This is Kyle Bondo, and this is Timothy Kimo Bryant, and you're listening to PodRack, the podcast that helps you navigate the podcast industry. And today, we're gonna talk about the 8 ways to know your podcast, love. Thank you for listening to PodRacks, and that's right. It's podcast lover day.
8 ways in fact to know your podcast lover we're gonna talk about a little bit of the pros and cons of the podcasting world, where you get to find out exactly what it is, to know you've arrived, to know you've become a podcaster. How do you know if you're a podcaster? This is kind of the the ins and outs of the podcaster love language, and we're gonna get into the 8 ways to know your podcast lover by talking first about
the very important thing that Tim loves to talk about the most. In fact, Tim will not stop talking about this. He talks about it so much. Actually, I I think he doesn't talk about this so much because Well, let's just let's just put it this way. Half of the times he's talked about it didn't make it to the audio. No. That's right. He didn't hit the record button.
So, Tim, tell us about your all the great interviews and great talks you've given that have never seen a lot of day. Because you forgot to hit that little tiny button. What what what how do you feel about that? Why does that make you feel? This is the Love show. Tell us about the feeling you have when you realize that you're 30 minutes into an interview and the button is still flashing because you didn't hit play or record. Does that make you feel?
Wait. That's right. He didn't turn his record button on. You can't hear him right now. He's just making gestures and smiles. Dem, record. Oh, hi, Kylie. Is your microphone? Oh, man. The power 2 devices. What about the bane of a podcaster right there? This is number 1. The first interview you forgot to hit rerecord button. The Tim get walk us through the the kind of the What what is the feelings that a podcaster has to go through? What are the phases of the not hitting record?
Well, the first phase of not hitting record is denial because you you refuse to feel that you're that dupid that you would not hit the record button when you have the interview
e and the interview earn. You've done all your prep work. You've got all your questions written out. You've got the candle lights going just perfect. You got the coffee brew just the way your interviewee likes it. You've got some scones, you've got a whole nice spread right there for it. The atmosphere, the ambiance, is perfect. And you're talking, and they're explaining to you the mysteries of the universe.
And there's no way in heck you didn't hit that record button. As a matter of fact, Kyle, that actually did happen to me. I was running a test cam DR05, and we'll talk more about you know you're a podcaster because if you're a podcaster, you know what I just talked about. But that's in their jargon section later on. But So I was had a wonderful recording session going on. And with that particular recorder, you have to hit the record button not once.
But twice. Now, see, I'm 1 of those type of guys that I don't need to read the instruction manual because I'm that smart. Yeah. No. Leave the instruction, man. He was kids, please. I love a girl. Painful and not hit that button. It it's you gotta hit well, on that On that particular device, you have to hit it twice. Now I have a zoom h 5, which is another recorder.
And that 1, I only got hit record 1 time. It's great for idiots like me. I just want to hit record 1 time. I don't need to arm it. I know when I wanna record. I'm not gonna hit record accident link. Or if I do, guess what? I can clean it up in post. But, yeah, my 1 of my great interviews, and it was a 3 hour interview, Kyle. 3 hours. Ouch. And luckily so the first phase is denial. The second phase is being humble.
I did contact my interviewee And and you know him as well as I do, Mike Porter over at Little Fish Comics. I contacted him, thank god, he's Canadian because he forgave me. And he actually took the blame for it. He said, no. No. No. That's my fault entirely. And he took the blame for it, and we went ahead and set up another session that he fell asleep through. And then the third and final session, we actually had in his comic books shop while he was working,
and we went ahead and did it. But I had to come back to him, you know, with my tail between my legs, and I said, hey, Mike, that 3 hours we lost. And in the interview that he and I did, he mentioned that there's sections that would have been better if I would have recorded
And I left that in the interview because, yes, yes, I I needed to pay peanuts to the podcasting gods. There is. So there is the the denial, there is the humble, there is the acceptance, and then there's the penance afterwards because that podcast will be with us for eternity, and I will be forever reminded to, a, read the instruction manual on your equipment because you are not that smart. And b, Follow the instructions of the instruction manual and see hit record twice on ADR05
task cam. Recorder. Well, there you go. And because, you know, I'm from Seattle, so I totally approve that Canadian rip because, you know, Canada, America's hat, Yes. That's right. Don't forget Canada. Canada, a hundred bucks, by the way, for even mentioning you in this podcast. You owe us some money. Yeah. And we want a hundred American Yeah. Look at that.
Strange Canadian stuff. No. We want the real stuff, you know. We know you got it. But, yeah, think about the way we do this show. Is we are doing this through Squadcast and Squadcast FM who were big fans of. We we use them as are remote thing because Tim and I have a hard time being in the same room at the same time. So we are always using the Internet and the tools the Internet to to help us record when we need to record. So we're using the recording capabilities off squad cast, but I also have Adobe audition open on my laptop, which is also recording So I've got 2 different recordings going on. So if I lose 1, I have the other. Because in the navy, I was taught, 2 is 1 and 1 is none. But I could even add
my my zoom if I wanted to come in out of my mixer and have a third 1 almost like a second hard drive, if you would, or third hard drive, if I really wanted to be super redundant. But so far, this setup has worked really well. Even though with this setup, even with 2 different record buttons, still have managed to not hit record on a couple different new podcasts. And we've hit the stop and realize that, hey, the button is not pushed.
And thankfully, we had the other recording going on, but when you don't have redundancy, you only have 1 source not hitting a record thing is something you will experience, not just once, but maybe 2 or 3 times a year, you'll have this. This will come and bite you. This is definitely the the thing that podcasters fear the most is the greatest show ever that never sees the light of day because it never gets recorded.
And, Kyle, we have another redundancy as well. I memorized everything that you say.
So if you go to pod rack dot com or e mails at padrek at gmail dot com, I will come over to your house and recite everything in the show for you. Not a problem. I believe you Moonlight is a court recorder too. Don't you? It looks like It's a funny audience. Yeah. Okay. It's it's it's for night Court. And if you all remember that show, then your older design. The oldest is old is I am. But yeah. I know I was a court reporter for night court. They did go wow.
Again again, we we still have the open casting call for the way back music. But yeah. That's the way back thing. Well, let's let's let's move on to the our second thing, ways to know your podcast lover. And this, of course, is your first your first pod fade. Now Tim, kind of walk us through this 1. What's the first podfade kind of thinking that goes on here? And I've got something for this, but I wanna hear what you have to say first. Well, Kyle, you know, you're doing a show and
you're for 1 reason or another, life happens. And stuff gets in the way. You have a family. You get a a starring role on a TV sitcom, and you just don't have the time to put your effort into into a good quality show. And you you take a break for a week, then you take a break for a month, then you take a break for a year, and then you go, yeah. Yeah. I'm not doing it anyways. Why am I paying hosting? See you later and it goes away. But maybe you didn't, you know, stop. All that hosting.
Maybe you kept it on like AA5 dollar plan for lips and lips and a hundred bucks for us, please. Thank you very much. And then a year later, suddenly you see there's 300 downloads of your show that you haven't touched any year. Should I start it up again? Should I not? I don't know. But podfading is when you let that show Go. Sometimes it's a quick clean death. Sometimes it's long and painful. Like college. Like college. I wanna put my NPR voice on now and
really kind of break it on down. Because podfading is a journey. And journeys is is something you travel through and experience. When you realize you've come to the end of your podcasting world. And life has just not given you lemonade, and now you have to turn your show off. So you walk away and you move away and you just you just decide that maybe this isn't for you and you kind of step away from the whole microphone. And then
You decide to do another show. Yes. This is the journey that I've gone on 3 different occasions. Now I have 1 podcast that's still kind of limping along. I go back to it. It's almost like my my therapy podcast, which ironically I've called PodFater.
You know, pod feeder dot com and find all the different kind of therapy ways to get back to podcasting. Because I had to go through that. I had to go through this journey of realizing that it's okay to stop a show because sometimes you start a show and you just reach the point where it's not fun anymore. Which is an important fact that podcasters will all identify with this is sometimes you can get you could do a podcast that you know a lot about information about.
It's not fun for you anymore. And when it's not fun for anymore, it's hard to put energy into something. If you can't put energy into it, then it comes through the microphone and no 1 wants wants to listen to you be like going like, oh, well, here's, you know, I guess, here's an episode. You know, they don't want that. They want, definitely, what energy, you want fire, a power. Right?
Can't have that if you've lost energy. So sometimes you have to stop a show and then travel through that that understanding and then come back to doing something new and being creative and started a new show and to do something else is more interesting. So that is definitely you can podfade and most podfade podcasters half the podfade before they get to their next show. And if you don't believe me, next time you go meet a podcaster, ask them what number show are you on right now.
And few of them And it's weird because I'll ask somebody, like, oh, we did 300 episodes. We never pod Fated because it never happens to us. Yeah. I bet you if I went through. I mean, I've met maybe 1 person that's podcasted like every day of their life and never missed a show. Those unicorns do exist. I've met them and they are real people, but they are unicorns. Most people miss a week. Most people miss a month. Some people they're on they're on show 38.
They've done 37 other podcasts before they came to this 1. So you are truly a podcaster when you podfade. That is definitely number 2. As a a podcast lover, you or you or you or you love podcasting, if you've podcasted, and then came back. That's definitely a podcast lover. It reminds me of an old adage, Kyle. You know, if you love something, you have to let it go. And if it comes back to you, then put it in a cage.
Hold on to it forever, you know. I heard the other thing was that it come doesn't come back to you, hunt it down and kill it. Is it? Is it the other 1? That's the other 1, Kyle. That is the other 1. It's called a head start, I believe. That's that's a little different. That's not really a love language. It's more of hunting language. That's a different show. That'll be on some episode later on. Exactly.
Well, number 3 of our love language, of our 8 love languages is the first time that you take someone's phone out and subscribe your show in their phone, which is which usually starts off with a oh, you don't know what a podcast is? Having your phone, in which case you download the, you know, cast box or, you know, they have an iPhone. They open the podcasting app on their iPhone. And you immediately go to pod rack and say subscribe. They have no idea what just happened, but they will.
So Tim walk us through the first time you ever did. I've done that to maybe 6 or 7 people now. Hey, everyone out there who we have subscribed to our show. Mom, dad. My kids yeah. They're like, we got lots of listeners or, like, you know, local family. But but no, that is that is definitely a thing. What's the for the first time you ever did that to somebody?
Well, kinda, I've done that to a lot of people I work with actually, you know, they my job is I help people transition and, you know, transition from being a military member into the wonderful world of veteran status.
And they're like, hey, Tim, what do you do for fun? And I'm like, well, I podcast. Well, what's this podcasting thing? My first question is, what kind of phone do you have? And I know if they've got an iPhone, my fingers are going to melt, but I will go ahead and get them subscribed
because I'm a Samsung kind of guy myself. But yeah, I I've I've done it for a ton of people that work just because they have no clue. And then when I tell them what a podcast is and they're listening to it. Now I always do you know, pod rack, and I do my other show, and I do your shows. And and then I taught them a a few that I think that they would be really interested in, you know, a veteran's issues, hunting, and
sports, and comedy, and all that kind of just I already have a a lineup kind of set up for them in my head that I will go ahead and subscribe them too. A lot of times, they'll come back to me. They'll be like, Dude, do you have any more of that? And I'm like, absolutely absolutely so cool. But did you download my show first?
And they're like, well, yeah. I'm like, Good. Alright. Let me give you some more suggestions here. But, Kyle, this is a perfect strategy for anyone that's, you know, just starting their podcast. 1 thing I tell my guys is this, shake hands, kiss babies. And it's the same thing with podcasting, you know. You're out there, you have, you friends and family, and, you know, they wanna support you, but they don't know the technology. They're not they're not hip like the cool kids that we are.
They're not hip to it. So help them be hip to it. You know, no 1 likes to be left out. You know, it's the fear of missing out the fOMO. And you're there to help them with that. Now, maybe they don't dig what you do. And I will tell you, And Kyle will tell you this too. A lot of people don't dig my art show because it is artsy, and it can get a little bit out there. And I'm cool with that. My family, my wife, my wife, God lover, does not listen
to my other show. She listens to PodReck to hear all the crazy stuff that we say.
And she and she tells me every time that we record the show, she says, you know what? I'm glad that you and Kyle had fun playing with each other. And and, you know, and and had had your, you know, had your play date to Yeah. It's yeah. It's my wife called it that too. Exactly. I think our ones are talking to each other. I think so. Would she have a conversation with them? I don't know. But she she she'll listen to the show and go, Oh, yeah. I heard you do that from the basement
because I don't have great soundproofing here and my voice likes to carry. And is carrying right into your ear holes. I'm doing this live, so you're hearing this live, and I'm kidding now. But She knows that it provides me with a lot of joy, a lot of happiness to be able to do a show, to be able to go out there and connect with you, our listener, and to be able to help you with your podcast and to to make it a successful 1. So by all means,
this is not an original idea from Tim. An original idea from Kyle. I got this from somebody else that said, hey, do this. And I'm like, oh, yeah. Okay. So I passed this nugget on to you. I think that's a go and call that an idea of virus. So it's a big idea that spreads. This is definitely 1 of them. Isn't that episode 12 of PodFader? The idea is pod fader dot com. No. Check out that show. Well, I think that's a great idea, though, of not only
doing your own show inside someone else's phone, but subscribing to things they might like because think about pod rack. Pod rack is for people who are producing or creating or recording podcasts. Or podcast about podcasting. So, you know,
my wife would listen to this because she supports the show, but it's not really her jam. Right? You know, your average show is not gonna really listen to the show unless they're building a podcast. So it's nice that some of our side projects to definitely apply to that because, you know, maybe there's some still maybe the art thing is something someone's interested in in And I've found people who are interested in that kind of stuff to get your show with KDI podcasting on there. Again, kdiapodcasting
dot com. You really wanna get into the the art of art that can, you know, we consume we consume more than we we produce. Is that the tagline? I can tell Kyle listens to my show. It's like freeze fried pizza. That's right. It's a Tim's podcast. It's about french fries. If you like french fries, Burger King Donald's, then you definitely wanna consume more than you art. No. It's definitely you wanna do more arts than you consume. Right? And they're
I I I'll get it right eventually, you know. That's that's me. It's me and taglines. I, like, screw them all up. And sometimes, it's on purpose and Sometimes I pretend it's on purpose. It's not. It's because Kyle's crazy. Anyway, no. I my mom had me tested. He just I wish I'd gone to the specialist. Okay. That being said,
someone's phone and turning them into podcasting is the first step. That's like the first phase. Like the intros phase right there. And you could get some people to be interested in your show. Maybe you even inspire them to wanna do a podcast that way. That's how that's kind of done. And as a podcast lover of someone who loves podcasts, the first thing when you find out that that first person who you meet that's never heard of a podcast. What are you gonna do? You're gonna tell them everything about podcasting, and they're gonna go really I don't know what that means, and you open up their phone. And, of course, you know, it's gonna you know, Android. Okay. Fine cast box or or Himalaya or, you know, pick a pick an app. Right? Pocket cast? Depending if they wanna pay for it or not. Or if it's an iPhone, there it is. Bob's your uncle. There's the button. And what you're gonna do is you're going to introduce them to a world
that they will never be able to come out of. Podcasting is forever. And it is forever because it is such a rich environments for education and content and media and humor and audio dramas and all storytelling and all that kind of stuff. It is really kind of the coolest thing. It's in sliced bread. That is definitely number 3. If you love podcasting, that's 1 way to show some love to somebody. But another way to show someone love to somebody and is number 4 is go to your first conference.
Now if you're a podcast lover, you're obviously going to love podcasters. Right, Tim? Is that the kind of thing you you feel when you go to a podcast conference? Do you feel the love? Or do you feel like oh my gosh, I am a small fish and a big pond. What's kind of your take on the whole conference, the visiting the conference in the love language of Podcasting? Well, Kyle, there's a
us podcasters are a unique brand of people. We're a unique breed. We're all very handsome and beautiful and intelligent, kind, heartwarming, down home folks that really like to, you know, let her hair down every once in a while. No. But Kyle, seriously, the conferences Your first conference that you go to is going to be 1 that you will remember forever unless you're like me. My first conference that I went to. I had it was just 2 weeks out of neck surgery. I had 3 vertebrae
fused. And I was under a lot of the medication and my voice sounded absolutely horrible. It sounded like I had swallowed some battery acid and my vocal cords got wrapped around my ankle. However, my first conference that I went to, I was in that kind of condition. But my good friend, Cal here, took me to it. He drove me up. To DC every day, and we made sure that we got to meet everybody there. Everyone was very I I was shocked. Everyone was very friendly. Everyone was very giving
of the information that they had. And never very understanding. They they were worried about me using my voice too much and and being in pain when in, you know, in fact matters, I was on oxycodone, Vicinin. Prednisone and about 3 other drugs and maybe a couple of beers. I don't know. I'm smoking some cigarettes out in the hallway. But I had a fantastic
time there. And then after that conference, the very next conference I went to was MAPCOD, Mid Atlantic Podcast convention, with Super Joe Pardo and a hundred bucks Super Joe, UTB star u. Anyhow, I was out there and I was talking with some people and they're like, hey, Tim, how are you how are you doing? How's your net going? And I'm like, do I know you? And they're like, yeah, you're a DC Pod you regard the guy with a voice.
And for another 1 who who didn't get to attend that, I will do a and my my improved rendition of Tim's voice. I am Tim, and I do bug editing. And by voice is all messed up. And I hope you don't judge me too largely, but I have a really chuckling smooth voice when I'm not after being in surgery. How was that? That pretty good. You know what? Yeah. If you could do the interpretive dance with that, which is what I did,
That would be even better, Kyle. And you became and you became the guy with the voice, everyone was remembering you for the oh, you had that, like, that neck thing and the whole voice thing. And there people were honestly concerned that he's, like and of course, some people were a little scratch their head a little bit like you're a podcaster with bad voice. But once you started talking them, they're like, you know what? I'd listen to that podcast.
That's the scary thing. And I had just literally started my podcast I was in episode 5 or 6. Yeah. Maybe even 4. When that happened, And and when I had that neck surgery and, you know, I was just starting off. So, you know, to start off a podcast, and this could be, you know, a whole talk that we have 1 1 of these days, is
wait till you are done with major surgery and have fully recovered before you launch transitions. Yeah. I mean, go surgery and then turn the microphone on. I mean, it's a win win. But, yeah, the the the love language though of the conference if you think about it, you're talking about how they embraced you even though they were still kind of, you know, your voice was bizarre to them. As they try to wrap their head around it. But but
the the I wanna call it a love in. It's not a hippie talk with it, but podcasts don't get out of the house or out of their basement or out of their closet very often. So a podcast conference is a lot like going to a lake. A you know, you're you're visiting your coworkers.
It's like almost like being a teleworker and then 1 time a month or time of year, you go everyone goes to, like, Boulder, Colorado to meet everybody in the company. It's what it podcasting feels like that. He's like, I hear their voices when I listen to their shows. I know what they look like. I've I've listened to all their stuff and then all of a sudden you're seeing them and they're like, you know, hey, it's like, I I used I just talked to you the other day. Like, no, you didn't. You were in the shower listening to the school podcasting.
Like, I know. I would just listen to you the other day. We we just had a conversation. Like, No. I haven't talked to you in 6 months. No. No. I just listen to your podcast. I totally know everything you're doing. It's really it's it's the weirdest thing.
But it's a great supportive community because, you know what, I I made some great connections there. And that's, you know, when you're attending a conference, you really need to you know, you're not gonna gain any listeners from that per se or you shouldn't go with the mindset that, hey, I'm gonna go grab you know, I'm gonna get, you know, a hundred and 50 listeners. What you do is you go for the networking. You go for the the camaraderie really with that.
And and try to knock that out for you. And, you know, with that conference, Kyle, I wanna tell you a little story that happened with that. I ran into Joe Pardo, and I was, you know, I was doing my frog voice with him. I was talking about how I'm editing my podcast. And this is leads into number 5 here. I was telling Joe, hey, listen, you know. It's taking me forever to edit my podcast. And at that time, it wasn't too long, but I was removing
every little error, every little glitch in there. I was putting out my podcast ears And for, like, you know, a 15 minute episode, it would take me 5 hours. 5 hours for a 15 minute episode. To go through and edit that. Now, you know, spending that much time on a podcast. I don't care how crazy you are. That's not fun. No. Okay? Some people really love the editing aspect of it. I kind of do like editing. But not for 15 hours.
Okay? I'm I'm yeah. You can throw on some good tech. No. I can throw on some good JES. Zone out. I'm good for about 2 hours max, but 5 hours for a 15 minute thing. You feel like you're getting nothing done and that's how you know you're a podcaster when you edit your first episode and it takes you forever in a week, Kyle. How about you? How long does it take you to edit
1 of these episodes? Well, at the very beginning, it was like that. I mean, I worked in a ski factory when I was just coming out of college way back. And we're back in the day. And we did carpal tunnel exercises because you did a lot of repetitive motions when you're building skis.
Well, when you go to edit your first podcast to take the ah's and the ums and the things you think are bad boo boos and the warts and stuff out of your audio, you find very quickly how difficult it is to use your hand or your wrist after you do an hour or 2 of that. Now there is some levels to editing. If you really want to take everything out, you can. But there's the flip side of that which is take nothing out because it's a normal conversation. You can do that too. Somewhere in the middle
is where most people should probably aim for when you're doing just a an interview or co hosted type event. Why? Because a normal conversation sounds normal. After 5 hours editing 15 minutes to remove ums, you start to realize really quickly that sometimes the ums are okay. Your the perfectionism starts to wear off. As you because you love this audio, as you love the podcast so much that you want it to be so perfect. You're gonna find that perfect is the enemy of good enough.
You're gonna really want to make it good. It doesn't need to be perfect. Perfect is a podcast you'll never get done. You'll never get done editing that. Your worst is after you get done to editing that that 15 minutes segment, the director of 5 hours of editing. Guess what?
Next episode here comes. You have to do it again and again and again and after doing that 50 times or a hundred times or 200 times, it gets old fast. Now you learn some tricks. You learn some of the, you know, Adobe Admissions or Adacity or Hindenburg tile, you know, or get rid of some white space or get rid of some of those where you can identify it. You can, like, you start to realize what the wave pattern of an r or an looks like.
You start to you'll be able to spot it out like, oh, I know what that is right away. But at some point, you have to you have to allow some of the natural voice and sounds to come out. And that's okay. And this is definitely something to to to to share. Remember, this is the this is the love episode. Right? We we love you. Do not spend 5 hours editing your audio, a 15 minute audio, or do I spend 10 hours editing to half an hour audio.
The ratio should be 1 to 4 or 1 to 3. You should really, for every 1 minute of audio, 3 minutes of editing. Get rid of some of the spaces, some of that weird transitions, maybe you coughed, maybe the dog barked, you know, get rid of some of those kind of like annoying things that makes the audio sound bad. But after that, man, let it go. Just let it go into the whole thing. Right?
And and enjoy. And so so, Tim, I think that's really kind of the the takeaway from number 5 of of showing the love is you're gonna have to let it go. You're just gonna have to let the ums and ahs stay in there. And this is 1 podcast lover to another is I I don't I don't want them all out. I don't. Mhmm. Excellent. And you know what? We've made it through 17 episodes before we've had our first frozen reference. Kyle, I wanna thank you for
breaking that. We III personally had the over under being at 20 episodes, but we we have our first frozen reference there, and that's okay. Because Kyle, you know, with with all the editing software that we have, you can get you can get plugins. I was just looking at some the other day, that will get rid of the breath. You know, we'd like to breathe every once in a while. But it'll get rid of the breath in your podcast. That's the thing I I cut out every time you talk. You
Exactly. Yeah. I mean, you all feel blah. But they have that and that that just that plug in. Yeah. Not not the actual equipment. Just the plug in is like 50 bucks. Have you ever used it? You ever tried to use that kind of thing to take this stuff out? No. No. III just use the noise reduction. Yeah. And if I have a a really if I'm breathing really heavily that day, I will go in and do it 1 at a time or every other 1. And if somebody's annoyed by my breathing
Okay. So you're the breather. I'm the sniffer. Yes. I'm the I'm the guy who's always like robin. Every time I get on the microphone, my nose issues, I don't know what that is. I'm a haffer, you're a hitter. I'm a hitter. I tend to be I do that mouth thing too, and that's only because I keep drinking coffee. So Kyle, you know, in order to do podcasts, we have to, you know, have something to do a podcast into.
Mhmm. And let's talk about you're you're buying your first piece of equipment now for some folks, that's a microphone, for other folks, that's a laptop. Or a cell phone or an app. But you know you're a podcaster. When you plug down some good hard earned Canadian dollars. Ouch. Because they're not worth as much as American dollars. I'm buying some equipment. Now when I And actually, I'm celebrating 2 years of going to Kyle's meet up here in Fredericksburg this month.
I remember way back in the day, way back music here. 1 of the first microphones I bought that after I attended your meet up, I immediately threw away. I bought a little just a a 10 dollar microphone off of Amazon, and I I forget what brand it was. It was like a really knock off brand. And I was gonna use that for my podcast, and I was like, oh, this sounds like utter crap. And then I bought I I plunked down the 70 bucks to get the ATR 2100.
Audio technica, that'll be a hundred bucks, and you can, you know, put it on my bill. But when I bought that microphone, I noticed everything. The whole game just changed, and it was fantastic. I'd been doing using block talk radio in the past and doing it on my phone doing a podcast on my phone, it was horrible. And when I switched over to an actual microphone and I actually spent the money into purchasing it, then I was like, you know what? I'm into it now.
I am into the game. I am into podcasting. I am a serious podcaster. Even though I I do for Hobby, I don't, you know, get any monetary fundage from it, which reminds me, Kyle, They can go ahead onto our website to our Patreon account. Is that correct? The button is there. Yep. The button is there for you to go ahead and hit that Patreon end. Pod wreck dot com. Find our Patreon account.
Feel free to donate what you feel this show is worth and then double that amount. I love how you rolled right into Patreon commercial there. Host red. That was pretty slick. Yeah.
Because it number 6, the first piece of equipment is something that every podcaster stresses the heck out of. And you think about it is as a lover of podcasting. The first thing you do is you buy the worst thing ever. And then you go to a conference where you go and some you listen to a podcast about podcasting. And the first thing they tell you is how what you just purchased was the worst thing to ever purchase. And this is because the Internet is full of bad information, bad videos,
bad podcast about podcasting. There's all sorts of bad information out there. Now, I was 1 of those kind of podcasters. I was like, I'm gonna podcast and I'm gonna do it all myself. And, of course, my first piece of equipment was the blue snowball. We were talking about frozen a minute ago, well, that was mine. And the blue snowball actually sounds pretty good.
Because it manages a record, just about everything you would say into it. And the air conditioning, and the dog, and the guy Mona's lawn across the street, and people walking up and down the road and cars going by and you can hear the ants coming across the floor. I mean, it records everything
Now if I was a singer, that'd be fantastic microphone to start with. But as a podcaster, man, you have to you have to turn your entire environment into this sterile, soundless cocoon, which ended up being my closet. I was in the closet. Yeah. It was the worst. Because the closet's like, you know, 10000 degrees and there's no ventilation. And so you're you're doing a podcast, but you're also losing weight. So I guess it's a win win. Right?
But that's the whole thing about the the first piece of equipment is that snowball. But you you are definitely the blove from the podcast where it comes when you when you make that purchase and realize it was a mistake. Mhmm. Now, Kyle, we were talking a little bit earlier here tonight about you know, the community of podcasters and, you know, it it's a pretty tight knit community. There's only, you know, 675000 of us podcasts. I'm kidding
in in the world here. You know me? I love my numbers. 700000 now. Oh, it keeps going up. It's just it's like like, troubles. But Dave Jackson stop making podcasts. Okay. Just stop it. Stop it. You got enough out there. You got 38 out there, Dave. You got enough. I can't subscribe to them all. But the first time you were interviewed by another podcast, that is a very special feeling. Kyle, I'm gonna tell you about the first time I was interviewed by another podcaster. Okay.
And this was on a a twin dad's show. Oh, that's right. Yeah. This is way back in the day and it was a pre surgery. So I still had my voice. And it it was it was 1 of the shows that kinda kept me sane before when I was having my twins. And the guy in there very formulaic very laid back, put me at ease, had a great time doing the show, and then, you know, I I got to my friends and family, hey, listen, I'm important enough I got interviewed.
Everybody likes to be interviewed. Everyone loves to tell their story. And if you wanna tell your story, get on over here at pod rack at gmail dot com. Shoot us an email. Tell us your podcasting journey and story We'd love to, you know, discuss that whether you have you on the show, get your tips and tricks, and get how you're feeling about the show. Get on our show here by all means. You are incorrigible. I am incorrigible too.
But No. Really though, Kyle. I Did you think you arrived when someone wanted to interview you? Is that the the kind of feeling you got was -- Oh. -- that that that oh my gosh. That I've I'm I must be important. I'm on another show. It's not just my mom saying, you're beautiful, you're handsome, you're very smart and intelligent. I got somebody else going, hey, you're you're well, you're not beautiful, but you're smart, you're intelligent, you're handsome, and
and and you're a father of twins. And we gotta interview you. Somebody wanted to hear my opinion. You stick a microphone in anyone's face. Maybe you take the camera away, but you stick it in their face in hey, listen, I want to hear your opinion on something. It makes them feel fantastic. It it makes them feel important. It gives them a sense of being.
I've interviewed, you know, clients that I've that I work with, and they're like, really, do you think that, you know, I I have something to say on such and such subject? Absolutely. You're respecting that person's opinion
and you're making them feel wonderful. And then what they're gonna do here here's a little trick, Kyle. Don't tell everybody this. Okay? This is just between me and you. Just between me and you. Okay? I'm the listener. And the listener. But me and you and the listener, he won't tell anybody or she won't tell anybody. Alright. So you interview that person. You make them feel special. Guess what they're gonna do? You'll never guess.
I'll tell you. They're gonna give you a piece of chocolate. No. They're not gonna give you a piece of chocolate. Oh, I like chocolate. Oh, I'll I'll give you chocolate. But what they're gonna do is they're gonna tell a friend. Mhmm. And then that friend's gonna tell a friend. And then that friend's gonna go, hey, you know what? My cousin Vinny over here got interviewed on this crazy art show. I'm gonna listen to it. And boom, you you already have marketing
taken care of for you. It's a lazy man's way of doing it. I like it. I like that. That's a really good strategy. Mhmm. Now now I have a I have a twofer. So I did 1 remotely and I was invited to a studio. Yes. Did you get to use the Haile? No. No. He had I think he had the ATR 21 hundreds just like just like we do. Okay. But so the first 1 was was with a gentleman named Carrie Greene for podcastification. And he does the the podcast fast track dot com. He's a he's a local
local he bought an RV. He and his wife sold their house bought an RV, and they're touring the country in their RV. And that was so so Kerry Green, hundred bucks. Buckwildification. Buckwildfire strike. We are gonna make so much money off this episode. And so but I wrote an article for Gagelpod
And I posted it up on on Instagram and Facebook, and he read it and was like, oh my gosh. I'm really I really like this this strategy you put on there. And he he sent me an email saying, hey, can I interview you? So that was the first time I was interviewed
on his show. And he told me several months later here that that particular podcast episode was his highest 1 of that year. At least at the time, I don't know if it is anymore, but at the time was like, well, that's pretty cool. Because I promoted the tour out of it. I wanted everybody to know. I was like, oh, my god. Tell me all the podcasts. Right? That was the first 1. Then for my podcast, Merchant of Dirt,
I was I was promoting I was a race director for a local mountain bike race. And a local podcaster, a guy named by the name of Will Nichols, who does the Angry Mountain Biker Podcast, he
was interested in in listening. He wanted me to talk about the race and about getting into racing in local, the local mountain biking scene. He invited me over to his house. And inside his house, he had a little studio, which was kind of a, like, his kitchen table that turned into hiddenities, like, the science boards with the with the foam on it. And kind of like just he like poof like a pop up studio, which was really cool.
And he introduced me to all sorts of neat little gear like the headphones splitter and he was using I think he's using a boss jock or something to do. He does, like and where I'd never seen a podcast produced by someone else before, where like us, like I take the the raw audio and I put it in an and I add the music to it and I cut the pieces out and I put the intro and the outros in. And I, you know, I massage it, take all the ums and all that kind of thing. He does it raw.
He does it raw, where it's like, we're there talking, and he's like, okay, ready, and silence, and then all said, he's like, hey, this is Will Nichols, anger map by mountain biker, and he cues the music and the music's plan while we're sitting there. And then we talk And then once we're done talking, he exit music and that's a rap. He cuts that baby in boom. That's a podcast. I'm like, wow, that was actually quite efficient.
But what I did was interesting was while he was playing the the intro music, I was like, oh my gosh, you're actually playing the music. I started dancing and sing along and making and it's 1 of his only shows where the guest is giggling and laughing through the intro music. So, I mean, but I digress, but that that's really kind of the cool thing about the the first time you're interviewed by a podcaster,
the 1 cool thing that that I see that that if you're looking if you're a podcaster and you're looking to have someone promote the tar out of yourself. Don't go after the big super guest. You know? Don't go after the heavy hitter. And like Dave Jackson says, it's not the it's not the size of the guests, it's the size of the value the guests brings. And so think about
when I first got on a podcast the very first time, I promoted it to anybody and everybody multiple times. Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, anyone I could talk to. I shared it in email. I shared it in some discussions. I let everybody know it was on that on that podcast, which is why Kerry Green came back and said, oh my gosh. I can't believe this this downloads on these podcast is crazy. This one's really kind of spiked out of nowhere.
Why? Because I was so grateful to be asked to be on his podcast that I wanted to tell everybody about how cool Kerry was for putting me on his podcast.
That is how you can help your podcast get known is you go find people who are starting out or little fish who are really trying to make their own thing going on, and they will they will love you forever to build a super fan that way, especially if you're asking about something they created. And you get some really good interview feedback on them, that podcast can explode for you. So that's just a simple threat attack to the try out. And, I mean, as as our love or podcast lever goes on, that language goes on, the
the and this was number 7. Right? It is definitely the thing you have to think about is being on a podcast. But if you can't be you can't get interviewed, There is 1 more trick you can play in our love language here. And this is the and of course, we love us some Dave Jackson. Dave Jackson is our spirit animal. And we we almost I think we quote him just about every every every podcast. I think we we pull a Dave Jackson quote out somewhere. That's because, you
you know, This is the coolest thing about Dave Jackson. Little side note here. When you listen to Dave Jackson's podcast, he sounds like Dave Jackson. When you meet him person, guess what he sounds like. Dave Jackson. That guy is who he is in his podcast. He is in real life. He's the most giving. Cool, lay back, caring guy.
You could ask him 15 questions. He'll give you 15 answers. He's that kind of guy. He's also just coaching He does also to cool stuff the school podcasting. He does ask the podcast coach. The guy is everywhere. So he does this thing on his podcast. The school podcasting. Go to school podcasting dot com. And enter
enter a pod rack into the into the the discounting. Get it back to 30 days off the doubletosis. I'm just kidding. We don't have any promo codes. But anyway, maybe we should. Maybe we should have like, hey, if you want your pod rack, you get like some money off on on his his coaching class. We should we should reach out and ask him that. Anyway, I know. Kinda like here's Kyle, you know, the coffee's kicking in.
Number 8, the first time you record a question on the school of podcasting because every month Dave Jackson asks a question. In fact, he has 1 coming up because he has 1 coming up at the end of every month where he asks you a question. And if you actually go and record an MP3 audio or call him. I think he's got to, like, speak pipe or something where you can, like, leave a voice message or you can send him an email.
He will play it on his show. In fact, he builds a whole episode that week about people who respond to him. And you go and you say, hi. I'm Kyle Bondo.
I'm pod rack, pod rack dot com. Here's what my the thing is why I'm answering the question, and that's really cool. And then he goes, Kyle, you know. And that's really cool. And then their show does this. And he promotes you on top of that. Everyone gets to hear when people go, oh, and what that podcast is. Sometimes, When I'm listening to that episode, I find 2 or 3 podcasts I never heard of before that I go, I wonder what that 1 sounds like. And I'll go and subscribe.
And I have a hundred and some of my podcasts in my pocket cast. Some of them came from listening to Dave's show. And how about you I know you've called in or sent messages to to to Dave. It's like just like I have. I've kind of backed off a little bit because some of the questions are like, you know, maybe that's 1 not for me. But you've done this. Did you get any how do you feel the the engagement came from doing this on Dave's show? Did you feel like your podcast got some some a bump?
Well well, Kyle, I definitely got what I paid for. No. No. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I I paid nothing for it. It took me for that to do that today. All that build up. All that build up. And, you know, then Dave's gonna, you know, slam our show, no. Just kidding. But I I've done his show a couple of times. And I got a bit of a bump. I I will admit that, but what I got out of it besides that bump was I got some free advice from him -- Yeah. -- over the airwaves that I think
that he's repeated that advice a few times, and I I don't know if he had that advice for somebody else and just given it to me. And then pass him on to other people. But Well, he has the advantage of where he sits is you ask a question or you answer your question the same way 5 other people answer their question. And now he's got he knows, okay. That's this is an answer I need to give. Mhmm. I know that definitely that you have benefited
Dave is your spirit animal too, is he not? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Well, because when I was introducing my show, I was saying the name too quickly because I'm from Chicago and we talk very fast. Because it's very cold outside and we want to have very efficient communication with each other because we don't want our insides to freeze like our outsides have frozen.
But he he he told me, hey, slow down the name of your show, so that way I can get it, so that way I can go to the website. And then another question that was out there that I answered. I was I I was telling them, hey, listen, you know, I got this podcast going. I'm thinking about starting to others. And he said, hey. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Hold on there, bubba, you know, what are you going to give up in order to do those podcasts? Because
this podcasting thing, it takes time, it's gonna take a chunk out of your day. So what are you willing to give up in it for that podcast? And you know what? I started up a podcast a that quickly pod fated out. And I and I shut it off right away for a couple of reasons, but 1 of the reasons was it was taking a lot of time and it wasn't fun. And the time it was taking and it was family time and I said, yep. Nope. No. Not gonna happen.
Now yeah. Do I do 2 podcasts right now? Absolutely. Am I thinking about starting a third podcast? Sure. But now I can budget the time correctly. I can see how much time can I devote to this? So I've got we got this podcast here, Kyle, that goes just about weekly. My other podcast goes biweekly, but I schedule in breaks between the seasons. So I'll schedule, like, a 2 month break between the seasons. Third podcast that I'm gonna do.
I I think it's gonna be 1 of those things where it's it doesn't have a set schedule or if it does, I'm gonna have enough shows in the can, so that way I can go for 3 months without having to record a show, just promote a show. And and do it along That was pretty good advice. I mean, Dave, I mean and how much did Dave charge you for that advice? 0 99. That's right. So so I guess it's not Dave Jackson, a hundred bucks. It's more like, hey, Dave Jackson. The checks in the mail.
I'm naming my third born after I believe so. I guess we we kind of owe Dave. So but that's that's really kind of the cool thing about the the podcasting world is if you if you need advise, if you need support, if you need coaching, you can usually get some of the short quick answers done very cheaply. You know, you can ask them for free Facebook groups. You can ask them. You can do the whole thing where you you send your stuff into this whole podcasting.
But the cool thing about it is is when you find people that just are give, give, give, give, give, give, when they offer a product or a server or something like that. A lot of times, you have to usually think about, you know what? I've I've that guy has given me free stuff so many times. That if I wanted if you don't if I I need to, like, up my game or improve my podcasting, that's where I go. That's the kind of the so so we have no problem pitching
other people's stuff on this show. I mean, Dave Jackson, if you want to really up your game, that's the place to go. School podcasting is where you go at. Right? Because right now, PodRact, we do this for free. This is a this is kind of our This is a lot of fun for us because we we used to talk about podcasting after our meetups all the time. We used to go to meetups
hold meetups and talk after meetups about podcasting industry and all the problems and everything and stuff we were having the whole time. And the 1 time we said, you know, we should really record this.
Poof, Pod Rec was born. And this is really kind of Tim and I using this as a sounding board of some of the things that we've experienced to help because we know that we've heard enough people say, oh my gosh, this is so, you know, why is it so hard? Why can I get good information? Why are there so many, you know, shmucks out there who are peddling? You know, every time I wanna talk to them, they're like, they suck are you in, and then they wanna sell you something.
Well, we know the people in the industry who aren't doing that. You know, Dave Jackson is definitely 1 of anytime we have a chance to promote him, I'm all for it because I say, you know, Dave, you know, that's that's kind of Dave's side gig -- Mhmm. -- by all means. And If you have the time and your podcast is tiny, by all means, go listen to the school podcasting
and listen to his question of the month and send in the MP3. It doesn't have to be long. You could do it like, you know, 1 minute. Minute and a half, maybe even 30 seconds. Just say, you know, hey, Dave. I'm so and so. My podcast is X. The podcast is the the websites. Why? And here's my answer. And having it played on his show,
here let's look at the impact here. How many downloads do you think, Tim, that the school podcasting has every week. I mean, Dave produces that show. I mean, it's like it's like 11:59 on a Sunday. Click 12:00 on a Monday bang. My podcast app says school caught podcast and just got downloaded. It's within that time frame. I mean, like, the minute it's, like, midnight, 02:00 in the morning, that thing's hard. It's it's always there in the morning, on Monday mornings.
But how many downloads do you think he gets per episode? You think? I think I know the answer, but I wanna hear what you have to say. Well, III think he's mentioned it a a few times, but I think per episode, probably, I would say, a couple hundred, maybe a maybe a thousand per episode. Yeah. I think grand total he's had like, 2 or 3000000 downloads just for just for his podcast. But we gotta remember though, he's on episode number 667. Yeah. I've heard as much as 3000.
So -- Mhmm. -- he's probably within the 15 to 3000 range. Mhmm. If you think about your your mini little mini thing thrown up on his show to answer a question that he'll either talk about before or after your your your the snippet. I mean, that is a thousand people's ear holes that you're going to be in
that is something you can't I mean, how much of a costume is a Facebook ad or is an Instagram ad? Or, I mean, you can you can't even go down the street and talk to that many people at once? So these are this is and again, get another strategy. Kinda like grabbing someone's phone. I mean, that's a that's a very you can't really scale to grab someone's phone thing. Right? But you can do that a few maybe those people tell some people. Right? And those people tell some people. Maybe a couple dozen.
But, man, maybe you need to think about some of this being on other people's shows. And this is 1 where this is 1 where Dave Jackson is inviting you to come onto a show. Do it. You know, if you have a show, do it. Answer the question. It's not scary. Do it. No one's gonna laugh at you. It is it is the easiest thousand people listen you'll ever get. Now, maybe you'll get 10 people to your show. Who who'll go, you know what? I'll check that show out. 10 people.
10 people's a lot of people. Mhmm. You're standing in line with McDonald's. There's 10 people in front of you. Sometimes it's like, well, maybe I don't want McDonald's that much. And I don't eat that anymore anyway. But maybe the taco bell. I do eat taco bell, so Well, Kyle, you can't fit 10 people in your car. Can you? Yeah. Well,
in my car, you can. I have a Toyota Highlander. I can probably fit 10 people, but no one's gonna be comfortable. People will be there, not everybody. Right? That's a lot of people. That's a clown car. So you think about that. That you cannot get that. That's free advertising. And, of course, you know, Dave's gets the opportunity to decide whether or not he's gonna use your clip or not, but if you're interesting and you're somewhat entertaining, chances are he's gonna use you.
So these are the kind of I mean, so let's let's kind of, like, let's walk through
are 8 ways to know your podcast lover tips that we've kinda done here. Right? So the first 1, of course, was gotta hit record. That's a must. Everyone's gonna do it. You're gonna forget it's gonna in. Number 2, of course, is you're gonna probably This is not gonna be your first podcast. So, you know, love it, but maybe not love it too much. Because it's got a great way to learn and you might find out what you really wanna podcast about. There are those few out there that do those are the only 1 they ever do, but there are few.
Let's see. Number 3, the first time you take someone's phone and subscribe for them is definitely something really cool because you're gonna start learning how to tell somebody what a podcast is. You're gonna learn what that message is. Number 4 is your first conference.
You can definitely learn that there are podcasts out there that will love you just for being a podcaster and what's cool at a conference is so many different walks of life. If you wanna talk about a cross section of America, that is the place to go because you will meet every color, every creed, every you every which way. They're there. They have a podcast. And you're all connected by podcasting. It's a cool thing to be connected by. Because
it is because everyone has their the thing. Now, Tim, take us through the last 4. What's the last 4 that we're as we're going out here? Alright, Kyle. So what we have here is the 5 hour editing session for a 15 minute show folks. You know, sometimes perfect is not attainable. Sometimes, you're gonna spend too much money, too much time too much energy and, you know, podcasting. If it's not your main moneymaker, if it's not your job, then maybe you need to, you know,
kick it back a little bit. You don't need to spend 5 hours on 15 minutes. You don't need to spend you know, 300 dollars on a plug in that will remove all your breaths. Sometimes, imperfection is a beautiful thing. So we love our imperfections. And the next 1 is, buying your first piece of equipment. It's gonna be wrong. It's gonna be scary. It's gonna be okay. We all buy the wrong piece of equipment. It's gonna be it's just it's it's okay. Breathe with me everyone. Take a nice deep breath in.
And out, we're gonna buy a bad piece of equipment. I'm looking at a mixer right now that I've used 5 times and I spent 80 bucks for and it's collecting a lot of dust and you know what, that's okay because I'll either find a way to use it some other points or I'm gonna give that to a brand new podcaster and go Here you go. Welcome to the wonderful world of podcasting. So it's gonna be a it's probably gonna be a gift for somebody.
Now, The next 1 I really enjoy is being the first time you're interviewed by a podcaster. And that really validates you as a as a podcaster. It really validates your whole being your whole idea of you know, this this podcast this podcasting thing that we do. You know, somebody respects your opinion. Somebody wants to hear you and listen to you. And definitely, we feel that same way here at pod rack. You know, you can go on pop on the email.
Pod rack at gmail dot com. Go to the website pod wreck dot com. Let us know your thoughts, your wishes, your desires, your wants to be a better podcast and our last 1 here, Kyle. That's the 1 we we gotta we gotta beat the This is this is the tough 1, the big puba. Big puba. The Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame podcaster, Dave Jackson. That's funny that it's that's school podcasting is on episode 667.
Mhmm. This is, like, epic this is, like, this is, like, podcast 34 38 for Dave Jackson. Mhmm. Which means that 667 of just this podcast. Exactly. Now he's got, you know, a podcast rodeo, which is 1 that I really listen to. He's up in the hundred and twenties, hundred and fifties for that 1. He just started that 1 like what? Last year or so? Last year. Yeah. And he does it, like, twice a week? And it it's it's a great way.
It's a great it's a blessing and it's a curse because it can really put your podcast ears on, which really, you know, that that whole 5 hours and editing session for a 15 minute podcast. It you you learn, hey, what's important? What's not important? And you also learn, you know what? Sometimes that audience member is not for you. In your podcast. And you know what? It's okay. It's okay. But, yeah, definitely,
shoot you know, shoot an answer to 1 of Dave's questions over at school of podcasting. At school podcasting dot com, and he has a bunch of different little codes that you can use to get other services at at deeply discounted rate or free for a month or 2. So definitely check check out Dave. Wonderful person in person. And like you said, Kyle, you know, the the Dave Jackson that you hear on the on the airwaves there is the Dave Jackson that you'd meet.
And when you told me that originally, many many moons ago, I was like, yeah, right. And then when I met him while I was in my horse collar and and my wonderful voice, guy just shook my hand and, you know, talked to me for a few minutes and he was very pleasant and wanted to know
what struggles I was having and how he could help out. And I was impressed by that. I thought that was a wonderful thing. Here's a so at at podcast this year in March, the first time I saw Dave at the the conference You went Kyle and gave me a hug. Dude, that's like it's like now it's Dave and Kyle. It's no longer mister Jackson and and me. Right? You know, mister Jackson? You know, it's it's David and Kyle. We're butts now. Yeah.
Which is cool. I guess he's And I talked about you on the show all the time. He loves the, you know, the term Gagrebod and merchants of dirt. Right? I I listen to school podcasting. Oh. To hear him say your name. Let's ask the podcast coach. She does it all the time because I I do the Patreon to get the to get the special the special thing on the backside. Yeah. He can't he can't say merchants of dirt without saying it like like it's like, you know, on tour with Mattel opening for Mattelica.
He's merchants of dirt. Yes. I I get every time I'm doing that, I I like, oh, hey. And and I'm doing the dance with you, I'm definitely doing the dance with you. And I know our listeners are doing the dance with you too whenever they hear that. So this was the 8 ways to know your podcast lover.
And we hope you got a lot out of this. I think I think these are this is this is 1 of those episodes where there's a lot of there's a lot of meat here. There's a lot of things you can a lot of strategies, a lot of things you can think about. And I think I think that that if you if you can do some of these things or avoid some of these things, it'll be kinda going through a little, like, maybe like 4 pros and 4 cons,
you will improve your podcast. You will avoid being the next pod rack. If you think about some of these these tactics, and avoid some of these pitfalls, I think you'll be better off as a podcaster. What do you think, Tim? You wanna close this out here? Yeah. Kyle, well, see the whole idea for this episode and for the next episode, kinda came from, you know, listening to podcasts and and thinking, hey, listen, you know, these are things that we understand as podcasters.
And I think, you know, just just getting into the whole mind and world of podcasting, you know, is is really awesome and is a wonderful experience I I've had a great time. I've had a great 2 years of doing podcasts, and I'm looking forward to the next 20 years of doing podcasts. So, yeah, Kyle, these are wonderful strategies and wonderful things to think about
while you're you know, while you're doing your podcast, you know, it it may be things that you're a new podcaster and you're like, you know, I I don't wanna appear to be, you know, a newbie or anything like that. Well, you know what, we've given you 8 things to think about, 8 things to talk about with your friends, your family, and other podcasters. So utilize those for yourself. And then we will definitely see you on our next episode.
We just wanna thank you for listening to Podrect. We are our website here is podrect dot com. In our email. If you'd like to get a hold of us and we love talking to our listeners through the email is podrick at gmail dot com. Kyle and I put a lot of effort into this. We're happy that you're getting something out of it. And folks, you know, the the 8 love languages of podcasting is coming up next episode.
See, these 8 You know your podcast lover win, the love languages, though. It's where we dive a little bit deeper into what it means to be a podcaster, so don't miss out on it. Podrick dot com. You need to come in and you need to find out where all the love is. Thank you for listening. See you next time. I was like, I had a little flub there. No. No. You got, like, deep and, like, really intimate in there. That was nice. I like that. All smooth. You're right, you know, hey, it's it's the voice.
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