Hello, my darling, my beautiful, my assets of the world. Sorry, I guess that's a bit weird, but I just did a podcast and she said, we're all an asset. So I just, I'm going to just mix that in to the intro. as I welcome you, my powerful everyday women of the world, to another Startup Stories podcast where the ambitious everyday woman is heard, held, and served in life, in business, in the spirit, in faith, in every element
of your life. bringing you relatable stories to keep you sane, grounded, and growing as you expand yourself and deliver your purpose to the world. And do we not ever have such a perfect guest for this, you guys? Molly, Molly, I didn't ask you how to help me pronounce your last name before I hit record. Yeah, it's actually just like you would say roots, like grass roots. Roots.
Perfect. Molly roots. and what a great last name for like helping women embody or plant their roots into their purpose and flourish from there.
So you guys, Molly, I don't know, showed up on Facebook and sent me a message welcoming me to her group and I just felt really compelled to get to know her more and I am thrilled and honoured to bring her into this space to share a message with you about leading with purpose, living with peace, fulfilling God's use for you, his desires, his plans for you, and stepping out in your faith as a leader in whatever element of your life
that you're called to do so, right? We all have a different role to play and they all interlocked together. And a lot of things that I liked about Molly's platform is the structure, the intention, the slowing down, the faith allowance and following, like keeping your eyes on the Lord to walk in his plans, and just also giving yourself grace as a mom, as a business owner, as a this, as a that. and finding out how to kind of hold yourself organized enough so that you can do these things
without burning out, falling apart, right? Just keeping your eye on the prize with some beautiful support around you. So Molly and I had a chat a little while ago. We're meeting again now, you know, growing and nurturing this friendship, which I'm very invested in Molly, never a one and done. And I'm just really honored to host you as a guest on a podcast. cast and have a
beautiful conversation with you today. Yeah, I've just enjoyed our interaction so much Mia and your warmth and just your beautiful spirit is really just so attractive. So I'm excited to get to know you better and to share with your
audience too. Yeah, thank you. Thanks. It's like, you know, hearing that I'm going to do I did it already I said thank you because we don't always like to take compliments but you guys part of my journey in this is really accepting that that's the truth for me that that is part of God's vision for me and what he wants and if he loves me that much then why can't I love myself that much too so you know like I really appreciate those comments because okay sure my
insecure validate me inner self, but also, yeah, it's safe to be seen this way and it's safe to be that woman. It's safe to show up and, you know, discover more of who I am and let her grow. And I think that might be just a wonderful place for us to start our conversation, Molly. You know, you can share a bit of your background and what you've gone through or chosen, intentionally decided in order to become this version of yourself.
Yeah, that's so good. As I was kind of getting ready for this and just thinking like what's on my heart today, I really felt like I wanted to talk about identity and even what it is to go through an identity crisis because I feel like we do change as women. You know, there's different seasons. Sometimes maybe you're in a season of singlehood or marriage or family. And then as your children grow, there's just a lot of changes. And with that, identity shifts
happen. And so part of my story is just going through that identity shift when about five years ago, we made an international move. Our family did. My husband is from the country of South Africa. and we had been living there for almost a decade. And we moved right at the height of COVID back to the US. And so with that came so many changes. And in my own life, I had been
an entrepreneur. I had had this, you know, beautiful business, but it was also something that was kind of eating away at my quality of life because
my mental health was starting to suffer. I was just attached to my phone all the time because I had you know customers in different time zones and so I would even check sometimes in the middle of the night to make sure I could like I don't know I just did I didn't have boundaries and so I and then some things changed in my family too where my youngest daughter who is a miracle baby like she has the most amazing story and she's really our biggest story um but her life
is complicated and she started to have some problems that were, you know, kind of just popping out that needed my attention. And so I long story short, I felt I just didn't feel aligned with my business anymore. But it was our bread and butter. You know, it was how we were sustaining ourselves. So I was like full of angst about what would happen if I let go of it and really
had a long. time dealing with this with the Lord and delayed my obedience to him when he was telling me it was time to walk away I just I was like oh god no let's let's have a plan let me decide not you almighty how's this gonna work out and so finally I I did I just ripped the band -aid off and walked away and just entered a whole season of change and transition that's lasted quite a couple of years where God has helped me to like sit down with him and realign what
this is all about, you know, that this isn't just about, you know, measuring up to like comparing myself to other people who maybe seem like they have it more together, who are actually like
hitting these huge goals. I really just had to divorce myself of a lot of the talk that I'd been listening to in that journey as an entrepreneur and even some things that were out of alignment spiritually that I had gotten involved in I didn't realize it at the time but when I took a step back I was like that is not biblical you know some things that I was believing and and doing and practicing so the last like um three years or so have been a process of re -establishing
my identity in the Lord that you know I'm not to him, I'm not an entrepreneur first, you know, I'm his child and he loves me and he just wants me to be at rest in his presence and let him take care of me. And then the ideas that come in the business that was birthed from that has
been completely different. It's just been coming from a place of rest and peace and no longer with that anxiety of, you know, having to create some kind of amazing feedback for the world to see, you know, success, what success looks like. Yeah, so there is the identity piece already of letting go of what you believe for a while the only way to run a business and to make that money and provide and then to have to so uncomfortably and obediently trust the Lord to walk you forward
into something else. And her Facebook group is called Take Back Your Day. And I love that combination of words of take back your day of be a good steward of today's work as it connects to tomorrow next week, years ahead, etc. And it sounds like in this shift to there would have been a lot of restoration happening, right? Like redefining who Molly is, how is she going to show up and where is she going to establish boundaries with herself and set her priorities back into God's
divine order? Right. Yeah, that's exactly what I actually use those words, the divine order and what that looks like. And it's so easy to say that you want to put God first. And we do, we try to do that. But then next on the divine order list is your family and then your work, whether it's the ministry, whether it's a business, it doesn't matter. And the temptation is for
us to flip those last two. And especially if you're in the world like a Christian service or something that you, you know, you're doing for God. It's very easy to think, well, that has to be my priority, you know, that my family should, you know, just kind of, they're going to have to sacrifice some things. And sometimes, you know, there are things that we do, we work hard, but our priorities have to be, you know, our family, our marriage, our children, because
they're our first disciples. And those are the things we're going to be accountable for before
him one day. And I just felt really I mean my husband and I preach this it's something that I think we we just need to remind each other and other people of because the temptation is very real to put work first and to put those things and they kind of become idols very easily the work is something we do the family is how you show up as a in a state of being in a state of integrity and moral character and alignment to the Bible's teachings to take care of each
other and build that community and that, again, togetherness, right? And I just want to outline that because it's not indicating not to pursue those things, but not to put them higher than what really matters. Business will come and go. Molly's already shown us that she's had a complete change of work and where her business comes from. And I love that you said God doesn't see me as an entrepreneur first. He sees me as his child
first. This realignment of priorities and Molly, maybe you can walk us through what it's been like implementing them in your life and how now things are sort of coming back around to still provide and take care of you, but from a holier
place. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. One thing that I that the lord talked to me about a long time ago is making a covenant of peace with him and what that means to me is to to just fight for my peace that that's something that i'm not going to walk out into the world or any direction until i have it and it is it is a wrestling match sometimes you know um i used to be really into the enneagram and um as like an enneagram six was my type i was kind of somewhat horrified to discover anxiety
was something that was very familiar to this type. And so I had to really wrestle with that and just, you know, ask the Lord and say, you know, this is not my birthright. Like I am not going to receive that, you know, that my inheritance is anxiety. And so to walk that out meant to really make a covenant of peace and say, okay, I'm not going to live in that state of, you know, stress or anxiety, but I'm going to live and
fight for my peace. And so then what that looked like was very, it really involved some laying down of like how I mentioned, you know, my business and our paycheck and everything and walking away from that and being okay with, you know, quote unquote, just being a mom, which is such a fallacy because moms are, it's one of the highest callings, you know, that you can have and be obedient to
and say yes to. And so through that, just realizing I needed time to heal my nervous system and to be there for my child that had a lot of special needs and was going through some medical problems and things. And so, yeah, so that was a big part of it is just laying it down. And I think the principle there is, you know, when we lay things down before the Lord and you let them die, it's up to him if he's going to give it back again.
It's like what Abraham did with Isaac. And he really had to be ready to like totally end it and I think that's what God wants like he wants everything he's not happy if we give most of it and just kind of reserve a little bit and so that was for me a big part of it is just laying laying things down and even being okay with not you know making an income or just taking care of my home and homeschooling and these other things I was doing and so then gradually You
know, I think God kept it alive in my spirit and I have a lot of dreams or there's seasons when I have a lot of dreams so he would give me dreams to kind of remind me of Like this is what you know, I've put in you This is something that I want to see birthed and so I was able to keep those things kind of going like okay God it's not done like I'm not finished like this isn't the end and so just being really patient and allowing him to bring something to me and
I'm um very like open to the prophetic and so i would get words from people sometimes you know this or that or a scripture and just kind of holding those things and writing them down and praying over them and just trusting that this will come to pass. You know in God's timing and it's not going to be by might or by power But
it'll be by his spirit. And so there were quite a couple of like false starts I would try something and it just you know, my heart wasn't in it Something would happen where I thought this really isn't the environment that I want to be Spending my time in and so there was some of that trial and error and I made some big mistakes too and God's grace was just there to Help me kind of get myself out of some bad financial decisions, you know, when I made an investment that I felt like wasn't
really in alignment with who I wanted to work with. I had to get myself out of that and get disentangled from a relationship that wasn't, you know, didn't have peace at the foundation of it. And so he was just very kind and gracious to help me kind of figure it out as I went along.
And we want to have the whole roadmap. you know like what's it all going to look like but in reality he just shows us the next turn you know he gives us that next step and so just learning how to be patient and walk with God through different business decisions and trying to birth different things all that all sounds so like peaceful surrendered right and what i love is you're holding yourself accountable, you, the general you, and really trying to listen deeper, really trying to look
at yourself as to where you're still trying to create an outcome versus aligning yourself to his will because that is the ultimate and he's
just always waiting for us to come. and follow in step right it's us who are buzzing around like flies on a fruit or something in in this chaotic energy and in doing so then molly how has your life softened and opened around that you know like you're being shown mercy and you're being shown um breadcrumbs all at the same time to continue to move forward in a certain way, which then must be shifting on your identity, particularly with what you knew for a decade
of time and in a way of being. Yeah. You mentioned in the beginning of our conversation, you know, like how it was hard to receive compliments and just like my own intrinsic need for validation and things that come from the outside, you know, that are maybe a title or a label or an accomplishment. And, you know, those things are okay. But when it becomes our identity, you know, and then maybe you're not fulfilling those roles anymore or reaching those benchmarks, it can be, you know,
really kind of earth shaking. And so just looking at For me how to just be at rest and what God's called me to do and be faithful I think faithfulness is sometimes overlooked as a virtue and it's just that simple, you know daily walking things out being obedient to the last thing that God said Being faithful even when you're not seeing the fruit of it and knowing that we do plant seeds in faith and that there will be a harvest and working on mindset so for me it's been a
lot of, you know, what do I believe? And those things, I think our beliefs are even more important than our decisions. Because if we're making a decision in doubt, you know, that's not going to produce the kind of fruit that we want to see in our lives. But if we're making those decisions in faith, like even if it's maybe not the right decision, or the best decision, the fruit of that is going to be much different. And so looking at what is my expectation? What do I believe
about things? Not making things mean more than they should. In sales, like when somebody says no, it's not a rejection of who I am. It's just more about them and the unique place that they're in. And so just reworking mindset has been really, I've been working a lot on that. I'm going to give an example. that something that happened to me this week that I think will really put
this into the day -to -day context. So a friend of mine was featured in a summit in a, they're basically like a marketing platform community, beautiful, robust, genuine, heart -centered, but the journey that I went on to assess my fit, I suppose, as a future summit speaker wasn't exactly clear when it came to kind of making a next step, right? So maybe I'm getting a bit convoluted in talking. I applied to be a speaker in a summit. I thought that's what I was doing.
But it turns out that becoming a speaker in that summit means becoming a recipient of a coaching program that leads for nine to 12 months. And nowhere in that was clear. And here I was, moving forward, you know, thinking that this was going to be a good decision and that it would elevate my visibility and etc. and be a nice and like value compatible project. And then it comes forward near the end of like a review interview, that this is actually part of entering a coaching
program. So that sat with me in a few different ways of like, did I not do my due diligence in getting ready? Or was this sort of interestingly marketed, right? And then to not attach meaning to that, I had to kind of like, breathe, relax, let go. It's not my value. It's not my worth. It's not this. And then say, well, if God doesn't want this, he's closed that door and trusting that above everything else and letting that go.
And then I went back and I looked through again some of the materials and I didn't see anywhere in there any indications of this. I'm not questioning their integrity. It's their strategy. It's their
whole um set up and everything. What it did for me was what I feel like you're talking about now of is this in true alignment and in true like I guess the the fastest walk that I can do in the Lord's will and plans for me or not because we will take ourselves on detours and then we'll say well why are you closing that door I thought this was the door you wanted me to go on and he's like no not really that was you I'm over here and what that experience has
now showing me and he's reminding me because I already know Less is more in my case. My visibility is not going to come from being featured in somebody else's coaching program as a summit speaker. My visibility is going to come from these intimate, really soul -led conversations and moments where we're not just getting a message out and bragging
about how awesome we are. We're really imparting wisdom for how to live your life in a godly way, particularly in this conversation, to keep you encouraged so that you can reduce those distractions and you can stay more clear. More is not more. More is just like empty calories, right? That stick on your beautiful body of any age and weight,
ladies. You love that body. Love it hard. you know hopefully we can see how this applies in elements of our life and that it helps us to appreciate when he's closing doors that we thought for sure oh this must be the next thing because it came with these signs or whatever it's adding meaning it's adding meaning but in the end it allowed me to reflect and go I love what they're doing. I'd love to be a part of it, but I've learned that I want to do something like that.
That's even more honest and earnest and lead down that way. And I have no, you guys have no idea what it's going to be. And that's okay. Cause he's led me around the corner that you were just talking about. Yeah. I found that things
don't happen the same way twice. in our lives you know and maybe we're looking back at how something went down before and trying to recreate it or to make it happen again and it's it's going to be different you know because the the important part is the process we're in the being prepared you know that we're always being prepared for what's next and we go from glory to glory like that's also a kingdom principle that things get better in our lives and there's upgrades But
in order to be ready for that upgrade, we have to go through some things. And we have to be willing to go through that process and not just take the easy way out. And we're always looking for a shortcut or maybe this is it. But yeah, we don't want to spend longer than necessary, more time than necessary in that place of. the wilderness, I call it, you know, that time of preparation. But it has a purpose. It's important to realize, you know, none of those experiences
are wasted at all. They're all going to become part of our story of the next part of our lives and the testimony that we can speak and use and will encourage other people. You know, that's the point of it is that we want to be able to help people with the things that we've gone through. So I think that's. a really important piece to remember in the struggles and you know in the trying to figure it out time that all of these
things will be used in some good way. Yeah and letting letting that come through when you're going through one of those things right accepting it as part of a of a bigger puzzle and a bigger revelation. leading to another glory. Molly, you have such an eloquent way of speaking that I want to give you more and more of the stage
in this episode. So not to be too interview style, but what have you learned so far about your identity in the works that God has put through you and how he's shifted you into this new lifestyle, I guess? That's a good question. You know, I think some of it is just accepting who I am, and I'm someone that fits in very well with people who are not my own culture. And so that's been something that has been hard to fit back in to
my home country. That's been a big identity crisis for me, is to realize, like, why do I struggle with people that are of the place where I'm from? It should be easier. right? And it's actually not. I grew up in a cross -cultural environment on an Indian reservation. That was part of my DNA as a young child. And I've always been drawn to people from other cultures, other countries. And my spiritual gift is missionary. And that's
just what I want to do. And so then to realize God was sending me back to my own people, it's been a really unusual process to figure out, how do I relate to people? around here that I'm so much alike and I'm always looking for that one that's the foreigner or the someone that and that and then coming to understand that's
a gift that he's given me. It's not just a weakness or not just that I'm weird or socially awkward, you know, as I feel most of the time that actually he's made me that way to like seek out those people that also feel like they don't maybe fit in here and to be able to, you know, build a friendship or just be a blessing to them in some
way. And so I guess looking to that place of acceptance of who I am and the gifts he's given me and not apologize for it, learning how to deal with some unhealthy emotional habits or things I've been just living with for a long time about in relationships, how to handle those better and doing some inner healing. that's been a big part of this identity shift is just coming to understand like maybe it's something you do in your 40s, you know, you just like kind of
understand yourself better. And so I've been, you know, working on that. And yeah, just more self acceptance, I think, and just not self love in a, in a funny way, but just be like, you know what, I, this is who I am. And I, I, it might not make sense to other people. They might not
like it. They might not Agree with the things that I'm doing or following or pursuing or you know The reason that I have for waking up in the morning and that doesn't matter It doesn't matter if they don't agree with it or don't see the vision, you know, it's visionary women It's
like I've got something in me. That's just driving me I can't you know, I can't turn this off and realizing that's there on purpose You know whether or not like I ever reach that particular goal doesn't really matter because it's you know causing me to take risks and you know take steps of faith and courage follows faith it's just something that comes and so you take that step maybe you're full of fear um i know i usually am it's like okay i'm gonna do it this is scary but then the
courage comes it's like oh okay i didn't die you know it's like i can i can keep going so it follows just like a shadow and it's going to be there so that's something that you only have it once you've taken that step and I talk a lot about transition. I think that's a really, it's just such a vulnerable time in our lives when we're transitioning from one thing to the next. And so what we need to have character quality wise is to go through those transitions well
and end the previous season well. And then you've got to have the faith to get through that. Like if you're a picture, a trapeze artist, they have to let go of that one trapeze before they can grab onto the other. You can't hang onto them both. That's right. You're going to get split apart. In that transition, it's like a liminal space. There's nothing to hold onto. You're just there, and you're kind of suspended in midair.
And you're like, what's going to happen? And then that's the life of faith is then we reach out and we can grab hold of the new and, you know, in Philippians, it talks about forgetting what's behind and pressing on towards what lies ahead. And so that's been kind of a life verse of mine is like, OK, I'm going to let go of the old and grab on to the new. And it's always hard, you know, because we get very comfortable in our space. And that's one of the enemies that
we have to fight is comfort. you know, because we don't want things to, you know, be uncomfortable. And it's just part of the human experience. And so God is always, you know, facilitating that growth out of our comfort zones to do things and to grab hold of what's new. So, yeah, this is, this is a really tangible way of describing an evolving identity. for a certain period, like when we're children, we're open and curious and expressive and not judging each other, but it
starts young. My six year old, I'm seeing elements already, and I'd say they've been a little bit showing up for a year or so, so from age five. And then as we get older, we're really responding to how the... our perception of how the external environment slash people are responding to us. And then we start to shape our identity around that. And then we kind of grow up and settle into things that we've decided and stopped questioning, challenging or changing. And to do this identity
shift requires a desire, hopefully. like a to kind of get out of your own way. But it also requires a deep vulnerability and willingness to move into unknowns and to hold yourself through some of that discomfort. And you can You know, you can have elements of grief as you change. But if you really want things to be different, then you have to be different. And you have to question, why have I decided this, that, and the other thing about myself? What else could
be true? How did I feel earlier in life or how will I want to feel in the future? And start making some very easy shifts in your day to day. One example for me has been bedtime with my daughter. She does not go to bed early. Bless her sweet little heart. And I just trust the Lord that whatever. Okay, more time together every day.
Sounds good. not getting mad and just being steady and present and redirecting her, you know, reminding her why rest is important, that it's safe to calm down, that this is how we go to sleep, is by laying in her beds and closing her eyes. Whereas even, I don't know, three plus months ago, I'd lose my poop and just be like... And then, of course, it wasn't mom guilt, it was... Why am I choosing this? Why am I choosing to be so frustrated?
She is so little and delicate. And the other part that this feeds into is if that's an identity that I'm choosing, angry bedtime mom, where am I applying that in other parts of my life to myself and other loved ones or other people who have been put into my path in order to receive something from me, but I'm too caught up in my own ego or false identity that I can't serve
it to them. and get it through. And in my line of work, I see this all the time because people come in highly upset, highly emotional, highly fixated on a situation. And I choose to hold that space for them and see if I can lead them
towards softening it. and that is a practice that I do on myself and when I practice on others it comes back into me too and and that's how like I've been able to shift these bedtimes and it's way better now and and it's still late but it is peaceful and loving and if I can do that with something so simple as um bedtime where else can I Truly evolve and honor the Lord by showing up better more whole and more What like in order right to to deliver different outcomes
for other people Yeah, that's so good. Sometimes
we have to unlearn things. Yeah, and I have you know, I have six children and so by the time we you would think by the time you get to your six got it figured out and I love that example you shared of your child and our our last daughter has a diagnosis called pathological demand avoidance right and so I didn't know what that meant um and it's still it's a mouthful to try to explain so I probably won't dive into it but basically what it looks like in my home is that demands
cause her to go into a state of fear and anxiety. And so because of that fear, she can't comply with anything and basic things, you know, very basic. And like instructions of like bedtime or can you please bring your cup to the sink? I mean, just pick up your shoes or just very simple things. And so I've, my husband and I have had to relearn how to parent. And I just
love that. the analogy because I've learned how to basically serve her is what it looks like in real life is that I don't really demand anything at this point in our lives. I've reduced demands to just the bare bones to what we need to do to function and our whole household the atmosphere
has shifted in such a significant way. So instead of the volatility instead of the conflict instead of you know the escalating tempers and voices and things it's just it's much more calm and I feel sometimes very um I've worked through this but I felt very judged for quite a while um just even by other parents by what we were allowing our child to get away with and thinking and sometimes even that you know Christian communities can be the worst because we have high standards
you know we're doing things so differently than I I didn't believe this was the right way to parent. I mean, if I could have seen myself now a few years ago, I would have been shocked. But the fruit of it is more peace. There's more space in her nervous system for us to speak truth and to help train and teach her so that she can be a functioning adult one day. And so it's been unlearning years and years of things that we did with our other children. that we're not producing
good fruit in her life. And so I think it's helped me to see the world differently and also accept other people and their, you know, their issues, the things that they come with instead of feeling like, oh, I have to change them. Or even as a coach, you know, knowing that my role isn't to like try to change anyone. It's just to help them figure out how to ask the right questions. maybe how to receive whatever is beautiful in this season, instead of looking at it as something
to fight. And so kind of getting out of that fight or flight mode in my own family has helped me to help other people to see the things going on in their lives as, you know, perhaps an invitation to something greater instead of just, you know, a stressful circumstance. So, yeah, it's really good. To see it as as a bridge to something greater. Because when you shift now, listening to you,
I know your heart is bigger. I know your capacity is bigger, even though there would have been some resistance to having to parent and change your identity, your perceptions, your attachments to how you were parenting and then have to bear
the societal questioning. to see you doing that but by going first you give permission to others and you normalize the levels of I love how you said the levels of serving that people require we're meeting them where they are and I don't just mean in children I mean in everybody that we interact with we can make it about us and this is the kind of mom I am and this is how it's going to go down or this is the kind of employee I am etc. or we can really make it about
that other person and hold them in a much deeper space that we also benefit from because it changes. It's like very reciprocal change of who we are. And yeah, Molly, in coaching, the coach should be guiding you into yourself and not controlling or directing, right? It's a revelation and an
opening up. of your own self while they help you sort that out because it can be hard on your own to to do that level of work and in our day -to -day this is possible everywhere from how you're going to choose to wash the dishes and like this is God at work in my heart but I am so joyful washing the dishes cleaning the house folding the laundry I make a lot of jokes about laundry in my house of four not eight. But how lucky, how abundant, how like privileged to be
able to have these things. And that softens the heart, which I think just makes us like gentler people to one another, right? And when we do that, it's, it's beyond like at work, I love to say when I can crack them, crack their hearts, I crack their hearts, I don't crack their bones, guys, calm down. get this beautiful honor to soften them and show them something that they kind of wanted but didn't know how to get to
or were scared to get to. And that leads a greater benefit that comes with me and I think continues to reaffirm the identity that's still being created, right? Like we might have an idea and maybe an ego -driven idea of who we want to be, but if we can get deeper than that. And I guess it's a bit cliche, but like kind of really know who we actually are. Then new harvests can bloom out of that in a way that is far more natural
and Holy Spirit driven. Yeah. So tell us now a bit about these changes and, you know, you've put this all together now and you've come into a new season of being able to harvest in your life. And how are you using that now in service of others, you know, like this beautiful face group you've created coaching other women and helping them, you know, take us into that part of your world. Yeah, I think it's it's really helping leaders, specifically, you know, Christian
women. And I have a view that I think we're all called to leadership in some way, shape or form. If you're a disciple of Christ, you should have someone following you. Right. And so, you know, sometimes it's in the settings of our homes. Maybe it's in a ministry setting or a business
or your workplace. Everybody's, you know, audience looks different, but helping women to Become better leaders and so to do that you have to lead yourself Well, yeah first and so a lot of it is what we've been discussing about identity about inner healing About processing events through the right lens and looking at it is like well,
what was God doing in that season? and so learning how to become healthy that way and also learning how to recognize what your sovereign foundations were like What were the things that God put in
place and your very beginnings? and how did those help shape your life and so looking at life in a series of kind of like stages and processes that we walk through and then there's life maturing which you know is kind of processing all these events and all the things and you're trying things out and we want to be used by God we want to be good workers and good worker bees but often what happens is that he's working in us. And so that's really the depth of what's going on.
And then you get into other phases where you are being more fruitful and producing, kind of living your calling out. And what does that look like? What is that season? And ultimately, we want to get to convergence, where everything that's happened in your life is coming to a head. All the relationships, the experiences. You're done doing the things. you're bad at, you know, you can say no to those things that you're just saying yes, because you feel like you have to.
And you're really doing the things that you were created to do. And, you know, you can look at someone like Billy Graham, for instance, that was just he reached that point of convergence. And a lot of leaders don't reach that point.
Most leaders plateau. and they stop growing and they just kind of stay at that same level and just kind of flatten out or tap out or there's different red flags you know different landmines that we step on and you see people all the time that are falling you know getting into maybe it's financial problems or moral failure sometimes it's failure at home with their children and those things take them out completely of leadership
and you don't ever hear from them again. And so we have to learn how to avoid those pitfalls, what they are, how to avoid them. How do you continue growing as a leader, even when you've reached some success? You know, what are the things to have in place to continue to become that person that Christ has called you to become?
And so I really help, you know, women to do this and to look at their lives through this lens and reach, you know, their goals in life without sacrificing their family on that altar of ambition. or ministry, whatever it is, to really look at what success means to reward and ultimately to figure out why we're doing the things that we're doing. What is our philosophy of ministry, if you could call it that? I know it's a mouthful,
but sometimes we're just on autopilot. I mean, we just kind of do the same things habitually every day. And if we don't stop and think about why, or how if we're going to develop other people, how are we doing that, you know, and putting those down. And so you can kind of say like, this is why I do the things I do. This is what I believe about it. This is what God has taught
me. And so kind of having some framework to help make decisions and help develop other people, because that's the number one job of a Christian leader is to develop people. So it's important that we think about, you know, how we're doing it and why we're doing it so that, you know, we can leave a footprint here on this earth and that our work doesn't just crumble, you know,
we want it to be able to stand. So yeah, so I have a course that kind of walks women through this process and it's always different for each person and their situation and their circumstances, what they're going through and through transition. Transition is just a big part of our lives, you know, we're always one thing that's for sure and certain is that things will change, they're
not going to stay the same. So, you know, just staying soft and pliable and adaptable and able to, you know, not get bent out of shape that way. And I again hear and see that trapeze example that you gave and being willing to let go and float for a moment before catching the next bar and swinging into the what, you know, the next step like that. I've heard it called the gap as well, where you're you're in the gap of your
growth. And it can be the most vulnerable because it can be so easy to just go back to what was, right? And that is a beautiful space to encourage somebody to stay in and move ahead from. It's just like you have such a presence and such a clear. understanding and messaging around your work in the world, Molly. It's so beautiful to sit here and pay witness to that and receive
from that. And I just want to thank you for sharing that wisdom and this message around identity, which leads us through our lives and into, you know, other fulfillments that are waiting for us. It's such like kind of the epicenter of it all. Thank you Mia, I appreciate that. So you guys, I'm gonna share all her links in the socials for you and if you felt that pull, please go and have a conversation with her, join her Facebook group and spend some time in that. There's no
way you won't grow from being in her space. Well, thank you for the conversation and the opportunity. And I just love what you're doing. Just kind of spotlighting the everyday woman. I think that's just amazing. There's heroes all around us and everyone has a story. So just giving, you know, someone like me a platform to share that is really such a special gift. Thank you.