“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.” This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman , an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known diagnosis of PTSD, CPTSD arises from prolonged, repeated trauma that erodes one’s sense of self a...
Jul 15, 2025•48 min
Are you tired of life feeling heavy, stuck in repetitive patterns dictated by the past? This week, Thomas explores the revolutionary idea that life is a fluid, rewritable process. Discover how awakening to the Kundalini stream connects you to the ever-present flow of creation, allowing you to redefine existence by its pure presence, not a chain of cause and effect. This journey is a continuous path of refining your present experience and embracing movement as the very essence of life, transformi...
Jul 08, 2025•24 min
“Nature positive is people positive. Without harmony with nature, there won't be a bright future for people.” This week, Thomas Hübl sits down with Marco Lambertini , the Convener of the Nature Positive Initiative, to explore humanity's deep, inherent connection to nature, what’s at stake if climate destruction continues to accelerate, and what we can do to stop it. Marco’s Nature Positive movement is working on actionable measures to reverse nature loss by 2030, bringing more forests, fish, and...
Jul 01, 2025•53 min
Can we approach discomfort and tension as opportunities for growth? Can humanity mature beyond divisive conflict? This week, Thomas is joined by much loved returning guest, NYT bestselling author, and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen , to hash out the concerning fragmentation that feels inescapable right now and explore what we can do to combat it. As we face past and current collective traumas, massive information overload, and current events that overwhelm our nervous...
Jun 24, 2025•34 min
Thomas explores the foundational spiritual building blocks of life, with a particular focus on the concept of space. More than just a void that we occupy physically, space is a key element of life that we co-create. And we need space—for reflection, digestion, integration, and nervous system regulation. Get a bigger picture perspective on your spiritual journey and learn essential tools for connecting to your inner wisdom, resilience, compassion, and intelligence. ✨ Click here to watch the video...
Jun 19, 2025•15 min
What is Polyvagal Theory and how does it explain the science of feelings? This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Stephen Porges , a professor, author, and the originator of Polyvagal Theory. Dr. Porges’ theory offers radical yet practical methods for calming our physical (or “biobehavioral”) states so that our mind can follow suit. Traditionally, the opposite approach has been the norm, but research increasingly indicates that the body should lead the charge. In this conversation, it’s made clear ...
Jun 17, 2025•52 min
“The person doesn't have a soul, the soul has a person.” This week, Thomas goes deep in a spiritual teaching that explores the essence of the soul —an energy field that enfolds our consciousness and our life and is fundamentally connected to the collective and the planet. Through embodied spiritual practice, we can become spacious enough to let in divine light, ground it in the physical world, and open ourselves to subtle capacities and deeper sensing. Using these practices, we also become more ...
Jun 10, 2025•26 min
Can humanity’s ethical and spiritual maturity catch up to our technological progress? Or will this gap in development lead to catastrophe? To explore our collective path forward, Thomas sits down with Dr. Roger Walsh , a Professor of Psychiatry, Philosophy, and Anthropology, and the host of the Deep Transformation podcast. Their conversation mines the depths of our inner worlds, finding hope in the idea that kindness, generosity, and altruism are more inherent and natural to humans than selfishn...
Jun 03, 2025•49 min
What if there was a practice that helped us collectively witness and digest world events without becoming overwhelmed, indifferent, or numb? What if this practice could lead to new levels of collective healing? Thomas sits down with Kosha Joubert to discuss this revolutionary practice, called Global Social Witnessing. Kosha is the CEO of the Pocket Project, a non-profit organization co-founded by Thomas that’s dedicated to growing a culture of trauma-informed care. Global Social Witnessing addre...
May 27, 2025•46 min
In this teaching, Thomas Hubl focuses on the heart as not just a physical organ but a central hub for emotional maturity, spiritual development, mind-body integration, and connection to universal intelligence. He offers a guided contemplative practice to lead you into the depth of your heart space so that you can listen deeper to your own truths, integrate mind and body, become a deeper listener for others, and better regulate your nervous system. Click here to watch the video version of this ep...
May 22, 2025•16 min
Can we metabolize our pain to create an entry point into liberation? How can spirituality support us in this process? This week, Thomas sits down with Buddhist minister, author, and activist Lama Rod Owens to share visions for collective liberation, the importance of reconnecting with Indigenous worldviews, sacred ecology, and unseen worlds, and strategies to overcome hopelessness and despair as we work to dismantle harmful systems. They explore the intersection of individual and collective trau...
May 20, 2025•54 min
Trauma makes it difficult to feel joy, but you CAN experience it again, even if you’re in the early stages of your healing journey. This week, Thomas sits down with trauma researcher, life coach, and the author of Unbroken and The Joy Reset, Dr. MaryCatherine McDonald , to redefine joy, examine how trauma steals it from us, and explore how we can learn to let it into our lives again. Dr. McDonald has identified six “thieves of joy”—coping mechanisms that helped us to survive trauma and hardship,...
May 13, 2025•55 min
Thomas explores a holistic, interdependent approach to well-being to help us navigate uncertainty, manage stress, and become a source of stability for ourselves and those around us. In times of global uncertainty, it’s essential that we come together—to pause, reflect, and reconnect. Thomas shares insights and practices to support us in cultivating the inner resilience needed to meet life’s challenges with greater presence, clarity, and care. Now more than ever, we need resilience to remain grou...
May 06, 2025•51 min
Thomas is joined by Terry Real , an acclaimed family therapist, bestselling author, and the founder of The Relational Life Institute. Terry shares insights from his years of work with couples and families struggling to repair their relationships, and how practicing what he calls “Relational Mindfulness” is a game-changer for anyone whose past traumas are negatively impacting their current connections. As Terry explains, the work of relationships is not day-by-day; it’s moment-to-moment. And in e...
Apr 29, 2025•55 min
Thomas is joined by Debbie Levin , CEO of the Environmental Media Association, to discuss the role of media in shaping sustainability consciousness and how to effectively communicate about environmental issues. Debbie shares the importance of being gracious and non-judgmental when sharing knowledge on how to live a healthy, clean, and sustainable life. She explains how her organization has successfully leveraged celebrities’ platforms to spread awareness on crucial environmental issues and how t...
Apr 22, 2025•53 min
Thomas explores the qualities of leadership and collaboration that are needed to heal collective trauma. He shares how each of us plays a unique role—like musicians in an orchestra—contributing our distinct talents to a larger symphony of healing and transformation. Thomas addresses the impact of fear-based systems rooted in hierarchical power and advocates for shifting toward creative, relational models of leadership. He stresses the importance of self-reflection, community, and attuning to the...
Apr 17, 2025•15 min
Thomas Hübl sits down with celebrated speaker, posthumanist thinker, poet, teacher, and author Bayo Akomolafe to explore the leading edges of spiritual thinking and human identity. Bayo is a deeply experimental thinker, informed by the African cosmologies of the Yoruba and Igbo traditions. He leads an exploration into a new paradigm of healing that de-centers the individual to focus on the village, on the communal. He and Thomas discuss how modernity, especially in Western cultures, creates a fa...
Apr 15, 2025•59 min
Thomas explores the relationship between inner space and outer space, examining the ecosystemic impacts of nervous system regulation, presence, and maturity. He shares how contemplative practices, such as meditation, help develop the parts of our brain that promote regulation, the importance of developing a daily practice, and the maturity in knowing when to slow down and take a step back from stressful situations, news, and social media. Tune in to learn how our individual regulation and presen...
Apr 08, 2025•20 min
Thomas and Zen teacher, mediator, and author Diane Musho Hamilton explore two key spiritual concepts—waking up and growing up— and why they’re so crucial in our rapidly changing world. Diane shares personal stories of loss, challenge, and resilience, and how contemplative practice and emotional development became essential tools for navigating adversity. They discuss spiritual practice, recognizing interconnectedness, and conflict resolution as necessary pathways for individual and collective gr...
Apr 01, 2025•48 min
In this guided meditation, Thomas invites you to explore the current state of your mind. Explore your attachment to your thoughts and welcome a greater sense of presence and curiosity. Watch the video version of the episode on YouTube: 👉 https://youtu.be/Q0Tty5OWpwI ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com ✨ NEW Live, Online Course - Practicing Meditation: Breath, Body, and Vitality Deepen your meditation practice and harmonize mind, body, and emotion...
Mar 27, 2025•7 min
Thomas and award-winning reproductive justice and human rights leader Loretta J. Ross explore how we can address inequality, oppression, and hate in an atmosphere of political division and fast-paced technological progress. Loretta shares experiences that helped her form more effective strategies to solve social problems collectively and build inclusive movements that fight oppression with love, hope, and community instead of hate, anger, and vengeance. She and Thomas discuss the concept of “Cal...
Mar 25, 2025•45 min
Thomas dives deep into the relationship between spirituality and healing, exploring how maturing our relationship with the divine provides incredible resources on our journey of self-discovery and ethical development. This teaching expands on the core spiritual principle of grace, its relationship to forgiveness, and the importance of owning your choices and transgressions as you expand your consciousness and connection to spirit. Thomas explores how to regain connection to our spiritual essence...
Mar 18, 2025•23 min
Thomas and Dr. Lisa Miller , a clinical psychologist, professor, and NYT bestselling author, explore humans’ innate capacity for spirituality. Dr. Lisa explains how neuroscience and cutting-edge research help us understand our hard-wired drive for spiritual awareness and what these discoveries mean for the way we approach our spiritual journeys…and our entire lives. According to Dr. Miller, we’re all receptive to transcendent relationships, we are all emanations of the same source, and there is ...
Mar 11, 2025•43 min
Thomas is joined by Mathieu Lefevre , co-founder of More In Common, to explore the growing polarization in society and the surprising ways in which we are actually more united than we think. Mathieu discusses his extensive research on social divisions in the U.S. and Europe, revealing how social media and news media create a distorted mirror of reality that exaggerates our differences. He explains the concept of perception gaps, where people overestimate how extreme their opponents’ views are, a...
Mar 04, 2025•57 min
How can we stop repeating patterns from the past? Thomas Hübl explores what it will take for individuals and societies to respond maturely to the current atmosphere of collective stress and not give in to polarizing and fragmenting forces. In our lives and in our histories, we see repeating patterns and often react in unhealthy ways. To address these collective issues, we need to look inside—check in with ourselves when we’re triggered, and develop a more fluid and integrated perspective. Thomas...
Feb 25, 2025•26 min
Thomas explores three dimensions of time that shape our spiritual practice, and our healing journeys: the flowing 'river of time,' the frozen pockets of trauma that disrupt its movement, and the profound stillness of timelessness. Through deep introspection and integration, uncover how to transform stuck patterns into a liberated flow, embracing the wisdom of both modern psychology and ancient traditions. This bonus podcast episode is dropping on the two-year anniversary of Point of Relation! St...
Feb 20, 2025•19 min
Thomas is joined by author, artist, and founder and CEO of Adaptive Leadership, Zander Grashow , for a conversation on the type of leadership that’s needed as humanity faces an unprecedented acceleration of social and technological change. In order for us to meet this moment, we need to dismantle broken and corrupted systems, develop new social and relational skills, and collectively re-imagine the future that we want to work towards. This requires us to stay engaged despite the difficulty, and ...
Feb 18, 2025•49 min
Thomas is joined by educator, musician, activist, and creator of First Voices Radio, Tiokasin Ghosthorse . Tiokasin is a member of the Cheyenne River Lakota Nation of South Dakota, and shares deep wisdom from the Lakota worldview, language, and traditions. He and Thomas explore ways for us to redefine our relationship with Mother Earth, moving away from a mindset of separation and domination towards one of interconnectedness, mutual becoming, and intuition. Tiokasin shares how we can be more in ...
Feb 11, 2025•56 min
Thomas Hübl explores what it means to get in touch with our deepest humanity, live our spirituality with respect to the freedom of all humans, and move through the world with embodied awareness. We are all composed of a divine light—an unbroken stream of data that began with our oldest ancestors. But we have also inherited trauma from those who came before us, and from the events of our own lives. Healing and integrating these traumas has an ecosystemic impact, it ripples out to those around us ...
Feb 04, 2025•26 min
Thomas Hübl and NYT bestselling author and the host of the podcast, Pulling the Thread, Elise Loehnen , explore the nature of shadow, evil, and collective trauma from a mystical and spiritual perspective. They discuss the impact of unprocessed pain and ancestral wounds, the obstacles we face as we work to integrate our individual and collective shadows, and the challenges (and benefits) of staying present in a world shaped by both light and darkness. Elise poses profound questions about the mora...
Jan 28, 2025•55 min
