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Hello, lovely listeners. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Pop Culture Junkie Podcast. My name is Shauna and I am joined by my fellow Junkie whose name is... Olivia. Hi! How are you? I'm great. How are you? I'm okay. I'm gonna pretend like I didn't just see you a couple hours ago. Oh my god. How are you? I am doing well. I am back in Arizona and I'm very sweaty. It is very sweaty. You and I are both just mentally exhausted right now
so much. Everything's great. It's great. What do you mean? I do. I do. I do. I do. I do. Well at least we have pop culture. If all those fails in this world and it all goes to shit. We have shown it ultimately. And Olivia came to my pool party recently and it was summer wean themed so it was like I put up all my Halloween decorations. With the time. I interpreted as where a costume. No one else did. You, you L Woods do me. You said it was a costume
party and then it wasn't a costume party. In the Facebook event description which I know you didn't look at. It says to wear spooky swimwear. Okay. Okay. No. You L Woods do me 100%. I showed up dressed as beer because I have like a beer hat and then a yellow swimsuit and then I looked stupid because I've done a lot of black and orange swimsuits and I was like well fine. I'm just going to swim around the pool with my beer hat on and I love to do what I do. Because I like you
and I like beer. So when you put those together and I like hats. I kept in like it's ironic because I can't drink beer. That is true. But I can be it. I can be beer. I can be beer but I can't have it inside me. Anyway. What have you been watching reading, listening to, obsessed with recently? Oh, did you have a yacht? So I'm in my documentary kick lately and I have two that I would recommend.
Okay. The first one is I think it's called the Black Widower and it's about this guy who's had six wives. Donald Trump. Maybe it's about him. He's had six wives who have all died and he's collected life insurance policies on all of them. It's about the cases that he got charged with and the peels and all that stuff. So that was pretty interesting. Well, I saw it on HBO. Okay. So probably Matt. Yeah, I also think it's
on Discovery Plus. So if you have that, you can listen to it. I can't keep up with all the fucking platforms that we have. Like I think my have Discovery Plus. I don't know. I'll drive. Max owns it. So if you're Max, you've Discovery Plus now. But oh, really? Well, then I do have Discovery Plus. Yeah, there you go. So yeah, you can or if you, you know, have cable. You can always hate that thing. So you can always watch that.
No, the second one is dirty pop the boy band scam. And it's a documentary about Lou Proman. I was just like, say, it's either L.A. Reid or Lou Pearlman. Right? Okay. Good. Good. So because my first question was going to be was do you know who Lou Proman is? Oh, 100%. And so Lou Proman is most widely known for having the longest running Ponzi scheme in American history. Really? The longest running Jesus.
I thought I was going to get that title. Yeah. You're in comment for your Lou. As well as creating the back straight boys and in sync. Yeah. And then also a little known band known as Drain. Which really spheres was supposed to be a part of. But she thankfully left. I had that city. It went so low. But it was, it's I think it's three parts. It's really, really good. Now my gripe with it, my gripe with most of these Lou Proman documentaries is they do not go into the abuse that was happening.
Yeah. Enough. They don't really, they kind of are like, okay, well, we can prove the financial abuse and prove that he's a bad guy. But no one really wants to like touch the other side of it. Yeah. And so that's really kind of missing of how he abused these people, people from L.A.V.O. have publicly came out and said it and stuff like that. So I feel like it's like allegations or whatever.
Yeah. Yeah. Because he can't prove it. And so, but I was my gripe with it. I was really hoping that after an open secret like they would, you know, kind of show that part had been happening in the music industry as well, even to children. But it kind of swept under the rug. So that was my biggest thing that I didn't like after that. Yeah. That kind of sucks. I mean, it feels like it's a lot of these documentaries too. Where it's kind of like the elephant in the room where you're like,
okay, you're going to talk about the like sexual abuse. Is this going to come up? And they're always like kind of skirt by it. But yeah. And in BoybandCon, Lance Bass produced it. And they brought Aaron Carter on when he was kind of in the midst of his drug addiction, like hoping he would kind of say it. And then he like, said he would. And then he did a 180. And was like, oh, I don't know bad things to say about Lou at all. What are you talking about? Yeah. And it just became the so
trauma for a dirty, yeah, like switch up on Aaron Carter from NSYNC. Yeah. While interesting. Maybe I'll give that a whirl. Is that on Max too? No, it's on Netflix. That one I do have. Which one nonetheless, I'm sure you can find it somewhere too. I've actually. Let's see, I've been watching all of my usual stuff. So how's the dragon? At this point, we only have one episode left. As of this recording, I know. It goes by so fast. And I guess the biggest thing I watched
this week was Deadpool and Wolverine finally came out. I was so excited going into this movie. I literally was sitting in the movie there like giddy like a schoolgirl. And it was incredible. I fucking loved this movie. Spoiler free review. Yes, I won't do any spoilers because there are a ton of cameos in this movie that I literally screamed out loud for just the minute somebody would pop up. I'd be like,
just smiling the entire time. It's so good. And it's raunchy, but it has heart to it. And it has a good story. I mean, Hugh Jackman is so ridiculously ripped. It's insane. How old is this man? 55 years old. And he, my goodness. I guess Tidy Spoiler. He's shirtless in one of the scenes. And it's good. But yeah, very, very good movie. Laugh out loud, funny. I think it'll fit well into
the MCU. The MCU's first R-rated movie. I mean, Logan was R-rated, but that wasn't in the MCU. Even though they do, you know, allude to it in this movie because that was the last time we saw Hugh Jackman as Wolverine. So yeah, yeah, gonna absolutely pop Deadpool and Wolverine. Yeah, I'll see you as well. Yeah, I'll go eat again. I'll go with you to see it. It was so good. Yeah, and I was so forcing. Yes, twist my arm. I guess. It's actually a 17-show-ing later. You want to go? Let's
drop the shit up so we could go see Deadpool. Who could use some giggles? Let's go do it. Another thing that, gosh, if Nicole was here, I feel like she would be like, really? Then I started watching that will kind of go into our topic for this week. So my friends, Marissa and Jessica, talked to me over the weekend about this show that they're both been doing. It comes out every single day and it's called Love Island and it is on Peacock and I didn't even have Peacock. Like,
I had to use Jessica's log in for this. Thanks, girl. And I usually don't like trashy dating reality shows. I watched Rock of Love and Flavor of Love on BH1 back in the day just because they were so fucking absurd and disgusting, but I don't like the Bachelor. I don't like any of that shit. And I am hooked on this show. You could almost say I'm hate watching it because it's one good thing. One good thing. I'm hate watching this show because I feel stupid at the end of every episode. I'm
like, what am I doing to myself? This is not contributing to my personal or financial growth or emotional growth and the slightest. But the concept of the show is like, these really fucking hot people, just like dummy attractive men and women or all put in an island in Fiji and they all have to couple up with each other. It's very heteronormative and you have to like choose a person and sleep with
them and then you're in a couple. Not like sleep with them sexually, but like you have to sleep in a bed with them. Well, it's like implied, yeah. Yeah. And then you get to know them and date them, but then like every one a couple episodes a new bum shell will enter the villa and like the producers will just drop in the hottest person you've ever seen in your entire life and then everybody just fights
over them. And then like couples will break up and everyone's crying and I thought we were in love, it's been a week. It's insane. But in Fiji, a week in Fiji feels pretty magical. I literally, especially when everybody has rock hard abs and breast implants. Yeah. I'm a Vanderpump rolls person. So I love Ariana and I love that she has made the US version of Love Island like so popular because it's always really struggled here. Like people would always say don't watch the American one,
watch the UK one. Yeah, but I love that she is just winning and oh my god, she looks amazing and like every outfit I see of her. She's gorgeous. Yeah. I don't watch Vanderpump rules and I only know about scandival because of you. Yep. It's so I wouldn't have known that that's who this woman was until my friends told me all I knew is just this ridiculously good looking woman. It's hosting the show. And
everybody's in the tiniest outfits possible, but they're all looking like a little outdated. It's all giving like 2008 Charlotte Ruse we're going to the club like it feels like you're watching Tiva Ticula a Sean I love. Yes. That is what all of their outfits look like. It looks like what I would have worn if I was like I really want to look good and I'm 23, which is I guess everybody on this show.
So we're going to take a quick break, but we're going to dive into more of this concept of hate watching right after the break. So the concept of hate watching is something I mean there's hate listening, hate reading. I think hate reading would take a lot more time out of your schedule though. Something that you know is bad or something that is universally kind of known to be low quality, but you watch it anyway or you
listen to it anyway. JoJo C. Wallace music videos. I've been like. All JoJo C. Why anything. Oh my god, I have to watch her new music video in Mexico. We were like we have to put this on because we know it's going to be so bad that we have to watch it. We have to witness it. So I wanted to talk about hate watching. We'll just call it that even though there's you know hate listening to music too.
And why people do it and if you hate watch anything, I got the idea for this episode because there's a documentary about Nickelback. It's something along the lines of the band that you love to hate or hate to love. Yeah. So Nickelback is kind of widely regarded as one of the most hated bands of all time.
For better or worse and same along with like creed these kind of dad rock bands, but lately they've been getting kind of a resurgence I've noticed through memes and commercials like Nickelback had a famous commercial a couple years back where they kind of poke fun of themselves. Same with the documentary. They're kind of like they realize people hate them and dog on them a lot. And is Nickelback
really that bad even? I mean I don't like their music, but if they come on in a bar, then I'm gonna fucking sing Nickelback because everybody knows the words and we're all gonna sing it. You know what I mean? Same with creed like you and I sing creed at karaoke because it's hilarious and we know the words. I do not put creed and Nickelback in the same category. But I really do just like Nickelback, but I also think that it's kind of like an overexposure thing. Yeah.
Where Nickelback was always so commercially safe. Yeah. But like they felt like they could really do that. Yeah, I say that. And so I think a lot of it comes into overexposure unfortunately that whenever you know you're around too much or people feel like they have too much access to you like there's this weird like tipping point like Zendaya for example everyone's like oh my god I love her but it's because you don't like have enough access to her. I see that. But then you would like look
at like a Taylor Swift who you have so much access and people like love to hate her. Yeah. And it's like one of those things. So I think a lot of it has to do with exposure. Yeah that's a really good point. I see that with like the backlash that Jennifer Lawrence and Anne Hathaway got a couple years ago when these are both too beautiful, funny, talented actresses but all the sudden it was kind of cool to hate them. And I think they've kind of gotten over that now because they both kind of
went out of the limelight for a couple years. Yeah. But it just sucks like and we see a lot with women. I mean I know we talked about male bands but like when it comes to actresses I think it's a lot of women. We love you. Okay. When I was sick of you. Go and like Taylor Swift. Go away a little bit. Yeah. And I think like the Kardashians, the fact that they're still so famous but I think I've only met
one person in my life who is legitimately like no I love the Kardashians. I love watching that stuff. Everyone else is like no fuck that. Like then why are they so famous if we all collectively dislike them?
So I think that like early season of keeping up with the Kardashians were like a perfect hate watch for me at the time where like it was still like a semi good reality TV show like what it was on e and these people are crazy and it's a giant family so there's just like so many dynamics and I think like those ones were good but to be honest and put my tinfoil hat on I don't think anyone is actually watching the hulu show at all. I don't know a single person who's watching that.
Yeah I don't think anyone actually is but I think who is like lying and making it like number one or number two so people actually think that them doing the show was a good idea. I agree that's interesting and because the Kardashians are such a just a brand in themselves they're going to bring you money. I don't know they're going to talk about hulu on their social media channels with a billion fucking followers it's all money it's all follow the money. I like to brag because I
not like other girls. I've never seen an episode of keeping up the Kardashians. I guess it could be very entertaining. I just I've never seen it. I don't know. The first season is so interesting. That might actually be an interesting episode to do. Oh my god. It's to go back and watch like the first episode of the first season. Shauna and Olivia watch keeping up with the Kardashians. Yeah there's
nobody nobody has those same faces. Not a single one of them. And not a single one of them. Rob maybe but it's a little more round now. That was an ice-waited for that. That was yes. Yes. It was trying to be sensitive there. That was very good. But Rob Kardashian actually used to be really that cute and he was dating Adrian Balan. Oh that's right. A cheetah girl. Cheetah, cheetah, sister. And then three LW I always want to call them three little women. I think that's what
three LW stands for. It is. But you're calling them like their full government name three little women. Miss three little women come over here. I love that new song by those three little women. That's crazy. Okay so we're gonna do that. We're gonna watch the Kardashians. At least the first episode. I can't commit to more than that. Oh my god. I don't know. Okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. I love that. So I have a few reasons why people might hate watch something. So why spend your time consuming media
that you dislike entertainment value. Sometimes the content itself is just so outrageous or cringe-worthy or just poorly done that it's just funny. It reminds me of like just cringe videos that you see on like TikTok or Instagram or something. It's just like super socially awkward people and you just watch them because it makes you feel yucky inside you love it. Social interaction. So there's communities. Your friends are watching it. You want to talk to your friends about it. I mean I guess
that's kind of me with love Island. I wouldn't say that I hate this show. It just makes me feel stupid. Yeah. I feel that way sometimes about like the bachelor or the bachelor at like everyone's watching it and everyone's talking about it. So I guess I'll go to that like watch party. Yeah. And like because I want the Shakudari and I want the wine and the gossip because that that show is literally just like half ads and it's two hours. So like it's kind of like a book club so people like create
that community around it. That is the one thing that I wish that like I could get into the bachelor because like my sister-in-law and my mother-in-law love it. Yeah and they have like a little group chat and then all these girls I see are like bachelor at viewing party and they love their like Rose and cheese and I'm like I want to be eating Rose and cheese and my PJs but I don't want to have to watch
this terrible television show. We can do it for a book club but you have to demonstrate that you can read fast enough. I read fourth wing and like a week. You did but that was like one. So I think if you can prove you can read three books fast we'll let you join. To be fair I might have a lot of spare time coming up so this is very true. Oh I should have given you a book when you were here. And I am in a depressive episode so I need a good book. Not to brag but I am gonna spend all day
and all night in bed and not to brag but shit is going really poorly for me. I meant to say. We need a good bug. We need a good cleanse thing honestly. Literally. Okay number three yeah I mean this is kind of the same thing. Cultural phenomenon is just shows are personalities gain attention for being controversial or polarizing and you just have to see what happens next. Number four emotional release. Watching something you dislike can help you release your frustration with the
world. I could never do that. Like I even skip the debates because I don't want to see who shall not be named speak. I just it makes me so anxious I can't deal with his. I can't deal with his toys.
Yeah sometimes like I feel I agree but it depends like so I would put Vanderpump rules in that category for me because it like that with scandival for example like it was like so triggering to me in a way that I feel like it helps me to like work through maybe some like unhealed trauma for someone like cheating on me in the past where I'm like what oh like if you know I think a lot of those things like what you don't like is often like a mirror not saying that like
Donald Trump is a mirror. I'm not but I feel like if somebody is beautiful as Ariana that's her name right yeah yeah somebody is fucking beautiful as Ariana could get cheated on then you're like oh now I understand why he did this to me okay yeah so sometimes I like those or like you would just like have something that you can like put your anger into like at a character or whatever I was speaking of today so I have been having a rough week you guys and in the middle of the day
all of a sudden this fire alarm goes off and I know that it's it it's not a fire I just want to share snapchat about this I love it I love it I know that it's not a fire and I know that they did not have a planned fire alarm test today so I just went out on my balcony because this is not the first time it just happened and I was just like having such a bad day and it took like five minutes to get the thing turned off and I was literally about to go downstairs and scream at these people because
I was so upset I was like how could you do this like I have a job to do and then I was like first of all I'm not gonna take out my bad day on someone else so I just don't go down there and yell at them but sometimes shows can have that feeling without ever yelling at that person and so sometimes I like shows like that I can totally understand that and I try really hard not to let my bad days come out on other people I remember one time I did it to a student loan representative on the phone
and then I hung up and since then I was like that wasn't her fault why did I scream at her that's not her fault yeah I used to work in customers support I still kind of do and so every time I talk just a customer support person I'm like God that's you don't be mean to that anyone that's you exactly into this day I'm always like okay I know this isn't you Susan like okay I'm just gonna that's like an ever corporate training you ever go to it's like just know if someone's mean to you
it really isn't about you at all and and it came very true but I think hey watching really is that or like just like such a disdain for something which goes into the next reason a lot of people hate watch would be contrarianism so so many people like it it's going against the grain like well I'm too cool through that you know yeah everyone else loves Game of Thrones I guess I'll watch it but I'm not gonna like it yeah yeah exactly so I think a lot of children are guilty of that
because they want to be different or things like that but then like they're watching from the side minds but I did that for a really long time with housewives as well I still have a love to hate kind of relationship with housewives just guess it is kind of mind numbing I mean that's all of your reality shows is like it's mind numbing but sometimes you need that you need those shows where you don't have to like I don't know I can put it on in the background while I scroll on my phone and if like
I'm not gonna miss a gone and a gone and a gone and yeah yeah like I need something a little dumb to put on sometimes it's a big phone little phone show for sure but on that kind of know I have a theory that no reality TV should go on past a third season because then people know the formula too much and it makes it less authentic and real like the first season the reasons of the bachelor great the first three seasons of love Island probably like amazing you know oh my god the first three seasons
of like America's next top model too oh my god so good so good you know and that's one of the lot of shows a show that I used to really like but then by the end I found myself hate watching it was the flash yeah and it's because it went on for so many seasons that those first three seasons that show I'll say were amazing like we my husband and I loved all that and this goes with a lot of those like CW superhero shows we really liked the first couple seasons of Arrow and Supergirl and then
eventually used to kind of fall off and stop watching them or eventually we would find ourselves watching them but the whole time being like this is so fucking bad this is so dumb oh my god this is so dumb or we'd be like there's another hallway chat oh berries and his feelings again or like oh Oliver can't tell us secret again and then we're like if we're really just watching this just so we can dog on it every week like maybe we should find other shows to watch because at this point
we're just hate watching this let's just make our brains a little bit happier you know what's in that we do enjoy especially because you see that quality go downhill like the first season of Riverdale I love I love the first season of Riverdale and then after that it got so dumb Riverdale's known as probably the most universal hate watch show yeah yeah and and just like that we're like the top two like they were like switching back and forth and every article I looked at like what
were the top 10 hate watching shows I love it just like that I will admit season one I hate watched it season two I unabashedly enjoyed it yeah yeah you won't accept that I enjoyed it but I enjoyed I won't change your mind the next one is so curiosity yeah okay curiosity about why others like or dislike something can drive people to watch content they wouldn't normally enjoy then I want to understand different perspectives or motivation and then critical analysis for critics or for those
in media analysis like S where in media analysis we know just how to podcast obviously it can provide material for where we're so intelligent can provide material for dissecting storytelling techniques flaws plot holes cultural impacts curiosity I think of with you with your 600 pound life oh my god I love that show so much I am so sorry if that's problematic I love that show unabashedly and maybe I do kind of hate watch it because when I watch it the whole time I watch the crap out
of that show I feel so like bad for these people but then I'm like am I watching this to feel better about myself maybe I like that's bad it's version of hate watching that's what I mean like definitely curiosity it's so psychological like I think it's it's a really interesting I've never thought about that with that show because that's absolutely I don't put it on because I'm like oh I can't wait to see what happens next I put it on because I'm like well it says in the description
that Robert here is 750 pounds and is inside of his bed for life so yeah in like hoarders yeah kind of stuff and my strange addiction I do love those all of those honestly anything on the TLC network also my mom my mom watches the or you showed she doesn't anymore the duggers and I would hate watch the crap out of that show and it was just so fun the duggers for sure yeah yeah there's just so many kids Johnny Kate plus eight like they're something about like you know it's bad but like
you just cannot look away yeah and I think the duggers is good to watch if you have a history of religious trauma yeah watch it you're just like oh my god maybe or maybe not am I trigger you I guess it depends on how far removed you are from your religious trauma is it gonna make make you spiral or is it gonna make you cathartically scream at the television and thank god that you got it like the higher being another one that you guys have already heard me talk about
extensively throughout this podcast that I absolutely hate watched was the idol oh my god you watched that whole season didn't you yeah I wish the whole thing like god bless you I couldn't do it yeah I heard a song that they make for it and I'm like that song is good like it's about makes good songs but that he does not make good TV he's not a good actor he needs to stick with what he knows the other honorary mentions which I think this I always think of this show was kind of like
coining this term Emily and Paris oh see I I didn't watch that but I heard enough about it to understand that like it's about a rich privileged white woman who goes to Paris and that's about it stuff oh my god that was the show we were trying to remember the other day that you hadn't watched that I was astonished you hadn't watched I couldn't like I don't know I just it looked too cringy and weird from the the previews that's why it's a hate watch page and that's why it's on this episode yeah
that's why it's a hate watch oh we gotta do it you have to watch it it's kind of like Bridger 10 where you it's not gonna be good but it's so good I love but that's what I mean but it's you know what I mean like it's good but like it's it's not it's good but it's gonna be a little dumb it's not like a ground rig like it's not like a game of thrones level I got you I got you so but yeah that's a good run I
love that maybe before the next season comes out we'll watch it because it is so entertaining she's like a marketing hire in Chicago and is all every single day I ducked out in four thousand dollar Chanel outputs and like none of it is realistic it's giving Carrie Bradshaw yeah it's yeah it is very give like based on that like kind of like thing where you know money doesn't exist in this in this life here but a nice way to live I wish I wish problems would be about like farther and fewer between
oh my god this is amazing this is giving me like I need to go watch some trashy television Andrew's out for the night so I do think I'm just gonna sit in my couch and binge alive whenever I'm really sad and I would recommend this to anyone is watch the first season of the Osborne it's on YouTube it is so funny oh my god and that's what I'm not even hate watching that's just good TV it is so friggin funny and they I think they stop it at the third season like there should never
be anything over three seasons they stopped in time I remember Kelly Osborne was dating uh Bert McCracken from the used and I had the biggest crush on him yeah and just you can't understand a thing Aussie is saying and everything is just the f-word there's just miniature poodles and like parmarinians running everywhere it's insane I love it after the day of my answering oral I had a guy come bring me in and out and he put on the whole season of the Osborne's and we just get gold
so hard all night and I was like I should I should marry them and just put out one to do it which man this is because uh yeah I'm sorry but literally I was like I'm sad will you bring me in and now and come watch the Osborne's with me oh my god when I was sick in college my ex would come over and watch like the OC with me which was also trash television and before he became a monster yeah yeah uh mid or cool until they suck until they aren't yes uh well I want to know everybody who's
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