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Teaching | Three Shifts of Discipleship | Spiritual Cartography E03

Jan 19, 202618 min
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Summary

This episode unpacks the three essential shifts in discipleship: moving from fear to trust, melancholic despair to joyful hope, and self-focus to sacrificial love. John Mark Comer explains that faith, hope, and love are not mere feelings but theological virtues, settled conditions of the heart cultivated over a lifetime of following Jesus. The discussion delves into how these shifts enable believers to overcome anxiety, negativity, and ego-driven living, fostering deep peace, gratitude, and agape love.

Episode description

What does it look like to keep growing in our faith? John Mark unpacks the three essential shifts in our journey of discipleship—moving from fear to trust, despair to hope, and self-focus to love. He explains how the theological virtues of faith, hope, and love aren't just feelings but settled conditions of the heart that develop over a lifetime of following Jesus.


Key Scripture Passages: 1 John 4v18; 1 Corinthians 13v13


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Podcast & Discipleship Shifts Intro

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Hello and welcome to the Drama Coma Teachings podcast. My name is Inka Dawson and I'm your host. Each week we feature teachings And it's great to have you with us. We're finishing up our spiritual cartography series. Yeah. In this week's episode, John Mark unpacks three crazy Moving from fear to trust. And so. To love. Here's John Mark. Faith, hope, and love. In classical Christian theology, these are called the theological virtues of the Christian way.

They are theological in that they have to do with God, theos, unlike the four cardinal virtues of Greek philosophy, wisdom, justice, courage, and temperance. None of the theological virtues make sense apart from God and his kingdom. And they are virtues, not feelings, though they do shape our emotional life. They are settled conditions of the heart, the kind of people we become over many years of following Jesus.

But none of us start out as people of faith, hope, and love. The opposite. We begin our spiritual journeys self-focused, not God focused.

Shift One: From Fear to Trust

Therefore, discipleship to Jesus is a journey of three shifts. Number one, from fear to trust or faith. The Catholic theologian and psychologist Benedict Rochelle summarizes the entirety of the spiritual journey as a decrease in anxiety and an increase in peace. from anxious care to a deep, calm trust in God. That's what faith is a sense of trust, confidence, reliance on someone or something, in this case, on God.

We all use faith constantly to navigate life. You have faith in a bridge to hold you up when you entrust your body to it and walk across it without fear. Same with God. You have faith in God when you rely upon Him and live as if He is who He says He is, and as a result you feel very little fear. To have faith in God is not to trust that everything will work out perfectly, but rather to trust that no matter what happens, even if our deepest fears come true, we have God and He's enough.

We don't need to be afraid. As we let go of our anxieties, which are all directly tied to our attachments, we become increasingly free to love, which is the ultimate aim of the spiritual journey. There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear. meaning fear and love cannot coexist because fear causes us to act in unloving ways toward other people.

As we attempt to control what we cannot control, as we attempt to be God rather than trust in God, to run our own life rather than put our confidence in Him to shepherd us. It's worth quoting doctor Marholland at length here. Anxious care arises when we are driven by the need to order and control our own lives. In a world where such order and control are partial at best, Anxious care can become a consuming passion that misshapes all relationships, all events, and all activities of one's life.

When this happens, anxiety-driven persons tend to become manipulative and dehumanizing in their relationships with others. Others must conform to their pathological attempts to order the world and maintain control of their lives. Anxiety-driven persons are also compelled to impose their own order on the events of their lives. Layer upon layer of defenses and securities are constructed to keep the unpredictable and unexpected from intruding into their carefully ordered world.

Such persons cannot be the persons God intends them to be. They are imprisoned by the need to maintain control of their existence. Such lives, closed within the fragile shell of their own limited order and control, are plagued with stress. anxiety, fear, doubt, despair, depression, and a legion of other destructive and debilitating demons. Tense and troubled, such persons expend prodigious amounts of energy to maintain and defend their tenuous control of their lives.

energies that could have graced healing and wholeness to a broken and hurting world. Is this any way to live, trapped in a prison of anxiety, where the bars are made of our own futile attempts to play God and control our lives? That's what anxiety is. a kind of temporary atheism where we imagine a future without God in it, where we are our best hope. Where there's no good shepherd who goes before us, with us, and behind us, we're on our own as the secular mantra goes.

The alternative way of Jesus is that of radical trust in the Father, faith. But faith must be developed like any virtue. Faith is like a muscle. It grows through resistance training. Like an infant, we start weak, but over time as we face challenge upon challenge, we have the chance to work out our faith muscle with fear and trembling, and strengthen our confidence in God to care for us through whatever comes.

You see this on display in mature disciples of Jesus. They are incredibly at ease. They are some of the most relaxed, confident, peaceful people you will ever meet. They live with this unshakable belief that everything will be just fine, even if things aren't just fine. They have matured from fear to trust.

Shift Two: From Despair to Hope

Number two, from melancholic despair to joyful expectation or hope. Psychologists call children pre-neurotic, meaning they are generally happy, even in less than ideal families and situations. But as we age, we begin to wake up to the terrible solemnity of the world with its steady litany of evil. The digital newsstream sure doesn't help with its intentional curation of the worst happenings in the world on any given day.

But the problem isn't just out there in the world, systemic injustice, climate change, the atrocities of war. It's far more personal. We've all been wounded. As we enter adulthood, we become more and more aware of those wounds, just how deep they go, and how impossibly damaged we are. In such a state, within and without, it's easy to lose hope, to fall into a melancholy fugue, sad, lethargic, self-focused, negative, even depressed.

I'm not talking about grief here, which is an emotionally healthy response to evil. I'm not even talking about emotional pain, which is unavoidable in life this side of Jesus' return. I'm talking about a condition, a character that is gloomy, despondent, unnecessarily sad. I should know. This has been me for most of my life. They say fifty percent of happiness is genetics. If that's true, then I lost the genetic game of Russian roulette.

This is a glaring weak point in my own discipleship to Jesus. Yet it is an issue of discipleship. Not simply of a chemical imbalance in my brain. Of course, we are whole people and our body can fall prey to all sorts of things. But until very recently, Christians saw sadness as one of the seven deadly sins. Again, this isn't the sadness of grief over tragedy or the fitting emotional pain we all feel at times, but a mindset.

a way of seeing the world that is directly at odds with the joy at the heart of the Trinity. Our spiritual ancestors saw that beneath our emotions of sadness are often more nefarious currents of the human heart, entitlement, a sense that we're owed a suffering free life. envy, a spirit of comparison and competition, and a sense of jealousy for another's good fortune, negativity, a decision to spotlight the bad, ignore the goodness all around us.

negative rumination, the inability to curate our consciousness, and more. All of us have this in us at some level. Depending on your genetic makeup and personality structure, this may be a speed bump or a Himalayan pass in your spiritual journey, but we all must traverse it. The direction of growth is toward gratitude for the prodigal kindness of God in our grace-saturated days. wonder and awe at the miracle of life in God's world, and a hopeful confidence in the future.

Gratitude is the keystone practice by which we mature in this area. The more we practice gratitude, as well as practices like wonder and celebration, the more we wake up to the goodness of God in our presence. And the more we wake up to the goodness of God in our present, the more we hope for more of that same goodness in our future.

Hope isn't wishful thinking as it is in modern English, I hope it's sunny today or I hope I get money back on my taxes this year. Nor is it just a sunny optimism, which is often just denial and disguise. Hope, in the theological sense, is the confident expectation of coming good based on the person and promises of God. It's the unflinching sense that no matter what happens, God will be with us through it all. Any suffering or pain we face has the potential to form us into Christlike character.

that one day Jesus will return and put all things to rights, and that in the meantime he will bring forward good from his future into our present. The psychological research would indicate that anticipation of good causes just as much happiness and well being as the good thing itself, or even more. Thinking about going on vacation is often far better than the vacation itself, as we anticipate the coming goodness of God in our life. we begin to live with an increasing joy and emotional buoyancy.

Again, you see this in mature disciples of Jesus. They are incredibly hopeful, and they are usually deeply joyful or full of joy. They spill out excess joy to those around them. The happiest person you know is a saint. They are not ignorant, most of them have known great times of suffering, but they have come through the valley and now walk in hope. They laugh easily, and as proverbs put it, they smile at the future faith, hope, and of course, love.

Shift Three: From Ego to Agape Love

Number three, from the egoic operating system to agape or love. In the narrative arc of the Bible, human beings are created by love, in love, for love. You don't need to be a theologian to realize something has gone terribly wrong. We come out of our mother's womb, open our eyes, and, as beautiful as life is, we inherit a condition where our default setting is not agape, But what the Christian psychologist Dr. Gary Moon calls the egoic operating system, we run on self-love. What do I want?

What do I need? If you don't believe me, have children. As wonderful as little kids are, some of their first words are no and mine. They cry, yell, turn red-faced, bite, hit, and shove when they don't get their way. Many of us never mature beyond these selfish tantrums. We just grow more sophisticated as we age. But as long as we still run on the operating system of the ego, we will remain trapped in the prison of our self will, and we will never be set free to become persons of love for others.

By love, I mean agape, love as defined by Jesus. Not desire or feelings of affection or tolerance as it means in Western usage. but genuine good will toward another. As Thomas Merton said, love seeks one thing only, the good of the one love. Or in Jesus' language, greater love has no one than this to lay down one's life for one's friends. A person who is loving isn't self-preserving, and vice versa. A person who is self-preserving isn't loving.

Therefore, discipleship to Jesus is a journey out of the prison house of the ego into the wide open space of agape. It's living by a new operating system. of genuine will to good toward others, putting their good ahead of your own. It's dying to self and rising into a whole new caliber of existence. And now these three remain faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love.

Journey of Transformation & Reflection

Our transformation into people a phase. And love doesn't happen overnight. These shifts are the fruit of God's patient work in our lives throughout the seasons of our apprenticeship to Him. And our role is simply to be faithful, to offer ourselves to God day by day. So to wrap up today, let's ask God what it looks like to be faithful to his transformative work. Begin by taking a few deep breaths. and bringing our awareness to God's presence. And simply ask the Holy Spirit this question.

Holy Spirit, what does it look like? to be faithful in offering myself to your transformative work this week. half a minute for you to listen and close with amen. Amen. Thanks for listening. This podcast. We develop resources to help churches and small groups approach. been paid for by this alcohol. of monthly givers. From Huntsville. Life point. Florida. California. Thank you all very much. To join these friends in the and learn more about our resources. Until next time.

By the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. all and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

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