Hello. This is Kyle Bondo, and this is Timothy Kim O'Brien. And welcome to PodRecht, where we navigate use of the rough waters of the podcast industry. That's right. It's 20 19 and it's all sorts of stuff for for podcasting that happen. 20 19. How do I know? Because Tim and I are psychics. We're constantly making predictions. Okay. We only have so many episodes out so far. So
have a lot of predictions. But we got some and we think these predictions are gonna turn out to be true in the podcast industry. This is how this kind of works. This is our our special 20 19 procrastination procrastinate now or is it prognoxitation? Pregative vacation. PUTification. Pregative. Pregative vacation. Pregative vacation. Pregative vacation. Pregative vacation. Pregative vacation. In fact, Just making these these predictions,
we're gonna keep track of them on our website. So if you go to pod rack dot com slash trends, we'll list every prediction we ever make in every episode we ever make from all the way through 20 19. And at the end of 20 19 or the beginning of 20 20, depending how which way we roll. Probably the end of 20 19, we're gonna go back and see which 1 of these came true. That's the goal. So we're gonna tell you today our top 10 what? Forecasts, trends, predictions?
Could go a lot of different ways. Yes to yes to all 3 of those, Kyle. And, you know, this is something that we started up way back in episode number 1. We didn't even have an episode 0. We had an episode number 1 you know, going in our way back machine, I predicted that Amazon will jump into the podcasting space in 20 19. And that's number 1. I mean, that was the first prediction out the gate. Was the Amazon jumping into the podcasting space?
And let's let's kind of like put our thinking caps on and think about what do we see? What what got signs we look for? If we want to if we think Amazon's gonna jump in. What do you think we'll see? Well, Kyle, we in that episode, we had a lot of gushing about the paywall with Amazon. They have the content delivery system already set up with Amazon Web Services. Amazon is not paying us a hundred dollars every time we mention their name. But they have the It's Will CashJack technology.
We will cash their check when it does come back to us. But now they actually have the content delivery system in order to make it happen. I mean, if you think about it, you know, your your phones, your Kindle books, everything like that has the Amazon app on it. You see the Amazon trucks all over the place. We just passed the holidays. Amazon is already everywhere. It is already in our culture and our vernacular. And it just makes sense. I mean, Amazon went after
you know, it started off with books. And now it's taken over whole foods. Whole Foods, now the sponsor of this podcast. But they have gone into everything. If you think about it, they went into books. They went into, you know, streaming music.
And, yeah, there's other players in streaming music, but and there's other, you know, places like Whole Foods where you can go to grocery stores. But they are really every time they go into some place, they're changing the game. As a matter of fact, they're setting up h q 2 here in Virginia.
And if you remember the whole Hollywood that took for months and months and months, they had the world on edge, they had politicians begging and pleading to get HQ2 in their city, why wouldn't why wouldn't Amazon go into podcasting?
Absolutely. And I think I think your your key indicator of that is already starting to ring true because moving in just to the trend number 2, which I think the 2 are linked The 2 of them are think because in in prediction number 2 was companies that invest in podcast and content creation will own the space in 20 19. Just recently, I watched homecoming. Homecoming with Julia Roberts, which was a podcast created, I believe, by Gimmelts.
Where you had these these actors acting out an audio parama And then suddenly podcasting becomes the vain for which content can be plucked out of the the podcasting space and made into an actual full length series, if you would, in Amazon's Prime video. Let me that think I think that becomes a key indicator that that they're in they're invested in the space because they're looking for content. And they're gonna go and find content. So they're looking for content to fill their other channels.
Well, at some point, Amazon always seems to not just in, you know, not just pull stuff from that space, but double down. I mean, why have other people provide stuff for you when you could do it yourself? That seems to be kind of the Amazon way if you think about it. So I really think that that 1 and 2 are combined, is that companies will start investing in they they're sort of investing in content,
and they'll start investing in content by pulling them up. Podcast space. In fact, just the other day, I saw yet another news article talking about yet another podcast that's gonna become a TV show. It's it's it's becoming it's becoming a lot more what's the word common? It I don't know if it's if it's just everyone's, you know, it's the trend of the day, but it
mean, do you think about that? Do you do you think that's a possibility that it's it's that that's why so that'll be a more podcast becoming content. It'll be Amazon's key indicator that they might be they might stumble in the space, or is it something else? Well, I kinda I'm gonna answer that question with a question. Now these podcasts that you're talking about that are being made into movies and TV shows and all that kind of ideas, what kind of podcast are they?
Well, they're Are they SciFi podcasts? Are they podcast about podcasts? They're definitely not podcast by podcasts. They're audio dramas. They're audio dramas. Yes. Now if we now that leads us right into trend prediction, prognication number 3. During the year of 20 19, there'll be a 10 time increase in podcasts, especially audio dramas, that become TV shows. That is
starting to happen. I you know, the the 10 times the amount might be a little bit difficult to to get to, but we're already seeing that these podcasts are going from audio to visual. And some of the, you know, you know, some of them, you know, have a YouTube aspect to them. I I know any really good podcast that has a website associated with it is gonna have some good imaging that just makes marketing sense.
Like, I'm gonna go say on audio. I'm gonna say that number 3, the audio drama thing has has an asterisk next to it. Okay. And the asterisk is true crime. And I think that there is a line that blurs between the sci fi and fictional podcast and the True Crime podcast. And they are definitely starting to become the the bigger the bigger draw, I think if the 1 thing that just came out with just what just a couple days ago was that gladiator which is the Aaron Hernandez story
about, you know, he's a convicted murderer that that was a what? It was a huge case just a couple years ago. The podcast on my Wandery is now gonna be a TV show. So these -- Okay. -- they're starting to use podcasting almost as the testing ground for whether or not people will listen to this content and then go and they'll invest in actually creating the show.
And and they can get a lot of content, a lot of cheap content from there because think about it what's 1 of the longest running TV shows out there. It's cops. People love seeing that. Cop's has been out for over 20 years, like 25, 30 years, it's been out.
And I was I was kinda shocked when I saw that too. I was like, wow, cops has either I'm really old or cops has been around for a long time. You have True Crime TV. It's already there. You have Hallmark channel. Now my wife loves the Hallmark channel. She loves the mysteries, the murder mysteries, and all that kind of jazz. They're kinda cheesy, but You know what? You've got all these podcasts that are easy and cheap to make because it's not totally mainstream yet.
And that's another prediction we'll get to later, which I just really lot people on. But it's cheap and easy to make. Why wouldn't you put it in that kind of a development if it fizzles, you haven't lost that amount of money. If it's is sick successful. Boom. You got a number 1 hit in a ton of appetizers. I I think you're I think you're honest with me there. I think these
these kind of this kind of market podcasting becomes a very I mean, depending what you do. I mean, if I go and grab a bunch of Hollywood actors, I'm just put them in a studio and voice acting over a podcast, that isn't cheap. But if I've got an advertiser that will swing the bill, then I think compared to full production movie where you'll have costumes and sets and, you know, a whole crew and on location and green screen and CGI and all that other stuff. Podcast is incredibly
low budget compared to that. And BBC Radio has proven time and time again that the audio drama format can be the cheap almost I wouldn't call it draft, but the prototype to a TV show. That you could then launch an entire TV series or movie off of. And now I think BBC America has been doing this for for a long, long time. I think we're just out as get what the the the other content producers, the Netflix, the Amazons, the Hulu's are starting to see hey, wait a minute. That show has an audience.
And now if I can just make a, you know, a video version of that and a visual version of that, I can capture that audience and then 10 exit. That's what I think the absolute. And that's my prediction for for number 3. That's what I thought the prediction was gonna And I think it'd be true. I know we time will tell, but that's mine. Well, we'll find out we'll find out in exactly 1 year from today. So we'll mark that down. Alright. In 350
some odd days from now, we will know. Was Kyle and Tim correct about these first 3? Was the first 1 Amazon jumping into the podcast space 20 19? I think that's a foregone conclusion. But we'll see. Maybe Amazon won't. I mean, Who knows? Mhmm. Number 2, the companies will invest in podcast and content,
and that will the ones that do invest The ones that actually put their money down into this space will own this space because I think there's a lot of opportunity here that's to go on untapped. And the companies that actually put some dollars into this to invest in this will capture this market. I mean, Spotify is a perfect example. The minute Spotify is worth putting money in this, dang the market share. It changed. So the numbers started changing. You know, Pandora, are they too late to the party? I don't think so. I think their I think their investment although a little too little little late on the on the ball might be might actually get them some market share too.
Hello, Google. Where are you? Where are you Google? We'll get to Google in a minute. And number 3, I think there's gonna be a 10 x increase. Now, Tim disagrees with the 10 x. We'll see. It's 1 of those kind of pass fail. If I hit 10 x I mean, really, how do you determine 10 x? Well, I'll I'll do it this way. If there are 10 successful series or movies made from podcasting over 20 19, I win. If there are 9, Tim wins. 9 or less. That's that's the I think that's the broader. What do you think?
And Kyle, what does Tim win? Tim wins a back massage and a trip to the spa. How's that? Fantastic. Like, I'm already there and But I'm not giving the back massage or let the spa lady do you do that? Good deal. Now Kyle, I'm gonna insert my my wild card here -- Good. -- we had talked about earlier. Okay. Let's do it. Here's my wildcard. So I'm seeing a lot of people with their list out there saying, okay, this is the year that podcast goes mainstream.
Tim, Mark, my words, is going to say it is not going mainstream in 20 19. It is still going to be developing it's still going to be growing, it's still going to be defining itself, but it's not going mainstream, and I'm gonna tell you why. Okay? The the reason why it's not gonna go mainstream is you have so many other things out there that are vying for eye space. That is vying for your attention. You've got the Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.
You got Pinterest. You have Reddit you have all these things, you know, text messaging. You have all these things that are grabbing your attention. And for something like podcasting to break through of all of that and become mainstream and, you know, actually get a seat at the table, I don't think it's gonna happen because, 1, our delivery system to the public is not easy enough yet. You and I, Kyle, think it's easy as pie, because we're in it every day.
You know, I I have a hundred and 30 podcasts that I listen to. You have, you know, if not that many, very close to a hundred podcasts that you listen to. You know, we're we we get our hands in it. We're not a newbie coming into it. We're old hat at it. A new becoming into it. I I I talk to people every day that have iPhones right in their hand there and I'm like, hey, podcast. They're like, yeah, what's that? They have the app right on their phone,
but they're not going after it because they've got 80 other apps on their phone. I like this prediction. I like this prediction only because you're talking about delivery, people who know what it is, or even how to do it. And then even the people the newbie is just getting into podcasting and people who actually could podcast themselves.
I think those 3 you're talking about the distractions grabbing all their attention. I think there is a lot to say that. So let me let me kind of preface this kind of bookend your prediction with with asking this question then. What would you see that would persuade you that it has gone mainstream versus what would you say, uh-huh, See, that's why it hasn't got mainstream. There's the indicator. What's your measurement for the for your well card?
I think the measurement that we can reasonably do is for to have a poll 75 percent of people out there know what a podcast is and listens to a podcast at least once a month. 75 percent of the population. That means it's mainstream. And that's a high bar. And you know what, Kyle? I want it to be a high bar. Okay. Because I think we have a lot of development that we can do. There's a lot of definition that we can do
before that happens. And there's a lot of education and there's a lot of innovation in technology to make it easy for the consumer to jump into it, not only to listen to it, but to actually go ahead and and do it. And I think a lot of our focus or a lot of the industry's focus is on making it easy to jump in to do a podcast.
But who cares if you don't know what a podcast is? I I agree with that. I think Sonya represents a great number to hit. So I I know there are several media people out there, several different organizations that do polling and tell you, you know, podcasting is so and so and so like that. That by the time we reach this prediction, we'll know if we're anywhere close to 75 percent. Or just, you know, would you say, listen to it once a month?
I like that once a month thing too because listen once a month is is kind of a big deal. Because you go back to the delivery, people know what it is, and the apps are on their phone, are they are they using it? So what's the the apps on their phone? Are they using it? And this is this is I like this 1. I like this 1 a lot. Mhmm.
So that's why I'm gonna go against a lot of the industry people and a lot of the marketers and all that kinda yeah. All that kinda jazz. And go, yeah, we're not going mainstream in 20 19, nor do I want us to. Because I think we got a long way to go still. Well, we got some growing to do. Yeah. Absolutely. To do. Okay. So I'm I'm gonna throw I'm gonna throw my wall card into here then. Are you ready?
Sweet. Second wild card. Second wild card. Here we go. I believe that the feeding frenzy has yet to start. And I this is what I mean by the feeding frenzy. Kind of going off of, you know, will Amazon jump into the space? And and and whether or not they're gonna go at podcasting, the trend I've seen among tech companies is when they want a functionality. They're looking for some, you know, a team of people that understand a space they go and they start buying little companies.
I have yet to see big companies start buying little companies. Particularly companies that are podcasting content. Now we saw iHeartRadio kind of do this to kind of solidify their podcasting space. But I don't think that's gonna that's gonna happen for 20 19. I think it's too early right now to see the the feeding frenzy start.
I'm actually gonna reserve this prediction for 20 20. I think 20 20 will be the year where you start to see a lot of these little companies get gobbled up by a couple bigger companies. And in some particular fields too, I think this has a lot to do with content creation because I think the content creation space will probably be the first feeding frenzy that takes place. That that might actually happen 20 19, but I'm talking technology. Which is players, directories and hosting.
Those 3 pieces of the industry, when you start to see the big companies gobble them up, that's when you start to understand that they are really turning a big eye towards podcasting as as a as an industry wide thing. So I think the feeding frenzy will not start in 20 19. My prediction is it will not start. You will not see a lot of sales of little companies.
You'll see might be some nibbles. Might be some nibbles, but I don't think they're ready to bite yet. I think they're still kind of feeling the ground to see what's going on. There's not gonna be any big burgers. There's not gonna be any any, like, you know, a Google buying a lipson or an Amazon buying a spreaker. I don't think that's gonna happen yet. I know it's on the horizon, but I think 20 19 will be the prelude to to the staging
that. That's my prediction. I think 20 19 is gonna be pretty quiet for the eating. The eating of tech will be pretty quiet for the I put in the podcast industry, not for everything else. The pocket history, it's gonna be pretty quiet. How do you think about that 1? I I I I think I can go along with that, Kyle, and and I think that leads
a little bit into into mine. I think once we see that feeding frenzy, once we see bigger companies, see the potential profits in podcasting and reaching out to an audience that is developing then we will have arrived. Then we can go mainstream. I think, yeah, 20 19 is, you know, still we're we're playing around with the technology, playing around with everything. 20 20 is when that feeding frenzy happens. Maybe 20 21 is when we go mainstream.
So they And that could be very well. I I think your prediction is the the the the forebearer of my of what people are predicting now is, you know, we're going mainstream. Once that happens, Gail, then give it another year and will be mainstream. Could be? Could be. I think -- Yeah. -- I think these are so. I think I think podcasts has been growing.
It's been growing a lot. I think there's a lot of different genres that have become very popular, that are growing, that are very popular right now. There's a couple of genres that are not so popular right now, but the following is fierce. And as these other lesser served genres grow, and the bigger genres that are fully, you know, lots of people in it become more mature that that I think will become the 1 of the the bellwethers to the content people getting eaten.
We're talking the gimlets and the and the the wonderries and etcetera. Hosting wise, I still think the hosting industry is ripe for disruption. That's just my 2 cents. I think there's a lot a lot to be said about and and Here okay. Okay. Another wild card. Another
wild card? It would find it. It was our last wild card. If I get, well, you know, it's 10, but maybe there's a bonus 1 here. Right? Okay. Here's my other wild card. I know if you saw this the other day, but lately there has been this like stream of podcast hosting companies out there. And they've all been talking about this special certification and you might have heard of this certification. It's the IAB.
And of course, the IAB is the interactive advertising bureau. And the interactive advertising bureau has a standard. And that standard for what to download so that advertisers have truth in advertising when it comes to podcasting is kind of the the the bar for measuring downloads and statistics when it comes to to podcast success. And a whole ton of podcasting hosts have announced that they have become IAB certified
or that they will become IAB certified. I think even I think Blueberry was the first 1 off the boat to say, we've done it. We have it. We've got our people trained in it. And it has a lot to do with not only IB certification, as far as guarantee
statistics and download accuracy, but there's a lot to do with the way digital media and digital advertising is done behind the scenes, customer service, I think. It's all it's like a it's almost like a Microsoft system certification or an Amazon, you know, cloud, architect But everyone under the sun now has to be AI IAB certified. So my prediction for 20 19, the little wildcard here, is that every podcasting host will be IAB certified that charges money.
Okay. There we go. That's that that that was where I was gonna get you on that because you know, that's gonna cost people money in order to measure that correctly because you got a bunch of 14 year old punk kids that you have nothing to do, but screw with stuff. And I can see, you know, somebody from the dark web before Chan or or whoever, figuring out a way to game the system because they're already doing it with Apple Podcasts
in gaming that system. I wonder how long it's gonna take before somebody games at IAB. Well, the the cool thing about about this certification is that it ain't cheap. So And you have to have you have to really have
a lot of a lot of your your people trained in it too. It's not like you can just have 1 person trained in it. You gotta have a whole bunch of other people trained it. It was, like, almost like a cadre of people trained it. Right? So you have to become a, like, a member of their little club there, and they have to do an exam. Mhmm. And that's, like, like, like, like, 500 bucks to to do that. And you have all this other kind of certification needs to recertified.
They have to they have to certify, you know, get the people get trained, You have to obey all the rules. You have to VC bail all the rules it takes. You have to have been in the industry for so many years. There's a lot of checks in the box. You have to get -- Mhmm. -- in order to to be certified this way. So it becomes an extra almost a cost of entry
into if you wanna, like, today, if you wanna start a podcasting hosting company. So Tim's podcast hosting. Right? And he you you wanna start your own podcasting company. You not only have to survive the technology and
be, you know, be secure and, you know, and have an interface and and have the software and all kinds of stuff on there. You not only have to get customers to pay you to stay in business because those don't dude, those the free ones don't stay in business unless they got some other weird business models. But now you have to be IAB approved. Now there's an extra, you know, to get into the club, you gotta be gonna have this level too because it's gonna become this to become expected.
And people won't know what the heck it means, but advertisers know what it means. And this is of course This goes back to ad insertion. This goes back to what's that called a not an ad insertion, but but CPM, you know, cost per thousands and m, of course, is the roman numeral for a thousand, which doesn't make any damn sense. But okay. Whatever. You know? And it's again, it's it's marketers. As as Gary, Visa is a little time. Marketers ruined everything. So No. A b. And now it's in there again.
Would that create a 2 tier system? So for the hobbyist, for those that are not trying to market their podcasts that really don't care about the IAB, you know, they're not selling their stuff to advertising slots. Are they gonna be on 1 tier where we don't have to worry about AIB certification versus the other tier were, yes, I I I am taking my business that makes me money, that makes my income, and I wanna put it with a host that is IAB certified. So I'm gonna pay a premium for that.
Because as a hosting company, I would pass it on to my customers in a heartbeat. I would do I would do a 2 tier system like that in a second. And you know, I'm copy writing that right now. So if anyone wants to do it, you're gonna have to come to Tim Brian's hosting company and and pin me a lot of money. But I I that would make sense to me. You know, if if I really
want I'm wanting to hit all the podcasters out there that I can. I do a 2 tier system. I'd say, hey, listen. Boom. Tier 1 business folks. IEB certified, you can put that on your podcast. And, you know, it's like a better business bureau thing, but it actually works. Versus, hey,
I'm just doing a podcast. Like, I'm doing a blog. I'm doing it from my friends and family and whoever bumps into it. There you go. And Bob's your uncle. I think the tutor the tutor assistant's already already in play. So it's already already happening, especially with those podcasts that get, you know, 10000 gallons or more. They're looking for some extra money off those guys because, you know, hosting starts to become a premium when you when you have that much bandwidth going through your system. Remember, like,
cloud systems don't charge you to put stuff into the cloud. They charge you when you want to take it out. So the more downloads you have, the more money costs the hosting company, which means the more money they're gonna need. So the more popular you get, they're already you're already gonna get bumped into the other level. I think IAB certification is just gonna be an expected standard that any advertiser will wanna see.
So the top tier, the premium tier, will have to have it. You won't have to be able to give a premium tier. Now the lower tiers I don't know. Maybe probably, you know, maybe you don't, maybe maybe you you put your interns in that lower tier. Which this goes to show you that what kind of customer service in the in the hosting world exists at the indie level broadcaster?
And you kinda have to ask yourself, if you're paying 7 dollars for hosting, do you expect to get a 24 7 guy on the phone, the minute you wanna call when you have a problem. Now, some hosts have that ability because they're, you know, they're not very big. So they have the the the people you call are usually the same people you call the premium levels. People call it the lower level. But when you start offering IAB certified people
and you only have, like, 5 people are certified. Those 5 people are only answering phone calls, the people who are paying the big bucks. They're not answering that. I don't wanna waste them. Yeah. And they, of course, and they're and they're assuring the advertiser that the numbers that they're seeing from this podcast
are real. And that's what advertisers really want. They want truth in advertising. They wanna know when you say you get 10000 downloads per episode, you actually get 10000 downloads per episode. That's what they wanna see. And they're using this standard as their guide to say, you've been trained to know how to tell me that truthfully.
And if you say you're certified, I imagine there's probably some sort of like you know, clause in there or something like, you know, warranty in there that if I say I have this much and it turns out I don't, Well, guess what? You're gonna see a lawyer. That's what that means. The IB's saying, it becomes it gets it gets sticky at that level when you have, you know, you say you're big and you're not. Mhmm.
And that's what that's the whole thing. So my my prediction of that, I think every podcasting host that charges money we'll have an IAB certification by the end of 20 19. It'll be the standard. It'll be the the coin of the realm. It'll just be another feature that you gotta have if you wanna get into the hosting world.
Because as they say, you know, what do what do all those companies say is You wanna be first in the door because if you're first in the door, you could slam it behind you to make sure no 1 follows you. And if you put so many roadblocks in the way, you will prevent anyone from following you. And this is the same GoDaddy and and Rack Rackspace, and Bluehost, and HostGator, and all that stuff, did the same thing with podcast host, but not podcast. It was a web hosting.
Mhmm. Podcast publishing is no different. It has the same kind of animals that exist in that world. Not to say they're all bad or all good, I'm just saying in general, there is a lot to be said for a podcast host that doesn't want more competition. So this is a way of making the competition have to stretch a little bit further in order to, you know, meet whatever their customers think is, you know, satisfactory level of expectation.
There's a welcome. So so Kyle, moving from the business side of it, let's go to Let's go a little controversial. You know me? I like controversy. Oh, I like controversy too. Okay. Hit me with controversy which guy. Alright. So in 20 19, we're saying that the topic of proper podcast length is still gonna be hotly debated. Now now now Kyle, what's the proper length for a podcast? You're wrong. See, I didn't say you wrong.
Exactly. And that's why you're wrong because you didn't say anything because there is a properly Is the proper length? The proper length is that there is no answer. So you're right and wrong at the same time. It's a controversy we even have amongst ourselves. I mean, it it really depends on you're gonna have the old timers that go, oh, it's it's gonna be, you know, we we have research that says it has to be under 30 minutes.
It's gotta be the time that the person gets in the car till they hit work. Well, folks, it depends on where you live. I live in Northern Virginia. You know, a a a 10 mile trip could be 5 hours. And I'm sorry. I'm not listening. I love the the history podcast, the 3 hour history podcast. It's a great podcast. But I'm not listening to him for 3 hours. Okay. I'm not gonna do it. Now I'll listen to everything that's alive. They're, you know, low 20, 30 minute daily whoppers.
They're funny, they're great, and they're insightful and blah, blah, blah. But I'm not listening to somebody for 3 hours on a commute, which is very true. And what's what's the the hall of fame award winning podcaster Dave Jackson would say, not too long, only too boring. Which I I think he took from someone else too. But doesn't matter. I'm gonna quote mister Jackson.
And I think that's the the the controversy is and what we say in here is, that it will not go away, that this controversy will continue. There'll still be pundits and, you know, industry insiders that will say, you know, they'll they'll start producing medium dot com articles and, you know,
HuffPO articles and you name it. And maybe even go on talk shows and stuff and talk about the proper length of a podcast is and quote a number and say they're right and maybe even some new books will come out this say this stuff and the quoted number and say, right, based on some arbitrary measurement. But the reality is is that this ain't going away anytime soon. This argument is I think I think this will last as long as podcasting exists.
I think it's 1 of those, like, you know, in, you know, internal fire conversations where if if you want to it's almost like, you know, curve a card. Star Wars Star Trek. It's 1 of those kind of things where there is no right answer, but everyone's got an opinion. And that's what keeps it going, and that's what gives us evergreen contact with Kyle. Exactly. Who determines what is too boring?
Oh, well. I mean, think about it. Who determines that? And if you say audience, I would disagree with you because then again, you have you you know, I yeah. I do an arts podcast. Okay? You know, you you do a racing podcast. Alright? You do a a outdoor races. You know,
I like I like okay. Full transparency. I list I listen to your podcast. I like it. Not necessarily for the right stuff. I like the philosophy behind it. That's why I like your podcast. If you didn't have that philosophy, I would be bored with it, and I wouldn't listen to it. Alright. Just like with my art stuff, I'm a little bit quirky. I I throw in some, you know, some easter eggs and stuff like that. Some people like that.
But some people like Tim, you go on for hours and hours, talking about art, and I can't draw a stick figure. Well, I think it's, like, with your podcast too. It's it's sometimes it's Coddy. Sometimes it's your podcast is hilarious. It's like you can talk about art, but it's the it's the it's the interaction. It's the chemistry you have between your interview and and the guest. And But I I do think the audience makes the decision on what's too boring
because it's 1 of those kind of things. If you don't like it, you know, you don't have to listen to it. There's an unsubscribe button right there. You don't have to hit play. This is not not forcing you to listen to my podcast.
You have every right to listen or not listen. If it's not for you, it's not for you. And I think that's why this podcasting link thing is still an issue because some people think that there are certain podcasts you need to listen to. Oh, when you haven't listened to s town? Oh, you haven't listened to cereal? Oh, what's wrong with you? Well, I'll tell you what's wrong with me. Not for me. I mean, some people like that Trim Crime stuff. Me, you know, I can listen for so long and then I start having like really dreams.
I can't let's do it anymore. I gotta, like, I gotta take a break. Well and I think we should let the audience know too that PodREX we are different from all other podcasts. We do not have an unsubscribe button. So once you do subscribe to us, that you you gotta take that phone and, like, throw it in a fire or something like that. You are not unsubscribing from this podcast. Talk to Gong. Talk to his show. You are now forever, listener. You were locked in, and and we appreciate that.
Yeah. Exactly. But I think that's I think that's the controversy. And it kinda goes into we kind of like it kinda morphs into the next trend The next the next prediction, of course, is we're gonna see a lot more de platforming
on certain kind of of of podcast in 20 19. We're gonna start seeing that, you know, okay, it's not for everybody. You can subscribe any time, but there's gonna be some host and some providers and some platforms that that don't even want you to have the opportunity to give anybody the chance to unsubscriber to listen to you. They're gonna cancel you right off the bat. And that's what we think is gonna happen in 20 19, is that's gonna be a lot more de platforming of in particular,
podcast. And unfortunately, comedy. What is going on in the comedy world? Where comedians are just like they are the the the devil themselves where you can't make fun of anybody. Everyone's gaking everything seriously. Everyone's super upset
about being made fun of, and it's being labeled hate speech and all that kind of crazy stuff. Poor comedians. I mean, to be a comedian in his day and age. I mean, you're really kind of a you're almost like it's almost like the Sam Kennison days of the shock shock type comedians where they were like, oh, you were the devil. Well, that era has arrived again. It's a whole new generation of comedians that are coming up that are really finding the audience
to be kind of weird when it comes to this. So I think de platforming comedy and, of course, political. You just political. Very polarized.
This country is very polarized politically. Which way every way you go? We don't care which way the way you go. But we we know that the subscribe or not subscribe option is gonna be taken from you because the The platform itself is gonna make that decision based upon some arbitrary rule they have and some guys living in Cupertino to make that decision for you. And and you know what, Kyle, that I think that was 1 of our best episodes,
not the tutor on horn, but I'm on a tutor on horn. When we were talking about that with, you know, folks taking over podcasting and and what, you know, the things that were happening with certain podcasts getting knocked off their platforms. You know, it it goes back to that whole first amendment thing, you know, you have the right to say whatever you wanna say. You just don't have the right to demand to have a platform
for it. You're you're not necessarily gonna get the town square. You can, you know, scream fire in your own house, but you won't necessarily get that platform in the outside world, which, whether it be right or wrong, it's a business decision, I think. Absolutely. I think there'll be more of it. I mean, that I think that is the prediction. There's gonna be a lot more of it and a lot more it's almost like the podcast linked debate. Everyone's gonna get upset. You can't please everybody.
I think Abraham Lincoln did say you can only please 50 percent of people on the Internet, 50 percent of the time. That was Al Gore. That wasn't anagram I'm pretty sure that was Al Gore. In his in his second and Iraural speech. Right? Yep. He said that in the second inaugural speech. It's his secretary's last name was Lincoln, and Lincoln had had a secretary that was named Gore. That's right. And that was from his base on the moon.
Yeah. Yeah. That yeah. Lincoln's based on the moon. Yeah. I read it in the national choir, so it has to be true. But yes. Yeah. So we have we have everyone complaining about the length too short, too long, it's too boring. You have everyone complaining about the content, goes away, doesn't go away, first amendment, business decision. So let's get into something a little more a little more enjoyable. And that is, of course, the little kitties living in classroom.
Because they're about to go back to school because Christmas breaks over and the winter holiday, as they call it, is about to come to an end. There's a prediction there about education. And since you're the educator of the 2 of us, technically. You are the the 1 with the the degree. Right? The reseat? You have the reseat. Tell us about this prediction. And I am still paying on it for a long time. Okay. So brother.
So I I you know, we're gonna see an explosion of education based podcasts and resources that are designed for the classroom in 20 19. Now Kyle and I went to Matt Con this year and ran into a a a teacher cast and it's a wonderful outlet. It's a wonderful way for educators to learn how to use podcasting in the classroom now myself. I've got a master's in education, theater education, so I know how to teach or how to act. But back in my day, back in 4003, we were using Blackboard
to well, my professors didn't wanna use Blackboard, and I said, hey. Why don't we use in Blackboard? Because, you know, everyone's kinda got a different schedule. Let's be more customer focused. Let's treat our students like customers. They're coming to us for knowledge. We need to impart that to them in any way, shape, or form.
And in 2000 to 2003, they were really resistant to it. Now we're seeing the thing of they're trying to get on the bandwagon of it and to be able to use those podcasts. And we're seeing folks designing education systems on using podcasts in the classroom, which I as an educator, it's a wonderful thing. I can reach out to my students in Bangladesh. I can reach out to them in Germany. I can reach out to them. In multiple formats
when they're ready to listen to it. Because, you know, your usual college classroom time is from 8 to 5, you know, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, or Tuesday, Thursday, you got classes.
When not everyone runs on that schedule myself, I'm I used to be a night owl. I I got kids now, so I don't sleep at all. But I used to be a night owl, and I did my study. And if I could have taken classes at 8 o'clock, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock at night, that would have been great, but most of my professors were as old as I am now, and they were in bed by 10 o'clock. And they didn't wanna do that.
But, you know, if if I I think the educational world is taking more of a customer service approach because you have the for profit institutions that have been using this. These online schools have been using this format, and they're making money handover fist, so you're not for profits, you're state schools. Your private universities and colleges, they need to catch up with the 4 profit colleges. And podcasting is a way for them to do it in a very quick and cheap manner.
So we're gonna see an explosion. The prediction is an explosion. What would you What would you rate as an explosion? What do you think an explosion metric would look like to see whether or not we got this 1 right? I knew you're gonna ask me that, and math was never my strong subjects there, Kyle. You have a mysterious guy. We don't do any members. No. It was anything. I
I think what you're gonna I I think for it to be an explosion. I think you're going to see multiple companies or multiple universities set up and create specific content for it. Now you you have MIT And you have other schools with their open course where setting up these online courses, you have Coursera, grabbing it from a lot of permanent universities, putting classes on the Internet for, you know, for students to view for free or for a small fee to get a certification from their school.
I think an explosion for that would be all your major universities, all your, you know, top tier, your your Ivy leagues, all of them participating in it, as well as your top tier of your public universities participating in that. That would be the explosion, the majority of them. So over 50 percent of them. So would you say then let's let's let's let's rank explosions in like a blast radius, we can we can definitely measure. I'm gonna say explosion
George Mason University, which is my Almond Water -- Mhmm. -- Virginia Commonwealth University, which is your Almond Water. And then we'll cut the difference in the middle with University of Mary Washington. Which is right down the street from us, we'll say we'll say if those 3
tip their toe or into kind of in kind of podcasting, we'll say, hey, there's There's a key indicator. Okay? And then maybe Northern Virginia Community College and Germanic Community College if they start going down that road. I would say that's an explosion. You get those 5 -- Mhmm. -- into podcasting. Not radio. Podcasting. Then I think we I think we we might be half something there. And we and because we're connected to those those institutions, I think that will help us be our barometer.
And then, of course, we'll be, you know, we'll be monitoring the the the inner tubes for all of the other places that go. And I know just like listening to to pod news dot net, you know, on a bunch of dude.
Pod news dot net, which of course is my my favorite source for podcasting news definitely has already, even just in 20 18, talked about some of these these institutions starting to to get involved, especially with the broadcasting communications degrees, sort of talk into people using podcasting as a medium for you know, Democratic or investigative journalism, Democratic media, getting information out of countries,
things like that or into countries, definitely the exchange of ideas, those kind of things. So I think that's pretty good. And that kind of leads us into really the the our final official podcast prediction -- Mhmm. -- which is that the teaching educators how to podcast will lead the way to the first creation of a new kind of university system where I think this is your this is your kind of keynote of that and And although the free speech 1 was a great podcast,
I really think the 1 we did on teachers education was probably if that wasn't the best. It definitely was our second best. You know? Because we have so many episodes out there right now. We will. We do. Twain IT. We predict have more episodes in 20 19. That 1 okay. There we go. There's another wild card. We predict there'll be more pod wrecked episodes in 20 19. Mhmm. But, no, you talked about the the the new kind of university system. Mhmm.
So give a give a little talk about that that prediction. Well, I I I think we have to have a new university type system mainly because our our economy has changed and you know, we've been talking about our changing the company for the past 10 or 15 years. Now part of my job yes. I I've got my degree in education, but my job is actually in employment services. What we've noticed in employment services is that we've gone from a manufacturing economy
and we've gotten so good at manufacturing. We don't need that many people to manufacture. We are now a service economy. And I think we're going to go past that service economy and go into more of an entrepreneurial economy, whereas service economy is, you know, we're we're servicing we're we're not making the robots. We're servicing the robots. Were the waiters, the waitresses, were the Ubers, and were the lifts, and
and that kind of stuff. We're gonna be moving into an entrepreneur where everyone is a marketer. Everyone is trying to solve an issue that you have with your company. So it's gonna be more entrepreneurs, more independent contractor that's gonna happen there. We're going to need to train those people in how to think in those terms,
not whereas you're gonna stay at a company for, you know, 30 years and retire or 40 years and retire. You're gonna go from company to company to company to company to company. And right now, we're seeing that back in our day, Kyle. Okay. When we graduated high school, back in the stone ages when the the dinosaurs around, you would be expected to change companies 3 to 5 times in your lifetime. That was
in high school, that's what it was. 3 to 5 times in your left time, you'll change companies. Okay? K. When we graduated when we got out of the military and graduated college 11 times, which that wasn't that big or yeah. That wasn't a long time. Between us, you know, graduate and college and getting out of getting out of military and graduate and college. Now the kids that are out there today are kids. Are going to have at least 15, if not 20
career changes. Different companies that they're gonna be working for. If they're not starting up their own company right now, solving other people's issues. And that's what we need to train for, and that's what the podcasting's gonna be able to do. You're not gonna be sitting in a brick and mortar anymore. You're going to be getting the education, the information that you need.
You're not gonna have to memorize things anymore. You're gonna get the education that you need to be able to solve other people's issues. And that's how you're gonna be useful in the economy that's coming up ahead for us. And that's the kind of university that we're gonna need to build it's not going to be everyone takes English 1 on 1, everyone takes biology, you know, and and slices open frogs. Who cares about sliced and opened frogs when you're doing project management for a
for an Intel company? That's working on imaging systems for the government. That's I mean, I think that's really that prediction I'm I'm a little wary of that prediction only because I don't think it's I don't think the the podcasting is mature enough yet to formulate an education system around that type of learning. Mhmm. But you see the pieces of it. All the pieces are there. It just takes someone to go, hey, what if I connect these things together into something cohesive?
To make a degree program that would resonate or even a certificate program that would resonate beyond the whole, you know, you know, learn how to do Instagram feed or learn how to do Facebook ads. You know, now I'm talking about those kind of courses. I'm talking like, learn how to do anatomy and physiology or learn how to do biochemical engineering from a podcast. I'm talking to like stem. Let's go let's just say stem. Let's make it really simple.
I've yet to see stem go hardcore podcasting to make a certificate or a degree program out of it. Not to say the pieces aren't there. Because universities like Stanford and Yale and even Harvard
have already done this with YouTube. They've already put some of you know, freshman classes out there, some of their some of their stuff, their introductory courses are out there. You could almost get if you have enough time to spend, you could almost if you spend, you know, you spend your time on YouTube, you can always get a degree just about any subject on YouTube. DIY. Right? But podcasting has not you haven't seen someone go down the rabbit hole on that yet.
20 19 Will that be the year it happens? I think that's a year where it's gonna get organized to happen. And probably 20 20, 20 21, that's when it when you're gonna get your first school. But I I think you're gonna see the organizations and the building blocks get solidified for it and tested And then 20 20 is when 20 20 20 20 21 is when you see your first school. And, yes, I'm using air quotes.
And I'm sure all of you that are listening to this can see my air quotes. It's pod direct official air quotes. Yes. We we recognize those. But and we're the only podcast that actually has them. So when you listen to them, we are doing subliminal suggestions. So that way, you see them happening.
Along with the we don't have an unsubscribe button. But in all seriousness, it's gonna it it's going to this new test this new type of university is going to come about, like, you know, driverless cars, horseless carriages, you know, and having the world's vast knowledge in your hand, it has happened. It has happened quickly. And I think we're looking 20 20, 20 21 where that phase that shift is gonna happen once 1 more time.
Okay. And I think the I think the parameter for that was gonna be really simple. The first school it pops up? Boom. Boom. Done. Prediction. Prediction. Achieved. Right? That will be the Timothy Kimo Bryan University of of a higher enlightenment. I think I think, brother, you need to to do some serious thinking about that because I've looked at every prediction website news article that is out there on podcasting, ain't nobody talking about this topic. Nobody. Pod Rec is the only
only show talking about education and teachers and how podcasting impacts them. And their world. No 1 else is talking about that. So I just wanna I I think that's a a pretty cool scoop for us. To say that's a that that could become a reality. Mhmm. So now I I'm right there with the cow. So now it's a speed round. Hey, Ray for the speed round?
Oh, I've been ready for this for, like, 20 hours. I had this I had this kind of, like, planned out. I've been been, like, I'm gonna do speed round. So, Tim, you were gonna do the speed round. So this is a this is a simple yes or no. This is really easy. Alright? The speed round. I have 5 5 little predictions. I've I've kind of combed together looking at other prediction websites that some of the stuff they talked about. So let's let's see let's see where where you stand on on the speed round.
Are you ready? Alright. Let me get Let me get my taro cards and my magic cards out. I'm gonna shuffle them together really quickly. Got it. Okay. Alright. And I'm laying up my taro cards. And go. Alright. Cool. Prediction number 1. Short form podcasts. Yes or no. Yes. Absolutely. I subscribe to a number of short form podcasts, and it's perfect for when I'm in the show or when I get up in the morning. And I just need something, boom, boom, boom, really quick. Short form podcast is
great for the your your speakers. And I'm taking too much time on this. So give me the next question. That's okay. I'm I'm a yes on that 1 too. I think the lady in the tube is really kinda set the stage for this. I think it's gonna there's gonna be a lot more of these going on. Okay. Question number 2. News goes all in on podcasting. Already happened. Yes. You've got NPR that has how many different programs on it. You have radiotopia that actually has I I don't wanna call it fake news, but it's
it's fun news. It's making it it's news satire. You know, it's Saturday nightlife kind of stuff. So yet news is Not only a yes, but yes, it's already happened, Kyle. Do you see that? So a follow-up to that 1. CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox, CNN, All of them -- They have to do it in their brains out. -- they don't have a choice. They have to do it. We we've got And it's and here and here's when it's gonna be done, Kyle. It's gonna be done in 20 19 for the primaries
for the 20 20 election. Oh, okay. Yes. I'm a okay. Give me a second here. I gotta I gotta write that with 4 of the primaries. Oh, that's a oh, wow. No 1 ate. No one's talking about that either. Well, you're your first folks. Alright. Question 3. Apple starts to care about podcasting again. No. And alright. The reason why I say that Kyle,
the reason why I say that no, they're not gonna care about it is because they are comfortable where they are at. They have the lion's share. They they are as long as they stay over 50, 60 percent of the directory, you know, and people going to them. And here and here's the thing. We perpetuate that. You know,
whenever you go to a a a podcast class, they always say, okay, you gotta make sure you get an iTunes We know they're they're a hundred pound gorilla, but you gotta get in iTunes and then you can go into the get these other ones. We are perpetuating that. Very true. Somebody has to raise the flag and go, you know what? Screw Apple. I'm going my own way. And if I'm not in Apple iTunes, So be it. I'll be in the other directories. And the other directories need to get a set of
How do I say it skis? Correct? Skis. Yes. They need to be safe. They need to get a pair. Be safe on the slope. And They did they need to get some gumption. There we go. Gumption is good word. They need to get some gumption. And say, you know what Apple. We're we're not gonna pull off your directory. We have our own directory, and we're gonna push it out to our subscribers that way. Okay. And I I I think I I agree with you on this 1. I think Apple has
doesn't have any interest in this yet. There's still focus on music and video and other things. I think when Apple finally turns their attention back to this, I think it's gonna be too late. I think they're they're not they're not paying attention, and this is gonna this is gonna buy them. I think there's some disruption get ready to happen to the directory world. Spotify has already started to show this. Alright. Question number 4. Google starts to care about podcasting in the first place.
You know, and Google's been out there for how long with with podcasting, you know, you get to Google Play and I I I think they wanna care about it. They just they don't know how to do it. So is that is that a yes for 20 19? You think that's a yes for 20 19? You think they're gonna finally figure it out? I mean, it's Google after all. They put a bunch of bunch of text in a room. They're gonna figure it out. Mhmm.
I think they they do care about it. I don't think they're gonna figure it out in 20 19. Oh, that's a no. Okay. Yeah. That's a no. I think I think this is so. I think a little subbar to this 1 to Google. I think Google finally figures out audio indexing in 20 19. I think that's that's my prediction. I think audio indexing become a thing into an identity. It will be rough and raw and ugly. But then, again, everything
Google does initially is like that, and then they learn from it. And make it better and they make it better in Nexa, you know, audio indexing is just another search field on the, you know, inside the Google. So Well, now, wouldn't it be cool as if Google and Amazon teamed up together? Well, see, I don't think Good. Well, is there is there too much blood in the water for that? I don't know about that yet.
We'll see. We'll see. Because you remember Google came out of AdWords once upon a time. Amazon basically grew off of Google AdWords. Google grew Amazon. And now Amazon's become its own monster. So -- Yeah. -- let's be careful what you wish for. Alright. And the final question. The final question of this speed round is will there be more pod wrecked episodes in 20 19?
Okay, Kyle. I am going through the terror cards here. Death card has popped up twice, which means that, yes, there will be more pod rack episodes. That'll be coming out to you in 20 19 because Kyle and I have dedicated ourselves to making sure that you have our our take on the industry news that's gonna help you go through all the shipwrecks that are out there of podcasts. And have a successful
podcast for yourself. Yeah. Because that was a curve ball. That 1 was a pretty easy 1. The actual question is, So here we go. Will PodRact hit episode 50 in 20 19. Only if only if there's 52 weeks in 20 19. Oh, it turns out there is. What a guess? What a speed round? So short form podcast, Tim and I are definitely a yes. News goes all in. Tim I definitely are yes. Plus we threw in a little added for the primaries. It's certainly gonna happen. We said Apple starts to care about podcasting.
Tim and I both don't think so. We think it's a it's a no start or non starter for Apple right now for 20 19. We think Google starts to care about podcast in 20 19. No. Not really, but we we will see some audio indexing become a thing. And finally, we'll pod direct reach episode 50 in 20 19. Well, we'd certainly like to. And the prediction is, we will.
There you go. Mhmm. There you go. That is our predictions for 20 19. I think that's a pretty good pretty good bag. In fact, I think we have almost 20 now that we've come up with, at least 8 I got 18 or 19 here. I'll probably I could probably squeeze 20 out of this when I break 2 and a 1. Or 1 and a 2. So I think I think we're doing pretty good. That is our top 20 predictions for 20 19. I I like it. I think we
we're really off to a good start for what we think this year's gonna be. Any any final words you have about how you think the 20 19 is gonna turn out for for podcasting or for podcasting? Well, Kyle, I think that in 20 19 is gonna be especially good for us because we're gonna have our listeners out there and you that are listening out there are going to reach out and throw in your 2 cents.
And and Kyle, how you know, they can reach out to us at pod direct at g mail dot com, and they could shoot us an email and let us know what they think about, what we're saying here. That is gonna be the best way for Patrick to keep on doing what we're doing is for y'all to reach out to us let us know how we're doing. Let us know where we're right. Let us know what is gonna help you have a better podcast and a better experience. We're both experienced podcasters. We've gone
and and seen the the oceans out there. And we've we've seen the the shipwrecks and we're punch punching on through those shipwrecks, and we wanna bring you along with us. And the best way to do that is for you to reach out to us. That way, we can throw you a lifeline and tug you through.
These are Navy terms. I'm an Air Force guy. How you doing a great job? Say a great job. No. No. You're doing a fantastic job because, you know, a pod wreck, as we like to say, is that show that sits at the top of the charts that is blocking you from being a star. It's the show that died years ago. It's that it's that Flotsam and Jetsom of wrecked PodFaded Pod Pause
just all the garbage that sits around in a category that when you look at podcasting for the first time and we're talking about iTunes, you know, the Apple Podcast application. When you look there and you see those categories of all these shows and you go and find out that the last time 1 of the shows ever had a podcast episode was 2009 or or 2011. You're like, it's 20 18, and these guys are still number 3, number 10. How heck am I gonna rise in the charts? Well, the way you do that
is the same way you do anything else. And I like I like the ultra marathon or the ultra run. I'm a trail run guy like dirt. So you can, you know, you can run a marathon going to. But I'm in the ultra running business where you do 50 to a hundred miles cross country up and down mountains, cover streams, let's say 24 hours to finish these kind of races, it's insane. Why is that a good metaphor? Because you wanna quit that kind of race at least 50 times.
Every mile, you're like, you know what? I'm that's it. That was okay. I'll do 1 more mile. And you do 1 more mile, you're like, oh, okay, 1 more mile that I'm done. And eventually, you find out that the finish line is right there. That's the kind of thing that podcasting is. Podcasting is this, I'm gonna quit every single day. Well, let me do 1 more episode. Let me Let me try 1 more thing. Let me try a little more content. Until all of sudden, you discover
you have an audience, and it it kinda creeps up on you. 1 listen here. 2 listens there. Next, you know, you got 80 listens. Next, you know, you got a couple hundred.
And now you have people who actually care what you have to say. They're waiting for you have to say, and as Seth Goad and says all the time, they're gonna miss you when you're gone. Those are the kind of people who miss you again. So that's that's what PodREX is about. It's kinda navigating the the garbage that you that you experience as a as a podcaster,
how do you get around all that stuff? What does it mean? What is the industry doing that makes me wanna care about it? And that's the kind of thing. Tim and I provide you that insight of doing this for a couple years. We can look at some of this news and go, this is what this means. This is the trends we see And as you just heard from 20 predictions, I expect in about 360 some odd days, you know, next Christmas, which if, you know, as you get older, time just seems to
go faster and faster. Einstein said time is relative, But I like I like his corollary to that. Time is relative depending on which side of the bathroom door you're on. So I think time is like that is Christmas will be here in 5 minutes. We'll be doing this podcast episode. This actually a 20 19 prediction show recap might actually be episode 50.
It might actually be Nice. Hope it's not. I hope it's like like, if, so, 56 or 60 or something, we can hope. You know? But, you know, Tim and I are dedicated to to putting this out weekly is our goal. We we took a little break over Christmas, but
weekly is our goal. And so far so good, I think I think we're on a pretty good track, and we're gonna we're gonna go through. You know, family comes first. So if family stuff pops up or things with them, we will we're gonna take a break every now and then. But I think you're gonna get a lot of good content and a lot of good perceptions, points of view, just opinions about the pocket industry from Tim and I, that you're not gonna get too many other places.
I think we kind of we kind of boil it down to the bare metal. We're a we're a straight no chaser kind of guys. And we love that you have joined us. I mean, if you're listening to this part of the podcast, I mean, this is the end. You made it all the way to the end. You are a true fan. We appreciate you being here. We love having you here. And we hope that every episode gives you something where you go, I didn't know that or oh, that's a really cool idea, or
I'm really glad I heard that because I almost made a decision that would have been detrimental to my show or my motivation to do the show. Mhmm. And I know as as a podcast for myself, I struggle with with podcasting all the time. All the time I struggle with this. I love podcasting, but I struggle with it too. It's this weird thing. It's just like that ultra run. The first 10 miles are awesome. Mile 11, holy smokes.
It's like the bear jumps out of the woods and just jumps on your back and it's it's it's hell on earth after that moment. And it really is hard to to even contemplate or you know conceptualize getting to episode 50. And that's 1 of our predictions. Pod wreck will reach episode 50 by 20 19. I I I know that's possible. I know we can get there. Man, that seems like a long ways away. But I think I think what this takes is 1 episode every week continually moving forward,
doing a little here, a little there, laying a brick. Here we go. And I think I think you can learn a lot from that too. I mean, we're not going to mint words here. We struggle with this too. We we are we are humans. You know, we got families, we got things to do, we got, you know, we got furloughs to endure. So but we love having you here. We appreciate you being here. We really thank you for being a listener.
You know, you've been listening to PodRecht, where we explore the ebb and flow of the podcast industry to help navigate the wasteland of failure to SAFER harbors. And you know what, Kyle, for listeners out there. Yeah. If you have an idea for the show, we'd like to reach out to us directly. Feel free to email us at podrick at gmail dot com. And most importantly, listen to the past episodes that we have out there for you. That's at pod rack dot com. We appreciate
what you've done listening to us in 20 18, and we look forward to a wonderful 20 19 with you. Reach out Have a conversation with us. We'd love to have your ideas on the show. Have a wonderful 20 19 and keep on podcasting. 1 2. 1 2. Okay. Now you talk. So there I was wearing nothing but a woman see through dress in a pair of pink fuzzy bunny slippers when I said to myself. What am I doing in this bowling alley?
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