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Welcome to another episode of Pop Culture Junkie. I'm Olivia here with my fellow Junkies. Nicole. And Shauna, I realize I sing that every week. It's Shauna. It's Shauna. I like your flare. Thank you. When I was a bartender years ago in college and when it was my shift the DJ, I would play that clip from Ferris Bueller's Day off, where she's like, "Well, my name, some people call me Shauna." The song background goes, "Shauna, Shauna." So,
I would just hang up to everybody. I do. It's my husband singing it. Not really. He's just snorting and farting. Like the voice in your head is Andrew singing it to you. Or are you impersonating it or is he singing it? Do you like how none of those options where he's actually literally was like, "Wait, that's not what I said." The answer to that is, yes. I love that for you. I love that for you. So, I think that really enlightening song.
What have we been obsessed with this week? Okay. So, I have been... I don't want to say Benjing. I can't say Benjing because it's just a week-to-week show. It's called Shogun. And it's on Hulu. I'm going to try my best with these names. Please excuse my whiteness. It stars Hiruki Senata, Anna Saiwae, and Cosmo Jarvis, which is the funniest fucking name I've ever heard in my life. I use Jarvis AI. Yeah. Cosmo Jarvis is not a porn star name. This is an actual actor.
Sounds like AI written. Well, that's because you're thinking of Jarvis from... No. From Marvel. Tony's like AI assistant is named Jarvis. You know more about Marvel than you thought you did. It's deep in there. It's deep in the time. It's deep in the time. Okay. So, Show Gun is set in Japan in the year 1600. Lord Yoshi Tara Naga is fighting for his life. He's part of a council of regents. Cosmo Jarvis's character is named John Blackthorn. He is a pirate. He's trying
to disguise himself as a traitor. Trader, not traitor. He trades things. Oh. He's a traitor. People think he's a traitor. Okay. It's very similar to that movie starring Tom Cruise back in the day. Oh gosh. Last samurai. Oh god. But this is an incredible show. I'm going to chew my own horn for two seconds and it's going to be really annoying. I've been to Japan twice. I love Japanese culture. I do think that they're doing a really good job staying true, like culturally.
I'm learning a lot of words in Japanese that I didn't know before, which is funny. I'm having a hard time understanding how you just compared it to the Tom Cruise lusts. I know. So apparently this show is based on a true story. In the beginning, I felt like this is going to be whitewashing Japanese history a lot. But I don't feel like that show is doing this. So, John Blackthorn's character is an on-gen, which is pilots. So he's relating to their culture.
When they first find him, he keeps calling them barbarians. He's totally against Japanese culture. He doesn't know anything. Spoiler alert. He ends up falling for one of the women. He ends up getting accepted into their culture. Lord Yoshi takes him in as a student. It seems like he's going to get to know Japanese culture in a very deep and meaningful way. So I think that it's more respectful that the Tom Cruise movie. And I did keep saying to my husband we first watch the
show. If this white man is the main character of this show, I'm going to be so fucking pissed because that is going to be just so whitewashing. And he is one of the main characters. But I do feel like Lord Yoshi is the main character that we're kind of following. And so I'm really enjoying it so far. It's got great visuals, great action. I don't know. I'm going to pop show gun. I'm only
four episodes in now. What's it on? It is on. Hello. Oh, I really I'm healing. What have you guys been watching? So I don't know if you guys have seen quiet on set. Yeah. Oh my god, not yet. But I've seen you posting about it. Okay. Trigger warning. This is a very complex topic. And quiet on set is an expose documentary about Dan Schneider and Nickelodeon as a whole. This has been kind of a very popular topic that we have seen kind of in the last like five years talking. It was post me to
movement. I really feel where people started to look back at the abuse that was happening. Like the child star started to look backwards and say, okay, I don't necessarily think what happened to me was great. And they wanted to start looking back at it. Amanda Bines is a giant topic of discussion throughout this. It's four episodes. So it's on HBO Max. It is also on ID if you are still a cable pair. Totally. You know, love that for you. One of the best expose documentaries that I have seen,
I think for them to take on this subject was really, really complex. Now what is crazy about this documentary is Drake Bell did an interview. And Drake Bell was very famous when I was growing up. So I grew up in the Amanda show era. I was kind of on my way out of Nickelodeon and like Disney channel right at that time where Drake and Josh probably like right as that was the same ending. I love to Amanda show but Drake and Josh was like this. Those were the last of my child stars.
I love Josh peg. Yeah, I used to have a big giant crush on Drake Bell when I was younger. And he doesn't interview. And one of the crazy parts that if you follow the dance Shinder story you've seen is there was a vocal coach on the set of Nickelodeon that got convicted of sexually assaulting a child. And they never knew who it was. The person never came forward. It was never disclosed but he got 16 months in jail which is terrible. What do you mean? Yeah, that's disgusting. He never came out
until now. And he does this interview talking about what happened to him and all of this stuff. And I don't know if it was okay. So you're saying that Drake Bell came out as the plaintiff and before he was anonymous, right? Yes, he was 15. Got it. When the charges against Brian Pegg happened. No relation to Josh. Correct. Yes. And so he also worked with Leonardo DiCaprio. He has been seen around a lot of child stars. She says the really, really uncomfortable videos of him
like rubbing all over Leo when he's also that age range. Drake Bell is quoted saying that they want him to talk about what happened to him and their whatever you want to talk about. It's totally fine. He says, imagine the worst thing you could ever imagine happening in a sexual assault. That happened. And they they show a little bit of like the charges against it. And they talk a little bit about how when he goes in to give his statement at sentencing, the entire courtroom is filled with
all of these stars like James Marston is there. I can't even remember who Ellis is on there because it's just so atrocious. Yeah. But he talks a little bit about his speech and he basically says, you will all have to sit with the memory of you defending this man. And I will have to live the experience with this trauma did. And that you all sat here and tried to get him a lesser sentence. And he did get a lesser sentence. He got 16 months and right after getting out of prison, he started
working on his sweet life as Akhen Cody. He treated him to the Disney Channel. And the craziest thing about this is up until this situation happened. It's actually like because of this man. Now child predators can't work on sets where children are. And that just happened in 2015. You said, it was like, I'd never know. It was even after that. That's just out of the law before. And they talk a lot
about Jan Schneider. I think they couldn't really talk about the accusations of him also participating in things like that because they couldn't, they would have be seen. Yeah, their accusations. Yeah, but they do talk about him like abusing people. And the reason that they ultimately fired him from Nickelodeon was during the Me Too movement. And he was creating an abusive set for people. And he ended up departing it. And they talk a lot about that, but they don't really go into like the
rumors around Amanda Bines. Like they touch on it. They say that was some weird behavior. But yeah. And they touch on how uncomfortable it was. And I mean, we all saw the TikToks last year with the compilations of Ariana when she was on. Yeah, yeah. They have the Ariana clips in there. Yeah. Yeah, if you just type Dan Schneider creepy Ariana videos, they'll pull them right up there. Just stir big. Yeah. And you know, I do want to say that like Drake Bell has gone through his own
legal issues. He was arrested for attempted endangering of a child in disseminating matter, harmful to juveniles. So that none of this is to say, oh, any of that exonerates him. That's how it happened to you. And then you can turn around and do exactly. It's just this disgusting cycle of what was happened to you. Abused people abuse. And that's not an excuse for him at all. Because that's disgusting. But it's just sad as eye opening. Like we've had episodes before
about child stars, especially Nickelodeon and Disney stars. And they seem so happy at the time. And they create this illusion like when you're watching it. Oh, I wish I could be on Nickelodeon. I wish I was on Disney. And now years later now that we're all adults in kind of the same age. How famous occurs how it really was. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Interesting. Where can we watch that? Was it a show? Is it a show? It's a four-part docu-series. Amazing, amazing, amazing show.
Gonna give it a whirl. I don't think I've loved a documentary that much since like going clear. Which is also an HVU. Gonna give it a try. Do it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Pop it. Kind of backpilling on that before I go into my Janet McCurdy in her book. Yes. Mm-hmm. I'm glad my mom died. She even talks about Dan Schneider and how he abused her. Abused her.
Abused her. Yes. Thank you. And she kind of talked about it before. This old docu-series came out and she was the not the first one, but wanted to become very vocal about him before. I feel like maybe a lot of others because she just didn't care anymore. She wanted to get the word out. She was comfortable enough to talk about it. And it's just crazy that he was on sets in the head of Nickelodeon for so long
and abusing so many children for so long. Yeah. And it just sliding under the rug for so long. And it's disgusting. I think that she really was able to just highlight like how insidious. Yeah. That was to her psyche. I still remember that vine that she made where she she like has this crazy makeup and she's like laying on the ground and she says do you see what you've done to me, Dan Schneider? What? It's like a print today. I think I'd be there. Wow. Yeah. I was just fine to impose it.
I love vine. All right. Keep vine. Back in the day. Back in the day. Back in the trenches of the old memory bank. I quote vine. They just come out every once in a while. They're in there. They're deep in there. All right. What have you been watching Nicole or listening to Obsess with? I watched a movie called The Hill on Netflix. It stars Dennis Quaid and Colin Ford.
It came out in 2023 and it is an American biographical sports drama. And it is about a baseball player Ricky Hill overcoming a physical handicap in order to try out for a legendary Major's league scout. I feel like I've heard of Ricky Hill before. It is a true story. It's based on a true story. And he has a spinal condition to where it makes him. It's hard for him to walk. It's hard for him to use his legs. So he has these casts on his legs. And so obviously with baseball, you have to run
bases. You have to field the ball and everything like that. And Dennis Quaid in this movie is a pastor at a church. And Colin Ford, who is the baseball player Ricky Hill, he loves baseball. He wants to become a professional baseball player. But Dennis Quaid is pastor James Hill is not for this because he believes that it's kind of just going to injure him more and just doesn't think that it's good for him. But Ricky is all for it because he knows his ability. He believes in himself and
wants to pursue this. So there's the living in this little town and scouts come and Ricky kind of goes behind his dad's back and goes and tries out for these scouts. And he makes it because he hits the ball so far. He hits it way over the fence and onto this other field where the scouts are and the scouts are just impressed. They get hit in the head. They literally almost do. So the scouts are impressed and they want to see him try out more. Long story short, kind of a spoiler alert. He does
make it. Oh my god. He does. I'm shocked. Yeah. And Pastor James Hill does not support. He does not come to any single one of his games, which makes Ricky a little bit sad. But Daddy Dennis. I know. Daddy Pastor Dennis. Oh god. If I ever say Daddy Pastor again, please, unalive me. But it's a really good movie. It's really cute. Again, it is actually pretty uplifting. Uplifting sports movies remind me of Unicorn. Yeah. That's my jam. I know that anything sports are
now airplanes. I can rock. So I would definitely pop it. It is on Netflix again. Again, Dennis Quaid. I am obsessed with him ever since the parent trap, which is my favorite movie. If we didn't know, I think I mentioned that before that of after tomorrow. But I love that. Have you been loving all the parent trap Lindsey Lohan Contest? Yes. The Lohan sauce. Are we getting another one? No, but she did say that she's going to do another freaky Friday or Angelina. Yes.
And then why is she also doing because it's the Lohan sauce, Olivia. I want more. Okay. So, Olivia and I tried watching that Lindsey Lohan Christmas movie that came out of you a couple of years ago. The one where she gets like a concussion. Yes. It's so bad. I don't think I watched it. We finished it. We ended up on mute. We ended up on mute and just taking shots when things happen. We were like, okay, we're going to put it on mute and then we're going to guess what's
happening. We kept watching and we kind of like filled in the lines for like, oh my god. I'm my memory is coming back. That's what funny. We got a safe Christmas. And then we would take shots. And it was a great movie at that point. That's funny. But I am very happy for Lindsey. I am too. Speaking of Lindsey, I just want to pop one more thing actually. I did watch the new Mean Girls. I love Renee rap. Actually, because of Renee rap, I'm going to pop it. She is a hottie. Yes.
And I'm obsessed with her. So I'm going to pop it. It is a musical, which I knew going into it. But before it coming out, I did not know it. I knew it because of the people coming out of the theaters. Yeah. They've seen it on the Broadway musical. Yes. So it was pretty good. I cannot think of his name, but the original principal in it and Tina Fey, isn't it? Yeah. They're married in it. Yeah. It's really cute. And then is it like a continuation? It's not. It's a whole new movie,
but it's literally a remake of it. So the entire world universe, no, the entire movie is set up the same way as the first movie. And spoiler alert, I did not know this going into it. I'm spoiling it. Lindsay Lohan does make an appearance. Yeah. I didn't know either. She is the judge at the math competition. Oh my gosh. And I started freaking out. Yeah. So in the version that you watched,
did they have the firecrotch joke? Oh, I don't know. Okay. They took it out because people were like in an upper and Lindsay Lohan ended up being like, I don't like that you made a joke at my expense in a movie that I'm also literally. I don't know. I have to. I'm not going to go back and watch it for that. I would. I don't know. I think they took it out of the rental. Yeah. I don't care. I don't know what kind of little jokes they see those movies from back in the day and some of them are still
they hold up. And then you rewatch some movies and you're like, oh god, this would never get made today. Oh my god. They can't say that. No, it's basically all the same. It's a mean girl's. Yeah. Yeah. And then Busy Phillips is Regina George's mom. She looks just like Renee Rap. Yeah. Anytime I see her, I'm like, she looks like Busy Phillips. They did a very good job on making those two together. I love that. I'm going to have to give that a whirl.
On the note of the little Hannah signs, when I think of Lindsay Lohan, one of my favorite versions of her is her during her Samantha Ronson era, more specifically her in a breakup. And I'm really curious. Like what celebrity breakup sticks out in your mind the most as I guess iconic is a is a wrong word, but to kind of go from last week's episode, like what perpetually is your in a mind as the most crazy chaotic celebrity breakup? It's funny that celebrity breakups
are such pop culture. It's like we are all so obsessed. We love seeing people in love, but then when they break up, it's almost like we eat it up even more. We get so shocked. But at the same time, are you really that shocked? I don't know. I feel like some of these have been like, oh my god, let me clutch my pearls. I thought that love is forever. And then some of them, you go, yeah, of course they fucking broke it. I also think it's like everyone around you is just that hot.
How do you know? Everyone's hot. Everyone's rich. How do you know? Yes, especially if you're an actor like and we're kissing and you're attractive. Oh my god, I can't help that. I was just thinking about that. Okay, so I just started poor things last night. The time that this episode's released, hopefully I've finished the movie because I got halfway through. My husband has no interest in watching it. So when he was gone yesterday, I got halfway
through and they have some pretty like hardcore sex scenes in this movie. I've heard that. Yeah. I saw the same incident on Switzerland. Yeah, I won't. So far, it's interesting. But I'm thinking how do they film these without getting just so like shy and self-conscious? Because they are naked and humping and they're going to fall for each other. They have to look at the room. Look at that. Look at the real. Oh my god. Shout out to the sex scenes in the room.
How could they not fall for each other after that? Fuck all of the. Oh, flashback to Greg Sisterro and his interview with me saying that he had to do the dub for the sex scenes and it was just him and a microphone having to go. Oh. We really put his heart into it. Oh yeah. Anyway, thank you for that. You're welcome. You're welcome. A little ASMR. My favorite celebrity freaked out because both of these, okay, first of all, this is one of my guilty pleasure favorite
movies. I love Twilight. It's so bad that I've been loving. It's all of those movies are so bad. And I hadn't watched any of them until just like the last two years. And they're so bad that they're incredible. I say that the best movies to watch when you're hungover because your brain isn't like working and it's normal. So the pace of the movie and just the overall acting becomes much more tolerable. I'm putting like, yeah, it's also good. Like on my phone movie,
where I have big screen and little screen time. Oh, geez. Great. I love you. It needs all the screens to make it through one day of functioning. You never know. I feel bad. We're going to freak you with it. We live alone. We live alone. She needs all of the voices at all times. So one of my favorite celebrity breakups is Kristen Stewart and Robert Pattinson. That is an iconic. It's an iconic breakup. So they first kind of sparked dating rumors
when they were in those first couple Twilight movies together. They did their best to deny that they were dating. Oh, we're just friends. We're just friends. They won an MTV VMA award for best kiss. And they kind of tease like they were about to kiss on stage and then didn't. I remember watching that and we all lost our minds and dead. Yeah. So eventually they did make their debut together and they were very much a couple cut to where you team Jacob or team Edward. Oh team.
I said team Jacob. Okay. But the more that I watched these movies, oh, you went for the old dude. The more you watched it. No, I'm just Bella being fucking single and not Mary. Okay. I sure like you. No, no, no. I was team Jacob because I was like he's a rat childhood friend. He really cares about her. But then he becomes really creepy and possessive. But Edward's creepy and possessive the whole time. So I just think Bella needed to go to a liberal arts college, fine lesbianism, just
live her life, not be with any of us. And that's that Kristen Stewart. And that person's back to Kristen Stewart. So in 2012, Kristen Stewart was photographed kissing the director of a movie that she was in. His name was Rubbert Sanders. The film was no white in the hands. He was married. So these popper arts pictures of them being caught are so iconic. I like in the pop culture like Sikon. They really all thought that case stew is they are case to Kate Pat or whatever. I think they have
both. But case to I think or taste to his her name is him. Well, maybe they were. Our student. I don't know. They had. Yeah, they were. They were. Oh, we were still. When we were deep in that stew. Yeah, we were sitting in that sip in the broth. Yeah. I used to try to be like, I'm different. I like the Harry Potter Robert Pattinson more. Oh my god. I was so cool. You're you're still really cool. Thank you. I was so cool that I never read Twilight.
I never saw the movies until I was 33 years old. I never read the books. I tried to read one and it's just not good writing. It's really. It's really giving my. Given my watch the movie when your brain is less working. And it's a grand old time theory. I think you can just stick with the movies. And at least be listening to a bad story, but looking at hot people. Yeah. So everyone's very attractive in Twilight and shirtless. And there's a lot of.
That's right. And they also did like the Spider-Man thing where they were like, oh, we're going to make our leads date. Yeah. Okay. So what I think happened here. Okay. So Chris and Stewart is photograph kissing her director. She releases an apology. The momentary indiscretion is jeopardized. The most important thing in my life. The person I love and respect the most. Rob. I love him. I love him. I'm so sorry.
There's a picture of him leaving her house very distraught. They rekindle their relationship very briefly in like 2013 before finally calling a quits. And everyone thinks, oh, God, she fucked up. I can't believe she cheated. And sure, yeah, I'm not condoning cheating on your boyfriend, obviously. This director man is the one that needs to be buried. He was married. He had a position of power over her. He was her director in Snow White and the Huntsman. Right. I'm not condoning what she did
either. But it seems like and she's come out with quotes re like in the past couple of years that kind of say, everybody wanted me and Rob to be together. So bad. The trash. It was so much pressure. And the public was so fucking obsessed with Twilight. And they wanted the co-stars to just be together. So bad. You know, kiss. Even if her and Rob. Sure. Had some sexual tension. They're both very attractive
people. They hung out a few times. They like each other. They dated. Everyone was so obsessed with them and wanted them to be together. It added that extra pressure to their relationship. She had a moment of weakness, you know, like I'll cut her some slack for that. She's come out as LGBTQ. Since then she's engaged to a woman. Robert Pattinson has a kid on the way. Yeah. Zuki Watterhouse. Yeah. And so they're both very fine and a very much moved on from Twilight.
I hope so. Yeah. Oh my gosh. And then she'll say in interviews like, how would you feel if somebody asked you about your relationship when you were in high school? You would be like, are you fucking kidding me? Get over it. Oh my god. If people still came to me and asked me about my high school boyfriend, I'd be like, I don't know what he's doing. I got cookies fine. It's probably making a woman a
nice scrapbook. I'm sure that he's got 16 children and they're a church right now. And I'm glad for them. Yeah. And Kristen Stewart was also photographed at his birthday a couple of years ago. So they're chill making yeah. Hang out with each other. But the grasp that that breakup and that affair had on pop culture was a little like on it. Yeah. I think it was like a proximity thing. Where? Yeah. You spend that this time around someone. Absolutely. I mean, you're a young and dumb and full of
calm. Your hormones are racing. You're making out and set. You're like, it's giving Marcia and Greg Brady. And like when they were recording the show in the 60s, like the actors. Okay. Not that they were brother. Is that in says? No, because they're brother and the bradish and the show. It's still weird. But yeah, the actors were just all around each other. And they were all teenagers. Of course, they're going to get to know each other in a physical
car in a way. Okay. Yeah. So that's my favorite celebrity breakup. Who wants to go to an iconic iconic? The celebrity relationship that I ponder on quite a bit is Chris Jenner and Caitlin Jenner, disclaimer for this podcast this episode. I am going to be calling her Caitlin. I know at the time of the relationship, it was Bruce, but I'm going to be calling her Caitlin because she is Caitlin now. Love it. So just want to put a disclaimer there really quick.
So the two began dating in April of 1991, a pair tied the knot five months after dating. Only five months. Yes. Just one month after Chris finalized the divorce from Robert Kardashian. You might not know this. So sorry, if I'm not good question. Was Chris still married to Robert when he died? No, at the time, Caitlin was married to Chris. Got it. Okay. So Robert died after the divorce. Yes. Got it. Thank you. And then in November 95, that you had Kendall together while Chris already had
Courtney came Chloe and Robert Kardashian with Robert Kardashian. And Caitlin had children of her own with a previous relationship. Brody Jenner. We owe new. Wait, no, doesn't he look like he's past, oh no, that's Scott Dysic. Doesn't he look like he's passing away? No, that's Scott Dysic. I get Scott Dysic and Brody Jenner mixed up my head. I'm salty. No Brody Jenner. He's beautiful. I can't remember Brody's brother's name, but he is all Brandon. Wait, there's Brandon Brandon. Brandon Jenner
is so hot. I need to Google all of these people. Quick. I'm so sorry. I'm French with Andrew this weekend. And he did know the difference between Kendall Jenner and Kylie Jenner. And he goes, my mom, those are two separate people. And I had to show him pictures. And I've never the meme where the lady's looking at all the man. And he goes, those are two different women. And I say, wow, they're sisters to live in that life. He goes, she just, and then I said,
this is what they used to look like. And that's what legal kick now. And he goes, but those are four separate people now. You're showing me four different people. I mean, I can't blame them. Anyway, yes, these are all beautiful people and wealthy people. Yes, continue. And then in August of 97, the two had Kylie Jenner. Got it. Yeah. And Caitlin was famous from winning the Olympics. Yes. Yes. Caitlin is a very decorated athlete. Is famous from the OJ Simpson
trial? Yes. Yes. And just talk about the through lines to so many things. I like it. In that story, where you're just like a card, A she ends the OJ. Yeah. Talk about pop culture iconography, that white bronco. And do we think that OJ is Chloe's dad? No, I think that's a topic or a different day. That's a different. She has many different dads. Yeah. Many, many suspected ones. I mean, they had a little episode on it where I've never seen an episode of the kind of. She did like a DNA test.
And Chris was being weird about it. And she never said good storyline episode. So they've got into people. Oh, like Chris don't even know. Of course. The devil works hard. Chris Jenner. Yeah. She really does. That one. Let's do it. And then in October of '07, this is when keeping up with the Kardashians. Happened. Yeah. So Caitlin really did not seem happy. Not in the beginning. Yeah. Not in the beginning.
She did not care. And it was funny because I agree. Like I've never like I said seen an episode. And that's not a flip or anything. I've never seen an episode of this show. I've seen clips. I am what they call a pop culture junkie. I am what they call better than me. That makes you feel so good about all the movies I have never watched. Everyone. I don't shame people for what they like. What you are into in pop culture is up to you. I don't really seasons are amazing.
I am trashy reality. So I could see how I would have been into it when it first did. But I just never. I was too busy with rock of love bus. And then in August of 2011, the two had their 20th anniversary together. And they renewed their wedding vows in a family vacation in Bora Bora. And I want to say that this was that I could be so wrong on this. But the Bora Bora part just was thrown out there to me. That this could be the time where Kim lost her diamond earring in the ocean.
Kim there are people who are dying. Yeah. Saga. Which is another great iconic celebrity breakup. That also is such good. I love a messy breakup. I love it. I love hearts breaking across the world. Yeah. After 72 days. I don't know about that part. But I love I love to know the details intimately. I love the sound of love. So I love a chaotic celebrity. Who's just going to let me know it all? I love it. I love messy lacks of love.
Yeah. I think the most interesting part of their breakup as well is who's breakup? Kim and Chris or Caitlin and Chris. Yeah. Caitlin. I was like, what is your favorite? Why is everyone this Robert and Chris in this story? Chris Jenner and Caitlin Jenner. Okay. Is that this was Caitlin announcing her transition. And she did it with Diane's wire. Yes. And Chris was very silent. She did not participate in it. And so you've got to hear this really uplifting story.
And it was an amazing documentary and interview. And then taking through the story of Caitlin like kind of finding this out and making this decision. Yeah. Chris did not speak until the Kardashians came in. And the way that Chris spun the narrative and got the kids to get in on it and really start to villainize Caitlin. It became this very interesting press story. Yeah. And unfortunately, Caitlin's book was not very kind to Chris at all. Yeah. So now it's even more
resentful. So when Caitlin and Chris got a divorce, was this before or after that iconic magazine cover where she said, I am Caitlin, the Diane Sawyer interview. Separated before they separated in October 2013. And Caitlin did not come out yet to the public. Chris knew because Caitlin would do stuff in the house privately. Where women's clothing. Yes. And Chris told her, hey, if you need to do this,
that's totally okay. But please do not do it in the house. If you need to do it in your own business trips and stuff, bring whatever you need to do and do it there. But please just don't do it in the house around the kids. I don't know. But whatever happened happened. Chris knew about the stuff, I guess, maybe she did. Maybe she didn't. But that was like the hard-ass you and show narrative. Yeah. I think it's interesting. Yeah. But she's like, no, you're with someone who knows. So who
knows? I mean, so I do think that like we do have to tread carefully here because you know, I can see that it would be exactly as a person who is cisgendered like I can't imagine what it is like to go your entire life questioning yourself like that, feeling like you're in the wrong body. And I totally, you know, kudos to anybody who feels great enough to come out. Having said that,
I do feel also for your spouse in that situation. So for Chris gender is probably strange. And you've been with this person who has been identifying as a man for decades and it's your partner and the father of children and now they're telling you they've been a woman this whole time. And I could see in a lot of situations, I've seen couples who go, we're going to make this work. We're going to make this work. We're going to stay together. And then I've seen other couples who have gone, you know
what? I still love you. I have a lot of love for you. I'm not attracted to, I don't think our sexual components of our relationship work anymore. And that's fine. Yeah. And then they respectfully get a divorce. Yeah. I also want to point out that Caitlin Jenner fucking sucks. We were all rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. Dude, I think it does become an interesting juxtaposition. Yeah,
Caitlin Jenner, you know, could have been such an amazing person. The person is also a terrible person. Oh, I mean, all fucking Kardashian Jenner's are sucking some way. But Caitlin Jenner is anti-LGBTQ. I mean, a night-wing anti-trans bathroom. I very much. I'm very rich. And I had, she can pass. She has enough money to have the surgeries to get done for these things. And doesn't really think about people in other positions. Trans people who don't have their resources that she does.
Fuck Caitlin Jenner. Also, it is a very interesting, like, navigation of the story. Yeah. Yeah. I think Kris Jenner's ability to control a narrative will always be interesting and will be studied forever. And like that type of reality supremacy over all that time. Over the narrative. You know, when you think about like, Caitlin's children, I mean, her and like, Kris' children, they're all still cool with both of them kind of thing. Yeah. I know.
Kardashians really aren't speaking to her, but the Jenner's too. Okay. So like, and then we're out of each energy. Kylie, you're so good with Caitlin. Yeah. More so Kendall. I know too much about this. I don't even know what the Kardashian's got too much of a brain. So mine's a little Kardashian adjacent. Interesting. I think one of the most iconic breakups in my mind is Jalina, which is Justin and Kardashian Lee. Isn't everything in life. And so like a true Charlie from Always Sunny
Headcase, I was writing down like why I think this is such a crazy story. And I started off with major players. And I'm going to read them to you because I think it's a stage. So Justin and Selena, very obvious one here. You know, GoFinger. We have a Haley, which we all know. Haley Baldwin Bieber. Haley Baldwin. Buh-buh-buh-buh. Hey, buh-buh-buh. Haley Road. Beautiful, beautiful skin. Beautiful. Kendall Jenner or Landel Bloom Miranda Kerr. Katie Perry. Where's the show?
The way that you don't know this. Oh my god, I'm going to boil. I mean, I know that I have to pee so bad too. This is awful. This is terrible timing. I know. And you're about to go out of the plant. We've like seven minutes. I know. I know. I'm about to go out of fucking random. Okay. Well, you can hold it for seven minutes. But if I don't, sweetheart, you need to work on your, your, I'm ready. I'm ready for you to tell me about every celebrity known to man in this
octagon. Okay. So Katie Perry, Sophia Richey. There's more. The reason that this is, I think that this breakup sticks out in my mind is it actually happens over a six year period because they are getting you back together. They're breaking up. They're getting back together. They're breaking up. They're getting back together. The weekend has to come into this. He does. Oh, I forgot to
write him down. Yeah. It's spider webbing. We're truly Charlie with the red string. And so the first time that these two like get together in like 2008, Justin and Selena and they were really cute. Justin Bieber was like pre-pubescent. It was so cute. Yeah. And he was like doing interviews like I mean she's cute. And Selena's a little bit like a year older than him a year and a half. And so she's like, well, yeah, find me in a few years when you're older. And so they have this like,
well, they won't they? So people were really interested in them. And they're starting to go through it just and starting to kind of have his like rebellious era where he was like he and he got up. No, he peed in the bucket at a restaurant. He was like, I can get a house. So he started to get like this bad boy image. And so for the first time, Justin, Selena break up in 2012 in kind of a rapid succession. They're getting back together. What's really interesting about this couple is
they're one of the first Twitter and Instagram celebrities like teen celebrities. How old are they at this point when they break up? They're still like they're like, like teens early 20s or maybe like 22 or whatever. So they're bit this. And so Justin is kind of confirmed that he started getting into drugs at this point. And so he was like starting to go down a worse path. And so they break up in this time
and then get back together. And because social media was a thing, a lot of their fights and getting back together, they were posting each other. So it was really kind of this like messy era. It was like Brianna popping off at people on Twitter era where somebody just didn't really know how to handle these social media sites yet. And they weren't super. But I love those throwbacks to celebrities using Twitter and the early odds. And like just you look back at them now. And they're just
yeah. And then kind of okay. So they get back together. They're breaking up kind of all over like 2013 and 2012. And all of a sudden these pictures of Orlando Bloom and Selena Gomez outside of a club in a different country. And they're like smoking cigarettes together on the curb. Okay. I would love to be there. I would love to smoke a cigarette. I would love to be there. I would love to be in that
mode. It starts to become like buying items and like speculation is that Orlando and Selena hooked up in that her and Justin aren't together anymore. Okay. If there was a sex room about everyone I've ever smoked a cigarette with. Oh wow. Sorry dad. There would be zero. I've never smoked. There would be so. What is that? Never tasted one of those kind of in rabbits' accession. So those pictures come out
right off of that. Justin is doing the Victoria's Secret Show. That's right. He tries to sleep with Miranda Kerr. Oh my god. Who is Orlando Bloom's girlfriend. X-Wife. Okay. And mother of his child. And then Justin and Orlando get in a fight in Mekanos. Fish fight. I did see that. And this is all in 2014. They get enough fish fight. Okay. Okay. Oh, they don't believe so. Grown as man. Yeah. But Justin was
like 22 at that point. I don't want to end up in the row now. But this the mother of his child. All of her retaliate against Selena. And so they get enough fish fight in this like club in Mekanos. And so they're like going back and forth. And they're like breaking up on and off the weekends in there somewhere. I think it done the dates. And Justin is kind of rapidly declining on this drug binge. Yeah. And the reason that I think this is so interesting. It has like all the strama, all these
connected players. Then you also had a hill song. So you also have like a cult. You could say at what place Justin say that I found Jesus. I'm fine now. Yeah. Exactly. And then in 2017, Justin and Selena are seen without anyone around them without any bodyguards that they are seen on Skid Row in a place where people are known to go and buy drugs. And so they're like kind of having this like drug-fueled crazy
romance. Each other's first love. They're going into all this. And this is kind of around the time where Haley starts to pop up a lot because she attends Hillsong. Yeah. She attends Hillsong and her and Justin are friends. And so kind of inner mixed in this. He is with Haley. But she says like publicly there in an open relationship. And then he's with Sofia Richie. And it gets back with Selena Gomez. And then right after that, they break up within like a month and a half. Six months later,
he's engaged and married. That's who we mean so fucking. And so that's the crazy. He's seen on Skid Row with Selena in 2017. He marries Haley in 2018. And then the iconic ballad of Luzida Love Me comes out in early 2019. Selena Gomez. Selena Gomez. Luzida Love Me. Somewhere in here is also Purpose, which is one of the most iconic albums ever from Justin Peevers. But I could just think about it forever. There's so many spider graphs in people. And then you can also add in Diddy and Usher and
Ellie Reed. Because that's how Justin got a start. He used to have to go spend weekends with Diddy at his home. Oh no. Well, Diddy sucks. Well, yeah, he was also abusing kids like usher. Diddy was? Jesus Christ. So there's such a web. I need a web. I'm going to go to your house after the news. I just see all of this. When we were talking about quiet onset, I need you to actually sit Andrew down in front of the TV and say, you need to watch this and just say Olivia. Talk about
Olivia. I knew this. Olivia. Do this. Call all the backpack. Yeah. You know, I'll say something. You know, be like, do you'll live you until you then? Yeah, she did. Yeah. And she's right. Now there's an expose a documentary for parts, buddy. Justin and Selena is really interesting though, because they were so cute. We were all really. They were so cute. They were first loves. It was so. Yeah. And there's
this part of us that all kind of roots for first loves. We know it's not going to work out. I mean, rarely if there's anyone out there who's like, I married my first love, like good for you. Good for you. You are the exception. You had a little fun. Some world. But you have 16 promise rings like maybe. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that doesn't sound very fun. But it's just like the hill song of it all
to so interesting. It's like Justin tries to revamp his image by coming out publicly as a Christian and attending this church, which is kind of famously homophobic and a lot of celebrities attend. Yeah. Where he meets Hayley. And Hayley in the past has tweeted about how much she loves Justin and Selena and how much she shipped them. So she's always been kind of like a Justin Bieber fan. And they get married that like so fast after dating and they're so young. Also on ID is a great
Hillsong documentary. They talk about the kind of abuse that they enact on people in the mind control and all that. So would definitely check it out. I mean, I could go on and on and on about this because there's so many different ones. We have an episode about Hillsong and just like the celebrities who are involved in like religious cults and stuff. You can talk about your religious drama. Oh my god. I love talking about my religious drama. Yeah. I love that. Okay. And now
Selena Gomez. I really like her and Benny Blanco together. Yeah. People are so fucking harsh on him. I don't care that this guy is not a super model. They seem like they're really happy together. Wasn't he mean about her like a year ago? Was he? I haven't seen anything about that. I don't know enough about it. From what I've seen, they've been really sweet and like seem really into each other and he seems really funny and he's got great cooking. Yeah. If anybody, if I miss something,
somebody please. He's a very his own person. Yeah. And people give him shit and all the comments that I've seen because he's not his personally attractive. Yeah. And you know, we're curious. Yeah. I don't know. You can definitely find that. Yeah. Oh, but yeah, I think a lot of what's so interesting about this is just the human nature of it, even people that you really see a lot of success and so go through these very human experiences. Yeah. I think about them all the time, but you know, Shana,
Nicole, I think we need to spend some time apart now. Oh, God. I knew this was coming. But don't worry, this break up will only last a week. Thank God. We're going to be on the Justin Selena train. We're going to go back once a week together. And so we'll be back next week for another new episode of the pop culture junkie podcast. Nicole and Shauna, where can your fans find you on social media?
You can find me Nicole on Instagram, my antichock, @nicole_eldridge. You can find me, Shauna, on Instagram and threads and Depop. Oh, by my shit. She thrifty. She thrifty, baby. @shaunatrinidad S-H-A-U-N-A-T-R-I-N-I-D-A-D. Please don't ask me to wear the body suits before I sell them to you. They are clean. They have been washed. Unless. Unless. I'm just going to pay extra. She want to pay me enough money for that new down payment. Yes. And you can find me Olivia on Instagram
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