98. "Interruptible Arguments"

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Because you get baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I think Pastor Tony has talked about that on Portals before. Yes. Theology. You need to do a theology talks on that one. About the difference between Father, Son and Holy Spirit and the Lord Jesus Christ. Because people don't understand the difference sometimes. I feel a collision moment coming on. You feel it? Go ahead. Let it express. You have to let it express. And tonight we're going to talk.

something that I believe is important and the Lord has been impressing it upon me that every time I hear something come up to do with maybe a little you know, break in something or a little snitch, you know. But this time I felt the Lord was saying, this is what needs to be said. And that is the interrupting argument is needed here with another perspective that people will give somebody else a choice to have.

interaction with another choice, you know, or another perspective. And I don't know about you, but... This is something that's been missing in so many relationships. It's always got to be that one way. When you continually have something going the one way, you'll end up arguing because you think there's no way. to get what you believe. And if you're not thinking that you're wrong and you're not getting it right, then you start to kick back in a little rebellion.

because it's like I can't get rid of what I'm this impression or this perspective that I have and you're trying to tell me that it's rebellion, but I'm trying to say, I don't quite see it the way you do. That isn't rebellion. I was talking to Pastor Robin a while back and I just started my, part of my doctorate, one of the courses is psychology.

and christian counseling and the different and how the world's concept of psychology has some truths to it because you know we never want to discount anything throw the baby out with the bath water that saying but yeah And then also how we can apply that to kind of a biblical perspective. And so I was talking to Pastor Robin about interrupting argument and what it is. how it works in the brain and like that mental process and also the psychological aspect of it.

Mine was more to do with the perspective. Yeah, she says perspective, which I like. But which is exactly the same thing. But I like... The fact that you called it the interrupting argument because that's what Jesus did. He came with an interrupting argument with the disciples. It's actually, you know, we'll kick it off by saying this. If you don't think that you're ever wrong, you actually have a shorter lifespan. Like, because your brain's capacity to be at its optimal functional rate...

You have to constantly be taking in new information for your brain to survive. That's so important. And so self-righteousness and staying in that one perspective, people that never question themselves on being, could I be wrong in this? They don't live long. So let's start. And that would definitely not stimulate the brain to move. Very good. We got a comment that said, wait, what? Yikes!

I'll just say this. That's from Virginia. I'll just say this. The father is the only one who gets to say in his mind, I'm never wrong. Yeah. Because he lives forever. Amen. It's an eternal perspective. See, this is what you have to understand. To never be wrong can only come through an eternal perspective when you have the eternal body that you'll get because sin has corrupted us.

That perspective we will never ever get on this earth until we get to our glorified state. Because that's the Father's state. In his mind there is no wrong. In his mind there is no chance of not having the right thinking. So he's the only one that gets to say, I'm not wrong in this, ever. And it's not because he's bragging, it's because it's the truth. But when we try to assume that kind of place prematurely, our brain is not created.

to stand in that position because we're not yet in our glorified state so that's why it's a very very dangerous road because satan wants to kill us by getting us to think that we are right and we are our own answer And that we don't need to take in new information. We don't need to learn from others. We can just think what we want to think by ourselves. And that's it. So, yeah, you live longer when you question yourself every day. If you can wake up and in a situation...

assess and go, wow, could I be wrong in this? Is there another point of view that I'm missing? Can I take on new information? Maybe I'm not seeing it from this way. Maybe I need to listen to that person. Maybe I need to shut my mouth. We've had so many, not just in the church, but if you look at Christianity, there is just so much destruction to do with... even to do with families and such, because if you don't agree with the family, then...

you're not being faithful or you're not being loyal or you're not, you know, going their way. You're not going their way. But... the lord made you and he didn't make you the image of someone else he made you the image of himself if he made you the image of himself then the only one you really agree with is him. But what I wanted to bring, if you want to wait until we come back, all right, let's do it. Let's stop. That was to whet your appetite. With the truth.

i'm gonna make this intro very quickly you ready go for it hello everyone here right now i am your host shenanies and joining me we have pastor nathan hello everybody pastor tony casas hello and dr robin hi Wow. That was the biggest intro we've ever done. I think you might have wanted to hear some things. That was the Alexandra version. Right. Concise and straight to the point. How do you say glory? There we go.

So I was saying it's so important for us to see what you said about having another... you know worldview another idea another perspective and here's the key the key is that the lord made us that way you know we we can't all be the same We would die. If we didn't have variety, we would die. You know, in the world they say variety is the spice of life. It is in a way, but they use it for different reasons, but it is like the spice of life because it's bringing...

forward something that challenges your brain to think in a different way. And so therefore, when you think this way, you turn around and you think. Okay, it's not a case of me being wrong and you being right, you being right and me being wrong. It's, hang on, there could be more to this than I'm seeing. And that's the important thing here. And I just wanted to start with something that happened to me to give you really an idea of how important it is.

to have a perspective that you see. Now, I was coming to church one day, and I didn't have a lift. It was just an ordinary... and it picked us up and Nate was with us and Christy was in the car as well. And as we were driving along, it was quite a trip. all the way down to jazz gallery and as we were driving along um the the taxi driver said so what nationality are you what

What is the language? You know, you talk different. And I said, we talk English. He said, no, not quite. Not like they do here. I know. I said, we're Australian. Okay, and he asked us, so why are you here? And, of course, it went into the conversation of being a Christian, having a church, the whole thing came out. And then he said, so you're Christian? And I said, so what are you? And he said, I'm a Muslim. And I said, well, okay. And he said, look.

I tried that reading the Bible. I tried one time trying to understand, but he said, it always contradicts itself. And I said... My comment was, Lord, what do you want me to do with this one? Do I take it on or do I let it just drop? And the Lord impressed us that we were to take it on. And so he said to me, he said, I said, yeah, but it's the Holy Spirit that writes it. It was man is just.

You know, got different ideas, you know, what they see. He said, what do you mean? And I said, well, there's a building up ahead right now. I said, how many people in this car? And he said, there's four. And that's what it was. So I said, well, why don't we all look at that building right now and see what we see? He said, what are you doing? And I said, look, I'll show you. People's perspectives are different. So we looked at the building, Shania, and...

When we went past her, I said, so we all gave what we were focusing on at that building, and we all had different ideas. One of us had, oh, wow, it has a lot. of windows another one said a lot of light would come in because of all that oh it's a tall one and do you understand and possibly what it was made of right And so anyhow, I said to him, I said, so that's the building. Not one of us were wrong.

in telling what that building was. We saw the windows, we saw the light, we saw the size of it, we saw what it was made of. Not one of us was wrong. But yet we all had different perspective on what we saw. And he said, he thought it for a minute, and I said, That's exactly what happened with the disciples. Each one of them saw something different. It wasn't contradiction. It was just their perspective on what they saw.

And you know what he turned around and said to me? He said, that makes more sense than I've heard for a long time. He said, I've... Never wanted to, but maybe I will now take a chance and read this Bible again. Yay for the taxi driver. There's a guy that's turning around and saying, they're just hypocrites, you know, just contradicting all the time. But nobody took it on. It's a challenge to say, well, you don't have to have the same...

view as I do. You're not wrong. I'm not wrong. We just see it differently. I am excited to Unpack this because you were in a counseling session once Which one? There's a few of them that I've been in. Tell you what, every day it's like. Well, it was a council slash turning into a portal, and you were bringing out this perspective that really healed.

my perception of how things are in myself and how we relate to one another. So I am excited to draw that out because I did write down those gems in case you forgot. And I hope that you would love to touch into it because you were describing the disciples, which will bring that out more as the conversation goes. Yeah. And things like that.

Pastor Nate brings out all the scientific and even the body, how it works with it. So why don't we get you to bring something out on that? Yeah, from the disciples' perspective...

Something that I'm learning right now is called the DISC profile. And what that is is basically every Christian counselor... Now, disclaimer, this is not the same as... uh categorizing through a a resource known as the enneagram we've done a lot of portals okay the enneagram was founded by a brazilian spiritist who has not the holy spirit

and who was void of the Holy Spirit and believed in Carl Jung's Dark Shadows of the Mind and Freud's and all those theories. So different school of thought, all right? This school of thought... is kind of understanding that while we are individual because we need the body god allows us to have in similarity the same kind of characteristics

Because if we didn't have some kind of category, I wouldn't say category, but some kind of, I'm going to use the word tribe, all right? Tribe that we belong to. that we can assimilate with we would find it very hard to feel accepted because if we're just an individual without a tribe we would feel like a vagabond and a wanderer

And that's what a lot of people in the world feel like. They stand firm in their individuality, but they don't feel like they have their tribe, you know, their group. And the group is important. We talked about... breaking away from the group being important but now it's also important to find your group

Because when you find your group where God has made you and placed you, that will help to bring out all of the characteristics that he put within you. And iron sharpens iron, gold refined by gold.

So this always comes back to the need relationally why we need people. So why I say that is because the D-I-C-S is like the first letters of the word disciple. And so... what they've done is they've said right there are four main categories of you know human personality and people will fit within those categories now the difference between the enneagram and the dics uh um sorry disc my bad disc um is that the enneagram says that because my behavior is this way my identity is this way

So I will forever be this way because I behave according to this model. But the DISC says my behavior presents this way, but it's not who I am completely. And my behavior is adaptable.

So if you're a D, which you are, when speaking with you, I can learn to communicate on a D level. It can't be an A or a B. No, sorry. Sorry, it can't be a D. you know if you're more which i'll just let you know you're more like a c you know you're more into like the process and the details and you like things to be

fitted so that everyone can get a well-rounded perspective and it's not just about the one person you know um then i can learn to communicate with you on the that c level i'm not limited because i'm a one or a two, or a three, or a four, like the Enneagram would say. Well, you're a four, and that means you don't respond to conflict very well, so therefore you're not going to be good in very confronting situations.

The DISC teaches as we learn more about who others are, we learn more about who we are because the body needs the body. And then by learning that, we can adapt. And that's what Jesus did.

when jesus sat down and talked with matthew he talked from the perspective of the s which is all about security and all about showing that the plan is secure you know matthew was a tax collector um he was into the details he was into you know all of the numbers adding up now when he spoke with john john wasn't like that john was what you call you know an eye

He was up in the heavens. And eyes can sometimes present as impetuous, but that's because they follow spontaneity better. Yeah, very much so. Because they're more interested in the spontaneous moment. giving God that perspective of being interruptible. So we need I's because they teach us to be interruptible. Whereas a D is the person that's like Mark, you know, very bottom liner.

like you know i don't need to know how much it costs you know i just need to know when to be there what to do and what to do when i show up don't give me all the story about how you know meet this person on the road and then blah and then then talk to this person and then that'll that'll lead to you know the kingdom of heaven being furthered like this no no just give me the bottom line right and we need those people in the kingdom because the seas

Like, you know, who Luke is, who was a physician, very detail-oriented, very detail-oriented. But the Cs can tend to get caught in the details. Who is the man? Yeah. Face of a man. But the Cs can get... caught in the details so much so that the details plague them because that becomes their you know they have a saying and i said it in kingdom emotions any strength that you overuse will become a weakness

It does. You know? So Luke, his strength is details. But if he relies on details only and wants to be around detailed people only, that will be the thing that stumbles his life. Because it will be a weakness. Because that's the type. he was yeah that's what and being being a doctor that's the way he he was that's the way he was being a disciple didn't stop him having that

attitude that he had and that perspective because he was a doctor. Doctor C, right, this is what's going on. This is what will fix it, right. And he's the prescription for it. Do you understand? So Jesus... sat with all four men and was able to communicate with them on all four levels. He did. It's like if I put Abraham in the room with Moses and then I put Moses in the room with Ezekiel and Ezekiel in the room with Daniel.

they're all going to have different perspectives of how they encountered God. And some of them could even get into arguments because their personalities would clash. Because what's important to Moses is not important to Abraham. And what's important to Ezekiel is not what's important to Daniel. And God allows it that way because he wants us to lean on each other.

to expand, here we go, our worldview. Because it's very important to understand that worldview, as prospective as what Dr. Robin calls it, is what we will live our lives out of. So the first 20 years we will spend developing our worldview psychologically.

That's what you said, didn't you? We'll learn about the world. We'll learn about how we fit in the world. We'll learn about, you know. Why don't we let Pastor say that? That kind of perspective. Give him a go because that's something he shared with us the other night.

You were saying that when I shared that with you, you were feeling that that was really apparent. Yeah, like I'm in that stage where you look back, not sort of forward, and you reflect and go, oh my God, what have I done with my life? Why don't you go from the beginning, the different years? I think it was Nate that revealed it. You know, I shared it with you. The first 20 years are building the world view, constructing it. Yeah. And then the next 40 years...

are living from that worldview. So that's why when you turn 20 psychologically, something happens where now you're not just forming the worldview. You want to live. You want to live what you've built. yeah and it's all about being independent and getting out there and trying it you know and then the moment you turn around like uh 59 60 something changes psychologically and you start saying i don't just want to live

I want to see the fruit of what I've lived. And so your brain changes into a different place of assessing. So the first 20 years are building, the next 40 years are living, and then the last... usually 20 to 40 years because every generation is nearly like you know at least 80 years is to assess hang on what has living from my world view brought into my life as fruit that's why a lot of

Like when you sit down with a lot of wiser people, they have a perspective of looking back and going, well, you know, I wish I could have chosen this better. And I think also they look back at their perspective and they think, well... Maybe I could do something about it now because it seems like I've been missing out. not growing in this to allow my perspective to grow in it, you see. Now I want to bring that Jesus came and he came with this very interrupting argument.

because the disciples had this idea of how it was going to be done. He was going to come as a king. And he was going to fight the Romans and free them. And what did he do? He came as a baby and he brought this message which was all about love. And man, that started a war of emotion because, no. He brought an interrupting argument that they didn't want because they had their perspective on how this was going to be done. And so...

They were all ready to stick to this one worldview. And they thought Jesus was going to enhance it. or to justify it, or whatever he was going to do. But when he came as a babe, grew up, did the whole scene that man does, us. It wasn't good enough. It wasn't good enough. So there was, from that moment on, there was disputes. There was disputes. Such things like... Why are you allowing this woman to restore that perfume? How much did that cost?

Everything was stirring and stirring and stirring because God was trying to show them that no one is the same. And that's what makes us unique. and if they had but just listened to what he had to say they would have allowed that interrupting in their world view but And what I called, like Pastor said, interrupting argument, an argument that came, not a fight. but an argument, a disagreement, another perspective that could change. Yeah, when we say argument, you know, the word there is like...

In the psychological aspect, it's like an introduction of an outside thought. You know, it's not literally an argument. Like Paul says in, you know, 2 Corinthians 10, every high thing... that exalts itself against the knowledge of Christ, including imaginations and arguments. Now, that word argument means thought processes, ways of thinking. And Pastor Tony, I want him to share on this because...

We find in the book of Genesis that the Lord said it is not good for the world to have one worldview at the Tower of Babel because... Without the unity of the spirit, and I think this is important to understand, we think that agreement is unity.

You know, that's good guys. It's not and we think that agreement and all of those things have to come so we can be in unity but if you go back to pastor tony's message from last sunday morning first what we need to be in is the unity of the spirit and that will bring agreement That will bring everybody listening to one another. And this is what the famous UN is trying to do. They try to get everybody to sit around a round table and agree without the unity of the spirit.

Shall we pass it on to you, Pastor? So, Pastor, talk about the difference between uniformity and the unity of the spirit. And you shared really greatly on that last Sunday. It was really good. What the ecumenical movement has been trying to do is unite churches but not in truth. They're trying to accept each other's differences which are not theologically correct.

That's a spirit of unity. It is not the unity of the Holy Spirit. What the Holy Spirit does with the real church, and I'm not trying to be divisive when I say that. is the Holy Spirit reveals to the leadership of the church what he wants done, and then everyone is to agree that it's the Holy Spirit and to obey it. And so that's a different kind of unity. That's the unity of the spirit. And the way the Lord works it is there's a witness within us all.

that is saying the same thing. The revelation gets confirmed in all of us. We're not robots, but we all agree this is what the Spirit's will is on any given... matter in the church and what you say is really important there because you said it's the unity of the spirit within us and this is how we try to do unity in the world we try to fix the outside things first

So you and me need to agree on this fact of life so that we can be in unity. But yet the very thing that we have in common, as believers especially, is I just told you we have different personality types and God wants it that way. But what is going to bring us into unity of the Spirit, the Holy Spirit in you and the Holy Spirit in me? So if I can get in agreement with the Holy Spirit in you and you can get in agreement with the Holy Spirit in me, we'll be in the unity of the Spirit.

But we can come. And we try to always bring agreement before to try and get us into unity of the spirit. Let's get along. Let's tolerate. Let's compromise. Let's coexist. That's not unity. Yes, but... Now, that works great when it's two Christians and they're moving by the Holy Spirit. And, you know, unity of the spirit can happen. But I want to talk about the fact that you are... able to have another perspective whether or not you know Christ yet or not because most people think

If I disagree, then I'm being rebellious. Yeah, I'm not in unity. Or I'm being disobedient. And first it's not even unity. First it's, you know, you go into self-examination of yourself and you think, well, I must be being rebellious. Why can't I be teachable? Now, I think unteachableness is something totally different than this, you know? This argument or this way of thinking, this perspective is healthy. Unteachableness is not healthy. All right?

So we've got to look at it like that and we say, well, I've been looking at it and I've been thinking about it and I've been thinking, Lord, I've been talking to him about it and I've been saying... This is what happened when you were on this earth. And it's still happening today. People are losing their identity because... they see things with a different perspective. You see? And so...

They want everyone to see things with their perspective. Now, that's the unhealthy thing about this. Because why? Because the Lord never created you. to have the same perspective on everything there'd be no versatility if if you just were i know unity but i wouldn't talk about versatility versatility yeah yeah There would be none. There would be none. Absolutely none on this. I think it's important from what I'm learning to understand that the Lord confused us.

The Lord confused us for a reason. You know, the Lord confused us for a reason because man, when it was only one worldview, straightaway turned it against God. You know, so we have to understand that. Now there's two aspects of this because I've got to bring a godly, you know, check here.

Because someone could be listening and think, oh, okay, well then, you know, that means I get to disagree. No, because interrupt or argument is on the receiving end as well as the giving end. Yes, both ends. Your arguments have to be able to be interrupted.

Just like you have to be able to interrupt someone else's arguments. It works both ways. And if you only focus on one aspect of it you'll end up in that same pit of always being right. The key to this whole truth is that... being right does not allow you to grow in life because when you're right you attach belief which is an emotion the moment you touch emotion to a thought it's solidified you literally

built it in cement in your mind. And it takes a whole lot of work to dig that and excavate it and demolish that. To bring it down. And that's why it's such a move of God when a non-believer comes in. And the Holy Spirit, it says, opens their eyes. I would say if somebody just thought it was on one side, they're a little self-centred, aren't they? Just a wee bit self-centred. It's got to be able to be on both sides. But the key is if this is a healthy thing...

And this is where I'm coming from, from the Holy Spirit. It's a healthy thing and that's what we want to concentrate on. It's healthy because it brings life. It also brings a new perspective. It brings things that will cause you to grow and to go forward. And like Pastor said, if we... just had one opinion, one perspective, then we would just die because there isn't that variety in things.

Wow. We're going to interrupt these messages for a brief moment to take a break. Okay. So we have some comments in here that... I want to see if you guys want to address. If not, we can hold them until later because I think you guys are about to start unpacking the last comment that just came up. But we don't want to hold you up for too long, so we're going to take a short break.

and come right back we're also going to say hi to a few people so stay tuned come on bring him out it's gonna challenge them Pastor Natalie Natalie, you gonna come up? She's interrupting so we're just gonna say hi to a few people that came on i think leslie came on shahana was watching hello you guys josie I think we said Alexandra beforehand. Danielle. Danielle, hello. Hello. Because we have 27 people watching and engaging. So thank you. Jackie Quest. We had a...

Earlier comment that came out from a lot of people. Oh, here's one Virginia says this is already blowing my mind So thanks to Virginia for watching. Right. Souffle says, I struggle often with thinking everybody else must be right about me. And I'm. the one always wrong yes that's my that's my point here it's healthy if you work with it If you command it or control it, it is not healthy. And I don't want it like that because...

I see in this statement that I said, I see great healing coming as a result of it. And right before we went on break, Dr. Robin, you were starting to dive in a little deeper to that. example of and that was part of the gems you were bringing out in the counseling I referred to earlier was how we receive and perceive the argument.

And because we have the differences in personalities... we tend to think well that person doesn't understand me or that you're not valuing what i'm saying they're not listening and when you said that to me it it definitely healed something in me of thinking that you know when i'm trying to deliver something And if a person doesn't receive it in the way I deliver, especially if I feel like I'm like laboring to deliver in certain certain way or offense comes up.

It's like in both ways, and I say this in both ways, it's like, what am I doing wrong? Or why is this not going well if this is the concept of having communication? If the walls go up and if the conversation... falls flat, then of course they are not listening. But you need to be able to listen too. You need to listen. Why?

Because tonight we brought out that it's not healthy to have one opinion and that's all you live from. I mean, I think the statistic that shocked me when I was learning this is... And I know I've said it, but I think it needs to land in people. So we speak at 200 words per minute. We listen at 800 words per minute. You said that the other day. For me, that is amazing because if I want to take in more information...

then what avenue am I going to choose? And I think we think we will learn more by speaking more. No. Because we believe our own thoughts and we believe that when we verbalize our thoughts, they become solidified, you know, truth. Sometimes I'm learning, sometimes we try to speak so much to say it out loud so that we can believe in it.

Because we're so unassure of what we're actually thinking. So by hearing ourselves say it, we're like, oh, yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, I agree with that because we don't even know. But the Bible says. Wise people listen. Listen first. And foolish people do all the talking. yeah so if you're just rolling it off your tongue and doing all the talking and bringing forward all your perspective you're being very foolish because

You are not giving the opportunity to someone who can add to this. Such a flavour. But you have to be prepared to listen. This is it. Before we go back into the break, I think what's important by this is we talked about the different personality types. And, you know, how can someone, like someone's probably going to ask, well, you know, how can I be interrupted?

to have more information be brought to my mind without being offended. Well, when you listen more you don't get offended because you actually learn that people are different. Like if you sit in the room and you're quiet and you listen and you watch different people communicate, you actually learn, oh wow, that person isn't like me. They actually are different in the way that they take in.

you know verbal and physical communicating signs so like just recently i was in a situation where there was some you know back and forth and people were interrupting people in a way that was all about self and it wasn't about learning about one another and i just sat there and listened and i was just watching and i was learning okay wow that person is triggered by something different than what that other person is triggered by. And by me shutting my mouth and just observing and watching...

I learnt, oh, okay, it's not a personal thing when that person is going to, you know, maybe communicate to me in that kind of way. It's just the way that they've been taught. and the way that they found comfortable it's their the word we use is communicative style right it's just their style but now the challenge is you cannot stay in that style you must

Adapt, because Paul said, I become all things to all men. But pastor. Gentile to a Gentile, Jew to a Jew. But the way you adapt is allowing this to come. and this worldview to come in this new perspective and it starts you on a journey if you don't allow it to come in and you don't participate in this by the Holy Spirit, you will start to dry up. You know why? Because your arguments run out of power, run out of strength when you hear yourself, when you only listen.

to yourself, you dry up really quickly. And it's because you void of the Spirit of the Lord are dry. You know and I think this is important because I think we think that we're a lot more fuller Through our own ability than we are like, you know, I taught in my course The ability to feel compassion for someone, the ability to love on someone, the ability to give a compliment, that's not you.

That's Jesus in you. All good comes from God. And I think we have to get to that idea that there's nothing good in me. without the Holy Spirit and Jesus living in me. So if I look at you and say, you know what, Shania, you are such like a good friend. You are so respectable, you know, loyal. I'm choosing to let the Holy Spirit flow through me, but who is generating and energizing that love? It's not me.

Because as man, I cannot do that. Because in the next breath, I can turn around and curse you to your face. You know what I'm saying? I think that's the key. Here's the key. And I won't, by the way. Two conversations going on with Jesus in both conversations will always cause there to be listening and hearing and then eventually speaking.

And can I just say, I think Pastor Robin models this like to the T. Because let's talk about this. I love this kind of talk because this is what I just get my hands into. What is real listening? Because real listening is not just sitting and letting people talk. It's called active listening. So that means there's an active participation. So even as you're listening, you're having an inward conversation with the Holy Spirit.

Yeah, I do this. This is what Pastor does all the time. She does. Because the world will teach listening issues. So we have a three-way conversation. Like this. passive kind of stance of just shut your mouth and i'm not having that conversation to put the person down i'm actually asking how does he want me to respond and i'm learning to say holy spirit how can i open my mind

to what this person is saying give me a different perspective right now you know you're having that conversation with the holy spirit and he's guiding you through true listening you know not it's not just sit down you know and listen and like don't have because you can't stop your brain

Even when you're listening, you can't stop your brain. Your brain is going to put on the projector screen some kind of image. Whether it's an image of what that person's talking about, some kind of image will form.

If you're talking about a day in Central Park and I'm listening, I'll begin to see the Central Park vision that you're talking about. But the key is now, how do I say on this part of interruptible argument, when you're interrupting my argument... so that i don't get offended how do i say holy spirit open my mind right now expand my pathways you know like i'm learning from dr robin like living with her

as my mom and as my pastor, as my leader and as my mentor, I'm learning when I sit with her, because she thinks different, I want to think more like that. Every time I sit with her, I want to learn not just... admire it from a distance i want to take it on as my own because admiring it from a distance is just flattery

You know, and appreciate. Oh, I appreciate the way you think. No, I want to imitate you. Please don't appreciate. Value it. You know, I want to imitate you like you imitate Christ. So I want to know what makes you think that way. And because I've had different life story, different life experience, I have a different personality and communication type than her. Her background is different. The Lord will use the...

the gelling of those two things to bring gold. Because my perspective and worldview is very different. But this you have to understand. Now this works two ways. Listening to the Holy Spirit, having the conversation with the Holy Spirit as well as having the conversation with the person you're listening to. Then you've got the other one. Well, you're listening to the devil. This is it. And you're having the conversation with someone, but listening and having the conversation with the devil.

This is the way it works, okay? You're always talking to someone. Okay, so what am I saying about this? I'm saying Christ in us, the hope of glory. Now, if we've allowed him... to do the speaking, okay, and weather vessels, and he pours himself out through. And sometimes you might have a little bit of a disagreement. Well, Holy Spirit, I don't know if I...

I can handle that or I believe what you're saying there. You better explain that to me. And it's like you're not going to have a conversation like that with the devil because he'll never show you. like that he'll show you like an angel of light so you think you're talking to something but it's you know but it's actually you agreeing with him

You see, that's really dangerous. So the key here in this interruptible argument is are we allowing the Holy Spirit... to be able to interrupt our thoughts, our listening, our speaking and allow the Holy Spirit to do the active. Conversation. in us to others and if you're speaking to a christian it's wonderful because you should be having that communication but what if you're speaking to someone in the world

You still have to let the Holy Spirit. I don't care if they're not saved. You're going to be saved. you know, speaking through what the Holy Spirit speaks to you or letting him speak through you. So the unsaved person, we have to deal with that. But it's still the Holy Spirit that's going to be speaking through us and interrupting an argument that doesn't bring Christ into it.

I think this is the key. I know we're meant to be on a break, but we're just going back in. No, no, no, we went back in. You're fine. This is the key. I think Pastor Robin has just touched really, really on the key center of this whole thing, right? First point. We let the devil interrupt our arguments more than we let the Holy Spirit. First point, okay? There it is. We're so used to being interrupted by demonic voices that it's become our go-to.

And then when the Holy Spirit tries to interrupt, because we've given more consistency to the enemy, it's foreign. And it becomes very, very, it has to sometimes be delivered with... strength and a rebuke the holy spirit doesn't always want to have to rebuke us he wants to be able to interrupt us in the moment yeah and say think better

Choose better. That's my first point. Second point is this, what Pastor said is so powerful. If we let the Holy Spirit interrupt us, here comes kingdom emotion, then we can become more interested in what he feels. in the moment now that doesn't mean agreement because sometimes the holy spirit is not in agreement with what is being said and he will let you know i'm not in agreement there must be a righteous stand there must be a stand for truth

You know, but that's a feeling that he's giving you. But when you don't let him interrupt, this is where it comes from because you live from what you feel. And the actual voice. of the devil which is the angel of light actually sounds like yours and this is the key so we'll live from what we feel via a demonic source of emotion

And then this is why offense comes and this is why walls come and not boundaries. Because we say, oh, that person's like, you know. And again, this is what we do. On the receiving end, when someone tries to interrupt us. We say, oh, that person's personally attacking me. Because we haven't filtered it. And here's the key word. The conversation goes on with the Holy Spirit. As you're listening, the Bible says interpretation belongs to God.

God is the only one that is allowed to interpret to you what a person's motives and methods are. And what's going on in their heart. And if you try to interpret... void of the Holy Spirit, you will never hear interruptible argument from him. Even in the word of knowledge, you're not going to get it all. You know, when you're working with a word of knowledge, it's the condition of a heart.

But God doesn't tell you anything. It's a word of knowledge, not... a book of knowledge or words of knowledge it's a word so you get one word on the condition of a person's heart but that's not everything and so You can't even use the gifts in that to try and think that you know. It's only one word. It's been given to you by the Spirit of God to put you on a right direction, okay? Because he speaks in many different ways. But we listen way too much to the devil. And his voice sounds like ours.

And we try to interpret people and circumstances and the movement. We try to use an earthly mindset to interpret spiritual movement. And that's why Joseph had to learn, even in his small way, we did a portal last year in the Plandemic that talked about usurper or master interpreter. Which one will you become?

And I think that is really, really apparent when it comes to this kind of... And the world calls it critical thinking. We're not going to call it critical thinking. We're going to call it spirit-led thinking. Because we're told every day, okay, you've been given a new heart. Your emotions are being led by the soul, which as we know is being led by the spirit. But your mind must be renewed. So you have to choose renewal every day. So that's an active choice of thinking right and better.

But I think it's important because in this spirit-led thinking, we're going to learn to respect the difference that God has put within other people. And we're going to learn. To let the Holy Spirit interrupt us. Pastor Natalie is here. She's going to give us some wisdom. Because she has wisdom. Trust me. Sorry, I'm halfway in. But listening to you guys.

I think a lot of the interruptible arguments shows it should be a highlight to you about I think your relationship with other people can it can show that either you them yourself or you are actually a person that takes time to get to know someone and it's a thing that's a good gauge in the way that you have conversation so to keep your mind open if you're ready to have

an opinion about what the other person is saying to you just because you don't agree with them it can actually be a highlight to you or a wake-up call to you that you're ready to judge quickly before you're ready to receive interesting about this especially talking about the world view right because you've got to talk about it but yes if we just talk about it you know with christian with christian it

it's unfinished right and what i what i was finding interesting talking about that most of the times you know we get our world view from our parents you said in the first 20 years Most of that is coming from how we were raised and how we were brought up. But most of us don't even like that process that we went through but hold on to it so dearly and use it when it comes to relating to other people. It's interesting where the Lord is saying, this is why we need.

more more interruptible arguments into that perspective because that's only what a world view from two people that you've gotten when the world is immense as far as relating to people if you can do what god created us to do and to be it can really bring unity of the spirit what's important to understand about this like from a psychological um like you know approach is that on the receiving end to do with self-identity it is easier for us to be interrupted um in the way that like say

Like, you know, you're telling me, you know, that you love me and that, like, you're, I want to say admiring, you're valuing something about my personality, right? It is easier sometimes for us to... receive that in a negative way from the enemy because say passes value I mean oh you know you're so loyal someone said here on the thing what does an interruptible argument look like from the enemy

Well, this is how it plays out. You're valuing me through the love of Jesus energizing you. You're actually flowing self-value from the Holy Spirit but manifested through your vessel to me. The interruptible argument is too good to be true. Don't believe it. Yeah. That's the voice of the enemy. No, they're just saying it because they have to say it. And the other thing is what's the result? Yeah. This is the key, the result of this interrupting argument.

can bring absolute life into the situation. It can bring so much colour, and I'll call it that, so much colour and flavour. to a relationship, a conversation, if you're willing to let God use this argument to bring a change. It can bring absolute life and health because when you're always just doing it and seeing it your way, you're getting unhealthy. Every single day. Because God created your body to have this.

Why did Jesus bring it if it wasn't a part of his mandate to bring it? He brought it to bring healing to them.

Come on the way they wanted to do it. He wouldn't they would never have got healed and it's important to understand We will experience pain all of our life pain is not something you are ever going to stop pain is a part of the process of growth go to the gym you have to have pain to grow a muscle right pain brings forth life because pain pushes you to go beyond the point of comfortability and grow now whether that's you know a physical pain a spiritual pain an emotional pain so

So pain is a messenger system. I keep saying this. It's your body's way. It's your mind's way. It's your heart's way of telling you something is not right. Address it. The difference is we don't have to let pain turn into suffering. Yes. And the problem with suffering is that suffering is always born, here I go, out of making a judgment.

The moment you make a judgment on a person, on God, on a situation void of his interpretation, you've just turned a painful moment into a suffering moment. Can you? Can you imagine, get this picture, you talking to someone. and they're talking, they're having their conversation with the devil, and you're having your conversation with the Holy Spirit. Just get the picture of that. Just get the picture. There's got to be war.

But not between the people, but the spiritual forces. There's going to be absolute war. And we don't realise this is a spiritual matter. This is a spiritual matter. And so we think that if we don't agree, we're the ones offending here. If we can't... have something to say, which through the Holy Spirit we, you know, we just fall back. And all our identity is gone.

This is healthy. It's healthy. If it wasn't healthy, then Jesus wouldn't have done it with the disciples. He was forever interrupting them. with the with the argument of the true argument of why he came yeah this is the key and tied in with why that argument sticks is because you know the prodigal son's father tried to interrupt his son's way of thinking and say you know in that parable and in that example it's not time son it's not time son pat

Because of judgment, the prodigal son couldn't be interrupted because he had made a judgment that his father was withholding from him what was rightly his. So...

Judgment in that moment stopped the Holy Spirit through his dad saying, sorry need to interrupt your world view you have one perspective yeah but i have a narrow-minded perspective and this is the problem when you become narrow-minded because you've made so many judgments judgments literally become the walls that keep you in that narrow i'm going to give you a good name for when you become narrow-minded in your judgments and you can't see another person's perspective

You are nothing but a conversational bully. Now, this is the key. Oh, wait a minute. What perspective are you meant to see? Because then there could be argument, well, should we agree with non-believers? No. You never see the perspective outside of truth. If someone comes to me and says, I want to live my life.

you know different according to the way i want to live it different from the way of god and the word of god that is not an interruptible argument that is allowed because the holy spirit's emotion in that moment is for you to stand for truth yeah and not compromise but a lot of us fall into well you know your intentions are good you know you're a good person as long as you know as long as i've got you on side or as long as you know you're a part of the family

But this is why it has to come back to the Lord interpreting your emotions and giving you his. Because if you go by what you feel, you would compromise and allow that standard of living. And the Holy Spirit and the Lord Jesus Christ. It would affect you in the end. And the Lord Jesus Christ and the Father is up there going, hang on, did I let my son go through all that torment for you to say that he's not the only way?

Yep. That's what he's saying. Hang on. Did I let him be beaten and mocked and spat on and tortured and whipped and scorched for you to say? Oh, right. For me, it doesn't work. there has to be another way no he's going to stand up and say sorry the only way to the father is through the lord jesus christ now that's an interruptible argument that you need to give in that situation

to someone that is not allowing the Lord to interrupt their lives. Because this is where it's got to come back to the Holy Spirit's emotion. So many levels. Giving, receiving, all of it.

So there's many levels of this process of interruptible arguments from having a conversation and being just... close-minded on a situation and you know if that's your friend then you need to listen and then when you've finished he or she listens then if it's true friendship then you'll be having your part of that conversation now that's one level And then there's another level when there's a dispute, you know, a big dispute on something and, you know, another daughter fighting, arguing and...

you know, she just doesn't understand me. And, you know, and then of course the mother would be saying something like, oh, she just never listens. But it... Pastor did this a little while ago and he asked a question of two people. And you want to tell them what you did? You asked them to finish the conversation. I said, deep down in your heart.

When you have interaction or communication with this person and it ends up being a strife moment, it's something your heart is saying, like, I just wish you would. I said, what's the end of that sentence? And both of them. And the person said... listen and i said well that's exactly what your heart is longing for you to do and because you have been

sideswiped by smoke and mirrors of a fence, you haven't seen that you both have the same thing in common. And they both had the same words, exactly the same words. Both said, listen. So they had the end game, but how to get to it was important, you see. Both of them wanted to be heard and to... the other one to listen. Now, were they saying, I'm right and you need to listen to me and there's no other way but my way?

No, that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about an interruptible argument that can be introduced to giving a new perspective on what's really going on. or from one side to the other, and therefore that is healthy. But if somebody's... Wanting to interrupt and bring an argument because they want to control that is so unhealthy and that's because they're having a conversation with the devil

We're going for a break and then... Yes, we're going to take a short break, guys. Some people are liking this. Yes, there's a lot of people here. We want to say hi to Omar. Omar said, this is really helping me. We had Amanda Chris. Hi, Amanda Chris. I think, yeah, we said hello to you, but hi again. Yeah, everyone is just...

I think William Leda was on there too. Yes, William, that's who it was. William was there as well. Yes, we saw William. So we're going to go for a short break, but you guys can ask, start getting your questions ready. And you can start posting them, and I'll try to keep a log of all of them. And we'll go for a short break. You guys can talk a little bit more. I'm just going to step out for two seconds. We'll interrupt the break. Yes, and I'll come back.

I think what might be effective is if we go through different scenarios of how interrupting argument can be applied. on a receiving end and on a giving end we always put on one the same level always say yeah well this is what it's all about There's so much creativity in conversation with the Holy Spirit that, Nate, that you never would want to put it on the same level. Yeah, and Pastor, you just hit something on that.

you know, again, that I just learned about because I think we think conversation is like, it's like a, let me say this right, I want to pronounce it right, linear, yeah, linear plane, but it's actually, it's a circle.

conversation and it keeps repeating you know we go through because there's many different types of conversation and communication and i wish i had a graphic from john like you know you'll go on that journey of self-awareness then self-awareness will lead into confidence and confidence will lead into standing up for yourself and standing up for yourself will lead into boldness and boldness will lead into being your true self and but then you you still have to come back to that that

self-awareness will always come back to because it turned out the level exactly but self-awareness comes back to okay i'm aware of myself in this perspective of who i am and my fortitude of my personality but self-awareness also has to come back to self-inspection and self-investigation not via yourself but via the holy spirit like i said people that are willing to ask themselves could i be wrong in this live it's not even wrong three times longer

Could I learn something more? Could I learn something new? Is there something that I'm not seeing?

i think some people go into conversation like with a plan like i have to get my point across otherwise this person is not listening to me or my opinion is not being taken fully and so they don't go in expecting and interrupting um conversation because it's like too late everybody planned in their head no you're going to listen to me and get what i'm saying otherwise i don't need to listen to you and that can be a very scary position for that person

that they're not even ready to hear that that different um opinion someone asked here um i think it's a good question we'll address it now what do we do if it's hard to share the interrupting argument What do we do when we are faced with a conversation of bullying? And I want to answer the first part, and I know Pastor's going to say, the key to this thing is, and what I was told is, see, straight away, we want to kind of turn on the...

what's being done towards me. But you will learn about communication more effectively when you apply it first to yourself. So if you're going to say, what do I do to stop a conversational bully? The first thing you have to say is, am I a conversational bully? Yep. Do I really listen? Because if someone is saying that they have to bully you to get you to listen, there's a reason why they feel that way.

let let me come in yeah you said that now i'm going to come from another angle you see i'm going to come from the angle that what do we do That question again, let's look at it. Yeah, what do you do when faced with a conversational bully and trying to bring that interrupting argument? The interrupting argument and not to be called a conversational bully. Okay, they're two different things, by the way. Don't bring them together.

Two different things. I used that, but they are two different things. And you will always know someone who is a conversational bully because they want blood.

Now, the other question is... Wait, wait, let that land. What do you mean by that? It means they won't be happy until they tear you apart. They gain... pleasure in seeing you stripped stripped totally yeah and it's not just having an argument meaning character it's like by the time you come out of that conversation You're so deflated, you can't even sometimes get yourself up off the floor.

That's a conversational bully. But I wanted to talk to you about the other part of it. So go back to it again, Pastor, and tell me. Yeah, what do you do when I'm trying to bring an argument, interrupting argument? um share it and what do you do when faced with a conversational bully so we're making it two different we've done we've done the conversational bully but it comes down to the other part of that question is Listen first. And then when they're finished, then speak. And why do I say that?

I say it because they can't accuse you of not listening. That is the most wisest statement that's in the Bible. The purpose of listening is to take away accusation.

And that's the interruptible argument from the enemy. That is so true. That's the interruptible argument from the enemy. In the moment of offense, all Satan's whispering in your ear is, they're not listening to me. Accusation. They're not listening to me. They're not listening to me. They're not interested in what I have to think. Yeah. Accusation. The whole idea, and we can't even see how important it really is that if you listen...

then they can't accuse. So when the Bible says be a good listener, it stops accusation. And the science from interruptible argument, we didn't share this at the start, but... What it is is your brain has developed pathways with things that are called neurons. They're protein. It's literally protein synthesis. And when you think in a certain way, it joins those...

you know, neurons together and it forms like a pathway of traffic. It's like a highway. I've taught this so many times. But what interrupting argument does is if you're thinking in a negative way or if you're thinking in a way that is contrary to life... Like in a counsellor-counselee relationship, in the contract, you know, the counsellor will state, if I disagree with you for your benefit, since you're paying me to help you feel and think better.

I have to be able to interrupt you and bring an adjustment to what you're thinking. I have to be able to say, no, it's time to let go of that pain. You're holding on to it. No, you're regressing. We're going back to oversharing. Without you... getting personally offended and shutting down and closing up and stiffening up in your heart.

So it's really important because the interrupting argument, what it does is when delivered with the right emotion, here's the key. When delivered with the right emotion, because it takes a motion to elevate it to that point. Because when you're in a state of wrong thinking, your emotion is at a certain level. So if I try to interrupt you with, you know, passivity, I think that's the word, it won't interrupt.

This is why people that are compromisers and people that have that spirit of Eli, you know, let anything go, their emotion doesn't come up to meet your emotional level. It will never interrupt anything.

But that's why the Lord said, like with Phineas, when he took that spear and he went into the temple of the person sleeping with, you know, a Moabite in the presence of the camp, he literally was... engaging in interruptible argument physically he elevated his emotion to a place that was higher than the emotion of the argument at the time and it interrupted something

So what an interruptible argument is, is when your emotion is at a certain level with your thinking, I raise my emotion to that level or beyond, and I say, I'm sorry, but I have to bring an adjustment to what you're thinking. Because what you're thinking is not correct. Or I disagree with what you're thinking. But you listen. But you listen first. This is the key. And then there is no argument and no accusation.

And then you say, now I've listened to you. You need to hear and listen to my point now. See? Now, a conversational bully... won't listen but they will immediately turn around and like i told you before go for blood they'll strip you and it they'll just attack attack and And they'll be overbearing and they will, oh my, have you ever been with someone who just doesn't stop talking? about what they believe is going on and it continues and continues and continues and then you run

You start to get shortness of breath and you start to feel deflated and they're just overpowering you. It's like you're being emotionally raped. every single time you get into that conversation. And it's important because, you know, what Pastor said is very important there because with that conversation of bully...

Like, guys, we've got to take perspective and, like, stop here. Everyone needs to be on that journey of self-assessment with the Holy Spirit. When you have conversation, you need to ask yourself, how much percentage of the time are you wrong? Because that's going to give you a good gauge of whether or not you are a very narrow-minded person or a very open to correction, open to life, open to understanding. Because when you listen and you...

Talk second. The Bible says that when you listen, then you gain understanding. You won't gain understanding if you're doing all the talking. And a conversational bully is literally doing all the talking all the time. All the action. And can take one situation that you're sharing about your heart and... maneuver it back to themself and that so that's really really and you know something that is like very very outstanding with those people because they're doing all the talking all the time

They're not listening. They're more interested in what they feel. And like Pastor said, they won't stop like a shark until they get blood. Right. But... But what reminds me of that in the Bible are the priests and the scribes. They bullied and they... took the whole conversation. They overpowered. But you've got to see what Jesus did. He said nothing. until he got the okay from the Lord to speak. And then what he said was enough. Four, five words. Now, that was it.

That's all that needed to be said. When you have this interruptible argument, it's not that you're going to go on a tangent and have this big conversation. You might say four words. I see it different. Go and sin no more. You know what? Oh, I'm sorry. Look. Okay, go and sin no more or to a non-believer, I don't see it like you. And that's okay. And that's okay. But I don't see it like you. Go ahead. Finish your comment because I had a question.

Yeah, I was just going to say, it's like who, when you're having these conversations, it's like you need to know. Who is it that really wants you to talk in this moment? Is it you that really wants to talk? Or is it the Holy Spirit that wants you to talk in this moment? So it does give you the patience and the trust in the Lord that if that comment or that...

that moment if if your heart is for the other person to receive what you're saying you won't shove it down their throat you'll wait until the holy spirit gives you that chance to your delivery will always receive it or they will push it away but that's between The Lord and them, that's not between you and them trying to get it across. You have to wait and have that patience with you. And you said something very important then. We need to be asking, should I be speaking right now?

This is what I said. Right. That's what Jesus did. He never, ever... Now, we're talking about Jesus here. He never just... gave them a minute to speak a couple of sentences and then he came back with it and combated what they said no he let them have the full floor he let them have the whole conversation and then the lord said let them talk you know and he let them talk and then when they finished he said three or four words i'm about my father's business right

What a conversation, you know. What are you doing? Well, even his mother and his stepfather. Don't you know we were waiting for you? What have you been doing? You know, we've been waiting here and we've been waiting for a long time. And what have you been doing all this time? And when they'd finished, he said, wouldn't you know I'd be about my father's business? Suddenly they remembered who his father was.

Yes, two things here. One of them I forgot. One is the... Oh, for someone that's thinking... in the practical sense just to clarify this yes the timing one there was a timing question which you guys just touched on but we'll elaborate a little bit later um but there If one is not as vocal during an uninterruptible argument, but their response is still...

like I'm right in this is that still something that needs to be addressed as well because I'm thinking about the conversational bully I know we talked about at the end of the day in your heart do you always feel like you're you're right and that's something

On the outside, for instance, if I'm talking to someone like that, I can't judge that. But for someone who says, well, I'm not vocal, so I'm not always right, but their response is always gearing to that. Is that still... applicable to say you know that person again goes back to judgment that person has made a judgment about their personality void of the holy spirit they haven't learned if they're not vocal yeah They've only accepted the fact that that's what they feel in most of the moments.

I'm going to answer a question because there's some questions coming up. So would you say there is a timing for when you bring an interruptible argument in a friendship? With an unbeliever. Well, with an unbeliever, it's a little different because you have to wait for a leading in that. Definitely. right and the leading is going to be something very simple it's not going to be you sorting them out showing them but bringing a perspective that says you know what we see

I see that building differently than you do. You know? I see it differently than you do. You focused on one thing. I'm focusing on something different. Neither of us are wrong, but which is the more effective thing? Allowing us to see this perspective. Our perspective. And with an unbeliever... And that's healthy because now we've got two worldviews coming in to the conversation. With an unbeliever, it's important. This more relates to like...

like conversational things, like, you know, relational things. We're not talking about life stance and things that are solidified. I can't say to you, oh well, you know, your perspective is to just go around and sleep with everybody. My perspective's not.

No, that's the word of God. That's truth. That's totally. And truth doesn't have perspective. Truth is truth. Truth is truth. You know, truth is truth. You don't get to pick a perspective of truth that you want to agree with. You either agree with all the truth or it's not truth. Bible so you don't have to play that one. Let me say that please. You either agree with all of truth or it's not truth. Right. Because truth is a person.

And when you agree with a perspective of truth, you pick the parts of the person that you want to have fellowship with. That's right. Well, I like the arm, so I'll take the arm, but I won't take the head. And that's Jesus' truth. So this is important. We're not talking about that kind of stuff. We're talking about more relational dynamics and communication, different opinions, different ways. I'm always going to be... at heads with the world because their perspective is generated from a source.

That is not my source. So even eating food is going to come from a different perspective. I'm going to eat food from a place of faith and thankfulness and knowing that the Holy Spirit has given me the ability to do it.

And that, you know, even just that, whereas someone in the world could just be eating for a different reason. Right. I want to answer this question. Hold on to what you're going to say. When people empty out everything... that they have to say first then there's more they're more able to receive new information uh that works but when they spill out and vomit out You know, you don't continue to let them vomit this stuff out. The leaking stuff, you have to bring a stop to that. That is different.

that is different i'm not talking about bringing an adjustment here yeah i am actually talking about bringing another view a world view to make the conversation healthy. And so, you know, if they keep spilling out... Usually what they end up doing is regurgitating it, spilling it again till they become so tired they don't even want to talk about it anymore. So that's not healthy to get into a situation.

You have to wait to the leading of the Lord who would turn around and say, now is what I want you to say. So you wait upon having the conversation with the Holy Spirit and stop having the conversation with the devil. Yeah, that's it. You've got two people having the conversation with the devil. My God, do you expect that to go somewhere? It's not. And leaking is a result of not filtering with the Holy Spirit. Through the process you build up and then what starts to build up starts to leak out

And we've confused that with people sharing their hearts or, you know. No, sharing your heart is different from leaking and word vomiting, you know, because sharing your heart is a two-person thing. It's not just sit down, shut up and listen to what I've got to say and how I feel. You know? Again, I was saying, we're very aware when it comes to our self-expression, when it comes to us self-expressing.

but we're not as aware when it comes to others self-expressing so the first thing that you do when you listen to this portal is your logic and your rationality say oh my god that's what people have been doing to me yes yes you should be hearing by the rest But what have I been doing to them? What have I been doing to people? That is the change of thought that has to come. Oh, my God, I've been interrupted so much. No, no, no.

How many times have you interrupted? Have I brought interruptible argument in a good way? How many times have I brought interruptible argument in a bad way? You know, that's what the Holy Spirit's requiring of us in this portal because our rationality says, oh. This is what, yes, it's clicked. This is what's being done to me. Now I have the answer. Life is, you will live life a lot longer.

when you first self-assess. Yeah, we said that. That is the key. And it's important that we do this because we will think that other people are doing it to us.

god wants us to look at ourselves are we doing it to others are we doing it to others and that's the definition of religion religion is applying a standard to others that you won't apply to oh my god you know it is that's the definition of religion i want you to live up to a standard yeah but i'm not ready to live up to it myself and it reminds me of the parable

where Pastor brought this out recently, the servant that was forgiven of much, went out and said, you owe me. You know, like, okay, you might be in an engagement with a conversational bully. but you have to self-assess and go take stock with the holy spirit have you bullied people in conversation have you given them a chance to share their perspective one of the biggest things that god's trying to get across

with these different perspectives, you know, worldview, different perspective is this. Listen first. then you mightn't say half the things you think you were going to say. That cuts the conversation to go straight in to the bullseye, right? Now... How many times have you been in a conversation? I make listening such an important thing in my life. I'm a witness. I listen to people.

I have ways of dealing with people repetitively bringing things out. I call on the Holy Spirit. But the other thing is... have you ever been in a conversation where someone keeps cutting in and they won't listen and we get upset about that and then we think well Do I do that? Do I do that? If I do, I need to stop doing it because I know how it feels.

It's so true, Pastor. It's so true. They listened to Jesus. And when they listened to him, they heard everything. And here's the key. They heard everything. everything that he was telling them. Here's the new thing I want you to hear. I want you to hear this. It's great responsibility. When you hear everything, Jesus wants you to hear, you are now responsible.

And accountable. You can't stand before the Father and say, I didn't know. No. You're accountable. And that is the key. When you listen...

you become responsible for the information that's shared. That's right. And you can take that information and do with it, like the good servant, bring an interest on what you've been given. Or... like the bad servant you can bury it in the ground and judge the person's motive and say well i knew you're hard anyway so i'm not going to work on anything relationally with you because this is who you are i've made a judgment

And again, I want to go back to the moment you make the judgment, you turn a moment of pain into a moment of suffering. And that's important because if you go back to your most painful moments in life. If God had been able to interrupt the judgment that you put on the situation, healing would have occurred a lot quicker. But judgment is what made that situation become a moment of suffering.

and not a moment of pain and he wasn't able to say child here's my interruptible argument here's my emotion and we want to bring it that way and we're bringing it several different ways because there's a lot of people out there that get really burdened by the fact that they don't have the same perspective. And I don't mean they're rebelling. They just see the building from a different place. I used that testimony in the beginning to show someone who was extreme in their belief system.

was searching out to understand the Bible, but turned around and said, you're all hypocrites, you know, you really contradict yourself. But once you showed him, hey, there's another view here. I'm going to give you a worldview. Four of us are going to give you a worldview here. And you know what? There were four men.

that gave that four worldviews you know matthew mark luke and john and therefore no one contradicted anyone what we saw we tell you to be the truth but now if you look you can see what we saw not just what you saw

but what we saw. So in the end, you get four views of it, four perspectives of it, and you get the bigger picture. And Pastor, the apostolic view of this is... i have to bring this in because this is what my professor said he said the idea is to find the way that you communicate discover that find whether you're a d whether you're an s right find whether you are someone that doesn't agree with someone like

very quickly and then embrace it for a season but the idea is to not continue living your life looking at the building from the same perspective. No, you've got to take on the four of them. Because until you take on all four, until you see, okay, you've been focusing on the windows, but until you see the body and the structure...

and then you see the symmetry or until you see some see the doors, you won't get the full picture or the big windows or whatever that kind of example. That brings in a lot of light. You won't get the full... weight and picture of what that building looks like. And if you're talking to a man, he's going to give you a different perspective of that building because he's going to see it.

like a man does in the eyes of a man. When you're talking to a woman, she is going to see a whole lot different. She's going to see such things like, wow. Be a lot of cleaning with those windows. That's the practical side. Do you understand? I see it, but wow, look at these windows. I wouldn't want to be the one to clean all these windows. Or she could be the one that would say...

Wow, I'd have a great time decorating all those windows. Do you get what I'm saying? Yeah. There is value in someone's perspective. There is great value in it. It grows you inside. It gets your mind ticking. It's healthy for you. You don't stagnate in your own. And if it's not... If you continue like that, you'll eventually become depressed. You will bring yourself to depression by believing only what you believe as your... You will keep yourself in depression.

You put yourself there and you'll keep yourself there. This is it. Depression is a result of no re-socialization. That's right. And that means you are left with you. And you alone. And the enemy has been able to separate you in three areas. He cuts you off from interruptible argument, different perspective from God first. Then he cuts you off from different argument, different perspective from people.

Then the real, real pit is he cuts you off from different perspective and argument from yourself. That's right. Because now there's only one voice that you tune to and that's his. And you can't say, hang on. That's not me.

When you are left with your own thoughts, there is no re-socialization, meaning you need people to keep you healthy. That's it. People keep you healthy. They keep you mentally sane. Yeah. If you don't have interrupted... argument from people around you saying I see life differently thank you very much I appreciate and you can say I appreciate your perspective but here is my perspective and I see it differently we're not going to agree

But we can still be in love. We don't have to be offended. We can still say, I don't agree with what you're saying. And if I need to agree, the Lord will have to show me. And he can also say, not just agree. Look, have a look at the way I see it. This is it. Let's have a look. I've looked at the way you've seen it. Have a look at the way I see this building.

And I think that's the key. Someone has asked here any ways of like practically communicating this. Words like, you know, okay, thank you for sharing your worldview with me. Now here's my worldview. Things like that can be. incorporated practically into conversation but just like again the challenge is okay if I'm ready to say I'll put it this way

The amount of times that you're ready to defend your worldview will be the amount of times that you need to be ready to expand it. Yes, because that means you're becoming... Very, very narrow-minded and you're becoming very single-minded. So that is a really good barometer. Like if you're defending your worldview 30 times during the day and you're only expanding it twice.

not healthy it's not a healthy ratio so the lord says right i give you the choice and the right as a human being to say right that's my worldview but i also require you to surrender it and say, can this worldview be expanded? Like if God didn't expand your worldview about the cross, you would never have accepted it. And let me come out with that. Now, when you first... come to christ you come to christ and he gives you a world view of what the cross means right now you don't fully understand

But you know something's happened, but you don't know the significance of it. So as you open yourself up more to the leading of the spirit, he... what I call the second work of grace takes place. What does that mean? That means God begins to show you by the Holy Spirit, which is God the Spirit. he begins to show you what that cross really means to you, what Jesus really did, that life that was given for you. And then...

As you go along the journey, your perspective of the cross begins to open every time a grace work happens. Every time. But when you first come to Christ, you know you accept it, you believe it, but you don't understand it. It's not until you move on does understanding come. And here's the work of the enemy, even as a believer, Shania. He wants you to stay at that level, in that world view.

He doesn't want you to expand it. He doesn't want you to reach the depths of God's love. Understand the different shades, the different sounds, tonalities, because that's what religion does. It says, this is God. It can go no further. This is the house in which he must be living in and we can't expand that house. And that's what we have seen the love of God as. We've seen it as one worldview.

But the whole journey of Christendom is the expansion of that worldview of his love. Every day he wants to expand and expand our capacity to understand how much he loves us. And that's an interruptible argument. So that's really what it is. When you are being expanded, there has to be an interruptible argument come in to the conversation. There has to be. You can't expand without it.

You have to be ready also to remember that you really think the Lord has given you all of the opinion, all of the right opinion, or has God given it to somebody else? You're not the only one in this high and mighty... you know level there are other people that have had life experiences in relationship with the lord that can add

to what you know or can give you which will lead to valuing people valuing for their actual life and not just for appreciating them for what they do for you this is where value and appreciation come in yeah when you learn to listen to people's stories, you learn to place value on what life has taught them. Exactly. And you don't just go, ah, thank you, I appreciate that, but I disagree.

Like, I learned to value Pastor Robin's life experience from learning and listening to what all that she's been through and come out, you know? Even another example, like... we have our you know collide team and i'm a pretty strong creative i'm pretty strong in my opinion of what i want to happen creatively on sundays with our worship but recently like i had brought a song to our band

And it was a song by a famous church. And we started learning it. And Shahana, who's, you know, the manager of our Collide team, she's been called by the Lord into that position. I respect her opinion so much. And I... don't ever want to get to the point where I don't allow interruptible argument from her because if I do that as an artist, it'll put me in a very narrow-minded position and place and my creativity will get stifled. Right. You know, because others contribute.

so i looked at shahana i looked at everyone on collide and i said guys what do you think about this and they were giving me their opinions which i appreciated but the lord in that moment wanted me to value what shahana was saying Because that was the opinion that was going to lock in my heart for me, right? God trust Shahana with this team.

yeah she's going to give me that interruptible argument that's going to let me know if i'm making a wise decision as the leader of this team so i turned to all the musicians i turned to all the singers and i said yep okay thank you i'll take that on board and i looked at shahana i said shahana what do you think

And the very thing that she said was what my heart was feeling. She said, no, this is not the right song for our church. We are not in this season. We have gone past this season. No other person said that. That's something I constantly really hear. But listen. We're going to be finishing because we've been going for two hours. We could have gone on and on and on. Can I interrupt the argument and there's still more? I've got to just say one more thing, and that is, but there is, look.

just so that we get our balance here interruptible arguments they are not not uh what's the right word not needed no they're not available to us to argue over who Jesus Christ is. We cannot. This is not even to be started in a conversation with someone. Because that's not a leading from the Holy Spirit for you to have to prove who Jesus is. That's not a leading. There should not be... an argument with that one, an interruptible argument of who Jesus Christ is and what he did.

and who God is and what he's doing and what is the Holy Spirit doing. That is something that's not even going to be negotiated with. That's out of the question, okay? And so therefore we're talking about a worldview that will bring more opening and understanding to your worldview. But a worldview is not. going to be about who Jesus Christ is. That's already established in our heart. We don't even enter a conversation like that. So remember that, guys. Very important.

Can I just say this to back that up? Lie has no substance. God does not interrupt truth to argue for a lie. No, you don't drop the mic and just say that, something like that. You've got to elaborate. Tell the people. In Kingdom Emotions, we taught that a lie cannot be measured. Darkness cannot be measured. Only life can. So he's not going to spend time proving...

A truth over something that does not exist in his mind. It's not negotiable, okay? A lie doesn't exist in his mind. We're not even negotiating over that. The truth is the truth. We don't negotiate the truth. It's the truth. And Jesus never invested time into arguing over lies. He only spoke the words that the father told him to speak and that was about truth. He never answered all their questions. Just like Pastor Robin, sometimes you'll ask her a question and she will literally not answer it.

Because God's not interested in answering the fluff. He's interested in answering the truth. It was when the Sadducees asked him and he said, like, whose wife will she be? Yeah, it's like, this is all fluff. It's got nothing to do with it. He's the father of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. It doesn't even... It's got nothing to do with your marriage situation. Not even going to bother even acknowledging that one. Oh, that's what I... There was a few James that hadn't...

and pot it in my spirit before we go. First of all, are you guys through your main points before we wrap up? I think the thing that I want to finish with is this. Value the perspective that God has given you.

but value the perspective of others. The amount of times that you are ready to defend your perspective will be the amount of times that you need to surrender it. I'm done. I'll just fill in the gaps, but if anything... comes up feel free to keep talking you can i'm interruptible dr robin and pastor nathan and pastor nally i just think um it'll make you a bigger person if you stop having this one world view

And you'll grow fast. You'll be in a place where you can be transformed into the image of Christ by the Holy Spirit. It won't be a hard work. The biggest... into hindrance to being transformed by the holy spirit into jesus is you have this one view If that don't cure a lot of things, I don't know what will. Go ahead. Yeah, I think the main thing that hit me more in this is that your interruptible arguments should always be focused.

for the sake of the other person in the conversation amen not for your own defense like you've seen before right well it's what you gain you gain You don't lose if you do it first, looking at yourself. If you look at yourself first, you're going to gain. Right. Because you should. want to involve somebody in a different perspective so that they gain, not that they lose. Yes.

That's where I was going next, but I wanted to make sure the meat of it is done. One thing, one interruptible argument that I believe... can help and heal people is that, like you said, embracing the differences. And that was an example you brought up that night, Dr. Robin, about being adaptable and how you could be adaptable. And you gave the example.

of when like there are times you are very detail oriented and there's times where passionate is coming to you about something and he's into the details and you're like go ahead go fine you do i trust you move on but then there's times that you're very involved in the details and you were showing a reference more as a woman In my home, I'm into details. I'm into details in certain things in the church. But when I'm in a field that I know nothing about...

I don't try to say I know. I want to be teachable and learn. Yes. Then maybe one day I'll be able to have another worldview. Right. And that's where I feel like... Some people have felt bad because they say if they didn't experience certain life experiences and they're ministering to people or people have made them feel like.

you know well you haven't gone through what i've gone through so you have nothing to say to me and i and i admit to once feeling like that where it's like well I couldn't be told anything because I'm like you don't know what I'm going through you don't know what that perspective is but I feel like this conversation will help heal that as someone mentioned in the comments as well it's like

Learning that that is a strength in you, whatever experience you have, good or sometimes not so great. The Lord has used that for a great strength. Yeah, I think we have to, again. part of my counselling, learning to break bad habits. This, well, I can't identify with you because, you know, I've never gone through that. That's a really, really bad habit. Jesus didn't have to go through some of the scenarios that our lives have gone through. Everyone goes through pain.

Everyone goes through pain. If I go through pain, it doesn't matter how pain manifests in your life, okay, it might hit certain different trigger points, but pain is pain. Suffering is suffering. Jesus didn't have to be molested to understand the pain of what someone who's molested has gone through. Because that kind of worldview says, until you've gone through what I've gone through, you can't be used as an instrument to heal me.

And it's a really bad worldview that we've taken on. We've said, oh, well, I haven't suffered that, so I can't help you. And we've used it as an excuse to not get involved. And we've let other people use it as an excuse to keep us out. But... I've said a statement like that recently, but in what I said was not, I can't help you. My words were... I don't understand what you're going through. And, you know, admitting that...

but I certainly will be praying about that. I certainly will take this on as a burden. Then the other part of that statement was, but Lord, if you know someone that can help. and that is closer, please bring them. See, it's not like saying, well, because I don't. I've never been through it, therefore I can't understand or can't help you. That's not true. The word understand, I don't understand the full pain you're going through.

is where it is it's not i've got to understand by going through it myself and then i'll feel it no that is not the case at all but I can look at it and say, well, I don't understand the pain. But what I do know is that I'll be praying that someone closer... can get to you. Do you understand what I'm saying? And Pastor, what I want to add here, where the interruptible argument is so important here, in the level of emotional healing, is again, Jesus didn't have to go through it.

What he felt was compassion for the person. Not compassion for their circumstance. And this is really important. Because we mistake compassion for the circumstance. That's why we find it sometimes really easy to have compassion for people that have gone through a lot of hard things in life.

but we find it very hard to have compassion on someone that's just suffering from something that we consider, you know, minuscule, you know? And again, this is important. If I only cling to people that have gone through what I've gone through. I don't have interruptible argument.

I need somebody that hasn't gone through it because they bring a perspective of healing that someone else can never bring. That's perspective to fight. That perspective to not blame yourself. Because if I only assimilate with someone that can... gone through what I've gone through, say in the case of being abused, that person will always bring...

But Pastor, we'll both end up depressed. There it is. We'll both end up in the... And who do abused people go to to get counselling? People that have not gone through what they've gone through. Yeah, but... You know, because, you know, if they went through and they went to see people that are depressed, they'll stay depressed. And the people will stay depressed. And so the cycle will never be broken.

And so this is another worldview that needs to change in the church. Go to someone who can help you. Don't go to someone just to listen and to tickle your... Next scenario. When your strength becomes a weakness, you were saying we can't stay looking at the building the same way. for too long because then it's a weakness. Dr. Robin, you hadn't said that.

you gave an example of someone who is i can't remember the exact word you use so forgive me for this but it was something along the lines that someone who's strong that can that's a strength but it could become a weakness because that strength becomes like they start cutting people or being short it was something along that lines i don't know if you remember what you said directly i'll give it um someone that's passive

we were talking about passivity right and someone that's very quiet spoken according to them someone that's passive in order for them to get confrontational the only way that they do that is through the emotion of anger So what they do is they learn to read the world that, like everyone knows, Dr. Robin is a prophet of power and confrontation and truth as well as grace and hope. And we need that. And, like, I... This is the scenario of interruptible argument. I have been, as her son...

In the past, I've judged her because I'm not as confrontational. I want to be more confrontational. Some people probably believe I'm really confrontational. But I want to be confrontational with effectiveness like her. Get to the heart of the truth straight away. Get beyond the waffle. Now, because in my past personality expression, I've been more passive, and I would only get confrontational through anger, every time she's become confrontational, I read it as she's angry.

Because we read people the way that we are. But it's just her personality. She can be confrontational without being angry. She can look you right in the face and tell you you're off. And not have a smidgen of anger behind her. And really important. So adaptability. So as I'm watching her, I want to adapt to that personality expression. I want to move out of, hang on, this is a worldview I need to take on.

I need to become more confrontational without anger and more confrontational with truth. And then realize that you don't have to be angry to be confrontational. You have to be straight and bold, but it doesn't require anger. Yeah. That's something I'm watching her. And as I'm listening, I'm getting insight to why the strength is there when she confronts. Because she knows that she's backed by the Lord. Yeah.

My fear of confronting is because I don't know if I'm not backed by the Lord. So I use anger as the mask. Yeah, that's interesting. Because then you don't, you see. Why bother to take it inward? I'm going to be having to take inward everything. Because in a leadership role, people find it so easy to hurt. You know? I mean... Because, you know, they feel it's their job to strip you down, you know what I mean? To keep you humble. I don't take any of that on. I let God take it on.

I let the Lord deal with it. Another example just for the creative, this is how it works. When we're leading Collide and when we do rehearsals, I'm the leader. I'll have the final say. God always requires me to have the final say. There are some things that I'm not, like I'm fully trained, went to Juilliard, been in the music industry. But there are some things that I am not confident that I know what I'm doing fully in. And I'm okay to admit that.

So my interruption of argument and thought comes with, if someone has an idea, I always want to hear that idea first. I'll say, all right, well, let's try it that way, and then let's try it this way.

You know, that's just something practical. I don't go, no, don't like that. No, we're not doing that. I'll go, right, can we hear what you have? And then we'll do it that way. And I'll go, okay, I heard it that way. And then I'll go, right, how do you want to do it? And then I'll hear it that way. Or I think...

You know, can we do it something different? I think you take after me a multitude of counsellors. It's so true. And then the Lord requires me, no, Nathan, I want you to have the final say. And I'll say, okay, well, we did it that way and we did it that way, but this is the way I like. So this is the way we're going. And that's a multitude of counselors. You get advice. I'm always asking the Lord, show me where I don't know. I lead that way.

i lead that way and when i have to make the final decision i know it's my responsibility but i'll lead that way i want to go to get all my leadership to give me there their wisdom and then i'll say okay i've got it all now now i'll take it back to the lord and i'll make that decision yeah even the lord has seven spirits not just one that he always uses to rely on the other

So that's something practical. You can say, okay, can I understand there might be a better way to do things? Let me hear your way. Let me hear your way of thinking right now in this situation. Oh, you want to show me a better way to wash the dishes? Okay.

I'm just being practical, right? Right. Yeah, there's a better way of washing the dishes. Okay. A more effective way of cleaning my house. Don't take it personal. Get a different worldview. Open your mind to new information. You'll be blessed in the end. I think so. I think so. And it pulls you out of the rut. And if you're in depression... Guess what? By seeing something from a different perspective, you actually see some hope in it. Are we finished?

You want to be? I think we've been going. We've been giving them quite a bit. Quite a bit to think about. Yeah, it's fine. Well, guys, what do you think? Yeah, send Dr. Robin your hearts, please. I'm just looking to see if there was any more questions. Any more questions, feel free to put them in the comments, and we'll go from there. There was one...

Someone said, I know the cleaning one, Pastor Nate. On mission trips, Pastor Robin is like... the queen of teaching you how to clean with more effectiveness when you live with her and she'll come in and she'll go no no no no you're not doing it right like let me show you on a mission trip where we need to be grateful someone's given up their house

We need to clean it. Make sure we keep it the way God wants us to. There's always more effective ways of doing something. It is. Always more effective ways. Boy, those opinions that be going through my mind sometimes about these more effective ways. Not your cleaning, Dr. Robin, please.

not your cleaning i'm saying like in general like when i'm shown something else i'll be like wow that seems harder or wow you know what i mean it's like but it's not like you said this is she has been one way to do with cleaning and a certain thing for many years. And because she's allowed Pastor Robin to interrupt her and show her a better way, she gets compliments on her attention to detail at work with other people.

I mean, Danielle, who used to work for us in the download at NLG, she had one way of doing publishing and she sat with Dr. Robin for years and was interrupted with different ways. And her college said, the training you've got is... you know par to none we can't teach you anything you already know it all your attention to detail is so good

that she got high recommendations right so the more adaptability you take on and the more interrupting argument you allow in your life the more you will be blessed right and that's what i was about the that's what i was going to say earlier he just reminded me of that like your mind always go to the negative of that. It was like, oh, well, that's controlling. Oh, I already, you know, where it's like, no, you learn more detail or you learn more this. And I must say, I witness to that because.

cleaning under you, Dr. Robin, I have learned a lot of detail. It's true. But it's like... Anyway, I'm not going to flatter. I ain't going to flatter, but I'm going to tell you about it after this show. It does. It does. We have Christina helping with Ezekiel. I cannot do shh. what she can do i mean i just go so far with zeke and then i get you know quite frustrated because he won't do what he was told to do you see she sits down there

takes no notice of his nose and just says yes. And she overtakes his nose, you know, with yeses. And the result of that is far. It's unbelievably fast. And so, again, I realise, hang on a minute, this is something... I can't do. I'm only too willing to work and get another idea, another perspective, another worldview. I want to be healthy in this. I don't want to be frustrated.

with my grandson, because in my thinking, in my day, I would have said, that's disobedient, that's naughty, we need to deal with that. We're dealing with different situations and we need to have not, you know, just this narrow-mindedness about... what a worldview is. Your worldview is very, very narrow-minded if you only listen to yourself.

I'm finished. Good luck. Zeke's worldview is one that is completely different to our worldview. Dr. Robin's trying to lead the building. She is finished, she said, so we're going to give it a round of applause. Hallelujah. Jesus is king. Here's an assignment. I like to give assignments, practical change assignments to finish this off. This week, as you go into your week, ask how many times can you be interrupted with your arguments about God?

people, and yourself. Let's see how that challenge go. Okay, time to go home. Bye-bye now. Bye, we're going home. We haven't seen our home for a few days. They said, can your sleep be interrupted? Yes. Yes. Oh, it's too much. All right. We interrupted his argument too much at once. Oh, wow. You're not used to poor Jose. Wow. Yeah. A book of catheters. A type of catheters book. I'm gonna be interrupted. everybody love you photos is back photos is black back