Hello, my gorgeous, amazing, incredible, fantastic, powerful everyday women of the world. Welcome to another episode of the Startup Stories podcast, where the ambitious woman, where the ambitious everyday woman is heard, held, and served in life and in business, in her heart, in her soul, in her community. Everywhere! Because it's so much bigger than just living in any one part of who you are and what you want to experience
in this time on earth. As you know, bringing you very relatable stories to keep you sane, grounded, and growing as you expand yourself and deliver your purpose to the world. And I'm very excited, as always! today to bring you a beautiful guest, a fellow Canadian hailing from the other side of the country in my birth town, Montreal, where I arrived through the portal to this world. So Urmi Hussein is joining us and why I'm excited is obviously the conversation
that we're gonna have. But also because she found me and she directly reached out to book podcast recording and there's already a lot of alignment in our two worlds, right? Like this women in leadership that you're a part of is a whole new community that I've never heard of. So I'm excited to know you and continue our relationship beyond
the podcast and explore that stuff. But you guys, what's really wonderful And here's where the feels already start, is that Rumi is here to share and to serve from her heart to yours around the woman that she is choosing to be now in order to encourage and be evidence to you that your heart's desires are possible now and they're not based on any external condition or outcome.
It's a choice that you make. In her own words she just said in a bit of the preamble that she was inspired by celebrities and she decided that she could be like that too and I'm adding now. You can do it now in so many different ways. So welcome to the show and thank you for coming here to have this conversation. Thank you. Thank
you for having me. You're so welcome. So why don't you open up with telling a little bit about who you are and what your life contains and then we can delve into the passions of your heart. Yes. So my name is Rumi. I am Indeed, based in Montreal, in the other side of the world from where you are. And I like to consider myself a woman who wears many hats, with many passions, many hobbies. I always say that, you know, there is the nine to five, but then there is the five
to nine. In my five to nine, I do a lot of these things, such as, you know, I like to give back a lot to the community. So I do a lot of volunteer work, mainly in relation to women's empowerment. I do a lot of female mentorship. I mentor a lot of women. I'm also a published author, speaker, YouTuber. blogger, and part of this women in leadership organization. I'm part of the Victoria chapter as the social media lead. Yeah, beautiful. And that was like such a beautiful anchor to
connect us locally on my end. And then it's kind of fun that I can throw back that I was born where you live now. And like, you know, at these ages and stages to come and find each other through something like the show. So that is a lot of hats while working a full -time job in like a very, I'm going to say demanding industry, right, in the financial sector. So I love, I just love when I have guests who are a lot like me because I have a nine to five job too. I work in local
government. I deal with neighbors who complain about each other. That's fun. But while I'm there, I get to express myself through my work as well. And then I just, I choose to make time for these other things. So why don't you share with us like, you know, how, but it's not really how it's who, what kind of woman do we choose to be in order to be able to create those things that we're not waiting for them to come at a certain time. Yeah, so basically I chose to be
a very multi -talented person. This is how I would define it. I want to be a woman that not only wears many hats but has multiple talents and a lot of the things that I mentioned I didn't know any of it, you know, like when it comes to doing YouTube, blogging, creating your book. and stuff like that. I had no knowledge of it, literally no knowledge of it. I had to use YouTube to find out how to do a lot of these things.
I had to research some of these things, but I had this end goal, which is I wanna be all of these things and I wanna learn all of these things because I didn't wanna just be a corporate girl. I wanted to be a bit more than that. And especially after reading many books, I feel like what happens with us is that we tend to typically work a nine -to -five job and then that's it. This is how we find meaning to our life. But I feel like then you come to a point where you're like, okay,
this feels very meaningless. You feel there is a void and you want to fill this void with something a bit more meaningful where you feel like, okay, there must be a purpose in my life. And there was this book that I read, which is called the Igikai. I don't know if you're familiar with the whole concept of the Igikai, which is basically... Yeah, it's a Japanese concept that tells you
about your reason of being. And after reading the book, I feel like I had, you know, a call, I feel like, okay, I think I have this interest, this passions and it's it's up to me to basically untap in all of these things and to explore them and see where they bring me. And so I feel like a lot of these things that I do like blogging, YouTube, they all started from my own curiosity. And then I realized that this is the path I want
to continue on. It is a lot of, you know, demand, especially if you work in like a nine to five job, because you have to find the time. But it's also about managing your time properly, being good at time management, being good at organizational skills, having have everything, you know, planned for you during the week. And if you're able to stick to the plan, then then you are able to
accomplish all of these things. And one thing that I can definitely say is that doing all of these things, they bring you a lot more accomplishment and fulfillment than just your nine to five job. Yeah. And it's so beautiful to also live in what is possible even if you have a job because you know I used to think that having a job was a limitation and a lot of my entrepreneurial friends don't have jobs they just have their businesses. I've grown to embrace both. I love having both.
I love having this robust life that offers the multifaceted things that keep me really feeling alive. And what I really want to pull out, as you said it so beautifully, I don't just want to be a corporate girl. There's more to this life. And you don't have to choose one thing over the other. I think we froze. You don't have to choose just one thing over the other. You can have it all and you can do it now by being intentional. You just okay, I was about to message
you There we go, okay. Sorry glitches glitches happen. We're used to them here at powerful ink. So we're me was saying how There's the intentional choice to live the life that you want to live and If you're yearning for it, then seek it until it starts to come into your day to day and don't be limited by the current structure or format of your life. Like you said, it would be so beautiful. I didn't want to just be a corporate girl. And
you don't have to be. Even if you have kids, even if you have other commitments, aging parents, people that you're depending on you, there, here it comes. There's always time for your soul to be expressed in your life. Yes, definitely. And this is also one thing that I try to tell other people, other women. And I feel like there is a lot more women who are doing that. They are really taking They're using their time to do
other things. I think maybe you might not be running a business or maybe you might not be writing a book, but you're part of communities. And I think that too is very important. There is a group, Women in Leadership, but there are so many other groups out there. I am part of running groups just for women. I'm part of book clubs. Those are things that really nurture your
soul. Just being part of a book club where you are sharing your ideas, where you're talking about the books that you love, where you're hearing from other people and the book that they love. Those are really important because social connection is equally important. It's part of your investing in yourself. It's important for your mental being. It's important for so many things. It's not just, OK, I'm just socializing. It's really about you
learn from other people. And so I do really think that I do see a little bit of more of a shift where people, especially women, are really They really want to work on themselves and they don't want to be just associated with the job title. There is a lot more than that. And they want to be associated with different things. They want to be seen as multifaceted. It's not just I'm a housewife. It's not just that I work in
this place. I'm also a lot more than that. And I think that there are many ways that women can do that. So this is such a already a broader opening to the whole woman and the whole life that she lives. But we're not here to just invest in ourselves to grow a business that makes a gazillion dollars and reaches every single human on the planet. It's the impact of where you move in your town from your home to the grocery store to the school to the library to the running groups.
All these places are places of impact and in yourself are different places that need to be filled and they don't all need to be about proving or striving or achieving can do them just for the beauty of doing them and get that like soul sunshine. feeling. Yeah, I just pursuing for joy. That's it. That's it. And I think you said it really nicely. It's, it's just for that pursuit of joy. And you said impact, you know, I think everyone wants to make an impact in in this,
in this lifetime. And you all want to inspire, we all want to leave a mark. And I think this is it, you know, it's never it's not always about You know, making a lot of money, being rich, I think it's able to change someone's life, which could be through an action. It could be through a message. It could be through a smile and you see the benefits of it afterwards. You're like, okay, today I feel like I made a difference in someone's life. So what did this journey start
to look like after you read that book? And if you guys don't know about Ikagi, Google it, because I was looking around for me because I have a graphic of it, but it's on the bulletin board downstairs. Yeah, yeah. So another synchronicity, but it's three circles that align sort of the
trinity of self to have a meaningful life. And if you're not sure what that is, you know, don't give up on yourself is just all I want to say here, but I want you to take us through how you started to shift the way that you were showing up in your day -to -day after that book landed
so deeply. Yeah, so actually I read that book a couple of years ago and it was a very interesting book and there was also a documentary not exactly about the Iggy guy, but it was about Basically, the book, it's about a group of people that these are like Japanese, these are Japanese people who live in Japan. And it talks about how they are reaching their Igikai. And they live in this island and they call it the Blue Zones. I don't know if you're familiar with the whole concept
of the Blue Zones. So basically, they're talking about how The people who live in the blues and have a certain kind of lifestyle where basically they enjoy themselves. They're in the present. They, you know, they, they, they, they take on their hobbies and they do a lot of manual work. So they talk about some of them doing gardening, some others doing sewing and some other growing, you know, fruits and vegetables and, you know,
uh, in a farm and things like that. And it was, it was very like explained in a very simple manner, how doing just something very basic, it can have a meaningful impact in your life and it can be a long term happiness. And so after reading the book, I was like, I want to do something like that too. I was like, me too, I want to achieve that. And it was already seeing how I was doing some of these things, to be honest, you know, like I always followed my heart. I always followed
my intuition. I always did whatever I felt like doing. You know, if there's something that I wanted to start, I would do it. And for me, the process was really a step -by -step thing, meaning that, you know, I'm curious about creating a website. I'm going to go ahead and do it. So I would do that. And then let's say I was curious about creating, I don't know, a YouTube video, then I would go ahead and do it. A lot of these things were unknown to me. I had no one to help
me. I did not, you know, had any editing materials. No, no, no way. No way. And I just learned from it. There was like a trial and error and it was a learning curve. You know, every time there was a way for me to improve myself, like even with videos, even with like creating ebooks. And that's how it started. It was a very slow process where it started with like with one step
at the time. And just to see where it would lead you without necessarily having an agenda or an expectation of something else coming out of it. That's it. We had no expectation of where this was leading me. It was just, let's see. Let's
see where it goes. And somehow everything just was puzzled together for me to then... create what it is right now, my personal brand, you know, like I think when people look at me, they already can associate me with different words, you know, as multifaceted and multidimensional, multicultural, you know, all these things. And this was at the end, my end goal, but it was not something that I knew I was going to do. It just came on later on when I started to develop
a bit more this whole branding. So that is like the pursuit of freedom. and of impact for the sake of curiosity. And I love that because it reduces this attachment or this scarcity chasing, you know, it's just for to see where it leads and to see what comes of it and how you change. And so then, say, what was your first video or blog based around? And how did your kind of heart's message start to be revealed? My first video, it was a 10 minutes video where I'm recording
on this computer. I'm just staring at it. no microphone or anything. And I'm just saying a bunch of things. Like, basically, I was giving tips on how to pass an exam in finance. And I was just seeing a bunch of things. And then I was like, okay, I think I make sense. And then I uploaded it. And I got 10 ,000 views. I was like, there's no editing, there's no nothing. And people liked it. I was like, okay, I guess I can take that as the first sign of something
that I'm meant to be doing. And so after getting that feedback through the likes and people commenting it, I was like, okay, This is it. This is it. I'm going to keep continue doing this. And this is what I've been doing. Like I've been doing videos and I incorporate interviews with other people, but like I've upgraded since then. Like I have a microphone now, for instance, I also have a software tool to like edit stuff and that I had to learn it. And so there was always a
learning process. That's so beautiful. And like what a turnaround from one 10 minute video was pretty amazing. And now fine tuning into the personal brand around female empowerment, right? So a much broader message that led to publishing a book, self -published, did you say? Yeah. Self -published book. Well, why don't we talk a little bit about that? Because here is what's happening, you guys, if you're not picking it up. Rumi was
placing breadcrumbs, right? And or following them kind of happening synchronously at the same time. She's kind of going here and things are happening. She's leaning into it and going there. And just very open to the point where in a few years time, she's built a very successful personal brand is now speaking now can, you know, hang her one of her hats on her book and delve into with great credibility, other environments of influence to continue to reach people and get
that message. And that probably wasn't the vision that you had when you started. No, not at all. Not at all. And even the whole personal branding thing, there was really not much that I knew about it. Like, literally, I didn't know even what the word personal branding meant. Like, I think I had this notion that branding is all about selling a product, like all the companies do, you know, like Apple selling Apple iPhones and, you know, selling the cars. This is what
I used to think. But then I realized that You know, there is something that each person can give and it doesn't have to be always a product. It could be you as a person, you know, you as a person bring knowledge value to people and you could be a brand too. And that's how I realized the whole importance of personal branding. And I unintentionally built it. Because I think someone once told me, Oh, yeah, I think people like you because you know, as soon as they Google you,
they can see all the things that you do. I'm like, Google me. And then I started to Google myself. There's so much about me out there. But I was happy of what I was seeing, because everything was aligned with what I wanted people to know. You know, everything was aligned. You know, this girl, she likes public speaking, she's in finance, she does things in relation to women's empowerment, she's a self -published author. And so I feel like everything was aligned and I was able to
show also my authentic self out there. And I realized that personal branding is even more important when you're working in the corporate job, when you have a corporate job, because you can change companies. But your personal branding will always be there with you. You will always carry it, no matter where you go. It's portable,
you know? And especially when you work in the corporate world, when people are looking up for potential candidates to hire and they're uncertain, I'm pretty sure everyone is Googling you, not just on LinkedIn, everywhere. And I think seeing that you have these extra things really help to make a final decision. Yeah, it sets you a bit ahead of others when you show great commitment. And so then is your personal brand compatible with your nine to five, or is it not at all different?
It's totally different, but I'm able to use some of the skills that I have that I gained through my five to nine in my nine to five. Yeah. And I'm very curious about a thread that I feel like I'm hearing in between here around you keeping yourself, I'm going to use the word clean, from the influences of the internet to sort of dictate you need to where you should or do this in order to get that. Like, you know, did you start to work with coaches or really stay true to your
own, yeah, nice to your own path? Yeah, my own part, no coaches, no nothing. No, no, no, no, no. It's my own thing only do it yourself type of thing. Because I feel like when you have a coach, because I was I many people thought that I was a coach myself. And I was like, No, I'm not. Because I think with coaching is great. Because they help you to achieve your goals.
and get to your destination but it's not always what you want to do I feel like you know I think sometimes you want to you want to have that freedom of choosing and you want to have that freedom of making an error and you don't want to have Commitment. Sometimes I would say, you know, like if you want to be like, okay, I don't want to do this anymore. You don't want to do this.
I feel like if you have a coach that I hope who helps you to reach it and then you decide to give up, I feel like you would feel bad about it. You know, it's like you're betraying yourself. And so no, no coaching, no nothing. I learned everything through books, YouTube, reading stuff, observing other people. Well, and then doing it. Yes. And then doing it. Right. We're not just sitting back Netflix. Netflix, binging our
desires for life. We have to take action and imperfect action, of course, in order to see a result and then use that as data to adjust and keep moving. How did it feel? What did it do? Did I like it? Would I do it differently?
Now, I'm a coach. and a lot of listeners may or may not be and I love this perspective because it sends a message that and it's so cliche but if it's meant to be it's up to me and let that really be an empowering statement to hold deep in your heart listeners so that you don't again you don't need an external circumstance or person to take you along you can very lovingly and consciously choose that journey but it is possible because if it is going to happen this one of my analogies
no one can lose the weight for you you have to do the heavy lifting right yeah go ahead go ahead Yeah, and this is the thing. I am my own coach. Yeah, I am my own coach. And I think not everyone can do that. Like, I think for you to be your
own coach, you need to be disciplined. I think it's the discipline and I think for me it was never hard to be a disciplined person like I was always when I was in university even after when I started to work and I was doing all this designation in finance like I was always very disciplined, very consistent, I have a clear goal in my mind and I'm doing the same thing even here like even the fact that I'm let's say creating YouTube videos, I could just give up
on it. You know, I could, but then I think about, okay, but why did I start this, you know? And so I'm very disciplined. I stick to the plan. I'm very consistent. And I've seen how it's hard. This is why, like, even with podcasting, I've seen so many people that they start with their show. And then I think after a season, they're like, okay, I'm done with this. I can't take it. I can't take it anymore, you know? And it's
sad. because I always feel like you're betraying yourself doing that yeah that's how I see it yeah you're letting go of a dream that was very real yes you could pivot but the disservice is sometimes when we start something It's not about us at all. We're just the vessel in order for that message to come through. And if you're going to birth things, you have a bit of a responsibility to see them through. People need you to go first so that they can go first for somebody else and
for themselves. Yeah, yeah, that's that's how I see it. You know, like if you create something, you have to stick to it until the end. Yeah. And, you know, give it enough time as well. to exist and become something, you know, like, I'm like, I'm doing okay with the podcast, but I'm still in such the baby stages year two, haven't had 100 yet probably will this year, but it's
still ongoing. But what I'm finding even in this conversation is I have zero desire to ever stop because I'm constantly blown away by the beauty of the conversations that happen and how they feed and change me, which allows me to then go out and continue that ripple effect through this one modality, never mind the other ones that I use. Yeah, and that's also the other thing.
It's that If you give up on something, you know, that you have started, then it makes you the same as other people as well who give up on a project. And I don't like to be someone who gives up. I don't like to be like that. Like I want to be someone who goes, I want to actually, I want to be considered an achiever who likes a go -getter. There you go. And so I always think about that word go -getter. Yeah, because it's feeding you, right? And it's growing your life's
impact. That word really landed hard. And you guys, she put it together in the preamble as the humanitarian impact that she's here to do, which is such a broader vision to have than doing something in order to get. You know, when you have a pure intention like that, you're going to have a return on your investment air quotes, but it's it's so much bigger than monetary like you were saying. And then, of course, it's going to increase your desire to stay in it and keep
creating more of that impact. Yes. And you said it right. You know, investing in yourself. That's exactly what I do. I invest in myself. I invest my time. in myself, in learning things, in being able to create things. Because, you know, there's all the investment part where you invest money, you know, in the markets, you want to make money, but there is a lot more than that. You know, there's also investing in yourself because you or me, like each person in this world should
see themselves. as an asset, something to nurture, something to put the money and time and effort in. That's why I never feel bad when it comes to, let's say, trying a yoga session with a group of people and maybe you have to spend $50 in it because there are many benefits out of it. There's community, you network with people, you're socializing, you're moving your body. There's so many. things that you wouldn't get if you were just alone, you know? So that's one thing,
for instance. Like even recently, I went to this workshop, which is a latte art workshop. I don't know if you're familiar with it. So basically what you do is they teach you how to make designs on a latte. So it was my first time. And yes, of course, everything comes, you know, it's not for free. But I was like, I loved it. I honestly
loved it. I was like, this is This is amazing, you know, and so you learn things about yourself to things that you're not good at things that you're good at and things that you know, you never know can happen. Maybe I will become a barista one day. I don't know. I hope so. You know, so like there's you can you get to discover yourself as well by doing by trying different things and exploring yourself. I'm melting listening to this because it's so accessible. That's the
whole point. It's so accessible. And I just need to restate for the listeners so that you hear it again. You are an asset. You are here on purpose. You have a good heart and you have an impact to make. We all have different levels of impact. That's beyond our control. We're not all going to be pink. We're not all going to be Oprah or Mother Teresa. And we're not all going to be Jane and Betty and Tom and Sam who work in various businesses and stores and roles in our communities.
We're going to be exactly ourselves. we can continuously, this is beautiful, we can continuously create a growing impact. There's actually no limit between ourselves and, you know, pick your favorite celebrity or unknown impact maker. There's no difference other than continuing to choose and somewhat relentlessly pursue that. right? Until it happens. But again, just the beautiful simplicity that we can do that in our day to day. And how much
is available? Like what? Nine -ish billion people on the planet right now living nine -ish billion different comparable, but different life experiences. A latte art class. Like how hilarious and wonderful and free, right? Just free. Like, it doesn't even have to be a series, just go and do it to do it. My claim to fame will share, I did hockey, I did women's hockey, mom hockey. It was a freaking riot, and I discovered a different part of myself than in you was there, because I love kickboxing.
It was very like, let all of that pull out, right? I want to destroy the bag, the kicking bag. But in the hockey, something I'm like, I'm athletic, hockey, oh my God. And we had a hoot for six weeks. All these moms played our little hearts out, laughed our butts off, went for beer and food after, lived in that community. Now I get to hold that experience forever. I don't have to keep it up. That's the other piece of this is like doing it. I love this as a as a patch
on the quilt as you build your life. Right. Yes. Yes. It doesn't have to be like you joke. Maybe you'll become a barista, but you can just go and do this and then let it go and carry on to do something else too. Yes. So here's the other thing that we share. I do boxing. I do boxing and And that too was, I don't know how to explain it. Like, cause I tend to work out a lot. Like I do running, I do HIIT workouts, bootcamp and stuff like that. And then one day I was like,
okay, let's go and try boxing. I'm telling you, I just fell in love with it. I just fell in love with it. And then every time I'm around, I tell people I do boxing. They're like, wow. I mean, it's what you choose to do with your time, you know, at the end of the day, you know, you're just making a conscious decision of using your time towards something. So I also do boxing and it's a very amazing experience. It is. And like for me, it releases so much what my body's holding.
Yeah. And that's what I love. And if I can find the right environment, because this one class I took, like I literally wanted to destroy the punching bag, but I couldn't because a darling older woman was holding it and like, I don't want to hurt her. But but you know, you think about what we're holding, and it needs to come out so that and I would have never known. Same with hockey, I would have never known if I didn't try. And now I'm very connected to something
that feels so good for me. And we don't know what we're missing if we don't try it for whatever it is, for whatever it is at all. So Remy, I'd love to know then, you know, how much you notice the changed woman that you are and where you're leading her to next. I definitely see myself Much more empowered confident and knowledgeable Someone who's not afraid to say no or afraid to say yes, you know, it depends on the situation but always very, very open to trying different
things. If there is an experience to try, I'm the first one who doesn't say, no, I don't want to do it. I'm not sure this and that. I'm not that kind of person. I'm like, let's do it. Let's go and try it. So I'm very adventurous in that sense. And I definitely want to have or want to keep this side of me because I feel like by being adventurous and by staying curious, I was able to evolve into this kind of person that
I am today. And I can see the growth. You know, they say, you know, you're not the same person as you were 10 years ago. I often reflect on that and reflect on that. And it's true. I'm not the same person. I'm much more knowledgeable and I'm much more confident who's really not afraid of trying things. And how has that changed in like your your immediate world and relationships?
I would say much better because I feel like I'm perceived in a different way too from people, you know, like people, like, let's say like my niece or, you know, like people around me, they can, they say it, oh my gosh, you know, my aunt, she does so many great things. And so, you know, I feel like I'm able to inspire even the next generations, you know, like, This is what I want
to do. Like I want other people, especially girls around me or women around me to live boldly their life and to aspire to be something bigger and to do different things. And so I can see how people around me are perceiving me. I can see how it's making them think. But I also feel like around me and around the people that I work with every day, I'm able to be myself. Yeah. And I'm not afraid of saying things. Yeah. So this kind of encapsulates this idea of really feeling safe
to be who you really are with yourself. Yeah. And then to let the world respond to you the way that they will hopefully in a positive way. but that it really starts with you and you hold that. And I love this evolution because, you know, getting bigger and being more you is kind of like a, it's in a spiritual way. And so it doesn't necessarily mean that you or I in two years time have upgraded our house. Now go for
regular hair blowouts now. have fake eyelashes or a personal trainer or a personal chef, which actually would be super wonderful. I have somebody doing food, but you know that it's not. I always kind of have a bit of a hard time. So maybe you can help me articulate this element of being more, but it's really like just being, I don't know, shining brighter or some cliche of that kind. I would say feeling internally rich. Beautiful.
Yes. This is because I'm a finance person. All I think about like being rich, internally rich. There you go. You know, that's yes. Internal satisfaction for ex internal. How's my saying going now? Internal expansion for external satisfaction.
It's one of those two internal satisfaction anyway When you feel good inside when you feel full inside Even when crap happens in life You won't necessarily fall apart Right because you're you're really serving Not just in a moment in in in a way of keeping yourself satiated and rich so much more than any materialistic type of outcome. That's it. That's right. Exactly. Yes, definitely. Beautiful. Well this has been a very rich conversation.
Just so much beauty and like we're new to each other and and just being able to navigate that and make it so real. So Urmi, will you have some fun with me here at the end and challenge our listeners to go out and try something new? I don't care what it is. Go and do something new and then reach out to Urmi or to me and share what it is. Send this podcast to your best friends. Say, accountability challenge. We're taking this.
Tango class. Well, I have two left feet. Well, too bad because me and Urmi are waiting for us to tell them that we did something different. So take charge of your life and go out there and play. Do something and then make it real. Come back to us and let us know what it was because we want to hear. We want to celebrate that with you. And then we want to keep the wind in your sails to keep you going. Yes, definitely. There is a quotation I want to read because this is
on my phone. It says, all done so it says the cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek yes read it again it says the cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek guys if you want it go freaking get it yes If you actually want it, do it. Yes. Do it for yourself, not for anybody else. Do it for yourself to get that reward because you, you, you'll be like, why didn't I go in there sooner? Why didn't I do that? Just take a step. So we can't wait to hear
what you guys do. Anything big or small. There's no. There's no hierarchy, there's no judgment. It's to enter that cave, enter that cave and come back and share it with us. And I'll share Urmi's socials and all of that so you can find her and they'll be in the show notes. And if you have any other closing remarks, we'd love to hear them. I wish I had more, but I don't. Well, that one was pretty profound. Like I've got cheers and chills, so. I think we can, we
can sit in that. How long are we going to stand outside that cave staring at it going, I want it, I want it, but I'm too scared to go in. Yes. No, yes. No, no, no. I agree. I agree. Now, like, I feel like this quote, I listened, I listened to this in a podcast. And when I heard it, I was like, interesting. Interesting, because everything is dark, right? Every single cave you wanna go in is dark. And once you go inside, you never know, there might be a lot of things that you
can find, you know, you can find gold. Yeah, absolutely. Gorgeous. Awesome. Thank you. What a conversation. I'm like, I'm just thriving. So we'll be in touch and have a great rest of your day. Thank you. Thank you.