Episode 98: Girl Friday

podcasting 2.0 for August 19 2020 to Episode 98 It's a girl Friday. Hello everybody, welcome once again to podcasting 2.0 The one and only official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 the progression of podcasting. Hey, no, it will change things by the time we hit 20 Everything happening in podcast index.org The namespace which we'll be talking about today and of

course everything that goes on in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who put the V in value for value say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

I told I told our top secret guests like as as we were getting ready to launch I said you know usually the way this happens you went you you did a pre show go to the little podcasters I said okay, usually how this happens is while when Adam goes goes into the intro, I'm just I'm furiously typing and trying to post these things to Twitter and Mastodon all at the same time. And but this time I'm going to be all calm and get it done set up and good. Yeah, free

and then what happened? I'm currently right in the middle of furiously typing. Oh, indeed. We did. Did you? Did you look at the clips I got your clips I didn't I never look at anybody's clips. That's no don't even look he didn't know and look at the names or anything. Yeah, I looked at the names and I saw something that I saw previously. But otherwise now I have no idea. You need to take special attention to the ISO yeah, there's I believe there's two of them.

Yes the fruit one there's there's that one there's there's another one because I had to I had to go to the defense of another chicken from a halt this Oh no. Wait a minute. Are you down to one chicken at this point? No, I saved this one's life. We're literally saved this chickens live up to man. Take some coffee. And I hear you're all this nuts in the backyard. And I know, I know the sound this time you know didn't like you remember when you had

chickens? When you had your kitten when you had your kids? Your kid and I've spent several years trying to forget but okay, if you want to bring me back to that pain? Yes. Little little I still have some I still have Oh, little infant. Okay. Christina 30 years ago. Yeah. Okay. And you could always tell as the parent you could tell the difference between uh, oh, yeah. Yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. Well, this way it is with chickens. You can tell bulk

distress versus just by a sound Sure. Versus an egg is coming out distress and yeah, like, and I hear distress. And I ran I ran out in this hole was standing on top of the chicken. Oh, no. And the ending was just like a hawk Hawk now Hakan can mess with you. This Hawk was about a foot tall dam and when pew pew this was a special Hawk is a second this is cool. Hold on that's what I should have done. I should have brought a bullet pellet rifle. And by the by the backdoor. This chicken was so

sad though. I mean, like, I saw the Hawks standing on and you could look at his face. And it's like, it's like it's over. It is and now you already struck at him. I don't know what he did. But I went out there and you know, and clap my hands and he flew off and then the chicken get jumped up and ran under the deck. So okay. Oh, man. Good to go. Chickens. Dave Jones. Save your chickens everywhere. Yeah, our yard has evidently become known as the most halt as the place to get cheap fresh.

Like cafeteria. Good. Meat, meat and three. Well, I had a very I had a very late night myself not fighting with with Hawks. I did learn a lot about lnd last night. Yeah, I was such a douche. You. You were clearly dealing with something and I just want the best. So everyone went to bed. So let me explain the product. Let me explain the problem. I'll tell you what happened. Okay, okay. So all of a sudden podcast index is not routing to my node at

home. And that's kind of my monitor, you know. So I have very like a 1% split of a lot of different shows just so I can see the booster grams, etc. And it's not routing anymore. Now I have channels I can key send from the index to my note all of that works. And I'm just like, What is going on here? And so, you know, I had three or four channels, I had this mysterious channel for something called Justin Trudeau, which has just been sitting there for a while but has been sending SATs.

Is it him? Is it actually I don't know. But Justin Trudeau is node is connected to a lot of podcasting 2.0 stuff. And, and I have to be honest, that the name really turned me off. So, yeah, so I'm messing with all this. Alright, let me close these channels, let me get rid of fucking Justin Trudeau stuff, well, then nothing came through booths

wouldn't come through. So apparently, the Justin Trudeau channel had been providing me with at least some booster grams for quite a while and the podcast index channels were doing nothing. And then as I'm looking around, I'm seeing that there's different channels across the board. With, you know, some that we've open to other nodes that have this similar problem. That's like, Okay, let me see what's going on. So I really can't figure it out. I do not know what's

happening. Now, of course, I've updated my Umbral, we've updated the podcast index node, everyone's running on lnd 15.01, slash beta up your butt. Who knows what that is? If all it could be anywhere at this point. So I ping Graham, and this is now 930. Because okay, I'm just not getting I'm not getting boosts. I'm not getting streaming SATs, nothing. For those people that don't know, Graham, he's He does, He

doesn't sleep he's made of metal. And in Vudu, I mean, he's so just like, at any time of the night he in response, at 1115, he cut out. He's like, man, I was up really late last night, I gotta hit the hair, I'm gonna make mistakes. It's okay. It's alright. But we did figure out a couple of things. And one is that my chant, none of my channels were syncing to any, to any other channels. So my node wasn't syncing to any other node through a channel. And it turns out, there's a set number,

channel sync peers, and that's default is three. And apparently, our node had none. So that was part of the problem, because, well, now I don't I don't understand what what is the setting or configuration parameter do. So when you open it, so what you have channels that are open, and the way that your node tells the rest of the world, what channels you have open is by an update to the graph. And the graph itself works through the peers. So when your node starts up, by default,

it selects three peers. I don't know what criteria I'm sure that it has some. And it then syncs your graph with that peer, and then that peer supposedly will sync with, you know, so that's kind of how the graph gets out there. It's the it's the gossip is the way it gossip, the gossip. Yes, thank you. Now, meanwhile, I'm looking at the logs. And I'm trying to find out, why are these sets not coming through.

And this is a, this was very educational for me, the way developers sometimes communicate through logs, or lack thereof? Well, so I would get these error messages consistently, which to me meant, okay, it's trying to send me one sat or something. And it would say, can't can't re forward, insufficient bandwidth to forward HPLC. So I kind of understand the HPLC and forwarding that and that's no way to decipher where it's trying to forward to. But insufficient bandwidth is a

weird term. So the first thing I do is I'm like, oh, maybe my node popped on, on this on the Starlink. And let me I'm looking at bandwidth, right? I'm like, maybe Tor is under attack. Graham said that too. Now, there's been some DDoS on Tor to maybe somehow my node came back up and switch to the satellite network. And maybe that's the problem. So it took me a good 45

minutes before I was able to find in some GitHub issue. No, no, this is just how we report when there's not enough liquidity to get to wherever suppose and forward considering payment fees, etc. Okay, tear this is a terrible, very bad, terrible way to describe

it. The word choice here is typical, developer complete, garbage like condition that should that term should never have been used for that description, but I can also see in building the light and light Lightning Network and I can see Adam and de fucking around building this and then we'll be like, Hey, man, it's just like the old peering of bandwidth. You know, let's, so we'll just we'll just look at it as bandwidth not as value. You know, I don't know, I

can see how that happened. But down the road Young. Exactly, I would have said, this is a great name, and then you would have gotten down and now let's not do so. So. Okay, so basically, any channels that were created when these peers were not syncing, never got synced to the graph, and were acting kind of as just private channels, because no one knew about them. And apparently, l&d does not go back later and say, Hey, let me check and make

sure that everyone's everyone's communicated to the graph. So you know, it just took me a long time to close and open channels and make sure that they were showing up on em boss, and then we finally got to work. And as you can hear, there's many pupils coming through. So. And once again, I'm amazed that any of this shit works at all. Oh, is same. So you sent me this is this is related in this. In terms of terminology. You had sent me a document about

lightning node Connect? Yeah, maybe about a week ago or so a couple weeks ago. And had written in my notes, we didn't talk about it at the time on the last show, but I'd written in my notes, this, this type of language in a spec is infuriating. And in a in, here's the quote, this is from this, the spec for lightning node Connect. Lightning node Connect is a protocol that allows a node operator to safely and easily connect a web or mobile application valency does not

require the node to expose any ports. Instead, the application and the node are connected through a proxy server called the mailbox, the connection between node and application are end to end encrypted. Okay. From that wording, do you have any idea of what this thing? No, no, I have no clue. I don't even remember what I sent you. I know it was something that I liked. But I don't think I read the specs or anything. I think I just read like the marketing doc.

This is the top line paragraph graph of the intro. Why did I even send that to you? Why did I send that to you? I mean, what's not? What's an operator? What does that mean? Is that is that the you know, is that me? Because I mean, is that a human being? Because I can't connect to some mobile application? Was it allowing the operator to connect? I don't know what this means. I don't know. Developers should not write documentation. Or logs,

yet. Seems like you're very good at it. Yeah, well, I'm the exception. Well, speaking of, of documentation, I'm very pleased that James Cridland heard the call, took took up the challenge and started building the podcast namespace.org. Very green. Now, he did exactly what I hoped would be done is take take the whatever branding, make it your own, you know, make sure it's all connected, you know, don't try and make an island. And he

seems to make it open if people jump in. I don't know if he does he have collaborators yet if people offered to help, because that's going to take some time to fill all that out. Man, there's a lot of writing to be done. And a lot of work. Let's go to edit this website, which is a GitHub repository. And this website. Yeah, let's see what the commits are. Every single commit is James Kirtland. So nobody is helping with this web site. That's, that's not cool people. James Shea.

But But James, this has about 5000 commits here. So he's, he's Holy crap. He's doing he's he's doing the Lord's work. That's for sure. Yeah. What's it is James created, there's github.com/james Cridland slash podcast. namespace.org. If anybody wants to go and pitch in, like, you can just go to podcast. namespace.org. Yeah. And then you can click on the edit this website at the very bottom left. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. And that will take you to the GitHub repo. Yeah, I

like this a lot. I like it a lot. Can you tell me this party? Because James was saying this morning that as part of trying to find example, screenshots and stuff like that for these tags. He's trying to find, as is, you know, based on the news today, obvious why. He's trying to find examples of transcript transcripts on various apps and how in screenshots and demo videos. Do we know if podcast addict does too Transcripts because I could have sworn it did.

I think I have it. I think I have podcast addict Toronto is it it's showing transcript in the supported tag list on the site, but he said he couldn't you he, he couldn't get it to work and I don't have an Android phone so I don't know how to test it. I do have an Android phone. Let me test I will in fact, I will test one with episodes. We test this one we see visit that's the show notes. Okay, hold on a second. Unnecessary devices. Now let me add paddle. Well, here's here's

something Okay. Here's something that we need to we need to talk about with with James. He doesn't have transcripts in his own shows. No, I thought he did. I think pod land has no iPod news pod way. And now I'm pretty sure pod land has transcripts? I think so. I've seen them I've just don't they come out of Buzzsprout automagically. No, you gotta do it. I think it's an extra step when they hold on. While you're looking at the feed while I'm like I'm not gonna

argue with that. If you're looking at the feed, and I'm gonna Well, I'm I'm opening it right now. Looking at the guy yeah, you live white man speak with forked tongue. Let me see. Oh, here it is. Okay, we're both right. How can that they did not have any transcripts up until up until the last two episodes are the first ones that have transcript. Okay. So Well, the first 90 episodes did not have to let

me say something about transcripts. Because the news is there was a lawsuit against I think Sirius XM, who own where they own Sirius podcast, one XM, whatever, they have Pandora building on Pandora. Right? But they have, they have a podcast, what they buy that pod bean, they bought something. Anyway, so that egg, they got a lot of shows high end talent, etc. So someone and I happen to

know a lot about this. I know a lot about the American with Disabilities Act, I know all the ins and outs dealt with it in many different versions, my wife has dealt with it. And all positive, because the bottom line is complying with the ADA, the Americans with Disabilities Act comes into play when, when it is something that is a public good. So in the case of the Ronald McDonald, house, charities were Tina worked.

Whenever they did a video on their website, they had to have not just a captions or transcript is different, but captions, they also had to have, you know, a secondary track that says man enters the room with a blue manager's room with a blue sweater on, you know, that kind of stuff. Because that is a public good that people, the public need to be able to find out about to make use of this facility, even though it's

private. It's a private nonprofit. Okay. Now, for entertainment shows, I do not see the need for that. Personally, I don't see why not. Um, let's just put that upfront, it makes no sense. It's super easy. There's tons of places you can get it, it makes no sense to just integrate that it really, it's crazy not to do that. However, I do not believe any company should be forced, certainly not. And I think James's words were big commercial companies should be

forced to do anything. You know, if it's under the guidelines of a public thing, you know, then alright, that's different. But it's not just, you're a big commercial company. In fact, I really despise that. Because the next thing that's going to come down the pike is even though he jokingly does it, if you're a commercial podcast every single time you mentioned someone who sponsors you, you have to say it, I'm sponsored by them. That's what this leads to. So I'm not a fan of mandating that

just because, you know, just, you know what I mean? I think the law is fair, when it's a public good. We need the same like we need wheelchair ramps and different bathroom facilities. I'm okay with all that. That makes sense. And that's been argued and that's been you know, there's laws about that, but not just because you're big and commercial. No, I I'd say I think I think I would agree with that just because you're big and commercial angle to that I think

the plant The playing field has to be fair, across the board. I mean, otherwise, you run into a situation where you have just like was in the US for that I'm sure a lot of other countries for a long time, you had this, you had Amazon that enjoyed a note, a no state tax, you know, lifestyle where they didn't have to pay state taxes, therefore, there was always an advantage to

ordering Amazon versus shopping at your local store. Because the local store had to pay you had to pay local city and still in state taxes when Amazon did not. And so it was just basically a huge unfair advantage. Propping up of a big corporation. I mean, in well, we saw the same thing during the pandemic. Yeah, the local mom and pop shops got shut down, you know, in droves. And the only the only stores that could stay open were Amazon. Amazon, Walmart. Right?

Right. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, oh, there just has to be there has to be balance in the way the law is applied. Otherwise, you end up with with it, otherwise, you end up with favoritism in one direction or the other, you know, the big companies should not be unfairly punished themselves. Small companies should not be unfairly punished. They shouldn't. Everybody should be equal under

the law. I don't. I think the problem here though, and then having to figure that out is what qualifies, I guess what qualifies as a public? As a public good, because we can, we can see this, this is what this is what case law becomes what it

becomes? Because Absolutely, when you when you first published something like, you know, when you when you put in an amendment to the to the US Constitution, about interstate commerce, or, you know, equal protection, will they go in meaning one set of things will then eventually they always become, you can morph lots of things to fit the definition of that other of that original meaning sure, in the like, I'm not sure that there's a clear, public good seems, seems vague

enough to be able to apply a lot of a lot of stuff to it. I prefer, like, you know, I mean, maybe it's just my libertarian

tendencies here. But I prefer the idea of let letting you could call it the marketplace, but I don't, I don't really like that term in this in this scenario, you could let pressure be applied by by people who have an interest in so I mean, you know, the lawsuit is one thing, but then also, boycotts are long standing, you know, unions cropped up for this reason, in the day, like that society will self correct a lot of things

without have without needing the hand of government do it. And you know, and I understand that, you know, there's always going to be counter arguments to this, I don't really want to get involved in that. But, but you can see, society shifts in lots of ways over time, that did not depend on the government to do things sometimes in spite of the government trying to do it. Look at a look at marijuana legalization that never came from government that purely came in it was it was ripped from the

hands of government by by society. And, and the public said, we're not going to handle it, we're not going to take this anymore. We want this thing to change, and it's going to change in it. And that's how we wind up with 87,000 More IRS agents because we're so against it. I have definitions for you. Okay, although none of this was written with any online media in mind. And most of it only applies to video not even to podcasts. I don't think audio has, as has been addressed

specifically in any of the law. Captioning or transcripts are required for public entities, including state and local governments of both internal and external communications, and places of public accommodations, which are public or private businesses used by the public at large, private clubs and religious organizations are exempt. So there's still a lot of wiggle room in there in public or private businesses used by the society at large. I

mean, that that could be easily be a podcast app. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. But But bottom line is we I think what you said is it these companies who don't do it, when they easily can, I mean, certainly we have it, we have it on this show. They should just be shamed. I don't have to penalize them. I don't give a shit about that. I don't want that I I despise that part the most. I think people do not appreciate. I think many people

do not appreciate the power of, of the public. Social wave OMA, I don't really know what term to us. Oh, no, no, no, no, they care, but only when it's about a celebrity or something else. They do not get you're gonna trust me on this. Yeah. This has been going on for a long time. There's not enough people who care to make noise about this. They don't care. Do you hear that? Deaf people? People don't care. People don't care about you. And I can't believe I said

that. Do you hear that deaf people will never be invited on to the Deaf podcast. Yes, I will. They love me. They love me. Deaf and Blind. podcasters love me, man. They're just getting to this part of the Braille so not Braille. or what have you. How does that even work? If you're actually deaf? You got to have something you can't listen to a podcast. That's why you need a transcript. Oh, because you still got eyeballs? Yeah, yeah,

exactly. That's it's I would say it's more for people who are hard of hearing but we have so many foreign listeners who love it. It's like oh, you know, I miss some stuff and I can read

along and it's it kind of helps. And I grew up in a country that had subtitles so it's second nature for me and I see only benefit the beautiful The beautiful thing about podcast transcripts too is that like what I was just saying about taking time to catch up like it is on television or or actual Braille if you have to read Braille because I evidently don't know the difference between blind people and deaf people sorry the there's a reason for that by the way is a completely free from

this week but the you know podcast transcripts every every example of a podcast app I've seen there that does transcripts they're like immediate man there Johnny on the spot. It's tracking really good. Yeah. With the spoken word. Yeah. No delay like there is with closed can own broadcast television. Now well, that's real time stuff. And yeah. Okay, what else was I going to say here? Well, I get the the idea about what I totally lost my note

here. Oh, I've got I brought some some clips. I had a in this. This may also work into this week. If you think of it anytime we need to stop and bring our guests and just Yeah, after you. Let's do some clips and we'll bring our guests and I think would be appropriate. Maybe we should bring together a guest in first and do clips with the Are you sure but the guest Yeah, she commands a lot of attention. I'm 100% in favor of this.

Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the podcasting 2.0 boardroom one of the first video value for value podcasters Hey, it's alright Brian of London I know three speak was probably before would also dame of the no agenda roundtable. And friend please welcome Dane Jennifer. Hey, guys. Hey. Yeah, we got a full on Hey, guys night. Yeah, I was wondering if I should do the NPR. Hi. Well, I was I was that would have been actually let's let's re intro

you. I wanted to just so people know who named Jennifer is she's been around since almost the beginning of this show as well with her perfect jingles. Now it's time for some hot namespace talk. Which we subsequently banned for a while because we felt you know, there was like no women on the show ever broke that rule. But yeah, we fix it. Yes. We fixed it. Yeah, your ESG score is up by one. Yes. The token woman. Yeah, sorry. I'm white and sis and hetero. So I don't

know. Yeah. Well, welcome to The Club. Yeah. But you're female. So you have woman point? Yeah, exactly. Get some point. We get some points for that. You know, and I was talking with with Tina last night. And it was kind of like, what to what exactly does Dame Jennifer do? You know, because you have all these talents. You organize? Regular meetups, you organize meetups for no agenda. You've organized I think you do Bitcoin meetups.

You clearly the queen of Charleston. You know you took such good care of us when we were there and everybody knows you as like, oh Jennifer. And and you know you're you're it's It's fascinating, smart person. And I like Thank you. What does she do? Other than other than jingles other than videos? You know, this animated no agenda is, I mean, you're the first ever saw using this tool. And I mean, you've been you've I don't know how many you've produced so far, but it's unbelievable. It's

been unbelievable for the show. You know, you do corporate voiceovers, I think you do marketing, you know. And now, do you just have a trust fund and you hang out with people or do you have a job? Yeah, according to you that I have an island off the coast of? Yeah, exactly. Yes. You have that island. And then you just come inland for a bit to hang out with the plebs? No, I, I have been. I was well married. And my neck will marry well. We were all well married her. Yeah.

Unfortunately, that has ended. And so is that the scent now? Is that the same for roses? Is that the same as what they used to be called a kept woman? Were you a kept woman? No, I just know, because I knew you before the divorce. Yeah, I wasn't I mean, working? Yeah, he, he owned a small IT services company on this island? Yeah, of course. This was when we were in, in Chicago. And so I, I kind of started working in the business. And then I would just pick up I became kind of a Girl

Friday. So these small, whatever. Now it makes so much sense. Okay, I don't know what this term mean. Can you explain to me girlfriend, let me let me try. And let's see if that matches up with Jennifer. Because I've hired many girl and boy Fridays, these are this makes so much sense. In a company, typically someone who was in early at the formation at the startup, you know, employee

number two or number three. And this is just a person who may be applied initially, to be to, like office management or whatever. And they turn out to be so skilled in so like from software integration packages to you name it, all kinds of stuff. And so it's kind of like this person is in every meeting. And it's when no one knows what the fuck to do is like, Hey, do you know how to do it? Don't worry, I'm I'll figure it out. Does that kind of match?

Ah, absolutely. If there were, if there was something that, you know, the client would throw up against the wall, and if it sounded interesting, I'd figure it out. So yeah, so I do have some marketing and yeah, of course, the voiceover but I also did, like, I've got certified as a Microsoft, Small Business Server Administrator. All Over the Map. I wasn't I wasn't meeting planner for a long time. Did a huge conference of 7000 people in New Orleans. Yeah, like so.

Girl Friday, it just seems to kind of be the best. So that's why I'm not surprised that people don't know what I do. Because, you know, it's kind of Jack or Jill of all trades. And, and I hate saying that. It does sound cheesy, but no, it just fits what yeah, it just clicked for me like oh, okay, totally makes sense. Well,

yeah. So we're even perhaps even more appreciative of of the time talent and treasure that you put in of which it's all three because you actually charge actual money for the stuff that you're doing for us Yeah, you're not just hanging out doing a little bit of podcasting and by the way, the animated no agenda I mean, that's those are serious productions. It's that's not just something you throw together how long does it take you to do each minute worth of work if you can calculate it that way?

I I'm down to not including listening to every episode twice to three hours per minute. Well, you know, you have to listen twice and then you know, but there were there was a few months where there was just nothing funny because I like to bring OH, OH That came out wrong. It was not funny because the humor was in like, Hold on. Hold on a second. Let me dig in the grave. Nevermind. I was going through a divorce and my boyfriend broke up with me. Come on, you guys.

That's what wasn't funny. Was was not funny at all. No, there were just things were so bleak that I think even the small bits of humor. It was just It was really hard for me to do. But I've gotten it down to about about three hours per minute what now that I kind of, yeah, but they're only three minutes long, three and a half hours at work. Yeah, but there's a sweet spot because we, you know, you can see when people drop off, and we can hold them until almost the three minute mark,

which I think is pretty good. Yeah. And so I don't I, you know, I enjoy doing the longer ones. But if you're going to lose them at three minutes, you know, don't leave the punch line to the end. So yeah, you learned you learned a lot about doing video for sure. Yeah, it's been really fun. And my third anniversary is your 50th anniversary. Oh, man. Is that when you did the first one? Yeah, it was for the for the 12th anniversary because I was short

on cash flow at the time. And I thought, well, I can't contribute treasure. I'm trying to learn this to me Girl Friday, trying to learn this tool for a client. And it suggested starting with an audio clip that was already produced and my client didn't have our script ready for what she wanted me to work on. So Sharpton had just said, gurgles Kurt you Yeah, instead of and I'm gonna say it wrong instead of Gamble's girdles. And it was like the funniest thing I've ever heard.

And I, you know, got together and showed that to your client. That's not funny, but I also I sent it to you guys for you know, like a happy anniversary. Didn't put it on YouTube or anything. And then the views started to go up and I went What the heck happened? And I saw that. Adam, you had tweeted it. Oh, wow. Here we go. Have you turned that into a business? Was that? Is that part of your business now? animations and things? No, it's just a hobby. I did. I did. Okay, I've done like three

other very small projects for people. But they were friends. So well. It's the shit blows me away every single time. It really does. Yeah, no, it does. Tina and I the one thing what does a new AMA? Oh, man, because that's something we get? Because that's new. I don't know what's going to come and pray and you edit these things. You edit out all the non funny things. In fact, you could have edited out several months worth of non funny things. I can't believe you have no idea how red my face?

Come on. Jennifer, we're friends. Yeah, you can do anything. You know, the minute I mean, actually very early on, you got this up and running on no agenda tube and you got the value for value running. Take us through how that came about and and the steps that you went through? And just what was your experience as someone who clearly configure stuff out. But this was new as a so Yang, and you're also one of the first very few people were using value

for value with video. So this is yeah, this is instructed except for three speak, which of course was there before? I keep forgetting? Yes. Okay. He's going to the hive Dao and Brian of London are going to, they're going to take away our donations now. I don't remember the chicken and egg story. And Alex gates may remember better than I do. But when he created no agenda tube, I immediately went there. Because I had started getting a couple of takedowns on YouTube.

What will you do? And oh, this was animated. No agenda. Yeah. And you know, why don't you know why got taken down? We were telling the truth. That wasn't funny. It was not funny. But these guys are not funny. Just kidding. Yeah. No, your answer was correct. Because never gonna live that out. I'll stop. I'll stop now. Stop. No, you're right, because we tell the truth. But it also what you edited is always funny. It's always funny. Well, that's the that's the goal. Otherwise,

why bother? Yeah, yeah. Because the you're I'm trying to bring people to the show. And humor, I think is the best way to attract people. And so Alex was working on no agenda tube. And either he started to think about doing his own fork of it was based on peer tube, listening to you. Why, you know, pick things up. I'm a little bit of a. So you have a GitHub login. I just realized I ended up I used to, and then I just got because of the you know, the upcoming a hackathon. But um, so

he he did a ton of work on his fork too. Make it podcasting 2.0 compatible and every once awhile he would reach out and you know, tell me to do something or something had changed and you know, Can I check it out and so anytime I would post on I call it YouTube then I would also put it on a no agenda tube and then so first to support video I think was pod brand and or curio

caster I don't remember who was first of those. And then I think the only one other one is pod verse, right that supports video of the new apps you pod verse does your pod verse, pod friend cheerio caster? Fountain. Right. And that's what's weird. I get fountain SATs every once in a while and I'm like, What are you people doing? Yeah, so that's interesting. I guess the audio works. Just listening to Hey, listen a lot. So Alex, just shout to you. Because Oh, because you will be

uploading stuff on on no agenda tube got it. Okay, cool. Yeah, yeah. I just love seeing how these things come together. You know, this is such a interesting community. Yeah, I think I mean, he he gets 100% of the credit of really, I, you know, I'm sure that at some point, I asked him, because I'm kind of annoying in that way. Like, hey, you know, there, you're talking about XYZ on podcasting. 2.0, can we have that, but it was probably already on his roadmap. He

always seemed to kind of already have things in mind. So Alex was born with a plan in every day of his life is just working the plan. That's the way it goes much. I'm only a little bit kidding. Yeah, so that's kind of the history I you know, I would love to see a more apps support it. But I know that it's a completely different codec. And you have to deal with all of the different, you know, resolutions and bandwidth and all that stuff. So I know, it's not an easy problem

for the long term. Alternate enclosure will help that. But that's like, Yeah, I think of any, like, of any of the tags or any of the future, you know, forward looking things. I really think alternate enclosure is probably the one that is the most far in the future, because it's going to just I think it's quite it's complex, because they know you're dealing with different, like you said, different codecs and things like that. And that's people, even developers don't want to deal

with that stuff. Exactly what they want. They want to just roll up in there with an mp3 and be done in lunch. So yeah, yeah. I mean, one day, one day, I was surprised that I was surprised to learn, I would say that the pod pod versus the player they're using for the for their app that it somehow is not appropriate to do per minute streaming SATs, which is a shame. I know. They'll get to it. I didn't realize. I wonder what that what that person when

would that problem is, anyway, not a big deal. I'm amazed any of this crap work is so cool. So would it be? Would it be fair to say that, would it be fair to describe your job as your consultant? Yeah, I mean, that's kind of that's what I call myself on unlike LinkedIn, and I need new business cards, because right now they're, they're like, so cringe, because I've had them for 10 years. And they essentially say Jack of all trades.

Yeah. Well, here's your business card. Okay. If you if you have a company and you want to be successful, hire this woman. There we go. I like it. That's your business card right there. I look, you've done so much for me personally for the show. And then the minute we were talking about hackathon for podcasting 2.0 who raises their hand me Yes. developer, you clearly have the Bona fie days is how you say that word bonus, or is it bonafide bonus depends on if you're from Alabama, it's bonafide.

Well, you You clearly have the bona fides and then so Speak for yourself South Carolina. Now, sorry, you know, you've clearly got you know, got the skills to to consult on this topic. So what what, what do you what are your out of the gate salts? Um, well, I I talked to a good friend of mine who is an entrepreneur, but also a developer and he has started a

few companies and been successful. And so I said, Can you look at that he's aware of, okay, so those are the things that see the you were like, you're like developer, I'm like, check. That's me. Entrepreneur. We started Potkins a process index check. That's me. And then you said successful and I was like, that's where that's where So I have a pen and paper by the way, I'm writing these down because this is your consultant. So we this is the session, this is the

session. This is this is just the first meeting, you know, we're gonna have to have multiple them. But what, what? Thank you. Meetings? No, I got into podcasting to avoid that. Screw this hackathon. This is already about me. Now. This is my, this is my weekly mean, it's the one meeting I need. No, you know, we can I can do this all in writing to, not to worry. But that one of the first things that he pointed out because he's aware of what podcasting 2.0 is, but he'd

never looked at the code or anything. So I sent him to the GitHub, I sent him to the API documentation. And he was like, first things first, where is the high level flowchart? And I won't, I'll, I'll bring it up. And I assume that I will be on me to create, which is fine. I don't, I don't mind it'll help me to create the high level flowchart of podcasting. 2.00 my god, that would be that would be astounding. Create the high level flowchart and then do a pull request on James's

podcast. namespace.org. You go, I mean, then you've earned every bit of the zero money that Hey, she's in the split today, we're gonna give her a healthy split. Okay. Okay. Yeah, so boost boost for Dame Jennifer boost,

if please. Because, you know, if we're, if we're trying to encourage developers who are either just involved in Bitcoin, but have not listened to any of these shows, or are just interested in podcasting, but I've never listened to your show, because the only way that I've ever learned anything about what you're doing is via the Show podcast, and we can't expect somebody to go back and listen to 97 episodes. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, speak for yourself. I love college level course.

Well, it is, if they have the time, but I love what James Cridland is doing. I took a look at it the first time that he posted about it on podcast, index dot social. So I don't know a couple days ago, I haven't looked at it lately. So I'm going to use that. But I also just kind of like the simplicity of your slide deck, Dave, that you gave me that. I sent you that right? Yeah. and simplicity of that, too.

Let me ask you the quick, though, is, is this going to be a successful presentation with this, we're using this slide deck. I, I always like slides that are clean, simple and understandable. And that is exactly what you had. I loved how it looked. Now I am going to want to listen to the recording. Just for my own understanding because I'm going to start I'm going to have to field questions. I'm guessing he's gonna say what's gonna happen. I'm going to do my intro. I'm

going to do 13 minutes. I'm gonna give Dave an extra two. And then Dave is going to start going through the namespace. And he's and he's just gonna get to block tag, which is number two, and we're gonna be out of time. Bullshit. I'm going to have you practice race. No, I'm not I'm winging this zero practice. First time I do. I'll be the first time I practice. I'm a former corporate conference planner. Clients were Arthur Andersen and Accenture that that no rehearsal doesn't

fly. So it's a good thing. I am not your meeting planner at Podcast Movement. So in my in my stint in my day, job life, I do presentations on a fairly regular basis. Oh, so this will be easy for you. Yeah. And so and it's all slide based. And I have developed on the fly capabilities that most normal humans do not have. So I have this in my bag of tricks that I can speed up and slow down

according to what is necessary to get the job done. I have a complete half complete and unjustified confidence in my own abilities to get this No, I'm sure it is justified. Are they going to have a countdown clock for you? I hope so. They better be No. I'm so excited about our session. I'm a little bummed now about new media show was doing something live on stage. And and Greenlee reached out to me hey, we're gonna have Caitlin would you want to join him? Like yeah,

that'd be kind of fun to have James and meet together. But now they've got like 18 people on stage for 45 minutes like six literally six or 45 minutes like that's that's not productive. It's too much. I think it's too much. Maybe I should bow out. Yeah, belly about gracefully. You should demure. Alright, so back to the hackathon. Yes.

So but beyond the flowchart that the other concern that he had, was that it, because when he I played him the clip when it first came up in July, and debut proposed it and you said, no rules just do something cool. Yes, it sounds exactly. Right. Yeah. And Greg was like, no, no, no, you're gonna need to tell these guys what they want. Meaning, you know, you're gonna need to be a little more specific. So I had an idea and tell me what you think. So we've been talking about pimps.

See, for a while this is. Dave's notetaker? Wait. So we've been, you know, this has been recorded. Dave, you can go back and listen. You could just read the transcript. There you go. There you go. So you've been talking about pimps and I love the idea of the pimp database. So I wonder if there's not a way because a little black book now it's just I know, right? So if, if we were to kind of use the pin database.

Sidenote, sounds ridiculous, as kind of a trial of these are some ideas that maybe you developers should think about for the hackathon. Okay, so what you're saying, If I can just try this, you're saying, you'd like to develop whatever that means, the pimp database, we start feeding shit in that becomes the base for the hackathon. I think so I think that we've got to give these guys and say, guys, that really will be primarily men, let's be honest.

But we need to give them some kind of structure, especially if they're coming at this completely new. And, and if we can also, the other thing that I feel like I need to communicate somehow, is, these are the apps that are already utilizing the namespace in these ways. And that's what your slide deck was really helpful. Because you had those screenshots of, you know, here's, here's chapters, and here's a screenshot of a of an

app that's already using it. So that's something I'm still kind of noodling through is, how do we tell people there are things that they can look at to see how their current implementation is? How could you improve upon it, make it better do it differently, blah, blah, blah, you know, it gets cool, quote, unquote.

So okay, so the the slides, it sounds like what can happen as a step one is that after the flowchart is that, this the, the slide deck, post, talk, the, we could try, we can post the talk, if possible, if this podcast movement would give us permission, we can post the talk, and then and then and then post the slides, and then use that as sort of a, like a, some guardrails and say, Okay, here's the, here's the tags you have available to you, and the protocols you have available to

you take these things, and, and then get some inspiration from the talk. Right, and go and do something along. You know, that's, that's your that's your, what do you want to say, that's your that's your set of parameters is, is the things in the talk to get you to get the juices flowing?

Yeah, and then we have the pimps that the community can contribute to have, you know, these are things that I've, you know, seen lacking or would like to see, or you know, that and I kind of see, amps may be coming from listeners, and producers or meeting podcasters more than current developers, but I could be wrong, because, oh, no, I think that's, that's critically important that podcasters and listeners have ideas that developers don't

think of, and vice versa. It's absolutely and I would say, we have to make sure that it's not just, you know, new tat we don't necessarily need new tags, but here's all this stuff. Here's all this data, here's how it's categorized. What can I do with that? Right? To create make? Yeah, and you know, and there are so many other I mean, I was also thinking well, what a hosting company one it, can we kind of have three different buckets we could have, we want

to do something cool. For a listener, we want to do something cool for a podcaster. We want to do something cool for a hosting company. I'm not sure how much the hosting companies need or want anything. But it was just kind of the third audience that was a potential. They want stuff that I think they definitely want stuff. Because what the one thing that hosting companies really want to know, is what listeners want. They they really want to know

that because they don't. I mean, they get some feedback. But the feedback is, the feedback really doesn't come from the listener, the feedback always comes from the the podcaster. You know, I want to I want to get this and, you know, you rarely have so you don't really have a scenario where a listener is listening to a podcast on Apple podcast, says, you know, this, it'd be a great idea for this thing to be a part of this podcast for this

feature to be part of this podcast. Let me look up the hosting companies who this petition them, like that doesn't happen. Right? The podcasters themselves have to communicate that through. So if no, I think the hosting companies definitely want as much input from all parties as possible. They, they they really thrive there, their businesses thrive on, on feature development and pushing. So out there, I think they would be big fans of that.

So how do we get you started with the database? Have you already thought about this? Of course I have. But I wanted to talk it through before I even move too much further forward. But I guess, I mean, I can build something or I can find a tool, I bought a domain. And I have a landing page for it. That's just super cheesy. So that if you're at Podcast Movement, and you run into somebody who might be interested in you, they at least have a place to go and it's just it's PC. Two zero.com 209

Yeah, two, zero, the numerals. So that'll be kind of the landing to some people. And I don't know if that's where we host the pimp database or anything. Specifically, do you have any skills with setting up databases? I used to? It would I would need to clear some cobwebs. I don't think we need that. I don't I don't think we need to go to that level. I think because the GitHub repo, I think that that's the way to do it. One is, yeah, yeah. That's what I mean, it's built for stuff like this. And,

okay, the GitHub, the namespace repo. Also has a wealth of issues that have already been created in and of ideas that people had. Yeah, yeah. True. True, that nobody's picked up and done anything with. So you can raise a nice thought you didn't like the way it was being communicated? Or I remember I remember Dave saying that, too. Yeah. I do. I don't like the way this is communicated.

About the structure, like the structure you'd have with issues or something or something you'd write it wasn't working for you. It's It's messy. I mean, it's messy. But I guess what I'm saying is like the so what I've what I've started doing is, is when there's now that we have the pimp system, whenever, whenever a new one is put, like the first one is the Verify tag, wait, we don't have a pimp system. Where's, where's where's

the pit? The PIP system is the GitHub is GitHub projects. I started creating a project Oh, I didn't know I didn't know this was taking place did we've not discussed unless you do not discuss this in the board meeting. So the what I did with PIP two, which is the Verify tag as I put it as a project, and then when you have a project, then you can have

comments and shit under that you can link issues to it. And you can you can assign it, you can assign sub tasks of the project to different developers and blah, blah, blah, but it's just my way of tracking it. So you know, but I think the just dig through the issues list is probably a great place to start. Just to get brainstorming convert them to camps, do we reach out to you or do a pull request or I don't know how I just yeah, you can just you can just put you know, if somebody sees

something, they can put it to me. I can I can I can also spend some time digging through there because I can probably spot things pretty quick. Right? That has there's a lot of stuff in there that was just like nah, this is not good. But I think one thing Adam said was was important that we don't we want it to be clear. You said this, be specific. And one thing to be specific on is we don't want new tags. We want, okay, existing.

We want the existing we've got to we're getting way in for in front of our skis here because you're 18 tags into this thing and a few protocols. And and we still have, you know, apps that only support one tag. Right? So if there was, we don't want new tags. So that's one guardrail. And then the more general idea is, take what's already there already available and do something cool with that bill. How about a cool search? You know, there's all kinds of stuff that I can come up with

Discovery discovery, yes. The elusive discovery? Yeah. Now we've been talking about so. So how would a Normie, like a listener who's not going to be on GitHub? Should I build something for them to submit to me, and then I can transfer them to GitHub or what are you? What do you think? Well, I think I think we should just make a new repo a column on Yeah. 22? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then there's an enlisted have, hopefully, normally, this is for developers. So developers need

to de they'll already know how to do these things, right? To submit issues. And a hackathon is kind of by default. I mean, it's important that podcasters and listeners are welcome. But it's really a developer thing. Yeah, in the in your your site, your hack, PC 20 hackathon.com. That that can can be the the sort of explainer and gore and Gabriele setup. And then they say, and then you pass them off to write a hackathon 2022 repo.

Okay. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, either we need, we need like an onboarding for people who heard about it sounds interesting. But, you know, had the experience that Greg did, which was like, Where what? You know, like, I need a flowchart. What is this float? Can I ask you about the flow chart? Because this is, what is the flow chart? Charting? I don't even want to know, I just want to have it. Yes. I want a flow chart. Well,

here's what is the chart? What is the flow? What flow is being charted? If. So that was one of the things that I need to and you just reminded me, I made myself a note, I need to ask him for an example of one. And I was gonna go to one of his companies and see if his, like, his API has a flowchart and just see, you know, well, I like are you? Are you? Sure? Yeah.

Right. So that's, I'm not 100% Sure. But it was something that was the first thing he was looking for, which is kind of a schema, you know, of like, what's going on here. When I think of flow chart, with podcasting, 2.0, I think of something I've wanted for a long time. Is a is like a motion. This is this sounds like, sounds so much like an old man, when I say this motion graphic, like, that's dumb term, but like, a graphical representation of the flow of Satoshis as they go

through the value for value network system. With with, with motion showing the showing flow? Yes. Where money goes in? For value for value, that will be cool. Yeah, value for value. Yeah. That's just the one that's like one piece of the pie. And they're really talking more about a visual description of the API. sounds like to me, I'm gonna, I'll double check with them. Because I told him, I said, I bet I'm gonna have to do it. And so I may have more

questions. But, you know, and I will probably have questions for you, Dave. As I start to kind of understand. And then, you know, try and figure it I mean, I will try and figure I went to Montessori. So I learned I can get a steady learner. Is that where you learn how to eat clay and stuff? I didn't eat dirt, but that's my way of you. Kids are cool, man. They get it suit. You're just you're really well taught the funny thing is I when I meet someone at a party, I can tell Yeah, it's very

weird. It's like it's kind of a superpower. Well, there's there's something else now when you when you hit the party's because you have a new glow about you. Hola Dave. Grab this you got that sword. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna grab that because we now need to officially pronounced the KU as David Jennifer data now your official name So here's your scissors. Here's your scissors. Yes, your sash your scissors. We really appreciate this, Jennifer and of course, we're here for

for anything. Anything you need, let us know. And we'll jump in and whatever we can. Yeah, I mean, we're gonna have to down the road. It's not something we need to obviously solve today. But then how do we start, you know, organizing the presentation of what these developers have come up with? And then some kind of voting process. Do we do like a sweet 16? And, you know, we'd like, Oh, man. Yeah, like the tournament? They like NC double

Yeah. Double A tournament? I'm not familiar. Yeah, well, you have like, you know, you have a bracket of 64. And then it goes, the winners go to 32. Then the 16 teams into a didn't afford then did the? Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So you're kind of pairing? Brackets, brackets. So yeah, brackets, there's, there's the word. Thank you. Um, so you know

that that's something else. But I mean, we're not there. Like, right now, I think that the primary thing is get people involved and interested, who, if they heard about it, and could get their head around, it would love to contribute? Oh, and what's the what's the money? Like, can we start saying that there's money, there's a bounty or is there, it's going to be value for value, the voting will will be done with Satoshis, I would presume.

But here's, here's my own, here's the plan, the only plan I've come up with for the, for the SATs for the for the prize money is, is create, I like your idea for like a blog or bracket or whatever you you know, have some sort of an initial voting that goes through where you could get it down to maybe four projects. And then then we could create, like four different podcasts with each with, with each description, just just one

episode, just describing what the, what the project is. And then everybody sends SATs to the project that they think worst is, is the winner. And then just add up, whoever gets the most SATs is the winner and then they get they get the prize, they get the whole kitty. That's that was the only thing I had, there may be a much better way and open to, to all that we I mean, we could just, you know, we could The other alternative is just how about this and

change the future and win valuable prizes? That's, that's, that's there. Right there. Yeah, change the future, and win valuable prizes? Well, we, we could just say, you know, put $1 value on it. $500 $1,000. Now, whatever. Value, value, value for value, watch this. We're gonna figure this out real quick. These things present themselves. Okay, I would not start off with, Hey, we got you. First of all, we don't have 500 bucks. We can't promise anything. True. That's

true. Then, you know, it's like people should be here for the fun of it. Normally, people pay you to come to the hackathon. What do you think? What do you think about about doing it purely through podcasting to do podcasting app boosts? Yeah, something like that. I like that a lot. And you have four different podcasts or two different pods. I mean, two different podcasts per project. And it's just one episode. Like, this project is about the alternate enclosure tag and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then they just vote. That sounds extremely boring. Now that does that sounds like a shit idea. We're gonna have to think about it. Let's Yeah, stick a pin in it, everybody. I don't know how to do. What are most hackathons? It is not always money involved in a hackathon is there I don't know that I would I want money or lots of free pizza. Maybe as also people just like, you know, like fans of some

technology. They go and do a hackathon. It's about getting together and doing it. Yeah, this is a virtual though there's no I know. But But Is that not the actual kind of idea of a

hackathon. So what if it's virtual right so what are the differences that make yeah but you because it's virtual you got to pay people No, but I mean that but here's it's not that but it's the painting the painting to me is more a function of of this of putting on display the power of value of the value for value Lightning Network and and podcasting 2.0 value tag like it's no no I agree with I agree with that. But there's two things one is, if we if we say up front, oh, there's Gonna be a prize.

Now we can't say that value for value reward, whatever, we have to figure out the mechanism, because so if someone sends 5 million SATs to one project, can the other projects ever be a winner? You got to put some, some parameters in there.

We'll see that's okay. So here's, here's when I said, create four podcasts, or two podcasts, or whatever this is, my idea was that we, we have a wallet that's going to receive the SATs, and we are watching in the voting, the SAT voting, then when the winner is determined, then we say we send all those sets to the winner. No, I understand. But how do you determine the winner? Whoever

gets the most, no, but that's what I mean. That's, that's, that's going to be that's not going to work because whoever gets the most sets is like, okay, so I'm a big baller. And I really liked this project. And I said 10 million SATs. Who's Who else is gonna win? Right? Yeah, so we have to we have to come up with so I liked the idea of maybe aiming like gaming it okay. Yes. Yeah. Yes, like gaming it? Totally. We got to be

careful of that. So maybe you just have donations of, you know, if you want to give toward the bounty to encourage development. Great. Here you go. Put it to this, donate at this time, or put this in your boost or whatever. And then the voting be completely separate. And it'd be, you know, however you want blue ribbon panel writing. Um, I Well, that I don't know, that I I haven't really thought

through. I kind of like the community voting. But I also think maybe it does just need to be like a board, quote, unquote. Alright, I gotta I gotta read some booster grams because people are tripping out now. Because no, no, no, not at all. Not at all. But we're lit Of course. And so right off the bat, Todd Cochran. 10,000 SATs blueberry will commit to contributing to cash pool if this is the way you want to go. Well, no, no, that's cool. Well, just send us the cash. We'll take care of it.

Yeah, we'll we'll make sure it gets to the right place. floydian slips 3200 People go to hackathons, because they are passionate about a project. They aren't bounty hunting events. And that's kind of what I thought but I I liked the idea of using the value tag. Maybe it's putting someone in your splits. I mean, there's all kinds of we just got to work on that. Pay two or 50,000 SATs congratulations Dame Jenny bear. Okay, not quite sure. Booper of noses 800 SATs thank you for

brave noses. And then Holy moly. Darren O'Neil podcast shot caller 20 plays only 100,001 SATs from Darren says oh yeah, you're a big drop. It's a pleasure to hear Dame Jennifer bringing some levity to an otherwise non funny show. Oh, that's gonna be on my headstone. 2222 from McIntosh who says missing the show live today. I'm sure it'd be awesome hit me with go podcast. We got blueberry with the Oso religious 7777 the striper boost Hey, Dame Jennifer

can't wait for a Nashville roller rink. Meet up part two. Yeah, I met him in February. There you go. Yeah. Sam Sethi responding Dave with another 1000 SATs. We do have transcripts. Occasionally it's missing. Occasionally it's missing but pod land does does okay. My apologies but deficits here apologies. Captain Egghead, go V four V with a row of ducks 2222 Thank

you. And let me see what oh my goodness. There you go. We have blueberry and blueberry also hits it hard how long 20 is played on am Paula 100,001 equaling Darren O'Neil old ladies, BTS will be live following this Cummings no agenda on Sunday. Come get us an ad. Come get some action on banned Radio dot live or a new podcast app new podcast apps.com We'll be rocking out hard with the gematria boost bot in the green room chats these goats are going to sacrifice themselves.

So this this Gematria boost bot thing he explained it later. And it's like there's there's a certain code if you if you send them if you send boosts of a certain amount it it ends up displaying a certain amount Would you string Yes and it's fingered fires a different sound as well. Yeah. And so it's like a game trying to figure trying to get like decipher this shinda since that's the shit I expect out of a hackathon. Yeah, that's boost bots. These these are by the way, these are pretty good

examples. These are cool hackathon. Hackathon things. leaderboards? Oh, my goodness voting. How about a voting system? Yeah, voting. Yes, it'll be handy. Very handy. Yeah. Pfeiffer there's nothing like a dame especially when it's Dame Jennifer that's still my second favorite. Well, maybe my favorite anime had no agenda. I did that really early. Yeah, I remember I remember. Yeah. And I every once in a while. It'll come up in my recommendations.

And I'm like, Okay, I'll watch that one. It's cute. Yeah, anyway. Let me see Sam Sethi again 1000 SATs Hi, chaps and Jennifer I know you start about now my Friday night I have my notification set in pod verse. I seem to let go live or waiting but where how can I see what actual time you go live in the apps well that's it there is a scheduled time that is that is posted I guess it's not surfacing.

I guess pod verse doesn't Yeah, I guess it doesn't display that I wonder if curio caster does I'm going to be going right now. Let me see me does curio caster show and I'm talking directly because I know he's in the chat room sorry. He will tell me if curio caster shows the time of the upcoming Yeah, I can't see that now because we're already live. Okay engaged stream stream engaged Let's rock 1000 SATs from Lehman creations Thank you very much.

says yes curio Castro does display the upcoming time. Another 7777 from Pfeiffer obligatory plug for the Sunday morning to our folk hour on the no agenda streamed live Sunday mornings at 9am. Central Standard Time. Okay, these plugs are very interesting. Let's see we have another 1000 from sands Sam Sethi and then 10,001 from blueberry pod verse boosting for mobile fields so permissionless totally filled match. Congrats. There you go. tilled it pimpled Yeah.

Okay, that's a good that's a good phrase. And thanks. Thanks to meet us for the 20,069 SATs said pre pre show and he just says what up nerds. And let's see 3200 Now from Florida and slips per diem Jennifer's request I switch to no agendas category from comedy to news. 19 148 SATs from Brian of London Hello Brian of London. He says Let me tell you about coin voting. He has a little son emoji with the sunglasses because of course that means that we have to do this in hive.

Right Of course. No, no, it's not gonna happen. Of course popping seems really cool. I was gonna say any cool app from anything I don't care as long as it's integrating what we're doing is great. Absolutely. It's great. Yeah, pod ping is is beyond this. It's incredible sometimes to read these comments which are completely egged on by Brian of London himself. Of course. You know people gonna like putting on this podcast that to put always they're building a database with hive that she

called man. Like cheese wheeze people. Like there was a whole thread Roy forwarded me today. The Ellen URL guys are all like, well, how come we don't have value for value with ln URL? Oh, really? Yeah. And, and Bumi was in the thread from Alby and Roy and everyone's like, well, you know, it would work but you know, we're doing up to 10 splits. Now. It's, yeah, but the Ellen URL, you know, it's just one of those really emotional

conversations. And I have to say, Roy, and Boomi they talked him off and he's like, Okay, I'm gonna go learn key send those things sometimes, you know, people get real passionate about technology, especially because Ellen URL has been around it's very, for enlightening standards and ancient protocol. And they've gone really far with Elon bits and, and all this stuff is just, there are some significant differences to it

for us. Elon, URL author, I mean, all these ed that Do the same thing. It's the same thing, though. It's always the same thing. Go build something. Yes, please build it exactly. Don't don't complain about not don't complain about things not existing, just make it exist. That's, that's, that's still the age old problem with people don't not understanding open source is that it's not about asking for things. It's about making the thing, right. I mean, that's what that's the hackathon. Well, but

you know, what I've noticed. And, and you notice, it's extremely obvious on the consumer side, but also, I think, to some degree on the developer side, you know, we've been so spoiled with Silicon Valley companies being funded with very cheap money, which is over with all kinds of apps and things that pop up and are free, and it's all expected to work immediately. And, you know, I'm not even gonna let this morning, you know, at this pace of shock, like, holy crap, what's cool,

every time I want to do this, it freezes. And I was just, I was just letting it go. Because, you know, and I wasn't trying to be defensive, but I immediately I go into defensive mode, like, well, this is like two guys or one guy, and you know, yeah, but you, IT people, it's the same with I don't understand two point I understand value for I don't get it, you know, and people are not they're used to it being spoon fed, stuck in

their face completely managed, completely helped. You know, and developers, I think, sometimes also have this idea of like, well, listen, index, guys, why don't you do Alan URL just implemented? You know, not knowing at all, you know, at all what we're about, or, you know, or how this works, or what we're trying to accomplish? It's the modern age of technology, people have been extremely spoiled. And, you know, it's like, Ah, this, like, people upgrade their phones every year. Right?

Kidding me. So, well, we got an iPhone in the mail. It was just like an anonymous gift. So people send me stuff all the time. Where do I get in on that? Like, how do I get an action? What? Well, okay, making cartoons. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. You got to start a podcast without me. Now, it's like Tina and I, we get all kinds of cool stuff. cutting boards, bottles of wine, you name it. Yeah, that's, I mean, we really do the show for the alcohol, as well as the fever five that way.

Yeah. Cutting Board, shall we? Thanks for more of our value for value donors, Dave. And I would like to say I'm so delighted to hear the leading podcasting podcasts, all soaking in value for value. I hear new media show pod land, pod news. Doing booster gram segments. You know, I love it. That's cool. Oh, yeah. Well, and you know, and the money's getting better. People are understanding higher amounts, you know, and that's

why we do have some cut offs. Because of course, there's a lot of people do a lot of comments for low sat numbers on on fountain. But it's kind of work it it's interesting, because I hear pod land, you know, I'll hear James do not pod on pod news. And it sounds like he's just getting you know, 10 SATs, 20 SATs at SATs where people leaving comments on a daily episode. And he's not really pitching it's short show. So I understand he's not really pitching value for value.

Whereas it pod lands I think the numbers are much higher. There any any I heard him I caught him actually saying, you know, if you get some value from this show, like wow, okay. There we go. Yeah. Mindset, no answer. Yeah. Yeah, we on that. Just real quick before we do the donations on that thing. You know, about the, you know, just about the apps and about the, you know, we had a really good discussion with Pocket Casts that people from Pocket Casts.

Yes. First automatic and then Pocket Cast. Yes, we did. And early in the week, and we, you know, we, they were gracious enough to, to have a zoom call with us, and we pitched pitched all the podcasts and I'll tell you the pitch. We would like you to declare the namespace, the podcast namespace and every single product you have including Pocket Casts WordPress, everything, and they win and literally they went well, that sounds like a good

idea. So anyway, we're we're waiting. This is a Todd Cochran moment we're waiting just to get some time. information on them, we can just talk about a couple things because it was very informal. We just don't want to violate any trust at this point. But we're super pleased. As you know, I've known Matt for a long time. But he really did build a company with people who give a shit. And they really care about open source, they care about open systems. That's what they do, obviously.

I will say confidently that, that Pocket Casts is in fantastic hands with being big and automatic. Yeah. And I can't think of a I can't think of a better place for them to have landed than this grid in May. Yeah. Good, good, good things are gonna come out of this. I mean, we can, one thing I can say about our talk with them is that they, they already knew about this, I mean, or excuse me on the Pocket Casts, they they

already knew about podcasting 2.0 and had plans around it. It just, they, they had a lot, you know, the automatic transmissions been big and stuff. So they gotta get through some stuff. But they, they already knew about the stuff. And it was a really helpful zoom call to be able to just dig in to the details, because they, they knew generally about

everything, but they didn't know a lot of the details. And we saw we did some deep dives on, on the different tags and the way things work and stuff and really just got to talk, you know, and but what I liked the most about it is they really saw I mean, it was a no brainer for them that like, well, so people are publishing with these, with this extra data and these features. Yes. Well, why why wouldn't we that sounds like that's stupid not to.

Yeah, I don't think people realize that how many phase there are out there that declare the POC test namespace? It's, it's, you know, 400,000 plus at this point, yeah, that's a wow, did you did you ever have a chance to check Dave and see of those 400,000? How many are in the 90 Day Count of updates? Not done that? That would be something cool to see to see if, if 2.0 feeds are updated more frequently? Or what percentage

they are, that number may be very small, I don't know. But the point is, when you have people creating content, possible 140,000, or whatever it is that at Buzzsprout. Another 100,000 rss.com, you know, 200,000, I have no idea. The hundreds of 1000s can put in all kinds of tags a lot of these guys have and people are doing it. This is why I was so confident to say within a year Apple will have implemented one

or multiple namespace tags. And the reason why is if they don't they're not business people, then that they have no business. And if Apple knows anything, they know how to run a business. It's just it makes me insane. I mean, if everyone is going to adopt this, everyone will except maybe Spotify, they may not. But if you want a competitive advantage when the creators are making it, they're putting it in there that you go. Listen to you, Girl Friday, she'll tell you what's right.

Yeah, I would love to go back to Pocket Casts as my daily driver used to be I love that user. Oh, why did you drop it? Because of 2.0 features? Yeah, cuz I wanted to play around with SharePoint. I wanted to support the project. And so I you know, and I move around, but, but I still have it installed on all my devices. I still love it. I. So that's cool. I can't wait to hear more. What do you love about it? Because that would help developers listen to the show. And they need to know these

things. Okay, the, the original reason that I subscribed, I paid for a subscription was that it across any device, I was synced up. So if I start listening to no agenda on my phone, and then I come to my PC, and then I go later on my iPad, they that app, new word that I was, yep. Which I loved it, you have lots of options per podcast options. So there are certain ones that I want to be alerted. There are certain ones that I want to

automatically download and add to the queue. So they have this really nice queue that you can establish and you can say I want to put this at the beginning of the queue or the end of the queue. I love that. Yeah, I am a I am a huge, huge fan of Pocket Casts and every once awhile I still dip my toe in because I'm like, oh, there's no shame in that game. And and they just make it really easy to subscribe to, you know, if you have the RSS feed. It's like as long as you know how to

find that. It's easy because I as a test part, one of the first things I did when I went on no agenda tube was I put the RSS feed into Pocket Casts and said Do they support video? Sure enough, it worked. I just put it in the Yeah, so they They've been supporting video for a while, because I did that. It's been over two years. Yeah. So I'm a huge, huge podcast fan. So that's exciting.

Oh, good. Well, we're excited. Hopefully they are listening to the show, and they will hear fervently desire there to be. Very, very interesting, though, the reasons that you were drawn to it. Yeah, that kind of stuff. Hearing hearing listeners describe why they like certain apps that is so valuable, because it's not, it's one thing to get a request for something from from somebody, and it says, Hey, can you please support? Can

you please support an X feature? It's another thing to hear a sort of, sort of case study where you can listen to a user who loves an app describe exactly why they love the app, because then you may not want to replicate that that may not be

the identity that you're looking for in your app. But you can, you can understand the thinking there and say, Okay, I may be able to expect to take this and adapt my app to do something like this, that gives that gives the same feeling but for my audience in the way I want to do things and then you can expand your user base that way I think I think it's valuable, very valuable. We're gonna do some some donations booster grants.

Yes. And thank you in advance everybody who pre boosted and of course, you can go to podcast index.org bottom of the page. There's a big red button donate button you can still reach us with your Fiat front coupons. Almost no one does anymore. We do appreciate those monthlies. So we really lucked out really appreciate the moment we blew out the monthlies. No, no, no, the the Pay Pal is not used anymore. Everyone's just boosting right now. This was a strong Pay Pal week. Oh, okay.

What happened? All right. We hit we hit it hard. I mean, I don't know what the call went out. Evidently. And I don't think it was us. Maybe draft put something in the chapters because we got we got some help. Okay. All right. All right. The route I mean, right off the top row voice blueberry podcasting says $250 Wow, oh, my Sakala 20 is blades on the Impala. Nice. Thank you. Very, thank you for what you were doing the blueberry team. Oh,

thank you, blueberry team. Thank you, blueberry team. They're a handsome team. They are the beautiful team. Richard, he wakes me up, this is anonymous is nice as soon as $200. And he says it's been a while. So I will send via old style of transfer, still have not been able to, I still have not been able to understand how I'm going to keep track of the boost transactions for the IRS effectively just helping out anonymously, okay, so that's not

something you have to worry about. For sending now. For sending when you donate when you when you give away SAS you don't, that is not something that you have to then convert to monetary value it convert to US dollar value at the moment, and then account for that as income on your taxes. You are gifting you're gifting that asset to another person. And so it's it's it's a non transaction on your point on your part. The receiving party has to count that as income at the value at

that time. Right? Yes. So you don't have to go through anything. And also it's not a cheap it's not charitable, therefore not tax deductible in case that was what you were saying. Yes, or no charity dammit. We're going broke in a capitalist way. I was gonna say profit but no, no, we'd like profit. We just don't expect it. It's a difference. Down the road. It's a mindset. It's a mindset. Thank you very much evolving dollars. Got $100 from AD Ryan. Hey, radio Inc.

Oh, nice. Thank you, Ed. Yeah, and he says Save the chickens the The chickens are still strong. They were still too they were too strong in the back of in the backyard when I get here. So we're still good. $100 from New Media Productions. And it says Hey, guys, Todd Cochran here. No podcasting. Oh. Wow. Professionally and privately. Thank you, man.

This makes me think that this makes me think that Todd doesn't know that the blueberry team donated $250 They just they basically went, went into his wallet when he wasn't looking. Dollars ads not looking. I got an idea. He showed up to the office and said, Hey guys, I donated $100 to podcasting. 2.0 And they're like, oh, oh, okay. It's so appreciated. I mean, from Todd but also from his team. That's, that's really nice. I like that. I mean,

that's how it's supposed to work. This is how value for value works. We come up with shit, we host it and then they have to do all the work. As a security professional though, I would I do have to recommend that Todd change his Pay Pal password because his name is evidently is Brian $50 from our buddy Dave Jackson at the School of podcasting. Hey, Dave Jackson, thank you so much. Also, you know, he's, he's in round two, podcasting. 1.0 He taught 10s if not hundreds of

1000s of people how to podcast. He's back doing it with podcasting. 2.0 Throwing out videos. Good. Good, fun discussion the other night with the podcasting power. Podcasting Power Hour. Oh, yeah, I checked into that. That was kind of interesting.

I don't like the format. I hate Twitter spaces. No, I mean, either I what I think is so funny is that you have people who are listeners and then and they just are they get to ask a question and then just go on for hours and hours about themselves is like I don't kind of like that format that much is boring. Yeah. Especially the guy is like, why can talk I can no problem talking. You see, I just need to be able to hit one button on my phone and that button that just kind of did the

podcast got to be because I that's what I need. I just could I bet I could tell you I can talk for hours and hours. That's not the problem. Oh, that was like, Yes, I believe that. Yeah, that is the problem. Actually No shit. But that yeah, that was that was that was interesting. I appreciate them asking me on and fun, fun questions. Good. Good chance to explain some value for value. You're always a pleasant voice to listen to, in an interview.

Appreciate that. Yeah, it does have a little bit of NPR vibe to it, but in a good way. Does it kind of Oh, yeah. No, no, but in like a smoky cigar kind of green visor kind of way. So it's like, imagine you dim the lights and there's one naked ball now a desk lamp with one of those flexible necks. And that Dave's got his green visor on his in front of his monitor. And he's like, Well, let me tell you about the namespace. We've got a we've got a donation from there it is listed in Berg.

OYSTEIN bariga OYSTEIN bariga. $49.99 Okay. It's not working for me. Okay. All right. Always, always done. Bear sad. Boy, same bear. This time better? I think so. Okay. $49.99 Thank you. And the note is donation. And our reply is thanks. It's thank you we got some boosts Yeah. Let's get some let's get our bluestone blueberry 1776 through fountaining says snip first. Okay, what that means I don't know. Got it for lavish synth 9999 and he threw fountain needs to survival cash

What do I need gosh you're still not following that. Mitch will see as a test boost is a very long complicated test boost meanest meet us excuse me, said 3333 through fat and he says boost for humanity Roy scheinfeld Roy is back now he he started texting me very angry. He did he was he was always boost. I always boost it's on day. This is all on Dave. I'm gonna read it to you. I'm gonna read it. I'm gonna read it verbatim. He was not angry in his texted me.

He says I can beat the Israeli accent. Yes, I doubt him. I can be distracted but I will never forget to boost if you don't see my boost. It's on Dave. I said I sent you the boost to check. This is not Israeli but this is French. I don't know what that was is yeah, that's pay Panthers. My actual Hebrew sounds better than that. Yes, it does. I've witnessed your Hebrew it's actually quite compelling for a non for non Hebrew speaker and that's right.

54,321 SAS from Roy to read it. Okay, he says Check out the new podcast features in breeze next my top podcasts and different layouts.

Yeah, you can do tiled layout of all the I love that I love the tiled layout of all the images to cover art because no agenda always changes it's always something different I love that tile as well and also the improve something with the syncing to the graph much faster you know sometimes Yeah, with Breeze you know, you'd you'd start playing and it wouldn't be paying anything like what's going on you do you know, go to a menu developer get info in your phone start heating up. Oh,

that's gonna that's my bug gets hot. I know. I'm finally sentenced. Let's just see. Thank you, Roy. And I also have a make good because Roy did booths last week. 54 321. I have yet to decode the note though. Because I ran out of time. So I have there will be make good two. There'll be double double make good next week when I would decode his note No. extra boost then. I love you Reuters and it is only 2500 SATs from Mike Dale and he says go podcasting. Yo Yo Yo yo yo go podcast.

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ordered for me. And she said You absolutely cannot look at the box. Because when you see the box, you'll know what it is. And it won't be a surprise. And so of course you see the bunks well, so I saw the guy walk by up to the front of the door and Phoebe heard him too. And, and so I went without my glasses, which I promised her. I peeked through not the window itself, but through the shade. And I can see there's all kinds of boxes so I can't pick it up. I'm gonna have to wait until she comes

home. I'm sure. I'm sure another I'm sure another two and a half hours won't ruin the beef. It's not indirect. It's pretty it's not direct sunlight so no problem. They look everyone's like what's in the box. Come on. Come on. No, no, no, no lie. I don't lie open the box. I'm not going to do it. Spell it not going to do it at all. In fact, I'm gonna text my wife right now. These two grand 1330 C 13 337. From the mere mortals podcast through fountain in. Karen says Dave putting on a clinic Jones.

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God that's the word pico pico no now is an alias do you use do you use pine pie so you've never used pine no pine the email client have never used pine I've used mud I've never use pine you're much my go to but pine I think pine specifically comes with the PICO editor by default I think I will make standard and I'll do this till the day I die. Is pico dash W or no for no word wrap like that. It's just it is ingrained in my finger muscles that that's that's all I can do.

Whereas I always start everything up with Word Wrap with Word Wrap yeah I do yeah. Well wasn't pine was pine not email was was pine messing it up. That said pine comes with Pico. I guess it is it may be as the editor for for even for pine email. Yes What I thought but Pfeiffer says pine is not email. I thought pine was email. feel dumb now? I don't know. Well, it's not that important. Stop show. No, don't stop. Please don't stop the show. Whatever.

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Yeah, when someone runs out of SATs you gotta make that clear. devs Yeah, yeah, this should be like a buzzer or something. Yeah. Three haptic feedback when your wallet runs dry starship Elvis again 3333 through fountain he says keep doing what you do. We will nice. See dubs 10,000 101. From pod Oh through the podcast index website. Hey. Says boosting from podcast index.com With lb. Nice, fantastic. Moritz from lb as soon as 2100 says through also through the

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Arif Tov means good evening. Almost like a missive. I can find this because it did it go through the email. No, it came directly off the node. It was a Bookstagram Oh, but when when was it sent? I guess is my question. I can copy and paste it into single chat and now you're talking. Let's give it if you want to give it a whirl. Oh, here we go. Arif Toffler, Roy B Mitch. So he's saying no, it's not a C that's a T naught v dash v. And

now here's what he says is Good evening, Roy. Meet Mitch. That's exactly what it says. But is that Oh, hello? Of course not. I have no idea what it says. My Hebrew is extremely limited. Is it read Arif? Arif Tov is good evening that I actually know. Okay, let's just do this was Google Translate. Oh, you really think you can you just paste the translate from Hebrew? Yeah, it works. Okay. What is good evening to Roy in his bed. Yeah, it was close. There we go. That word.

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So I don't know. That's. I don't know what this is. Maybe talking about Rand. You know, the military industrial complex. I don't know. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, was she born in 1905? Oh, hold on a second. Because this is two to 1905. Let me see. Iron Rand was born in 1905. No. Code. Nice. Well done, Dave. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. And Ron's birthday February 2 1905. It was

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It says on the front it says asked me about podcasting. 2.0 on the back it says boost me bitch I'm telling you this. That's that's how we should you almost let that out of the bag. I'm glad you pulled it back. That was that was actually gone. That was actually an accident. Okay, I'll tell you what happened. This is very bad. I spit on my screen when I said boosting. Like Like, just rub that off with my finger. That screen. It is a touchscreen. Yes.

Yeah. You saved that one from disaster. Because that's for episode 100. Hey, it's coming up two more episodes. 100 It's gonna be fun. What are we doing for our one? record something that's very innocuous and innocent. To counteract with the math jingle? Yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Listen, the introduction at Griffith or

something? Yes. Dave, Jennifer informed informed me earlier that we, you know, it was it's terrible that episode 100 is not the episode we're doing our podcast movement when we've we've hit the off by one problem. Right. We couldn't Well, Oh, well. It could have been could have been great. Yeah. And we're just gonna it's just gonna be you and me. Right? No guests. We're not We're not by anyone. weaselly an interaction. Okay, now they can stay in the hall.

Exactly. Now, we should have like monitors outside in the hall. So I can sit there and listen to us. The overflow room overflow room. All right. Do we have anything else? Jennifer? Thank you so much for of course, for being here. Thank you for offering your help with the hackathon. Thank you for becoming the dame of the pink database. And but just thank you for being a really super nice person. And and always jumping in and your your good energy, real good energy. We really appreciate that.

Thank you, Dave. A little less good energy, but I do love you brother. No, no don't hit me with everybody that's it boosts a lot. You helped them Jennifer out as well. We'll see you next time at the board meeting for podcasting 2.0 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information, boost boost boost