Squid Game

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Netflix's Korean drama Squid Game became a worldwide phenomenon, winning six Emmys and inspiring countless Halloween costumes. Now the series has reached its finale, and we've got thoughts. I'm Stephen Thompson. we are talking about Squid Game on Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. On the minus side, you get fewer chances to tap fast forward on your podcast player. On the plus side, you get to support something you care about. On the minus side, you like challenges and think this makes it too easy.

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Joining me today is Jayhawk Kim. She's a syndicated columnist whose work runs in the Chicago Tribune. Welcome, Jayhawk. Hi, Stephen. I'm so happy to be here and talk about this. I am so happy to have you. We have so much to get into. Oh, my gosh. dropped in 2021, it told what felt like a complete story. Lee Jung-jae plays Sung Gi-hoon, a gambling addict who's fallen deep into debt. Soon he's recruited to participate in a competition in which 450

56 desperate people play children's games with life and death stakes. As the losers die in violent and bloody fashion, we learn more about the players and about a system that exploits their desperation and death. In season two, Gi-hun attempts to use his winnings to put a stop to the games, only to get pulled back into another round. We meet new players, many of whom are quickly slaughtered, and see Gi-hun attempt an unsuccessful coup against those running the games.

story concludes with a third season in which many threads are woven together, the latest games conclude more people die, and many plots are resolved involving the various forces working to end the games, including a detective, a rogue employee, and Gi-hun himself. Squid Game is streaming now on Netflix. Jay Hakim, what are your overall impressions of season three?

I thought that season one was complete, as you said, and it didn't need any sequels. But that said, I was looking forward to these season two and season three. And I enjoyed it. I thought the ending could have ended with the penultimate scene instead of how they did do it. And that would have made it stronger overall. But I enjoyed it. I've seen what people said where they were like, oh, it's repetitive. The games, you know, they took.

too long on voting. It was just weird. But I thought it was compelling. It's highly watchable. I actually found the voting stuff really compelling in season two because it introduces democracy as kind of the show of. personal freedom, even though it leads to the same end. Right. Like, I thought that stuff was really interesting. And they kind of abandoned it in part, I think, because it's just so obvious how it's going to go.

Like eventually you kind of commit yourself to then having to go through these dramatic votes. Well, they're not going to be like, all right, now we're all going to go home with $30,000.

I found it highly watchable as well, but I also agree with a lot of those criticisms. I think any time this season kind of takes you away from the games, which it does quite a bit, it loses a little bit of momentum. We spend a lot... of time with this north korean kind of rogue employee who is trying to bring the games down from the inside we get quite a bit of the detective and the boat captain and all the intrigue around kind of trying to get to the island from the outside

side. That stuff for me... kind of ground the show to a halt a little bit. I found it the most compelling when it was focused on kind of the most immediately endangered players. And one of the icky subtexts of Squid Game is it's most exciting when it's showing you this bloody violent kind of real life reality tv show with these life and death stakes that stuff is kind of the most naturally compelling in a way that is intended to make you feel

Each one of these games plays out like a pocket horror movie. And as such, they are very compelling. We're going to go ahead and spoil major plot points in this season. So consider...

yourself warned uh in the second episode of season three jun he she's the pregnant woman playing alongside her ex-boyfriend jun he gives birth to a baby girl who becomes a major major plot point jun he is played by The baby becomes a player in the games after Jun-hee dies. Gi-hun becomes the baby's protector as the other players are conspiring against both of them. In the end...

Gi-hun sacrifices his own life so that the baby can win the money. And while the Korean game facility is destroyed in that final episode, there's a final scene, which J-ha has referenced, set in LA where we see... see an American version of Squid Game starting to take shape with a recruiter played by none other than Cate Blanchett. All right, let's go again. As you wish.

Jeha, let's start with the Cate Blanchett of it all. What did you make of that? First of all, I think we all love Cate Blanchett. I mean, she's a phenomenal actor. But in this series, it was just so out of place. Everyone's going to be comparing her to the Gong Yoo, the Korean recruiter. And for me, it just did not work out. I would have preferred if they would have brought her in as the surprise guest as like the alpha. I mean...

How great could she have been in that? Like she takes off the mask and there she is. And you know, you would have just heard her voice and be like, I know who that is. That's Kate. That's Kate. You know, it's not through any fault of hers, but it's just sort of like it was tacked on almost like it's an ad. for a potential series, because I guess the rumor is that David Fincher is going to be working on the American version of the series.

I don't know. It just seemed like a huge waste of talent to me. Yeah, it certainly feels like it's setting something up. Why would you bring in Cate Blanchett if you weren't going to make something of that in some future season or series? You alluded to the fact, Jeha, that...

We get a lot of the VIPs in this season. And really one of the very best things about season two was that it... They weren't there. In case you're listening to this and you haven't seen season one, these games are being played out for the benefit... of these extremely wealthy patrons.

They're coded as Americans. Their accents are a little all over the place. They are generally speaking, not exclusively, but generally speaking, white people. And they're clearly meant to portray kind of these vicious, immoral, massively... wealthy people. They are written so badly. They are acted so badly. And they come back with a vengeance and we see them kind of again and again.

You would think maybe if you have access to a Cate Blanchett, you might cast, if not Cate Blanchett, known quantities. Right, right. To me, the VIPs took me out of the universe more so than the lack of the games and the blood and the fights you were talking about earlier. I don't know really why they're there. I think the series could have gone on without them, having them sort of implied but not seen or hearing from them. But, you know...

On the other hand, I did see some stuff on social media where people are like, you know, they represent – actually, I don't know what they represent, but they like the representation. Well, yeah, they represent the deep, deep well of – amorality slash immorality behind this stuff. When you think about it, in this season, I think they kind of set up that Myungi, the father of the baby, he in many ways is more immoral than the VIPs. The VIPs are doing all this.

for their entertainment. And that's always been something that we've grown accustomed to. Myungi is willing to sacrifice his child. I mean, at first I thought that his story arc would show that, oh no, he would do everything to save his baby. But I don't think that was the case. I think it was between him and anyone. He would have been the survivor because he would have made it that way. I don't know. When there's baby involved, I just can't.

I just can't wrap my arms around a character like that. Yeah, so Myungi is the crypto bro who's the father of the baby in question. If you didn't have an actor of the caliber of Im Siwon playing that character who takes, who kind of is taking... heel turns seemingly has a redemption arc and then another heel turn

It takes a really strong actor to pull that off. I found his character arc among the most interesting of this kind of second wave of players, in part because I found that performance very, very... committed and intense one of the best if not the best on the show i was personally thinking that Oh, it's MC1, so of course I like him. And even when he was showing that he wasn't a good guy, I literally had hope. I had hope that he would change. And that last...

Oh, my God. When he had the baby and he knew that the baby was just a prop. He's literally dangling a baby over a precipice. And it's like I had no doubt that he would drop that baby so that he could live. That to me was one of the most compelling scenes. It was not what I expected. It was not what I had hoped for. And when he, you know, catapulted down and...

Pretty much just fell and died. I was kind of like, oh, no, but okay, but the baby's alive. That was the more important thing for me, you know, because he was not a good father. You and I are both parents. We are both very easily manipulated by babies. Totally. I'm glad you brought up.

the baby again, because that's kind of the last thing I wanted to talk about here, which is the way the baby is used as a plot device in this season. We meet Jun-hee in season two. We know she's pregnant. It's Chekhov's... baby, right? It's Chekhov's pregnancy. You know she is at some point going to give birth and that a baby is going to be a factor in the show. But the baby winds up becoming kind of the driving narrative impulse of the third season.

I just don't know that it entirely worked. Starting with the fact that she goes into labor and gives birth. During the span of a 30-minute game, anyone who has ever given birth or known somebody who has given birth vaginally knows that that is not a process that takes 15 to 20 minutes. No. I found that so silly. And obviously, there's always going to be a certain amount of suspension of disbelief. But...

man, that baby just never stops being a kind of a plot device. Well, and I think in this show, which is unbelievable in so many ways, and that's what we're meant to believe, a lot of us didn't believe that you could have a baby that quiet. that long under duress. I mean, if I had been dangling my son over a precipice, he would be able to sense that danger, you know? And there would be crying and squawking and the will to survive. Yeah, not since a quiet place. Yes.

Has a baby been kind of a more problematic presence when it comes to the plot of a show? But you would agree. I mean, Jeha, you kind of said at the top of this, like, this is still watchable. Yes. You would say flawed.

but extremely compelling. Right. I mean, I would say the first season is a must-see. The second and third season should be seen together. I think people would enjoy it more that way. But, you know, I can't forgive that ending. It just did not work. Unfortunately, that is a remainder of what I will think of the series, what I will think of how it ended. I was like, it didn't have to end that way. It should have ended with the front man after he gave the money and the bloodied 456.

track suit to Gi-hun's daughter. I think that would have just been so much stronger. I think viewers would have reflected on that ending as sort of like, this is what his life came to. He died rich. You know, not poor like he started, but he still died. He has no life. Yeah, I'm remixing this show in my head. I'm moving that last scene to a post-credits scene. Well, we want to know what you think about Squid Game. Find us at facebook.com.

That brings us to the end of our show. Jayhakim, thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me on again. I love this. Thank you, Stephen. And just a reminder that signing up for Pop Culture Happy Hour Plus is a great way to support our show and public radio.

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