Thank you for listening to Depiction's Media Radio. Welcome to Policy Rights to show about government policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy and Rights. In this next conversation you're about to hear UM. We're going I'm going to be talking with UM special guests LB and Bob homer Um about fifteen minutes Cities and
digital currency. We all know about UM digital currency because of blockchains. And when we talk about blockchains, of course we are talking about Bitcoin and other types of public currencies that are decentralized and open to UM the the public too to mine and gather so that they can gather wealth without it beings part of
a centralized bank. The digital currencies that we're going to be talking about the day are going to be issued by government so and put through centralized banks like the Canadian dollar or as it's called, the the looney if it becomes digital, And what types of controls personal controls are we going to have to give up and how far are we going to allow the government into our finances and into our lives with a digital currency, And and we're we're going to also
talk about a Global news report that also spoke about this where they reference the positivity of the experiment or should I say, the full on use of digital currency in China and how their social media is actually controlling the people so that they cannot travel past when it's considered to be their fifteen minutes city. So there's a lot to talk about, a lot to listen to. So we're going to bring um LB and Bob Homer on one to the show in a
second so we can hear what they have to say. Because if you know Bob Homer, he has he has his own podcasts, Conspiracy and Science, where they talked about fifteen minutes cities. And LB is a great UM advocate for for human rights and for people, UM to find those rights outside of what our corporations tend to want us to have. So let's welcome to the show. Now, let's I'm gonna welcome both LB and Bob Homer to the show. Bob Homer, as you know UM, he is the host of
Conspiracy and Science. And Bob starting with you, you actually did a um you did an episode on fifteen minutes cities, right, we did earlier this year. We talked about, uh, well, I'm the science around the conspiracy part of the discussion and Jennifer is the science. So I talked about all the UM the possible negative implications of it, and jen talked about UM
possibly some possible positives UM. But I think we ended up was that there's a lot of UM, there's a lot of concern around UM making something I this a reality, Yeah, because on people looks good, but otherwise you really get to dive into it. UM, there's some serious issues surrounding it.
Yeah. OK, So so UM introducing LB you're of course you're you're my resident temperament to to my human rights activist stuff, and you're a huge advocate for human rights, UM, especially with different things with corporations and stuff like that. So trying to keep our society on track with these things in equality, right. So well, and you were actually the one who emailed me the information about fifteen Minutes cities and how it is being approved across Canada,
right. Uh. Yeah, I had come across some information UM that suggested that in several cities it was being approved in some cities more public where citizens have the opportunity to chime in and offer their opinion, and in other cities where it was simply being announced that it was in the works without a
lot of public conversation. Yeah, so from a human rights perspective, you know, just forting something like that, what are some of the some of the positives and some of the negatives for human rights with the fifteen minutes city. Well, as it's already even eluded, it's quite a complex it's quite
a complex topic. And I think the biggest thing is that there's not really the ability to have really good conversations about where this could all lead without the governments and the municipalities actually coming out with solid plans and really letting us know what's going to be happening. Right, So there's a lot of speculation, there's a lot of conjecture. There's a lot of like where is this thing
going to lead? Where is that going to go? And so if you look at where it can lead and where it could go and what it could be used for, I think there's a lot of reasons to be concerned. But how it's being presented I would see at this moment, without a lot of detail, as this very sort of you know, climate friendly, easeful thing like a European village, you know, I mean, who doesn't love
that? You know? My family comes from Europe. I've spent a lot of time there and it's wonderful right to have everything central and be able to walk to it's It sounds really nice in how it's being packaged, but we're not really getting the details. We're not really being told how far it will go, We're not being told where it will stop, where boundaries will be,
what will happen to people that aren't effective positively by it. And I think that's probably the most concerning part of this is that there's a real wack of detailed plans being released to the public, so we really don't know, right, Okay, So along with that, I'm gonna I'm gonna out there that there are now I received another email from someone in Alberta about the introduction of the digital looney, where we all know about blockchains and bitcoin, where
it's decentralized and which allows freedom of opinion and freedom of of um of of usage of it without because it's decentralized and it's not attached to a central bank or corporation or government um. But in this particular case, the digital looney or digital currencies being issued by a government will be through a centralized bank and
what happens when we put those two things together. And it's already in this one global news report, they were already talking about how China's experimenting with it and how they're getting great positive results. It's like, so both of you are aware of how China does their social media and the downside to that. M M, So what do we think. I think it's a slippery slope to introduce a non decentralized currency, because with cryptocurrency, like you said,
it is decentralized and it's it's anonymous. But they're proposing is that they're gonna that the governments will have access in control over what you spend your money on and how you spend your money. And I think that's a slippery slope of where that could lead to. It's definitely being suggested that it could be used as a control measure to make sure that you don't purchase too much of a certain thing, or purchase things that are not good for the environment, things
like this, And again it's like who's making those decisions? Where does it stop, Where do rights come into play versus what is potentially being done without a lot of discussion. Yeah, well, my opinion on this is where does democracy actually come into if the government's handing it over to us? What happened to democracy? Well? Are we supposed to decide as as a as a group in voto and things? So yeah, yeah, I would say
in theory more than in reality. These days, there seems to be a lot of legislation and decisions being made without a lot of public input, which is concerning. Yeah, I mean it's been it's been happening for a while. I mean, I mean we can, I mean, we can be pretty straight up about this. I mean not everyone's noticed it happening for a while. I have because I have a background that was somewhat tied into the medical industry and the school systems, and I saw legislation slowly being put through.
It was really strange. It was strange. There wasn't a lot of intention behind it. It was being put through without a lot of public conversation, and then it actually wasn't being used right off the bat, and it was like, well, what is this being put in for? Yeah?
You know, and then you start progressively moving forward and you start seeing them tie things into this legislation that was this kind of quietly put under, and then you start seeing how they have been shaping future policies quite far in advance, and you start to see the slippery slope. You start to see where it's like, we aren't they telling us, and what do we need to have in terms of conversations, and you know, and when is government maybe
getting a little bit too much power and control? Yeah? You know, for me, the first time I noticed that something was going wrong was the cable industry. When television was going from being that you need the rabbit ears to pick up the news to this whole subscription base. You gotta you have to call Shaw or tell Us and have them plug a cable into your house
in order for you to get television. And when it went up for a vote in some areas, because it didn't always go up for a vote in all areas, when it went up for a vote in some areas, that there was misinformation attached to the vote that a vote yes was actually was actually the vote no. They twisted the words around so that it confused people. And that was one of the things that I've noticed that and a lot of
votes, how they're setting things up there. They're introducing confusion and misinformation to control things. Also m Yeah, it's definitely all within the message and how they bird things, because a specific phrase could sway somebody one way or the other when they don't fully understand what they're voting on or or form. Yeah,
exactly right. So and well, if the example I'm bringing up was probably be forty or two thousand, and we're up to twenty twenty three and now all of a sudden we're looking at they're trying to introduce a centralized currency and oh, well, we had Tip McKenzie talking about how it's positive because oh, with COVID, imagine that we would have been able to as a government, been able to be your bank account. But at the same time, if they can befoper bank account, at the same time, can't they
take the money back out again because we said something they didn't like. H So yep, they've also put legislation through that they can pull money out of our bank accounts if our systems start feeling those were theory a few years ago, very quietly as well. There's there's a lot of implications there and just
hocke ability things like that. Security, those are also implications. How many times have you heard about data breaches with health records, and you apply that same sort of sense of security to our financial system and it's really unsafe. Yeah, I don't. I got a survey from the Bank Accnada asking about the currency, and they did ask about the security, and you know, my response was, it's just a matter of time until somebody figures out how
to hack it. I mean, in particularly with AI things like this, Like we're advancing very quickly from a technological standpoint, and you know, it's just really a matter of time until something's hackable, not really, you know, and there's nothing more to it than that, like someone's going to figure it out, and then what do we do if we're all tied into that?
Exactly right? Right, Let's face it, um that the federal government and especially does not have a very good track record with um cybersecurity m hm, and especially with the uh A live app or live can or whatever that up was for travel that they introduced. It was supposed to be like a six billion dollars a million dollar project or something like that, and then it escalated to like hundreds of millions of dollars um for really no reason, um,
And so they had no idea what they're doing. So how are they can we trust them to know what they're doing? Um with the money? Well, it's it's true. And then we find out that they were, you know, also selling our operation. Yeah, um it was. But don't worry when they do a currency they won't do that. No, no, of course don't. We don't need to worry. It's like having a really like bad you know, uh, you know friend or level or business
partner, and they keep doing wrong by you're lighting. They won't do it again. They'll do it differently this time, right, they figuring? Now? Well on that on that issue? What what what is with transparency in ethics? I mean, do do our political figures have transparency or ethics? Like you know, it's like, oh, don't worry, we we we wouldn't never lie to you. Yeah, I'm in time and time again. Um yeah, it's kind of like that ongoing abuse of long term relationship.
They've changed just you know, I mean there are people in politics that you have ethics. I do think so, um, but you know you can see them really not being able to do their job as well, and you can see them at this point at where we are in our o current climate,
you can actually see them being berated. You can see it. Like like looking at Parliament right now, a lot of the time to me just looks like a school yard, you know, situation where there's like bullying tactics, there's you know, just mocking people, there's just ignoring people, just you know, sort of laughing at them versus answering them. Like it's it's
so unprofessional, you know. And there are politicians in that room attempting to bring up important topics and attempting to have important conversations, and yet there seems to be a political client climate here in Canada where being professional is just not a thing, like it's just not required. And I find that also very concerning, like why aren't we holding our politicians to a higher standard when it
comes to having intelligent conversations actually answering each other's questions. There's topics that are just being completely avoided as well, and it's quite obvious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is beyond party stripes too. Everybody's been a UM accused of it and been a part of it. So it's not just one party versus another, or one province or federally provincially UM. Even local city councils
UM suffer from the same thing. Are these these agendas and um yeah, it's not all all these appearance of what it is right right done in there. But as time goes on you get to see the bigger picture. Well, I'm actually living in a city that's dead center of that one. It's like oh policing, Uh well, oh no, you don't get a chance to say how you feel about having should we have the RTMP or shouldn't we have the RTMP? Well it never was asked of the public. We were
just told, oh, we're getting rid of the RCMP. You know. So again, where where happened to democracy is? You know, and sometimes it's not necessarily that it's a bad idea. Um, it's just that we're not informed and we're not told better. It's just it's kind of pushed down our throats and and that particular agenda has moved along and it's been being manipulated.
Um yeah, it's true. I mean there's been things that have gone on in my local St City council, Um where even when I've tried to bring it up and ask if there is going to be a conversation on it, is there going to be you know, a time where you know we could you know, can we send a letter, can we speak up? Can we voice some concerns? Is there going to be a conversation on this
um. It's interesting because I've ended up seeing um where they've actually pulled it weight out of the city's per view and they've actually started putting it into other parts of government. And in the case, I know of one a topic that I kind of followed and I won't go to the specifics, but it actually got me all the way up to the top of the provincial couple. Is weird because I got to basically forward it all the way up there.
It took months to get there, and then no one would answer me, Like there was like, we're not going to talk to you about this. So I went from like the city telling me that it was actually like a city buildings off under their authority, and then it just kept getting pawned off
and pawned off. And it was interesting because I do have a few friends that are reporters, and there was like no way land, like that's not at all, like that's the city thing, and I'm like, no, it's not, you know, And then they followed the breadcrumbs and got the freedom of informations done on it, and sure enough it's it's it's not.
But cities were paying for these things even though they weren't city decisions, which is interesting And again I'm wondering what happened with that because traditionally UM not many people realize this, but in Canada and municipalities actually hold a lot of power. UM. They actually have a lot of authority to regulate what goes on within them, and it seems like somewhere along the lines that's kind of gotten
distorted, which is again also kind of an interesting thing to consider. Well, there was there was an issue around a hospital in UM in one municipality that it's older hospital and it's good and it's being closed in being replaced. UM. The replacement of the hospital is being moved from an area where there's um words, impoverished and it's being moved to a more upscale neighborhood. And when I asked the mayor about it, he said, is completely out of
my hands. He's like, I wish I could keep keep it, keep them the UM these medical services where they are and not move them. But it was completely yanked out of his hands and then move and decided on on a provincial level and and then handed back to him. So I mean, and shouldn't the municipality have have the ability to say, hey, but this this is the group here, they need services and this group over here has already covered. Shouldn't it shouldn't the mayor of the city or this or the
city council being able to determine that, You would think so. But again it goes back to the overarching agendas. That's um, people with more power are kind of imposing on the municipalities and to underneath them. Yeah. Somebody said to me today about and I, um, I don't know how far off topic is actually goes. But somebody said said to me a day that that there's a shadow government that has a corporate agenda. Yes, how far?
How much do you want me to get into that today? Well, I go for it, Bob, he's preparing now, you're probably the shadow government probably falls out of the We're probably out of the fifteen minute city and digital currency because it does stretch fire beyond and it's far more far reach then,
um than anything. Um. Yeah, there's there's there's groups of people who are in government, who are not in government but are members of UM corporations that definitely have an influence on policy, not just in Canada, not
just in the US, but UM worldwide. UM some people call them UM like I don't know how far I want to go in with this, but like UM because you have like people like the Calidisle Group and UM Bilderberg UM, those those types of organizations where these rich and powerful people meet and have weeklong meetings once a year and probably throughout the year, but they have a very PUBLICUM display once a year and they talk. Supposedly what they talk about
is setting the agendas for UM what's to come. So so what's to come is just determined by a group of billionaires so to speak, in not by our actual elected officials or even some of the appointed global officials that we see like in the u N, the the WHL or any of those sort of groups. Those are all kind of underneath these other groups. UM. Yeah, Yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff. UM yeah. I actually
grew up around a lot of politics. It's an interesting setup. But and whrise on, I was like I was going to be a politician because I went through my social studies classes and I saw all this stuff and I was like, wow, like this this country is built ineffectively, and so I want I talked to some of these people in politics and one person was like, please promise me never get into politics, and you know, I was like, well, what you mean, Like there's all these you know,
checks and safeties and balances, and they said, no, you have to sell your soul to get as far as they did in politics, which was quite far. And they're like things they're not what they seem. Things are not always recorded. Conversations happen all over the place, and it's tied into big business, huge And I ironically then had a career at another point in my life a little bit later because I was a kid back then where I had a career later where I did work with very great, very large international
corporations, and I started to see what this person was talking about. It was this very interesting seeing the connection between government policies, what companies wanted, what they didn't want, Seeing where there was maybe stirrups with other governments, the potential wars things like that occurring. While you start to see how like
tide and everything is. And I'm sure I had like the tenious little viewpoint of that versus what like, there's no way that was the whole thing, right, And so it's like it's what I saw is invasive as it was, there's definitely more there for people to be concerned about, like to be asking real questions about, because that means that democracy is not really what it
says it is. Um. You know, how often are we just simply being sold um ideas versus legitimately agree with what's going on and actually knowing that one thing is going to lead to or the next. Yeah. So, okay, we've talked about a lot about the bad news part. What is it in you guys an opinion? What is it that we can actually do
to push back? What can we do to pushback? We all have to ask questions and not to accept what what we're told, and keep asking those questions and not just the questions, asking those tough questions, UM, right, even down to I'll give this a quick example. UM, a few people were seven or eight years ago. I went to Las Vegas for a photography convention, and UM, going across them through the TSA security and I was questioning why I had to take off my belt and my shoes and just
by asking saying why why do we have to do it this way? I was surrounded in moments by other TSA agents and escorted to a secondary room to be added down and everything. And just by asking questions like that, it throws up, um, your your question, someone's authority, and they don't like that all the way down to the TSA agents and all the way up to the chain to who's everyone on top. But so by us asking these questions and not blindly obeying, I think that's one of the ways that we're
going to have to push back and not in like a confrontational way. I wasn't being confrontational, um, because that wouldn't get us anywhere, and that just gets negative publicity and um we demonized and whatever. But by being calm, rational and asking just asking questions um other um politicians, right, and making businesses accountable too, um like through social media or big business, Um, what are their practices? What are what are you? What are they
doing to make up their business better? Right? I like that asking questions. Um. You're reminding me of, of of course, the scientific method. Right. You keep asking questions because into into till one day we might actually find the ultimate answer. Yeah, because you've spent so many occasions that when we're told one thing and then years later it's coming through a freedom of information or whistle blowers or whatever, that the official story that we got was
completely false. But nobody was asking questions. They were just told that this was the way and and went with it. But just because it's that way doesn't mean that's the correct way or the right way or how it should be done. Right. Yeah, that's a really good lead into you just to like, you know, in terms of how we have conversations and how we
participate in society, there is a really large culture. Um there's a culture that's a rising among people that says, like, we can't question things anymore, right, And that's dangerous because we do need to qusition things. We do need to use our brains, we need to think about things. We do need to be able to make decisions for ourselves and our families that work, and you know, we want to be able to stand by our decisions. And yet there is this growing culture of like, it's not right to
ask questions. It's not okay, Like to ask that question is invasive, or that's violent, or you know, you must be stupid to ask that question. I mean, it's so fascinating because you need to go back, you know, in time it's like, oh, there's no stupid question ask questions, you know, like we used to have a culture that encouraged debate, get encouraged questioning, that encouraged having calm, rational conversations from two different
viewpoints. And now there's this culture of really shutting down viewpoints that are different than your own, or shutting down questions you can't answer, or shutting down conversations that are maybe uncomfortable, and that does not breed good relationships, good policies. It doesn't breed good relationships like one to one or on a larger scale with our governments. It just creates this sort of vulnerability to this is what we're all going to do, and we're all going to go with it.
No one's going to question it, no one's going to discuss it. And then the problem is is sometimes those otherdeals are not good, sometimes are terrible. We needed to have a you know, a discussion on it. Sometimes there is something else going on, but no one's getting to the bottom
of it because nobody's asking. So like even in your households, you know, to have to have a culture where questions can be asked, where your children, you know, and your other family members can have um, you know, reasonable debates with each other on different topics where we're not pushing our ideas and our beliefs on other people then expecting me to go with it.
If you even just create that in your home, right, and that's going to start to break out past your home and we can actually have these conversations with our neighbors and other people and then maybe city council and maybe you know, our schools and maybe our government and things like that, because that questioning thing that you are talking about is so important. Yet we are systematically building a culture we're asking questions has now become an active violence or to have a
conversation with someone that is contrary to what they believe is considered violent. And you know, I don't know about you guys, but when I do history studies, when cultures start to go that way, that's usually a fairly bad sign. Like usually nothing good comes after that. So you know, that is really important for us all to be doing and not to just blindly going with things and blindly accepting narratives and ideas that are not our own, right,
Yeah, it's it's the whole um. You're either with us or against this um. So if you don't see it's nothing is black and white, and they're trying to make it out to be black and white. Yes, I think you know, if you don't fully believe it, then you must be against us. Well, it's a very nuanced conversation, you know, everything made very black and white. I'm like, look, hold on, there's like all of these there's all of these other things and facts listening out
of this conversation, but you can't bring them up. It's like, no, that's not what it's about. It's like this or this, and it's like that's not true. And you know, if you actually look at societies that go into like a very totalitarian type state, there are there are key things that happen prior to that, and one of them is this formation of extremes where the society itself and the government and all of that starts rallying in
two different extremes. And then because of these extreme views on both sides, which I see in Canada right now, the moderate middle becomes scared of speaking up. The moderate middle, which is like ninety five percent of people, become scared to ask questions, to say anything, and yet if they did, it would lead to the whole society in a more moderate path. Yet
because there's these two extremes, everyone kind of gets silenced. And then, weirdly enough, these two extremes usually end up offering the same solutions at the end of the day, Like one is not actually better than the other. They're both quite rigid and you know, not not the best for the larger population. Right, Yeah, problem reaction solution and introduced the problems than the solutions. Yeah, they're great reaction and have the solution for the problem that
they initially created, which is on the extreme end of the spectrum. Mhm. We saw that in uh Okay in the pandemic, right, A lot of a lot of the public missed this, and in the end we're seeing this extreme inflation where our grocery bills are through the roof and to fuel up our cars is like ultimately ridiculous. But um, what was missed by the public was at the beginning of the pandemic, when Justin Trudeau decided, oh,
I'm going to create the serub. He had to print almost a trillion dollars, so he flooded them flooded our economy, the Canadian economy with it was close to a trillion dollars to be able to pay for the distribution of the Serb money. Well, what happens when the government decides to print a whole bunch of money That inflation usually follows a year or two later. Yes, it's economics, yes, yes, apparently sense, But don't worry.
They can print offs some more money now that costs have gone up, and they can give you some basic living income so that they can flood it with more money so that everything can cost even more and you can't afford that either, but don't worry. Then they'll have some more money. Right, But then there's the digital currency. We'll solve the problem with the digital currency because we've already in them printing money anyway, it's a revise, we all digitally
printed. Like if this isn't like it's you know, it's interesting, and then it's like, wait, can't afford anything, so then yes, like the fifteen minute seems beautiful because you don't need a car. You don't have to afford your car, you don't you know, yeah, exactly, you don't have to go anywhere exactly, it will be nice to the environment. Um you know, but then what if you do want to go somewhere.
Uh see, that's that's where we're where we're leading into. Well, this particular conversation as it hits social media and the Chinese model is, as his conversation would hit social media, that all three of our bank accounts would be locked up. Go where more more than just your bank account. Literally you
would not be able to go get a train ticket. Um like. They can fully lock you up, um like, they can restrict you from this, develop all of your services, and simply because you've been a bad citizen. Yeah, according to what has been determined to be good or bad? Right, Um yeah, that's dangerous in my opinion. You know, I grew up and I learned how to be a functional, responsible adult, and I don't need the government doing my parent team for me. And I don't
need them doing it for my children either or my grandchildren. And that's you know, that's not why you know, my ancestors that came, you know, fled from you know, communist countries to give my family a life here. That's not what they came, you know, they didn't come here to have more of that. Well, yeah, well we'll get into the topic of ancestors because of my ancestors or indigenous Oh wait, colonialism, there's another topic. We're gonna need a topic Glover right now, thankfully mind him more
recently. Yeah, um, yeah, like there there's lots diffmplifications with this, right, Like if we if you do have fifteen minute cities and we do have a digital currency, and you know those two things are tied into each other. You know, how quickly could you potentially not be able to access your your your money if you screw up? Um, we do already know that a lot of the groundwork for watching us on social media has already
been laid. That's you know, that's factual. There's no conspiracy about that. It's there. It's built into the social media platforms, like you'd probably already give us a rating. Um, you know, so it's not like, you know, the conversations around fifteen minutes these is not actually a lot of conspiracy talk, I would say, even really going on. There's a
lot of actual factual things happening all over the world with it. Um, that could very easily affect the freedoms that we have and the rights that we have and our ability to move and our ability to have a business, and even trying to have conversations with local governments about that. I'm involved with businesses and we're attempting to have conversations with the municipalities about how we would you know, if these cities are put in, how does that affect us as businesses?
How do we move from city to city doing our job, having our employees moved from city to city, would they be penalized? Would we have the same amount of passes? Would we have more passes? You know, are they not going to restrict movement at all? In which case, you know, that's kind of interesting. It's not generally where these conversations are leading right now, but you know, if that's factually not going to happen, and we'd like to know that too, or like, how is that going
to affect people's businesses? How is it to get affect where they work? Like if you have to work within fifteen minutes of you where you live and you don't work remotely, does that mean you need to get a new job? And then where if it's a stay money, who handles the extra money for you? Is that where this basic income conversation is coming in. Then will you be told that you can just work any job within fifteen minutes and you can make basic income? Like, there's so many pieces to this that
aren't being discussed. There's a good question is basic income going to pay for us to maintain the type of of of middle class life that we actually have right now or is it going to or is there going to be a downgrade? There is some one going to come from to pay everybody that basic income? Are they going to prove more money that is going to skyrocket everything?
And the cycle continues, yeah, exactly. And then and then what happens then d end up right countries where then your choices are now limited because that's all you know, people can afford. We don't really have a market for these other things now. Now we don't have businesses that are bringing in new and innovative products because they've also been restricted by whatever policies are in place and costs and all that. You know, I know a lot of business owners,
a lot of business owners that I know have left Canada. They're not here anymore. They're like, you know, where the decisions that are being made here do not seem beneficial for their businesses. Don't blame them. And that's another good point. When they did the episode on my show we talked about this fair bid was if you have the fifteen minute cities, what kind
of what types of businesses are going to be allowed to come in? And are they going to be They're going to be the cost goes and the big box stores and the little mom and pop shops are going to be pushed out because when we are going to be a little afford the rent, they're not going to have the foot traffic the um so there's there's there's just going to be big box stores. And are there each zone? Is there going to
be like a costco in every zone? Or like how or like for restaurants or or they're gonna be like fast food mc Donalds or um or what happens they have like a subway in art in one zone, but then you want to go to like an Italian restaurants to zones over How how is that going to work? When they when they're setting uh limits like in Oxford, Englands, when you can really go one hundred free trips, or or they're going to start finding your seventy pounds per extra trip, Like how I don't understand
how that's gonna be beneficial. Yeah, and then do the rich people will get to like move around more than the poor people, you know, Like how about that? Um you know how rural people, how are they going to do that? I mean, look at some rural communities need to like commend to cities for their medical care for like all of that kind of stuff. Um, you know, how how are those businesses in rural cities going
to get their supplies? How are they going to be doing business? Are we just going to be squeezing out rural cities, like rural towns, real people, um? You know? And then how is that work into our class system? Like I don't know, because they can't have a hospital in every little zone every fifteen minutes, a hospital that has stated the arch equipment and doctors. Um, it's just not possible. Um. So yeah, so we're gonna have to call an ambulance to take you three zones over.
That's going to cost you. So we're not going to people on lower income, They're not going to be able to afford to do that. So, like you said, it's going to create like a whole separate class and to the vitus even even further. Yeah, like what if you have, like you know, a family member that's in the hospital or you know, needs to be somewhere else for medical attention or something like that, like a child, you know, are you wanting to give you an apartment in that zone?
And then if we start going there, then that just opens up a whole other account of worms where we're going to give people apartments from if we need to start doing that so that they can live in his own temporarily. Um, where is that coming from? Who's going to own that? You know? What is the system that's going to be behind that. It seems like to really implement fifteen minutes cities, you need to implement a lot of
other like systems and policies and structures that aren't currently in place. And I'm just really I'm sure why these aren't being discussed. I Mean, these seem like things that we'd really have to think through before implementation, and yet cities are already implementing this stuff. Yeah. Well, you're bringing up some interesting points on housing though, in the term affordable housing um is very vague, and if we if we look closely in from when we were growing up to
our children. The possibility of home ownership has shrunk. It has shrunk tremendously.
That UM that they're with the whole fifteen minute city thing. Are they going to push out the idea of homeownership and that somebody, somebody else owns the landing you're just renting, and I think even the types of homes, but they're building, they're they're pushing a certain type of home because what would be in the market but another year and a half, UM that anything that's an oppress range is going to be a small condo three bedrooms, UM,
when we don't want a small condo in three bedrooms, we want something slightly bigger. But they're not making they're not making like those types of houses. UM that like where we are now anymore, because you're trying to stock as many people and create and I'm seeing more and more of UM retail below residential above. So they're not they may not be doing a fifteen minite city,
but they are. They're they're trying that. They're they're already starting to create it, create it with UM forcing developers to put retail underneath and smaller three junior three bedroom condos up above. Um with tiny balconies and new yard and making it more a communal um moving space. Yeah, and below, and not everybody wants that. But that's all that the knee developments that's being built through the vast majority of new development that's it's being built. Yeah, yeah,
I mean that's it's not even actually healthy living for some people. Some people, and we know this, are very sensitive to WiFi routers things like that. And if you're that kind of person and you're living in a like densely compacted apartment building, there are actual health problems that you're going to have living that close to that many routers that you know, many signals that are
just on all day. So it's not even actually reasonably living conditions for some people, even if you could do it and you did like it, you know, from every other standpoint. Right, So again there's another nuanced conversation. We aren't all built the same, we're not all builts to live the
same, we're not all built to be eating the same things. And you know, it is a little concerning when you start king at fifteen minute cities that there would be some sort of where that we would all need to be living in order to adapt to that and would that actually be reasonable to be asking everyone to do? Yeah, right, and that that's a good point because they're trying to make this crookie cutter solution that's going to work everywhere,
regardless of climate, of geography, population, UM. This fifteen minutes ce this, this is the way, UM, but it's not. There's so we've talked of it. There's so many nuances and gray areas in the conversation that it's not going to work the way that it's going to It's not going
to work the same in in every single area around the world. UM. It has to be adopted to to the region, to the to the area, to the population that's there, UM, and UM find solutions for those individual area is not just some cookie cutter It works here, so it's got to work over in Australia. Well yeah, and then if you don't feel to special privileges, and then how do we determine special privileges? Um? You know who's who's doing that? Who gets to leap for special privileged reasons
or you know, bring in different foods for special privileged reasons. I find a fascinating that we're talking about fifteen minutes cities for light climate change, but we still fly our food halfway over the planet, you know, food that could be grown here if we actually supported better agricultural practices and actually gave people, you know, the ability to go run farms in a really smart way.
US that have mixed m you know, they're mixed. They're not just you know, cattle, they're not dis vegetables, they're not just you know, because there's a lot of implications with that. Really farming needs to be mixed. We need to be doing all these different things on the same lands that it can be revitalized and renourished and actually be you smartly. But we're not doing that like that. This system kind of systematically pushes those options away
too. So are we gonna start flying in We're gonna be like saving ourselves with like carbon climate change stuff in a fifteen minutes city, but we're going to be flying more stuff in or I mean, it's a weird And then I heard where did I hear the other day some newscasters talking about like starting to little an application to fly places too, because like that's bad as well.
And then what we need to start asking for permission to go on vacations and business trips and we would be able like applying and you know this, they made it sound very exciting, um, because you know, you get to apply to travel and it it sounds super exciting to me. I'm like, who decides and if your trip to go see your dying relative is okay or your trip for business is okay, and if we are doing fifteen minutes cities, then we'll trips for business be okay at all outside of even our
drive a whole zones. Um. You know, like how far does this reach out and how far does it restrict us? And then again, do some people get special privileges like you guys are really good speakers when you get like a special card that lets you travel around and speak or yeah yeah, yeah, well you you see, see this whole application to travel thing. You bring up a good point when you talk about the mesh media person standing in front of a camera or sitting in front of a camera as it were.
Yeah, they weren't setting And it's like, how exciting is is that you get to apply for It's like they're they're they're building up a wall of propaganda that people like, oh see that he made it sound exciting and it's okay, I'm going to drop the first F bomb in this whole conversation. It's on my fuck. But we just look at the NEXTUS cards. The conditioning for this type of applying to travel UM. An excess card makes you travel between Canada and the USUM super fast. You don't have to wait in
line. UM. You just have to apply for it and go through security checks and and pay a fee for this extra privilege. So for for years since the introduction of it, it's it's it's just another way of conditioning us slowly over time and introducing bit like bit um like. This whole thing reminds me of like a pointalism painting. When you're looking at it really up close, it's just a bunch of little random dots and you can't see it.
But then when you step back, you see the whole picture. And that's kind of like what they're doing here with us is that they're giving us. They're making a stand two inches away from the painting, and here's a dot, here's a dot, here's a dot. It's all good, um, because these are nice, these are nice colors and whatever, um, But they don't want you to step back and see the big picture. Yeah, they don't want to see what you're doing. Yeah, nothing, what they're
doing. Yeah on the on the step back part. And um, there's a legislation in um in Ottawa that they wrapped around that idea of social media that in this bill was actually created during covid because there was people out there saying, well, questioning what it was that we were doing during during the
covid UM pandemic. And now that we're past it, of course past the pandemic, but this bill would actually make it more or less make it illegal for you to say anything outside of what the mass media is talking about that if you make a post that it can be yanked down and maybe you can be fined. How are they determined with digital currency? How are they determined that that fine would look like maybe you lose social media points or something.
But this bill is sitting there and just waiting for the right vote to happen so that it can be passed through and know and people are thinking that it's aims solely at those people who want to cause controversy, But the controversy is really what the bill actually says and how it can affect anyone and take take your ability to speak up away from you. Yeah. I mean people often agree with these things when they agree with whatever the government is saying at the
moment or the media. But I mean as soon as you flip around and they believe something that you know goes against that you know, it tends to change. And we've seen listen in previous civilizations and previous societies. Right, it's all fine and dandy when you feel like you're on the right side of
it to be penalizing other people for speaking up and having different opinions. But you know, when it turns and it becomes your turn to be quieted or to be told to do something that you don't agree with, or to have your family subjected to something that you don't believe in, then it you know, then it's like, oh, well, Lakes, but it's too late, all right, you know? Yeah, anyway, because we can, we can keep going with this, but we do have a time limit.
So um, why don't we get to final thoughts and LB final thoughts on um on fifteen minutes cities and combined with with digital currency separately or combined. I think there needs to be a lot more public, open discussion about it. There's a lot more questions that need to be asked, there's a lot of answers that need to be provided. We would need to set really appropriate
limits and boundaries. Um as things are being rolled out now, I think it's a completely slippery so um, I don't think you know, people should be supporting just a haphazard sort of roll out. Um, why would we do that? I mean, that's just that's not that's not a good data run your life. It's not a good way to run a business. It's
not a good way to run a country or a city. Right. Um, people should really be looking were in depth, well thought out answers on both of these things, and really be looking into as many aspects of these issues as they can because you know, as we've just like touched on this attiue leading a little bit today, there's so many parts of our society and our family life and our personal lives that these things would would or could touch
on and affect and change. So you know, I think that you know, these are topics that we really need to proceed with with a lot of caution in terms of agreeing with because there's just there's so much this is not really being fully discussed at this point in a public way, where we would know where things would lead and where they would stop, and what the boundaries would be, and how we would deal with all of these nuances that would arise from these two things. Yeah, okay, go ahead, Bob,
I totally agree. Um. I think our leaders, our leaders should have should make decisions based on on science and economics and public input and not just have like a knee jerk reaction to um, whatever the hot topic is of the day and create a policy that um that's not well thought out and port and ultimately poorly implemented, and then um yeah yeah, the hot science of the day, like all the science, all the science, not just what's
trendy right now or what one study showed or whatever it is on any number of something topics there. Yeah all right, okay, thanks guys, thanks and if thank thank you everybody for listening. And these are some really hot hot topic items and we need to actually investigate as the general public and enforce our government officials to keep us in a real democracy where we can actually speak
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