212- Disrupting Traditional Economics with Coordinated Discovery Markets

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But I'm had to give that and normally I like to jump and introduce the the guests here . But I'm going to be doing this for a little bit because it's a big change and you're going to see quality , definitely bigger quality in terms of video quality . That's the big thing I made me for . You know this is politically high tech .

I was operating kind of low tech . I mean you want to politically because it's bullcrap and I'm using technology . If you want to make that connection , that's fine , it doesn't matter , doesn't matter . So this could be episode 212 . This could be a technological kind of episode and you might hear my unofficial co-host from time to time .

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I'm going to introduce this guest here . He has a very , very , I dare to say , revolutionary idea to change how pricing works , how marketing works , and I'm very curious to hear it because me I have a , I'll say , basic understanding of economics . You know about a whole supply and demand thing .

If there's too much supply , a little demand , of course prices are cheaper . But if it's the opposite too much demand , low supply , prices go up , right . That's basic economics . And you try to find that equilibrium , the equal plane , plain English . Just to get that , some could say reasonable pricing , some could say irrational pricing .

That's the consumer's opinion , okay , and sometimes they throw deals and all that . So Noah Healy is going to introduce us to this concept . I think it's an interesting idea . I definitely want to hear more about it . I'm open to new ideas because the current system it sucks . Okay , I think , I think it , I think it needs to change .

All right , I'm sure he agrees with it . I mean , it's like yeah , like yeah , he's not a very chill , he's probably he's . He's still not trying to show too much emotion there , but I know he's happy . I know I'm becoming a better spiritual reader . So , noah , what ? So , noah , introduce yourself to our listeners and viewers who you are and what the heck is .

Coordinated Discovery Market .

As you mentioned , I developed Coordinated Discovery Markets because I'm a recreational mathematician and I'm interested in computational mathematics , and what Coordinated Discovery Markets are is an integration of modern technology to economics and systems that actually predate the modern world .

So the existing system is very much focused on supply and demand and works by splitting that into two sides supply and demand and has them line up to buy or sell where it's first come , first serve .

Except you can cut in line by offering better prices , and so they just maintain these two big lists and when the fronts of the lists cross over each other , they make a deal . Now , that's sort of the the simple story , but a little deeper .

The people that actually are the supply and demand , the people that are making and taking these deliveries , don't have the time and energy and money and information required to actually play this game pretty well .

So what has actually happened is there's developed this middle group of people that is effectively the only people that the edge traders actually trade with , only people that the edge traders actually trade with , and they are trying to get the edges as far apart as possible , because the further the people that are buying are from the people that are selling , the

more money there is in the middle for them to make .

And with the rise of computer technology , we've been able to pump more and more nonsense into the marketplace , and that's caused markets to become less stable and more expensive , which , if you've paid any attention to financial news at any point in the last three decades , you've noticed that markets are a lot more expensive and a lot less stable than they

historically used to be . So what I did is said okay . Well , there is this third group that's bringing information to the table . Information is valuable about where supply and demand lands . So what I created was a marketplace inside the marketplace .

So first thing that happens is the market participants engage in a negotiation to work out where price is and where future prices are going to be , and then we use the supply and demand to test that guess .

And so what happens is by iterating through negotiating , where prices ought to be and then trading to see how well those negotiations got done , and then negotiating based on the information gained from trading , and then trading based on the information gained from negotiation .

Very rapidly , this system becomes a system in which everybody knows what all the prices are , where all the prices are heading , and the two sides can be brought much closer together , and the middle people , instead of making their money in a predatory fashion by finding somebody that's dumb enough to take a very bad deal , instead get to make money from the entire

market running smoothly , and so they can get much higher ROIs , because instead of just the single deal that they're making money from , they can make deals . They can make money from facilitating every deal in the marketplace simultaneously .

correct me here like price gouging when it comes to those tickets for I don't know a baseball game , that they jacked them up significantly and some people are desperate enough just to pay thousands , of thousands of thousands and the seller , the original order of those tickets , are making RRI .

Rri stands for Return of Investment for those of you who are not financially familiar . So when I hear that , I personally think price gouging is to take advantage of the desperate person .

But the amount that it spiked up wasn't actually driven by the farmers that were still producing wheat getting higher prices , because , by and large , they didn't see an extra penny .

What that was actually driven by was the people that held the contracts to the sale of that wheat and they're the sort of people I was talking about , who are very good at working the existing system and so they actually jacked up prices more than the actual price level wound up being , because it was their profits and they just make profits by doing that .

And then , as the prices , as time went on and the prices started actually being filtered back to the farmers that were producing the wheat to create the incentives to grow more so that we would , you know , keep having access to bread , the prices actually came down by the time the farmers could gain access to it and at the same time , other secondary effects like

fuel costs , seed costs and other costs all went up as well , and so the farmers didn't get the windfall at all , and by the time they started seeing the higher prices to encourage them to produce more , their input costs were also being driven up to degrade their actual profits .

Because the market doesn't care whether or not they make a profit , it cares whether or not deals occur , and those deals can be made in desperation at near zero profits as long as they happen , and so it essentially attempts to drive both sides into desperate , near zero profit outcomes , because that's how the system makes the most possible money .

example . I'm just thinking of entertainment , just to wake up you listeners , as all baseball games are price gouging . Yeah , I'm supply and demand , but that's more of an entertainment . I'm kind of an example .

But what noah's given is actually more brand friendly , because this is , this is a very real geopolitical um example and it's multi-layers of that cost going up . It's not just the supply itself , it's , like I said , the fuel . Once fuel goes up , a lot of things can just go up with it because they need to .

You know , I mean the the market stuff is pretty complicated but it's important to understand . So regular listeners , if you say fuel costs go up , expect just about everything else to go up with it because it costs a lot of money .

It doesn't matter if there's a , you know , yeah , it does matter , but fuel costs is going to keep the prices pretty high up there . Maybe fuel costs is lower down . Keep the prices pretty high up there . Maybe with fuel costs lower down , of course , with a lot of supply , I'm sure the prices will be cooler , going down just a bit .

But let's be real , I think on corporate greed , I think there's another factor it could throw in there that influences some pricing . I could throw in the whole McDonald's example of dynamic pricing and all of that , but I'm probably not'm probably not gonna go there . Hopefully your , hopefully your system be implemented .

And then they called up my attorneys to let them know that they were probably going to ignore their own yes , which they subsequently did . When we pressed them on why they weren't granting me the patent that they were supposed to procedurally , they said give us a couple months , we'll get back to you because we haven't figured out why we're doing this yet .

They came back with something that was indefensible . They claimed that my system didn't represent a physical improvement when it's algorithmically , hundreds of thousands of times better , so it would be possible to operate this marketplace for less than it costs to even leave the lights on at the current market systems .

Once they were forced to acknowledge that that was true , they said yes again in 2021 . Note , it's been a couple calendar years .

They withdrew that yes in three weeks , according to the people I'm allowed to talk to , on orders from people that they're not allowed to talk about , who made no sense to them , and so the new reason is also nonsense , but because they know it's nonsense when they wrote it .

They won't reverse themselves if we point out that it's nonsense Very complicated themselves if we point out that it's nonsense Very complicated .

So the current stated reason is that , effectively , that if the patent were granted it would work and it would out-compete the existing systems and that would make me rich and powerful , and I guess the patent system isn't about making inventors better off , so they're not going to give it to them . Like I said , they've said that this was the best they could do .

They don't understand it but they can't do anything . So we appealed and I've also opened up a case with my congressional office . The congressional office case was unique in their experience . It took longer than any bureaucratic response they've ever gotten . It was a form letter , which is something they'd never seen before .

It contained a coda at the end where they informed them that under their policy they weren't actually supposed to talk to congressional offices and they were never going to do it again , which was news to the congressional office .

They've opened numerous cases and still have cases open with the Patent Office that don't have something like this on and they actually had factual errors . They left out the entire first yes incident to make themselves look better . So that was all very strange . I've filed an appeal and in July of 2023 , they scheduled the appeal to be heard in July of 2025 .

So they've got another 13 months before they have to attempt to defend their nonsense and we'll see what happens when that comes due . As I mentioned to you before , I do have a petition up on changeorg for anybody that would like to help help boost the concept of having a functioning economy .

You know , the only thing I don't want to , I don't want to deal with in my podcast personally , it's like , okay , we talk about it'll be a good example . We're talking about how to a heal I don't know someone's , on skin condition and yet you promote you plug in fast food . What the hell are you doing ? I'll have a problem with that , you know

. But relevant plugins , I'm all for it . So future guests . Take note . Take note seriously , take . I like relevant plugins . It could be plug in the middle . I'm sure it could even be in the beginning . Um , beginning in the end is where I'm very lazy , fair , don't care . But the middle has to be more relevant , just like that .

So future guests , pay attention . Open your ears and eyes if you're especially watching . Open your eyes and ears if you're listening . Just open your ears to your subconscious love . Hey , that's all I'm going to say about that . So you want tips how to be a great guest here ? I just gave you just one . I'd only keep this low profile . It's a great example .

I'm big mouth when it comes to good examples , all right . Um , enough of enough of guest praising . Yeah , so I think it's so you're gonna have a . So you've been having a very long bureaucratic battle . In short , back and forth , yes , then no , they ignore and they got rejected . Back and forth , it's like a . It's like a two-faced some entity .

Okay , it's a smile , yes , and then next week is no , because of abc . Yeah , I mean , legal processes are very long , very tiring and very , very tedious . But if you're gonna fight for something really believe in , just get ready for that , because the , the government , the bureaucrats .

They simply hate change , especially if they're afraid of it , if they don't see a benefit to them . Yeah , I said to them because there's a venture that's good for people but they're gonna reject because of politics and who they're influenced by and all that .

Good , it's not really a political episode , um , but I'm just gonna talk politics in the very , very surface level . Just know that , especially if it's a patent that could do some revolutionary change and change . This is one of the reasons why change never comes easy , even like a nation like America .

And if you've got what looks to be a stable job with a decent retirement coming down the pike , that's what you care about , and you don't want anything to alter the things that cause that to happen . And what we're seeing around the world is that that change is coming , whether we want it to or not .

The technological shifts are undermining our existing economic and political systems' abilities to operate .

In my case , with CDM and the market structure , I'd mentioned that the existing market operates on first-come , first-served , except that's not actually true anymore , because computers are so fast we can't actually tell the difference between who's first and who isn't , and so we actually just measure it out microsecond by microsecond , which you'd think would be unique .

Like you know , they do Olympic races in hundredths of a second , and somebody wins and you know , nobody else does . But computers can do thousands of things in a microsecond , and so what actually happens is lots of people show up first and then they have an algorithm that sort of decides who's important and who isn't , and guess who isn't important .

It's the people that actually make stuff and the people that actually use that stuff to make the things that we all live on , so that , at its very core , starts breaking down .

And with the way that I'm doing things , I don't have that time component and so I don't need to have that unfairness built into my system , because information is more important than time , and the same thing's happening in politics . We've seen an explosion in the amount of information and access that people can gain , and this can derail even national campaigns .

You know , somebody can see something or have a picture taken out of context or in context and shift enormous amounts of interest and influence just based on one crazy incident and with generative AI , it doesn't even need to be an incident that actually happens .

As good as it is and I always make , I always try to maintain a healthy , nuanced perspective as good as it is , it goes to be destructive . It's like you said , the deep fakes you know . Um , it could make me , I don't know , put me in a tutu , do ballerina dance and say a bunch of racial slurs , even though it's not true at all .

But the video who make it look very true and some people are just gonna inevitably believe it . So , oh , my god , there's a this , this evil , sick person . He likes weird tutus as well , you know , and that's , yeah , that's .

That's very , very disturbing you gotta watch out , for I think one of them already happened to biden , but I'm happy that they clamped down on it pretty quickly . Um , there was a deep fake , um , against , yeah , against , on biden and we . I still I'm not sure what the source is from .

I never heard what was the source from , but I don't think it came from the other side , the Trump camp that I know of .

That even if you see the president united states announcing a policy from the podium , uh , with the white house behind him , that doesn't actually mean that the president united states said it necessarily . Uh , but uh , there's so much of it . There's even a relatively amusing series of ones where it's it's not video .

I've seen its voice but people sort of generate twitch streams with multiplayer , but the player voices are political figures , so it can be know like Trump and Obama and Clinton in like a street fighter contest talking trash to each other like they're seven year olds , just as a joke . And this is just a thing that we can do now .

Having president yeah , former presidents , yeah , talk trash to each other , some like seven-year-olds , some like teenage backyard trash talk who's the best , and all that and some of it and a lot of the comebacks were actually hilarious . It was good comedy . I have to be honest , see that deep fake . I don't mind that , that's comedic .

We know that's fake , we know that's entertaining . I mean I'm not gonna say oh no , bandy , fake . But it comes to use the political campaign or even some I mean well , commercial campaigns , I don't know , that's a bit of a gray area . I mean I always , always thought they were boot crap , but some are very entertaining as well .

I don't know , that's a bit of a gray area . I mean , I always , always thought they were bullcrap , but some are very entertaining as well . I don't know , I don't have a strong opinion on that , but when it comes to political campaigns , I have a much stronger opinion . People gotta be careful , because he .

I mean american politics is very dirty and we could just make it dirtier by tenfold , but that stuff , I mean , yeah , I think even trump team . He reused the deep um , yeah , I think deep fake ai false alteration which he took down to rob desantis's campaign .

But that whole twitter chat thing is , oh my goodness , and I could , and I could tell it was trump team because it was like personal insults he went far with the devil . He got the devil in there . It was just a twitch chat , a twitter live I I refuse to call the x a twitter live chat and man , they were just talking , arguing among each other .

It was just , yeah , yeah , they , yeah , that's a very trumpian um , use of of ai altered technology . I mean I could , I mean people could tell . I mean some of it we could tell was deep faked by using our level of discernment . I say , yeah , he will do that . I mean , and you know you compare it to the ai versus pre-ai age .

Um , yeah , so yeah , they had that . I mean you know you compare it to the AI versus pre-AI age , yeah , so yeah , that's definitely Trumpian , that ad , because he will attack somebody and he will go , he goes for the low blow . I say , yeah , that's definitely a Trump campaign use of AI bashing Ron DeSantis , which effectively killed his campaign .

I mean , many things did , but that was just another fatal slash . Do I support that personally ? No's the . That's the world that we in , we're , we're in that age of um sense of ai use .

So it's , it's very , very , it's very , very interesting and maybe , as me as a pro ai person , um , I just think we have we just got to be careful and upgrade our critical thinking significantly . Because is this real ? I think that's the first question I got asked ourselves , because a lot of people are falling for certain deep fakes .

Some of the percentages are 80% , especially if it's used really well , that it looks so natural and real . You could tell if the arm moves a funny way or the head is positioned a weird way or certain things are off , I say yeah , say that's glitches , okay , that's ai . But if it's done almost perfectly , that could fool the , the masses , then yeah .

But I think , um , we gotta pay attention . I don't want to make this too much about ai . I don't buy . I'm going back to cdm . Um , you know , of course you want , because that's what , that's what it's all about . Um , but , um the ai use . You have the ai use of service and , yeah , the .

And so the problem that we face in our political system , now that deepfakes exist and we need to upgrade our critical thinking , our markets have been inundated with false messaging and that's what's leading to them becoming more expensive and less stable , and it behooves us not just to upgrade our critical thinking , but to use our critical thinking to upgrade our

system's ability to deal with nonsensical noise and sort of cancel that out . And that starts at the market design level , and that's where my work with CDM is coming in is that there's an enormous amount of just blithering idiocy that's being shoved into the markets and that's potentially even more important than politics .

We're wasting a huge amount of each individual human's economic potential by getting people to ingeniously come up with more effective forms of fake orders , or attempting to defend themselves against more ingenious forms of fake orders , or just receiving ineffective pricing in actual productive business that they're engaged in , and by strengthening the ability of the system

itself to filter out the noise from the signal . That greatly increases our economic capacity . And for the people that are in the political realm or in other realms , that is the challenge that faces them .

They need to figure out how to denoise their channels and the current misinformation malinformation , you know we can denoise our channels by just making that only our noise is allowed to be in the channel is not the answer that anybody's looking for .

Even some , like the pharma industry , is using um ai . So I think just banning it it's very regressive and , quite frankly , it's more out of fear than intelligent . And you know it's it . You know it's inevitable , and especially those who are feared about jobs by losing their jobs .

You're definitely lose your job if you don't try to train yourself how to use ai on in some capacity . That's how you can lose your job , almost guaranteed by just . I reject ai . Ai is for nerds . I do things the old-fashioned way . It's always . It worked for me for 25 years . Why should I change now ?

Last thing we are constantly changing and if you refuse to change with it , you're going to be nicely flushed out . It's you know . That's the unfortunate reality . I'm not , you know I . I'm pro-ai user , but I just believe you know we got to be cautious and um , and I don't know when america's gonna get this act together .

Besides , you know , blocking off your potentially good idea , we're gonna put some ai regulations , especially regarding defakes and political campaigns that something needs to be regulated , or just spreading , um , I don't know , if you keep , if you keep clamping down misinformation , it becomes it's a slippery .

Slowly it becomes an attack of 1a , which is some concerns that free speech people . Now just right wingers . There's left wingers that are pro 1a as well . Um , that's a misnomer that some people like just , oh , the left way , the left's always about cancer control . They know . No , there's some on the left . They're like pro first amendment people , free speech .

It's just that they have more left-wing opinion that that can't exist . And I know a couple examples uh , jimmy door is one of them and I'll probably add kyle klinske . Um , those are the examples I'm going to give for the top of my head . So ai use , it's gonna be , it's gonna stick with us for a very , for , at least for a very , very long time .

It going to evolve into something else . That's , that's the way I see it . Um , and just rejecting the whole idea . I think the only way you can reject this either become a cave person , live like a caveman or well , living off the grid ? Um , I'm sure I could eventually find you and you actually need some level technology .

Uh , you know , I'm not off the grid living . I would say that's not for the normal person . That's probably like for the 0.01 who wants to be away from mainstream society , and only a few could survive . That I can't survive , that I don't need apex elite level hunting skills I don't have . So you know , rejecting ai is not , it's not practical , it's just not .

Just not just go with the chain , yeah , and especially if it's relevant for your job . Anything else you want to add ?

I think that more of you are going to discover that the institutions that we have , from governments to markets , to everything else , can't stand up to the facts that we've learned , that were different from what we simply imagined might be the case before we learned these facts , and if we don't restructure society in ways that is in line with them , then we're

going to lose the society and the technology , at which point that Apex Predator thing might be the only game in town . But I have faith . I think that these problems are solvable and that we can solve them .

And just as modern paupers can live better than kings did 500 years ago , because indoor plumbing is a thing and that basically keeps your kids from dying in childhood , we have a hard time even imagining how much better a society could be if we actually could utilize computational technology and algorithmic insights in our lives and our institutions and our faith and

our , our politics and that is well said , well said , well , well said .

That's why plumbing plumbing was a very good thing . Okay , you know , this is this is , of course I'm going further back into a little bit of history .

But you know , cleaning sewers , humans , you know , used to have to do that , especially in medieval times , especially when the industrial revolution and I can't plumbing became such a thing I can go even worse than that .

Versailles doesn't have bathrooms because bathrooms weren't a thing , and the king and his nobles that basically ran a 24-7 frat party for something like a century in this ridiculously beautiful super mansion palace had to use the corners of these rooms as their bathrooms , and there were servants that basically had pooper scoopers , except that it was not dogs .

I mean , it was some dogs because they had dogs , but it was also people that they were cleaning up after yeah , so be appreciative of technological advancement .

So you know , thank goodness for plumbing , all right , just be appreciative of that , because you already said , the wealthiest person , the king , the people who have fat parts , they had to remove solid waste , just like a cat or a dog . Yeah , today's cat and dog , yeah , picture that gross .

Right , you're a little freaked out , but the point is just , we appreciate it and I appreciate plum , you know , especially reading that saying yeah , I appreciate plum because things could have , could have been a lot more barbaric , primitive and filthier and we don't want to go back to that . You know sanitation is important .

You go to scientific journals and look that up . I mean easy . You know washing your hands is very , very important , especially , I mean I don't even think it was a lot of hand soap at that time too . So that's another . That's a level of sanitation . You know that prevent a lot of diseases . You know that that could spread like wildfire .

Um , except for viruses , viruses , a whole nother thing , like the seasonal cold covid and all that stuff , but still important washing , thank goodness for soap , soap as well . So you know , we kind of um somewhat derail off topic , not too much . Not too much . I'll say that was good .

Um , because , let's see , the coordinated discovery market system could find probably definitely more equitable prices for the seller and the buyer to make as more money as possible . So just be influenced by just supply and demand , geopolitical factors , corporate greed , price gouging , like that whole baseball example I throw in there .

Um , yeah , I'll be open , I'll be happy to see that on be implemented and hopefully , when you win this case , you know there's ways you can help . I mean , you talked about the petition before and I'm going to mention it again . Um , you go to wwwchangeorg , slash cdm , underscore , that's that . That's that line in the bottom pageant .

Okay , and and you know , and he's and you could contact him . You know he's a calm , he's a calm , smart dude . I'm sure he's , I'm pretty sure he's not gonna yell you . I could bet money on that . Contact him at noah p haley at yahoocom I'm surprised yahoo is still a thing .

I have to say that they exist , but I I put them in the back burner in my mind , and he has a linkedin profile as well where you can see he has some . He has a decent amount of articles in there already . I checked it out briefly . His website is core disc . That's spelled c-o-o-r-d-i-s-c , dot , c-o-n , core disccom , and he also has a youtube video .

I'm explaining that as well . I checked that out and , um , he also has a yep secure server , cdnnet . It's a long thing , I'm not going to read it . It's going to be in the description . It it's going to be in the description . All those links are going to be in the description , especially using new software for that .

It's going to do a nice job sorting all this out . He has a podcast as well Forfstagesubstack . They talk about fintech and AI and all those kind of things Mostly AI .

That's just how it is , and I've talked about this multiple times where AI is going to kill off some jobs , but a new job is going to emerge from it , and some of them are pretty lucrative . That I'm seeing right now . So this is a job for you .

This is a chance for you to pursue a more lucrative career change , especially if you've been practicing AI and you could prove to the employer that , look , I'm your guy . I could fix complicated AI problems and prompts and all that good stuff and give you a decent wage boost .

If you want to achieve more equitable or living wages , you got to improve your skills as well . No one's going to hand that to you . I hate to say it . That sounds like it's like kind of a right wing position , but actually pretty true . So yep , so support him through that petition .

I'm going to emphasize that more and I'm going to put all of that in the description again . Just make sure that you know that you get the links nice and clean and you're going to see him on the YouTube and Rumble as well . I am still going to use those two platforms . Youtube , you know the subscribe button If you enjoyed this episode .

Let me just say that , if you really enjoyed this episode , give a like , subscribe , comment , share this with others who could benefit from this , and make sure you contact Noah , especially if you're interested in this economic revolutionary chain that I deeply believe it's needed . Do I know specifically what's going to help ?

No , but if I don't have an idea , probably this could help . Probably just could solve some of the problems I've said corporate greed , price gouging , turbulent volatile markets , geopolitical bad events , turbulent volatile markets with geopolitical bad events and something like I forgot to mention the OPEC controlling the prices as well with oil . Let's see .

Will it solve every single thing ? I don't know , but I'm open to it . The current system sucks . Something is better than nothing . We cannot let the enemy , we cannot let perfection be the enemy of good . Okay , we gotta do things step by step . That's how change gradually happens . All right , so all right . Uh , anything else you want to add ?

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