Hi. I'm Kyle Bondo, and I'm Tim Kim O'Brien. And you're listening to PodRec, the podcast to help you survive the podcast industry. Today on this episode, we're gonna talk about podcasting in education. This is 1 of those subjects that I find difficult that it's not everywhere. And I say this because of the amount of podcasts out there that are educational based, that are trying to teach you something. Now, you might be thinking, you're being taught some motivational stuff or some business stuff.
But in this type of educational activity, we're talking about resources involved in getting kids mostly adults to educational resources for not just formal education but self learning, that you can actually use a podcast to teach somebody. And so we sampled 3 different articles to kind of look in 3 different perspectives on educational podcasts or podcasting in the educational
industry if you would. We're talking about open educational resources for OERs, which are, you know, textbooks, streaming videos, simulations, courseware software and podcast now. We're talking a little bit about audio narratives and teaching kids how to do digital media analysis production skills. It's kind of like a project to learn how to use this technology as a mode of communication.
And realistically, how podcasts in the classroom can be beneficial to not only children's learning, Maybe even literacy. That's kind of 3 big huge topics to think about of as a resource, as a learning tool and possibly as a almost as an extra
element to inspire children to wanna read or become excited about reading. I think it's pretty cool. So let's get into that. Let's kinda talk about today. And of course with me as always is is my buddy Tim and Tim is going to wind us through the educational system because Tim used to be an educator. That's right, Kyle. So I when we had this topic brought to us, presented to us. Naturally,
I gravitated towards it. I was like, oh, yeah, this makes a whole lot of sense because I've got a Masters in theater education and my job is to teach soldiers how to become veterans.
And how to break out of the whole military role and come into a a the civilian workforce. And when you said, hey, Tim, let's do a thing on, you know, putting podcasts in the schools and and what that all the wonderful things that that can do for us, it immediately brought me back to we're gonna go down memory lane here a little bit. There we go. Queue that meeting him. Excellent. We are now in the So
it it it brought me back to that. And I was thinking of my first year in grad school is I was introducing to the grad grad department, Blackboard. This is something that you and I have used for many, many years as a federal employee. I we use Blackboard
for a lot of the classes that we do. It's a great way to share stuff. And I was introducing that to my grad department way back in 2000 and way back Okay. It's 8 years ago. But I mean, I'm in George Mason. I'm in George Mason, alumni, and, of course, Blackboard is pretty big at George Mason. And my kids all went to Northern Virginia high schools. Blackboard's huge there. Now we're talking, you know, 20, what, 2006 to 2013
time frame. So even so Blackboard's from way way back. So Blackboard's been around for a while. It's been around for a minute, and it's a great way for folks to now I we're gonna get into podcast and why podcasting is great in the classroom, but we need to kind of set that a little bit of the groundwork, sure that there's been other technologies that have been introduced, that are very effective, that are used commercially and out in the workforce
to to accomplish this. And I think podcast is the next step, but when I was using Blackboard way back in the day, I had to teach all the other professors
and there was a big learning curve from there because they were not and the theater department was not tech savvy. Alright? They they really way email was, like, crazy, wicked. You know, let let's do the email once in a while. My professor still had an AOL account back in 2000. I'm like, oh, a AOL. I've been dead for 10 years. Come on. In 2000, I was saying that. So But I found it was very useful because I could collaborate with my other classmates and I didn't have to be in the same classroom.
I worked 3 jobs in grad school. Alright? I I taught 3 classes, I taught speech, intro to a theater, and
a workshop class. And so it was really difficult for me to have little study dates with my peers so I could do the little steady dates on my own. I'm a night out anyways. I stay up till, you know, 2, 3, 4, 5 o'clock in the morning, and then, you know, plow at it the next day, at least I did in college. So it was a great tool to use for that. And then I'm looking at it. Podcasting. And we when we attended Mavcon this year, we
ran into a Jeff over at a teacher cast and he has a whole thing on showing educators, mostly AV educators, but how to introduce podcasting into into their educational setting. And the 3 articles that we have here are very good articles on different ways you can do that. I remember Jeff from teacher cast, and and his his talk was very intense about using podcasting and his I mean, he was highly enthusiastic about how this medium and impact education.
And I really think well, I really think his he no. Don just got me just kinda bouncing off of what what Jeff was talking about, but also not what you're talking about too, as far as the technology is once upon a time, teachers hate a blackboard. Never use blackboard. Didn't wanna be part of it. They were late adopters. You had to almost even even my youngest is going to to college now still. Teachers are still we're talking 2018.
Still resistant to using Blackboard as their day to day activities. They're still posting things to Facebook. They're still posting things to email. They're still posting things to things that or or you have this this massive portal in front of you that's been paid for. It's been used by the the educational system, at least here in Virginia, for 1, almost 20 years. Still have teachers having difficulty doing this. And now we bring along podcasting.
We have this this digital medium which when you show it to an educator, the first thing they think is, oh, with radio. Why do I wanna do radio? This is a class about literature. Or why don't do radio? This is, you know, we're doing history. Or with technology? What do I need? What do I need microphones for? But when you get them to understand
that it's not the thing that they have to be concerned about, It's my favorite quote. It's not the thing. It's the thing that gets you to the thing. And when they connect the 2 to the learning piece, I think that is where a bang for your buck really comes into.
They do. They are they are not seeing it quite yet, but seeing people like Jeff and teacher cast go down that road to say, hey, I can put so much information and so much education into a podcast, or I can do abstract learning It's asynchronous.
They can learn whenever they want to. They can take it with them and the quality is starting to become so much better when you think about it as a not just as I only teach using a podcast, but I use I use a podcast to teach with. Again, we go back to the open educational resource the OBR we're talking about from the first article -- Mhmm. -- textbooks, streaming video, simulations, courseware,
software. So that's what courseware and software. We're talking about, you know, Blackboard and some of the true the the the quiz tools and teaching tools, streaming video, of classrooms and educational speakers, those kind of things, textbooks, you know, hard core written data and facts, and now podcasts joins the fray. What do you think about that?
I I think it's it's the natural progression because Now I've got a stepson. He's 17 years old, and I stepped into his life about 5 or 6 years ago, he never brought home a tech book. He's always bringing home a tablet, or he's bringing home a Chromebook. Oh, excellent. The kids today, they're already familiar with podcasting. You know, it's been going on since 2004, 2005.
So they're familiar with it. It's something that they've grown up with just like you and I, we've always grown up with having, you know, a computer in the house. Or, you you know, for some of us, in quite a habit when we're born, but within a few years, you know, we were there was computers in the house. At least by the time I was 10, we had a computer in our house. And so it's it's a technology that we're familiar with that we understand the teachers that are a generation
behind us because I'm a gen xer. Teachers are behind us. They don't get the technology as much, and they're finding themselves being left behind and their students know more than they do. It's as as an instructor, that is intimidating. You don't it's it's a great learning tool, but it's intimidating for folks that
of that generation shall we say of that baby boom generation where they're not in control of it. They don't understand how it works. They don't understand the adoption of it. So I can understand their hesitancy to it, but, you know, we gotta move on and we gotta use this technology because look at all the kids out there today with different learning disabilities.
And I don't look them as learning disabilities. They're looking them as challenges. We just have to figure way around that challenge and what better way than to put on a pair of headphones and get really intimate with a narrator
or with the presenter and do it through a podcast. Those are excellent. Those are excellent points. In fact, I I would even raise you that Seth Godin and he's won his recent podcast on Kimbo, talked about how the education system was designed to build factory workers and it did it was really good at that. It was a 1 size fits all solution to educate as many kids in the same process as as as possible. In order to get them, you know, to build a car or build a refrigerator or build a microwave.
Well, the economy is not built that way anymore. So the education system needs to mod up to modify itself, it needs to adapt to overcome, and
the 1 size fits all, doesn't work. We know this. I mean, because we both have kids and you have, you know, of course, you have you have you have splits, mine, mine are older, but you know, we've we've kind of like seen every different kind of aspect of the education system for the past 20 years. You start to really understand that the 1 size fits all, not only does it not work, It's kind of counterintuitive
to to education as it is because each kid learns differently. Heck, even you and I learn differently. And on -- Mhmm. -- if you if you think about the the the way you can customize an educational experience and how when I say customize and you talked about being intimate I think is an excellent point, you know, perspective to take of customizing an education
where I can it's just me talking to a student. And it feels that way. That kind of 1 on 1 is hard to get when you have a classroom of 30, 40 kids or maybe you're a high school teacher. You have a hundred and 20 kids because you have, you know, 5 periods of kids of, you know, big huge classrooms. But if they can take my podcast home on a lecture or on a topic or on examples, It's just me talking to I'm gonna say Johnny because, you know, you know, that's just the catch all. Right?
But and me talking to Johnny, we're talking to Susie. That'll be our 2 fictional kids. Right? But being able to to talk to them in a way like, hey, let's do step 1. Hey, let's do step 2. It's just me. And that student having a conversation. Where in a classroom, he might feel isolated, lost, afraid to ask a question. Or in a podcast, now I have this interaction, and then I use I put all the other tools together, and now I have a what works and what doesn't work. I now have almost
a passport, if you would. I've ever in the Olympics are talking about these these athletic passports. To bring around that tells you not only what you've done, but also includes things like your blood history and all the other stuff. Right? Because they're all that doping problems. Right? But in the education scene, think about your your your what's the word I'm looking for? A portfolio maybe, but you're you're individually created educational profile
to where I know the student learns visually. I know the student learns audibly. I know the student requires examples. I can the more tools I have in order to deliver that, I think the better off a student is. I think there is gonna oh, dare I make a prediction so early? Oh, you look at what prediction? I'm gonna make a prediction. I think 20 19 is gonna see an explosion of educational resources or educational based podcasting that's designed specifically for the classroom.
That's that's my prediction for 20 19. I I I I think it's already happening you talked about early adopters, late adopters, and, you know, we we talked about Blackboard being a latent. I think a teacher that gets it a teacher that's really that's good in understanding how to leverage this stuff will become
a teacher that gets to keep their job. In the 20 19, 20 20. Because I think there's gonna be that that kind of, you know, it'll clear out the, clear out the junk because the educational system is starting to do that thing where everyone's not gonna keep a job forever in educational and forever. They're gonna eventually start to say, look, we need a different type of teaching. I think it's it's late in coming. There's a renaissance waiting to happen in education or I think I think I heard
some millionaire or billionaire talk about. There's a disruption level event, just waiting to happen in education. You're already starting to see it in in magnet schools, in private schools, in certain, like, you know, very small universities, these type of these training environments. And even the bigger universities are starting to get involved, but
that's what I think. That's there's a past due sense. Well, Kyle, I'm gonna I'm gonna springy article on you that you're not ready for. Oh. It's a small article, though. It it's 1 that we weren't looking at. So we'll actually have 4 articles, and it's by NPR to darkorn. They have their podcast challenge, their student podcast challenge. And that's gonna be for ninth and twelfth graders, and they're gonna make their own podcast. This is already happening. You know,
NPR is is doing their thing. There's other places out there doing contests for podcasts. There's podcast festivals happening all around the country where they're bringing in the kids
because the educational system isn't quite there yet. It's not teaching towards a service economy, which is what we're in right now. Alright? Education system is always a little bit behind technology and what's happening in the world. It's just just nature of the beast because you have to train people in order to train people, train other people on how to do the service economy. So we're starting to see that in the educational world, and then podcasting is coming up right behind it with
you know, teaching these kids how to do their own podcast and then how to learn through podcasting. Now 1 thing that I really enjoy about it. And I think you were touching on a little bit, and I'm gonna pound it home here for us -- Okay. -- is how you can you know, because I I you did a lot of lesson plans, and I had
3 different classes that I'm teaching. You know, 1 was a hundred and 20 students, 1 was 60 students, and 1 was 40 students or 30 students. And each of those students, I had to tailor how I'm teaching that class. Now with podcasting, Kyle, how many podcasts are out there? I know you love this number. How many you got? Allegedly. Allegedly. Well, according to Apple Podcasts, iTunes directories, there is a little over 600000 podcasts.
Now whether or not what what is active and what is inactive is still a a a hot lead contested matter of discussion. But, yeah, about 6 600. We'll say Let's say 600. Yeah. Let's say 600. Alright. So out of those, let's give us, you know, 50000 that focus on education, different educational topics.
Alright. Sure. Let's let's you know, your your your regular topic, your I think that's I think that you might be underestimating that, but that's a 50. Sounds good. Well, you know what? I'll say a hundred thousand just so I can do a piece of pure math. Because I think when you talk about the number of podcasts out there, I know you're about that you're gonna use this as but just kind of just a little little sidebar thing here is or podcasts like
like Colonial Williamsburg Pass and Present where they talk about the history of Colonial Williamsburg. It's just the history of it. Now whether or not are you teaching at my classroom? Maybe you are, but there's a whole there's a whole lesson plan already done for you by some people who are heavily invested in history, Dan Carlin's hardcore history.
I didn't know hardly anything about world war 1. My high school didn't teach me world war 1. I was like, hey, there was this war, 20, you know, 19 14, 19 18, and by the way, we were in it. That's kinda like the all I knew about it. It's Germans against the English. Right? Well, George Dan Carlin goes into 5 hours of world war 1, where I know more about world war 1 than I ever
would never be able to read because it was oh, it's coming at me while I'm listening to the drive. I'm on the lawn. I'm listening in the car. I'm listening at work. I'm listening at home. So there's all this content out there that isn't technically education. I'll do my air quotes. Mhmm. Air quotes. Educational, but yet is all is kinda it's It's inadvertently connected to something that an educator could leverage. It's already prepackaged and ready to go. So that's why I think fifties low.
I think it's a hundred and actually I almost wanna say that I would say that 3 fourths of podcasts in themselves are technically educational. Now whether or not you've checked their facts. I mean, they might be teaching somebody, you know, it's it's not that they're wrong. It's just they talk about so many things that isn't aren't so. So but That's how well research they are. Yes. But I I think that I think that that number, I think, you could usually do a hundred k. Mhmm. And, you know,
you stole my thunder here. Yeah. That's okay. I'm gonna grab that lightning in, put it in the bottom. Take it right back, buddy. Let till let's do this. Gonna ride the lightning. We'll do a little metallic here for us. We're gonna ride that lightning. So cue the music. Thanks, metallic. There's a hundred dollars for you. I agree. Okay. And kids don't use Napster. That's illegal and you'll get sued by a metallic and still go
Lars is not your Napster's friend. No. Not at all. If you see Lars, hang up on him. Anyhow, So Yeah. So so so you're getting into the hundred thousand educational podcast out there. So think about it this way. So you you you you've got your students there. You got your class of 30 folks. Alright. And you use this, you know, the whole classroom kind of thing. Other people use the whole classroom kind of thing. Hey, you've got 30 listeners to your podcast.
It's a classroom. So you got these 30 students here. Not all of them are gonna learn the same way, and they're going to I mean, 1 of the reasons why we love podcasting is we can listen to it at our leisure when we're ready to listen to it. If we work well with multitasking, which is debatable if we truly work learn and work well multitasking.
But if that's the way we feel we learn best, Boom. You can throw in a podcast, listen to it, and then discuss it. And there even is podcast out there, which is a podcast brunch. That they discuss podcasts. They're probably They're podcasting. So you could bring that into your Yeah. Exactly. They they're also podcasting. About podcasting. Talking about a podcast that talks about podcasts. Exactly. Kevin Bacon's in there somewhere.
But you can you can have your topic listen to all these other podcasts about it and then bring the students back in and go, okay, what did you find out and allowed them which the educational system doesn't help students to think. They it gives students facts and figures stuff that they can go on to, you know, our good friend, Google, a hundred bucks, Google -- Mhmm. -- and find out and get, you know, a hundred thousand hits on World War 1, probably multi million hits on World War 1.
But using, you know, using that and the hardcore hits hardcore history, 5 hours of World War 1. Let's say a kid wants to, you know, really get involved in that. They can get really engrossed in that or they can find somebody else that's, you know, doing a podcast on All Quiet on the Western Front, you know, the literature that came out of world war 1 -- Yeah. -- or the art that came out of World War 1. And that's tailored.
Kids still learning about World War 1, but they're learning what interests them. Not everyone is going to be interested in just the general facts and figures of it. And when when were we in, who was involved, blah blah blah. They might they might wanna branch out and go, okay. So there's this whole art movement happening with the futurists and the dataists
and this not the other thing, a lot of other iss, and they can dive into that aspect of it and find a whole new world of it. And that engages them and engages what they're interested in, what they're passionate about. I would even say that when I was taking classes, Sometimes the instructor does the way they explain it and the way that they go about doing it isn't doesn't cut it. And hearing it from a different perspective, from a different person, seements or uncomplicates
the thinking there to help them see it from a different point of view. I think that's another huge advantage that this can provide is it not only it's like it don't take my word for it. Here here are some alternative ways of having it presented that maybe a student will go, oh, that's what they meant by that. It just has to be maybe it's maybe it's the person is just the way they talk. Maybe it's their point of view, maybe it's their, you know, life experiences
that cause the student to engage on a level that this teacher isn't engaging with. Think that's another you almost like you're bringing in, like, guest speakers that you don't have to actually, you know, you don't have to actually schedule them. You know, the appointment media of podcasting is, you know, hey, we're gonna listen to our guest speaker. It's Dan Carlin. Dan Carlin, here he is. Here's the link, you know. Now you get to listen to the guest speaker, Dan Carlin,
on this link, and click there, and listen to him, and then we'll talk about what he had to say. He's not actually in the room You didn't actually bring him to your school, but you have Dan Collins for 5 hours on a topic that you were talking about in your class for the next 2 weeks. You can't and it pay it's all free. You don't have to pay for any of that. Yeah. And and the thing of it is is that it's easily accessible and available
to any of your students. Let's talk socioeconomic status of these students. How much does it cost to get a podcast? Much do we charge for Pod rack? There you go. There we go. 0 99. 0 99. What? If you wanna send us a check, we will cash it. No. We won't. Yeah. Absolutely. But we will we will frame it. We'll we'll definitely we'll definitely frame it. But generally, absolutely right. Yeah. You you can't
you can't pay for this. Now now, you know, quality sources, you know, whether or not, but as the educator who understands the material, you will have already done the vetting. So you know which quality, which sources are good because you're already doing as far as your your lesson plan. Are you not? Mhmm. You should be. Ed, as an educator, when I was educating we definitely research our sources like crazy.
We had to put it up to our faculty advisors, and they would be like, yay or nay, and they pull it off that ways.
You know, think about you know, not all the kids are gonna have money to buy books. Right? And they're gonna lose books. But I you know what? I tell you with the explosion of podcasting, you know, I if they're an iPhone, Apple person, fantastic. It's native. It's already in your iPhone. Boom. They can get that information and rock it out. And the thing of it is is that there's no excuse. The dog didn't eat my homework. You know, my my school book didn't get, you know, run over by the bus. You got the podcast right there. Download it, rock it out, make it happen. You know, you get it on your phone. You got the Android, you got your Google app, podcast, you got Pocket Gas, whoever,
you're getting your stuff through Android. Boom. You can have it on your laptop, you can have it on your Chromebook, You can listen to it on the bus to the way to the school. You can listen to it while you're watching the football game, while you're on your prom date. It's all over the place and it's all free free sources out there for you. And like you were saying, you know, some people have an exciting voice and they can teach anything.
And there's Dave Jackson's sail time. It's a it's it's a madman in a whiz or something. Yeah. His 2 characters. The wiz. Yeah. So you yeah. I agree. I mean, Dorothy, if if you listen to hardcore history, and Carlin's voice is like, could listen him read the phone book. He just has this like magical melodic
sound to his voice that's so so so I can't listen to it while I'm laying in bed. Or I'm I'm done. You know, I've done it. I had to go back, like, an hour on some of my podcast with him because of the way he talks. He's, like, so soothing. But if I'm if I'm doing something else where I'm focused and listening to him. And he's just the way the way he presents facts and and interesting things,
makes it worthwhile. And I think as an educator, you're already vetting your sources, you're already looking at articles, you've already read the source material, you you probably have listened to these episodes. You know which ones are good. So the whole excuse of well podcasting is amateur and it's guys in the mom's basement and it's not factual.
That's up to you to decide. You to decide whether or not to quality resource. And sometimes, it's not the fact that it's a, you know, quality resource. And maybe they don't keep talk about all the facts. It's the way they present it. It's presented in a way that you're not getting through to a kid that they are. So use it, leverage that ability. Not only is it, you know, amplify what you've already said, but you give them the ability to now be excited about education.
Was the last time you had it, kid be excited about something. And the other thing too is and I was just thinking about this as you were talking there, Kyle. You can reach out to these podcasters. Now, you and I, you know, we we attend a lot of podcasting events, festivals, and and whatnot. And we've meet ups and we've run into a lot of podcasters that you could use in your in your education plan
national gallery of arts. They have the the slow art where she talks about the girl that runs that 1 she talks about 1 painting. And her whole thing is, you know, when you go through a museum or a gallery to, you know, take 5 minutes per painting. And, you know, you're only gonna get through, like, 10 or 12 paintings,
but not just to, you know, fly by it, but she'll take 1 painting for 10, 15, 20 minutes. Give you the history of the artist. Give you what the painting looks like. She's very descriptive and how she does it. And you know what? She's very receptive. Through the email and, you know, for meeting in person and all that good stuff, you can reach out and talk to her, research her stuff, to vet her, If you feel if you get a warm fuzzy, boom, you throw that in your classroom,
and you're done. Here's the huge advantage to that to that 1 idea right there is we live 20 minutes or 30 to 40 minutes. Okay. We live in the worst traffic ever. So let's get realistic. We live an hour away from DC. Not that far, but it it is that far. Where this art hangs on the wall. Monday through Friday, there it is. There we every weekend is right there. We can go up there and look at that. If you're in a school in Los Angeles, or Seattle, or Chicago, or Omaha,
or Tulsa, or, you know, what have you? It's all like Saint Louis, it's all like city, Orlando, BC is long ways away. Plus taking a whole troop of troop of kids out there, disrupts from a classroom, that's a field trip, you know, it's actually accountability and logistics and all that kind of stuff. Right? The whole big trip to DC, here's an ability to take podcasters who
live and work in DC who talk about DC things. In particular, like you're talking about the art, you can find that art piece on Wikipedia. There's the art piece on the wall. You're someone describe not only describe how it was painted, but why it was painted and by who and what the history little piece behind that and doesn't have to be very long. You can almost take your classroom
to there. And I I would say, it's People will go, well, video does that too, man. Let me tell you something. Yeah, it does. It could also take you there. But here's the advantage about the podcast is here's the lesson plan. Here's the piece of art I want you to look at. Here's a video, here's the podcast. If I'm doing something else like riding the bus or
what have you, where I downloaded that the podcast, I can listen to it and not have to look at it in a sense that, like, a video where I have to focus on the video because some people are not visual learners. Some people are audio, learners. Audible. Audio? Audio? Auditory. There's the watery. There you go. There's the word of the day, Auditory. Auditory is learners. So they're gonna find that that whatever method works best for you. You use them in combination.
You know, we're not telling you how to educate. We're just saying that podcasting has become the next tool that you will use. Guarantee it. In fact, we that was a prediction just a couple minutes ago. That it's gonna be the next tool. And not like that, we we we in the show notes, over at the pod rack dot com, we have a New York Times article
that talks just about that, about merging project based learning in the digital media using analysis production skills where you can get kids involved in creating their projects using podcasting, or you as an educator can use some of these tools to do it yourself and create lessons plans or or some of your lectures
in an audio form that you can put on iTunes and just Tell your kids, this is the lecture series for this classroom for the year. You wanna jump ahead. You wanna listen to this stuff that's going ahead. You can listen to all these things. You can you can be that educator that not only is teaching your classroom in the classroom you're looking at to see their eyeballs, but now you're allowing people to come and listen to your lectures
from far away. Maybe not even from the United States. It could be people wanted to learn about what you're teaching from other countries. Whoa. I mean, we're talking about expanding that. I mean, case in point, I had to take a class at the at the at my college on anatomy and physiology, which is, you know, we're talking It's not biology 1 0 1. We're getting the bones and muscles and how it all connects, you know, body part, you know, all the mechanics of the human body.
Really really heavy stuff. It starts to lead you down the road for premed. Now, you can get the book. The book is great. You can listen to the lecture series that the teacher put out at the local community college or the local university. That's great. I found a doctor who taught at Stanford who not only did a video series or a podcast series on how to understand those kind of topics. That's the kind of leverage I'm talking about where I went to Stanford for a semester. I didn't pay any tuition.
I didn't have to go to classroom. I didn't have to move to California. I was able to take a class from Virginia. That's the power. And yes, it's video, it's audio, it's all those things. But you start to be able to to be able to digital medium starts to be able to travel. It travels a lot. And now you're starting to get students that you didn't even know you had. Exactly.
And then the actual teaching on how to make the podcast, teaching about a bit rate in audio way in waves, and using different programs and using microphones, different laptops, different setups, you're talking about the science behind, how sound bounces off walls, how you're gonna set up your perfect studio. When I was in college at SIU, we had a class on physics. And what they did with that class is they made that whole class on how to set up your how to build your own speaker system. Your own
Wi hi fi system, that Wi Fi, your whole hi fi system and how to set yourself up with speakers, but it was all based on physics. So sound waves and how that applies to physics. I was so interested in that class that I went out after the professor was, you know, done with his lecture for the day, and I made my own speakers. And I paid attention. I made sure that I cleared out my schedule. That way, I would not miss any class whatsoever.
I I was totally engaged because he was taking physics, which a lot of people like, ugh, but he was making it into something that you can actually use. Now a lot of times when we're in in high school, we go, hey, am I ever gonna use that geometry class? No, I'm never gonna use it. You know, why should I pay attention to it? But when you tie it into a actual physical project
that they can go ahead and do. That's what NPR is doing. This is a New York Times article. That's what they're talking about doing. Teach the kids the science behind it. The, you know, if you get the I'm the artsy fartsy of Pod rack here. Okay? I'll admit that. But you teach them the art behind podcasting, how to do voice acting, how to create your show logo,
in your cover art. How to do marketing? That's that hit your business kids right there. How do you market at your podcast? So you're talking about All Source. You're taking STEM. You're taking performance arts, you're taking business pieces, and you're starting to move shit altogether. You're saying that it has tentacles into all sorts of things that educators are doing. Absolutely. I you know, journalism, and the only thing that I don't think it gets into is football.
But then you can report on a football game. Well, yeah. What about sports prod, you know, sportscasting on top of that? In fact, not only does sports cast thing, but you could I mean, how many sports that are done at the high school or even college level? Don't get airtime. Now there's a podcast for that. Now I can listen to what the local Quidditch team did at their at their magical fest they did in Maryland.
I know it's called something else, but what's a will go with magic vest, where you can you can actually not only be on the field talking about what happened, but also have a commentary with players, and talk to other people who like the sport of people who, you know, go really interested in finding what happened, who couldn't go, or want to know how the team I mean, you could think what sport would not love that? Every single sport in a college or in a high school environment
would love to have media dedicated to their sports. They would. And now is is a podcaster, a microphone, and a little bit. I mean, you could you could you could teach People could become sports and bouncers or be involved in sports media or let's get some math in here, sports analytics. Can totally go into these type of fields podcasting becoming the conduit that could get you there and the educators using this could definitely inspire kids to do something they never thought was possible. Yep.
And it's, you know, they're they're stepping into it timidly. But like like you're saying, there there is an event that is getting ready to happen that is going to disrupt everybody and just force this to the forefront. And, you know, folks we might as well get on board with it because when I was working, gonna do a little side story here, a little side thing here, and when I was doing unemployment,
working with veterans that, you know, were 50, 60 years old. They're out of a job. They've been working blue collar. And I'm like, hey, listen. You know, we gotta get on these laptops. We gotta learn, you know, Microsoft office. Gotta get these computer skills, and they're like, it's a fad. And they were telling me this in the mid 2 thousands and they're like,
It's a fanny, like, always down for 30 years, pal, and it's gonna surpass you. It's either you hop on the, you know, you you can hop on the bus. And go along with us, or you can get left in the it left in the dust. Hop on the bus, go with us, or get left in the dust. Boom. There you go. There you go. Let's put down on the Christmas real. Yeah. There you go. And I think I think you stumbled onto something that I see as the threat I think universities
and I'm gonna pick on universities because they're great to punch. I think the way you solve student debt is in the university system is simple. Refund 50 percent of my tuition, please. We don't need yet another giant monster building because I talked about how I took a class at Stanford. I didn't pay any tuition. You know, they put that out on the airwaves. Of course, they're not teaching, you know, you know, some of the bigger classes, but smaller classes. Well, universities
that have the ability to have students who can listen to their content but not actually pay for their content. Does that threaten a university's money making machine. I think the answer is yes, and I think that's not a bad thing. I think the university system could use a shakeup. And I think we even talked about a little earlier because I think there's a renaissance coming. I think the university system is gonna reach a level of ridiculousness.
When it comes the amount of money you're paying for classes based upon the quality of education you're getting for those of that money -- Mhmm. -- that's going to cause it to implode in a sense where there's gonna be some heavy hitters. And I've heard, like, Gary V and people like that talk about the university system really not surviving the next economic crunch because no 1 wants to pay 30000 dollars a semester to go to the local county school podcasting
becomes that survival mechanism, especially for a teacher of an educator, is if you can create your content with a podcast, You can formulate your structures in a way for podcasts because a lot of a lot of the stuff you do, some of the learning that takes place, some of the cool ideas and dialogues you get, happen right in the classroom. Were you able to record that? Were you able to to to bottle that lightning? We keep bottleing that lightning. We got a whole bottle. A whole 6 pack of lightning going on here. If you were able to do that, could you imagine
the book you could write from that? And not only the book you write from that, but how about the series you could build from courseware you could build for that, that you could sell on the side. Maybe you don't even need to be a teacher universe anymore. Maybe now you're an entrepreneur. There could be. I mean, I know. I know I'm I'm I'm I'm looking way down the road, but I'm a big picture guy. So seeing podcasting become that conduit for an educator who thinks that,
you know, I'm all I'm good for is an associate professor at this, you know, at this, you know, public university. I think that you have the ability to really take yourself even further. Mhmm. That's that's I know. I got a little warm with Kyle. No. But, Kyle, you you brought up some really good stuff they're in. What I'm gonna I'm gonna do my prediction. 0. 0. 0. 0. We go get 2 predictions in 1 episode folks. This is how it happens. Congratulations
to my fellow listener. This is what happens. You get not 1, but 2, that's what we do. We deliver twice as much content than any other podcast about podcasting allegedly. There you go. Alright. What's your prediction, Tim? What do you what do you got for me? So, you know, your prediction was it's gonna explode in 20 19. It's gonna be really huge. My prediction is what's gonna happen is that the teaching about how to podcast,
that aspect is going to lead the way. I don't know that there's gonna be an explosion in 20 team. I I think the educational world is a little too entrenched right now. Everyone is, you know, focused on, you know, getting these online degrees from these online universities. I think enough people are gonna be churned away from the online universities to go Let me learn how to do this podcasting thing or let me learn it from our podcast.
Or there's gonna be a wave of podcasters that are going to be like Udemy or Coursera or MIT open courseware. And set up their own educational, quote unquote, university, but it's gonna be a new kind of university that's gonna happen. I think we still need a university structure to be in place because we can't get it. It's been around since the time of the Greeks.
So we're gonna have that kind of a structure. The structure is gonna be different from what it is now, whereas it's brick and mortar with online as a side dish. But I think podcasters are going to in edge you know, folks that have a degree in edge occasioning. I'm hoping I'm 1 of them, and I'm leaving the way, and they name it after me. But, you know, Tim I'm trying to get to the technology. Which is the Tim Brian online podcasting University. The Tim Brian institute technology, the t bitch.
The t bit. The t bit. What do you get? The fighting slug. The fighting slugs. That's right. The fighting bananas. The the fighting banana slug. My banana slows. Yeah. I think you're I think you're right. And I think you're right. And I think you're right. And I think I'm saying my prediction is that podcasting is gonna be used in the classroom.
10 times more than it has before in 20 19. Because I don't really know it's being do it. It was being done in 20 18, but it's kinda kinda hush-hush. We don't really wanna talk about it. But hearing some of these talks and some of these these conferences we've gone to. I'm hearing it starting to pop out all over the place. A little little snaps and pops here, little pockets. Mhmm. You're talking about creating a university system,
kind of online university system using podcasting as a cornerstone. I think that's really cool. That's a really cool idea. Would like to say, we're gonna take it. Go ahead of the classroom and build our own -- Yeah. -- I think I think well, you know, you heard to hear folks you're you're you're first folks. Tim and I trademarking in public, which apparently that's a I was told by someone that you never trademarked in public, but screw everyone else's was the idea
is cheap. Implementation is expensive. That's where the real money is is execution. Right? Idea. If you guys wanna do this as the idea, go forward. You can have it. However, execution's worth that. I would like to caution our educator listeners with this 1 caveat is know where your content came from. Don't be snake in content from your your your educational still institution.
Don't be plagiarizing other people. No where it came from. No who said what, you know, give credit or credits to. Know what you can and can't say in the classroom based upon your school's policies. And when they're not, they can trademark that stuff or whatever if you decide to sell it. Right? A lot of times, given way for free, sometimes even has some catches. So know your legality of that stuff.
Once you know that stuff, boom. Sky's a lemon. Podcasting, I mean, I mean, Tim and I didn't have to, like, you know, put food on the table. We could do this 18 hours a day. We could be putting out content like crazy. We could have 10 podcasts each. We could really be jamming this stuff out. So as a as an educator with a hundred and 20 students in your classroom or whatever you have, you could I mean, you give what? Think about a normal college semester.
16 weeks? You're talking to them, what, maybe an hour, maybe 2 hours a day on those each week? At 16 episodes. Oh, how long would it take you to record 16 episodes? Heck, even if you mic ed yourself in the classroom, how long would it take you to do 16 episodes? Not long. You could create an entire
lecture series based upon what you do in the classroom in a matter of weeks. They do that over the summertime. And then you expand on it. You update it. You know, as the knowledge gets better or as you find better resources, you update it. That's the the cool thing about broadcasting is I don't have to the the video
that involves a camera and making my hair rights and And whether or not I'm looking into your eyes on his other's way the production is way high. The learning curve is way high. I've got a microphone I'm just talking. The production level of I need to know for podcasting is much lower in video. That's why it's so cool. That I can just talk off. All that stuff have been crammed into my head for years. They've been telling kids, I can now read it a microphone
and that can tell new kids. Maybe because I haven't even met yet. Here is something here is here is what I think. And as a educator, I cannot see how you don't think that's cool. Mike drop. Excellent Mike drop. Well, don't drop the mic, dude, that you've got a very nice ATR 2100 Don't drop I mean, it's only 60 bucks. Metaphorically. Drop the hial. Drop, you know, that you can drop Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's Absolutely.
I I think a a point that I'd like to get across to is, you know, to the folks that are in the educational realm that are that that are listening to this podcast. The thing of it is is that you don't you're you're not going to be replaced if you don't want to be. There's a lot of fear for that. Yeah. There's a lot of fear of the technology. You know, I don't understand this too well. Podcasting
is it can be easy to get into or it can be very difficult to get into. It can be easy if you're with people that know how to do the podcasting. You know, Kyle has a fantastic podcast for, you know, pod feeding, which really talked about that. And I would definitely have a, you know, if you're, you know, listening to this in an educator listen to pod feeder to not only to, you know, avoid the pod feed. And, yeah, this is this is a blurb for your show. Pod feeder dot com. Hunter Brooks.
I'll figure that out on the part. So what you can myself bring that out to Kyle is you really go through the steps on how to make a successful podcast and how to keep it vibrant and going. Yeah. And I kinda did that as an education series as what's the process of of going through almost and I hate to say this, but almost as almost like an alcoholic anonymous kind of way of looking at it, is in the podcasting world, you
Things die, things end. And there's a process for ending them and bringing them back. And that's really kind of what that is. So Yeah. Cool. I appreciate that. That's I mean, and and and this is the same thing too with I'm gonna I'm gonna flip that right back on you with k d o I. Podcasting about talking about arts
is getting inside the head of different artists and finding out what makes them tick and their mews and why they go out doing the kind of art they do. I think you've you have caught on to a way of interviewing, especially artists that I think is is very I think it's it's not only educational, I think it's important
and I've heard other artists listening to your show, say that. Like, oh, I didn't really think of it that way. I think that's really the kind of the the key too about both of those are our perspectives on different topics, and it's it's unique to us. I think as an educator doing podcasting, if you're doing a podcast, that's an on for topic free classroom, it's your point of view, it's your perspective. It's your sources and experiences that makes it unique
And 2 people can have the same podcast about World War 1, and both of them will be different. And both of them will be good. It's not a 0 sum game. Both can be good and that both of those things can be true at the same time. And you're not teaching to a test. That's that's the microphone drop that I'm gonna put there. I like that. In Virginia, we have the SOLs, and I'm talking about standards of learning, not the other SOL. Such an unfortunate name.
Somebody wasn't thinking when they named it that new, but too. They obviously weren't in the navy because I know navy guys would think that I'm an air force guy. I would think that initially. So anyhow, that's in the Christmas real. An AI, but you're not teaching to a test. You're teaching,
okay, we're gonna go way back here. So we're going all the way back to silk crates back into the groups here. And and his thing was to, you know, be excited about knowledge, to gain knowledge, to continually ask questions, to learn how to think, to, you know, to to define what what ideas that you're trying to get across to define your terms. And that's what I'm hoping that we evolve
back into. I I I think, you know, when we're teaching to these tests, we're teaching the SATs, the ACTs, teaching the SOLs, and and we have all these gatekeepers to knowledge
that keep a lot of people out people want knowledge. And I'm and and I gotta believe in in my heart, and I'm getting I'm gonna get hippie, dippie here. When I get my educator head on here and my goodwill stuff, I gotta believe that podcasting can lead the way can give the technology, can give the format for everyone to hop on a pair of headphones, you know, if you're if you're commuting to work fantastic,
go ahead and listen to a podcast, learn something new every day. And that's what needs to happen. And I'm very hopeful that it's gonna happen. The only way it's gonna happen is educators get behind it. We lose the old the old way. We build our new university. And make it happen for everybody. And that's what I got for you today, Kyle, and for all the listeners out there in Pod Rec plan.
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