picture of the phones. Great. He does have the picture of the phones. Now I don't see the original there.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's got

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

he's an

Jason AtenJason Aten

He's got an AirPort.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

This listen. This picture, this will be the chapter.

Jason AtenJason Aten

The old Mac mini. There's a g four cube in there.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Four cube. Got an Apple Vision Pro casually on the bottom shelf.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Next to a g four cube. They're probably about as useful as each other to most people.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Wow. You still use the Apple Vision

Jason AtenJason Aten

Pro today? Put it on this morning. He's got an iPhone or an iPod video still shrink wrapped and a HomePod mini still shrink wrapped.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That does not shrink wrapped. Got a red is that a red iPhone seven? That looks pretty nice.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Project Red right there.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Got a five c in the lime green. Still has the jet black seven plus, I believe. That's those jet blacks. It's been a while. The nice collection.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And just a random 60 watt adapter sitting there on the shelf or whatever that is, the plug.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That yeah. That's that is pretty funny. It's good. So very cool collection. Thank you for sharing that, Shahab. That'll be the chapter artwork as well. For the first topic, wanna talk about how much I love the MacBook Air. I know this might this is, like, old news because I'm new to the MacBook Air game. But because this is my first MacBook Air ever, I am discovering the love of having a thin and light computer for the first time.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Because I've never I've never had one. And it's wonderful. And I think it's great. That's my review. No, did

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's wonderful and I think it's great.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's wonderful and I think it's great. That's the headline. I will say I did a video. Video did well, so thank you if anybody watched that. I compared it to my m three Pro MacBook Pro.

I held it precariously over my pool and then put it precariously on the ledge of a pool. Basic Apple guy, you know, struggle with that. But anyway, I compared it in my Final Cut editing, compressor exports, Pixelmator stuff. The m four MacBook Air is a powerful machine. Compared to the m three Pro specifically, it's actually faster at some things.

Like, it actually did a compressor export faster than my m three Pro MacBook Pro, but the MacBook Pro did a Pixelmator super resolution, which, like, uses all the ML stuff to add resolution to an image. And the Pro did that faster. So basically, it's like depending on your workflow, some things might be faster, some slower compared to the m three Pro specifically. But for that reason, my m three Pro is gone, Jason. It is in the wind.

It's flying back to Apple as a trade in. I'm I'm keeping the m four Air because it's wonderful. Typing on it. Several people actually in the comments of my video mentioned, yeah, I feel the difference typing and I don't know why like, Apple didn't say anything. No official anything, but typing is definitely better. And so yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I was a little bit disappointed that you didn't you didn't give credit to where

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

you heard

Jason AtenJason Aten

about this for the first time as if you came up it's fine.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Don't know. But did I well, in the video

Jason AtenJason Aten

You're like, yeah. And my cohost, he thinks this too. No. He told you. Your cohost told you that this is going to be the case.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That is fair.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Fact, your cohost gave you advanced information even before the reviews dropped that the typing was different.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

You know what's funny is? I'm gonna do an accessory video on this m four air, and I'm gonna I will have a segment in the video where I just put your face on screen.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Please don't.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And I'll say public service announcement. No. PSA.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Nope. It's fine.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Jay's at eight. I don't know. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Now quick question, though. Yeah. Your m three pro MacBook Pro was probably, in a lot of things that you do, faster and more powerful than your Mac Studio. Correct? I'm curious why you didn't get rid of that one and just hang on to this one for a while until you upgrade your Mac Studio. Because it's like it seems like you it was an interesting decision you were kind of faced with because you could have just slotted that thing and turned it into, a desktop laptop.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Here's the thing. My m one Max Max Studio, it has 64 gigs of unified memory, two terabyte SSD, and I think there were you know, there's usually two options for core counts on the m one Max's, And so I got the higher one on this Mac Studio when I got it. And I still find this to be faster than even my MacBook Pro on exports through Compressor. And when I need when I'm multitask, meaning I'm, like, transcribing an audio, I'm editing video, I'm exporting a different video. My Mac Studio never hiccups or slows down.

I don't know if the Mac m three Pro did either, but it did not export as fast as my Mac Studio. I don't know the reason behind that. I don't know if it's the core count or whatever. Plus ports, Jason, we already talked about this. I am not giving up a single port and using a Thunderbolt dock. But, yeah, the the m four AIR is wonderful, and so I kept that. But you decided to not if you you got a new computer, and you decided not to get an air. Well What do you do?

Jason AtenJason Aten

For sure that the m four air was gonna be the thing, and it's great. But here's I've been using MacBook Airs for a really long time, and it's great. And but there was a part of me that's like, hold on. I can basically keep this for, I don't know, six or seven years before I send them I'm just kidding. I don't keep them that long.

But, I mean, it's like, oh, it it would be pretty silly to do that. But just public service announcement for all of our listeners, there are actually some insane deals right now. B and H Alright. Right now has some Yes. Ridiculous deals that essentially amount to a free RAM upgrade.

And so Right. Yeah. I was looking at different things, and there's an m four pro MacBook Pro now sitting on my desk because it just it's and it's and it is actually faster in a lot of ways than the m three max MacBook Pro was and a lot of stuff. And so

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Now you got you got the one that had 48 gigs Yep. Unified memory? Yep. See, B H still calls it RAM. Apple doesn't like saying RAM anymore. They say unified

Jason AtenJason Aten

memory. You know why? Because B and H knows that no one knows what the heck that means.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. Exactly. So this is this is the one you got. Right?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. That's a 16 inch there, buddy.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Oh, my bad. My bad. You got the 14 inch. Okay. Just yeah. I was wondering why this is more expensive. But you got the 14 inch with the 48 gigs.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And the one terabyte.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But it's only one terabyte SSD. That's

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's fine. It's fine.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I know. I know. This is the one you got.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right? Yes. That's You got the 48

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

gigs, one terabyte SSD for $2,400. This is basically, like, $200 away from the MacBook Air I just got, but very but powerful.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Ports, Steven. Ports. We just talked about ports, But

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

those actually that's actually not the well, the ports I need listen, I have very specific port needs. Okay? Anyway, I'll go link to this computer if you wanna buy it. Affiliate link, %, just saying. It'll be in the show notes, but yeah. There you go. Do you have do you have affiliate links?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. Affiliate links? What is that? No. I'm just kidding. No. I'm not allowed to do affiliate links, Steven. I'm a journalist.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Wow. Excuse me. Excuse me. I will not say I'm a journalist so I can continue doing affiliate links. Oh, there we go. Anyway, I love my MacBook Air. Jason got a new MacBook Pro. Leave us questions in the community. I I really love the Air though. Typing on it is wonderful.

I brought it the battery also, love the battery life. That is one another noticeable difference. I didn't talk about it a ton in the video, but I can leave this thing on standby, like not use it for a day, and it still has a lot of its battery left. I can also if I'm doing just like menial tasks, that battery like barely moves. Like it like I used it for maybe like two hours last night, just typing in my community or whatever, and it was like 5% battery. After a couple hours, I was like, this is

Jason AtenJason Aten

MacBook Air, great. Best computer for most people. For almost

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

every problem.

Jason AtenJason Aten

When I say most people, I mean, like, 97 and a half percent of people.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That half percent. You may or may not be in that

Jason AtenJason Aten

half probably two and a half percent of people for which a MacBook Pro or a desktop of some sorts makes more sense. Sure. MacBook Air for everyone else.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So now that we started several this is all gonna be cut out, our listeners and viewers don't realize this. But we've had like four recordings so far because I keep messing up. I accidentally stopped a recording. And now I don't like, the time is usually like how long we've been going.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I just think

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

it's not on my You know what? This is why you get paid the big bucks.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And subtract about seven minutes from that. We've probably been recording for about eighteen minutes.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

We've been recording for three hours so far. It's The only The only thing I wanna say I returned my first Apple review unit yesterday, and I looked back because last year and I said it in the video, but the AirPods four, Apple sent me those to review back when those came out in September. And, you know, they tell you, return them by this date. Jason usually goes two years longer than that

Jason AtenJason Aten

date, and then he'll return. Listen. I said Listen. You're very large box back just last week with a whole bunch of things that, had been in here for a long time.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So they gave you

Jason AtenJason Aten

the MacBook Air in there. There was maybe

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Are you for real? No. I'm

Jason AtenJason Aten

kidding. Twenty eighteen iPad Pro. Say. No.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I looked back at the email because they tell you, like, please return by this date. Obviously, it's just a suggestion as Jason can tell from experience. But my six month date was, like, March 22. And so I beat it by, like, three days. And so I've the one product that I've sent back, at least has been on time.

Jason AtenJason Aten

What did you send back? AirPods four?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

AirPods four. ANC and regular. But the next I think the next thing that they send me that I to return is an iPad mini, and we will see I'm probably gonna go past six months more than that. I'm gonna be honest. But I'll send them an email. Do you send them an email to, like, request more time or you just, like

Jason AtenJason Aten

It depends on what it was. Right. Generally, like, I have a lot of review units, and so I tend to, like, twice a year just box a bunch of things up and send them back. And I feel like as long as I keep doing that, that if there's a thing that they're like, we would really like this back, I'll absolutely put it in a box and send it back immediately. I will I'm not very good about requesting an extension to those review loans.

But it's not because I'm trying to be, like, mischievous about it. It's just because I just, you know, it's it's the first day of spring. I gotta go box up a bunch of stuff to send back, and then I'll do the same thing in the fall kind of a thing.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

The the the biggest one for me is gonna be the iMac because they sent me the m four iMac to review, and that's just gonna be a pain in the box and I was like

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, the good thing was so when I got the m four iMac to review, I boxed up the m three iMac and sent it back in the same box that they sent me the m four in, and I just sent it back. Wow.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So I should just wait for the m five iMac. That's interesting.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Would there be an m five iMac? Interesting question.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

We'll talk about rumors later because there are some rumors we wanna talk about. I wanna talk about the Pixel nine a because Apple released their quote unquote budget phone recently, iPhone 16 e, which costs $600. Right? Isn't it $5.99?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Correct.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. $600. So the Pixel nine a was announced. It's not available for preorder yet, but, of course, MKBHD already has his review up. So I'll put that link in the show notes. This is the Pixel nine a. It will be $500. You'll be able to preorder next month in April. So undercutting Apple's, quote, unquote, budget phone by a hundred dollars, notably, two things. There's no camera bump on this phone.

Pixels have recently had, like, that bar across the top, like it's the visor from the Star Trek guy. Now there's no camera bump. They just straight up made the phone thicker. And what people have been asking for for years from all the phone makers is, like, take away the camera bump, just make the phone thicker, and add more battery. That's exactly what Google did.

The battery in the Pixel nine a is even larger than, like, the XL phone, like, the recent XL phone. So it's a larger battery, no camera bump. I'm curious, Jason, how do you feel because we might get to the iPhone 17 design rumors. How do you feel about this look? The no camera bump, no bar look in 2025.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, it's not that different than the 16 e.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

True. That's true.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, these

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

are bump on the 16 e, but it's not significant.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And the I mean, it's more like just a camera.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's just a camera. I I like it. I think this is a cool look. And especially if you get, like, a fun color, I mean, I think it looks really cool, the the Pixel nine a. I'll put a chapter artwork. You could see it if you're just listening too. But I'm, yeah, I'm down. I I'm always tempted to try Pixel. I don't know if I will I mean, I don't know if my audience cares about it, but it looks cool. I don't know. I do have did we talk about the Nothing Phone on the show?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. Because you started talking about it six minutes after we finished recording because, you know, you didn't think that would be something you'd wanna cover on your tech podcast.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's right. I did get this because I've tried Pixel phones in the past, and I'm never crazy about it. So I did get a Nothing Phone three a. They didn't send it to me. I just I bought this because I wanted to try it. And so I'm gonna try it a little more. We'll talk we'll talk about that later. But anyway, it's nice. I like the the aesthetic. It's fun.

But I like you know, I think I would like if Apple made the phone thicker and take the camera bump away, or do you or do you not want a thicker phone? Would you make that trade off?

Jason AtenJason Aten

If it was thicker, the weight class of the 16 as opposed to the 16 Pro, then probably it'd be fine.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That is true. It would get very heavy. It would get very heavy. Also, it makes phone heavy. No.

I don't know if this does it or not. But the c one chip, Apple's first party developed cellular modem, which is only in the iPhone 16 e right now, not in any of the new iPads or anything, Turns out, it looks like it's outperforming Qualcomm's chips when it comes to cellular and things like data speeds. Average data speeds are faster on the c one. Do you think we'll see this in the 17 lineup, or we're have to wait another year? I don't

Jason AtenJason Aten

know if it'll be in the 17 lineup, but I think it's pretty clear that this is where Apple absolutely wants to use this. That's been true for they wouldn't have spent a billion dollars on Intel's modem business if they weren't gonna like, they didn't they're not just writing that down. They're gonna do something with it, and they're apparently not putting it in Mac.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's so annoying.

Jason AtenJason Aten

So I'm sure that they're gonna be putting it in, you know, iPads and iPhones soon. So

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's cool. Overperforming. Then another I don't know if it was big, but another announcement, if those, listeners and viewers remember the Pebble smartwatch. This is like years ago back was it before the Apple Watch? The original Pebble was before the Apple

Jason AtenJason Aten

that's true. Yeah. I think so.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I believe yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Was true. Yeah. Well, it launched in 2012. So

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Apple Watch was 2015. So yeah. Yeah. This was one of the first quote unquote, like, smartwatches. And then, obviously, once the Apple Watch came out, Pixel watches are out there, Samsung Galaxy watches, kind of went away for a while. Well, it's it's back. Pebble Watch, you can actually preorder it right now. It doesn't start shipping until December, so you're gonna have to wait a minute if you wanna get your Pebble Watch. Two different watches.

It has e ink screens or they call it epaper screens rather than a digital screen. And, of course, because it has that besides the digital screen, you're gonna have amazing battery life on a Pebble watch. The only problem is they say 30 battery life, IPX eight water resistance, custom watch faces. That's a big feature distinct to Pebble watches. And someone a couple of people asked me if I'm gonna review one of these, and I'm like, here's the thing.

And there was actually a whole blog post from do you know how to say his name? Eric Eric Eric Michikoski. He wrote a whole article about why the Pebble Watches can't do all the things that the Apple Watch can, much of this because of how Apple locks down iOS and how it can't communicate. And so here's a whole list. I'll put a link to this blog.

All the things that the Pebble Watch can't do, like send text messages or iMessages, take actions on notifications. I don't think any of the I don't know if health stuff would actually sync or not. But, you know, if you wanted an Apple Watch for the functionality, you're not gonna get that from a Pebble Watch because it's just limited. And no smartwatch can because of the limitations that Apple puts on it. So it's an I don't know. It feels like an odd product to try to launch right now. Right?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, okay. So this is interesting because, Eric Majakowski was, like, the person who created the pebble in the first place. Right? Right. And then that was, I think, where they bought by Fitbit, which became a part of Google maybe maybe.

And Google has just decided they're going to open source pebble o s because they're not using it. So, like, whatever. So they they open sourced it, and so they he just decided he's gonna recreate this because he wanted it to exist in the world. Right? And so I think he's also the same guy that did beeper. Remember the whole that I think that's now owned by Automatic maybe? I'm not sure.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Anyways. Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

So the I mean, he has some like, he's pretty well respected as someone who who knows what they're doing. And I think this is more of a it's kind of a novelty. It's sort of a like, someone who just really it's like the same kind of people who maybe bought the the what was that thing called? The r one the r one? The was it the

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Wait. Router one?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. The people who just like For the Hemian AI pins? Yeah. Exactly. No.

They got a Maybe not the Hemian AI pin that's a little bit more expensive than this thing. But people who who who were fans of Pebble and later Fitbit and that kind of stuff is a slightly different audience than people who are fans of the Apple Watch. So, yeah, it is a much more limited thing. But I think I think that it's gonna probably, as a novelty at the price point that it's selling at, be really cool. Because if what you want is some something that'll tell you the time, track some data on your activity, that's great.

The problem is, yeah, the next level thing for most people is notifications. And because if you like, on your watch, for real, do you use any apps that is not the time, maybe the weather, and maybe, like, tracking things?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

The only one I

Jason AtenJason Aten

Home maybe? Home app.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I do use the home app on my watch, and I do use Anylist for grocery shopping because it's nice not to have to hold the phone and check items off as you're shopping.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. Great.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I use Anylist. That's like the one app that I use. Otherwise, it's just all

Jason AtenJason Aten

app still is basically just serving you data from your phone.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

%.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. So Yes. The and then that so that's essentially still in my mind lives in, like, the notification category because it's, like, just stuff like that. Like, there's not very many things people are using. Like, you're not using a trail app, right, to go hiking random trails, that kind of

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

thing. No. No.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No. So I feel like for a lot of people, this is gonna be really interesting. The blog post obviously points out why it's problematic because Apple doesn't let you do all these things, which leads into another topic that we have to talk about. But I Yeah. I don't know. I just thought it was really I it's good that people are trying things.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Hundred $50 for the Core two Duo version, which is kind of a hilarious name, if you remember the Intel Core two Duo processors. That's got a 1.2 inch screen. The Core Time two is 225. One and a half inch screen, but that's also a touchscreen. So it looks like no touchscreen on the on the cheaper one. But What's cool Yeah.

Jason AtenJason Aten

What's cool about that Core two Duo is he says that the name is so there was a Core two before, and the Duo means it's a do over. So it's like redoing the one he did before. So and he's having fun with it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's no. That's fun. Listen. I'm I'm I love Gedget. This is fun. So the thing is with Apple not allowing smartwatches like this to work like an an Apple Watch, I don't I almost said iWatch. I don't know why. Wow. It almost just came out. Don't have to wash my mouth.

I was soaked later. Europe and even and The US are trying to move Apple to get Apple to actually allow devices like this to function more like an Apple Watch. The EU is, you know, through the Digital Markets Act, doing things. And if you remember, the Department of Justice here in The US also has a case against Apple that's open. As you know, I don't know when we actually see the trial or when it's gonna happen.

But one of the main points from the DOJ case is also smartwatches and exclusivity of the Apple Watch with iPhone. So they could, in the near future, actually be pushed to allow things like Pebble Watch to be more functionable. Is that more functionable?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Super not the right way to say that.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Super not the right word. No. To function better. Well, you'll have more better features.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You just added lots

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

of Functional. I don't know what

Jason AtenJason Aten

You combine functional and pebble, and you got functionable.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Brilliant. Yes. But yeah. So I don't know. Do you think I don't know. Will we see movement there? EU or

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, the EU is literally just saying you have to do this. Like, the digital market tech already gives them the ability to do this, and the statement from the EU is literally just, we're just enforcing the law. Like, this is what the law says. We are going to make the countries. And their statement was something along the lines of, like, doesn't matter.

And this is interesting because there's so much politics behind it, but they're like, doesn't matter where your company's based. If you if you exist in the EU, you have to follow our laws. And by law, this is you have to open up your platform to allow third parties. Honestly, this is this is so weird, Steven, because on the one hand, I hate what the EU is doing. I don't want product designed by governmental regulators.

That's just a terrible, terrible outcome for everybody. Right? Because they think interop this is their statement. Interoperability enables a deeper and more seamless integration of third party products with Apple's ecosystem. The problem is, like, there's a whole different level of things that Apple is never going to want to let happen.

So think about if you have a third party device that all of a sudden has access to all of your messages. Right? There's no way you've lost the ability to keep those things end to end encrypted all the way through the cycle because now they're being exposed to a third. And how is that third party device handling it? Is it uploading it from an app on your phone to a server somewhere and then downloading it to that device?

There's this is a lot more than just, hey. Make make it so that I can buy a Pixel watch and use it with my iPhone. Right? And Right. Also, why shouldn't Apple be able to build devices that work better with its own devices?

I I don't understand that argument. It's like you're we're saying that just because Apple's big, and to be clear, they're the biggest company on earth, so, like, fine, But that they should no longer be allowed to innovate. Like, right now, I don't think we wanna do anything to slow down innovation at Apple because they already seem to be struggling on that front in some ways. Right? Let's make it as easy as possible. Fair.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Yeah. So And there's other so and other countries too. Like you sent me a couple articles here from websites that I can't read, like the Financial Times. The Brussels

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, that's the EU. Brussels is the EU. Mhmm.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It is the EU. All again, I just every anytime I go to the Financial Times, it just amazes me. Like, when you click a link to their article, this is what you see. The headline is smaller in font than the try unlimited access, only a dollar for four weeks. I mean, hilarious.

Just hilarious. But there's also a Fast Company article about the EU and Apple and tech and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, that's all there. Okay. I wanna talk about Alexa Plus AI voice assistance and trying to convince people that they're not listening. That's what I should have said in the intro. I'm gonna hold on. I'm gonna I'm gonna drop a marker. I'm gonna add

Jason AtenJason Aten

a can't wait to I'm gonna watch this whole episode because I have no idea how it's gonna turn out.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I'm gonna keep this in the show, but I'm gonna I'm recording just a little bit because I wanna put it in the intro. We're gonna talk about whether voice assistants are actually listening and how to convince family and friends that they are not. Okay. Yeah. That's what wanna put in the intro.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I'm so happy. What? No. That's great. I'm so happy.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Okay. And speaking of security, like we just did, I'm gonna try I try to do a transition. This show, I just feel so off the rail. I don't know what's going on. It's the first day of spring. Think I'm just throwing

Jason AtenJason Aten

allergies, Steven. Just can always blame it your You can blame

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

it on your I don't have allergies. Trying to help you. I don't have allergies.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I'm throwing you a softball across the plate. That's a sport. I'm just trying to help you out here.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I know that softball is a sports ball. But what I what I wanna talk about is I wanna thank our sponsor for this week, which is 1Password. And listen, we talked about security and privacy, and that's important, especially if you're at a business, a brand, and you have a bunch of devices that are distributed to a team. You gotta keep that stuff secure and private and people not doing their own thing, downloading apps and other identities on their devices. But what happens is when you use mobile device managers and some of the other services, it really locks down devices, then employees are, like, frustrated because they can't do what they want with their devices.

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That's all lowercase. Link is in the description. You can click it there. That's 1password.com/primarytech. And thanks to one password for sponsoring this episode. Oh, I forgot to do I wanted to alright. Real quick. We talked about the new MacBooks. I meant to do this earlier, but I'm gonna do it now. You talked about you restored your m the new m four MacBook Pro you just got. Yeah. You restored it from a time machine backup. Right?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. So we talked about this, I think, last week or the week before that I have a time machine backup that is just for review devices. And, basically, my habit of that is I use it to set up a review device, and then at the end of the review device's life, I do a time machine backup. Right? So I have a current so I'm not backing things up to, like, six years ago or whatever.

And so that's what I use. And I actually just when I wanna set something up quick, it gives me, like, 85% of what I want. It just does not add my Dropbox, and it doesn't add my photo library. Why? Because I can just add those from the cloud, like, in the background instantly, and it's quicker, and it's and I never know what size hard drive I'm gonna get or storage I'm gonna get on a review unit, so I can't have, like, 1.6 terabytes of stuff to put on there.

So, anyway Right. So I that's what I used to set up this. And the reason for that was to traditionally, I have bought two terabyte storage on most devices. This one has one terabyte. Was like, great. And from the moment I lifted the lid, attached that drive, and had everything ready to go was twenty six minutes.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's pretty great. I'm gonna time my setup when I eventually get a new Mac Studio. But one of the things that has I always we talked about this, do I start it from scratch new? Do I use Migration Assistant? I've used Migration Assistant in the past for something, I forget what.

But I decided if and when I get a new Mac Studio, I'm gonna start from scratch yet again. One, because I was able to set up my Mac my MacBook Air pretty quickly. It took, like, forty five minutes from scratch. But I wanna show you my system settings screen, and, hopefully, I don't dox myself or anything. This is the login items part of system settings telling you, like, applications that are gonna start up when you restart your computer.

And here's the thing. I come in here sometimes, and I don't I don't know what's happening. It's like you walk into a room and stuff's happening, and you don't know what is, and everybody kinda freezes and looks at you like you're not supposed to be there. That's how I feel when I go to this login items and extensions page. And, you know, I would love to make this window wider so it looked better in the video, but you know what? System settings doesn't do that even though it was recently updated.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It says something. I mean, you have some things that I understand why they would wanna be in the startup. Elgato, whatever, whatever, Hazel, whatever. There are three different Opel camera pieces of software

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

in here. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. This is why I don't use migration assistant because if I get a new Mac, I don't want any of this stuff. And if I were to try and go and, like, delete all the little files in the library folder and application support that have to do with all these little things, like, you would never find them all.

You'll always have that rogue folder or whatever. And, also, I feel like I'm gonna mess something if I delete the library folder I'm not supposed to. 0wcdriveguide.helper. I don't know what that is, but I don't want it on a new Mac Studio if I get one. I have a Google LLC. What even is that? What is that? Because Google Updater is

Jason AtenJason Aten

different. Eye lock. It doesn't tell you if you click on it, does it? No.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

No. You get zero information. You can't even, like, right click. You can't option click. Nothing. There's also so like you said, the Opel Camera. I had to test some webcams, videos on Riverside, so Opel Camera installs, like, 18 different helper applications. So I got these over here. I have Reincubate because I tested out Camo, but I'm not using anymore. Setapp. You have like Setapp, but also like a Setup Limited. What is that? Universal audio. I don't even use a universal audio on like,

Jason AtenJason Aten

I'm looking at your list, and I'm like, I feel like I should have Rogue Amoeba in here somehow.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

A recent update to Audio Hijack and Rogue Amoeba software

Jason AtenJason Aten

It limited

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

doesn't require the kernel installation Okay. So you probably don't have that. Like, the audio capture engine is not necessary anymore. That's fine. Like, I understand.

Rokamibia, I actually get what that is in this list. The other things I don't understand, I'm not gonna install Zoom on my next Mac Studio. I'll just use it in the browser if I ever need to. I don't this is this is why I start from scratch. And if this is just what's in the login items and extensions, who knows what's hiding in that library folder

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's true.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That I don't know. And so that's that's why I do what I do. That's also why I use Hazel. If you didn't know what Hazel was, pro tip. Hazel's a wonderful application from, Noodlesoft, and you can do, like, automations based on files and folders.

So you can say, whenever a PNG file hits my desktop, like a screenshot, move it to this other folder or do these actions with it. I use that with Plex, which we'll talk about in a minute. But Hazel will also when you delete an application that you had installed that wasn't from the App Store you know, if you install something from the Mac App Store, deleting it is you know, because it's sandbox, deleting it is pretty clean. But if you try to delete an application that you installed for, like, a d m g file is it d m g? D m g.

D m d m g. Right?

Jason AtenJason Aten

The DMZ, the Demilitarized Zone? Is that what you're talking about? North Korea.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Thanks for your help. Thanks for your help. If you if you try to, like, delete an application that you just installed from a website, there's gonna be all these files and folders. And Hazel, when you delete it from your applications folder, will search your library and application support folders. We'll try to find all the folders and files related to that app, and we'll ask if you wanna delete those as well.

So I love Hazel for that, but it tries the best it can. Some apps are just sneaky, and they just they just slide stuff in. That's why I start from scratch. That's I just wanted to say that. I wanna talk about voice assistance because Amazon had an announcement earlier this week that it's taking away the option, and I'll put a link to Jason's article in the show notes, the option to toggle on or off the ability to to restrict recordings being sent to Amazon for is it training or interaction?

You had the option.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. So here's the thing. Your Alexa devices, for the most part, handle most of the voice commands on device. That's why you had to be very particular about what you say. Right?

Because it's listening for a very specific combination of words, and it can handle most of those commands on device. And then when it needs data from the cloud, it just sends up a request for the weather or for the sports score or whatever it was. But it doesn't actually have to send your a recording of your command up to the cloud. But with Alexa Plus, you can't handle I mean, there's, first of all, devices that are just they're just dumb. Like, a $35 dumb speaker that they throw in a box of, like, you know, popcorn

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. For Prime

Jason AtenJason Aten

not gonna just you can't handle that kind of thing. And so they're gonna now record you. It used to be that you could tell it don't set you know, save my recordings and send them to the cloud. And, yes, in the past, one of the reasons they would do that there's a big controversy. This actually affected both Amazon, Google, and Apple where they would be sending recordings of your interactions, and then they'd review them by humans.

Right? And that was a big deal. So Amazon added an option to say, don't do this. Don't don't send my recordings to the cloud. They are eliminating that option. You will no longer have the ability to say, please don't do that. And the reason is you can't use this Alexa Plus without sending it because the devices are not capable of parsing your like, the the the large language model is not running on that device. It has to be running on Amazon servers.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

It's not on your Echo Dot on your Bedrock.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's running on Amazon servers, which, by the way, power most of the Internet anyway. Right? Like, AWS. Right? They're gonna send it to the cloud.

And so they are eliminating that feature. And I think it like, my take on this was, no. You shouldn't eliminate that option because guess what? If I have four stupid Echo Dot things that my kids use as alarm clocks, they don't need Alexa Plus. I don't need them to but, also, I don't necessarily want recordings of my children in their bedrooms being sent to Amazon for any reason.

Right? Because once it gets sent to the cloud, yes, they say that they delete it immediately afterwards, but this is not a thing that's necessary for everyone. But this is just so indicative of what tech come. It's the same thing with Apple pushing Apple intelligence on on every device. Right?

I'm sorry, but if I buy an iPad Mini, do I need Apple intelligence if all I wanna do is watch Disney plus and read, you know, Kindle stuff? Like, it's Right. So, anyway, I I think they're handling it wrong. I do think there's a quote in there that I put in there. It's like we, you know, we are, what does it say?

As we continue to expand Alexa's capabilities with generative AI features that rely on the processing power of Amazon Secure Cloud, we have decided to no longer support this feature. Letting people not have their recordings sent to the cloud is not a feature. That should just be the way that it is. Right?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So here's the thing here's the thing about voice assistance. And if you didn't know, if you have ever had an Alexa device and you have an Amazon account, you can actually go and see everything that it has heard and recorded you say. And so I'm actually here on my Amazon account, and it said this was when I had that I got that Echo Show 10. I was like, maybe I'll try Amazon Alexa Plus and make a video about it. And then all it did was show me ads and I immediately returned it.

Apparently, there are settings to turn it off.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Put it in kid mode, by the way. Pro tip, everybody. Put those things in kid mode and it makes it a lot easier.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So these were the few requests that I made when I had that show 10. I said add stevia to cart, liquid stevia. Now here on Amazon's website, so you can again, you log in to your Amazon account, you go to voice history, like, can see all the things that it heard you say, and you can delete the recording. So I'm curious if that will go away. I guess that's that's what they're saying is you won't be able to to delete it.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, it's a little bit different because essentially, you must not have okay. There's a difference between having the recording and having them sent to the cloud. Right? And so the and I don't know. Obviously, these are sent to the cloud because you're looking at it on

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

the web I know. I'm

Jason AtenJason Aten

not looking browser. A web browser. Not have had that feature turned off, the feature turned off. So Yeah. So I would imagine that if and I guess I could just look while if you talk for a second, I can just look and see.

But I'm guessing that, like, someone who had the feature turned on wouldn't be able to see this. And it won't be that you won't be able to delete the recordings. You just won't have the option to not have them sent in the first place because Amazon says that it's only gonna use the recording to process your request, and then it will delete.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But I also feel like likely a very high percentage chance that Amazon is gonna use the request to train its LLM

Jason AtenJason Aten

on Well, and that's the part that I you can't find I could not find in their privacy policy yet.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That so that's the thing. Now the whole LLM side of it and training is one thing, but I just wanted to ask briefly what and and this is for the audience too and for Jason, but I'm curious to hear you can go to social.primarytech.fm and comment on the post for this episode or just hit us up on social media. All our links are in the show notes. But when it comes to speakers with mics in them, that could be a HomePod. That could be an Echo.

That could be a Google Nest device. Very like, we are at a time now I feel like it it increased in, like, concern and then just became an assumption, and the concern lessened that my devices are always listening to me. I have had multiple family members and friends just say that as, like, a thing, as a fact, and just basically accept it now, like in recent years. Like, they just assume their devices are listening to them all the time. I've mentioned this before on a past episode.

If you read the book, The Power of Habit by Charles Duhigg, he talks about research that marketing companies have done and all the method methods they have to target you and your interests that are so much more reliable and better than what you say audibly, but your activity online, your connections between your purchases and vendors. You have the same email address likely for your Target account as you do your bank account, as you do your credit card account, and all that information being connected. Like, advertisers can find out what you want without listening to what you say. And, actually, their methods are better than just hearing what you're talking about. But it is very, very hard to convince someone that their devices are not always listening.

I think news like this exacerbates that fact. The news and I Jennifer Toohey from The Verge, she had a good video explainer talking about what this actually means. And, of course, Jason's article read that in the show notes. But when someone who's not techie hears, Amazon removed the ability to sit to not send recordings to the cloud or whatever. People will be like, yeah.

Duh. They're listening all the time anyway. And that's like that statement too, there's nuance there. Like, are your devices like if you have, hey, Dingus activated on your HomePod, is your device always listening? Kind of.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean,

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

a %, yes. %, yes, but only listening for the wake word. And then once it detects the wake word, then it's actually taking whatever you say after that as a request and maybe doing something with that. Maybe sending it to the cloud, maybe trying to process on device, like when you ask, hey, Dingus on your actual iPhone or with Amazon now, know, sending it to the cloud, maybe training it to LLM. So it's such like a nuanced statement to try and parse to say, yes, but and maybe it doesn't even matter.

Like, maybe people are just kind of giving up and being like, whatever. Like, just listen to everything I say. I don't know. How do how do you approach that with, like, people who say that?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. Typically, though, what people mean when they say my devices are list listening is they mean Instagram on their phone. No. Like, really. Like, that's what people think.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's what they see the ads that are

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's what people think. They're like, my phone is always listening to me and see, I got an Instagram ad that shows that my phone is obviously listening to me. And the point you were making is that actually they don't have to listen to you and even Meta doesn't have to listen to you because it know it's okay. Fine. That's what they normally mean.

I generally speaking, I don't think that that Instagram is listening on your phone because Apple is not a fan of that. Right? Apple's not a fan of that.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. And you can actually get like, that's the one thing on the iPhone. You get the little orange dot or green dot in the status bar when the microphone or camera is active. Right. And that's why if you do something I did a recent video where if you turn on sound recognition.

Like, there's an accessibility feature on the iPhone where it can recognize door knocks, baby crying, smoke detector alarms, things like that for people who are hearing impaired. If you enable that feature, you're gonna see that little orange dot all the time because the the microphone is listening all the time.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. So for your other devices, though, are they listening to you all the time? Yes. They are always listening. Well, here's the no. But here's the thing. Like, literally, there's no way for it to know that there's a wake word being said if it isn't listening for that wake word. That's different, though, than is it recording what I'm saying? Is it whatever? So all the time, those devices, unless you are smart like I recommend and you turn off the HeyDengus on everything except for your watch.

Like, just turn it off on all your HomePods. Turn it off on all your other devices. Oh, when you're when you're setting up a new Mac and it asks you if you wanna do no. You don't wanna do that. Okay?

Just anyway. But even then, like, there are still times when your other devices are always gonna be listening for you to say that. And once you do, then they start a recording because it's a computer. Like, computers don't have an ear and a brain that, like it has to be able to process that command, and so it does. It may creates a little bit of a recording, and then it processes the recording, and then it gets rid of your actual, like, voice interaction.

Right? Like, that part of it. But in this case, the next step, if it has to send it to the cloud is it's gonna actually take a recording, send that to the cloud. And so is that your device is listening to you? In a literal sense, yes.

Is there someone at Amazon that's gonna go through and, like, know everything you're saying? Probably not. I will tell you that there was a time when I did a briefing with Google for one of their, home hub, one of the smaller little ones, the Nest Home Mini Hub thing. I again, I don't know the names of any of them. Doesn't matter. And it has sleep detection on it. Okay?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right.

Jason AtenJason Aten

So all of a sudden in your mind, you're like, how does this device know I'm sleeping? And this particular device has no camera, and they spent a decent amount of time reiterating there is no camera on this. And the reason is they want you to put it on your nightstand next to your bed, and no one wants a camera pointed at them when they're in bed, like, any reason. Like, just there's no scenario where you want that. And Yeah.

The point is you have to be able to trust the devices. Right? You have to trust the people who are making these devices. And I think you're right. What we've learned is most people just don't. They just don't try. They just assume the worst But

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

also no one's gonna stop using their phone or their other devices. And so they just accept it.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. We clearly don't care that much.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

And and they would have made it, like, five seconds into your explanation just then. And then they would have been like, yeah. Okay. Whatever. Like, people just check out. Like, they don't like, not techy people. They our audience too they were locked in on you. I'm just saying, like, when you try to talk to to your father-in-law about your device and not

Jason AtenJason Aten

listening. Well, that's because they stopped after I said, of course it's listening. And they're like, see? Okay. And then

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

they just moved on. It just moved on. But I wanna convince you now because you you you think you are more now convinced that they are listening. Is that right?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, I just what I think I said to you before we recorded was I am less convinced that they're not always listening even though I know that they're not just because what I'm really convinced of is they do such a good job of being able to surface content based on whatever things that you are interested in. And I I couldn't think of a specific example, but there have been a number of times recently where I'm like, maybe they are listening because of something that pops up in the Instagram feed that we just had a random conversation about a thing we don't normally talk about or it's not a because it's if you start seeing ads in Instagram for the place you wanna go on vacation, it's probably because you did, like, a Google flight search or you went to Marriott's website or you did all these things, and all that information is connected in the background and then Facebook. Although Or Hold on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Or you liked a post from a friend who went to Cancun, and so Facebook is like, maybe you're interested in Cancun.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right. Or And that happened. I do have a favor, and I would really like it if Google and Amazon and Meta especially would be a little bit smarter about the content they shove in our faces. Because if I just booked a trip to Cancun, I don't need to see ads for Cancun. If I just watched a YouTube video about how to replace the light bulb in my car, I'm not suddenly a light bulb car aficionado. I don't need my entire feed to be filled with it, but that is exactly

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

what happens. Seventy eight Camaro's light bulb.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's like, oh, you search for one light bulb changing video. Here's 73 more. No. I'm done. I've moved on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Here's here's what here's what I wish AI would do. And if Apple Intelligence did this one thing, it would be worth it. If somehow it knew what things I have purchased or services I already pay for so that any ad for that thing is automatically hidden from me. For instance, I have paid for Squarespace for one thousand years. I should never have to see a Squarespace ad anywhere, ever again.

Jason AtenJason Aten

On television or on an Internet or anywhere. If

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

it well, here's the thing. Like, Apple is actually uniquely positioned to kind of say like, they probably wouldn't do this for privacy and security reasons, but, like, I'm logged into Squarespace on my Apple computer, and I it's in my Apple passwords. Of course, I know they're using that information. But, like, on my Apple TV, if I was streaming something, they should know, like, he already pays for Squarespace. And, like, don't show me that ad.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Right.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Or I don't need to see ads about random charging things because I'm gonna buy it anyways. Need I

Jason AtenJason Aten

need to tell the streets looking for charging things to pick up. He doesn't need

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

the charger?

Jason AtenJason Aten

No ads.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Hasn't any charger? Haven't been had a charger in a while. I would just say, like, all the MagSafe charges that I have bought, I see duplicate ads. Like, I already own that. I own that. Right. I already have that. It would be amazing if all the platforms knew what I have already bought. Like, here's the other thing. I'm looking for a new office chair. I think we've talked about this before. We did. But I keep yeah. I do we don't know. Well, I'm starting to look again.

I hadn't bought anything yet, so I'm looking at the Herman Millers or whatever. And now all Jason, because I searched on Facebook Marketplace for Herman Miller chairs. I cannot walk outside my front door without seeing a Herman Miller ad. It's they're laying on the ground. Right.

They're they're in the trees. They're everywhere, but I get it. Like, they immediately understood that I was interested in this thing. And the amazing part is I'm getting ads for chair companies I never heard of, but that are like immediately, hey, we're better than Herman Miller. Hey, did you see this test we did against Herman Miller? Like, that's the power of the algorithms behind the scenes. Now just use that power to never show me ads for things that I already paid for.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. Would I get that the internet is based on ads. That's fine. I hate it, and it's whatever. But at

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

least in the show.

Jason AtenJason Aten

At least stop showing me the ones for the thing I literally bought three minutes ago.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Thank you. Thank you. That if there's any change we can bring to the world through this podcast, hopefully it's that.

Jason AtenJason Aten

No kidding, Steven. I clicked on an Instagram ad and I bought a thing, and the next day saw 16 more ads for the same thing I just bought.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I think that platform especially Why?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I it. Bought it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Through the Instagram with it. I know. I know. It's ridiculous. Anyway, that's fine. Okay. But you had another article talking about Apple's trust or the benefit of the doubt.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I mean, this is similar to what we did in and I just wanted to expound on I had written back in in December that the one thing Apple needed to do is deliver on its Apple intelligence promises.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yes.

Jason AtenJason Aten

And then it didn't, obviously. And then we had a lot of kerfuffle about that, and I kinda just wanted to circle back on it. And I just so, yeah, I just the the risk to Apple is we we when Amazon says they're gonna put a flying drone in your house, it'll be your security camera all the time. We're like, whatever. Amazon just says stuff.

When Tesla's like the robotaxis are coming, we're like, okay. Maybe. Whatever. Probably not. And but when Apple says that we're gonna do a thing, for the most part, believe them, Not just because Apple always delivers the things that it says, but because, like, we trust them at a different level.

And when they put their most, you know, likable spokespeople up there to to promote something that they just they're nowhere near that, then they've the risk to them is not that Apple intelligence is bad. The risk to them is now they've they've they've lost the benefit of the doubt. And every time someone you know, Apple says a thing, they're gonna have to work harder. They're not gonna be able to skate by just on the, well, we'll just kinda, like, speak it into existence. Right?

The whole reality distortion field, the Right. Reason that people believe Steve Jobs is, one, they believe that he could make it happen. Right? Right. But he had a a large degree of trust. And so I just think, yeah, I think the real risk to them is just, man, trust is your most valuable asset. And once you lose it, it's it's real hard.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Two suggestions I have if Apple's listening. One, go back to live events. People on stage talking about stuff.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Steven, I'm writing that article right now.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

The I WWDC this year should be live on stage.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, it's probably too late for WWDC this year, but I am I'm not kidding. I'm writing an article that says the the one thing that they need to do to prevent this from happening again is go back to live demos.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That, %. And two, I feel like the seeds of this doubt were planted years ago when we started not getting all the dub dub features at the initial OS release. Because all the way up until, like, iOS 14 or 15, it was like every feature you heard about at dub dub in June, you got in iOS 14 dot zero. And maybe there were some bugs. Whatever.

It's expected. But you saw all the features immediately. And now we're in this era where we might not get eight we still don't have 18 dot four with some things, and, like, that's coming maybe this month, maybe in April next month, two months before dub dub the next year. And so I think it's a small thing, but but I don't think it's a small thing. I think if they go back to saying everything we announced in June, you're gonna see it in September or at least with the initial launch of iOS, I think that will help build that trust again to say we announce features and we ship features.

Like, Apple's great at announcing features, and they're okay at shipping features. Like, ship a lot of features, and some of them you know, you see most of the dub dub features by, like, December. You know, usually by, like, iOS 18 dot two or three that you get around December time, you'll see most of the features. But I think they should go back to just saying we get we announce it, and we ship it, and it's like clockwork. Because I do feel like there were many years where it was like that.

It was clockwork. You saw it at Dub Dub, and you saw it in September.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I disagree. The reason why I disagree is Okay. Because two well, two things. One Yeah. I think it's fine to stagger the features as long as you deliver them. And I can't think of other than CarPlay two. Anything that they announced at, like, something like that, they promised was coming that they didn't deliver at any point other than, like, Apple Intelligence. And I think the reason for the staggering makes sense. Here's why.

One, it gets people to continue to upgrade update throughout this the year. Otherwise, you just upgrade to the zero point zero and, like, people don't that's why the emojis don't come until, like, the point two or something because they know that that's the thing that will get people

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

that are fine. It's fine.

Jason AtenJason Aten

But but the other thing is it allows them to take on more ambitious things that may not seem like a big deal to us without the pressure of it all has to be available on day one. Because if you think about it, when when it goes out, the first thing you're doing is you're dealing with all these bug fixes. It may not be till later in the cycle that they're even able to start working on certain features, and it allows them, I think, by staggering things out throughout the year. That cadence, I think, allows them to do more things that otherwise they wouldn't be doing. I think that that's fine.

The problem here was not just that it didn't arrive on day one. It's that they were literally saying, this is why you should go out today and buy an iPhone, and it's never coming.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But maybe, and I would argue, being more ambitious, maybe at this point right now is not the thing to do. Maybe it is to be more conservative in the new feature side and more ambitious in, like, the shipping, the ones we've already talked about and fixing the stuff that's already out there, maybe. And I listen. I want Apple to be ambitious. I want new features every year like everybody.

Sure. But I would like them to be reliable and, like, yeah, I get it. The emoji's not come till dot whatever release, but I think also being clear about it. And I totally get, like, there were some years where Apple didn't talk about a feature because it had to do with the hardware of the new phone in September. Like, that makes total sense.

Like, a portrait mode or whatever. I feel like with the iPhone seven something. You know, that was something that wasn't announced until then. So, like, I totally get that, but I don't know. Live events and more more regularity, at least, or more or more consistency slash when you like, you can expect it.

You know what I mean? And there's also maybe they were more clear in past years to say, like, this is coming in the spring. This is coming in the fall. Maybe to be more clear about that when it talks about features that might be staggered to say, you'll see this next year. You'll see this in the spring or whatever. It might help. Just might help start building that the the trust

Jason AtenJason Aten

Well, and the difference in the past is in when they released iOS 16, they didn't run ads promoting the free form app, which wasn't coming until five months later. Right? Or they didn't run ads promoting, like, the emergency SOS changes, which weren't coming until the point three update. Like, that's the biggest difference. I I think I understand why they stagger features.

It just allows them and because I'm, like, I'm looking at the iOS 16. None of these things are like, oh, you shouldn't be tackling things that are that big. It's just, like, we're able to do more things. So yeah.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. Right. Okay. Well, let's try and do a lightning like an actual lightning round, Jason.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Love it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Let's try. We don't talk about we don't talk about rumors much, but the iPhone seventeen and seventeen Air, all these rumors have been out there. There's this thought of, like, some big bar across the top for the camera bump. You think that's legit?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't know. I hope not because that case looks like something out of the minions or something. I don't even, like

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

The minion. It's minion case.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Seriously, don't know. I don't know. It's like a ski goggles on a minion is what that looks like to me. But I I don't know. I just you we've talked about this. I don't understand the need for like, the phones are fine. Like, come on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I would listen. But I'm down for the you know, the rumor is the iPhone 17 Air is gonna be like a ultra thin and light iPhone. I'm down to see what they do with that and how that compares, but I don't want the bar, though. I don't like

Jason AtenJason Aten

the bar. I don't like any of it. There you go. That's that's my take.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. There you go. Also, this has been rumored for years, but apparently now Mark Gurman is like, home OS as an operating system is coming this year. I think I just swallowed a net. Hold

Jason AtenJason Aten

on. I think doesn't the doesn't the HomePod run tvOS or something like that or the

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I can't even talk. I get listen.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. We this is a lightning round. Sorry. Pretend I didn't

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

say It runs like a derivative of iOS or something, I thought.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I mean, they're all a derivative iOS at this point.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Right. Yeah. Alright. Fair enough. Anyway, sure, HomeOS would be great. Maybe if it actually, like, actually does other things. Like, maybe two k to four k HomeKit secure video cameras, pan and tilt controls in the home app, better robot vacuum support, better automations and tools that way. I would love to see it. I'm like fifty fifty because it's been rumored for five years. I don't know. What do you think we'll see that percentage?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Most of the words you said, I don't even understand. So I'm not too worried about it. But I think for people like you and Gentooie, this will be really exciting or really disappointing if it doesn't happen. But if they bring back that home set that they had for WWDC twenty twenty two, I'm here for it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. That'd be fun. And lastly, I just wanna talk about Plex real quick because I'm a huge Plex aficionado. Plex prices are actually going up. So as of April 29, we still have, like, a month to get in there.

The monthly is going up to $7, yearly to $70, and the lifetime up to $250. I actually bought a lifetime Plex Pass when it was, like, $75, and it feels like one of the best investments ever. Because sometimes I'll rip things and put it on my Plex server, which is my Synology. I do some things that I can't talk about because this podcast is on YouTube, and I'll get the I'll get taken down. But, you know, ask me.

I'll I'll send you some links. But I I really love Plex. So prices are going up if you wanna get in there before that. But even with these newer prices, I feel like it's worth it. And I just love the fact they have a lifetime pass, like the ability to actually buy a lifetime pass even though it's way more expensive.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Did you get a lifetime pass for that Humane AI pin?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I won't talk about it. You don't even use you don't use Plex at all, do you?

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't even know what Plex is except for it's like a video peer to peer service. I don't know. It's a video server that you own yourself and you can stream to devices.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

We don't have time with it. At the very least, it's a great app that you can have on all your Apple devices that if you set up a Plex server, which could be a folder on your Mac, it could be a folder on your Mac Mini. That could be your video server, or you can have a Synology or another network attached storage. And then the Plex app, wherever you are in the world remotely or in your house, you can stream the video files you have on that server to your device. So it's like your it's a whole media server, but everywhere.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Didn't Apple TV used to do that? Didn't you used to be

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

able to that? Don't know if you could still do it. It used to like, there was a computer app on the Apple TV.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Stuff from your computer. Yeah.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

But it had to be in your, like, iTunes library, and I don't I don't think that's there anymore.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Gotcha.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Like, I don't think because you can't really, like, drag video files into the Apple TV app. You know what I mean? Fright. I don't think.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I think you're right.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. Correct me if well, someone correct me if I'm wrong. But, anyway alright. Let's talk about, personal tech. Two quick things. With my new MacBook Air, I tried your method of turning the dots off for active apps in the dock. I couldn't stand it. I did it for, like, a week or two. Can't stand it. So I put the dots back on. I tried it, though. I tried it. You should try the battery percentage off, and you can report back after a week. That's what I say. Here's the thing.

I use apps like Final Cut and Compressor, and part of my workflow is quickly glancing in the doc to see is that app an open or closed, like because it might be doing something. And to not have that quick visual marker, it was like then I actually had to do the command tab and see if it was there or try to find the window that I might've minimized. So those dots, I like the dots.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Just click on it. I don't understand what you need to know the dots for. Well, why? Why do you what benefits

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

think it just glanced down. I don't have to click on anything. It just glanced down.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Why do you need to know? In the world of Apple Silicon, why do you need to know if something's running or not?

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Okay. Here's an example. Final Cut, I exclusively edit off external SSD drives. And so I'll have an SSD drive attached to my computer. When I'm done exporting a video file, I'll quit Final Cut. I'll eject it, and I'll unplug it. If for some reason I see that Final Cut is running, I will not pull out the thing or try to eject it because I know Final Cut, with a % certainty, is accessing that external SSD. So I wanna

Jason AtenJason Aten

know Does Final Cut, do you have, like, an AI robot in Final Cut that just does things without you do it? Like, you started the thing. Was running.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yes. But, like, a compressor export might take twenty minutes, and so I'll minimize all those windows, and I don't know what the current state is. And then if I do a bunch of other things, I'll have to really, like, did I quit Final Cut or is it still open or what do I need to do? And just glancing whether or not Final Cut is still open or not is information that then I can use to say, oh, let me quit it real quick. Let me eject it.

Let me do it. Or if I see that Final Cut is not active, it means, oh, I'm good. I can just unplug.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I can't understand. But that's okay. That's all

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I'm just saying.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Alright.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I gotta I have found a use case. All the things I found a use case. So

Jason AtenJason Aten

Great.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I feel I

Jason AtenJason Aten

feel just good. I do have one quick thing too. I know you have another thing. I want you I wanted to just go on the record. I am no more case back. I can't do it anymore.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Me neither. I got a full case.

Jason AtenJason Aten

You know why? Can you can you see how incredibly scratched up the that bottom is? Yes. And the same thing is true at the top. We can't see it now because the light came on.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Why is it?

Jason AtenJason Aten

Because of the case. That I mean, because of the back. It doesn't give any protection at that spot. So it's, like, right at those two surfaces are the most likely to get scratched. And it's like, oh, I have to put a case on this. I wanted to do the case back thing so badly, but

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Yeah. I dropped my phone a couple times with just the back on it, and I think I got a small nick on, like, the corner or whatever. And, you know, the two schools of thought, people are like, it adds character. It's part of owning the phone. Just use the phone.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Not in glass. No. No. No.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I am not of that school of fun.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yeah. I almost I had I was I was strongly thinking I was gonna have to walk out to the driveway and drop this a few times so that I could take it and have the screen replaced. They won't replace it for a a scratch.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

No. They will not. Not anymore. You used to be able to be like any little Nick. He'd be like, can I have a new phone? Like, AppleCare? Sure. Why not? Not anymore. No. You gotta shatter that thing. Oh, yeah. Gotta be unusable. But, yeah, I agree. I'm I'm on the case now. I'm using the Ryan London leather case, and look at that patina.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That's gross. Yeah. It's good.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

What do you mean gross? It's a leather patina. What are you you have leather stuff.

Jason AtenJason Aten

That looks a lot like you picked it up after some nachos. My my mother patina is is, like, nice. There's no

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

What is it? What case is that?

Jason AtenJason Aten

This is the nomad mother.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

There's no patina on it. That's why it's nice. What is no patina?

Jason AtenJason Aten

There's no patina.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Oh, I see. That's that's not a patina. Listeners, viewers, let let's hold our phone up at the same time.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Yours is no. Don't put that thing up there. People are gonna get nauseous.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

This is a patina. I posted a picture of this, and people were like, oh, yeah. It's a good patina. That's how they sounded my mind.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Looks like you spilled a margarita on it is what it looks like.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I don't use my phone with messy hands. All right. I wash my hands all time. I don't like doing that. And if I'm eating something, I'll do the weird, like, pinky little bit a tap with my pinky because it's the only thing without the

Jason AtenJason Aten

I think this is a problem, but let's talk about your real problem.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Listen. I don't think it's not a problem. It's an opportunity. It's that I love charging things. Okay?

Jason AtenJason Aten

It's that Steven walks down the street and he looks in the window of people's houses, if he sees that blue glow, he's like, they got a new charger. I'm gonna go in and knock on the door and see what they

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Listen. My audience on YouTube, I think, appreciates that I talk about so many different chargers so they can make an educated decision. Well, what charger is best for them? I sent you a charger. You still use

Jason AtenJason Aten

the top rest head. Only because I'm too lazy to switch back

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

to

Jason AtenJason Aten

whatever I

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

had before. Doing no. No. No. I think you found benefit. I'm doing a service.

Jason AtenJason Aten

It won't charge my AirPods very often. It just blinks a bright white light at me all the time, but so I don't charge my AirPods on there. It's like you have to get it in the exact right spot. The exact don't, it just, there's a white light that just pulses at you. It's like, wake up, stupid. You didn't charge them right.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

That's what it's saying. That's why I like my 12 South High Rise three Deluxe, which is still my favorite, my nighttime fan. But here's the thing. This guy, look at this. First of

Jason AtenJason Aten

Okay. First of all, Steven, that looks like it's going to kill you.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

G2, you got the MagSafe puck for your phone and Apple Watch and a place to charge your AirPods. And look at this little indentions so you know where to put it and it doesn't yell at you. But also, look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Three to four USB c ports and these little metal things where you can have your your iPad lay in there, maybe my MacBook Air, maybe other iPads. And there's even a place to like an outlet facing upward. You need to do that. Plus, this is modular. Look at this.

You could mix and match whatever things, put it on whatever sides. This thing looks amazing. Here's why I got it. I have a lot of devices to charge and some of them include you know, I don't do you charge your iPad? How often do you charge your iPad? Let me ask you that.

Jason AtenJason Aten

When it needs to be charged.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

See, that's the thing. But if that is that's how I do it. But the problem is it always needs to be charged then because when you wanna pick it up, it never has a charge.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I don't think it's I cannot think of a time that I've picked my my iPad mini is different because I think it's I mean, it's older, but I can't think of a time when I picked up my m four iPad Pro that it didn't have at least 40%, which is more than enough battery for anything I'm gonna wanna do with it.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

So I have a push cut notification that tells me when my iPad I see. Falls below 25%, and it's all the time. Like, it's regularly. So I got this because a, I wanna put it in a video. But b, I want to test.

Maybe just maybe I just charge my iPad every night, and maybe I put my MacBook Air in there. Maybe I just charge the stuff. And also I have, like, my kids' devices that I'll keep in our room and charge. So now I can have everything organized in a nice way with these little things and I still can charge my phone and watch and AirPods and everything. This this seems like a great product. So anyway, I wanna try it out.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Steven, you're my friend. And I just have to tell you as your friend that you have crossed over some lines. I don't know what it even is, but I just want you to know that that I don't think your family will tolerate that contraption anywhere in that house.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

They're totally it's gonna be on my nightstand.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Steven, how your nightstand has to be bigger than my desk if

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

I also got this thing. I get this thing right now.

Jason AtenJason Aten

Steven, you don't have this many devices.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Hey. Can I get this one? Hold on. There you go. Steven. Anyway, I like testing chargers, Jason. I give them away. They all find a second home when I'm done with them. Okay. I've given away lots of chargers to you as well.

Jason AtenJason Aten

I did get I appreciate that. That was very kind.

Stephen RoblesStephen Robles

Anyway, be looking at my channel. I'm gonna put that in a video. So there you go. Alright. We're gonna talk about severance in our bonus episode. So here's what you do. Tell me what your favorite charger is or any of the many things. You can leave us a five star rating in Apple Podcasts. I don't know how many it's gonna take to get back to five stars, but you guys have been showing out. So we really appreciate it.

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