Screen Time: Brave New World

to hear our myriad issues with that as well. It doesn't lend itself very well to adaptation, which is why when I finished reading it, I was like, what they made this into a show, And it turns out they didn't. So Welcome back to Popcorn Book Club. I'm Danis Schwartz, joined as always by Jennifer Wright, Tan Tran, Melissa Hunter, and caramadan Qua, and today we are back on screen time the name for the segment that I have unilaterally

decided to move forward of it? You did. I just made this decisions for the moment with such confidence that we all were like, yes that is the name. Yeah, you said it with such confidence that it made me feel like I did vote for it. Yes you did. You just all forgot. I just assumed that I missed. I thought it like Mr. I Heart Radio told us it had to be called that. I am Mr Karama. His name is I Heart Radio, Ivan Heart Radio. It's

like a haunted mansion to Stone. So we are back on the segment that Mr. The president of I Heart Radio told us had to be called screen time talking about Brave New World. The I want to say adaptation, but not even really adaptations. It a title and very little and some characters people keep making fun of Bernards like c W West World. I maybe say that is such a yeah, have we said the name yet? It's

Brave New World on NBC's streaming series Peacock. Again a very loose adaptation, and that they picked a few elements that I think they liked. But before we dive in, because I think we're gonna have a lot to say, Jennifer, you're you're a defender of the show, and so I want to start with you on just in your own words, what you think the show is about and what you

enjoy about it. Okay, So first of all, um, not that you need a defense for enjoying anything, because we would never be afraid to like things that we'd like. But um, A note is that I watched the first i'm gonna say four episodes of this after having a very minor operation and I was on painkillers. So I have a sense that henced my my enjoyment of at least the first portion of the show, because I did notice a guarantee reason quality. I was no longer on

thank killer. But I just thought, like, I guess it really ran out of ideas, like two and a half hours. It might have been something else. I mean, I kind of thought it came together towards the end. I think because I let go of all of my expectations, I was gonna say, did we watch the same show? Because it did not come together. It came together kind of the same way that when a kid makes you a little mudpie and then here you go, it's like together

only for a second, crumbling watch the entire show. No I didn't. I did, Karama did see And how far could you get? I only got I only got three episodes in when he just starts, he just got back, or John just is in the room. That's very freaking out, like I can't can you put in? You put in exactly? This is this brings up one of my gripes. So you got a third of the way through. Because the series is nine episodes, which is not a thing that

I've ever heard of anyone ever doing. And I'm all for the fact that we now have this streaming ability which makes it so that we don't need to follow the conventions of network television. And I think that's great, and I think innovation is cool. But because the show was also not great, I don't know why they didn't do more or less episodes. I don't know what it

would have benefited from one more or one few. The more I think in terms of episodes, it's kind of my rule about movies that no movie should be over two hours unless it's very very good. If it's very very, very very good, I don't care how long it is. But if some movie is like a B plus and it's two hours and one minute, I'm like, what's happening? Why are generate? I feel like a minus? Get that ship out of here. And I think it's the same

with episodes. It's like, if it's going to be more than eight these days, you got to prove your ninth, you know, prove your ninth. Nine. We listen, that's the name of your TV writing school. Prove your ninth, your nine seminar no sense to like half of the whatever. Yeah, it'll make sense on the ninth class. Yes, it's intriguing. You have to have a title that makes you want to ask questions and and find out more. Well the well the classes eight sessions, and then you have to

pay for the nights. So I'm proving my ninth. You know, I type the class. So let's talk about the similarities with the book. First, I got that there's a character named Bernard. It's Bernard, It's Bernard. There's a people say they're British. That's a British people. Really, okay. I was just like, this is a fun one. Actually did not like the fact that John kept saying Bernard when everybody else is saying Bernard, And I'm like, you can say Bernard. Like if that part I would say weird, I would

feel weird saying Bernard to a British person. I have an uncle Bernard who's American, and we've just always called him Bernard because that's I like that. Yeah, that's better, it's objectively better. I just thought this an American. I was forced to always say Bernard Bernard. That was like the British one pounce their name in a different way. Probably just go with that. I just keep thinking of him as Bernard because I read it that way. Yeah,

me too. Yeah. Well, the fun fact I learned about the actor playing Bernard is that he's Charles Dickens, like great great great grandson, which is just one he does. I don't look like he's Else Dickens, great great great pants and totally. I also just want to point out that Charles Dickens tried to get his wife institutionalize so he could run off with a teenage mistress. And I've

never forgiven him for that. She was she was an actress, She was very very young, and his wife had something like nine children, might have been six sowhere in that six to nine range of children. Yeah, and then he tried to get her institutionalized, and that's a horrible, horrible thing to do. Well, one of those six to nine babies had some more babies, and one of them became an actor. Who is good. He was great, She did a good job. Everybody. I think everybody did a very

nice job. I thought the costumes were delightful. The Weasley man that you that is your type, okay, because I was like John is also We's John is not my type. Though I don't like like cowboys. I don't think he might like a cowboy. I don't think he as a cowboy. My my theory about Aldan Aarnich, who is uh the actor who played John John in this series um is that everything about him to me reads as a British actor playing American even though he's like born in l A. H.

I don't know why. He just seems very like he's a British guy, like doing that American accent that's very like we have to go, we have to go to get us. Like he British, he is a person who grew up in l a and went to theater school and college. He just seems like exactly that, like an l A kid who took some like voice classes, non singing voice voice actor he did like Alexander method, and now he's like very into his front palette. Honestly, I

like him. I think it's kind of a bummer that he's gotten these high level roles that people don't turn out to like. Like Solo he played, I liked it too. I thought it was like a super fun movie, but super intense fans did not like it. And it's really I liked this record. Yeah, I'm saying I really like him In Hail Caesar. I think that's a really good movie. That movie that had like George Clooney and a bunch

of white people. It was like all white people. All white people didn't it's yeah, it's all white, but everyone is good in it. As a white person. He's he's everyone is great. I like all the actors for the most part. I thought everyone was like very compelling, interesting to watch. Love Sybil from down Down Nabby. I like didn't recognize her at first, and then I was like, who is this stunning woman? I recognize it as like wait, could it be it is? I'm so excited and like

she's great. She is not usually in starring roles, so I think that it's nice to have her in this starring role. I think that it's very well acted. I think that the set, dressing and the special effects. There's a lot that's good about the show. It's just that the show wasn't like there are many good elements, but

it is not greater than the sum. It's not like so in writing, you have something learned Like TV writing, you have something called like a sandbox, right, Melissa, this is this isn't earned the dime freeby is all right? So this is like in the beginning of writing, writer's rooms usually like here's our sandbox of ideas and we're

just gonna like throw it all out. I'm sure it's a term borrowed from business that I don't know about, but you just throw writers throw out all the ideas possible and then you kind of skimmed through see which ones you like. It feels like they just are like, well, we have the sandbox, let's dump it all into the show. Well. I think part of the problem for me is, um,

it's not a very action packed book. Like there's there's a lot of great emotional up people, but if you had to come up with any kind of like real action, it's not really there. And they clearly want us to be an action packed show. So instead of just getting found by people from New London and vacating with his mother, um, yeah, they have to escape the reservation and break their way through a smirkling magnetic field that myous, yeah, and then she gets shot in the process, and then They're gonna

kill all of the people from New London. They're like, none of that happens in the book. It's like, as I understand it, it's like a minor bureaucratic discussion that does not lead to any car chases and clearly is mostly quiet philosophical discussions. It. Yeah, they could have gone that. It could have been how Normal People. I remember thinking like, how is normal People are going to be adapted into a show? It's so internal and like, oh they did that.

They did that very successfully on screen. I think that Normal People also is about two people, and that's the thing. We get to see those two people interact, and I feel like we talked in our episode on the book

Brave New World. There is not a protagonist, so it's not It doesn't lend itself very well to adaptation, which is why when I finished reading it, I was like, what they made this into a show, And it turns out they didn't, so you know, Like I mean, it focuses so much on the monogamy aspect and the next aspect of it that is not that prevalent in the book in the way that I was like, this is such a like made for TV thing. That they're trying to do, like opening with her talking about monogamy and

like having those like three rules. At the very beginning, I was like, oh god, this is going to be all about sex, isn't it? And then when the orgies can we talk? I only saw one or I need to I need to say a story about watching the orgy.

So I thought it was going to be a personal orgy. Sorry, but I live in a small apartment with my fiance and we have this little device on our TV that you can um you can listen to like bluetooth it because we don't have like an update TV whatever, So I will listen to TV on our headphones a lot of time to when the other one isn't watching. I was watching it the other day during the day and he was where he was working, and he was just like, what are you what? Like he literally turned up right

when the orgy had started. I'm like, it's not it's it's a classic literature pod, just like I was watching porn in the afternoon on a Monday. I want to say the record, I think that the problem with this adaptation isn't that they added action, which is fine to me. I thought they made the costumes boring and like they decided that, like, oh, the aesthetic is just boring. Futures that coast or cost that store case which I had never heard of before you sent something about it. The

group that is where they shopped. It's like boxy neutral colors, uh like very clean. They have like beautiful indescent panel costume. But I wanted like like kicky little green outfits with like little belts, and they described all these like little outsay, because it's very important. It sounds like all Lenina's outfits in the book her spectacular pointed. Okay, the green outfit where she goes to the new I just kept thinking about, like that's gonna look so cool on screen, and then

she just wore like a jumpsuit. So that's what I found. That's what I found most disappointing is that they fundamentally seem to misunderstand the message of the book Brave New World, which is so relevant, which is that like consumerism and wanting more more fashioned, more more toys, more experiences, more like based like um frivolous human pleasures, which is so relevant than distracts people from wondering like is our life even worth living? Where in this they were like everyone

just wears a boring utilitarian jumpsuit. Also, the House of Want is some like savage land idea. We're no, the House of Want is supposed to be New London. Everyone is up. It's a capitalist was like the Emperor, yea, this isn't this isn't about like for the book. Like the sex in the book was just like a fun little added thing, that fun distraction that wasn't like not like undulating orgy scene that made me laugh so loud because like, I'm sorry, in this world everyone is on rhythm.

There's not like one person who's just like like phrenetically like offbeat and unable to funk. Like everyone is good. I just there's so many. I just couldn't stop laughing at that. But like the fact the fact that no one the the enemy of this world is like, oh my god. The idea of monogamy that's so taboo. Look, it's so easy for people for viewers to be like, oh, I see why this world is wrong. We're in the book. I mean the book, take it, take what you will

from it. But I definitely reflected I'm like, oh I see a lot of relevance and similarities in the way I structure my life and the world structures our lives and consumerism, and it wasn't as challenging in that way to me. I need to pop a few somma, So why don't we take a quick break. Okay, we're back with Popcorn book Club. The introduction of Indra really muddled things from yeah, I think, oh yeah, well the end in the end, okay, so only Karama and I can

talk about this, I guess please. In the end, they find out they all live in a computer what is like, Yeah, like it's so, it's not it's not explained well enough for me to definitively say that it's a matrix. But I think it is strongly implied that they are living in a computer simulation and they just escaped at the very end, well, because like, doesn't Indra then go and live in Bernard or like the inside Bernard and go back to the Savage Lands and then they bring something

but they bring with them. Yeah, yeah, I think that's what they're doing. So they're gonna tame the Savage Lands with Indra, their computer overlord who health the spirits of the nine people who created it. But no, but yeah, and C C six is a clone of one of the people who have created Indra, who is the guy that plays Klaus on The Originals. That's like straight out of West World taking that is the engine that engineer character. Yeah,

that's boring. They made a message this book like Brave New World, which I think is a very relevant dystopia, and just like flattened it into like the most boring Hollywood dystopia. There's nothing You're right, there's nothing about the book Brave New World that's like great jumpsuits, sleek minimalism. Nothing is minimalism. Nothing is is stimps, computer simulation. It's like, where did you get that? We all saw Minority Report. It's fine. I thought Minority Report level where it's boom

boom bye, get it, take it, want it? Um? Yeah. Also, here's the thing. Everybody in this movie becomes horny for monogny immediately, yes, which I um. If everybody is super horny for monogamy, it's hard for me to belief that there would not just be like a sea change in their society where people would be like all of the population is going to be miserable if they can't like take a whack at monogamy, So let's give it a try.

And I think that's only enhanced by having this tourist attraction where you get to see INDs and violence, but like a very passionate, heartfelt wedding where somebody talks about how desperately they love the woman that they're going to

be monogamous with. I will set the wedding. The thing that's funny about the wedding for me is there supposed to be like a shotgun wedding and the woman is pregnant, and I love loved it on TV when you're pregnant, you're always nine months pregnant, very visibly pregnant, which is not at all how a shotgun wedding works. So I like the idea of the like park engineers from New London being like, ah, yes, she's pregnant, we must make

her very very pregnant. I do. I do like that in this world too, that there's a respect for theater is still a craft that is the most date. That line where he's like live theater is the most dangerous thing. I was like, cool, someone who has done a lot of life, but I'm making them feel I wish it was full like waiting for Guffman, like like it was my guest as the director, because it did feel I loved how over the top it all was and it just felt like an alien trying to be like I

understand marriages. I really I appreciated that part. I wish it was a whole series, that it was just a Christopher guest dile like adventure land of just like people hanging out working at the Savage nothing happens that don't just feel like George saunderstory. It just like what would do and like they make friends and there's no crazy

plot and we just get to know these people. I do think that it is important to recognize, though, that there are people who want to leave the Savage Lands and then they can't write, which I think is so odd because that part of the adaptation. I get that they didn't want to have it be the weird racist thing that it was in them, the racism, but introduced a weird new like haves and have not some thing and like, oh, this is where we keep our poor

people to entertain us. I kind of just read it as Americans, and um, the way America is going at the moment, I kind of feel like it's what we deserve, like we should just have to put on like terrible pantomimes of for British people. Yeah, that's that's what we deserve. I sayd appreciate that change obviously because of racism. And also that's what I thought was where it was where it was going in the book when they kept on talking about the savages, the savages, and like, Oh, it's

just gonna be like what our society is now. And but then I underestimated all this hugs racism um, and then it turned out to be something entirely different. But I was like, oh, yeah, black Friday wedding, shotgun weddings, that is what you would expect. Well, they all have gone, like the guns are a very important part of their

culture constantly. Everybody hasn't gone. But I also think that it's just like a fundamental misunderstanding of what the difference was between like the New World and then end quote Savage Land in the book, where it wasn't like black a Day and weddings which are like sexual and romantic and like a shotgun wedding is like an act of passion in romance where it's like I would think that a stranger thing for a New London person would be

seeing like a big cathedral wedding with like religion and superstition, you know, Like I just I didn't understand the ratio where it's like, no, that the difference is New London is all about like pleasures and consumering and buying things and having sex and like get married if you get want and have a baby, where it's like no, they would be weirded out by, like yeah, I would think like a ceremony with a veil and like a virgin bride, Like they would be more scandalized by like someone waiting

for marriage to have sex than a shotgun wedding. I just think the show misunderstood that where they were like, oh, shotgun wedding tacky, that's what it is. They're tacky. It's like you know, you don't that's not it, right, am I No? I said, I feel like the one thing about the shotgun wedding and the preycy is that pregnancy is such a like oh my god London and like the idea of motherhood specifically, So I think that's one of the reasons that it had to be like bail

belly like Ali want. But they did such a bad job of setting that up in the New in New London, Like there was no real Like that's what I missed about what was in the book that did not make it to the TV show is that there wasn't any discussion of like how this world came to be, what like the like different factories and the cloning, and that there aren't any mothers and like we don't see the conditioning of children until like episode two, And I thought

that was like the most interesting aspects of that original book. And all we get is just like monogamy or g sex, we get a little conditioning later a little And in the book it is such a layup, Like the way the book is structured, Like the first fifty pages are exposition, like a guy giving a tour, And I feel like you could have easily taken that and just adapted that to screen, Like I think that would be a fun entry point into the world. You would have loved watching that. Yeah, yeah,

it's a freebee. Tell us what is happening. He'll put us, give us a tour, give us the Jurassic Park. Like I'm what's I'm a d n A you know that whole one thing I also found a little confusing and maybe you guys can help what you think the appeal of this was. But um, the different inass in classes in the cast between like alpha and epsilon, I was very wildly confused about how John in the book is able to get through this wall. And they're like, oh

my god, he's an alpha exotic. That's amazing, Like I think that's what they call him right there, like we've never seen this specimen. But I thought in the show, but I thought the whole point of like the alpha epsilon things was that you're like genetically made in a factory. So how it doesn't benefit doesn't make sense that he is in alpha. How would he be an alpha? Was his dad was an alpha, his mother was a beta. Here's the thing, though, I don't think it's genetic that Indra,

Indra what's it called, controls the force field. So it was never about you're whether you're in alpha or not. It was about whether Indra wanted you to leave or not. But they examine him when they're when they're paying him, and they're like and they're like, he has the eyes of an of an alpha. Like whatever dumb thing they come up with but I'm like, I thought the whole point of the alpha's were the people who are like

genetically engineered or not. There aren't moms and dads can How can you be an alpha if you have a mom and dad? Even if your mom is it's not like eye color, Maybe it is. Maybe maybe whatever you're supposed to determine that are like eye color, and they're passed down to me. It's dumb. But I mean, no shade to the people who wrote this. I'm sure they did a lot of really hard work and it's a

difficult piece to agree. It's very good. They made nine episodes of it, nine whole episode But here's my thing about it. My understanding in the book was that alpha's were always one egg, one sperm, and every other every other cast was what's it called the splitting method? I

forgot the new game. Yeah, So for me, my understanding, having read the book and then watched the show was, Okay, the reason he has an alpha eyeball is because he was actually conceived with one egg and one But then everyone everyone, everybody, Okay, really maybe it's just okay, you can't like not a blank it solved? Okay, no, but indraw was what was controlling the force field? Sure, yeah, you know fun a fact. Okay, both of my parents

are Canadian, but I was born in America. But that means that I'm still a Canadian citizen because both of my parents are not Canadian. Okay, have you guys seen Gattica because I think Gatica that was really good at it? Like, Jen, does that mean you have Canadian eyeballs? Is that is that what the meaning of that is? To text that

I should be allowed into Canada because I have Canadian eyeballs? Yes, that is how it would work, all right, So that that is my Those are my like big qualms where I was like, I don't think the people who understood who made this understood like the message the parable of the book. And then also I don't find the show entertaining. But again, it's very hard to make a show. So if you're listening to this and and worked on it, I'm you job. I mean, my god, it's so hard

to get anything made. It is so hard to get anything made. I will say that. Like. Also glaring things to me are that, like the main characters are all white. We're just like I can't believe you're like coming out with a new like streaming service, and the characters that were mostly focused well, I've seen the first three so like it all focused, so you're correct day and that

I wish it was queerer. It really isn't like everyone ends up matching very like seemingly straight, and even in the orgy scenes, I'm like, everyone is still paired up in interestingly straight couplings. And if there is there's a later orgy, how everybody is bisexual you yourself half of the population, that's yeah, but the visual of it is still very straight and very white and very character They do mean because there is the scene where Bernard is like, oh,

I forgot savages are weird about dudes? Fucking dudes? Yeah, I know he explicitly says that because Bernard's like, go grab yourself a dude, and he's like no, I'm good. Like He's like, no, homo, but and Bernard's like, don't do that. What's your problem? Dude? But I'm yeah, and

miss listen. I only got through episode two. But in that episode, when they're talking about how like the new London or stole our land and all that stuff, it's a lot of like mapping over Native issues, real Native issues, and it's a bunch of white people saying that I guess correct, And I was like, oh, I don't I don't love that. Uh, you know, it felt tricky and like a little bit disappointing. I couldn't agree more. I agree with you. There is a way to successfully out

of orically talk about issues without including those people. Like the movie pleasant Bill, which is a movie about segregation and race that hasn't marry a black person, And I love that movie. I think it's great. It has one of my favorite lines in the world where she's talking to Reese Spoon is talking to her friend and she's like, you can't believe you guys are twins. You must have been from the cool side of the uterus, which is truly the dumbest thing I've ever heard. My favorite, my favorite.

I love Pleasantville because it's my favorite movie in which a woman. Yeah, but I think that they dropped the ball on being able to allegorically talk about the issues of land thievery and not include Native voices. I think that there might have been a way to do it, but they didn't figure it out. And I don't know what that way is either. I'm not saying they should have done this. I don't know what that way either is, but like, yeah, having that one woman keep saying like

they stole our land. She said like a million times, and I'm like, you got stop saying. I don't know if that even made sense for they're British. They're British and they're just coming to visit this. I think a computer simulation. Yeah, like, what is this white lady who lives in America. You're in America, right, what is what are you accusing them of the land? And they made it into a theme park? But it's a big land. I mean, it seems very very big. It's not like

they're using that, you know. I don't know. I felt like that wasn't the message that it could have been. It could have been like there the halves and where they have not and they have this technology and bro whatever they were saying. I just don't think her grievance like made the most sense emotionally to me. Okay, another

thing that bothered me a lot um. One of the things that I think is really interesting in the book, and that he's one of the downsides of their society that the really clear about is that entertainment is not very good, Like theater is not very good. They can't do Shakespeare there. But they're taking all these eleven year

old children to see what is like. It's not a great theatrical productionant at least one, but the people involved in care about a lot that has like legitimate emotions involved and and gonna shoot out and like a lot of people are yelling and saying lives and there's a little poetic bit in the middle. But the bonything they're seeing is like, not great theater, but it certainly qualifies in my mind just to see it. Um, these are

all very very smart people seeing it. Are you really telling me that everyone would see this and be like, well, the only thing we can make is pornographic movie. That is what we're gonna do. Not all pornographic though, But like Jennifer, you're right where it's like they make it very clear that there's an upper limit to the amount of art you can achieve in in this world where

everything is preordained and there's no suffering. But they there there are there are no barriers in this they should be no. I mean, they have shadowed the ceiling that has been said in the book for one of theatrical experience. Um, that insane guy who just starts dealing at Bernard about how he is an actor. He's working without a net all the time, is in fact correct by the standards and play a new world. He is the greatest actor in the world and he should be respected. But none

of them take that back, none of them like. I like how they told lies. But it felt true. Oh, emotions, when we have emotions, that's interesting, that's something for us. Why aren't they just all doing like a little historic place about what they think monogamy is. I love that. I would watch that. I also think it's very It was also a little disappointing that the whole point of the book was like to criticize Forward and the what's

an assembly line? Assembly line the mechanization of the workforce, which is a legitimate thing worth criticizing. And then uh Lenina, who's a factory worker. She's working at like a at a at a desk in her own little microscope. There's no factory, there's no assembly line. This is a universe. There was a thing, there was a conveyor belt. I did not think that there was a factory vibe vibe that I was like, this isn't it. This doesn't feel

like a universe devoted to Ford. Um. I am also fascinated by, uh, what gammas are in this book because Gamma is my favorite character. I think. I think it's hard to read a book like this and not on some level being like, I wonder what social class I would fit into Gamma all the way we need talk, but also like the little Historians, there's a Gamma on the tour but I love that. Yeah, who got to wear a little hat? I'm telling you people, Yeah, and

I told him about Gary the Gamma. Okay, So Gary the Gamma is a gamma that is assigned to John the Savage when he comes to New London and basically

he's his confidante and his butler, and Um. It also shows to me that John, while he's criticizing this world, is very much into the lifestyle that he immediately because there is a moment where, um, oh my god, there's this moment where Bernard just totally crushes Gary in his conditioning and it is so weird and fun to watch because he knows that John and Lenina have been having sex, which happens in the show like a lot. He doesn't call her a strumpet, so it's still bad their relationship,

it's not. Yeah. But so then Arry the Gamma is like shamed because he has broken his confidence for John. He's like, I thought that I was being a good Gamma and Bernard's like, you're not a very good gamma after all, are you. So Gry runs off feeling all of his feelings and has no soma, and and then m Garry's always baking for them. Everything Gary bakes is wonderful. I mean, Gammas are basically housewives. It seems it seems like, yeah,

it seems like everybody's problems. You can't say that you don't have a family stretcher if everybody gets assigned a servant who is wildly devoted to you and the benefits about Yeah. So then he John comes out of the shower and he's like Gary, Gary, and then Gary's not there, And then he comes out and sees Bernard and he's like, where is Gary? I had to dry myself. Garry's been drying him. Gary is gently chalming him off like a baby. So there is monogamy, And yeah, I think that Gary

was like a little bit in love with John. I think that's a gamma's role. I think they are essentially housewives. People are like deeply no, um no. It seems like if you were an upperclass person, you all get your own Gamma and they're just gonna take care of you. Man, They're just gonna stroke your hair you go sleep and make little shift shish noises. They're like a household. Yeah, Gamma, and they like look really good. And I think they

are like a salmon color, unless like a nice pinkish color. Yeah. I loved Gary the Gamma and he was by far my favorite character because he seemed like one of the more complex characters. I know, what do Gammas do on their days off? Because they seem like the only people who are deeply feeling their feelings? Like do they just all get together and have coffee and like, okay, if you won't believe what my alfa did, I've got some

stuff to talk about. Another great spin another great spin off, which which feels like it's a multicam you know, just like a Gamma multicam sitcom. Yeah you get the break room, you know. Yeah, they all baked like a special ext retreat for this, because that's what they like doing I would love like a I would love a series that's for women who are all Gammas and they like hang out together on their days off and their friends and it's like the Gamma Girls, Pitt Check, Karama, Pitch. Are

you listening to the show? Sorry, we're to have opinions. The thing is, I mean we have said that there's many there are many things that are good about the show. They just don't all come together in a way that I think makes it the best show I've ever seen. But there is somebody out there who thinks this is the best show they've ever seen. Actually, somebody's favorite show. Yeah, I think we should all take a break, check in with our Gammas, and then come back. So we're back

with Popcorn Book Club for My Heart Radio, Melissa. I think he mentioned earlier when we were talking about this adaptation, it's so hard to make things in Hollywood that like you just need I p and they were like, Brave

New World, that's the thing we've heard of. We can turn that into a West World where it was less about like the interest in what the book was than the fact that this book that people have heard of existed, which you know, kind you can in this book with the four people sitting in a room and discussing for seventeen pages, has said they heard that they can't do Shakespeare, and then and then they go to an island, and then they go off to an island and it's fine.

There's bad weather, if you know, if they're doing like you said, was the c WS where I wish they would have like leaned in even more than to all like the weird romance and relationships that like I didn't get. I didn't, I wasn't rooting for I didn't. I was like, I'm not rooting for anyone. And I don't know what

you're trying to say. With this version of Brave New World, it does feel like, as I was reading it and knowing there was a show and having seen the poster and stuff, it feels like a development and marketing super challenge to be true to the book or like true to the tone and the like sort of dark nature of the book and the slowness of the book. While starring a bunch of sexy twenty year twenty something year olds, it feels like it's always going to veer in the

c W direction. I feel like the only show that I've seen that does not do that in recent history. Is Euphoria right, Like it does go darker and pushes darker and or like transgressive. But I think you Euphoria benefit from being like a trojan Horse and the other drab looks. It looks like a teen show, and then secretly it's a prestig show. Where this they were like, look, it's so Prestigie, and then they try to like sneak it in to be pulpy, and then you have to

go the other way. I agree. I disagree with the categorization of this as a c W show one just because I really like c W shows and I feel like you're using it pejoratively and I don't appreciate it. Well, I am a big fan of a lot of c W shows, Okay, I love Laying the Virgin, I love Um Craziest Girlfriend and Buffy. Ye I can't believe Supernatural is ending this year, like that's that's half my life over.

But I do think that I feel like the c W for all of its dramatic interpretations of I p like I mean Riverdale, which we have mentioned many times on this podcast for a good reason. Yeah, I mean and it is an adaptation um so Riverdale, It's still is grounded in the relationships between people. I feel like like, at the end of the day, I know the Jugead and Betty care about each other and that's what why the choices were made, but I don't see that here.

And like Supernatural, it's the relationship between Sam and Dean and their brotherhood that makes the show move forward and why people have been watching it for fifteen years. Yeah, totally. I mean that's what I mean from like the seat, not pejorative, but like the seat. What people love and

what I love is those relationships. Like it felt like this show was attempting to do that, like with the with the even the poster of the three of them, you're like, oh, is this going to be like a love triangle thing that you're going to have to try to figure out and like root for someone to win someone over. Not that that is a part of the book at all, but like it's kind of a set up like that, or or even like it looks like it could be that in the night there was I

was reading for no one. I didn't care about anyone's relationship, but it's like, did anyone have a crush on anyone where it's like the pilot of Riverdale. Do you understand right away Betty has a crush on Archie and then this hot girl Veronica arrives an now Archie likes Veronica. Simple, we know who the conflict where it's like in this who does Bernard like Lanina more than anyone else in

any meaningful way? And you also kind of have to bank on the fact that in a society with your monogamy, you found three people who were incredibly committed to the idea of monogamy. People weren't being like, all right, let's all fun. We don't believe in like not being bisexual. So here we go. Well, I do think it. Just to be clear, I did sort of mean as a pejorative, but I didn't mean that the c W is a bad thing. I mean that people try at being that,

you know what I mean, and do not succeed. I feel like the only one I've seen recently that succeeded as you on Netflix. I feel like it was Life. Nobody watched people that talk to me about it when it was on Lifetime. Everybody would I do to Lifetime because they've been creating amazing content they did unreal which wassib I watched. I watched you on Lifetime and was like, is this good? Is this secretly really good? Good? It's

really good. But I will say it is such a challenge when you think about this book, because every good TV show is about relationships, and we care about relationships, and this is a book that's like people don't care about relationships any one person. That's the whole freaking thing, you know. And even in the book, you're like, oh, they're going to fall in love. John's going to come around to with Lenny and it's like no, he just was like, you're a strumpet and her like. That's why

Gary's the most interesting character. He's the only person who has a strong and ever present emotional tie to someone. The other person who I think is a very fascinating character is Franny. Yeah, very interesting in her competitive friendship with Lanina. I think that. I think it's also very sexful, Like I definitely sex with each other. Yeah, that's what I meant. I didn't want to spoil it for people. Why is that not in the first three episodes because

they have the Trojan the queer stuff. Because I don't I don't think they show the sex itself. There is a moment where Franny comes into Lenina's room and like yeah, and then Lanina this isn't the point where Lenina is like, no, I believe in monogamy, but hasn't told people because so they don't sleep with each other they have, they haven't and they implied that because you don't want to tickle or something the word tick, which he definitely uses tickle.

She goes, I know how you like tick. They're using the lesbian vernacular. Great? Is it just me? Or In the book Brave New World, which the Dystopia was like bad and I get totally get that, but was the one thing where I was like, oh that, actually this is kind of a good thing was that people were like less puritanical about sex, and this show was like

that is the worst thing about it. Like I thought that the one good thing about the Dystopia was like at least people didn't like sledge shame and like people could just sleep with people when they want, which is like a pretty I think monogamy is great, but I also think if you want a sexual relationship, go for it. And I was like, Okay, this this Utopia. Dystopia has some goods and some bads, but the TV show went hard on that it is the worst thing about this dystopia.

The most evil thing is I think we are having when when Bernard and Lena are at the when they first get to the hotel or whatever at the Savage Lands, and it was hot, it was really hot, but it also made it like I laughed out loud because for them to stop and be like, let's save ourselves, it's like extreme edging. I was like, Wow, what is the

message of this show? What are we Yeah, I think that one of the things about the show is the introduction of the lack of privacy, and that's supposed to speak to sort of our interconnected social networking and social media world. And I don't think that that landed like the idea have no privacy, And it was actually deeply alarming to the point where I mean, in the very first ten minutes, Lenina walks into his office and he's like, here's some imagery of you getting railed over the last

couple of months. Did you know that you've only been sleeping with one man? Because I know because I can watch you. Like that was deeply alarming to be more into that, and it would have been interesting. But instead they were just like, all these people fuck all the time and then John comes and teaches them how to be good. Yeah, it seems like the thesis of the of the film. The film. The show was very Twilight and that it's like, wouldn't it be sexy if we waited?

Which I also want to say it's a valid choice, totally, totally, but but but is it the most relevant thesis of Brady World a property? He is very relevant today. I just want to say on the record that if you think it's sexy to wait, then I am so happy for you. But it is not sexy for everyone. And that's okay. And that's sort of what we talked about

in the book episode is that choice is good. Yeah, to return to that, like to the discussion that we had about the book, great did I only watched two episodes this but but if that's I thought, the more poignant message about the like non monogamy and the sort of dystopian nature of it, is less about like, oh you shouldn't have a partner. It's like, oh, you shouldn't love anyone, you shouldn't care about one person's life or

relationship with one person. If someone dies, who cares? You shouldn't have a maternal, paternal or parental love, romantic love, friendship love. None of that matters. And I'm kind of disappointed that none of that seems like it's in the show.

It's right about monogamy, it's good. I think a lot of the problem with that is turning turning all of these things into this George Saunders esque being park because well, obviously they at least say this is to show how bad it was back then, but there are obviously parts of it that are very alluring and enticing. Like I I don't think you could be a thirteen year old child and here a man recite a love home to a woman and not be like, oh, I'd like somebody

to do that for me one day. That would be cool. Have you met thirteen year olds recently, because I'm scared of all of them. I'm thinking of thirteen year old boys, old girl. Yeah, yeah, okay, But I feel like by showing them the fascinating passions experienced by these people, you

obviously make those passions alluring right away. Like, I just don't believe that you could have this theme park where you give people a guide book of like they saved themselves your marriage and it was so erotic, exciting, and they went out to see highly oiled men before the bride gave herself away, but she couldn't touch them, and nobody went back to New London. It was like, I'm going to start doing mad that's my empty thing now, Um, everybody would do that. It's just um the entire Brave

New Girl Books. Society I think is built around the idea of ignorance the love could be a desirable thing, and that families and passion could be a desirable thing, and that art and theater could be desirable. Um. That society works because you've distracted people so much that they

just don't think about it. And there are so many instances in the television show where like whether it's John coming back and like giving this speech up parties where he talks about how like he's never gonna love again because like the girl he loved died, um, where you make all of those emotions immediately desirable, Like you can't tell me that people don't hear him give that speech at a party and be like I think it would I love now I'm in love with Mary jeez, who

I'm in love with now. It's also it looks very weird that like that you're right that the whole point of like the Brave New World Utopia is that distraction and that like we only have new games if it it capitalistically makes you need to buy more uh accessories, and all our movies are are propaganda that well is just crazy and erotic and whatever. And it's like this world is very minim list and there's nothing distracting. It's

all just like modest jumpsuits that are obstacle golf. Maybe you would tell us that it showed up later it tennis like tennis with a light ball, but like a lot of empty space, a lot of minimalism, a lot of walks where someone might be alone with their thoughts. Yeah, there's not enough distraction to keep these people numb, like

the soma is. That's it, and that's not good enough for this world to like keep them numb to even feeling remotely like discontent with how content I do feel like that was one of the things that really shook me in the book, was never being alone with your thoughts, because it does feel like something that I personally struggle with of like going on walks. I'll listen to a podcast. I hope you're listening to a podcast right now. It's

very good. Um, but it does feel like that is things so in our culture of like where you're alone for five minutes, you check Twitter, you check Instagram, whatever, and it does feel disappointments such an opportunity to to like hit people. You know, I will say there is indra, and I know keep saying in this case, I am correct, because the whole kind of indra is you just think about a person and you're with them. But they dedicate using that, so it's like the best targeted ad. They

didn't like visually convey injury. Injury was like very minimalist. Also in the eye and like very like modern and yeah, minimalist where it's like injur wasn't like distracting. Yeah, I was hoping for like times square times a million. Yeah, just like also like Versailles, like a fashion that would be fun. Yeah, like weird stuck, give me like excess. Well look it's Peacock's HBO. They didn't have that kind

of budget. The budget and they didn't have money and be see universal they have a lot of money Peacock, although I will say that does speak to the model of Peacock itself, and just because this is sort of the first big property that Peacock has, I think we should talk about how they have this freemium model where Peacock itself is free to sign up for, but then they have like levels, so if you wanted to watch Brave New World, you do have to pay money for it,

and they can't guarantee that everybody is going to want to pay money for things when they have free things. Also, like all of Downto Nabby, so you can still see Lady Sybil. Oh thank god. My question for the four of you, who are all intelligent, television adjacent slash in people, if you were given the book Brave New World, what would your approach to turn into a television series of nine or or fewer or more episodes? Well, first of all,

we make an eight. I didn't earn the nine, and that's when Melissa Hunter said, wow, yeah, would make it eight. I don't know. I think i'd make it. I think I'd make it like a mini series sort of. Allah. I know as much as true um, and I feel

like there's stuff that just needs to come out. I think that some of the things that they were trying to incorporate, like maybe we don't have world controller Mond and we can't we like mash that character up with Henry with the director and Henry because they he becomes

the director whatever. I think that there were too many characters in the show, and characters that were not in the book that we're in the show, and I think that we could actually pare down the characters in the book and then focus on one person, so focus on Bernard,

focus on Lenina. I would probably focus on Bernard, despite the fact that I think that Lanina as a woman is somebody that I identify more with, but Bernard in terms of fish out of water and having this sort of legacy that he's supposed live up to as an alpha that he is being questioned on. It's funny, however, dunk Son, It's funny that everyone dunk Son, Burner Rama.

We would do a great show together because I feel like I have the same instincts I think when you think about Black Mirror, like I'm a big Black Mirror fan, and I feel like some some episodes are super strong and some aren't as strong. And I feel like the strongest ones are always a big world with a small central relationship that has like very high stakes and like the one with Lady Sybil, Yes, very I think it's

a very distracting world. I think, Yes, the one that really got me, that has always stuck with me is the one where um, they everyone records things with their eyes and every memory is recorded and uh, and it's like this jealous guy who thinks his wife is cheating on him. And again it's guess simple right in a big world. And I think that's what you do with Bernard and Um and Lanina. It's like make them the central relationship. John is the one that kind of comes

in between them. Um. But but it's like what is their central conflict and their dynamic and really hone in on that, and then you have John sort of like blow it all up. Yeah. My ark would be that Bernard starts feeling like a fish out of water and then in the end he goes to his island and he gets to feel like he belongs and it's like, oh, maybe sometimes it's not you, sometimes it's society, And maybe being a misfit is an okay thing in a world

where everyone expects you to be a misfit. Um. But yeah, I don't know what the show was trying to do or say. Yeah, I think, um, I think it touches on something that we meant it earlier. I'd like to see them lean into these characters being antiherists. Like in the book, everybody picks on Bernard, Bernard's awful. Everybody picks on him for understandable reasons, um, and the Savage is maybe has a better knowledge of Shakespeare, but it is also awful and probably murders the central woman in the

book by the end. So I think not leaning into those characteristics is what makes it feel like a c W show that it feels like they've watered this down so really gloss over the murder that he does in the show, like straight marks his dad and nobody ever brings it up ever again at all. I forget that he doesn't. Yeah, exactly my point. Yeah, yeah, it's just kind of painted as like, um, I guess, an acceptable

moment of feeling. But I'm sure Gary would like help him get a passport and get him out to another country because because sports in that world. Indra in this podcast episode sponsored by Indra, what about you, Dana. I think that definitely makes it. I mean you you're all those instincts all sound right. I think like the one major thing or like the fix because of the book, racism of the Savage Land is true, like you need to fix that. But I don't know if the theme

park worked for me. I do kind of like the idea that they would just go and it would just be regular America. But it's just just jet actual regular America. What I would do, which is just like not a theme park. It's just really hard to get a travel visa to go. If you're like a high ranking alpha, you can go, and it's just they just go to like the Cleve Cleveland and just like like this is kind of shitty in a different way. So that's my that would be my one. But I would spend like

a week in Cleveland with no silma. Yeah you can whether they're like it's a stressful experience. They like watch a movie that's like a normal movie and they're like, Okay, it's fine. They seem like they see like a Cleveland production of like Wicked, and then they're like theatery scarbage. If they go back home and that feeling is true, It's fine. It was a little flat, like not not bad listening when you're in Cleveland, They're not. I really I enjoyed Cleveland the perspective of a of a New

London asshole. They wouldn't appreciate the joys of Cleveland like I would. I've never been to Cleveland, but I think I mean regular. I only know Cleveland from the thirty Rock bit where they're like that, I love that bit. Wasn't the Drew Carey show set in Cleveland? Yes? It was? Did they just choose a spot on a map ors from Cleveland? I feel like he has feel like he

has to be from Cleveland, you know what. I feel like the only reason we're thinking of Cleveland is because he's a lot of pop culture, Like Cleveland is too sophisticated. Send them to this moy Tiowa. Cleveland doesn't sound like a real word anymore. Yeah, did you tell us how you would write the show? I mean I would. I would do something similar to Melissa and Karma is just like focus on that those relationships of Bernard uh Lanina

and John. I mean my dream would be too. I would clear the hell out of it and follow Lanina and maybe have Bernard to be a woman as well and have them kind of like play around with the fact that this world is what do you say, Bernard debt um, because it does seem like, you know, we still get to see these men making these decisions based on their emotions, and I want to I want to give the women in this world that opity opportunity to do that and not just have like John b Emo

and Bernard b also Emo in his wheels weird Weasley way. Also in terms of people who are related to famous people. Tom Stoppard's son is also in it, and he plays the I'm forgetting his name, just the the guy in charge, Bernard's boss who shows up something to say to lecture him worked, the white guy, the one who gets pushed over the cliff. No, I didn't, I didn't finish this fathers. Yeah, sorry, I kind of do. Sometimes have white guy face blindness

with really generic looking handsome guys. Were handsome in there to make it okay, but like if someone is like a certain level of handsome, they just all look the same to me, like every every like bachelor guy, every guy who's ever been on the badelor I can never I can't tell a part. I mean, I think that's done on purpose. They all, yeah, they're all casting cast to look the same the same there twice And I found it out recently and I was like, really, I

would have never known if you lined them up. They should just be renaming the same guys every season with a different name and a different occupation. Like, wow, Matthi architect really looks a lot like Mark the Pilot. I just take it over it. They make them like change their whole identity every time social Security number. Also, I think for if we were to write this, I would love to see just like capitalism even grosser than what's being shown, just like they don't really gross capitalists. No

person buy a thing. Do they have money? Like it doesn't it's not clear. It's certainly clear in the book that they have to keep consuming that someone guys because Lenina talks about that someone bought her like a darling Mouth Lucian belt. Yeah, and that was a gift. And the show, do they have money, It's very unclear. It's

unclear they don't. It's unclear how they like have their their apartments and like how they get and their damas, just as signed the game just like you have a person that's your person, Yeah, my person, and they just love you. Yeah. I there was something that was really intriguing that I don't remember at least being explored in the book. I've blocked out the majority of the book because I was like, I don't care for this. This

is racist, racist in a lot of ways. Um, but they get There's a part where Lenina and Bernard do dating, as they call it. Um. They try out doing a date like a monogamous, savage person would do, and Bernard is basically like trying to see if Lenina like likes him, which is sweet in a way, but then he gets really frustrated when she clearly is like I want to go.

But then he like plays chicken with her in a way where he's like, okay, so now we fuck, and then she's like clearly not interested in it, but starts taking her clothes off because it's what she's supposed to do because she's a beta, and he does stop her, he doesn't assault her, but like the fact that he's willing to humiliate her in that way was very weird, and I don't know it sort of got into this idea like the betas are supposed to be good time girl all the time, and I are all the fascinating.

Not all of the women are betas. I think in this they do have alpha's that are women. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure all the women are betas because he wrote it in and women didn't develop full brains until women didn't get the right to vote in Switzerland until the nineteen seventies. Did you know that? But I found

it out today. It is curious though maybe I mean, again, only watch two episodes, but in the second episode on the bus that like, there's like a shitty kid who's like, yeah, you're a beta, like and why would he say that if like every woman was a beta like that, you're a lady Helm is a I'm pretty sure. I felt the tender swopping on that was fun, was very good. She was too artistic for a dystopia. She was too cool.

That ended up being her problem. And she became so fascinated by the idea of John's feelings and how she got to explore his feelings, like she downloaded his feelings and she was like, I've never seen anything like that before. And then she like takes off her wig and he's a new person, Like again giving these people full history books,

why wouldn't you just do like a bunch of historical promise. Um, the the amount of information they have given them is not compatible with the art that this world is turning out. Part of a part of a dystopia is you have to restrict information, like the difference with this and they haven't at all. There's that famous essay of like the difference between comparing Brave New World with n and it's like, yeah, the dystopia in nineteen eight four is they destroy all

the books and restrict it and center it. And the difference in Brave New World is they give you so much that you don't even care to read the history books. So it's like they're not doing either of those things. So why is the system working in a bit of the matrix? Because that's the at the end of the series, and it's like a test. It's like to see if Indra can withstand the Savage coming in and he's like a virus. Like it's so weird. It's such a bizarre

ending that came from nothing. In the book Full Scale Revolt, I forgot that part. They murder people, they murder people. The exons just completely revolt and c Jack sixty is the leader of the revolt, and then when he sees how it actually ends up happening because it's done with the use of Indra, because you can't tell anybody apart other than with Indra because they don't have their color

coordinated outfits like they did in the book. So, um, if there were a couple of people who like took Indra out and he was like, oh god, this is this is not good, what's happening, and those people get to live and they're like, it's it's really interesting to see how Indra is the only way that they can tell what class anybody is. So once you take that out, everybody's the same. Maybe that maybe that is what the remake should have been, is just follow ce Jack see

Jack sixty. Yeah, and not following alpha and not follow a beta, not follow someone who's like up in that society, because they start doing it a little bit where they're where he like touches the person that jumped up like touches his clone, and he has a feeling that was bizarre. But if that's what you wanted, if that is something that you wanted to explore, that like people are starting to like play with emotion and feeling. I would buy that.

It's very the giver that it's like, oh, people, people are starting to have emotions. What's happening. One of the best scenes in the book, though, is the scene that makes it so clear that revolt it's impossible that John in the book tries to start a revolt, and the first of all, everybody's just really annoyed that he's growing

out their soma. And then once it got so annoyed that they're willing to attack him, they just really a cloud of so mane to the air and they play a little recording saying like, why are you doing this? Please be good, just be nice to each other. Okay, all right, right right right right right right right right right right yeah, nice, right right nice? Yeah, what we do here again? I would be into that too. Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

I think one of the most interesting parts of their culture, and the reason I think their culture keeps working is because you just do that every time there's an attempt at uprising. Yeah, it's a successful it's a successful dystopia. And also if someone is too smart for it, they send you to a nice island where it seems fine, where then you don't. It's not like they're murdering people and they're guillotining people and they're like, oh we have

to Okay, this system is not working. This is violent. It's like, all right, if you don't work for the system, go live in like the Falkland Islands with fun. Okay,

that sounds nice. I'll do that what we're saying about that though, And I wonder do they do that with gammas and absalon's or do they just do it with like alpha's and baby But I think the prob the thing in the book is it assumes that gammas and epsilons are so programmed that they would never even have the ability to see outside the box they love, that's true. And they also all have like fetal alcohol syndrome. Yeah, they're like they're like actually brain damage like on purpose, yeah,

developmentally like actively stunted. Yeah, I mean bad. But aspect of it was missing from the show. Yes, yeah, the AICs was gone. Yes, said they really they flattened it out, They made it much more. They made the like questions of morality and society just like way less pressing. I mean, you could you could push all of those things to make it more relevant for to and they just flattened it out. Yeah, doing like a very eugenics heavy, um

dystopian show. That would have been interesting, scary look a dystopian world about like the distraction of consumerism and social media and also eugenics and also apathy that people just don't care is very scary and I would want to see that. And I was just like disappointed that we

didn't get that. And that's why I think so not to harp on the nine episodes, but I feel like if they had had episodes, if they had kind of episodes, I feel like they might have been able to figure out a way to stretch and explore all of those things. But like they went for nine, not even eight, So it doesn't feel like they were told, you only have eight episodes. I don't I don't know what happened there.

I think that they like came up with the thing and they were like, Okay, we said all the things we want to say. I say all the things that the book wanted to say. I feel like the nine meant that they that the I was like, how many do you need to tell the story you want to tell? And he's like mm hmm nine, So they got exactly what they wanted. You know, it wouldn't work if John

got completely absorbed into that society. Would that be a kind of tragedy if he went there and just by that, like he ended up realizing that he didn't want to towel himself off ever again, then he wanted Gary to gently towel off his wet body every time he came out of the shower for the rest of his life. I think he would have been happier. I mean maybe, Yeah, I don't know down into the show, so I don't know how good this toweling off is. So I can't

make it. I can't make a good judgment. Very gentle Garry is very lovely him, and we're talking like what kind of what kind of really fluffy? Okay, yeah, just Gary warms it up a little bit beforehand, Pyle, Okay, well, then that would have been tragic. I would have liked to see. Yeah, they didn't include any of the good stuff. I think that they did a disservice to themselves by making the first two episodes medium good and then like making those the three episodes because we're I not watching it.

I always will watch anything for three to five episodes just to test it out. I'll watch truly pretty much anything. Um. But if it weren't something that we were talking about for this show, with the first two episodes being free, I don't think I would have pushed to go further. Like, I don't think I would have signed up to get more episodes. Yeah, we had watched this for this and we only watched two and three. Yeah, it's about relationships, right.

I feel like I could see a version where you just really slow it all down and like really drill into Bernard and Lenina in the first episode and like why we care about them, and then you just an episode three, you're with John and you don't know who he is, you don't know like what world the whole episode. Yeah, it's very like yeah exactly, uh, and it feels like then you're just with him and then you you understand how the world's intersect. Like I'd be all in. Yeah,

that sounds I want to watch that. I want to watch that show too. Yeah, Peacock, what do you think a reboot of Brave New World? At least? No, I think that we've we've done enough braving of this New World we can stick with old worlds and other new worlds that have other adjectives, so like maybe like a funky new world. I don't know. I would love a world that's just about like funk music, just like funk music and soma just like people having a good time.

People would love that. I know exactly what people would love that. And they're on Somac show. I think that's just like a live concert fish. It's a fish concert, some funny music, people on drugs. Fun. Thank you so much for listening. Next week is Rebecca, So get reading if you want to read along or just watch the movie. We're doing both of them. There's one coming to Netflix with Army Hammer and Lily James. So thanks for listening. Bye bye bye. That's our show for the week. Thank

you so much for listening. I'm Danish Schwartz and you can find me on Twitter at Danis Schwartz with three z s. You can follow Jennifer Wright at Jen Ashley Right, Karama, Donqua is at Karama Drama, Melissa Hunter is at Melissa f t W and Tan Tran is smart enough to have gotten off Twitter, but she is on Insta at Hank Tina Our Executive producer is Christopher Hessiotes and were produced and edited by Mike John's Special thanks to David Wasserman.

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