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Autism spectrum disorder is a condition related to brain development that impacts how a person perceives and socializes with others, causing problems in social interaction and communication. The disorder also includes limited and repetitive patterns of behavior. The term "spectrum" in autism spectrum disorder refers to the wide range of symptoms and severity.
Autism spectrum disorder includes conditions that were previously considered separate — autism, Asperger's syndrome, childhood disintegrative disorder and an unspecified form of pervasive developmental disorder. Some people still use the term "Asperger's syndrome," which is generally thought to be at the mild end of autism spectrum disorder.Autism spectrum disorder begins in early childhood and eventually causes problems functioning in society — socially, in school and at work, for example. Often children show symptoms of autism within the first year. A small number of children appear to develop normally in the first year, and then go through a period of regression between 18 and 24 months of age when they develop autism symptoms.While there is no cure for autism spectrum disorder, intensive, early treatment can make a big difference in the lives of many children.

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Speaker 1

Thank you for listening to Depictions Media Radio.

Speaker 2

Welcome to Policy and Rights show up, Gosh, welcomer, Policy human Joys. All right, welcome back to Policy and Rights. Here Depictions to Media Radio. I'm your host, Michael Cloggs. There's a lot going on about Robert Kennedy Junior making some comments about autism. How I'm saying it is reached epidemic levels and he wants the CDC to look into it. Okay, let's let's discuss autism. Autism is a spectrum disorder and the reason why we want to focus on that word disorder.

Let's focus on that for a second. And what you're gonna find out is that autism is a different way of wiring the brain so that it will function. Nature is an amazing thing and it produced this alternative way for our brain to function. And autism is that there are different levels of autism and different ways to get through to each person so that you can communicate and

find out their ideas. When you manage to unlock those ideas that each and every person has within them, you find that wait a second, it's a different wiring of the brain. That means their brain actually functions and it functions at a very in a very different way. Notice I'm not using any terms that would denounce intelligence or or state something that there is a cure in the leading back to what Robert Kennedy Jr. Is actually driving at with the idea of bringing the CDC board to

examine why autism is at a all time epidemic. High epidemic needs the curable disease. There is no cure for autism because it's not a disease. There is no fixing the brain because there's nothing wrong with a person's brain who has autism. There is only a matter of understanding. And it would seem that once again that in order to put an agenda forth that mister Trump and his administration has to denounce something else that is wonderful and beautiful.

I will tell you this that I have been doing doing radio and podcasting broadcasting for quite a number of years, and one of my longtime partners has autism, and he was one of the best broadcasters I've ever met because he was able to focus on details that Hey, with my normal wiring of the brain was not able to see. He was able to hear things differently. He was able to see a different path of interesting. I just keep using the word different or diverse because that is what

autism actually is. It is a different wiring. It is a nature creating diversity within the human species. Okay, so this next recording you're gonna hear leads back to some

of my roots in broadcasting. One of the shows that Kelly Rayburn and I did together, and Kelly is that partner that I've talked about and long long term friend that I've talked about with autism, and he produced this next episode of Community Living, and that Community Living podcast you also you cannot actually listen to its entirety under our umbrella ads community living podcasts, but I'm going to post it up again because I think that this is

important to understand that autism is a brain function. It is not a disease. It's not necessarily a disorder. It's just a diverse functioning of the brain, and that we should respect that and we should also listen to people that have it, because there is no such thing as stupidity or any of those other really outdated terms that we just find a way to communicate together in harmony.

So let's move forward into the Community Living podcast as recorded by Kelly Rayburn about autism and r f k's junior's statements.

Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

This is the Community Living podcast on Depictions Media Radio. I'm Kelly Reeburn or known as kJ ray for Gums and Maples, Episode fifteen. We're going to talk about some issues on autism. Now. Two days ago, I believe RFK Robert Ford Kennedy has addressed the conference on the new issues on autism fundings and the issues from the CDC, the disease control and the Centers for Disease and Control Prevention.

So basically he's going to talk about many of the issues that has come up with the House and Human Services Secretary from Robert F. Kennedy Junior, and discussion on the latest Autism and Developmental Disabilities monitoring, the a DDM network survey, the centers from these control and prevention in America.

So it's about thirty minutes. It's about thirty minutes clip of how Robert RFK Jr. Has talked about on the issues dealing with the CDC and I'm guessing could be dealing with vaccine issues and stuff like that that might be happening in and around America. So here now is a clip of RFK Junior holding the press coverance on the latest fundings with Autism through to the CDC. If you have any more information about me and what I do for my show is Gums and Mabels at gmail

dot com. And that's what I do. And of course, if you want to contact Michael Clogs for the Depictions Media Radio, it's Mark Michael's Michael Rubin's marketing productions that he's done. I'm okay. So if you want to contact Michael Ruben Clogs or Michael Clogs, go on uh. His email address is Michael at Rubens Marketing and Networking dot com or on Michael at Depictionsmedia dot com. Either one of those can be reached for him on comments on

Depictions Media Radio. And you have my email Gums and Maples at gmail dot com if you want to hear more about what I do and for not just my musical show but other forms like this like can You a Living podcasts or Paulsy and rights issues that kind of stuff. Anyways, here's the clip now on RFK Junior holding press conference on the Autism fundings for the CDC.

Speaker 4

Enjoy Human Services, Welcome to the process and the supporters of the MAHA movement who are here today to listen to Secretary Kennedy and Walter Zaharandi's remarks regarding the CDC's latest Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring Network survey that was published yesterday in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. I am honored to introduce to you Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Junior.

Speaker 5

I'm going to go over some of the key numbers from the eight m report. Overall, the autism is is increasing in prevalence, had an alarming rate. The study tests eight year olds who were born in twenty fourteen, and by the way, these studies are two years later than

they should be. And one of the things that we're going to do is we remove this function to the Administration for Healthy America to the Chronic Disease The new Chronic Disease Division is we are going to have updated real time data so that people can look at this. Americans can understand what is happening with chronic disease in this country in real time. And I'd have to wait two years to react. We don't wait two years to react to a measless epidemic, and we should not or

a diaby or any kind of infectious disease. We shouldn't have to do that for diabetes or autism. The ASD prevalence rate in eight year old this is now one in thirty one, shocking. There's an extreme risk for boys.

Speaker 2

Over all.

Speaker 5

The risk for boys of getting an autism diagnosis in this country is now one in twenty and is high in California, which has the best DAID of collection. Oh it probably also reflects a national trend one in twelve point five boys. This is part of an unrelenting upward trend. The prevalence two years ago was one in thirty six. Since the first eighty DM report in nineteen ninety, which was nineteen ninety two berths autism has increased by a

factor of four point eight. It's four hundred and eighty percent. I believe the first eighty DM the survey was twenty two years ago. One prevalence was one in fifty one in one hundred and fifty children in all the core states.

The trend is consistently upward, and most cases now are severe, so about twenty five percent of the kids who are diagnosed with autism are nonverbal, non toilet trained, and have other stereotypical features headbanging, tactile and light sensitivities, stemming, toe walking,

et cetera. One of the things that I think that we need to move away from today is this is this ideology that this that the autism diagnoses, that the autism prevalence increase, that the relentless increases are simply artifacts of better diagnoses, better recognition, or changing diagnostic criteria. If you look at Table three of the ad DM report, it's clear that the rates are real, that they are increasing in the last ten years, year by which is

the fruit beginning with the first one. Year by year, there is a steady, relentless increase. I want it because this this epidemic denial has become a feature in the mainstream media, and it's based on an industry canard. And obviously there are people who don't want us to look at environmental exposures, and so I want to just read you some of the little excerpts from some of the

older studies. The baseline for autism in this country was established with the biggest, the largest epidemiological study in history, a study of all nine hundred thousand children in the state of Wisconsin children under the age of twelve. They found point seven point seven children and autism meant every ten thousand. That's less than one in ten thousand. Today we're one in thirty one. The that study also confirmed

the for to one male to female ratio. There were at that time just over sixty children in Wisconsin with autism, and today it's around twenty thousand. In nineteen eighty seven, there was another exhaustive study, a peer viewed study in North Dakota set out to count every child in the state with a pervasive developmental disorder, including autism. That study meticulously can through every record, every diagnosis, and he even conducted the in person assessments of the entire population of

one hundred and eighty thousand children under eighteen. The autism rate they found was three point three per ten thousand, So that's in line with a one in ten thousand that was found in Wisconsin seventeen years earlier or contexts today, the last number of one in thirty six is eighty three times higher. In nineteen eighty seven, out of every one million kids, three hundred and thirty were diagnosed with autism. Today, there are twenty seven thousand, seven hundred and seventy seven

for every million. If you accept the epidemic deniers narrative, you have to believe that researches in North Dakota missed ninety eight point eight percent of the children with autism, and thousands of profoundly disabled children were somehow invisible to doctors, teachers, parents, and even their own study. The same researchers who followed the original cohort for twelve years to double checked their number. They went back in two thousand and found that they

had missed exactly one child. So doctors and therapists in the past were not stupid, They weren't missing all these cases. The epidemic Israel. Between nineteen fifty nine and nineteen to sixty five, researchers from fourteen hospitals associated with major universities undertook the National Collaborative Perinatal Project, tracking thirty thousand children from birth to age eight. This was no a half big survey based analysis. The study conducted nine separate screenings

covering neurology, psychology, speech, language, hearing, and visual function. Every developmental quirk anominally in disorder was logged with painstaking detail. Autism condition characterized by profound impairments and social communication and behavior would have stood out like a fashion, like a neon sign. There were fourteen cases as four point seven per ten thousand. So we know what the historic numbers are,

and we know what the numbers are today. And it's time for everybody stop attributing this to this ideology of epidemic denial and was in In two thousand and nine, the California State Legislature charged the Mind Institute of UC Davis with because this myth was already becoming pervasive. The myth of epidemic denial was already becoming pervasive in the

mainstream media. The California Legislature directed the Mind Institute of u SEE Davis to answer the question, and Irva Hertz Pahoto, is a highly esteem revered as a scientist, neurology and epidemologists, came back with a definitive answer. The epidemic Israel. Only a very very small portion of it can be changed, A better can be charged, a better recognition or better diagnosicteria.

I want to say a couple of other things. There are many, many other studies that are firm this and instead of listening to this is a canard of epidemic denial. All you have to do is start reading a little science because the answer is very clear and this is catastrophic for our country. There's a recent study by blackxail at All and a team of other researchers said that the cause of treating autism in this country by twenty thirty five, so within ten years, will be a trillion

dollars a year. This is added to already astronomical health care costs. And then there's an individual injury. These are kids that this is a preventable disease. We know it's an environmental exposure. It has to be. Genes do not cause epidemics. They can provide a vulnerability. You need an

environmental toxin and our erv hurtz. Buta Shoda pointed out that that because of this mythology tend to the amount of money and resources put into studying genetic causes, which is a dead end, has been historically ten to twenty times the amount to spent by NIAGE and other agencies to study environmental factors, to study exposures, to study external factors, and that's where we're going to find the answer. This is an individual tragedy as well. Autism destroys families. More importantly,

it destroys our greatest resource, which are our children. These are children who should not be who should not be suffering like this. These are kids who, many of them, were fully functional and regressed because of some environmental exposure into autism when they're two years old. And these are kids who will never pay taxes, they'll never hold a job, they'll never play baseball, they'll never write a poem, they'll never go out on a date. Many of them will

never use a toilet unassisted. And we have to recognize we are doing this to our children, and we need to put an end to it. And I think I'm going to have Walter Zahar Rodney, who is the most senior researcher for this project for ADDM, and who's been doing this for many years, to come up and say a little.

Speaker 6

Good morning, thank you for being here. I'm here as a long term autism researcher and a clinical psychologist. I get to wear two hats. One with patients and families trying to help them get to a diagnosis and to interventions and treatments, but also for the last twenty plus years as the director of the New Jersey Autism Study, which is a CDC sponsored autism surveillance system. We've monitored autism in New Jersey in concert with the Centers for

Disease Control and Prevention since two thousand. When we began our endeavor with CDC, we expected to do maybe two or three baseline studies to establish how many children have autism, because it was not expected that autism prevalence would increase. Other childhood disabilities, neurologic disorders do not increase or change over time. But somehow, for some reason, with autism, everything

was different. Autism went from being a very unusual, rare disability which affected, as the Secretary said, one child in maybe ten thousand, to being known in every community, every school district, every center that cares for children with disabilities. Autism is real. It's a true disability. It's not a personal quirky issue. Everything is changed for the individual with autism, and while there's a wide range of expression, it does change the family and it does inevitably change the community.

In the society in which we find it, autism prevalence has increased very dramatically. It's increased in New Jersey where we have excellent resources and access to services, and it's increased in all the states in the network. It's increased not only by the CDC ATOM network active surveillance activities, but it's increased according to federal idea, statistics and information

from multitude of surveys. It is a true increase. There is better awareness of autism, but better awareness of autism cannot be driving disability like autism to increase by three hundred percent in twenty years. That's what we saw on New Jersey. That's what the CDC report of yesterday indicates, and that's what, in my opinion, future reports from epidemiologists will show. The data provided in yesterday's report strongly suggests that not only is this a high point of autism prevalence,

but in the future rates can only be higher. Autism deserves to be treated as a real public health phenomenon, and I would say is an urgent public health crisis. It's not just that we're more astute or perceptive. It's not like these it's not like two or three children out of for everyone with autism has remained invisible. Autism

is striking and the consequences are life long. So I would urge everyone to consider the likelihood that autism, whether you call it an epidemic, tsunami, or a surge of autism, is a real thing that we don't understand, and it must be triggered or caused by environmental or risk factors. We need to address this question seriously, because, in my opinion, for the last twenty years, we've collected data but not made real progress in understanding of what causes autism or

how to effectively prevent it or treat it effectively. So I urge you to read the report very carefully. I urge you to do something that nobody does and go into the many supplemental tables and see that autism is a true phenomenon, and that we need a correct perception, not a perception that allows us to just provide services without understanding the root causes or the true factors at play. So thank you for your attention. I wish we could answer questions.

Speaker 5

I think we can. Let me just say one other thing. I read a I referred to a number of studies. There are many, many, many others in the scientific literature that absolutely explode this mythology that this is. You know, that the autism epidemic is not real. If you read the literature, it is absolutely it is absolutely indefensible to continue to promote this. But it doesn't take you to read the literature. It just takes a little common sense.

If autism, if the epidemic is an artifact, a better diagnostic criteria or better recognition, And why are we not seeing it in older people? Why is this only happening in young people? You know? I asked Walter before we came out here, I said, have you ever seen anybody our age? I'm seventy one years old with full blown autism, head banging, uh, nonverbal, non toilet trained, stimming, toe walking, these other stereotypical features. Where are these people walking around

them all? You can't find them. They're not in homes. There are no homes for them, there are no institutions for them. Why are we seeing them on the street? Anybody can look around and see that this is a canard, And then you have to ask yourself why is it so pervasive? Why has it been thrown up against us for so many years? And clearly there are industries. This is coming from an environmental toxin, and somebody made a profit by putting that environmental toxin into our air, our water,

our medicines, our food. And it's their benefit to say all to normalize it, to say all this is all normal, it's always been here. But that's not good for our country. It's not good for the press to not be more inquisitive, to not be more skeptical. And within three weeks, and probably we're hoping in two weeks, we're gonna announce a series of new studies to identify precisely what the environmental

toxins are that are causing it. This has not been done before, and we're gonna do it in a thorough and comprehensive way. And we're gonna get back to when with an answer to the American people very very quickly. Great, thank you, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 7

I was not diagnosed with autism to take that charity for whis it took me five years to get dig us later. You also talk about the fact that the numbers increase with black and the GP you your own studies and your own study says these bodies are indicate that improvements as the awareness identification of passes to services and communities above black and lets you bespect and hey, you can get children.

Speaker 2

How to true?

Speaker 7

Do you think that? D do you think that or are you denying that?

Speaker 2

The past black.

Speaker 7

Lets you know, the young people had not been diagnosed, the diagnosed or to be able to They've been disciplinedly that incarcerated, and now they're finally getting the services that they need.

Speaker 5

Oh yeah, I and and there are there are smallest livers of the autism epidemic, maybe ten percent to twenty five percent according to the studies highest studies, around twenty five percent that can be attributed to to a better recognition and better diagnosis. U. That means eighty five percent or are are still or seventy five percent to eighty percent are still are part of an epidemic. And that is too many. And and that is what we need to address.

Speaker 4

Walter, do you have something you'd like to add?

Speaker 6

There's better recognition of autism and better awareness because there are more children with autism, and the professionals have greater reason to learn from what their experience and to diagnose. I wish the contrary was true, but uh, it's not like better awareness pushes something that's not there. Rather something that's there is being recognized.

Speaker 4

Secretary, can you please say your first and last name and outlet before asking a question.

Speaker 2

Thank you.

Speaker 8

Sure, oh, Secretary Kennedy, a manisites with the Associated Press. Some of the CDC's own research has concluded that there's a genetic link at play with autism. Are you saying today that you don't trust that research or that it was wrong? Could you explain?

Speaker 5

No, there is You know, we have really good genetic markers now and they provide a vulnerability. Those genetic markers alone are not going to are not going to dictate your destiny. You need an environmental toxin. I mean, there are many genetic markers that dictate the metal methylation capacity of the human body. Those contribute to those dictate me. You know, listen with many people smoke cigarettes and only

one in five died from lung cancer. There were four of them that didn't and those were the ones that had some circumstances, probably genetic, and made them more susceptible to it. And the same is true. We know that that gluetithion production and glu gluteith ion is is an enzyme that that helps the human body excrete metals and toxins. People with low glutithion production are more vulnerable. People with the mt HF orgy in which dictates of methylation are

more vulnerable. People with high testosterone are more vulnerable. So there are a lot of genetic vulnerabilities. You need an environmental toxin.

Speaker 9

Alex at Fox, Alex Hi, Alex Hof Fox News. In seeking out an environmental toxin, do you feel that if one or several are detected or put on your radar, do you think it would be the same one causing issues at both ends of this spectrum children who struggle with let's say sensory issues all the way to those who are fully care dependent, unable to speak. Would it be the same catalyst in all of those varying conditions?

Speaker 5

You think, well, those are the kind of studies that we're going to do. And you're right, there is there's a spectrum of injuries and we don't know. There are studies that you know that, uh, look at maternal activation so that you know something happens in the womb. There are studies at and look at other genetic cause the issue that we know as genes don't cause epidemics. You need an environmental toxin, and we're gonna look at all the potential culprits. We're going to look at mold. We're

going to look at food additives. We're gonna look at pesticides. We're going to look at air and water and medicines. So you know, we're gonna look We're gonna look at ultrasound because there's a timeline that you know, something happened. In fact, Congress said to EPA, ordered EPA to tell us what year the autism epidemic began. The EPA scientists

came back and said, it happened in nineteen eighty nine. Oh, you you know, you have to find a toxin that became ubiquitous around that time period, and that affected every demographic from Cubans and keeps gay to Inuit in Alaska, and that affects boys at the four to one rate show as girls. There's only amitted universe of those, but

actually it's quite large. And you know, erber Heertz Pachota was the one who suggested that one of the things we have to look at is ultras I don't think that that's probably a factor, but it's one of the exposures that became ubiquitous during that period, and we're going to look at all of them agnostically, We're going to find the potential exposures that increase during that time period, and then we're going to uh and we're gonna we're gonna see if there is a link to this, to this injury.

Speaker 4

Thank you, Nathan at Epic Times, I'm sorry, Please go, Nathan, Nathan.

Speaker 10

Uh, Yes, Nathan Worcester with Epic Times. During that same time period of increasing autism prevalence or diagnoses, there's also been a significant increase in maternal and paternal age. Couldn't that be a significant contributor with what maternal and paternal age.

Speaker 5

Yeah, we're gonna look at all of that. We're gonna look at obesity in the parents. We're gonna look at the age of the parents. We're gonna look at diabetes in the parents, and look at all these potential exposures. And because of AI and because of the digitalization of health records and the and the massive health records that are now available to us, we can do this much qui more quickly than it has ever been done in the past.

Speaker 4

Shyanne, this is our last question. Thank you.

Speaker 11

Do you still pledge to have answers by September or is that going to be the beginning of this process. And are you open to following the science, the science, regardless of whether it confirms some of your expectations or not.

Speaker 5

Yeah, I mean, we're gonna we're gonna follow the science no matter what it says, and we are we will have some of the answers by September.

Speaker 3

Uh.

Speaker 5

You know, it's going to be an evolving process. We're going to involve you know, we're going to issue grants the way that it's always done to university researchers and others.

We're going to remove the taboo. People will know they can research and they can follow the science no matter what it says, without any kind of fear that they're going to be censored, that they're going to be gaslighted, that they're going to be silenced, they're going to be defunded, the licensed and we're going to give them permission to do this research. And then we're going to open it up to the research community and we're going to task them with certain outcomes and we're going to have them

come in bid on how to do the research. This is all being run by Jay Patachara and by and you know, I think Martin Coldorf may be also working on this undesigning the grant proposals. So it's going to be done by credible scientists, by the most credible scientists from all over the world, and we're going to do it very very quickly. Yeah, one more question. You identify yourself.

Speaker 11

You identify which environmental toxins are positive autism.

Speaker 5

What do you expect the impact on the industries that are causing those you cited industry as well. We're I think we're gonna figure out a way to make pressure on them to remove it. And I think also you know, there will be market forces that that that that uh

that also exert pressure on them to remove it. And oh, I wanted to say, I'm very grateful President Trump because he tas me on day one of this job with making this a priority of finding out what's causing the autism epidemic, and we are gonna do it for 'em. Thank you all very much.

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