Thank you for listening to Depictions Media Radio. Welcome to policy and rights we show. Okay, welcomer policy Human Joys. Welcome back to policy and rights here in Depictions Media Radio. Okay. So well, now we're going to actually talk about Trump and as in a different report, we said that even as we're speaking, that Marines are merging onto the Mexican border as Trump said he would do. Well, I gotta give Donald Donald J. Trump this much credit. When he
says he's going to do something, he doesn't. He doesn't tell you I'm going to say I'm going to do one thing and then do something different. He does exactly what he says he's going to do. So if he says he's going to fortify the Mexican border to stop h illegal immigrations and to stop what he calls criminal activity along that border, then that's exactly what he's going to do. If he says he's going to put twenty five present tariffs against Canada and all of their products,
then he is definitely going to do that. And and if he gives you a deadline of February first to uh come with a reason for him to not do it, then your deadline is truly February first, and he is going to do whatever he wants unless you comply with with his reasoning. You have to give him credit for that and all the all the credit, all that credit. You know, he doesn't doesn't back talk you. He tells
you straight what he's going to do. What I find demoralizing about Donald Trump is much for the same reasons is because he doesn't listen to any type of reason that he just pushes forward and does what he wants, and that is the end of the conversation. He doesn't hear what you have to say. He only speaks at you. Okay, So we're gonna hear from Justin Trudeau and h and his ministers about that tariff and what it is that they think they can do to fight back against those tariffs.
Donald Trump has said at the ec World Economic Forum that he doesn't need Canada, that he has his own resources for his own for metals, for oil, for wood, for building cars and promoting the auto industry in the United States, and that he has his own way of getting Europe to buy US oil instead of buying Canadian oil, and he has his own way to ensure that that Canada will not be able to sell anything unless they go along with his idea of becoming the fifty first
state and become this super country between the US and Canada. I have to say that that's probably not likely to happen. But hey, he said it, he said what his things are. And like we said earlier, when he says he's going to do something, he just simply doesn't. So justin Trudeau flipped a switch in that he is is out of the era as Prime minister as of March first. He is tied up Parliament so that Parliament cannot be real have even as much as an emergency meeting to discuss
on a whole what to do about these tariffs. And my basic opinion is okay, he says he doesn't need Canada. Canada should turn everything off Canada. Canadian people should stop going into the United States to purchase stuff that there's a lot of US border towns that will suffer just by simply doing that. Turn it all off, turn it off before before February first, turn it off before he does it, and hit them with tariffs for everything that
they try to ship into this country. Maybe at thirty percent, so but there's a lot of debate along that, and there's a lot of debate as to what should actually happened because we have while we have thug Ford saying that, hey, that that may be the path they go, not exactly as I described it. He has a different way of different planing, a different way of discussing that. But do we have Premier Danielle Smith who doesn't want to do that.
She wants to find a more diplomatic way of getting to Donald Trump and is getting him to see reason and not hit Canada with the towers and to stop talking about turning Canada into the fifty first state. She also says that Canada should go along with Donald Trump with NATO, as announced that mister Trump wants to increase the GDP spending of to five percent for defense in
order to remain in NATO. And right now I believe that Canada is maybe at one and a half percent of that GDP and in a lot of respects calling the bluff on the United States with it, because Canada is the the Arctic defense country, not the United States. So why don't we hear with Justin Trudeau and his ministers had to say about mister Trump tariff and a strategy to protect Canada.
Over the past number of years, we brought Canada's defense spending up from below one percent, where it was under the previous Conservative government, to a path towards full two percent in the coming years. We have close to tripled projected defense spending since twenty fifteen, and we're going to continue to work with our NATO partners to make sure
that we're doing everything necessary to keep Canada safe. The next NATO meeting is in Netherlands in the Hague, but Canada has a strong track to invest in protecting the North, protecting Canadians in a complicated Canada. Monsieur Trumpemi are Boom, mikonamik narj Dahal Economy American Danisa erdre who re you s abour Boom economic Ivar was wining the plus energy
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as a reliable and trustworthy partner. If he does move forward on tariffs on Canada, as he has said, whether at PM back on January twentieth or on February first, February fifteenth is a Valentine's Day present, or on April first, or whenever he says he's going to do it. As he keeps repeating, two things will happen. One Canada will have a strong robust response because we don't want this, but we will respond if necessary.
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American consumers on just about everything will go up, and we don't think he wants that, so we're going to be there. He has talked about the border as being a great preoccupation for him. We have highlighted that less than one percent of illegal drugs coming into the United States. Less than one percent of migrants going into the United States come from Canada, but we're still investing over a
billion dollars in strengthening our borders. And as an illustration of what we've been saying all along, Toronto Police and the Border Services Agency just seized about eight hundred and thirty five kilograms of cocaine coming in from the United States into Canada via Mexican cartels. So we have challenges at our border on both sides of the border, and we are there to work constructively with them on the position.
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It would be bad for Canada, yes, but it would also be bad for American consumers, and that's why we are continuing to make the case that rather than restrict the goods coming from Canada, the US should be working even more with Canada on our energy, on our critical minerals on the goods that they need to be able to have the economic growth that Donald Trump has promised.
That is our first choice. Next, if they do move forward on tariffs, we are ready to respond in a strong way, but in a way that will be stepping up gradually, with one goal not to figure out how to manage these trat harris and live with them over the long term, but to figure out how to get them removed as quickly as possible. And on that everything is on the table.
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And I'm really glad to be here today to be meeting with my CAUCUSS colleagues. I am so grateful to the colleagues who have been supporting me. I want to highlight I'm especially grateful to the people who bring the caucus together, do the hard work in.
Our caucus, the workhorses of our caucus.
I'm really glad to have the support of the current Ontario Caucus Chair Michael Catteau, the former Ontario COCCUS chair Jamie Maloney, the Quebec Caucus chair Stefan Looson, the chair of Women's Caucus Leah Taylor Roy. And for me, a huge emphasis is going to be reviving the party, reviving the grassroots of the party, reviving a real.
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But at the end of the day it's up to caucus members to decide that. I would certainly encourage my colleagues to wait for the race to get underway a little bit to know what everybody stands for and what we're putting forward.
But what I can say is I'm getting calls.
From people right across the country who are joining the party, sometimes for the first time or rejoining because they're excited about it about me running. So at the end of the day, it's one member, one vote, and my job is one of the candidates, like all of us, is to convince lover of members that we're the best person for the job.
You see looks like a movement of the party establishment to make to run for mister Carney, and you seem to be getting a lot.
Of the younger people.
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Look, it's up to all of us to convince people that we're the right person for the job. And I have to say like, I am so boyed by the support that I'm getting from young people across the country.
But Bob, it's not just young people.
I'm hearing from people of every generation, every background to really feel hopeful about the fact that I'm running and feel hopeful for the first time about the future of the country in a long time.
And that's something that makes me excited too.
If you successful. One of your first being jobs been dealing with President Trump and Dados, who's talking about New Bernado swandon to go up to five percent of GDP and also saying of Canada wants to avoid tariffs, just become a state and they go away. How would you handle the Trump administration, especially with then DATO ass coming in now.
Well, first of all, Canada will never become the fifty first state of the United States. We are proud sovereign country and that's who we are, and there is no doubt in my mind that for every single Canadian that is first and foremost. And let me be very clear, our sovereignty is non negotiable and it will never be
on the table when it comes to NATO. Okay, Well, the US is not at five percent either, So look, I think we are definitely in a world where we need to make sure that we have adequate defense spending. We are in a whole different geopolitical context than we were even five years ago, and so I think this is something that we're going to have to talk about as NATO members in terms of what that means.
Canada still has a ways to go when it comes to getting to two percent.
We've committed to doing that, but we also need to address some of the challenges in our armed forces.
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They are not paid adequately and sufficiently, and that's one of the issues that we have when it comes to recruitment and what comes to retention.
We also need to address our procurement.
One of the things that I would do immediately is a point.
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Our allies about what our Western defense alliance looks like in the face of what are more aggressive actors around the world. So these are things that we absolutely have to be talking about, and I think it's really important for our military personnel to know that if I was the leader of the Liberal Party, if I was the prime minister, that I would have their backs because they've had our backs.
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What do you make of that idea?
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I've elected one.
You've talked about the GSD continuing that break on it for certain items, why not keep it for all items on the list and currently for the government calias, because I'm not sure that we need a permanent GST cut
on Christmas trees and Hanica bushes. By the way, so I don't actually know that many people that have Honica bushes, But what I can say is that on these yeah, But what I can say is that for parents, you gotta buy diapers, you gotta buy food, you gotta buy children's clothing, and those are big expenses for people, and that's why I would make that permanent.
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Okay, good, good to see all of you.
Some fill So, first and foremost, our engagement with the US continues. I had a thirty minute conversation with the new confirmed Secretary of State, Marco Rubio yesterday night.
We spoke about our bilateral relationship.
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further the conversations. Of course, in that context of that meeting next week and that trip next week, I will be meeting other key Republican senators.
This will be my fifth visit to the US and meeting.
The Trump administration since the elections. So the work continues.
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Well, I think it is a moment of unity. I think Canadians have no time for partisanship right now. They just want us to be united. They just want us to make sure that we are there to defend Canadian jobs. There's a lot of anxiety out there, there's a lot of fear, and so it is time for political leaders. May you be NDP, may you be conservative, may you
be liberal or block to work as one. And I think that when it when it comes also to some premiers what I've seen based on my conversations with them, then we want to be constructive. We understand that Alberta jobs are important, as on terror jobs, as Quebec jobs.
It's not a competition.
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Against our economy and against workers.
Our Americans confused by the mixed messages that they're getting from Canada.
What I'm seeing in Washington is that not a lot of people are aware of tariffs and can eat in tariffs in particular. I think that, you know, we think a lot about the US, the US doesn't think necessarily about Canada that much. And a lot of things are happening right now in Washington. President Trump is signing many, many different executive orders. Lots of things are still in transition.
The Secretary of Commerce is not even confirmed yet. The only member of the administration that is working on this file that has been confirmed is Marco Rubio, and so will be continued to work with.
When you mentioned that if he hit us with terrorist we're going to respond and it's going to affect US consumers.
Well, he understands that not only this will have an impact on Americans, but this will have an impact on how the US engaged in the world, and that will have.
An impact geopolitically.
He's the Secretary of State, He's in charge of having lots of relations with many countries around the world. I also talked about the importance of standing up against China together, and Rubio himself has been very hawkish against China.
So I think that we have a.
Good interlocutor to be able at least to talk to and to be constructive with That's my job as the top diplomat in the country to make sure that I create these relationships.
And we now have a process and the process is.
Clearly highlighted by the executive order. There will be lots of rhetoric.
We will hear a lot of different versions coming from south of the border.
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My volunteers to send a signal.
But folks, I've told you I'm not running in the leadership campaign because I need to take care of the Canada US relationship. And trust me, this is taking full time of my agenda. And now when it comes to Bill twenty one to your question, no surprise, I'm against it. I've said that years ago when the legislation came up, and I've been also clear on it when it comes to the Supreme Court of Canada with you know, if the Supreme Court was going to hear the case, we
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So many ministers lining up behind Marcarti and not your former deputy prime minister.
You know, it was a difficult choice. I have a lot of respect for all three candidates. I thought that it was important because of the threat that we're facing when it comes to the US triffs, that we have somebody that has been able to weather big crisis such as the two dozen eight crisis and also the the Brexist crisis. It is not only dealing with Trump, it is also to have a vision for the economy, to support Canadian workers across the country and to protect likelihoods.
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Freelom guided into Canada through the first NAFTA renegotiations and also was a finance minister for several years.
Are you saying she doesn't have what it takes to.
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I think she did a great job during Cosma, and I've had a lot of uh uh. You know, I have a lot of respect for my colleague Freelom, and I really hope that we can continue.
To work together as we are all working on making sure that we can weather the storm that is coming from the west.
You you come well, you know, you never know, there's still time, but you know you've got My mother always said you take one big decision at the time.
So I took one last week not to run for the leadership.
And then despite the fact Canadians, I've reached out and from across the nation and I was very Dutch organizer volunteers and colleagues. But you know what, I decided to stay to fight for Canadians, and yesterday was a good example. When you've seen with Amazon, if there's a time where we need to fight, to be strong, to send a strong message. My mission is an ambitious Canada, strong Canada. You know, we're going to get into a negotiation with
our American friends and we need to show strength. We need to stand up for Canadians as we've done, like I've done yesterday with the CEO of Amazon Canada telling her how we were frustrated that we learned that in the news that they did not call the federal government nor the Premier of Quebec. And we're talking about one thousand, seven hundred jobs in Canada, seven sites, and I said, this is unacceptable. This is not the way to do
business in Canada. And you know what, we need to have that kind of tone.
This is a new world.
When as the Problenistry said, when we're talking the President Trump, when I was at the Capital talking about the Golden Age in America, if it's good for the United States, should be good for Canada because we have integrated supply chain and as he said, they cannot be terrorists without consequences. They cannot be ter if without impact. There cannot be ter if without cost for the American consumers. So this is a week up call for Canada. Let's stand up,
Let's have unity in the country, a strong voice. Let's go confident in the negotiation. The best way is to show force, to be strong and to give confidence the Canadian that we have what it takes to win in the twenty first century.
Why are you endorsing mister Cardians.
Well, listen, I have said last week, I made a big decision. This week is you make one big decision today. I've learned that from my mother. So the week is still the week is still early. But one thing that I will do is to fight for Canada. But at the same time, make sure that we put the interest of Quebec on front and center. The French languages that would have a debate, make sure that the interest of
the prominence would be well represented. And at the same time, you know, you've seen every day we need to fight for Canada. And so that's what I'm going to be contributing.
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In terms of French, well, well we'll be able to make sure that whoever hopefully he is running in the campaign, there's only one candidate to suggested that French was not a key defining which is a which is you know, very very concerning. I would say the French heritage, the Frankland would need to be front and center and if hiring to lead this country needs to.
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get things quickly. He wants results. The best way to achieve results is to have partner to partner with Canada. We're not rivals, we're partner and and we're just not that nice neighbor of the North. We want to be the strategic partner of choice, and that's why we should. We will go in this negotiation with strength. We'll go there with confidence, and we have a lot to offer. So this is the way we should be. I just hope that Canada would be ambitious. That's what we need.
We need more ambition. We have what it needs to succeed.
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Should take that seriously, but that's not serious. Thanks, Thanks everybody, Thanks everybody.
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As you know, we're working with the February first deadline, and we are also understanding that that report on continental Trade will come out around April first, So we are ready at all times with our transhes of counter tariffs should it be necessary. But as I've said, we need to think of this as a marathon, not a sprint, and we need to maintain an even and steady keel, and that's exactly what we will be doing.
What kind of non teriff responses might Canada do?
Think about defense spending and defense procurements. We know that it is extremely important to ensure that we are meeting the NATO targets, and that's exactly what we set out to do in the defense policy update this year. We know that it's important to continue to fortify Norad. That's why I announced when I was Defense Minister, forty billion dollars in defense spending.
To fortify Nora. So that's just one example.
There are others reinforcing the border where we've put down one point two billion dollars helicopters, drones and the like.
So I'm really looked about in terms of reciprocal retaliation, but not through terrors.
Again, it's a hypothetical right now.
So currently your whole government's preoccupied.
We are preoccupied, but we are waiting for the indication as to what the US approach would be. And I'll say there are numerous conversations that are occurring, including I'll be going down to the US soon to meet with my counterpart, and multiple ministers have done so, so the dialogue has started.
What is what I'm saying, the five percent target that Trump today said NATO allies should reach, What do you make of that? Is that a realistic thing?
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Are you enjoying in the leadership campaign? Everybody wants to done.
I I appreciate the question.
I'm very happy and excited to be here with all of our caucus colleagues and will very much be focusing on we need to come out of this liberal leadership with a strong caucus in place to fight the next election. That's the most important thing, because we know that what we're fighting for are programs that help families, that help children, that help the elderly vulnerable in our society. That's why I ran for public office.
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Actually, I'll just say that here we have for one of the reasons I run for the leadership is that we really need to focus on them the response to the United States right now, and you can see that the issue relating to internal trade, reducing barriers inside our own country to trade and commerce is fundamentally important, especially at this time, and the Prime Minister has charged me with that responsibility as Minister of Internal Trade, and so
that's what I'm focusing on. That's a response to the global crisis that we are in the fact that all premiers and the federal government are at the table to have that conversation is fundamentally important. We're having an urgent meeting next week to hammer out some of the details relating to reducing interprovincial barriers to trade and commerce, and we will take it from there. The timeline is short.
But the work is so important, so stay tuned on that.
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Clarify English though, when the federal government intervenes, what are the arguments that you want to see it bring there?
Is it only on the use of the notwithstanding clause?
Are you going to argue the basis that the secularism law itself is unconstitutional?
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So I'm not going to sort of lay out right here now to the nature of what are.
Factor and your legal arguments. I want the gist of what you're saying to the court and the country.
And what I will say to you and to the country through you is that I'll say now what I've said all along, which is that when you get to the level of the Supreme Court of Canada and they're granting leave to appeal, what that means is that they think this is a matter of national importance. When it's a matter of national importance and there's a national conversation about interpreting Charter rates that will have an impact right
around the country. We're going to be there, and what we're going to do when we're there is we're going to defend the Charter that we helped create over forty years ago. That includes giving a fulsome interpretation to rights that relate to equality, rights that that relate to expression, rates that relate to religion. It's very important to be there because now we're having a case that's going to impact all Canadians.
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Escape clause shouldn't override those particular rights.
What else? What else?
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The idea about a dialogue between Parliament and the courts has existed for a long time in terms of jurisprudence and in law. Professor Hogg talked about it at length
before he passed. What we're doing by participating in that court process that will take place just down the street is participating in this dialogue, and I think it's important for a number of reasons, because there are other people who would presume to take the highest levels of power in this country, who spend most of their time attacking that court and undermine right.
And is the escape line by you right not argue that the day claus should not override those equality rights.
That you just We're going to talk about the important rights under the Charter, the rights of equality, the rights of religion, fuel of religion, freedom especially, we're talking about how they should be interpreted in the context of the usage.
Christopher Freeland is the best person to take on Donald Trump. She's a fierce defender of Canada. She left a lucrative job in New York to come and fight a contested nomination and then ran in a really hard by election and won, and she's won every election since. And I really think it's important to understand Caucus and look, we need a leader who can hit the ground running on day one.
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