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The Human Rights Council of the United Nations discussed the humanitarian efforts and the humanitarian situation in Myanmar itself. Well, Myanmar is an ancient country, in some ways. During some of its colonial time, it was also known as Burma. Of course, right now it is known as Myanmar, and it has struggled politically.

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Speaker 1

Thank you for listening to Pictures Media Radio.

Speaker 2

Welcome to Policy and Rights show. Gosh, welcome to Policy that human joys. All right, welcome back to Policy and Rights here depicting its Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. Let's discuss Me and Mar. We're going to have a recording from the Human Rights Council, part of the United Nations, as they discuss the humanitarian efforts and the humanitarian situation in Me and Mar itself.

Speaker 3

Well.

Speaker 2

Me and R is an ancient country in some ways, during some of its colonial time, was also known as Burma. In of course, right now it is known as Me or Mar, and it has struggled politically, It has struggled economically, and it is as far as the people itselves are concerned, it is struggling to support the needs that they want. Simply put, they want the same thing as all the rest of us want freedom, the right to think what you want to think, and the right to choose what

we want to choose. There are some interesting caveats to that, but we won't get into that right this very second. We do want to talk about Me or Mart itself. In the past few years that have led to what we see today with the political unrest and unbalanced that we actually see there today, that is leading the United Nations Human Rights Council to actually be taking a strong look at it and to actually have a special repertoire to come and discuss what is happening in me or

Mar today. So let's go back to February one of twenty twenty one, the day of parliament was set to convene Mira. March's military detained Zoe Kil and other members of the ruling party and they handed power to the chief Meinhunyi Yi and declared the state of emergency for one year and began closing the borders, restricting travel and

electronic communications nationwide. The military announced it would replace the existing election commission with a new one, and the military media outlet indicated new elections would be held in about

one year. Through the avoiding making any official commitment to that, the military expelled the n LD party members of the parliament from the capital, and by the fifteenth of March twenty twenty one, the military leadership continued to extend the martial law into more parts of hegan while security forces killed thirty eight people in a single day of violence. By the second day, thousands of protesters were marching in the streets and the protests erupted nationwide, largely hailing commerce

and transportation. Despite the military taries, arrests, killings of protesters, the first few weeks of the coup found a growing public participation in including of the civil civil servants, teachers, students, workers, monks, and religious leaders, even normally disinfect affected ethnic minorities. The

coup immediately was condemned by the United Nations. The US threatened sanctions and military military and its leaders, including a freeze of one billion dollars in assets from the US, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Russia, Vietnam, Thailand, the Philippines, China. UH retained criticizing the military c coup. And let's put this way, basically, the whole world was

against this military cou coup that actually happened. The outsiders looking in international development partners and non UH government and government hinted the suspension of partnerships with mir Mar. Banks were closed on social media UH communication platforms including Facebook, Twitter,

UH blah blah blah. The protesters appeared UH in miror Mar embassies in UH foreign countries, A National Unity government then declared the formation of a armed Wing UH by UH the fifth of May one, a date often cited to starting the full scale civil war, and ever since then Meanmoir has been in some state of violence or

civil war. So now we need to know what is happening with human rights and what and what other countries are actually doing to help the people themselves get back to normality, get back to what is it that they would preferred doing rather than protesting and having military violence

running up and down their streets. And this is this is where we are today and why we're We have a special repertoire from the United Nations speaking about what is happening in me, Mr okay, so along with we're going to flip this over to to Canada now, and we have Mark Karney, Prime Minister of Canada as he is speaking with Anita and non In in the background about what's happening with NATO. And of course by twenty thirty five, Canada is now promising to reach the five

percent threshold of GDP spending on national defense. Part of this is of this push to increase the NATO country stockpile is according to the ongoing threat from the Russian Federation and of course trying to protect all of the Arctic countries that would be a threat if the Russian Federation were to attempt something. We already know that they moved south and they went after, of course Ukraine, and they're saying that that they're trying to free the Dundas

region and they're trying to free Crimea. But is that really all that they're trying to do, especially with leadership under Vladimir Putin, who, for lack of words, is just trying to boluster what it is he thinks Russia should be allowed to have. Sanctions, of course, have been placed against them where there's limited sale of of resources from

Russia and back into Europe. The European Union is on board with that and working with with NATO of course to limit some of those sales in order to starve Russia of money so that they have a harder time producing weapons and supplying their army. But still conflict continues. Let's look at it at something else here just for a couple of seconds, and then we're gonna we're we're going to push forward to hear what Mark Karni had to say at NATO, and then we'll hear from the

United Nations Human Rights Council. We have two different different sides here at this point. We have one where we're trying to stop war by supplying humanitarian efforts and in order to quell the people so that they stop fighting with each other in the end the civil war. We're trying to do this through diplomacy and peaceful means. The other end of it is we're going to build a stronger military to end a war or to prevent a war from happening. Would it not be easier or would

it not be a better path? And maybe not an easier path. Maybe the easier path is actually stockpile of the military is like I'm stronger than you are, so you better not attack me kind of mentality. But a better path might be to offer understanding and to unite all of the countries around the world and some sort of a peaceful resolute that would lower the borders so that people could pick and choose where they wanted to live,

regardless of passports or anything like that. Just saying that there's got to be a better way of getting along in our world without having to flex muscle to do it in a way that shows that hey, we're open to selling our differences without throwing punches.

Speaker 4

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They differ both in their form and severity, and at the same time, Canada's own relationship with NATO is appropriately evolving. Put it in a bit of context. For over a century, For over a century, Canada has been a net exporter of security to Europe, and now with those evolving threats worldwide, the threats to our own sovereignty are becoming more acute. With increasingly open Arctic waters and rapid advancers in cyber and AI and quantum, with advanced missile capacities, we can

no longer rely on our geography to protect us. As the global landscape shifts, the collective security created by the Alliance remains the strongest and the most effective way of protecting Canadian sovereignty and protecting the security of Canadians. So, together with our allies, we must ensure that NATO remains strong, unified, and ready to confront the threats not just of today but of tomorrow. And so in this pursuit, Canada is helping to ensure that the Alliance and the peace that

it can help protect prevail. In order to do so, we must invest in our strength, because Canada's leadership must be defined not just by the strength of our values, but by the value of our strength. That's why earlier this month, Minister of Minister of Defense, the Chief of the Defense Staff, and I unveiled Canada's plan to rebuild, rearm and reinvest in the Canadian armed forces to protect first and foremost Canadians, to protect our interests, and also

to help protect our allies. In doing so, we are reaching NATO's two percent target this year. We've arrived at this summit looking forward with the plan to help lead with new investments to build our strength. This morning, Canada, or just now, I guess it went into the afternoon, Canada and our allies agreed to a new defense industrial There's a new Defense Investment Pledge which secures Canada's strategic

and security goals. As part of that, Canada has already beginning working towards a target of three and a half percent of GDP by twenty thirty five by expanding our plan to invest in the Canadian Armed Forces, to modernize our military equipment and technology, to help build up our own defense and security industries, as well as to diversify our defense partnerships.

Speaker 3

We're also working to ensure.

Speaker 4

That we are spending one and a half percent of our GDP in defense and security related infrastructure, so that means airports, infrastructure, to support the development and exportation of critical minerals, telecommunications and emergency preparedness systems. These investments serve our defense as well as protecting the readiness and resilience

to protect Canadians. At the core of our defense investment, of course, are the men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces, and as I speak to you today, Canadian troops are participating in NATO deterrence and defense missions across Central and Eastern Europe, as well as building capacity in the Middle East as part of Operation Reassurance Canada's leading a fourteen nation strong multi national brigade with over two

thousand Canadian armed forces in Latvia. We're working with our allies and partners across Europe to train Ukrainian soldiers who are defending their homeland from Russia's illegal and barbaric invasion. These are the women and men we are investing in the forces we will expand with new incentives and new

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our allies seek to increase their military readiness. They will buy more equipment and technology made in Canada by Canadian workers in shipyards, in labs and shop floors. Right across our country will make the drones, the icebreakers, the aerospace technology is and much more that's needed to build a more secure world.

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driving factors for those targets. Importantly, the trajectory and the balance of the new NATO Defense Pledge will be reviewed in twenty twenty nine. To ensure that the commitments align with the global security landscape. Throughout Canada's history, there have been turning points when the world's fortunes have been in the balance, and each time Canada has chosen to step up to lead on the path of democracy and freedom.

Speaker 3

We're once again at one of those moments.

Speaker 4

If we want the world of tomorrow to be shaped by our values, Canada must be ready. If we want a more secure world, we need a stronger Canada that works with our allies, and today is a very important step to build both.

Speaker 3

Hutch and I look forward to your questions. Thank you, Prime Minister.

Speaker 4

We're not going to begin the question period.

Speaker 1

We'll begin with Steve Chase.

Speaker 3

First question period. Hi, Steve Chase for the Global Mail.

Speaker 5

I want to ask you to what extent you have social license, to what extent you think you have public support for what defense experts are saying would be the largest increase in defense spending since.

Speaker 3

The Second World War.

Speaker 5

We're talking seven percent increases a year to reach that fifty billion number, it's going to crowd out other investments. It's got to crowd out requests for healthcare transfer increases.

Speaker 3

So to what extent do you think you have public support for this.

Speaker 4

Well, thanks for the question, Steve. Let me answer this in two ways. So the first is to provide some context to the overall five percent. Number one and a half percent of that five percent is what's called a defense Industrial pledge, And as I describe very briefly in my remarks, it's much more detail in the public documents, and we can go into more detail back the Minister of National Defense can go into an exhaustive detail here, but that the industrial element of that much of this

we are already doing. This is about building the resilience. What do we do to build the resilience of the country. How much are we spending on our ports, on our transportation infrastructure, How much are we spending in order to develop our critical minerals. What do we do to make sure we have a resilient telecommunications system. These are things that actually we as government, both federal and provincial governments. These are responsibilities we have today to Canadians, and responsibilities

that by and large we are fulfilling. Now we're going to do a more proper accounting of that, a more strategic set of investments in that. So, yes, we'll find gaps we'll be transparent about that and we'll make up those gaps. So the overall context of the net increase in defense spending is much less than the headline from two to five. First point, very important point, but we have to show that and we have to be delivered

and strategic about it, and we will. The second thing is what happens in terms of the I'll call it the two to the three and a half that number. We absolutely need to establish the political and social to use, the social license, the public support for that. It needs to be as I indicated my remarks, including my remarks in that room. First and foremost, we are protecting Canadians. We are protecting Canadians against new threats. I wish we didn't have to, but that is but we do have

to and it is our core responsibility as government. And those threats we see them the evolving threat environment, most clearly in the Arctic, but it's also through the Arctic into Canada, and so we're taking our greater responsibilities around that. We have to be clear about what we're doing in order to achieve it. Last point, we're focused on the outcome,

the result protecting Canadians. We're driven by that not by with all due respects, sitting in the NATO building, by NATO accountants, and that's part of what's relevant for this twenty twenty nine review.

Speaker 3

We're going to focus on those new threats.

Speaker 4

We're going to take more of it directly in our responsibility because they are a responsibility of threats on our soil in our marine areas, and we're possible. We're going to work with our partners, but we're also going to assess how well we've done, first and foremost to Canadians whom we serve, but also to our partners. There'll be a review and they'll be an adjustment.

Speaker 3

At that point.

Speaker 6

And thank you for joining us today at this press conference. Our speaker today is mister Tom Andrews, the Special Reporter on the human rights situation in Yenmar. He will be brief you today on his latest report to the Human Rights Council. We will begin with opening remarks from the Special Reporter, followed by before moving too questions, mister Andrews, you have the floor.

Speaker 7

Thank you, tony okay? Is that good? Yeah?

Speaker 8

Turning it on makes a lot of difference. Well, thank you very much everyone for your interest in your attendance. I am very pleased to return to Geneva, where I will have the honor of engaging with the Human Rights Council, along with the High Commissioner and representatives of Me and Mar civil society organizations in an enhanced interactive dialogue on.

Speaker 7

The crisis in Me and Mar later this week.

Speaker 8

Today, I'd like to talk about some of the distressing facts that are emerging out of Me and More, and I'd also like to address what is even more distressing, the trajectory of these facts and what lies beneath them. And I'd like to circle that trajectory back to the United Nations and its member states, the Human Rights Council, and really to all of us. The facts in Me

and Mar are dismal. More than sixty eight hundred people have been killed since the coup, more than twenty two thousand political prisoners behind bars, most of whom are guilty of only exercising their fundamental rights, including speaking out and participating in demonstrations opposing a brutal military juntu. Before the coup, there were three hundred thousand people internally displaced in Me

and More. Now there are more than three zero point five million, nearly one point five million refugees from Me and Mar are currently living in other countries. Nearly a third of the population of Me and Mar are facing acute food insecurity. Twenty one point nine million people are in need of humanitarian aid. As if this misery were not enough, a seven point seven magnitude earthquake struck Me and Mar on the twenty eighth of March. I was on the Thai Me and Maar border at the time

when it struck. We know that at least thirty eight hundred people were killed and more than five thousand were injured, but the true numbers are likely much much higher. More than two hundred thousand were displaced by the earthquake three months after it struck. There are many who can continue to sleep on the streets. Hunger or lack of access to water and sanitation facilities haunt many communities. They are

forced to grapple with extreme heat, drenching rains, and infectious diseases. Meanwhile, the Hunter has taken the same approach with earthquake relief that it takes to all humanitarian aid, generally block the delivery of aid to opposition controlled areas, an attempt to force all donors and agencies to deliver aid only into

its own hands. I have spoken with humanitarian workers that have been physically blocked at checkpoints and prevented from delivering aid to earthquake impacted communities, and experienced their frustration and their anger. The Hunter has reportedly evicted earthquake survivors from their shelters, leaving those whose homes were destroyed with nowhere to go. The Hunter proceeded to break a so called humanitarian ceasefire almost immediately after declaring one, and repeated the

same cynical ploy again. Meanwhile, they've been attempting to exact as much legitimacy as possible from engaging with foreign donors, covering the pages of state media with pictures of foreign aid workers posing with Hunter officials. Let me note, as I have in the past, that the Hunter needs three

things to sustain itself, money, weapons, and legitimacy. We need to do more to support the people of me and mar by denying the Hunter all three, and there will be opportunities and an obligation to do so this year. By denying any recognition of the Hunter's so called election, and I'll put that in quotes, that it is planning for later this year. UN member states should call this exercise for what it is, a charade and a fraud.

Now it is making the deepening crisis in me and Mar worse for those inside of Me and Mar and those who have fled Me and Mare.

Speaker 7

Is the dismal, deadly.

Speaker 8

Trajectory of the global retreat of international support. The Rainga in IDP camps in central Rakine face severe food ration cuts. Severe food ration cuts that hit them in April.

Speaker 3

Now.

Speaker 8

The World Food Program was able to partially restore these cuts in June, but they're facing the fact that existing resources will not be adequate to meeting a desperate need. With out renewed funding, most of the more than one hundred thousand refugees in Thailand will not receive any aid starting in August, just a few weeks from now. Food distribution for more than one million refugees in Bangladesh will

stop in October without additional funding. Health clinics in refugee camps have shut down, leaving patients scrambling to find care or face the consequences of going without treatment. I met many refugees when I was on the border following the earthquake, including persons with disabilities needing medical treatment. I met a five year old boy who needed life saving heart surgery

and his mom. They were among the very lucky ones who were able to get access to life saving health care services, services that may very soon no longer be available. The fact is halfway through twenty twenty five, the ME and MAR Humanitarian Needs and Response Plan is only twelve percent funded. The RAINGO Humanitarian Crisis Joint and Response Plan is only twenty two percent funded.

Speaker 3

Now.

Speaker 8

Leading the way of this dismal trajectory downward has been the United States, and to be fair, the devastating impact of US cuts reflects in part the leadership rule that the United States has historically played in making sure that these vitally important services were adequately funded, at least in the past, and Americans can be proud of that. But the US contribution to the ME and MAR Humanitarian Needs

and Response Plan was thirty percent last year. So far it is five percent this year, thirty percent to five percent. The US contribution to the Ringa Humanitarian Crisis Joint Response Plan was fifty two percent in twenty twenty four. In twenty twenty five it is six percent. US foreign assistance commitments to ME and MAR was two hundred and thirty seven million dollars in twenty twenty four, two hundred and thirty four million in twenty two hundred and thirty seven million.

Speaker 7

In twenty twenty four.

Speaker 8

It is eight point five million in twenty twenty five, two hundred and thirty seven million to eight point five million. Now it is fair to ask why other governments had not done more in the past. It's a fair question, and whether they should step up and take a larger

share of the burden today. I believe a reasonable answer to the second question is yes, as communities or businesses who are dependent on a large source of revenue, no, it is great as long as these large sources keep up, but devastating when they cut back or worse.

Speaker 7

Cut out.

Speaker 8

A diversified source of revenue generates stability and security. In the case of those impacted by the crisis in ME and MAR, it can indeed be the key to survival. Unfortunately, not only have many governments failed to step up to fill the gaps left by US cuts, many have announced their own reductions in aid. We are going, ladies and gentlemen, in the wrong direction. Of course, the UN Human Rights Council is also being impacted by a retreat in support

by a UN member states. There has been considerable discussion here in Geneva about what is been described as a liquidity crisis of the Human Rights Council. The fact is, the Human Rights council liquidity crisis is really a political crisis. It is a leadership crisis. It is a communication crisis. It is a moral crisis. The Human Rights Council shines a spotlight on human rights and assaults on those rights. Its members express sentiments and past resolutions addressing a wide

range of human rights issues. But action as well as words are necessary. Making investments to defend human rights and fund critical aid. Establishing funding adequate funding for these critical budgets is critically important.

Speaker 7

Action matters. It is critical that governments walk the wall at issue here.

Speaker 8

Do human rights matter? And if human rights do matter, if human decency matters, If saving the lives of children in Me and mar who are in desperate need of help matter, then those who believe it matters should be willing to invest a modest amount of resources to save lives, stop the immense and growing level of suffering, create stability and enhance security for all. It is a very, very

wise investment. Now, the fact is there are political forces that are pushing relentlessly to reject the very idea of human rights. We see this all over the globe, and they're pushing to ignore or vilify those who are victimized by brutality, to deny or dismiss the factors that drive desperation, forcing victims out of their homes, out of their villages, or out of their countries. That reject the basic idea that nations can and should work together across national borders

to save those whose lives would otherwise be lost. This is who we are at our best, and it is also in our own interest to stand up to forces that drive instability, cruelty, and violence. This is a very dangerous trajectory that we are now on. The fear card, the grievance card, the vilification card are potential political tools and weapons, and they're being used in many areas of the world. But we have seen these cards played before

and we know where their trajectory leads. The United Nations itself was created on the ashes of the devastation that these types of cards generated nearly a century ago. The downward trajectory that we are currently on will continue until leaders are willing to stand up for human rights and set priorities and budgets that reflect the best and not the worst of us. When we do what is necessary to communicate to citizens of all walks of life.

Speaker 7

Why this matters.

Speaker 8

When people of conscience stand up and say enough is enough. Communication is where you members of the media can play a decisive role. The Human Rights Council has been called the conscience of the United Nations. Now more than ever, the United Nations and world leaders to need to hear and heed the voices of conscience because the stakes could not be higher. I just want to say that there is good news in the fact that we know what happens when action is taken. We can see the results.

There's been a one third reduction in the flow of weapons flowing into the hands of the military hunter using the international financial system because of actions that have been taken by member states. We know how vital civil society is in me and more and will be some of those representatives of civil society will be addressing the Council

on Friday. And we know that the private sector has been stepping up as well to take action when we release the report, a report on why and how the private sector and the public sector have been providing the means by which the Hunter has been arming itself through the international financial system. Singapore took action that reduced ninety percent of the weapons flowing from Singapore into ME and more.

And in Thailand, Bankhawk Bank cut off its relationship with the Hunter controlled me and mar Economic bank that facilitates the flow of this financing and translates it into the weapons that are being used to commit gross human rights violations. These are specific actions that are extremely positive and very fruitful. And by the way, these actions don't cost money. They simply require political will. But it is a political will

that we need to generate all around the world. The stakes could not be higher.

Speaker 1

Thank you, Thank you, mister Andrews.

Speaker 6

The Special Rubert will now take questions. Please state your name and organization before asking a question. We'll start with journal us in the room.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 9

Nina Larson with AFP, Thanks for this interesting briefing. I was hoping you could say, provide a few more details about about the specific impact on the ground that you're you're seeing from from the cuts to aid and also you mentioned the the earthquake response. I know that the

junta has extended the ceasefire. How I mean, is there is there any sign that that things have improved on the ground in terms of of the violence or do you see them continuing air strikes if you could just talk a little bit more about that.

Speaker 7

Thank you, Okay, thank you, very good question.

Speaker 8

You know, we saw just an acceleration of air strikes in April, following the earthquake and following their declaration of.

Speaker 7

A so called seasfire. And by the way, that ceasefire that they declared followed the seaspire that was.

Speaker 8

Announced the unilateral ceasefire announced by resistance forces, So they were kind of shamed into doing something and announcing this ceasefire, but it was a cynical ploy. It meant nothing because in fact, the actions were extremely devastating, and I talked to two doctors, I talked to those who were eyewitnesses of devastated villages that had been hit by these air strikes.

Speaker 7

You know, there was someone was telling me that young people were.

Speaker 8

Running as they should, out of their homes and going out into fields to protect themselves from the earthquake, only to see and hear aircraft above, so they had to turn around, uh and and go inside.

Speaker 7

Because of the of that of that threat.

Speaker 8

So, I mean, it was just an extraordinary experience for these in this case, these young people, people all over the all over the country. You know, we we know, and we've we've documented and and my reports will continue to document as I've outlined the extent to which this devastation continues. But what is important to note is the trend lines as I've been as I mentioned, are going absolutely in the opposite direction. The Hunter's attacks on villages

have been actually increasing. Air assaults have been increasing, and what we found is that as it's more and more dangerous for ground troops to be moving because of the presence of resistance forces and tactics that have been used to intercept those those those ground forces or intercept supply lines, the use of aircraft has been increasing and the use of bombing have been increasing and and and the reason that that is so devastating is not just the volume

the increase that we've been documenting, but also because of the indiscriminate nature of these of these aerial attacks and how they have been hitting schools, monasteries. We've documented that they have hit centers for internally displaced persons. I met a dad who lost his two only two children, two daughters, after he brought them to an IDP center for safety because the IDP center was was was hit. I've talked to parents whose children were injured in attacks at a school.

So this is devastating and it's increasing. The numbers are the numbers are bad, but the reality on the ground this experiences is devastating. And I also just want to put also in kind of brackets. There's a lot we don't know. It's very difficult, as I'm sure you know,

of getting information quickly and accurately. Now, we have people around the country that have been very courageous in providing us with information and testimony, but they take great risk in order to do that, and we know that the numbers that we're seeing are less than what is actually happening because of that fact.

Speaker 9

Sorry, just on the people you mentioned now who are taking great risks to get you information, how are you I mean, the impact that you were talking about this liquidity crisis at the Human Rights Council and the fact that things seem to be I assume that you know money is in short supply when it comes to these investigations now, and I guess there's a bit of uncertainty about how much how much you can continue the work and how much effect it might have with everything with

the liquidity crisis. How do you talk to the people on the ground who are providing you with this information at great risk of themselves in light of you know, the developments that you're seeing.

Speaker 8

No, it's really hard, it's really hard. I mean, they're risking everything and and they've lost so much. And the fact is is that the look, you know, we we manifest values in action, including budgets. How much money we put up to do things reflects our values. And the message that we're sending in terms of those values is

not a good one. That we're not valuing these human lives, these people who are who who's taking such such risk to save their country, where we're sending them absolutely the wrong message.

Speaker 7

And the and the.

Speaker 8

Insane thing is is that it doesn't take a lot of money, you know, and when you compare the cost of the devastation that is that that that that's out there, and the great risk of the instability and insecurity that can follow. I mean it's not an I think an accident that as these commitments of recent sources for things like human rights and humanitarian aid have been decreasing, defense budgets have been increasing. So you're you're creating a world

that is much less secure and much less stable. You're fueling it by not making your commitments to things that can actually reduce that instability, and then you're forced to spend even more money on weapons of war to confront this insecurity and instability.

Speaker 7

And we've seen this movie before. I mean, this very institution was created.

Speaker 8

On the ashes of the devastation of what can happen when these forces are allowed to take off.

Speaker 7

And they're taking off right now. We can see it happening right now. And you know, I get it.

Speaker 8

I was in politics for a dozen years in the US, and you know, when you when you're when you're traveling and you're talking to citizens, you know it's it's not the easiest case in the world to make to send we need to send and invest money overseas, but we have to make that case, and we have to you know, and really, if if the people of my former congressional district met the little boy who's whose heart condition. Uh

as surgery was going to determine life or death. They want that that that boy to have that surgery, you know, they they want these families to be able to to survive. They'd understand completely what happens when you've lost everything and the only hope is to gather your family together and move to safety. They'd understand this. But we need to

communicate that to people. And we need to counter this political movement, this, this vilification, this fear card, this these these forces of darkness that are descending in areas around the world.

Speaker 7

We need to fight that.

Speaker 8

We need to stand up for these principles and values. The member states of the United Nations and the Human Rights Council can only do as much as the political climate in their countries are going to allow, and so leaders have to step up to influence that climate. Civil society has to step up, Faith based organizations have to step up. We all have to step up to address that climate. And we're not doing it. We're not doing it.

Speaker 3

So I have the.

Speaker 8

Honor of being on the front lines of what's happening, what the consequences of this is, and I'm doing my best to convey that to people. But we all have to take the action necessary to mitigate that immense suffering that I'm witnessing.

Speaker 9

Yeah, I follow up, there might be other people. I just to follow up on what you were just saying. Right today, there's a big NATO meeting where countries are getting together to discuss, as you're mentioning, defense budgets, and these are some of the same countries that have slashed their funding for humanitarian need and foreign need. If you could just say something about about this push to increase defense budgets to five percent that they're discussing today.

Speaker 7

We need to be addressing the causes.

Speaker 8

Of instability and insecurity, and we're failing to do that, and so it is a much wiser investment in it. It is a much more reasonable investment to mitigate the causes of instability and security rather than be putting more and more money into dealing with the consequences of that insecurity and instability. It's an imbalance here that's going on. It's these trajectories of defense spending going this way and human rights and humanitarian spending going in absolutely the opposite direction.

This leads to disaster, and that's the trajectory that we are on that is why this is so dangerous. The conversations in NATO, I know are going to be are not going to include what I'm talking about, but they should, they really really should.

Speaker 6

Thank you. I will take the questions from those online.

Speaker 10

Thank you very much.

Speaker 7

Okay, So.

Speaker 10

The reduction of USA that you have mentioned is very dramatic. Would you dare to say that the US has abandoned the Rhindia people and also the other opposition in Me and Mar also by banning the entry of Me and Mar citizens to the USA, and also, if I may, I think you mentioned in in other reports or other interventions that Me and Mar junta was losing ground. I

don't think you haven't mentioned. Now does it mean that it's regaining control and what this would mean for the future of Me and Mar and the possibility of the democracy coming back to the country.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 7

Well.

Speaker 8

I can tell you that the United States is not alone in moving in the wrong direction when it comes to humanitarian aid and supporting democracy and human rights in Me and more other countries are following following suit. But my point was that the United States, having been such a leader in investments in humanitarian aid and human rights, the traumatic cuts that have been made by the United

States is that much more devastating. So the impact is that much more devastating because of the volume that we started out with with US funding. So you need to put that in context. And I think it's fair for the United States to say, well, look we've been we've been providing the world with a greater share than what we should be. There should be more balanced. Other countries should be stepping up. It's a fair argument, and we can.

Speaker 7

Have that discussion.

Speaker 8

But the fact is is that we're all going in the wrong direction and instead of stepping up, countries are stepping stepping back. And of course the United States we just talked about NATO has been pressuring NATO countries to step up when.

Speaker 7

It comes to defense spending.

Speaker 8

Well, I think it's really important that NATO countries in all countries step up when it comes to humanitarian aid and investments in human rights. And what made it all the worse is not just the volume of you know, you go from the very very significant of the two hundred and thirty seven million dollars from the United States and two in twenty twenty four down to eight point

five million. That is devastating, but What is made that worse is because it happened so abruptly and so chaotically, and people couldn't prepare, they couldn't make adjustments, they couldn't look to see where other resources might come from. So it was the it was the cuts and the chaos around those cuts that made things so devastating. I mean, I was there when that earthquake happened, and I was there as as the mobilization of support and aid to

desperate people was was underway. Uh, and the United States was miss missing in action when in the past it would be taking a lead in not only providing resources, but but coordinating the provision of resources.

Speaker 7

And and it broke my heart to see that expertise on the ground. They're ready to go and not being used.

Speaker 8

Because of the chaos that followed those of those devastating cuts. So it was the amount, and it was the chaos and and and and and the stakes of that were quite were quite devastating. Oh and let me the second part of the question was, UH, with respect to the resistance and and the progress that has been made on the ground.

Speaker 7

You know, I don't want to I want to be really clear here. There there is.

Speaker 8

I think, well, we're it's very difficult to protect anything. Of course, the case in Syria is a good example. Who would have thought that that change happened as as dramatically as it did. But the fact is is that the the military hunter, while it is loathed by the people of me and more believe me, and while it has lost considerable it's lost territory, and it's lost soldiers and military facilities and and so forth, there's no no question at all. It's the reason why they have this

forced military conscription program. They're they're losing, they're losing ground literally and figuratively, but they have significant resources available to them, financial resources and weapons that are being provided to them from abroad. And as long as those resources continue to flow, they're going to continue to reak significant havoc.

Speaker 7

And they're not and they're not hesitant to do so.

Speaker 3

Thank you.

Speaker 6

We have a follow up question online.

Speaker 10

Thank you for your answers. Just another short question. In the beginning, you mentioned a very interesting numbers, including the number of dead in the conflict, which sometimes is difficult to get these numbers. Do they come from your own investigation or you have official sources? For example, these sixty three thousand people that you mentioned that have died in since the coup.

Speaker 8

Thinking, yeah, no, these these come from a variety of sources, but they're vetted sources.

Speaker 7

They're they're very reliable and and and they're understated of any of anything.

Speaker 8

I mean, this is when I when I mentioned these numbers, there are at least uh these numbers of people, and you get arranged. I mean, some some come out with with with higher numbers than than these, but but these are these are vetted numbers.

Speaker 3

But but.

Speaker 8

You know, sixty eight hundred people killed, twenty two thousand political prisoners behind bars, and just think about that and the fact that they're declaring there's going to be an election uh in in in the end of the year, and they're looking for a basically, they want to find an exit ramp to the international pressure. They're trying to create this mirage of an election exercise that will create

a legitimate civilian government. But you know, you cannot have an election when you imprison and torture and execute your opponents, when it is illegal to report the truth as a journalist, when it's illegal to speak out and criticize the hunter. And it's really important that countries reject this idea of an election and and and not allow the military hunted to to attempt to get away with this this fraud.

I mean that doesn't cost any money to do so, but it's a It would be extremely helpful if the the UN member states were to make it very clear that that this is going to be recognized not as an election but as a fraud.

Speaker 7

That would go a long way.

Speaker 1

Thank you.

Speaker 6

Are there any other questions in the room or online? I here hand up online? Is it an old hand or is there a question?

Speaker 10

No, I have a question if nobody else wants to to to ask. It's about the weapons. You mentioned that countries like Thailand and Singapore have been able to reduce. It looks like these countries are more channels, you know that rather than providers of weapons. Do you know or can you mention which which countries which governments could be selling the weapons to to the junta.

Speaker 7

Thank you?

Speaker 8

Well, yes, I and i've i've I've documented this and we continue to to monitor the traffic. The traffic flow and some of those numbers you know have changed and modified over the the past few years. But what has been remaining pretty consistent is that Russia is the single largest source of weapons for the Military Hunter, and China is the second largest source of weapons for the Military Hunter.

Speaker 2

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