Thank you for listening to Pictures. Media Radio. Welcome to Policy and Rights, the show about the government, Policy and human rights. Welcome back to Policy and Writes your depictions Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. We have a recording from a festival where we had the opportunity to actually play our documentary Hate Can Kill. It is actually a rework of old footage and new footage about a hate crime that happened in nineteen ninety eight where a caretaker,
normal sing Gill was killed by five Ways and premises. And the discussion that we're having is how do we actually make it so that we don't have to keep pushing back against hatred those groups that want to think that they are the are supreme end that have the right to just run amok over the rest of us. How do we fix things so that we all are seen as human Because we have policies that discuss human rights, we have policies to discuss
how all humans are created equal. But the problem is not so much what the policies are saying. If the policies are accurate and good, it is how people decide to internalize them. One of the problems with hatred is that you can use hatred to dehumanize another group, in which case you're able to attack nime and ultimately kill people that you see that aren't the same as you
are. One of the really cool parts about the human race is our diversity, leading from fashion, neurodiversities, how we think to things that we believe, that different beliefs of how a higher being if there is one, if there isn't one. There's so much diversity within our species in it should be celebrated. And there are still those out there that want to destroy those who
are different from others. So why don't we listen to the talk back after the film was played in here opinions and questions that were asked on the theater floor alizing events to keep them say that an see alive by organizing the underdaated, which give you the opportunity to remake this film and finish this film to
keep us alive. And then says three so important. And at the unbating ceremony we saw Shane her you say, who was recently killed in the same or the other same marking lot, so with you know, healed by being my different actors. So I think it's important acknowledge that in this book is singing instead in the film that you shouldn't remember, you know, martyrs,
Like maybe I was saying the interval singeruse you sing. So if you take a a moment of s and it's considering I'm wearing the cafe, I hear what's happening in the Middle East and elsewhere, for people in Israel and in Palestine are dying, So we take a moment of silence for the piece. And also I think the festival for organizing the screening is also acknowledged that the originally of the Indian community lived here in his hood in the streets. This
used to be the city hall. The first Never Get Them the uh By second Festival parade was held here on on ninh Street. This is where the Indian community, Chinese community, Japanese, gonna be Black community, it's gonna be all lived in this ghetto because they didn't want this thatswhere so it's appropriate that we're talking about white's supremacy in this neighborhood where the the anti Asian riots
took place. So I'm gonna pass the mike along if you wanna have your posin and have a discussion after you know, I had to say this with the hatred become I've been putting back against this since i've been was able to hold my mother's hand and walk down the street that she got me startled on this path of fighting for human rights and s Sometimes it it comes out of the question of not so much that we have a lot of human rights policy
in breaking it's a matter of how different groups see who is human, because they're more than willing to as was said in the film, that they're more than willing to dehumanize those who they don't believe aren't human. And that's part of the The thing is we have to keep speaking out that we're all human, no matter beliefs, sexuality or uh or column. We're all human and we all need to be treated as human. So butse a while I do not to others that we are all to be ansigat both citizen views and also
time to be all madus for having us here a couple of students. I'm really upset about the kidding off abusing there on the ideal to you solve him in the video. You were the one who was installing the portrayed on the blissings and have you seen a center, I think Garda. As you mentioned, we were all there. This year marks three twenty fifth anniversary of the
murder of thems in reality by the White Supranis. And this year on the fifth versary, the city of Sereb made a proclamation proclaiming and on Indien of June the same temples of current chredren being killed by arn't identified attackers. The Paris of Canada believes that this could be the handywork of the Indian intelligence.
I want to put things in perspective. We often talk about white suprama this year, and in Canada we talked about Hitler, We talk about Nazis, but we must keep in mind the people in power and Deli right now, they follow the same medeology belongs to ours as Hinduku, a group that once qualified Hindler justified Jewish for the coast. People like her. Big Strig Nature has been pointing figures that Mollie and those in power in there, that's the
reason he got killed. So when we are trying to remember able single on the tunt on his tonturment test iniversary, you must keep in mind that our thiefs in nature also got ben in the same TAPO being a president by some foreign actors at the behest of the people who follow the same geology as head. But the world remains silent. It's a shame that Canada has not been able to take a very strong position against what is being what is happening in
past nine I don't I don't. I can't stop myself from criticizing even the DC and the government. Although many of you probably know that my wife is part of the same vernon. She's the MLA in this goverment, she's the Minister of Education. This government will let us down. You see, when Russia invaded to Ukraine, they immediately banned Russian bodka and BC look the stores, but Forestina's had been asking for the ban of Israeli wine in these same
stores. And all the time people that d we used to tell them it's a matter of free choice. I want my Bugdha. I don't have a free choice. If Russia is that Ukraine, I can't have Buddha, but you can have a Raley wine. The spider fact that the Yaos hands us speared to be the most sim run So why the selectivity, Why is this double speed? So we need to call us spade a spade mode is a new Hitler, that's all. I passed the white to Aniwana when he started
the Wainan. I was in Palestine in February and reminded some civil society books in the West Bank who stole about the fact that's some of that wine that says Israel on it or whatever, but it actually is stolen grapes from Palestinian fields. So they will give you know, a moments to go pick the grapes and then you know, go back and then they'll say, well, we'll buy it from you, and you know, because of the reality of the apartheid and the system as it is, they will sell it because they
need the money. And then they will change the label and claim it. The senators will claim it as their own. So that's I have to escape back, because that's I don't want to forget that. I you know, I had Tony in my class. It was one of the first speakers I ever had in my class, gosh, like ten years ago now, and I really appreciate what he said about that that dehumanization that he was doing, but that he was dehumanized himself. Because we can talk about money and Couded
and Nathania. When you know, when list goes on and on, right commas whatever like, throw whatevery name you think is in that group, please do so. Those who killed normal, those who killed are deith. But I really not struggle. The reality is I am seeing. I am a supporting Jew. I am seeing people who are Jewish, supporting you know, colonizations, supporting hatred, supporting death. I see people other religions and whatever, right other faiths. I see violence in the anti Sogie community, where
there is so much hatred, and forget the topic of Sogie itself. I mean there is fee trith, there is violence, There is anti Semitism. It's not the phobia, all of it. And I wonder what is happening that we are so dehumanized that we do not see the other. Most of us are just trying to say, don't kill the children, right, We're just saying we need a ceasefire, let's talk the temperature, let's figure things out. There's a solution here. We don't even have to get into the
politics of it all right now, And still people come at you. There is censorship, that there's fear, a lot of people are living in fear right now that they might be attacked for wearing whatever, any job, start David whatever. So that really bothers me because I wish it was as simple as, oh, well, just both them out right, both them out fight back, right, go on the streets. You know your vote counts, and one day the leaders will be gone and everybody will rejoice. And
yet I'm perhaps a little bit cynical because I don't see enough people. There are some, but I don't see enough people doing that work right now. I don't see enough people saying enough it's humanization. We seem to get power from it, we seem to get money from it. And as an educator, high school educator, I fear that our kids are learning that message that the humanization is the only way, because you know what, in this Atlanta you can teach that all you want, but look what's happening. So you're
not having an fact they're not having in the back. So what's the point. Let me get my money, let me make mine right. I literally had a refugee student kind of say that about there was there there are people out there that are saying, oh, okay, you would change your opinion right on the influencers on social media, and he actually said I would take the money, and I had to think to myself, way and it's you've
fit through hell. You know what war is. You are a young young man and you survived so much and still your brain so that that that cycle that Tony talks about is very real. You introduced me to hard deep in a real way with the cameras two fifteen and speaking under Goodwara with Jennifer a
sheriff, an Indigenous woman, and the power that was. So we see people being killed, like innocent people, people that are doing good work, people that are using their voice and their platform, and yet they are still cut down. It needs to end. But I think that journey really does start with us. It starts with being mindful that the people that we elect, or the leaders that claim to be leaders, they're They're not the root of the problem. The root of the problem is much deeper. So this
is a top back. So I want to hear your thoughts. Uh, what do you think of the film and generally what what your thoughts are on on bigotry and white cubimacy and and other thoughts uh that uh you feel, so please uh if you wanna say some diptise come up and uh, let's hear what you ever say? Oh, be sure your day somebody some correct
place to care of. I A tell uh a sing a while. That had to do with indigenous issues in my city, which was Edmonton, and it was it was basically it was an Aero film and basically the film which
was made by Americans. It was very interesting music. Of course, like Okay, I'm from Edmonton and the football team has only recently been renamed, right, you know, And I remember even getting flat from like, you know, fellow academics and stuff like that, you know, when I sort of say, like Eskimo's going really really, we're the only team in Canada that has that kind of a name. But anyway, it eventually happened.
But the thing is that the American president was much earlier, like you know, with renaming colleges and remam and naming college sports teams, notably you know, because there were like a gazillion Redskins and Indians and everything else, and the whole Washington Redskins thing was of course a big, big, big issue,
a big point of progress. When when that eventually, you know, was taken care of but I'm wondering in terms of what I'm hearing here today, like what do people think about the American influence, the cross border influence like made me I believe in the film. Yeah, in the film one of the speakers said, like, you know this group here, they're lived with that group in Wisconsin, you know kind of thing. So I'm not trying to just be fastively anti American, but I'm just wondering about that cross
border problem. Well maybe for that, I think I think the the border is colonial, right, so it's it's it's a bigger issue. And uh as as as any uh school teacher from Suri talked about what's happening currently with the convoy twenty twenty three was co opted and soji movement right, and what happened in the US capital right bringing up that ugly whitest memousis history of North
America. So this is nothing. What happened to shade your most slim and I call it shaheen and even very deep saying is because someone who's martyreed,
we respect them, we call them shahi. So you know, this is the history of eternal other you know, colonization is a white remminenist project and that these people who are organizing, who organized you know, the capital or they convoy on Ottawa and now they're co opting the end is soji movement are part of the whole white supremacist project, right and because of this resentment towards immigrants and things like that, they're organizing and then either co opting most of
them community and thick communities, you know, uh against their uh propaganda uh about you know, uh against uh people who are clear and trans So, yeah, thank you for I thought, yeah, yeah, I I am allowed the currents to attash for And I actually I I grew up in the United States. I grew up uh in this city. That actually where did that origin? The independence was drictly where in the US Constitution was written in. One of the big problems with the United States and cabinet leading back to
that k that same humanity thing. It starts off queen the people, but it doesn't define who the people, who the people are in the document and it allows the other set of walls to just to determine what that means. And in US and Canada will hold the same thing that to be human or to be be a citizen. You have to be a white man. So if you're not a white man, you're not human, you're not a citizen, you don't count. So that's that's part of part of with with with
UH, what are you talking about now? I remember my last residence in Philadelphia. I could have been normal and guilty. I've got trying on me that day and he UH allowed me to be on one on the side that I had power over them. They were paying me a swastika on the door. And as I walked up to my home, I'm seeing thee these five people came the swastiva on my door and died jail. Because I have a very Jewish nan and my ancestry leads back to North Africa, similar to Annie's
that is Jewish. And I said, yeah, do you do you have you have this? Did this jew track? You haven't trapped? He said, oh yeah, he said inside there he s he He said, pray he's a braider. You that we got him, we live. And at that point that I just took wonder her heads and smashed him into the door and the other four ramp so I got lucky. Normal said He'll did not get that play out because five one one. I you what's his name?
Uh? The character that uh person wasn't physically like uh yeah there there those a th those sup super uh sold if they don't exist? So yeah, yeah it was. It was a movie, you think, but anyway, Yeah, I can't. I can't think he's right there right yeah? Yeah. Railbow does not a place. Yeah first blood? Yeah, play what's that? Yeah? Yeah yeah, Rainbow doesn't exist though, would there?
I don't. I don't care how powerful you think you are. If five people will come at you at the same exact time, you will fall and you will wind up as normal sing. No. He was a brave man, you know he he protected the temple than to go grow. Yeah. Yeah, but we we need to to come behind him, and we need to stand together and say we we're not gonna take the the money to change
our opinion. Then we're gonna say that colonialism is wrong and that we need to end the hatred that comes with colonialism because it's really it's written behind the laws that are attached to these documents of human rights, these with these documents that actually describe all of us as equal. These laws that are written be kind of are written for people fit, aren't are are? You are being
oppressed? So that's why. How's your point? So I went to high school in South Florida, so I have a little bit about American backgrounds too. Yeah, and I'll say this on the cross border influence, Like things weren't great twenty years ago, however, compared to now, when I hear from friends and still lived there, from family, from teachers that are quitting their job, queer teachers. I cannot teach people like myself like being jailed.
I'm sorry they just comes to my classroom. I wouldn't I wouldn't be allowed. So I've been asked in the last little bit like well, this won't happen in Canada. I go, it's happening in my lifetime, you know, like I never thought i'd be the person to go, well, you know when I was in high school, right, like it's it's sad, I shouldn't be laughing, but it's we can regress. And I don't want to say we are regressing, but but in some areas we are.
And when you see the I'm sorry, the rats, I how quick it's happening in America. Not that America was ever race, but nonetheless, right, like or I can tell you there is absolutely I was learning how it's it in high school. I mean, yes, it was a special teacher. But I see who still allows to just that book today? That woman's fools evening, dam I haven't ed it up. I think it is right or whatever. Any other book that would have had a different opinion is banned.
Indigenous Black Jewish women studies like it's not just about trans and fearful. This goes against everybody and Muslim folks, and so to see that regression is very scary. And then literally in the last couple of months, to feel the heat, to see the pressure, to see the ti taks that I face, other teachers are facing, and other professions too. I don't think many of us thought we come to us, it's been around, but we didn't think that the temperature would be so far up that we fear that.
I know the idea, he's in power, But are they really gonna stand up right or any other party for that's sake, right? Are we really gonna be able to keep back the forces? I think we are. It's all about us. But at the same time, that regression is real and absolutely America has an impact on that any hard lots he's come up. Okay, hello, my name shudn't be Thank you so much for the quancimentation.
I think it feels weird we get many to be as years old and like, but it feels like it's still something that is going on today and how's elegant. I think it was particularly also from the side of the solidarity it it was really like great for me to see even like the building the new Alliance be there, like to be around, and like, I think it's
very encouraging. With that said, like so it's I just wanna I guess I acknowledge that part of it. I also just wanted to know from a more expands so far and also just as someone who's warning more about transformative justice, I understand that Tony change over time and there was as you know, like I was also conto condition into our supremacy and a true point I had to change. But from your experience, what do you think has kind of
licked the switch? And like what else should we do to kind of encourage more people to transform into anti racist and anti zionism and all that, cause we're truly in the you know, his historical old right now, Like there's twenty twenty so far has been really like, you know, we thought a few few more years in this decade, like I wanna gook ahead and I wanna see more of us pushed together to finally like say the words, name the names and actually change it. So what do you think has changed that?
Thank you, but thank you for that. Everything is important that what happened, the reaction. Five thousand people came together in that part for being part and there was all kinds of groups. You saw the banners, and I wanted to start with that, showing that solidarity of so many different groups coming together and in the background the drumming to the big of the drumming right opening the film with the drumming, I think it was really really important that
people did. And you know, people won't show up, but this could happen. They're not back there in Siri. And then you know again when we get the un razing, all the thing that you know, since then, the Gubet loss has happened, and there's family in London, Ontario and Wisconsin and things like that, so there's an opportunity to bring all that that. But what has really changed in the last three five years, right, that is still happening, that people are still being murdered in the mosques and
God Ouralis and so on. Incidentally, the thes this mask has sense right now in Surrey is there because the old mask was torched arson right, So there's a many things. Again, anybody else can respond to what as she's saying. I believe that Rayslim continues to exist and which has rather grown because of the grown or tried movement, and that movement somehow filmed up during COVID night, we see that getting org nives will be fom operative. Boy,
so we need to be vigilant. Yeah, and Kenadians have a habit to love themselves too much. We need to live in a reception. We believe that Raslim, but this is only a class. The bottom U there, So we need to shatter that command of ourselves. We need to examine ourselves every day. That what I was doing on it's very important. The self chat is very important. But can it is have a new pull another that's apone so true. So I'm gonna use a buzzword, but I really do
believe in this buzzword. Intersectionality I think is how we continue transforming because I believe there's no justice right without that piece. So let let's talk a little bit about so everybody learns about the Holocaust, right, and genocide and the idea of that how that work came about, which is great, but look how many genocides have occurred since then, or the fact that now we see
black enslavement as a genocide as well. Right, We've only come to that understanding because of these other stories, because of these other experiences, because of these other realities like oh wait a minute, it looks a little bit different here, but the pogroms of the Fernegia but whatever, right along Dame List goes on and on. It's sad to say that. So I don't think we're gonna go anywhere without that intersectional piece, because what happens is we tend
to essentialize a story. We tend to focus on one group only, right, whoever is deemed approprious. Right, Certainly, I don't white, not same North African descended person. I get more privileged than my round family, right or folks that you know liberal transfer my family in Morocco. Right, Absolutely, this exists. So if the closer you are to whiteness, right, the more your story is accepted, right, so we have to start breaking that down to get well, wait a minute, what about this group?
What about that? What about this? And it doesn't mean that we don't elevate the first story or the second story or whatever, like all these things can be true at once, right that that genocide has occurred in all these different areas or whatever racist a discrimination or whatever we're talking about the more and then again, as an educator, I have to teach that way. I can't just say this is, you know, in Surrey, right, so I could say, oh, our deep sing and our fool o food
are deep sing nature or like all these things. I mean, they wouldn't play well. But I want to make sure they also hear the Muslim stories, the Christian stories, the atheist stories. We're not record just taking path right now. But you know, whatever it might be, we have to push ourselves. So we have to reflect on ourselves. We have to take ourselves off the pedestal. That doesn't mean that we don't stand out for our own writing so that we don't let our stories be minimized, but they actually
get amplified. And that's when we know, oh, the system is not built for us the system is not good enough. The system needs to be transformed, not just reformed. Right, even like a police saying again, I'm the ship who's made it. Like it's one thing for one group to tell that story. It's one thing once everybody start selling your story and then you realize, well, wait a minute, this entire system cannot be performed. We need to go beyond that. Right, So, I think that's
how wesly continue that process. Will the media pay attention, That's a whole other question. Will the government allow the resources, Will teachers be given the time and space to actually speak those things? All of those are questions to answer and then to act on your life. It is very money, thank
you, So you want to do this? Yeah? So, actually just gonna connect to the question that I guess it was raised a lots in the United States because I think increasingly the borders are little read event And the reason why I say that is because a lot of the times what I see, specially with the advance fit of technology. But I think social media is used to amplify a lot of that day and if we honestly know we're talking about racism and in all its forms right now, there could be in some violence
against women. It could be targeting persons with diffic abilities physically mental, It could be you know, certainly against indigenous communities. It would become space vince of being a certain part of the world because I'm just wondering what your thoughts are, because they think it increases me when I thought social media would be a force of good. When you hear the opinions you share, I feel
like everybody's going into sideos. They're pigeon warning themselves us when on a particular social media platform you sort of have a certain world view, and especially if t hate field you, I guess the algorithms work such that you are flooded with more of that, whether it's Instagram or TikTok quite little or whatever.
So as an educating especially for you with filmmakers as a journalist, how do you sort of get that message out where borders our area and event where a lot especially that youth and other people are looking at these platforms rather than break more to discussions, uh, schools that you talk about maybe their differences in kind of learning with each other. Ah, I can get a short answer
and I'll pass it on. Uh. Pretty cool thinking, right, that's huge because absolutely these things dominate, right, and and you see kids producing an adults of that that are coming to the table with certain views and yes, compared to maybe when we were young, like kind of the entrant was a bit more about perhaps a wild place. But nonetheless now it's really targeting right, like legitimately like to your AGAs. So I think, what we
have to do. We have to provide us other resources which means more work, but also get them to think critically, get them to analyze. How do you manufacture consent? What does that look like right through a social media platform? So I think it's skill sets. It's building skill sets, reading skills, all kinds of things that again bring forward normal stories without them just believing what they see that. I mean, if you if you fall from
the propaganda, right, you're done. So so how do we make sure that we teach those things every day and then the content can be whatever it is? Right, But the skill sets are very deep? Well do you uh order and order read both lots and a comp start it's create a bottom line. Especial people are the real social difference factors. Any guys do it directly? Kind of vol I think I don't er set up and just just any is in such your las so he had upon it. I mean that's
not even even today. So for us, the border and the boundary used to be primarialie, and it is when we are actually trying to make the big powers accountable product whatever they do today. Very your politicians can take this uh a cover of UH say it's a federal issue. We can't cannot interroge because it's a federal issue. It's happening elsewhere in the world. We can only talk about what is happening in our backyard. But not it's not it's
not true. You you have picked a side. You you sided with Russia and r Ukraine when Russia in algy but you choose to stand up for the desire instead of the people of Palestine. So you have never made a choice and you cannot take this free all the planet's a federal issue. So for people like us, I would say these boundaries of border and boundary are very problematic. There is something that that many of us forget with social media.
You can turn that off if you have an off switch, right, or you have the choice of what it is that you wanna follow, mkay. So in a lot of respects. The corporate propaganda wants to take the choice away from you. They want you to take the money they want you with. Uh but things like Bill C. Nineteen, they want you to only follow the mass media message. They want to eliminate the independent media. And I'm not just saying that just because I'm an in the in the media person
and I gonna toot my own word on that money. But you have the ability to turn it off. You have the ability to follow the hashtags, the the the people that you know are spreading love. You wanna you you wanna stop the spread of hate, start to spread love. It there was a young lady and the double said that those are the same places than they are and propagate love. That's right, she said that, and it and it bols Crew twenty five years ago as it does today. You you have
to go to the same exact places and deliver those messages of love. And you wanna find out what turn Tony uh Tony's life around? It was it you discovered love with this walk with this little girl in his arms. We discovered love. And that's that's what we have to do. We have to propagate the love around and we have to listen to those who want to spread that message around. So that's is a saying that I shouldn't get this. Uh yes, I know it's that is gotta end uh will be good.
But yeah, it's that that I should get this on CDC that I don't think see to see what self this documentary like this is the data for others. But I agree with you, Michael, I think that you know with this whole my uh major media complaining about not being able to use Facebook to get your message out. There's all all kinds of alternaive media out there. I also want a online pactrum called Dunia dot journal dot com which is not
being able to access Facebook and Twitter as well. So it's a bit challenging. But yeah, there is alternative media. There is cooperat here, or there is uh BC uh uh journal and and and and so on, so go to that. I think we're running out of time. But the Solana, you cut your hand up that you want to close it up for us, and thank you. Solana is one of the programmers here at the festival. Thank you so much for having us here as thanks. It's so challenge
very much. I wanted to share for a moment. I know where the end, I still wanted to share this that it's bigger than the culture or
the color. And I'm thinking, I've been thinking lately how much when I hear of happening in Israel and Gauza, it's like the stories I heard of some of my ancestors in the Southwest, and what was happening with the command chings, and when there would be an atrocity that would be committed and then there would be an overreaction, there would be an even hugive atrocity with greater
damaging. And I'm thinking of the story another of my ancestors who was part of a wagon train I'm told that was going for Utah and was attacked by a group of Mormons who were united with Pattis because they were afraid of the United States Army, and they not succurred the wagon train and everybody over the
age of five. So I've been thinking about these things and thinking about when I was in university and a roommate who is of Chinese ancestry, other parents who were very except with her because she wanted to go out with the Japanese man. You know, that kind of bitterness and when we were returned to Korea hearing the stories of the Koreans about when the Japanese invaders came and they
were deprived of their language, their culture, et cetera. But it's I guess it's the question of it of how we can survive as humans and of yes, Holloween survived as humans. And what Tony was talking about, how when people lose their humanity in the face of other dehumanizing things, and so yes, how do the imagis spread love and places when we see some things
going back wads around us? And I wanted very much to create your courage and uh generosity and sharing the today true, but we need I will be our last round and uh, I went off again. Think, Uh, the hardest any festival which is a multidimensional festival. It has and other film documentaries that I can create your point and see the program right is there and many other films and and accessible cause if there's no charge so people can see.
Other festivals are not so like that, I think someone, I think the answer to your question is divided we fall right, and you know, and and the white supermass and and that a beens win. How people came together. All kinds of people came together and shoffle what had happened to your shaving? Numerous and yield right. And we need to come together. And we need to not be living in sidlaws, whether we're queer or trends or whatever, and and and and and and you know, uh uh stick to
our communities when we pick our our significant others. I'm near to a Chinese man in Taiwan, right, and and I I think that we need to first of all thing our role scare on these these considered homelands. But we need to come together and not be divided because of my finding thoughts. Uh I we we we need to stop dating divided, and we need to stand together. We need to stand together under the idea of love and humanity, equality, all those things that are deep set inside ways we we we c
Toy said that well that we we aren't born knowing how to hate. We're only born knowing how to love. Yeah, and we're taught later on how to hate. Stop teaching the hate. Simply put this, stop teaching to hate either. The generals can only say that I have mis privilege to amplify the stories of individuals who are who might be very very weak. Otherwise they do not have they know they're very powerful people, but who are in an
excellent work to bring the humanity together. So the least we can do this to amplify their stories, amplify their voices, which gives hope to everyone out there that we have people like saying and Johanna being a US woman, she stand up for the people of Palestine. I mean she does not represent all of these people, but her voice is very important. We need to amplify that. We need to amplify the voice of also like Gon in my career,
who was interviewed by Quire Life or the documentary. We need and if HYPO's voices that stories we give something doesn't excite, you're too high. And I think Jews like me are probably the simon majority I have to be about otherwise otherwise is not a thought and there are there are they just have to fight. I would say this, just make space, like try to share a story. If you just said amplified just as a regular person, we
don't have reach. Whatever doesn't matter. If I tell my story, let someone else told their story next to you so that people can see that connection. Right, So yeah, maybe someone's Korean. They share a Japanese story, right, Someone's Japanese. They sell that they they share a Korean story, right. Like, the more we push ourselves to do that, I fain the more we have these narratives out there that cannot be denied. Again, I'm just the parting Jews. I'm an Arabic Jew, right, So
this idea that coexistence can't ex it's bs right. It's actually a racing history, it really is. You want to talk about two thousand years. I'm like, well, yeah, let me tell you about two thousand years because you know a lot of people have actually lived it, right, compared to
other narratives that are out there. So make that space. As I tell my students, like, if you have your own TikTok, you have antry, I don't care if you have two followers two hundred and two million, Share the space, right, do not dominate it, just for yourself. Share the space, make space for hours. And that's really the only way because the powerful might not want to give off their power. But I have a feeling that those of us with less power, we can probably do a
lot more than we think. And I have to say, you know, being in a school environment where we have a lot of children that have survived a lot of trauma. It is so powerful to see us come together as people of multiple faiths and work together, fundraise for powestign do other things. And you can see that fear starts to go away and they feel empowered. And yet they do they come to humanized. They don't becomes my story and nobody else's. They actually start to see the value in sharing that space.
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