Thank you for listening to de Pictures Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, the show about the government, policy and human rights. Hide Welcome back to Policy and Rights Here in Depictions Media Radio, I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. We're gonna you've probably even seen in the news about Anthony Rote who invited a Nazi into Parliament and recognized him as a war hero. Later did it during the session, it was discovered that he was actually a Nazi soldier
even though he was born in Ukraine. And we've we've heard statements that there were thousands of Ukrainian men who wound up fighting on the side of the Third Reich during World War Two. We also heard that that millions were not more actually fought on the other side against that they're right. So in We're gonna hear Anthony wrotea's apology and his resignation. Takes about a manage or two for
him to do that and discuss that. By time you're actually hearing my voice talking about his resignation, he has already resigned, and that they're well in a way to electing a new Speaker of the House of Commons. But there are are other things happening in Canada that need to be talked about along with this. Not saying that something like this an embarrassing moment for a country that
it's supposed to be a safe haven for democracy, isn't important. Not saying that the Holocausts and the mass murdering of the Jewish people, which be totally honest with you, my grandmoth of my grandfathers managed to escape that Holocaust. It is important. Anytime someone is killed out of hatred, that is an important thing to talk about. It is important to make sure that we're standing for the side of those who want to promote love, to promote freedom,
and promote those ideals that lead to the betterment of the human race. Not saying that that that Anthony Rota's actions are at the worst questionable. That yeah, maybe as a nation, Canada needs to apologize to the world for allowing a system that would eventually recognize a Nazi on Parliament floor. That needs to
be re examined. All these things are true, but I also have to question that there were documents brought up that could explain who actually killed a Zeke leader in Surrey, BC, a Canadian citizen on Canadian soil who was murdered by a foreign power according to these documents, but no one wants to wants
to really bring those documents out into the public. They're saying they're they're using terminology that says that it might disturb the investigation, it might taint the investigation if we talk about these documents before we get completely through the investigation, and that we've managed to try the person who murder or people who murdered a man, it is just as important to learn what happened to him, who it was that ultimately ordered him to be killed, What happened and why was Niger
or I should say her hard Deep Singh Niger killed in SURRYBC. Who ordered the order? Was it? Was it the a member of the Indian government who actually said it's time to kill him. He was ambushed. And we need to make sure that we're still talking about this event at the same time we're talking about what is happening with Anthony Rota. He's apologized, he's resigned, he's admitted to what happened and said that it shouldn't shouldn't have ever happened
and shouldn't never happen again. Should he continue to be the speaker of the House of Commons, maybe not. Should he continue to be an MP? Should he be thrown out of the Liberal caucus? Maybe maybe not? Should we as Canadians, because we believe in humanity and that we believe that people can overcome their mistakes and learn. It's part of the fabric of a democracy that a person can learn from their mistakes. It's part of a loving society
that a person can learn from their mistakes. We should be offering him our forgiveness and not hanging him on across and hang him on across that actually could sweep away the facts that led to the death of another Canadian citizen. That causes a distraction so that the public can't see what is really happening. That allows our government to put up a smoke screen so that the public doesn't know
what happened to a religious leader. So with that gonna let you listen to what we're recorded as the Liberal MPs were going into caucus to discuss what was going to happen with the speaker, among the other things that they say that, hey, it's a private room, we can't discuss it. There's a whole lot of things that happened in that room or sett in that room that
they can't discuss because it's private. And yet what happened and that happens in that room and discussing that room has a direct effect on us the public. How do we get government to be transparent in everything that they do? How do we convince Justin Trudeau that transparency is the way to run a country? For that matter, I hope would hope that jag meets Sing and Pierre Povier are also listening to the fact that, yes, they need to be transparent,
tell what they're doing, what they're thinking. Ultimately, the people of Canada should be the ones to decide anyway. It is my opinion that hey, Anthony wrote to while he made a mistake, they're going to use that mistake to sweep under the rug the truth of what is going on with a murder that happened by a foreign power on Canadian soil to a Canadian citizen. And maybe the people of Canada need to take up a voice and make sure
that that doesn't happen. So why don't we listen to Anthony wrote to his apology and his red Nation. How all the other MP's are of real acted to the fact that a Nazi appeared on the Canadian Parliament floor, as well as some other things that were said by Pierre Provier that he is asking Gestion Trudeau to make an apology himself, that he should take responsibility for what happened
on the parliament floor. Let's this and that and hope. It's with a heavy heart that I rise to inform members of my resignation as Speaker the House of Commons. It has been my greatest honor as a parliamentarian to have been elected by you, my peers, to serve as the Speaker of the House of Commons for the forty third and forty fourth Parliament. I have acted as your humble servant of this House, carrying out the important responsible abilities of this
position to the very best of my abilities. Jersiabou remercier, bou micolge poor votrepui e votre colegilti ziram manda a la prisidance. The work of this House is above any of us. Therefore I must step down as your Speaker.
I reiterate my profound regret for my error and recognizing an individual in the House during the Joint Address to Parliament of President Zelinsky that public recognition has caused pain to individuals and communities, including the Jewish community in Canada and around the world, in addition to survivors of Nazi atrocities in Poland among other nations. I
accept full responsibility for my actions. My resignation is effective at the end of the sitting day tomorrow Wednesday, September twenty seven, to allow reparations for the election of a news speaker. Until that time, the Deputy speakers will chair the House proceedings. Thank you Malc. Obviously, it's extremely upsetting that has
happened. The speeder speaker has acknowledged his mistake and is apologized, but this is something that is deeply embarrassing to the Parliament of Canada and by extension to all Canadians, I think particularly of Jewish MP's and all members of the Jewish
community across the country. Or celebrating or commemorating Yum Kapoor today, I think it's going to be really important that all of us push back against Russian propaganda, Russian disinformation and continue our steadfast and unequivocal support for Ukraine, as we did last week, with an ancing further measures to stand with Ukraine in Russia's legal war against it, japasque Clerqui in acceptable, cossi president la champ a
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o bolni oh zuker Zeedynski kenezi sisak van de camp come convat. Justin Trudeau was responsible for inviting President Zelinski to the House of Commons to give that speech. He was responsible for making the event a success. He is responsible for the officials at Global Affairs, the Intelligence Services, the Prime Minister's Protocol office, all of him whom could have and should have asked for a complete vetted list of every one of the people who would be in the room and in
proximity of a wartime leader. Every single person ought to have been vetted for their diplomatic and security sensitivities. If the Prime Minister and his massive apparatus we're doing their jobs. The Prime Minister is now responsible for the biggest single diplomatic embarrassment in Canadian history. And what has he done with that responsibility. He's been hiding out at his cottage for three days. He's hid there instead of
coming to the House of Commons and taking responsibility. There's always someone else to blame when it comes to just to Justin Trudeau. But here's the reality. Responsibility and power go together. If he wants the power, he has to take the responsibility and come to the floor of the House of Commons today and apologize to Jews, Poles, Ukrainians and all Canadians. Justin Trudeau, do your job, stop hiding, take responsibility and apologize. Thank you very much.
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let's take a step back. I don't know, and I'm sure all of you standing in front of me would feel the same that we would give our life rather than see the darkness that was embodied by the Nazis reclaimed this world. All of us are steadfast united against tyranny and oppression, and mistakes get made in this world. How we treat people who make mistakes is important. This was a huge mistake, an absolutely massiveness spake that caused this country enormous
embarrassment and set back the cause of democracy. There's no question of that. But I believe it was earnestly made. I don't believe that mister Rhoda set out with intention in his heart to hurt anybody. Yes, he should have been more diligent. Yes, the choices he made were poor, and he
suffered a grave consequence for that. But sometimes if we focus all of our energy and attention on somebody's innocent and earnestly made mistakes, then we forget in the world there is grave evil, and right now, pushing into Ukraine is
grave evil that threatens not Ukraine, but threatens democracy everywhere. And if we get lost in the thrust and party of our debate here about earnestly made mistakes that must face serious consequences, then we can also lose the bigger thread of the bigger threat and the greater evils that faces in your own words, does that not require a government responds an official apology within those comments on behalf of the government for the mistake that Speaker na made. So will you make that
case? Well, I again, I understand as all of us, I stood and applauded. I stood in my place and applauded, and for that I am deeply sorry. Personally, I feel betrayed myself that I was put into a situation and I stood and applauded something that was contrary to my values. But it seems to me that we're all extremely zealous about continuing to pursue this. Well what we need to be zealous about. And I can see you shaking your head no, And I would ask you because I'm sure you
and I are aligned in the cause of democracy. I'm sure you and I are aligned in standing against autocracy. And if we're going to battle against the and we're going to spend all of our time and energy fighting on somebody who has stepped down, who is an honorable gentleman, the speaker, the question is about an apology, right weel the government apologist. So as you're yelling at me as I'm just him, as you're yelling at as you're yelling at
me. Okay, about what about what you feel the government should or shouldn't do. I'm trying to say to you that I believe the focus of this government, the focus of all parliamentarians, should be standing united because what is Putin doing with this. He's lying, he's manipulating, he's trying to turn an earnest mistake into something else you want to talk about. I think that the situation was totally unacceptable and that we I'm not sure what what what folks
are after here. I mean in the questions. Let me let me be very clear, I said it, so let me, let me let me say. Let me say this, because I can only speak for me. I am the person that's in front of you right now. I deeply apologize personally. I stood and I applauded somebody who is completely contrary to my values. That was made me feel disgusting, Okay, I felt awful and terrible after that. I apologize to anybody who suffered. I apologize to the Jewish
community. I apologize to anybody who fought in against the darkness that that is I can say to them that the core of my values is that I stand full square with them and I would lay down my life in that cause. So I personally apologize and I am deeply sorry, and I have every parliamentarian I talked to who stood and applauded that day I know feels that way. I'll about the best excusing Le President de la chaise is excuse. It is
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this one. That's not just speaker resign. Well, the speaker needed to resign because this was his decision and the actions that he took that hurt all of us as parliamentarians but indeed all Canadians. And so he's taken that responsibility.
He has stepped down, which he absolutely needed to do because he made a big mistake that has really hurt all disappoint he needs last week, and I think Speaker Rota has taking responsibility for the invitation acknowledging and recognize the person in the gallery, and he's made it an honorable decision action apologize on an international speaker. Rode is taking the action he felt was necessary. Would we should we reopen the nation before given what has happened in terms of the investigation
about individuals who are involved with criminality, war climes, etcetera. I think what's important to understand is that there's a process in place in Canada, including at my department. We have a war crimes unit that investigates and where enough evidence has been amassed, has the ability to really charges and actually prosecute or
criminals that are within Canada. That's important. I think you should also take guidance from the fact that Canadians should take guidance from the fact that we've also taken a leadership role in terms of investing your work crimes that are contemporary, whether that's what the Rohinia and the interdence of indianmar whether what's that's what's going on with the Russian Ukrainian conflict. I've had direct conversations with the Ukrainian Prosecutor
General. But alleged Russian war crimes that are occurring as history, does this show that we don't know enough about the Holocaust and that we need to know exactly how many Nazis have been welcomed into Canada. I think I think there's always room to learn about instances of throws human rights violations around the planet that have occurred over time. Obviously, we've invested money in terms of Holocaust awareness, a special Envoyd make symptoms. Those are important issues. Is there more
to learn? There will always be? Do you support the opening the Deshan report? What I will always support is ensuring that people who perpetrated word crimes or crimes against humanity contrict genside from Yeah, but are you saying this is old business? Is that I haven't been watching the quality for over the past
number a few years. We're going to continue to demonstrate or support through actions, not merely through words, and my senses that will will maintain a strong relationship with Ukraine and it's war uh in the invasion, it's facing this result of this ward repression from the last night on the hell there. It seems there was a cabinet or caucus meeting here last night there was a caucus meeting.
But look, as you guys will appreciate, once I go into that room, I don't talk about what we discussed inside that room apologize for what happened. Sorry, I was just providing an answer. My view is that it's really important that we understand who's responded for different actions in the present incidence. Every indication that I have is that there was a private invitation sent by the Speaker, that any considerations about the appropriates of their their attendance was a
decision of the Speaker's office. The appropriate response, and my point, from my point of view, was an apology and a resignation from mister Rhoda. I should say, mister Rhoda is an individual and I have had a need to have respect for It's regrettable what took place. The consequences are are very serious. But my sense is the appropriate response was an apology and resignation which
has taken place. Consideration. No, not a POCOLI and you do a corkis, sir, you take your master monkey, you step out and maybe you show me all No no, Look, you don't income dons, uh because somebody just uh last week was uh it was a candid meeting. I wasn't that. There wasn't it. I was bowling my team and team building for my new my new political tool. So I, uh, you can't speak for that at all, apologize, apologize for living. So they're being
a Nazi in the House of Commons. Well, look, I think this is Canada has a really dark history with uh with uh with with with Nazis and Cannadas. Uh. There was a point in our history where it was easier to get in as a Nazi than it was as a Jewish person. I think that's that's true. I think we have to reconcile. The Cabinet took a decision in May of nineteen fifty the letting members of the List and division. Sure all well aware of addition report. I would encourage you to
read it again. It is part of that dark history, the Wanter directing with and this was just another disgraceful expression of it. As you know, what's a good man it is was solely responsible for inviting person and he took responsibility for it, didn't attend it. So I would it couldn't tell you.
I didn't. Even if I did attended, I wouldn't tell you because it's private, and I think we have to decide things amongst liberals, which in the prime starts under be some sort of a disquestion for the primest still fancy amount, past amount, the expressive Again people we depty sit then yea like aspect book which must get paid in six person kid can my business Asian
passports matters? But at LA shows don't generals names you know? Comment Kathany wrote, I don't look us. I did much most pect getting City Cook yourself should demanded declassify some of its documents around. I don't know the details. I don't know what you do that something like. I did not expect at the beginning of the week to be reading the Deshen Report. I've never read it twice. There are appendices that I understand the names of people.
I understand that there are many groups of leading Jewish advocats of books that are demanding for the release of those names and some things that that we could possibly examine. Again, not being friendly to what it is in those dogs and have a particular view, there are fully four done it yet, But again in a country like Canada that has not only a difficult history with with Nazis in Canada, but also one of the most important asker of Jish people,
including some of the largest proportions of Holocaust survivors. Impunity is absolutely given that particular matter. It's very serious and uh, the Speaker has taken responsibility and he's und the honorable thing. And I'm glad that he's for what happened in the house question that's a that's a good question. I think it's a discussion. We should have a cause. I think it was extremely unfortunate, unacceptable. The Speaker did what the Speaker felt was the best thing to do for
Parliament. I think we need to work hard to rebuild some credibility trust. It's just an unfortunate intiment. We should build our by working very hard, by demonstrating that Canada's democracy is alive and well resilient, by being the role model that we are liably would you recommend that Canada politess, I recommend that we have a discussion about this in concuss so you were better look what is the probably have said that there Sea can look into. This is the community.
I think the Board of internal economy would be want to look at this is the committee we may want to do it between health takers. I think we have to come together. So if we make this any more further partisan, it's just not good country. Its four countries they're watching this country. I spent a lot of my life building democracies all over the world. I spent two years in the former USSR. I'm on the way to end goal in October. I take the elevations all over the world and Canada's held up
as a model for democracy. We have to continue to to put that forward in in a serious way and fossil ways. I think where we are to get to will we lock like this? And just because bust s Puss import Jack calls the six sixty one point is the disk formas quite assocation. I've also had the Prime Minister should apologize to gets for what happened in the house on Friday that he has an obigas the apologized personally. No, the Speaker
made a horrendous mistake. It was his decision. That gallery is his gallery, and he makes the decisions on who's going to be and he made a decision to invite member from his constituency. It was the wrong person at the wrong time on behalf of the country. It wasn't. I don't think it's the country. I think that mistake and he has paid a dute price. Flag. Can you tell us what you'd like to see a speaker I'm not
sure yet. What qualities are you looking for? A speaker that's impartial as usual in a speaker that serves at the pleasure of the house Curtius or popolo. So that's why I could you believe so pleased that should be sure? Put ain't egg the Prime Minister should apologize. Do you think the Prime Minister
should apologize for fincud being in the House of Commons? Okay, I think the Speaker has come very clean with what would happen and apologized and I know this is something that was the choice of the speaker, so I think he shot himself accountable and well what put the Prime minister? This is you know, on behalf of Canada. Doesn't mean he has to take personal responsibility. But do you think he should apologize in some way? Question? I think
that's on the Prime Minister to do. I know it's something that's very hurtful to see. I think we need to constantly stand against ninety seven to work in all its forms and in all its next forms, and erticl you for me, what happened the last next CogAT movie? What happens in carcass is
you stays in pockets? And the topic lest about sneaker reactions about this I can't prevaable if we talked about in these author's it's probably oh the interesting WALKI no no, no, no, no, no, no no no. Traditional Commuti doesn't think all that dunk is brazy donk cral sah no so no no, no, no, no, no, no po oh, couldn't holiday form happened lest week like you group as formally as a country. I mean, I think certainly we have to take responsibility for the fact that there
was a natzie in the chamber. So I think the paper properly taken responsibility and step down. But it doesn't mean that there's no responsibility elsewhere as well. It's not a question of Canada excusing yourself. It's a question of Canada accepting the fact that we had natzie or chamber. It's an embarrassment for all of us and we all need to accept that that is being a shame on all of us. That's tradition. Me your quick, I find the dual
because they could on except Yea and manek avank What can do that? Kan? He's nowa what sixcuse clock on two Champs plastikasin, don't pun mister house there. Are you going to make the case in caucus that the Prime Minister
should issue a formal apologize? I I. What I am going to say is that we need to fix the procedures to make sure something like this can never happen again, because as a huge embarrassment for Canada, it is totally unacceptable that a nazy somebody with that kind of pass is recognized in the chamber. We need to change the procedures to make sure that nobody can be recognized
during a state visit without getting them properly. Are you going to go into banks apologize, Prime Minister, apologize for what happened inside, for there being a Nazi in the chamber? Does there need to be a formal apology from the government of Canada other than the speakers? The Speaker has taken responsibility, has done the honorable things. Should he stay in caucus? Tristan and being speaker. Are you interested in being speaker? Am I interested in being speaker?
No? Do you think the Prime Minister should apologize for the whole controversy? Leave that to him. What do you think he should? Do you think he has? I think he has apply on behalf of Canada. Should Canada issue a formal apology for this form I leave that to our leadership to make that decisions sis it on sec that could lava as well. The Premier
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he has resigned from a being a speaker. That's was a problem as a speaker, he made a terrible mistake. He admitted to that. Fortunately he resigned yesterday, but was the right thing for him to do. And now we will the normal MP in the House of compas can be. Caucus.
Can you return into the world caucuss because after this kind of little cacus decide it's wolves important different mister or mister Rolta to decide as well, but base on what he has said yesterday, we can move onward for the dilection of the new speakers. Thank you, Gifthy, I'm sorry, are you thinking about writing for speaker? Yes, I am. Let my name stand and along with some really other great candidates in Parliament. What do you think
needs to change? Well, I think we should. I think how do I put this the importance of the rights and the rules and traditions of the House allow to encourage frank, passionate debates, but within a framework of making sure that we could talk to each other, because each one of the three hundred and thirty eight members of Parliament have a right to be in the House, to express themselves and not to be intimidated, and to making sure that
they can freely express themselves. Mister truepen, you know, what is it? What are you going to do in this new role as on this happy it's actually even doing I guess with with you know, more of a focus. How do we how do we square the circle? It's not an easy one. How do we How do we make sure they meet workers across this country feel included in in a massive energy transition. You know that's happening. No, it's here, but around the world, the world's looking at usps.
They want us, they want us to get this right. And I'm ampardy every day, my own fault, because I'm consumed with it, with just these sorts of struggles happening all around. And I am happy about that because I'm happy people are engaged. I'm happy governments and companies and unions are finally taking this seriously. It's gonna be messy, lowing emissions and keeping our communists to flow up a crosspering. It's gonna be a messy old business.
I've been on the front lines of it for years. Rarely does it make any one fashion or or constituency happy or do what It's real. Now you know it's real. So I'm delighted for the focus. And I guess you know, I was gonna say, you know, are you gonna take more of a focal role that was an advocate for the clean energy sector in Atlantic
Canaday? Are kind not already doing that role. So we're you know, we're looking at Monta Palm marshaling, you know, we're looking at We're looking at basically the foundations for winter mines that are that are going to be stored there and then brought down across the whole Eastern seaboard to it like it's gold. And and you know, my well, Newfoundland is far away from most of the rest of Canada, is close to north is close to Eastern Sea
or word of the United States, Like what's happening in Newfoundland? And I would right now happen any real it has been. It has been within my professional life and I can't believe it. And it's because people there came on board. But it ain't easy. That ain't easy. This is a big, big, long haul for this country. But getting there aw things okay, So thank you for listening today, and we heard lots going on with
the MPs. We if you listen really closely, you probably heard and a reporter actually asked, what is happening in SERIEBC with the murder of heart deep singh n is your You probably heard it, but there was never an answer given. Why wasn't the answer to the question. Why was the question skipped over national security? M Maybe so we do knew this that we are supposed
to be Canada a safe haven for democracy. We're supposed to be a safe haven for those who are trying to escape tyranny that is handed out by other governments, and we know that Canada should be at that point. Canada should be standing up for things that would end that tyranny. Yes, inviting a Nazi onto Parliament floor does not necessarily promote ending tyranny in the world. Allowing Neo Nazis to start a parent group in Port Coquitlam, white moms, white
children, something or another. A group that is promoting the idea that if you want your children to grow up with other children like them, you should join this group. That we should teach white children to play with other white children and to snub the rest that doesn't belong in Canada, not a Canada that supports democracy and stands for freedom and equality, that no matter how diverse we are, that we should be allowed basic freedoms and rights. If that's
a Canada that we're supposed to have, those sort groups shouldn't exist. We shouldn't be teaching our children to hate. We should be teaching our children to love. Oh wait, you don't have to teach a child to love. You only have to teach a child to hate. Interesting thing there that you only need to teach a child to hate, that a human being from the
time of birth innately knows how to love. So let's all allow the love to come forward, put the fears aside, and let's find equality for everyone who lives in our country, our continent, our hemisphere, and thus our world. Thank you for listening today. I've been Michael Cloggs, You've been listening to policy and rates, and I invite you to find that subscribe button so we can all stand together for human rights and equality for all. The
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