¶ Welcome and Introduction
welcome everyone to politically high tech with your host , elias . I have a guest here and you know I'm just gonna say this sometimes , just sometimes , we just go back , go back , go back , breathe , instead of going with the trend . Trend , the cloud , the clicks just keep moving and moving and moving . Just find some time to be a bit silent .
If you don't , well , I got a solution for you here , a very good one , that will reflect I hope you reflect life , because a lot of us are just forgetting that . I'm first I . I want to talk to the youngins . It's like I'm your older brother , the Gen Zers . Y'all just move too fast , to the point that you're just hitting a bunch of walls .
You're looking more foolish because y'all don't slow down . Look , I get it . You got internet and all that . But take time to step back , take time , take time to be alone a little bit . That's scary for some of you . That silence is just gonna hit you hard because you're just so used to going .
And for those of you who are paying attention to the audio , you're going , you're going this freaking fast without processing anything properly . You're only processing the best bits and pieces of every split second and then you've got a screwed up understanding .
So I'm happy that I actually encountered this and we need to slow down and before I get into this book , because it is needed , let's introduce the guests . She's ready , with smiling , waiting patiently . Not gonna go along with my monologues not my style unless I think it's too darn important .
Yes , I'm using super pg language today , all right , you know , you know my vulgar . You go to yellow episodes if I'm vulgar , controversial , I got different modes , okay , this one's gonna be more pg , okay , or you know , if a little swear happens , so be it . I am pro free speech . I'm pro 1a .
I don't want the democrat or republican flavor of it , because they both have messed up . They both are dishonest , okay , just to put it simple and plain . So let's introduce this guest here . She's been smiling and waiting patiently and I'm going to shut up and end this monologue quickly . Let's welcome Terry M Brown . She has a lovely smile .
She's just can't wait to spill her wisdom . It's not , it's not just for show . It's not just for show , as wisdom , as substance behind it . It's not just a show . It has wisdom , it has substance behind it . It's not a fake smile . I'm a little cringe For those of you who are viewing or getting intrigued how silly I look , those of you on audio .
Just think of someone who's cringing and smiling . Just use that imagery for those who are just listening to the audio version . Okay , so let's welcome Terry M Brown . Let's just give an introduction . Since you're new , you could go long-winded about it . That's the privilege of the new guests . And what do you want the listeners and the viewers to know about you ?
All right . Well , first of all , thank you , elias . I'm really excited to be here today , Super happy to have you Really excited that you read the book . I think that's amazing because a lot of times people don't take that time before they talk . So about me I'm an author , I've written well , I've written a lot of different things .
I started out maybe 12 years ago . 15 years ago I wrote some nonfiction stuff in the real estate space under a different name . I was married to someone else at the time , and so I've got those books that were out . And then I started writing fiction .
And I've got those books that were out and then I started writing fiction and I've got three historical fiction books out this year . I also put out a children's picture book , and that's out . Because I'm a grandma and my granddaughter said , gigi , when are you going to write a book for me ? And of course I said now , right now , sweetheart .
And so I got that out . But the book that really has my heart and soul right now is my 10 Little Rules for a Double-Butted Adventure , and that's my . I call it kind of like an inspirational memoir with some guided journaling , and this book it explains kind of a lot about who I am and how I got to be where I am now .
But in addition to an author , I'm also a podcast host . So I have a podcast called Online for Authors , where I talk with other authors about their books . I well , I'm a cyclist , I play bridge , I love a good bargain , I'm a mom , I'm a grandma , I'm just , I love life .
I absolutely love life , and so that's kind of where I am , that's who I am , that's a nice introduction .
You can extend that if you want . I mean , look , everyone loves a good deal of your savvy shopper . I don't care if you live in the city or in a rural area , I don't care if you have a green skin color or a purple skin color , everyone loves a good deal . You want to save the green , the money green , I'm talking about Absolutely .
I'm wearing a green skin color or purple skin color , everyone loves a good deal . You want to save the green , the money green , I'm talking about absolutely I'm wearing a green shirt too interesting . The green , the green theme is coming in and she has some green in her lovely flowery shirt as well .
Green green , maybe symbolism , or maybe I'm just making things up . We'll see how it goes , because I don't orchestrate these conversations on the natural free floor . I love natural conversations . I don't , you know , I'm not telling my guests oh no , you gotta talk about this . You got five seconds to answer a complicated , open-ended question . No , that's ridiculous .
And watch the mainstream media and go berserk . Okay , the podcast is for if you want to dig deep , get into the deep right , absolutely stuff with substance , not just oh you know just some stupid clicks . So you say something crazy , outrageous and there you go , that's all your attention span focuses on . I mean , come on , this is just it .
It's ridiculous , it's not . This is not the kind of form for it . Don't get me wrong , I enjoy that stuff , just like you . But this podcast is , this is development here . This is the most happy , most laid back , least confrontational , least controversial for the most part , except if you want to dive into the spirits and all that .
I got some guests who will rock your mental world , but we're not going to get into that let's get into the simple lessons that are naturally and I love the one that's naturally inclusive , right , naturally inclusive . You don't have to be , you don't have to , you know , go with God or Buddha , all these other deities you believe in .
That's fine , you believe in those , or you don't even have one . These lessons are very practical and very inclusive . I think the only discrimination is the other people
¶ Meeting Terry M Brown: Author and Adventurer
just rejecting it because you don't want to learn . Oh , you created that discrimination . You did yes , if you feel attacked , good , because sometimes you are your own worst enemy . It's not always the other . It is not always the other . Before we get into that , what inspired you to write this book ? You could have just said who cares about these people ?
I'll just keep all this good wisdom to myself .
We started in Astoria , oregon , and we rode to Washington DC . That's 3,102 miles , and I am not an athlete . This , in fact , when I met my husband . We met in 2018 .
And when we met , I had not been on a bicycle in 40 years , so this was not something that was like , hey , terry's just going to go out and do Terry , but I had been wanting to do something big and bold and adventurous . I had been in an abusive relationship for 14 years .
I had gotten out of that relationship , but I tell people that just because you get out of something like that doesn't mean that you are instantaneously well . Okay , I had a lot of healing that had to be done . There was a lot of parts of me that were a real mess and I had been thinking about .
I had a friend that walked the Appalachian Trail right around the time I was getting out of that relationship and I kept thinking I want to do something like that . I want to do something big and bold . I wanted to prove to people that I still had value . Turns out , I needed to prove that to me . Nobody else doubted it .
I doubted it , but I just felt I wanted to do something big . Then I met Bruce and he said hey , I've always wanted to ride across the United States on a bicycle and I thought it would be an adventure . You know , that would fill that thing . And so I said to him is this something you're going to talk about until the day you die ?
Are you going to do it ? He said , no , I really want to do it . And we were just dating and I had no intention of ever being married again . But I said count me in , I want to do this , let's do this . So we started practicing , doing little rides here , little rides there , and we ended up getting married , which is like a whole podcast all by itself .
But anyway , he tells people that he chased me until I caught him , so if you can figure that out . And then we decided , okay , we're going to do this and we're going to do it on a tandem bicycle , because he's very athletic and I'm not , and being on a tandem equalizes us . He can't be faster than me and I can't be slower than him .
It just makes it a really good fit . So I wanted to keep a blog the whole way coming across , and partially because while we were preparing for this trip , I read a lot of blogs and they all seemed to be lying , like everybody talked about how easy and perfect and wonderful and all their days were beautiful , and I kept thinking there's just no way .
There's no way that you do this kind of hard thing and you're not going to have some times where it doesn't feel good . So I wanted to be really honest .
So I kept a blog the entire way across the United States and as I'm coming across the United States , I start realizing I'm beginning to heal , like a lot of the things that were bothering me , that I believed about myself , that I didn't think I was good enough or that I wasn't capable , or all of those things .
Well , it's hard to say I'm not capable while riding across the United States on a tandem bicycle and as we finished up the ride , we were within half a mile of the Marine Corps Memorial , which we stopped at because my husband is a 25-year Marine and we were raising money for Toys for Tots , and so it seemed like the perfect place to stop .
And we're coming up . I can see this flag and he says Terry , that's it . That's where we're stopping . And I started to laugh and cry at the same . Up , I can see this flag and he says Terry , that's it , that's where we're stopping . And I started to laugh and cry at the same time . I was just a mess and I thought , my gosh , I can do anything Like .
It's not a matter of can I do something . It's a matter of what do I want to do ? And I thought I want to be an author . And 14 months later , my first novel came out . My first novel came out , and I was so excited about that .
But when we finished up the ride , I'm now looking over that blog and I thought look at all of these lessons about life that I learned . And these are the kinds of things that you don't have to ride on a bicycle to use this knowledge . You just have to be trying to do something a little outside of your normal box .
And I thought I don't want to keep all of this to myself . I learned some really valuable things and I want to write them down , and so that's why I decided to go ahead and put it out .
There was this is the kind of information that can help anybody who's looking to expand themselves , even just a little bit , and it could be something big , like riding across the United States on a tandem , or it can be something small , like I'd like to learn to play the piano , you know .
It could be something like I'm ready to leave a really bad relationship . Or it could be something like I think I'd like to move to a new city , or I have no idea what I'm going to do with my life when my kids move and go off to college . You know all of those times where you kind of have to expand yourself . So I tell people that these are lessons .
They're more lessons even than rules . They're things that I learned about life , that I have found that I can apply in other situations , not just riding across the United States .
Yeah , Even though that's an epic situation , let's not discount that . Very epic , I mean , shoot me , I always call myself semi-athletic . Epic , I mean , shoot me , it's . I always call myself semi-athletic . I'm strong but lazy as heck . But , um , that's , that's just me , but you could . But lessons , that she has all 10 of them .
I'm gonna list them , we're gonna list what's the highlight , what's the , what's the least favorite , what's the most favorite ? Okay , but there's 10 lessons all together . She's not ripping you off , that you know . I read the book and it even has reflective questions and some poetry in there .
Okay , so it's a multi-functional kind of book and the poems add a bit of a artistic abstract and a beautiful land . Normally I hate poetry , I find it dull , but this one , just , it just makes sense to me because I could connect it to something . Okay , he's a creep , he's a sim , he just wants to date her and get inside her .
Okay , I'll just come with the most . If you leave my mind to be free , it will jump to sometimes the worst situation and it's all reflective of mood . If I'm in a good mood I'm gonna think the better . So , oh , he wants to have a family . He's a great guy , he got some style . He's all , he just wants to date hers again .
You know , get inside her and that's it , okay . He's uh , you know , the cool kids call that a simp . Traditional people call that a creep luminizer . Okay , trying to include all you generations in here , okay , so that's how I see poetry , but to me it's a nice touch . It could have been a bland book I struggle right to its end but she's a creative , okay .
She didn't have to tell me that . The book told me that she's a creative okay , and you really should read this book . You know , it's not just a passive read that you just read and just store it in your brain or you forget about it . Let's be real , we forget a lot of the information we read . This one gets you working . This one gets you to think deep .
So it's a pretty so lack of I'm not trying to be punny . It's an active book . It gets you to reflect on yourself mentally
¶ The Epic Tandem Journey Across America
and , if I want to go a bit further , even spiritually .
Right . It has questions after each chapter , and so we call it guided journaling . And essentially I am an expert in me . I know what I need out of life , I know what I learned from this time that I spent on the bike . But my rules may not be what you need and they may not be the thing that you would learn from this .
And so after each chapter , I kind of ask these questions that help you kind of go through your own mind like , well , how do I feel about this chapter ? How can I apply it to me ? Is there a rule that works better for me ? Is there a way to expand on this rule ?
And I tell people , you know , maybe you don't need 10 rules , Maybe you only need eight , Maybe you need 14 . And this book is to help you kind of guide yourself towards . What are those things that are going to make you lead a more adventurous life ? Get outside of your box , be willing to experience and experiment .
You know what ? She is much nicer than me . I would have forced those 10 lessons on you . You're gonna make it work . Okay , it's no , some of you people are so stubborn , all right . She said somebody may need eight . I was like what ? No , it's a dumb , I'm I'm kidding . It's true , let me have learned these lessons .
I mean , let me be honest , let me comment on that a little bit . Or you could come up with a unique lesson . Exactly , you're already age 14 , maybe Age 14 more , I don't know . People are a little lazy than that , but hey she's very nice compared to me .
It could be that one of the rules that you see and you think , wow , that's really like two rules for me , like I see it this way and I see this , and so I want people to feel like this is more like conversation starters , like a way to think about life , and then what can you do with it ? How can you apply it to you and your situation ?
Because the likelihood is that most people who are listening today are not going to get on a tandem bicycle and ride across the United States .
It's very , very unlikely , but I can guarantee that every single person that listens at some point in their life are going to have to stretch outside of the box that they've put themselves in , and that these rules will help in those situations .
Yeah , and I love how you frame it , the normal box , because normal is different for many people . My normal is working on the computer , your normal is helping other people . What someone's normal could be , I don't know . Sniffing trees be connected to nature . Whatever it is right . I mean , that's america . You're not in some dictatorial country .
You all gotta work and you better have the right opinion or else you are executed . So appreciate that . You know it's a little american . I'm throwing . I'm not going to be super political because we no , we're not doing that today . X tribes , relax , this is just lessons you could apply . It's easier , nicer than me .
Me , I would just say , nope , you're gonna learn these 10 lessons and if you already learned them , prove to me that you have learned them . You know I'll turn it to a little debate , but I'm not gonna do that . You're lucky I'm not the author of this book , I think . I think I might get more hate than love . Who knows ?
Or you know , some people are the possibility . Oh , this is tough love . I needed this . Maybe some people need a more gentle approach . I seriously say that solutions has to be kind of personable , as compatible with the person , right ? So yeah , absolutely yep , so uh , look , I and you know what ?
Yeah , she's so nice and gracious , and you know me , I'm I'm not as nice as I . If you need to learn us , I , I would say it bluntly . I think you need to learn this . Your life is not going to be so nice and I've learned how to be a little calmer .
Talk to me , if I was a teenager , young adult , I would be more vogue about it , as you are stupid , still so stupid , and sometimes I'll even laugh at you . To make it worse , insult to injury , something would just want to just either curse me out I don't blame you personally . I was in that situation , so I'm supposed to receive an end of that .
So I get it . You just want to lunge and attack me , but I , I just learned that you know what Tough love is not always the best solution . See , that's something I had to learn . You got to be adaptable for different people , some people with the more gentle approach , some people just want facts A , b and C .
They want a faction I could structure like that . So this is not working . You did A , b happened equals C . Okay , this is why it did not work out , because your A , your anger , causes person B to be bad , and now you got C , c . For what Crap ? You got a crap outcome . Okay , I blame her down being creative , blame Terry down being extra creative .
Okay , that you could blame her . The A , b , c thing I just kind of came up with that , but seriously , I you know . And the other thing I like about this book is that each of it could be like this own separate little chapter . I mean , you know , don't get me wrong it also has a whole cohesive story about the tandem journey as well .
So it it's , it's very interesting . It could be decompartmentalized and compartmentalized at the same time . It's very interesting . It's very interesting . Most books are not like that . You gotta read number one , number two , number three , you know , oh , but I want to read 10 . 10 seems exciting , oh , no , no , you want to have a complete understanding .
Gotta read the first nine chapters . This one here . You could read just five because it gravitates you . Or even 10 , or who knows . Or you find reading one in the next day . You know it's , it's . It has a multiple pathway , which , which is very unique , most books don't have that . I'm not gonna say much content in there . Okay , I'm not a spoiler person .
I respect the producer's work . I respect that . Maybe at worst it's just a little minus four , depending on what answer we give these next questions . The next one I have is this might be a challenging one for you . This is a positive ending one . Which one of these 10 lessons are your most favorite ? So ?
it is a little hard for me . I have two that are really really near and dear to me , and for two very different reasons , so I'm going to , if you're okay with it , I'll give you my two Go ahead . All right . So one is rule number nine .
It's called never quit on a bad day , and the reason I love rule number nine is this was a day that we were traveling and we had to go 70 miles . There was nothing between where we had spent the night before and where we were going to spend the night . So 70 miles and that's a long day on a tandem bicycle .
It was a hot day , it was hilly , the wind was blowing toward us , which meant that we're like against the wind all day . We went through a valley where there were mosquitoes that were huge and I swear that they drank bug spray for breakfast . I mean they just they were landing all over us . It was horrible .
And then we had not one , not two , but three flat tires that day . So by the time we pulled into this town in Montana , glasgow , montana I was done , and I wasn't done for the day . I was done Like this is stupid . I hate it . Why are we doing this ?
This is miserable , and I was keeping the blog and I would put it out every day , and we had people who were reading it as I , you know like they were waiting for it . We wrote during the summer of 2020 .
So it was COVID summer , so there were people who were stuck at home and they're watching this , and this is what they do for their entertainment was read my blog , and so I wrote the blog and in the blog I said I think I'm done , we've talked about it before we ever came out that either one of us could say enough's enough , and I think I've had enough .
Very soon after posting that blog , I got a note from a friend who texted me and just said Terry , what you've done so far is amazing . You have ridden over a thousand miles , you've made it over the Rocky Mountains . If you stopped today , you have nothing to hang your head about because you've done an amazing thing . Most people will never do that .
However , I recommend that you don't quit on a bad day , because if you do , you will always wonder could I have done it ? So she said I recommend you take a little break , maybe take a couple of easy days . If you still feel that way , then by all means , upping is what you should do .
Whatever you decide , you know I'm proud of you , and that was kind of the end of the text . So I took that to heart and the next day we had a fabulous day . Oh my gosh . We flew into the next town . The wind was behind us , blew us into town . By lunchtime we were already in a motel room and we slept all afternoon . We got plenty of sleep .
It was , it was absolutely fabulous and we stuck with it and in the end we did make it all the way across . The reason that that is such a good rule , that never quit on a bad day , is because think about it when you are tired , hungry , emotional , you can't make good decisions , right . So anything , anything could make you stop doing something .
You know my shoes are too tight . The sun came up in the east again today . I mean , anything can make you just say I'm tired , I'm done . But when you've had a chance to kind of pull back and you can really think about , do I want to continue this , is it really something that I want to do , then you can make a real good decision .
So I tell people , don't mistake this , for never quit , because sometimes stopping what you're doing is exactly what you should do . I was in an abusive relationship for 14 years . I needed to get out of that right . Never quit would have been a horrible thing to tell me , right If you're in a job that you hate , you know to say never quit .
Maybe you need to think about when you do it , maybe you need to be smart about doing it , but it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it . Or it could even be that you've chosen to do something that you thought was going to be fun and after a while you realize this really isn't what I thought it was going to be and this isn't serving me anymore .
So I really learned this idea of never quit on a bad day . You know , give yourself space , pull back . My second favorite one and this is a sad story , Elias , so get ready . I don't know if you're going to need tissues . You might .
In June of 2022 , my husband was diagnosed with glioblastoma , which is an incurable brain cancer , and he passed away in January , just a few months ago , which is really hard on me because he was my person . He died on January the 10th and on that I had been waiting for a copy of this book .
I was waiting for my author copy and the author copy comes in and it has you know , not for resale stamped across the front . You get a chance to look through it . I had been waiting . I wanted him to see it . I wanted him to see it and that morning it was .
It was obvious that we were at the end and he passed away at 3.30 and at two o'clock the mail came and my book was in the mail and I started to shake . I was shaking , I could hardly get the box open . His eyes were closed . No-transcript to fight this cancer . And he did . He fought it until there was no way to win .
I also realized that , due to the cancer and where it was located in the last two months of his life he didn't have a voice . He could say yes and no .
On occasion he was able to say I love you about a week and a half before he passed away , but generally he had no words and I feel like for me those were also his last words to me Do hard things , and so on .
Those mornings between then and now , when I get up and I think I can't do today , I can't , I just I can't do today , I can't , I just I can't do today . I want to crawl under my bed . I just want to hide from the world .
I hear those words do hard things and I take a deep breath and I throw my legs over the side of the bed and I do hard things . I get up and I do hard things , and so those are my two favorite roles .
Wow , one was . I mean they both were challenging for very different reasons . One was more the external factors of weather , terrain and probably wasn't even the best mood already . The filthy mosquitoes that probably sucked thousands of blood . I mean they must have got the best blood in the world if they were that huge .
All right , blood with protein and steroids and I'm sure they came in the army is old , fresh , fresh blood . Sucking that , uh , sucking . Oh yeah , these fresh , fresh blood . Come , come , come , come . Come me . I don't know , I think I would have just caught a mental breakdown . I hope I don't have a firearm .
I probably would have just shot everything and just freaking lose it it was .
It was a hard day . It was definitely a day where it would have been easy to say forget it , I'm done .
I'm just done yeah , I said , my goodness , I'm the stupidest person . Wow , what was I smoking for doing this ? What was I thinking ? Right , right , I love that . Don't quit on the bad day , because I think a lot of people tend to do that , which builds that regret , absolutely .
But you prevent it .
Could be that ? What if that ? What if that ? What if ?
What if we had just given it another day or two or three ? What if ? Right ? And instead I didn't have to worry about that . My husband got to do this trip that he wanted to do . I got to do something that I wanted to do , this trip that he wanted to do . I got to do something that I wanted to do .
We did it together and we don't have any regrets , because we did take kind of a step back and think about what do we really want ? What are we trying to achieve here ? And what we were trying to achieve mattered more than the fact that my fanny hurt from being on the seat for so long and then I was sick and tired of changing flat tires .
Yeah , I'll be the emotional . I'll be just focused on the emotional aspect . They feel bad . Okay , forget it . No , just I quit , I quit . But how are you going to build ? I mean I was like an ultimate character trial for you , absolutely Physically , mentally , spiritually , all the above right there . You know , and you know that that's amazing .
I mean I was like real intense character building . That's for sure , because I'm sure I won't be surprised . You don't want to ever do that again .
No , you know , and people have asked me well , would you do it again ? And the answer is no , I don't need to do it twice . Right , like I am so glad I went . Don't get me wrong , I wouldn't trade this experience for the world . I am so glad I went and I do not need to do it twice .
Yeah no , I agree , and that's the impression I got , so I personally don't blame her . That's all I was saying . I was reading this book . I don't blame you . I mean , if you do a different journey , I understand , but it's not going to be that tandem no , there's no need by gries and right across america . Who knows it could be ?
It could probably be a more I don't know touristy , probably something more fancier , less demanding , you know maybe that , but but no that . But that's great that , that you did it , you know , and sometimes one time it's just it has to charm . You know , like you do the second time , I'm pretty sure it's not going to be as great .
No , that's why , that's why I say , unless you got a new grand idea , just start innovate or whatever . But I think I think one time for most people I mean , if I ever do it , I'm pretty sure it's gonna be one and the only time . And yeah , it has a certain yeah , to me it has like the most authentic charm to it .
See , that's another thing I wanted to throw in , that's authenticity to this author . She's happy and all that , but she went through hell . Okay , hell . You know she wasn't always happy . I'm sure she wanted to . Probably even I'm going to sound crazy , you're saying is even just attack the husband . Because why you made me do this ?
You know emotions and makes emotions make you crazy . Ok , they do .
And I'm I'm a very emotional person . So you know , if you read the blog or even the book , you find out I cried a lot . You know we'd be standing on the side of the road and I would be crying until I got myself together and then it'd be like , ok , let's get back on the bike .
That's what we have to do , and you know I am an emotional person and so , yeah , I experience a wide range of emotions while on that trip .
I think I'd give him credit that he allowed you to process those emotions . He gave you the green light . So you know , go by the bootstraps and carry your own weight and all of that . So I'm sure that's going to end up very well . No , he Maybe a divorce in the middle of the ride and all that .
Look , it would have been a completely different story , but he gave you permission .
He did . He knew that for me to make good decisions I needed to get the emotion out , and so he would kind of stand back . Now , the first time I cried he did look a little nervous , like he wasn't sure what he was supposed to do with it , and I'm sure he thought , great , this trip's already over and we've only been out here two days .
But he soon recognized that's just the way I process . I have to do the emotion of it and then once I get that , you know the world is over , and wailing and gnashing of teeth right Once that's over , then I can kind of say , ok , let's be logical . What do we need to do next ?
And usually it's get back on the bicycle , because the next place to stop is 12 miles from here , and who wants to stop here on the side of the road ? We need to keep moving , and so that's kind of what I learned . That's actually a lesson that's not in the book .
That I learned and that was solely about me , which was it's okay for me to be as emotional as I am . It's just the way I am and it's how I process .
No , yeah , you know , I think this is I speak for . I will say some men we like to solve problems , so I'm sure you saw that as a problem , right . Then he reframed , said okay , let it go , let it let the emotions go through , the problem will self-correct , if you know , for lack of a better word , it will self-correct .
And , um , you know , I'm I'm happy they caught on to that , because I think that's what's the problem . Some guys , we like to just solve problems . You see as a problem , how do I fix it , how do I get actively involved ? Right , and all that . So it's a good thing that he got adept and just say , okay , there was just a little moment .
Yeah , give her a little moment and she'll get it figured out .
Yeah , yeah , and that means he trusts . He trusts you too . That's real . You can even throw faith in there . You know , and that's that's also a very important thing , that that I I noticed um for me . I mean , I will normally I will normally not add , but my what's my most favorite lesson when I it's me really really well , because
¶ Rule #9: Never Quit on a Bad Day
it's something that I really needed to um . Rule number two this yeah yep , yeah , that's the one that it changed the way how I do work , I approach life . That to be out , that's something that I needed , because I used to expect everything to go right the first time .
Yeah , so , and I'm that person as well .
It's not if chaos comes Right . I change skills . When chaos comes Right . What can I do about it ?
Right , I'm sorry go ahead when I was going to say I'm the person , I like a list , I like to follow step one , three , step four , step five , and when you do that , you get an outcome every time , and that's the way it should be and that's just not the way it is .
First of all , it's not the way life is and it certainly was not the way this road trip went , and it was a hard lesson for me to learn . It was a really difficult lesson for me to learn and over and over and over , I kept expecting the perfect outcome and when I didn't get it , I would be so disappointed and angry and you know like .
And then I think I finally figured it out . It isn't really about a straight line . Our life is never a straight line . It's not from point A to point B .
I mean it is , but then there's this huge knot in the middle where we've gone to the right and the left and over and under and you know , through the tree and over the woods , and I mean we're just all of the crazy stuff . And then finally you do come out the other side and you get to point B , but it's not .
It's not a nice little , pretty line , just isn't . And life isn't that way . I mean , if you think about anything losing weight right , most people do not lose weight in a continual line . They lose , they gain a little , they lose a little , they gain a lot , they lose a little , and this is just the way it is .
In the end , you've gone from where you were to where you wanted to be , but it didn't happen in this nice neat half pound every three day increments and you just went . That's not the way it works and absolutely .
Me you say not me , I call it scribble scribbles . Yes , I mean exactly , it's just a big tangled mess of yuck , yep , that's you know . I mean . They all serve a purpose . It's not a straight line . It messes things up , it causes inconvenience both of them , you know not . Is this more tight and you got to untangle it ? Scribble , scribble .
Is you got to clean it up ? Yeah , straighten it out , you know . And then we see what's what . They both cause great inconvenience . So those are two very viable descriptions . Don't say another straight line . I will like to ban you . You're not paying attention or you're just messing with me , or it could be a fake straight line .
Whatever , just use something that's viable listeners . So this will make it a little more interesting for your listeners and viewers . Um , what was your most favorite lesson ? Make sure you read the book , because I will catch you if you don't , okay , and when you read this book , the question I have is which , which lesson was your most favorite ?
Which one hit home the hardest for you ? And just like curb , you know , I'll allow some rules to bend . If you got a second one , maybe a third one , say it . I want conversation to keep going . I just ask . In a way , that is a suggestion , not a rule . Okay , it's , it's a suggestion . I didn't expect to get two answers , but I welcome them anyways .
Right , right , cause you know , cause I'm sure I'm going to get something of value . So just say OK , just don't know . No , I say one . I could have been strict . Say no , no , no , just stick to one . One . Thank you , no , no , no , ok , thank you , no , I don't do that . That's , that's nonsense .
And the guests can't do it and they're not ready to be on a podcast . Come back later or just don't come back at all . You want to have that fixed nonsense mindset , don't come back here . But if you want to get better , then come back when you're ready . That's what I've told some guests .
Because some certain potential guests thought I was a bit pushy , I said , nope , there was a rule that once you message me , you have to be ready by a certain time . If not , then we can postpone it or you just don't come back . Life keeps moving . I would like to meet some of you , but if it doesn't work out , it doesn't work out , I'm not going to .
You know , some things are just not meant to be . You just got to accept that and it's okay , it's all right . Yep , you know that's . You know that's it . You know , just like . Just like . You know she gave a good example about quitting . Yeah , quit a bad relationship . It's a very good idea . Yeah , like a job .
Yeah , you gotta be strategic about that we can't .
We have to be strategic , but sometimes it's okay just to say this is no longer serving me and to be able to say that I think that that's something that that a lot of times , we're told don't quit , don't quit , don't be a quitter , and it's like I don't know .
Sometimes quitting is exactly what you should be doing , which is why I added on that don't quit on a bad day . Don't quit when you're emotional . Essentially , that's what it's about it's don't quit when you're in the middle of falling apart , because when you're falling apart .
No , quit smoking is a good idea . Yeah . If you don't like that , I'm sorry , go right ahead .
Yeah . So you just kind of have to think about you know , like , how can you make sure that what you're doing makes sense for you ? And you usually can't do that if you're in the middle of an emotional crisis . You need to step back . Even , like you know , my husband passed away four months ago .
People have been asking me are you going to continue staying in the home that you're in ? Well , he and I talked about this and I promised him that I would live here for at least one year , because he knew how difficult it would be for me to make a good decision in the middle of me trying to now figure out what life looks like without him .
And so that's kind of a variation on never quit on a bad day . It's that idea of you don't want to try to make these big decisions when you're an emotional mess , you know .
But once you've figured that out and you know where you are now , you can make a good decision Stay or go , you know , start or stop , you can do those things , but in the middle of crazy , that's not the time to be doing that .
Oh no , Once you see emotion making decisions , you're going to regret them . Right , it may feel good , for probably and I'm just going to give you some charity five seconds maybe , a day Maybe a day that regret is going to come . Why don't you let that guard down ? Regret comes lightning speed at you . Okay , absolutely . That's all I'm gonna say .
Listeners and viewers , I really hope you're paying attention to terry here . You could ignore my , my craziness , that's fine . Pay attention . She has such value , okay , such values . Make sure you pay attention . There is wisdom here . It may sound simple , it may even sound cheesy to some of you , but there's wisdom . Stop being a stuck up , stop being stiff neck .
Just this is a lesson here . Okay , no , I mean it all serious , it's just learning lessons here . I mean , come on going on a tandem bike ride across America . It's just no easy feat If I don't go look at her appearance . She don't like the type to do it .
In fact , people say to me all the time you did what . No , in fact , people say to me all the time you did what ? And I think , yeah , I'm not an athlete , you know , I tell people I'm a desk jockey . I sit in front of my computer and I write this is what I do , and you know when . And I love being outdoors .
But I like being outdoors , like walking along the beach and picking up shells . I mean , I'm not talking hardcore athlete . So this was a huge endeavor for me . It was a big , big deal , but it sure taught me a lot about the world and myself .
No , absolutely . That was an epic journey that molded you forever . No one could take that away from you . Absolutely , even the greatest haters , even your most nasty comments can't do that . She is ready for you . She took on millions and billions of mosquitoes and hills and hot weather . Your meme comment got nothing on her . Okay , nothing . Look at that .
The light is shining stronger in the room .
Symbolism of oh , there's no . The sun's starting to go down . It's like , oh my goodness , they're getting .
No , ironically , it looks even brighter . Yeah , the sun is going down and well , it's already almost done in my area . But look , listen , your mean comments is not going to do anything and all I'm going to do is ignore you . If it's just . You know , you're stupid , you're fat , your mama ugly . I just can't ignore you .
But if we got something constructive to say , no-transcript them are your favorite .
Yeah , you know that's that is a hard question , and so I was looking over that , cause you said you know to that you were going to ask that question , and I think that maybe the one that I like the least is the one that I find the most difficult to do , which is focus on now . So that's rule number five , that's focus on now .
I am a I am really big into worrying about something I did yesterday and worrying about something that's going to happen tomorrow .
That may or may not ever happen , but nonetheless I'm worried about it , and so I play over conversations in my head of things that I said or shouldn't have said , or I wish I'd said differently , and I'm doing all of that in my mind .
And then I'm also worried about what's going to happen tomorrow , when really we need to be living more in the moment , in the now . So I would say that it's my least favorite because it is the hardest one for me to remember . Like I probably need to post this on the mirror in my bathroom that says you know , focus on now . And it needs to be everywhere .
I need to have it in my , you know , up on my computer monitor and I need to have it in my bathroom and I need to have it on the toaster and I need to have it absolutely everywhere , because I would say I get stuck at this point of these 10 rules .
I've got it , I learned it , and yet I can forget this rule faster and I find myself right back in that same spot over and over , and I have to constantly remind myself . Terry , today is the day that we're on . You can't do a thing about what you said yesterday and you have no idea what tomorrow is going to bring .
So you know what's funny . That's the same . That's what was that .
The one that you comment .
I'm thinking about the past , the future , even as a strategist . Oh , this is OK . I wish I said why did I do that ? That was so stupid . I do the best . I think about the future . How to perfect that Right . It's so hard .
It's personally hard for me to be in the now , for unless I'm doing a podcast , right , podcast forces me Right , and it does , though .
It forces you in the moment because you're you're speaking one on one with someone and you don't have anything to do but to continue that conversation . But , most of the time , my mind is in the past and the future , instead of being here in the now .
My mind is always ping-ponging past , future , past , future , past future , not present . It's very rare for it to stop , unless I have to use so much strength for making third , and even then , if I slip for one second , it's back to ping pong Past , future , past , future , past , future , past future . Yeah , I mean , we both are a mental mess , yeah .
Yeah , okay .
So that's all we want . But some people are very good at being the present . I can't stand . I have legitimate jealousy . That's why I have a very good friend that I say you know , no one's great about you , you're very present . I need that . I mean , I'm a strategist .
I think about improving the past and perfecting the future , which is all very abstract , and it gets us distracted and worried and stressed . I mean , we know it . I'm not going to lecture you on this . We all know this at some level , right ?
Right .
I perfectly agree . Five was the one I said really , terry , can you just remove that lesson or do a second edition of that lesson ?
No , but no , it is very important , it's very important , it is so important and it is so really it should be my favorite , like it should be the one that I focus all my attention on , because you know I need it so badly . But I think that when I see the focus on now , I immediately know that that's not what I do well and so I don't like it .
I don't like to be told I don't do something well and I don't do that one well , oh well yeah I say , well , what the heck you expect me to do ?
I'm trying to prevent things from happening here . All right , leave me alone , I'll be very . I'm sometimes very . People tell me that I know it's true . It's actually true . It's hard for me to deny , but I'm going to try to deny it anyways . I'm going to try to be come back and witty about it . I said , well , you just go by life blindly .
Yeah , yeah
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and it's like no , but yeah .
It's so , it's so true Even when you meditate , you have to be present , and that's why meditation really does help me .
I have I have a hard time meditating . I have a hard time with the whole idea of like mindfulness .
I am so bad at those things which is really funny then that I would even put this rule in here , like I could have just left it out , so I didn't have to remind myself how bad I am at something , but it's definitely something I think all people should learn and can get a lot of value from if they will do that .
Right , I mean , look , we gave like probably light , light , spoilers , maybe quotes , if you will . Very light , but yeah , just very light , but I'm not listening to 10 . You read a book for that one . I'm not doing that part .
I'm not that generous .
You get that book Okay . It's a great book . It's not just a passive read . It's very short too . It's not something that one chapter is 100 pages long .
No , it's a quick read and I tell people it's one of those reads . You can put it on your bedside table and you can read one chapter and then think about it for a day or two or a week or whatever . You don't have to sit down and read it all the way through . I've had a lot of people who have .
They've read it all the way through and then they go back and read one chapter and work on it because they realize , oh wait , this one is the one I need . So you read through and you said to yourself it was what chapter to expect setbacks , and so that might be one .
Then that you would say , well , I need to read that again , I need to really look over those questions . I I need to read that again . I need to really look over those questions . I need to really think about how to apply this in my life . And so you know , there's a lot of different ways that you can go about reading the book .
No , absolutely , and you know that's what makes this book so different for so many others . You got to read one , two , three , four it's on the stand seven . No , you can decompartmentalize thing and then just do a deep dive into the ones that apply to you . I mean , there's just so much ways to do it .
It's so customizable , so personable and who knows , and I'm going to challenge you , listeners and viewers , come up with the 11th lesson .
Yeah , I ask people that sometimes I'll go and I'll give a talk about this book and I'll say , like you know what's an 11th lesson ?
And I actually have an 11th lesson , which , for me , I kind of learned it really as I've talked about it more and more which is you have inside of you everything you need to be successful , like we need to stop looking to become something more , something bigger , something . What you need is already in you . Look inside and find it .
Now , the world has been really good at covering it up and hiding things from us . I lived in that abusive relationship and there was a lot of good stuff of me that was hidden underneath a lot of junk , but it was still there . This ride did not make me become someone else .
It helped me discover who I was , and so I think that would be the I don't know quite how to put it down into a quick rule , but essentially , you've got what you need inside of you .
Maybe I got one Accept it , reject it . Maybe success is within .
Oh , I like that . That would be . Yeah , that would kind of hold it all together . But that idea that we don't have to become someone else , we don't have to be . I don't have to be like Elias , elias doesn't have to be like Terry . We can be whatever it is we need to be and we have that in us .
You know , for me to be successful , for me to have become an author and for me to have become a podcaster and to I now mentor other authors and these things that I'm doing , I had all of that in me . I just had forgotten it was there . I wasn't accessing it anymore .
I was looking outside of myself , hoping that somewhere else I would find what I needed and all along it was in me . So I like that . Success is within . That's a good , good role .
You know , I mean , you could even wordsmith it , whatever , right .
But I like the way that that kind of flows and it's simple and it's succinct and I like that . Thank you , elias , that's good .
Hey , I'm here to help . I've given some decent ideas to people , especially if it comes naturally . If I don't have it , I really don't have it . I can just force you to say , or maybe you know , or I think you know , or success is unique , you know , or something like that .
Because you're just saying that you don't have to be like me , I don't have to be like you , and this is a few words . You just be yourself . Dig through your own internal rubble that the world has , let's be honest , dumped a lot of that in you . Yeah , and you know you love these people .
They're great people , but they have unintentionally put something in your dump .
You'd be a family , your friends , your teachers , yeah , and I tell people when you're you know , if you can't access that within you , then you need help finding it again , and so maybe that help comes from a spouse or a friend or a coworker . Maybe it comes from a therapist , maybe it comes from a pastor or preacher or some other religiouser .
Maybe it comes from a therapist , maybe it comes from a pastor or a preacher or some other religious leader . Maybe it comes from reading a book . Maybe it comes from taking a giant adventure and going across the United States . But whatever it is , start searching for it , because you have it in you already .
I don't know . Paint or something like that , or jog , whatever it is right , whatever it is , it is within , and I love that . I mean , look , if you could find a 12 , you said 14, . 12th lesson , 13th lesson , 14th lesson the bonuses .
If you could somehow mesh it into the book , that would be the bonus , not mandatory , but if you could somehow do , do that , you get even more kudos and I'm sure I'm gonna come up with a prize for that . But I will have to have her be here because it's her book , she's the boss of it , she's gonna be the judge , jury and executioner .
Hey , I'm just , I'm just merely a presenter , I'm a terror mc , maybe that role at that capacity .
But I am not going to decide the winner because this is it was my own book of how I give you like tough requirements as I want the best of the best , or you could be gone like the rest there you go a little rhyme right there , but I'm not a rapper , don't say that . I'm not a rapper , all right , but um , yeah , yeah , this is a great conversation .
I I was initially rating this like an 8 . I think it rated like a 9.5 or 10 for me already . Fantastic .
This has been great .
So let's do that , Actually , before I even do that , because I always have to get it . We are going to get to that . Anything else you want to add before we get to the shameless plug-in .
No , I don't think so . I think the only other thing that I like to tell people is is don't have a bucket list . If there's something in your life that you want to do , start today moving toward that . When my husband and I decided to go on this trip , it's not like we made the decision to go on the trip and left the next day .
There was a lot of work that had to go into going , but we , as soon as we made the decision we wanted to do it , we started working toward it , and I really think that that's where you want to be in life . You always want to be working toward that goal .
So , you know , look at that bucket list and say what on here do I really , really , really want , and then start working toward it .
Whatever that is , take that first step , and that should be something that you could do today , like , do it now , don't wait , because , honestly , you don't know what tomorrow's going to bring and you would rather leave this world having been moving toward a goal than just having a goal sitting on some list .
Oh , that's probably the most controversial thing for so many people , especially those who love the bucket list , pro bucket list people . No .
I'm- .
Why me .
You want me to just kick the bucket list . Well , it's so . I mean , I think it's okay to have a list of things that maybe someday would be cool , but , like , don't make it the end all list . I would rather . I would much rather you say this is the thing that I'm working on , you know and , and it's okay .
Like , like I still I have things I'd like to do . I would love to go to some Greek islands and see those and I would love to . I want to go to DC and see the cherries and blossom , and there are things that I have that I would like to do , but there isn't anything that is like deep in my chest and if it is , I'm working on it .
You know , and , and that's , I think , where we , where we want to be in the world , we want to be always working towards those things that make us feel alive . And if there's just sitting on a list somewhere and you're not working toward it , you either you need to figure out why you're not working toward it .
You're either afraid , and you need to work on that , or it's really not that important to you and you need to go ahead and take it off your list .
Some tough truths for some of you , yeah .
You said I was , you said I was so nice . But I kind of have a little tough love in me yeah , look at that , terry exposed .
Tough love . Hey , I love it . It just adds more to the I don't want to say complex layers of authenticity , because you can't be nice all the time , you can't be mean on time .
You want that's more like a cartoon character that they super exaggerate , super simplified versions of a human being one is too mean one is too nice , one is too smart , one is too boring . You know , we humans , we are a bunch of things . Okay , you know me , I got my nice side too . I got my nice side .
I'm kind of sympathizing with the with the bucket list people actually not really , um , I , I don't . I , I have to be honest , I don't even have a bucket list , so , yay see you , you win , you win in my book , right there . I really don't need it because I agree . It's like if you're gonna do it , do it , come with a plan , just done .
I , I , I , in the serious , I actually agree with that . For those who heal up buckets your feelings are hurt too bad . Kick that bucket , bake it to action plan . Turn to action plan . Kick that bucket . Absolutely Not in debt , not in debt . Okay , I know some of you are going to just twist it to figurative speech and think I'm being evil .
Nope , just kick the bucket literally or in your head At least in your head . If you want to be super safe about it in your head and if you're angry , go in the middle of the field somewhere , kick the bucket . You need to let out that anger . Go right ahead . Good therapy right there . Absolutely , you know what . All right , this has been great .
I don't know the bucket list . People are agitated . That's okay , you'll live . You'll live . Process those emotions . She's probably telling the truth somewhere . Okay , process those emotions . You go through it . You'll get better , you'll be fine , you'll be fine , you know . You know we all got to process emotions , and I will , I will add , especially for men .
This is why some of us turn to psychopaths . Process those emotions , even privately . If you have to Just have a time , just leave room to process emotions . Men are not robots . I say like robots . I say like . I would say , women are more likely to do that . Even for the rare women who hold it , that applies to you as well .
Okay , the process those emotions . Especially the , the tomboy , hyper masking woman processes emotions as well . The feminine man . You process those emotions . Good job , you're ahead of the curve there . Okay , so that ? That that's the reason .
I'm emphasizing that , because I think this is why we have so much mental health issues , yeah , and all that because we just like to keep going live , keep masking , keep shoving things down , making you know we over fill our inner junk capacity to a point it blows up . So , yeah , you know this , this is a life and I went through that .
I went through that when I broke down . I just hold a bunch of stuff in . So it's not , it's not not pretty . You think you're being tough , but what you're doing you're just becoming such a big emotional mess , even worse than ones who just process it .
Those are little mess , those are manageable , easy to clean , but if you keep postponing it , mess will be so big it's going to take a long time . Yep , let's rectify that . Okay , look , I'm not a psychologist and all of that , but I just know this through experience , and wise people like Terry will agree with me .
If you disagree with me , I'm going to put this as nicely as possible . This is my nice side . You're just fooling yourself . You're really hurting yourself . It's not me , not Terry . We try to give you wisdom here , but you have to be willing , have the awareness and the receptiveness to take it . That's all I'm going to say .
With that , let's get to the commercial , the very capitalistic part that some of you love and some of you complain about . But who cares ? It's not charity work here , okay , just not charity work . I love it , but it's not charity work . Can't be a charity , yeah , but nah , I don't want to . Not this one , not this episode .
That'll be a future episode when I throw prizes or things like that , but not this one , not this one . Okay , they , you know they need your support too . So let's go check on shameless buggin . She has a website and she's an author . This is not her first book , okay .
She mentioned one about the granddaughter , who was I won't be surprised pretty sassy and demanding about why I'm gonna get a book for me you know , I'm just making things up . I'm just assuming , as I go along here just for entertainment .
But who knows , or maybe she was so nice she actually is a very sweet hearing little girl , but she was kind of like I don't . I don't understand , if you're an author , why aren't there books for me ?
And it was like you know what you have a very good point there's and and I'm a good gg I I like doing with my grandchildren , so you know , if they want a book , I'm going to get them a book oh , there you go there , you go right there .
That's a little okay . Well , all right , she was just . She was just , I would say , diplomatic , I guess yeah I probably would be more bossy . So why is that book for me ? What's wrong with you ? But look , there is , yeah , there's uh , more than several books that she wrote . There's fight cds daughter of the Green Mountain Was it Gap ?
Yep , daughter of the Green Mountain Gap . And then there is , oh , an Enemy Like Me . Well , that one seems provocative . Sunflowers Beneath the Snow that's probably the nicest one you got in there .
That's actually one about Ukraine , and what's crazy is that book was written about three generations of Ukrainian women , starting in the 1970s , and it came out one month before the current Ukrainian crisis started .
Wow , now that's historical .
Yeah .
I'll be honest , that's an entirely separate podcast altogether .
Altogether .
Absolutely that's . You know , that is , I'm pretty sure that I think that's what you mean by historical fiction . Right there , I'm sure you connect , you know true events and all that and add , you know , creativity to it .
Right I tell people all the time . For me , historical fiction is is you make sure that you do the history , that you have your facts as straight as you can get them , given that you weren't there . And then
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the fiction part is I get to let my characters , my fictional characters , do things within that setting . I get to let my characters , my fictional characters , do things within that setting . So I try really hard to make my facts as factual as possible .
I'm not saying I've never made a mistake , but I do a lot of research and I try really hard to be as factual as possible .
Yeah , that's a challenge . Right Balancing reality and fiction is a great cohesive story . That is a challenge . I'm not sure I'm gonna be able to to do that . I'm probably too much of a realist as I want . I want something makes sense . But I like fantasy too , you know , because it's a nice just escape , you know . Yeah what if it was things done right ?
This is a more like a I'll probably say like a healthy kind of what if ? What if things were done right , as opposed to this messy right ? You know , I think it's like a therapy , right there . You know , agree or disagree , it don't matter . That's just my opinion of that . You know , you wish things were done differently . I mean , we all have that .
I wish that war never happened , period okay , and I I think that war personally could have been prevented oh yeah , there's a , there's a lot of there's .
You know there's a lot of things to talk about with that . But what I also tell people is that I am not a government official , I'm not a political scientist , I'm an author . And this was a book that came to me before this war was Right , and I had this idea , and so I'm only an expert on my characters and the time period in which they lived .
And people ask me a lot of questions about the war and what do I think ? And it's like what I think really has very little to do with A the book and B with reality , because what I think doesn't matter , I mean it really doesn't . I have zero control over any of it , right . So , and I have another book , so my Daughter's a Green Mountain Gap .
It's about healers in the mountains of North Carolina in the 80s , and I've had people say to me things like oh , I should try some of those remedies , and it's like , oh , no , you should not . I am not a doctor and I do not play one on TV Like this is fiction , you know .
And so you have to kind of remind people sometimes that there's that line of fiction .
And if my book made you think that , wow , it'd be kind of cool to start looking up some of these more herbal ways of , that's great , but don't look them up in my book , because it's fiction , right , and if it leads you to want to learn and explore about something , that's .
The fabulous thing about fiction is that it can get you to think about things and do things and experience things that you might not have otherwise done . But then go to real good sources to do more , right , because I'm an author , I'm a fiction author and check with the experts , darn it . You know , absolutely .
Come on , come on , people , people , you could do better than this . You've got to separate reality and fiction , right ? If it inspires you , you don't find , just like she said , but do your research , talk to medical experts , exactly . Exactly Holistic experts and don't look at that when you go to Perry , it's maybe how to write a book , right Things like that .
Right , but not for health . Well , and like I said that Not for you know , not for no , no , go ahead . That book was written in a setting in the 80s . Well , in the 80s they were still doing bloodletting for diabetes .
Like , let's not , we don't want to use remedies that were in that book , because things have changed and we've learned things , we understand things . So , by all means , if it encouraged you to look into more holistic medicine , that's fabulous , but do that in a wise manner .
Yeah , yeah , make sure you have experts and second , third and fourth opinion , whatever opinions you need , absolutely , you know . Come on people , you got to do better . I know you're desperate , but don't let desperation blind you , because desperation does lead to stupidity .
Absolutely .
You don't want to be foolish , you don't want to be foolish , you really don't . And look , listen , go to her for art , writing , those kind of things . That's her strong suit . Like me , you want to go to political analysis ? You come to me for that , don't come . And even some AI .
I will say I'm a semi-expert , if that makes sense , but I'm not the super credible expert . I can even like stuff like what happens , because I did a lot of research on AI so I can confidently talk about what's the good , the bad , the ugly of AI and even spirituality . I can talk to you about that .
You know I'm not a spiritual guru , but I'm comfortable with that . But I always say a disclaimer an expert , she's doing that right now , which is very responsible , very ethical . Okay , go to her for writing and art and things like that , not for health . Not for history , not for historical analysis or political debate .
I'm pretty sure she don't have time for that . Okay , I do , sadly .
So yeah , if you want to debate that , talk to Elias . If you want to read about it , then buy my book , right ?
That's clearly defined . That's the rules right there . If you do outside of that , they'll be surprised . You get shut down . I know nasty ways , I'm not . We're just gonna defer you . So again , it comes to the reading in the book just stories , so that you go to our debate , debate ukraine , you could debate with me about that .
Okay , absolutely , I've studied that and I got my opinions . That's gonna some will love and some will hate , because I'm really criticizing both of the major players . What I mean by major players really us and russia . I said this is where russia went wrong , this is where us went wrong . And look you , you're not going to be liked , and that's okay .
I don't expect that . All right , we went a little slightly off the tangent , but it's okay , okay , because look this these are the products are here and they all relate , that's relevance to it . Right , and check her out . She's a nice lady , don't be shy .
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I even just have a contact page where , if you want to reach out and say hey , I read something , what do you think ? I love to talk to people , so feel free to reach out to me , I'd love to chat .
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I do . I tried TikTok . It is not my thing . So if anyone out there is like really good at it and they think they can teach me something that I would be willing to do with it , definitely reach out to me .
I am definitely all about continuing to learn . Look at that If you're a TikTok social media specialist , reach out . Contact Terry All that is going to be in the description of the episodes More than one way to contact her . You're going to be overwhelmed . How to contact her , not the what there's a lot of what ? What's your preference ? Okay , that's a problem .
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Oh no , that has to be just with social medias and and seriously , if you reach out to me , I will respond . I do my very best to respond to everyone that reaches out yeah , so check her out .
All right , she debunked whatever doubts you have . Okay , she's a wonderful person , she's you know , she's right , you know she , she is , she's actually , you know . Okay , she's a wonderful person , she's you know she's right , you know she , she is , she's actually , you know , I . I think she's personified son . I mean , there was even a moment where it was .
The sun was shining in her room right now . So symbolism , right there , people , that's a literary term , okay , I'm talking about here . It's not irony
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, it would be like a dark cloud overhead . That's it Right right , okay , but no , it was , I would say , coherent symbolism . I mean that symbolism they connect , you have to connect art to whatever is relevant to it . You don't think of sun as evil unless you go closer and get burned . Well , that's you . You're silly and stupid .
To be honest , I'm not going to do that . I don't recommend you do that either . I don't care if you're NASA certified or a super expert . Don't do that , okay , all right , yeah , so just check her stuff out , you know , and she has a podcast as well . Me . I'll probably qualify once I start writing something . I don't know what I'm going to write about .
I just got to find something I think that holds dear to me . I was going to write a political book but the very first guess debunk that guy . I think he has a very good political book for strategies , what you should do , what you should not do and what's going to happen if you're a squeaky clean person . It had so much good stuff .
I'm just giving a shout out to Jeff Ward , very smart political mind , sadly . And I'm just giving a shout out to Jeff Ward , very smart political mind , and sadly I'm surprised he's not even nationally known . He should be , because it's brilliant stuff . But you know he's proud of his local roots . Maybe that's what held him back .
Who knows , attack me Jeff Ward fans . I think it's just his local roots hold him back . But very brilliant political mind , very brilliant , All right . Enough getting a random shout out to a guest .
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My numbers went down , but it's okay . It's okay , it's okay . That just means that I'm getting a little more popular , because all great podcasts had that one star regular who just put one star and don't even say anything . So I got that honor . Thank you , cheap reviewer . Thank you , you just boost my authenticity .
I'm not that artificial 4.9 five-star podcast anymore . Okay , that's more authenticity . So thank you for that , really . So , when you complete this visual or audio journey , you have a blessed day , afternoon or night Bye .