Episode 97: Forever Fifteen

podcasting 2.0 for August 12 2020 to Episode 97 Forever 15 Well, hello everybody, welcome to the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 your weekly vitamin pill if you're into podcasting, I guess it's like, you know, carrots and tomatoes and everything in one little dusty bill. That's right. We'll bring you up to speed and everything happening with podcasting 2.0 Whatever is going on at podcast index dot social and I am Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in

Alabama. My master of the slideshow deck say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. It's like a V eight. It's like drinking a va a VA. Every Friday. That's what it is. Remember those? My mom used to drink V aids. The AIDS are super gross. Yeah. And but they're not as bad as Komodo. Do you remember? Clemont? No, I don't remember Komodo this sounds like Chlamydia is a horrible name for for drink. It's terrible. It sounds like it

sounds sounds like an STD. And it tastes like an STD. It's tomato juice with clam juice mixed in. Oh yes. I do know Komodo Yes. Yes. I do know this. That is a horrible drink. Oh, yes. Well, I don't know what it I mean, like, who sat around it? Man. I thought I could tomato. Juice is not as it's not. It's not super terrible. What can we do to push it over the edge to make it undrinkable some clam sap in there. And we want a We want your visit to the bathroom later to be

equally horrible. I never told you. I just it just dawned on me. I never told you. My story here comes and ever told you my story about what happened with the chickens? About three weeks ago when I had that. You know I did that thing with radio Inc. With Ed Ryan. Yeah, his how to make real money. Right? Right. Yeah, it's a very blatant title is what I was gonna say yes. How To Make Money With pot how to make real money with podcasting. Money.

I love the I love the title. I love how it's just like, it's just you know, pulls no punches. It's like, come and make huge sums of money or something like that. So I did it on my lunch break. And like I normally do these things. And I wasn't thinking so we've got we've got chickens in the backyard. Well, I mean, they're in a coop. And so Melissa had started letting the chickens out to roam around the yard a couple of days before that. So we're trying to sort of train them in to be in you know,

like some yard chickens. And I come in, and I'm not you know, typically what I do is I come in, and I for lunch break. Just eat something as fast as I can just consume it as quickly as possible before I jump on the podcast or an interview or something. And so I'm not thinking straight. I'm eating at the same time and I let the dog out. I let banjo out. Oh, into the backyard. Yeah. And then I close and I'm in Okay, how many how many minutes did it take before you realize you're about 30

seconds. I was like, Oh crap. So I run out the back door and he's got one of the chickens pinned down by the wing sniffing it like ready to just eat? Yes. Yeah. The nowadays Yes, exactly. And you know go in there and just you know not you know, knock him and get him out I'm like yeah, you get away from it. Well then these two other chicks the two we get three the two other chickens. They freak out and bail out start running across the yard. Well he takes off after they're taken off

after him and this is 110 pound dog right? Yeah, he's well over 100 pounds. It's about 100 degrees outside now but and I'm running after about five minutes I managed to finally get my head over here you are the dog is we're close enough finally get my hand around his around his collar in and I'm able to you know to wrestle him back in here. And then it's like literally like 30 seconds before I'm supposed to jump on with Edie. I come in, come over here

and sit down and it's like, boom, love. I mean, this was like, I cannot believe I didn't look like a complete disaster. Oh, how did it go? went great. It was fun to email you later and say Hey, thanks, man. I'm making money. Now they didn't actually it's funny enough they didn't I haven't gotten any emails interesting. That didn't the date the next day. The hall gate one of our chickens so oh goodness. The lead them out in the backyard experiment didn't last very long.

Yeah, he was sorry. I'm sorry to hear that. So are you are you down one chicken so you still have two left yet? Chicken down. And I had chickens. I had probably about 10 or 12 chickens. I had the castle and I had goats and shit. And our dog. Oh yeah. of goats the worst. Yeah, it's just funny how you said, the castle. Castle. We all know it used to be rich, you know? And then I spent it all on, you know, chickens, goats, castles, helicopters, you know,

stuff like that. One does don't feel bad. I had a good time. I really did. Those 40s were a blur. Exactly. It was a good estimate. We it really was it was 30 3040. And, you know, the chickens. You know, Christina, my daughter, she was probably about 1314 at the time. And we said that let's go, you know, this whole idyllic thing. Let's go get some eggs from the chickens like, oh, yeah, we walk with a little basket and go do chickens are mean bastards. They're terrible.

They hold your hand like not at all, like in the in the in the in the fairy tale book, you know? No, no, don't love you. They love you. Yeah, a buddy of mine has chickens in his, his. He had a bunch of them. And his dog is his son at a date coming over. And he was like, first time ever, you know, like this blind date. And so then they go, that is dark. And he's like, hey, I want you to you know, once you see my chick, and she's, they were talking about how many chickens they

had. And things like, Come Come back here. And look, it's really cool. So they go, he takes her in the backyard, and they have a flashlight and everything. They're gonna show him all because they had like 15 chickens, gets back there, a raccoon had gotten in goodness. And it was just feathers and blood and guts. He was like, Oh, my God, this is horrible. Yes, there's somewhere there's an analogy in there for podcasting. I haven't quite figured it out yet. Chicken 2.0.

Well, you know what came first chicken or the egg. And I'm gonna make a bold prediction. I'm also going to say that I've really been paying attention to the hosting companies, and the speed of development, the amount of development and I've mentioned it before, we have a competition going on. Now people are seeing that these are standard items, you have to have your podcasts on podcasting 2.0 features, I think by this time next year, so that'll be what is it, August 12, Apple will have

declared the namespace in their product. And they will be using probably chapters. And the reason to get us to get a pin I gotta read. Sure. Put it put it in our blue book. And the reason for this is very simple. This is always the problem. This is the chicken in the egg of these types of situations. But now we have thanks to the app developers. We have receivers, we have radios, we have apps that understand these features,

and there's people using them. But more importantly, now we have hosting companies who are offering this content, additional content, and any product manager, any product manager will eventually say, you know, there's enough people using this that we should probably integrate some of these, which ones are we going to do? And I'm telling you and and an apple would be smart to do it because they can differentiate because Spotify is stuck in their own internal

processes. You know, Spotify will say Oh, yeah, don't make translators. You know, those will take the namespace data and we'll change that into our Spotify spec. And whatever anchor is going to create. I feel very comfortable making this prediction, this prediction. I really do. I can see the writing on the wall and and then then we all need to pat ourselves on the back and go, Oh, shit, we have this power all along. That's what Well, that's what hasn't done it. Isn't that what

we've been saying since the beginning? Everybody has this power. Yeah, that's why I'm coming. I'm preparing everyone for the I told you so. Oh, okay. Everybody. Yeah, no, no, like this. That's a bold prediction. And everyone can be really proud because it's there. It's done. You know, it's gonna happen, it's inevitable, it's unavoidable. And even Spotify, you know, they, again, they're stuck in their internal processes and beliefs, etc. But

we have some massive lift off here. I mean, just step back and look around and see what's happening when you have hosts at the level of rss.com and Buzzsprout. But you know, also transistor and captivate and, and you have, let us know the blueberry and has dos Castillo's Lind let's not forget who's our French friends I keep forgetting. Oh cast apod cast the pod Yeah. spod cast Oh pod which is basically hosting

company in a box. We're creating the car Vantage is being created the it's almost like, I mean, you see it with everything when the capability is offered at scale, which now the content is offered at scale Hans, I can yeah dog sorry, she, she liked the chicken, she's I'm done with the chickens. Definitely Nima she the dog, our dog is also over 100 pounds, it's just and I leave the door

open. And she can't quite get through without her side scraping the door, you know, but she could push and it would open. She won't do it. She just stands there. Like I can't do it. 100 pounds, she could go through the door with a when it was closed, if you want to do anyway. My dog has not figured out that he could get anything off the counter that he wanted. It just doesn't make sense to him. I mean, he could easily just pill for everything and the whole package.

So look at browsers, you know, look at the many projects that have shaped what browsers are today. Now it's all extra features. Its entire, you know, programming languages have been added to browsers. So this this will have this will happen to all apps. It's it's a done deal. It really is. And I'm so proud of everybody. Really is so fucking proud. I can't explain. It's so it's so cool. Yeah, I did use done it. Did you see that? Listen notes is going to add hosting. No. And

that maderos posted this so Oh, interesting. Just a minute. Well, I mean, it's on their side. The one question I have is, it says at the bottom that coming in fall, sign up for the pre waitlist. It's coming in fall of 2022. But we're already we're already way beyond fall of 2022. So I don't really know if this I don't know what the status of this thing is. But supposedly it's free. Oh, okay. I don't Well, you don't have to have you I know you and everybody has mixed feelings about free.

It's that and it's also you know, I don't I haven't really had time to digest it because he's, he's posted this morning and but I don't know, something makes me uncomfortable about director directories also doing hosting. Okay, it's sort of like that. Well, I mean, same with Apple. But it makes me uncomfortable that Apple is doing hosting. You know, they're they're hosting Moravec feeds for subscriptions. Rick, if this was that, I think I would be a little bit less concerned by it.

If it was like, Oh, hey, we're gonna be oh, what I mean, because they're because they will won't expose feeds or something like that. Well, yeah. Okay. So this is an AP. No, it's not it's not that it's just that listen. So listen, notes is a is an AP on a directory just like podcasts index. Aha. No, not just like pod Well, expert. Okay. Understand? Yes. Correct. Correction. They listened notes is a directory and API in the vein of podcast index, okay. And

I don't know that it is just something about it. I don't know that it feels appropriate for the day, he would be like it would be like if the if the library also published books. What you know, what, are they going to put their stuff at the end? They're gonna give their self their stuff favoritism. Yeah. That bothers more here. Well, all right. Because you Okay, well, okay, I just it just go ahead, go. Well, I'm gonna say this. Anybody who is thinking of

getting into the hosting game, you are insane. It is very, very difficult to run a good hosting company. For two reasons. One is your bandwidth management. Certainly if you are expecting to have big hits, and you are not going to own them. Second, is you're dealing with people who are almost on par with ham radio operators when it comes to time suck. And, and education needs. These are people company, they really are people company. And you know, so you know, why does everybody have Why does a

Buzzsprout have a podcast? Why does Lipson have a podcast? Why does blueberry have a podcast? This is all part of it. You know Todd Cochran? spends half his day talking to podcasters you know, onboarding, you got to go to conferences, you have to have presence. I mean, this is not just oh, we'll just turn Yeah, well, it's kind of the reverse of value for value in the ask, you know, if, if you're not asking for any money, you say, here it is, we're free, you're gonna get a bunch of shit.

You're just gonna get shit. And then and so but now you have to weed through shit to help people who don't understand anything. Which kind of which if you don't mind, moves me to marketing. Okay, because I want to talk about this marketing of the of podcasting. 2.0 Yes, you know, podcasting, 2.0 marketing, explanation, education, the things that everyone is talking about incessantly the stuff that we're really good at this, that we are

no good at. And, and you and I privately have given up on it. And we said, let's just see if it's true. Let's just see what happens. So I want to make it clear, it is my belief that podcasts index has no need to be marketed, it does not need to be a destination site does not need to be an education site does not need to be anything other than a pointer to apps, services, develop developers and other relevant resources. Okay. So just like everything else, in podcasting, we need to

decentralize this. And I have, of course, we will support anybody who sets up an informational site, or an educational, so any, anything you have, will point to it, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll make a page and here's more information. So if people somehow wind up at podcasts, index.org they can find it. But we have so many people who don't know, Dan J. Lewis, this is why I think I finally got him to understand, like, why don't you just set something up, call it

podcasting 2.0 education in your butt.com. And then we'll point it that actually don't, and then we'll point to it and make a great kick ass explanation. But you know, when we get into, let's divide the brands of the into, I don't give a shit we don't have we don't care. We don't care. This is not a business. It's a resource, its love of and long, long, long term, maybe we'll get some SATs, that'll be worth something one

day. That's it. And everything else is to serve the podcast industry, no podcaster needs to come to us to understand how to do this, because they're not gonna get they're never gonna get anything. And we can't design this by committee, you know, make it and I want Cridland to make his own kids and does this all his own new podcast apps version, and this is fine. It doesn't have to be one central place where then we we already saw pull requests, it doesn't really work. You know,

make it a testing ground for stuff. You know, I love what comics or Blogger did with the with the boosts with using the value block from the website and Albie. So thanks for that to five other sites. No, Steven B. That was always even me. I'm sorry. So but but you're right. Regardless, there's no third party sites. It's all first party information. If you're involved in this write it, you know, I want to have a definitive pod pain page that explains everything I know who

should write it. You know, let's have all that and let's let's point to those pieces like a directory does, because that's what we are. I've got I've got thoughts. Okay. And these thoughts came from the recently now completed slideshow presentation for the podcast. Do you have a slide for me, which is just how to make money? Yeah, no, you have one slide in the presentation is this slide number two? It says intro dadada perfect. Exactly what I wanted. Yeah.

And the other 41 slides or me or for me 41 slides. You're never gonna make it. I'm gonna do it. He watched me watch. We're gonna make an okay. Practice. Don't put on a damn clinic. I'm gonna, no I haven't practiced at all I'm gonna wing it. So, but my thoughts from from the from putting this thing together is it's what I had to the structure of it is going tag by tag and saying, Okay, here's the tag and I built an infographic for it.

infographic. Okay, saying infographic gives it way more credit than it deserves. Is it two circles? Is it a box? It's things I'll show you but Okay, so I did, I did a little graphic for each for each tag and showed shows how it works trying to visualize things. And Steven B, says, nobody's claimed a podcasting education in your book.com yet, so go grab there. So we, so it's just slide slides or take this form, tag in tag with, with a graphic, maybe a couple of bullet points. And

then an example, like a screenshot. Working through that process made me think, okay, a really good site, marketing, PR,

whatever you want to call us. If there was a website that was say that catered to developers, and and podcasters, who wanted to find out about each individual feature, you could have a site that did that, in which it has some graphics, a clear plain English explanation, links to the developer resources for how to build it, some example code, sure, and then, and then some screenshots and like that would be one page, one page for each

tag. Sure. That that's, then that's do and then you can link it in, you can get fancy in and put some sort of get, we put some sort of GitHub action on there. When we finalize the tag, it automatically generates a static HTML out of it or something like that. You knock yourself out. It's all there. And so the second part of what I was going to say to bring this full circle the hosting companies they are first contact they are they the front office for podcasters. And forget about

what we're doing. You know, forget about Casta pod people forget about sovereign feed people like myself, hosting companies, they have hundreds of 1000s of customers. And we're

gonna build a website somewhere over here. Yeah. Yeah. Well, which by the way, is okay because maybe they'll point to it, maybe there's some some great resources that are they can use and they can lift and they can transmogrify, but I know Buzzsprout speaks differently to their, to their clients, then blueberry, they just speak different languages. So those are the guys that they are the educators. They are. I was listening to pod land, and EVO taro was co hosting. And he

said, you know, he's really into value for value stuff. He loves it. And he says, You know, I was I use fountain now exclusively, and I was listening to all these fiction podcasts. And I realized, it was so horrible that none of my favorite fiction podcasts were value for value enabled, and I was so bummed out. And so I'm boosting this show, saying, Hi. Please contact the podcast host, and alert them to this wonderful thing. And you can say podcaster wallet.com. You can say fountain.fm. You

know, you can point to different hosting companies. You know, obviously, we know that rss.com now has it integrated, and others. This is this is how it works. And we all have that responsibility. And that needs to be on someone's website where they explain what we're doing is like, how does how does it work? Well, you know, if you hear someone who doesn't have it, and you listen to a podcast, tell them send them here. So, just so

everyone knows, I'm way okay with it. You know, don't sit around waiting for Dave and Adam to do anything because, and we do everything by the seat of our pants. We have no fucking plan. No, none. We've never had one. If not, our plan is 30 days out, you know, that's it? Do we have enough money for 30 days? Okay. So that's, that's our plan. And we're not planning any marketing, we're not planning any of it, it doesn't make sense for us to be doing it. Nor does it make sense for it to be at

this place. Well, as a pointer, of course, but you know, everyone needs to point to everything, since we have so many talented people who can hopefully everyone can get over the hump of, you know, there doesn't have to be one official version of this, you know, I can already see how Daniel's is gonna be different from James and I can see how this will be

different. I can see how what you just described maybe Alex gates gives a shot at that, you know, or someone who's just listening who wants to contribute and help out being these are all great things that we can do. And if we can get over the it has to be one official thing, which doesn't as far as I'm concerned, then we're good to go. That's part of value for value is that it doesn't have to be

one is so none None of this is none of this is licensed. We don't you know, we don't own No, we haven't trademarked any of this stuff is like just take take all the podcasts and 2.0 graphics and pocket that he'll take our podcasts index. And all that nature. I just do the whole thing off our hands please set it up somewhere else run it on your metal.

Yeah. Hey, where yourself you know knock stuff out. That's it's all great with us that no, James, on the last episode episode of Caitlyn said that we were said that you and our teenagers? Yes, I heard that. Yeah. Hello. Hello. Now this is a new revelation. Wow. Okay, I know it's like, Oh, gee. Yeah, my, my wife could have told you that years ago. No, no, it's 100%. Right. That means the excellently named pimp podcast and yeah, is, is only that's only one component of the

teenager pneus of this entire endeavor. The other component is we don't make any plans yet. And because we don't make plans, and because you know, we're just doing this cuz it's good is the right thing to do. Well, let us have some fun. joke around a little bit. Yeah, Dad. Come on, man. I'm trying to be real professional. So I would like to talk for a moment. Yes. About Satoshi dice dream. Oh, okay. Can see because this fits in with just go do

some stuff. Okay. Satoshi. Satoshi dice. Yeah, I love that. Nobody knows who this person is. They don't know if they don't know the, the gender of this person. It's this person is just known as Satoshi dice tray. Yes. I'm not even sure that this person likes us really. I'm inclined to think that they do not but it's a Dutch person. I'm pretty sure

is it easy to Okay. I feel like it's hard to determine whether or not Dutch people like you from their tone of voice in English or RX they come across as very harsh. What what is that is that? Well, first of all, they live underwater practically so they're stressed. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. You know, they're farmers are their farmers are blocking the roadways. So they throw in turds on the capital. Yeah, it's a country you know, they are the narco capital of the European

Union. So I don't know there's a lot of things but it's it really is just the way they speak English and just comes up to Carl he just comes across just comes across his very harsh they have definite like like downstrokes on the ending of the things they say is that is that the language has something to do with the reversal of words and when so I have I have been to my grandmother's I can't even do it right but everything is backwards so somehow on the

unscramble it and put it in the right order it just comes across as harsh okay, but they're not because the Dutch are fantastic people that very very loving when you break through the what you think is a harsh shell, but they're pretty cool. So, but not this guy, whoever this person is, this person is just a jerk sometimes. Yeah. Absolute douche Satoshis dot stream. He emailed me said,

feel free to share this in podcasting. tupuna Oh, okay. So he said you finally have some time to wait, constitution, industrial comics, comics are bloggers actually, Satoshi. Now that would be a heck of a reveal. Right? Wouldn't that be an eye opener? Yeah. Finally says finally have some time to work on Satoshi stream. Again, don't expect too much too soon. But I'm working on a web version. Oh, it also supports multiple nodes on our side for

load balancing. So I said our Okay, so there's more than one person involved? He says and it means we do not need telegram anymore to manage podcasts. Thank goodness. Yeah, that was the one downside to do not like using telegram. Yeah. And he says working on some back end things. Now the endpoints seems to work and he gave some other stuff. So anyway, that's,

that's cool. Very cool. So we'll have another easier option because I've always felt I always felt weird about telling people to go to telegram because it seems so scammy Yeah, telegram is where all the NFT crap happens and people get their money. So and I'm always getting chicks. DMing me? Yeah, German chicks. And of course, it's all the same Indian dude, or the guy from Nairobi or whatever. Nigeria Nigeria. Report. Yes, yes, Ty it's

annoying. It's tiring. That's very cool. I presume this is part of what Alby is kicked off, you know, I'll be somehow they did something just a little different than I think it's great. They picked up to Elon URL protocol and really ran with it. Because that's like Elon bits. That was one of the things we looked at in the very beginning. It's like, holy shit, there's a lot you can do these little apps, you can build yourself and set it up with its own separate little wallet on

your node. You know, I always thought that would be something that was cool. Yeah, for sure. So now to have Satoshi stream doing that is very smart in general. I also wanted to say for, for app developers, I think what, I'm not sure, but I think what pod verse has now done, in which the App Store accepted in testflight, is you hook up your Alby node after you get the app right. Which is what they always wanted. That's That's what and that makes so much sense.

Yeah, it does. Because there's no there's no, there's no no violation possible for the AppStore. Exactly. And, and pod verse doesn't have to worry about ever being, you know, a claim that they are messing with keys or miss right? coins or whatever. Yeah, that's great. I did I haven't had a chance to play with it yet. Because it has happened so soon before the show. But have you been stuck? Did you install it? No. No, I don't have iOS and, and even then I'll still have to

wait. Once it hits the Google Store, then I have to wait a couple of days. And then I can get it through? What's that? The spoof? This is pretty cool spoof store for graphene spoof store. Yeah. So you don't have to have any of the Google Play services on your phone. And you use I'm sure it's insecure Aurora store. And so Aurora store masks itself as a valid user. And then you can you can download the apps that are in play store. That's pretty cool. Actually, that's interesting.

I hope it's, it's, it's reasonably secure. I don't know. I mean, you still don't know what an apple do. What an app mean, and of course, you know, stuff like backup to Google Drive. And that's, that doesn't work. But generally, the apps will run chance that you log into Albion, the pod verse app, and then it acts just like another plug into that. Oh, yeah, that's like, there was something back on the test flight, I don't think I'm only reading

something else. I also wanted to mention, I finally read through the Tarot white paper. This is a lightning labs thing that they that they announced they got the $75 million investment and part of what they were doing with that money is Taro, which is a new protocol for multi asset Bitcoin and lightning. And was very interesting about this. And, and at first, I was like,

Oh, I don't know if I like this, I'm not quite sure. But then, when I really dug into it, it's quite interesting, the way they've done this, and I'm still not, I'm still unsure of the legality, because it's kind of what Brian of London has done with hive. So over the Lightning Network, you could pay a hive node in hive, and say, Alright, I want this to go to Dave in

hive. And it'll go through this exchanger node, which will turn it into Lightning Lightning then finds the route to another exchanger node on the other end for you to receive I wonder if

it could be the same one. And and then of course, the settlement ultimately takes place over on chain wants the channels close, etc. But likewise, you could send $10 In hive and it goes straight into a US dollar wallet on the other end $10 or with whatever minimal lightning fee and so the more I thought about it, the more I'm like oh, you know, that may not be bad for us. If people can literally just hook it up to their bank account or you know, some other type of Fiat account.

I'm good. So my understanding of it was that you can use it allows you to use Bitcoin not to tear Taro is something that is part of the Bitcoin Core, right? Or is it? Oh, no, no, I think it's just something that's a part of l&d. Because the reason I say that is because they tap tap root enabled Taro. Oh, okay. That's what Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah, taproot gives you the functionality, but there's a core there's a bitcoin core component to the allowing the scripting to do the taro.

Yeah. So that my understanding is the way I saw it described was that you could say you could have like, I don't know, let's say 20 bucks and USD C. And then you could transfer that over a lightning channel and it would come out at the other end. and still being USDC. Yeah, but basically, you could punch anything in on one end, and it'll come out the other end. The middle, the transport mechanism is lightning is lightning. Exactly. Exactly. Which, of course, ultimately is

on chain settlement. And so the idea is the way I see it is, you know, and it's kind of relevant with Swift, the SWIFT network swift payment network being dismantled, and you know, kicking people off Oh, yeah. So now you have a way? Well, you could, you could literally, if if the network has a ruble node in there, you could send us dollars, it will go into the into the lightning node that will poop it out into Moscow into Putin's lap in rubles, so that he can turn the turn the gas back on.

Hey, give me a Putin man. So yeah, well, you. I guess the advantage of that, if I understand correctly, is that you're not, there's no fees? Well, I'll read from the announcement. Today, we're excited to announce Taro, a new Chapron powered protocol for issuing assets on the Bitcoin Blockchain that can be transferred over the Lightning Network for instant high volume low fee transactions. That's my Ryan Gentry voice. Oh, yeah. You said just like, wow. It's my breath away. Okay,

yeah. So that means you can use the, the bit you can get the benefits of the low fee. Transaction. Yeah. But without and so you're not paying fees in the currency of the thing it is. Supposedly, well, it'll, I mean, here's, here's the flaw that I see. And maybe it isn't flaw. So you're gonna have to have these translator nodes. Right? That that says, Okay, this is this, you know, I'm receiving USDC or L USD, and whatever. That's, that's what what is that? Oh, that's lightning US dollars. I'm

sure they're gonna have a stable coin. Well, until they're CDB sees you're gonna have to work with stable coins and stable coins, that that's not going to be a problem. Those will be regulated. I are going to be regulated by the EU think they'll be regulated by the CFTC. Or by the SEC. The SEC. Okay, because that's because it's protect like, technically an equity. I believe so. Yeah. It's a financial instrument. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And there's lots of pegged currencies and stuff. So I think

that'll that'll be okay. So once you have that, but you also need a you know, a remedy B and A one digital token they may exist I don't know enough about them. The bottom line is the system that we have in place now and and I love the romance of Bitcoin and, and I prefer Bitcoin, most definitely over any kind of a financial instrument. But it will, the Lightning Network is going to become very easy to integrate

with local currencies. I'm just saying I think a lot of this stuff will go through transition there'll be a lot of opportunity for onboarding make it easier I mean, the dollar is not going to go away tomorrow and Bitcoin is the king okay. Yeah, let's be really clear about that. And you can still receive your your value for value payments and Bitcoin in fact, that's probably preferable. But if you want you can you know, you could even have one split go off and put some into your bank account.

Yeah, well, the brands already doing that. Like he said, This is what I'm saying. Yeah, he's already doing exactly that. Yeah, he's already gets a crazy med no half machine and I mean, I expect him to create a one of these translators thingamajigger Yeah, and he'll become a millionaire you watch. He already is we already know that. I do have confirmation. Indeed. When we were talking about ROI over there and breeze land was indeed listening in bed.

Did he has his robot he had the robe on the floppy had the floppy slippers were next to the bed because he was in his bed. But yes, we do have a confirmation that he indeed was listening in his bed with a Huawei shoe six confirmations before silk sheets. We need to discuss we need to discuss the Verify tag. Okay, I've been doing a little bit of that this week. Well, actually, you know what, let's talk about the let's talk about the block tech first. Okay, you want to do some tag talk?

Yeah, tag talk we need we need a jingle for tag talk. All we have is this. And now it's time first time My hot namespace talk. I like tag talk kind of better, though. Tag that that would lend itself to a quick punchy jingle. Yes. Tag talk tag talk. Everybody loves tag talk ha. Maybe not the HA. Like you're exhausted. I am. Gay the the block tech. No longer is. I think everybody understands the

way this works or at least hopefully they do. But there was discussion this week a little bit of a of a mild in podcast index dot social terms, a mild kerfuffle. With James and volunteer, he tends to be involved in these. With that was my punch line. Oh, sorry, about the blog about the blog tag and its applicability to

Apple podcasts. Okay, so I'm going to, I'm going to first read from the Apple document known as because we all know hopefully by now that the iTunes namespace declares a dot a DTD, that actually is a 404. So if you try to go and if you try to click on or go to the URL where the namespace wants you to, it doesn't exist. It hasn't existed for many, many, many years,

maybe ever. I'm not sure if it's ever existed. But the second best thing to a to that specification, which is a document from Apple on Apple's own website, of which I have made a safe copy. When I What was the kerfuffle, you've set us up with all this kerfuffle talk, but what was the disagreement? Did I'm still you're still set up. Sorry. Yeah, this is the longest setup, it'll ever so from this

document, is a podcast is called a podcasters. Guide to RSS, and this is sort of like, Apple's way of describing all their tags and what they do, and why you should use them and all that, right. So when in under the iTunes blog, it says it's channel level item. And here's the description they give the podcast show or hide status. So that's in their directory, or, or whatever. If you want your show removed from the Apple

directory, use this tag. Okay. Next, specifying the iTunes block tag with a yes value prevents the entire podcast from appearing in Apple podcasts. specifying any other value, other than yes has no effect. So I'm gonna tell you why I'm going to this sounds like what I'm saying. It sounds like what I'm saying is, Apple spec says that this that the iTunes blog tag only applies to Apple podcasts, which it does. But the I'm not

saying that means that that's actually the case. The kerfuffle was that we need the podcast blog tag, because the iTunes blog tag only applies to Apple's directory. Okay. And James said, No, that's not the case. And I don't know if he meant that that was the actual text of the spec, or if he was just referring to the way it's done in practice. This is where and in this is what I'm trying to get at. The the actual spec language itself

says that it only applies to Apple podcasts, right. But what has happened in the last 20 years is that ever since there was no other way to block a podcast? Then everybody said, okay, the iTunes blog, blog tag is what it actually means where we're all going to treat it as if it means is that we're blocks everything. Okay, it's a blank, it's a blanket block. So there's a disconnect between what the spec says and what everybody does in reality, and we have to, and we have to live in reality,

we can't always live in the spec. So you got to live like, I think, who was that guy? Francis Schaeffer said you you got to live in the world as it is. So the world as it is, is that it blocks everything but that's not the end of the story. Because that doesn't mean that we can say okay, well, that's fine. That's a solid problem. Because the the one scenario that you cannot do with that with the iTunes blog tag is decide that you only want to blog apple and nobody else.

Right, because the reality is people will see that as a full block. As a full block. Yes. So you can't it if I want to buy If I want to block Apple only and allow it for everybody else, that will never be doable without his blog tag. Because that because then you get back into now. Now the the wording of the spec matters. Read the you can't live in the reality over here because Apple will never honor that will never honor that any other way. And so well excuse me, nobody else will

honor that any other way. Because because that's the way it's written. So anyway, that's, that's what I'm trying to. That's the reason that sort of like that little Crux there that that gotcha is the reason why there's multiple gotchas, but that's one big one. As to why the blanket the blanket block tune as written in the market block tag as written in iTunes spec is just not tenable. And we needed something different. Yeah, I understand. So I don't see the issue. Well, I don't see

anything. So there's no issue. No, I just sold it when people were just fighting them to fight. Yeah, that's what people find most of the time. Because they don't have anything else to do. All right. I like to bring it home. I like to block tag. We're already using it. What are you blocking? If I am blocking Hold on a second let me let me double

check in my sovereign feeds. We are on a second show info block oh is that only for I think I'm only doing that I know agenda let me see because I have to do it here too then let me see show info. I think I put it podcast blog no you okay you say you have no blog. Okay no agenda I have Spotify and Facebook selected

okay cool. All right. Yes, Facebook even do podcasting anymore and I think they've been I don't know it was a selection in the menu you're like yes give me some listen if you if you know the menu this is all sovereign feeds. Yeah, it's interesting. I can block I can block Buzzsprout from importing my feed for some reason Yeah, well I know what he did I know what he did he pulled in. Pulled in the full slug list Yes. From the yes yes. Shout engine slack SoundCloud Twitter booshka YouTubes and can

I can block them all? I don't know if it does anything but it's cool to add people just like photos of like Hey, I blocked you bitch hack makes me feel powerful like teenagers do Yeah, exactly. Exactly. No it's so I'm so we're proud users of

this. I like and I can't wait until Spotify sucks in our feed again I can say excuse me Okay, excuse me talk to my lawyer I mean my blog tag yeah look at it look at it people can't you read just cinema screenshot Okay, so the the the in more tag talk here the generator tag? Yes. I heard Andy's feelings this week. Andy. Yeah, Andy layman. Oh, what did you do? I turned his lemon creations generator reference back in overrode it back to WordPress and he and it

hurt his feelings. But so what I did was don't understand. Yeah, no, I know that makes no sense. So there's I don't understand this okay. So somebody didn't knows about WordPress needs to tell me what the crap is going on with these with with the way WordPress does the generator tag let me pull one up so I can look inside the generator tag an existing tag? Yeah, yeah, it's an art it's missing the original original RSS. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna pull up new media show here. And here

we go. I'm gonna pull up their feed. And this is this is what I see in their feed. It has a generator tag. This is a word that is just list wordpress.com. And then they also have this weird like, commented out. It's like he's got a little like, less than son exclamation point dash dash. You know that that HTML comment. Oh, yeah. And it's got it's one of the lightest starts with that. And then it says podcast underscore generator equals blueberry space power press slash the version

number or whatever. And then close comment. So it's like it has. It's a, it's its own. It's a different generator tag, but it's commented out. And I don't understand why that happens. But because I can't but but normally, I can't parse that because it's a comment. Mill, it doesn't see it. Okay. Yeah. So what what I'm trying to do is do proper attribution. I'm trying to say, Okay, here's how many feeds. So this applies to cast

cast O's, and blueberry. Because they have these, you know, a vast fleet of these WordPress plug in podcast generators, like to the to the tune of 10s of 1000s of these things. So that's potentially, I mean, I think I'm gonna give blanket numbers, I think each one of them have probably about 30,000 of these. So that's 660 1000 which is not an insignificant number of podcasts being hosted on WordPress with their plugins.

And I want to I want to properly know within the index that this podcast is being generated by power press, not WordPress, I see yet or seriously simple podcasting plugin, not WordPress. So I changed to do a quick like just an int a an index of you know, if index of podcast underscore generator equal greater than negative one and I just get pull that string out before I do the XML parse. Grab that if that and then so that later, I can override the WordPress thing, the WordPress

generator tag with the proper generator string. And by doing that, I Andy, Andy's Lehmann creations podcast WordPress plugin it properly says the generator tag to Lehmann creations and so I accidentally and so by doing that I clobbered him because I finally understand what the problem sorry. But see, but I don't understand I need I need a PA. I need a WordPress guru to explain to me why AMD is able to properly set his generator tag and everybody else does this weird thing with

the comment with the comment. What's the point of that? Why can't Why can't they do it the right way? I know it's people, man. People do annoying shit. Okay. There's a long way to go. But but I need it. I need this. I need this. God telling me why but and just so I understand you need it because you just need to know what's coming from where just for all kinds of other stuff. I need it. Well, I need to know that my code is doing something

right. Like is there something else? If there's something I'm missing here? Then I may be I may have coded around a problem that doesn't exist. I just need somebody to explain it to me so I can understand that what I'm doing is actually legitimate. Got it? I finally upgraded my Umbral How did you get that to happen? This sucked this really wow balls so I have two umbrellas one is running on old on the surface. That's actually the one

that runs the booster grams. I have not attempted an upgrade on that because that's kind of the production machine. You know when that's offline, the first thing that happens is I get Chad F and comic strip blogger telling me that podcasting sucks and doesn't work. Actually, Jeff is like the canary in the coal mine. Hey, you're not accepting sad sums down rip rip rip. It's

the best alert emoji. Yes, the best. That's how I know it's broken is Chad F. That's how I know when pa things broken because Brian tells me all right. So I was just trying to get from Oh, from Oh dot four dot 18 I guess two O dot five dot O, which is a significant kind of half upgrade for them. But it's, you know, this change in the way to do the app stores. And I wanted to reinstall IPFS because, you know, that new app is dependent upon the new

structure. And so there's just one of these things that kept pushing off and this morning was the morning and I decided to use the one that is the Bitcoin machines which we talked about on the last show, which is you know, it's the one that comes from the factory. And it's like the you should not have to open

this up. Well, I did because whatever I did, and it's funny to look at Umbral help websites and bump into Cridland and you and all kinds Brian of London, like are we all just stupid is that problem there is only us clearly the path has been beaten before me and like, oh, okay, so

I'm not the only guy who hasn't been able to figure this out. So what I wound up doing is I wound up reflashing, the OS, which is on, which is pretty easy on the Bitcoin machine, the standard housing and this Raspberry Pi, because it uses the SD card, which I have to actually use needle nose pliers to get it out. Who Oh, because it's well, it's behind the front of the of the in casing. And so you can't really get your fingers in

there. And now, of course, that so I've reflashed it, it comes back up and says it's been updated when it hasn't, we've all seen this. And then I did update again. And then it took and everything worked. Now, I have I also turned off my raspberry my pie hole and I unhooked tail scale thinking that might have made a difference. I don't know. The bummer now is of course this so I've got the the stock OS which

which I downloaded from the get Umbral website. But now the display doesn't work, because this is probably some extra stuff that Bitcoin machine guys put in or whatever. Just doesn't work. So yeah, anyway, it does work. And I found a cool app, which I told you about, which is Oak was oak tree, oak node oak node, the thing you've been building for months. Yeah, the thing that totally sure lost my cron job. Yeah, that's the well, if you look at this thing, it creates cron jobs.

That's all it does. Yes. The front end for cron job. You have an input like 144 If you want it to be a one day interval. Oh, funny. So this thing creates it calls it creates a cron job that calls ln CLI to send the payment. Yes, sir. That's exactly what I do. I know. They put a handsome interface on top of it. Oh, man doesn't have a handsome interface. It's just got it. It's just Nano. Nano, man vi at least come on out here with you via baby No, Max. Come on. Cord me bitch. Let's go man Oh,

I can't believe you day. You went through all that and then broke the screen. Yeah, that's disappointing. It really well. I'm going to reboot it and then see if by magic that comes but I ran out of time for like, okay, it's working at least it for now. It's working. And yeah, beautifully brought out sync the chain, got my channels back. So all of that stuff. That was quite amazing. And it is very pretty. The new version is beautiful.

Oh, it's dynamite. It's dynamite. I don't I'm still on 4.18 Because I don't know what I honestly don't know what to do to get because I don't. The problem is you people can flatter SD cards and still see that's the next that's the next machine I have to do. I don't have an SD card. So I'm not sure what to do on that one.

It's all is on that one is your I think it's like my problem is that my partition that holds the blockchain chain files to the 400 gigabytes of Bitcoin blockchain is the same partition the same volume that holds lightning the hole excuse me, the holes the Umbral route. Oh, I bet I did exactly the same.

And so if you if that's the case, then when it makes that the backup of the onboard directory is going to be backing up your whole blockchain just like it did with me and you're gonna run out of space. Man, I feel like what I'm gonna have to do is shut every like, click. I feel like this is the scenario. Turn off all stop all the Docker services. Yeah. Move the blockchain move the blockchain files over. This is what you did last time. No, no, but I'm going to No, no. This is a great experiment.

No, this is a tear. No, no, I'm not doing it the same way I did last time. That was that was janked up and that was horrible. Okay. nesbit's would be much better. Create, put in a set a second drive by one terabyte drive. Move the blockchain files over to it manually, right. Didn't mount it as a separate volume. And then and then try it again. A shadow? No, I don't understand how

that sounds. It's really too bad. I mean, because this a lot of the early adopters who are just like me adopters, not not super smart. Did a lot of this stuff. You know, this is my first experience with Docker and speaking of speaking of Docker, it's it's fantastic when it comes to pod paying it has. It has made me a firm believer in that for sure. Oh, really? Yeah, we did. We just did an upgrade and I'm Alex bouschet, I'm a version 1.25. I think we have

the memory, the memory leak problem licked. So the issue there, as we, as we understand it currently, is that the, it's not that it wasn't a memory leak, it wasn't actually a memory leak. So, you know, the way the the way that the OS memory manager tends to work is, you know, if you if you attempt is your if your software attempts to allocate some memory malloc, or whatever process is using, if it asks for memory, the OS will give it some, and then the software can say, Okay,

I'm done with this memory, I'm gonna free it. And it can give it back. Well, there's various flags that you can set when you give it back. And one of those flags in this case, I think it's like mad V underscore free or something like that. It will, the effect it has is it says, Okay, I'm done with this memory, the operating system can have it back. But for some reason, no. But I don't necessarily, I may need it again, or something,

something along those terms. Well, this certain flag when it sees that the operating system says, Okay, I see that I can use this memory again, but I'm not going to necessarily reclaim it right now. I'm just going to leave it out there. And with the idea that if you if the system ever comes under memory pressure, then it will go get that stuff. It's like, okay, I know, I've got a bunch of memory over here I can use but I'm not going to bother with right now. And it's like, oh, I'm running

low on memory, I'll go get that. I'll go get that. Right. Evidently, the containers, the Docker containers, somehow obscure that process or make that process unreliable, so that the freed memory doesn't necessarily get reclaimed properly, even under memory pressure. Okay. And so what what he did was he switched it, he switched the Docker container to use a different Python interpreter. And we think that that's all the problem. Like it's been running for a long

time. Now, what was happening is like, within a few hours, it would be up like almost run out of memory. And now it looks like the memory is just kind of rock solid at around. 300 300. Meg's. Anyway, that's, I think, sh and upgrading with the Docker was like, I mean, it took like five seconds. It was awesome. Yes, I'm a believer on that now. Yeah, I'm looking at my disk I have about I'm using about 60% of that one terabyte so I'm not gonna be able to do it.

Yeah, we got to figure out a proper solution to this problem. Because yeah, I literally can't upgrade and if I can't upgrade, I can't develop Ella Pat anymore. Right? Umbral, right? Right? Right? Yeah, they don't they don't seem to have they don't seem to have a good fix for for the non standard install. Okay, just reinstall it over it. Was that fucked everything up? I think that's part of what I did last time it went went berserk.

Quickly, Dame Jennifer will be on in the board meeting in the next two weeks, I guess. Oh, yes. Next week. So next week is next week. Yeah. Damn, Jennifer has raised her hand to coordinate the hackathon. And her first question was what's a hackathon? That's exactly who you want running your hackathon. Yes. Perfect. It should be perfect. Yeah. We'll get some it'll be fun to have her on. Here we need to we use she's a user she's a user she a user of this stuff. What I mean by that is of course

she creates animated no agenda. So she's deep into bitcoin understands all this stuff. She'll she'll say she doesn't but she does. She does. Yeah. What's what's? What's her? What's her day job? Marketing? Like promotion? You know, I'm not sure she. I know she. I'm not sure right now. I guess that's what we think she's I think she's independently wealthy. She's probably like a vie Countess or something. Like this. She's she's got like old British money.

Okay. Does she have goats and chickens in her castle? No, I don't know. I don't. I don't think she does. She lives kind of on the Qt on the DL. You know, it's like, don't want anyone though. Yeah. She hasn't. He has an island in the right off the Charleston coast. I sure hope so. You have guest rooms. Just the next question. Rooms actually. Did we talk about trending last time? Yeah.

About trending podcasts. You know, there's there's always, you know, we have the most recent what endpoint do we have on the API which tells you what it's like our trending API endpoint or I think that's what it's called. I think it's just rendering. Yeah. So it always tickles me to see people say, Well, you know, it's a very black box over there podcast index, that training thing. We don't know how that works. And we don't like boss.

Yeah. And the reason why is because these all of these Rancors, which I'd never heard before, is that a British version of rank a ranking? Whenever I hear that, hear it in my head spelled SEO or Oh, yeah. rank or exactly. So it's a rancor, which are completely meaningless. Because everything's game a bowl. And everyone's known this for so long. And this, everyone's using weird data, like number of subscribes versus unsubscribes? And, you know, maybe some people some download that, I don't

know. But why don't we just do it by, you know, and we can only do it for value for value, but we could have an interesting overview of people who have received the most streaming transactions, not the amount, but the number of transactions. And since we receive 1%, we should be able to track that. Was that a data exercise that puts the fear of God into you? It doesn't make me afraid. But they are in different places. The the 1% data is in the node, right? Not in the index

database. Correct. But it can be pulled, yes. Okay, so and the reason why is because then you can see who has people listen to them, actually listening. This will be a great, this will be a great stat to have. And you can say, you know, here's we can just do minutes listened. I had a really great conversation this week with Alberto from lorises.com, we were talking about stats, we had a phone call. And he was just bringing helping me brainstorm

some better ways to do the stats. So this is actually really, really timely, because I'm going I want to get rid of that stats page, on the thing that on the website on the muddiest index side, this shows like, post submitted fees, a number of them and all of this horrible, horrible needs to go. It's just it's a piece of garbage and needs to go away. I wouldn't mind right there having a number of minutes. Listen today. So that's what I'm thinking is maybe. So he encouraged he said,

Hey, here's what he says, here's what I suggest. I suggest that you There's already people doing stats, people like John Spurlock and, and Daniel J. Lewis has a podcast industry and size as other people out there doing staff. You don't necessarily want to be in the stats game, right? So he suggested to just do some sort of score. And the score would be something very

vanilla and understandable. And so that and then other than that, we just give give out the raw data, or huh, and then let people compile it into different versions of the way they want to. And one of those one of those scores could be number of first stream Sheriff ministry. Do you have minute stream number of I presume, can we see? Can we see if payments are coming from the same sender? Well, I guess technically, if they have if they put an alias in or

something, I guess. It's not very, it's not machine readable? Yeah. Not machine readable. But you know, for me, it's just I just like to know how many people and of course, it's only gonna be valued for value. But you know, doesn't matter if I have 10 this week, and I have 20 Next week, reasonable assumption

is have gone up. And then the next thing I'd like to know maybe this is more a hosting company statistic is where people boost and we I think we've been through this, right, it almost shows itself what it wants to be no timeline, its game, even if it's a game of all. The podcasters getting paid to be gamed, oh, horrible. What a bad thing. But I mean, but you know, just I'd love to start messing around with it. See what comes out of there. And might be fun.

So the trending endpoint in API to decide to dispel the black box is, is very simple. We just take it's very crude. We take the known API keys from apps from actual apps, not just randos, right? So you know, okay, we know pod versus an app podcast Guru is an app, curio, casters, and and blah, blah, blah, we take those app keys. And we will, at the end of every day, there's a batch job that runs through and checks how many times those known took API tokens, have asked for have

asked for the episode list of a podcast. Meaning, that's how many times that somebody on their app has been interested in this podcast, okay, enough to call the API. Okay, and we just count that number of things up to a certain limit. It's like an integer, I think it's like three to 55 or some. There's a roll count. And then we just sort it in reverse order when we hand it

back. So the trending tag really is just interest, just a as the number of entity as the amount of interest from the abs for a particular podcast. And it's not it's not I guess you can game it by getting in there in like, trying to refresh your podcast or something over and over and over. But yes, it's the most stable thing that we have, because we don't we don't have listenings. That's, I mean, we don't know. So that's like, the

best thing I could come up with. But this other thing, like I could see putting, like a little URL parameter on the end of the, of the, the endpoint call where you can say, okay, which algorithm Do you want to use? Right, there you go. Do you want to let use lightning? Or do you want to use there you go default? Would that work?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think we just need to experiment see, what kind of data we get out of out of the node and what how we how we can parse that and what what what we come up with it might be very, might be very interesting. Yeah, cuz I can see if some people wanting one is some people want it like breeze probably wants the they probably want the lightning stuff, of course. But then, like a regular podcast app, they doesn't implement it for value. They may

not care as much about that. Yeah, May. Maybe they blend it. Maybe eventually everyone's going to be valued for value. Just wait until the advertising market collapses upon itself. It's all going it's all trending that way. Dave Jones, but this is the summer of programmatic. Everything. Builders have been told we're builders we're building what is it? bear markets are for building them? I haven't heard that. Yeah. bear markets are for building Yeah,

you're gonna build stuff with no money. I can't say that we did. Speaking of such let's thank some people for supporting this value for value project is value for value podcast. The way we operate here as if you've been listening. We only run on the value that we provide. And people send that back to us in many ways time, talent and treasure. We do need real treasure to keep everything running. Let me see if we got any I didn't get a lot of lit booster grams today. Although

12345 12,345 SAS from hard hat. Thank you very much hard hat. I see a lot of test booths from pod verse. Nice. Yes, I see 1000 here but no, no name or anything. I'm not quite sure where that's coming from. Another 1000 from I think Mitch is just he's he's working. And then I think the live the pre boost started off with blueberry 1776. So there's he said snip first. Yes, that's our boost for right now. You can support us in multiple ways. Go to podcast index.org. At the bottom, you'll

see a donate button. You can send SATs on chain. I'll check the tally coin to see if anything came in. Of course we have a Pay Pal and we love it when you use a podcast app from new podcast app.com. And boost us amounts boost us survival cash, please. There must be there must be like a concert going on or a football game because there is not very much activity in the chat room is weird, isn't it? It is weird. Is it just the end? Oh. Oh, I wonder if is there some kind of Apple event?

Is that possible? But I wonder if there's some I wonder if it's because school is starting back? Windows Desktop people discombobulated have an effect. It's possible. It's possible. This is the time this is the time of year. I mean our kids start back next week. We got some we got zero weekly. Pay

fails. None. Nada. I see here. I'm looking at we got 21 on 21 on tally coin, 4001 33 and 20,001 40 none of which are attributable to a name which is too bad and just in from lavish is 9999 99 around an owner survival cash he says thank you very much. Thank you lavish Bucha that he appreciate we've I will go ahead and read the monthlies on the Pay Pal just because because we don't have any other papers. So, straight out the gate pod verse,

LLC $50 versus the progress team. Alice gets $25 Thank you podcasts consultant, Lauren ball $24.20 mich Downey also he of pod verse $10. Thank you, sir. Christopher hora, Barak $10. Jeremy Kevin all $10 Terry Keller, $5 sore, you're on hugger Mueller $5 Chris cow and $5 and Jeffrey Brentford. $5. That's our monthlies. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Now, time to see how the booths are doing. We have got from George Orwell 1555 stats and he says go podcasting got a podcast. Thank you.

Mike Dell from blueberry gave us 2500 SAS and he also says go podcasting go podcast. Work Karen, our buddy for the memoirs podcast through Felton, he gave us 4321 says he says boosting for all the incredible queueing systems around the world. queuing, queuing, queuing. queuing. What does that mean? I don't know. Boost boost. But I'll we'll take it Thank you, Karen.

Oh, okay. He comes in with another 4321 through fountaining says boosting for the International V for V realized, Hey, we are living the international the New International lifestyle of value for value. Boost. That's right there. You got it. He's living it too. He is tota in Brisbane and Joel w 96 sets. And the reason I read this was below the 1000 sat limit but I've read it because he said episode 96 approximately 96 minutes in length. Coincidence? I think not a bombshell

Satoshis dot stream sued to have a web version. Send us 5552 SAS through fountain with a smiley face emoji. Oh, thank you very much. Oh, wait another five another 5550 to three from Satoshis data stream. He says. You said no one has done a graph of boosts and listens over time. We had that since the start. It's all in the export nice grass per episode even boosts per chapter if your podcast has chapters. I stand 100%. Correct. And you know, that is exactly right. I forgot

they had that. I would love to see that on a web version. It's dynamite. Maybe they have a web version is ended. Now. They have a web version, it will be as hard to get to through the telegram. Yeah. And then you know, because what I'd love to do is I'd love to put it in the split now. And I can see how it shows up there. Absolutely. I'm looking forward to your web version. Boost. This. This is the in the V for V. System. And I'm assuming you're going to talk about this as a key component.

In your part of the Podcast Movement talk is you must occasionally at least once per show, say something that's wrong on purpose so that people can correct you and boost us. Yes. It's content programming. Yes. Very, very, very good. Another boost from Satoshi string 5552. He says Jack reciter is using Satoshis dust stream to Oh, awesome. Perfect, excellent. Okay, here's a boost from the Polish Podcast Directory podcast d dot info. Oh, now that is that is spelled P O D KASTY. dot info.

These are the guys that gave us a whole list of podcasts that weren't in our directory yet. The OPML gives big OPML Oh, nice. Nice. Yeah. Give us a Polish opium mill. A Pope EML a pope Pope Ium. We have. We have indexed over 7000 Polish language podcast. It is 2000 more since I send sent to Dave our OPML file on October 2020. Thank you for saving freedom of podcasting updated file is coming soon. You know this. This just takes me back. Boy did I love The original podcast index.

I loved how that worked with the length of emails. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't really an index as much as it was a directory that you could and it was nice about it. So you had your OPML file and you could pretty much organize any way you want. And then, you know, if you said, you could be your own top level, and you'd say I want I want to organize this by categories, and you'd look for someone who had done stuff with aviation, and then underneath that you could put helicopters

or you know, Cessna us or whatever. You can kind of string it together yourself. And then there was a web rendering of it. I mean, I'm not I'm just waxing on. But God, I love that. I still love that idea of OPML files linked together. It's so, so cool.

Is there any type of database that does that today? Like? Is there a way that we could like, well, the Freedom The Freedom controller does it remember the feet of the Freedom controller, we built the freedom controller around this is part of the the original functionality that we liked so much. We used to use that as an instant messages chat. This is the message. Let me let me explain this to people who didn't understand

Mary is a very fucking cool system. That of course, exactly two people on earth used? Yes, yes. We So imagine you have an OPML file. And people have to understand this is not just the OPML file, as you might know it. Because in each node on an OPML, and outline, there's attribute and that has been totally bastardized, you know, so the people with an AR an OPML, five file of RSS feeds, you have like 1/16, of the functionality of OPML. Yeah, yeah, you, everybody thinks that OPML is just for

importing and exporting RSS feeds. And that's not at all. That's not at all what it in fact, that's what full length, that's what killed OPML it is it is a misunderstanding of what is

use was dope. OPML is a full outlining markup language. And one of the one of the attributes on each node is to include the URL of another OPML file, so that when you can see that when you're going down and expanding the nodes of your outline, if it sees a reference to the URL of another OPML file, when you expand the node, it goes out and grabs all the nodes from the other outline and puts them as children of the node, you just, you just expanded

and preserved the state, which the original author of that remote node saved it in. It's really, really, really cool.

So what we did was, we were using it, we just had an outline, instant outline, I would instantly Yeah, and I would have I would have an OPML file and Adam would have an OPML file, and we would have a master OPML file that just referenced each of the two and then every occasionally I would just collapse and re expand my my mind node that referenced Adams OPML and all the latest stuff he wrote in his outline would come

into my outline. And that's how we That's how literally how we communicated for like five years then we also did the watch this this outline, so that if you would updated your outline, then it would go bold in my outline, so I knew there was something new and I could expand it and

get your new stuff. Why don't we lay it out anymore? Why don't we start later you know, later what we did was put into the freedom controller the email thing, and if if an outline ever changed, it would diff it and send you the process do the nodes that obtain we did a bunch of crazy stuff man. Nothing is successful with this project. No. Coal McCormick sent us 3000 SATs through fountain nice that's cool. Because you asked the way I'm able to give 2000 SATs for a

listen is through fountain promotion feature. Money goes in 20% goes to the app rest of it is sets to give away my vision is to be known as the guy who gives his audience the most sets I'm doing this on the last Sunday of every month for one year. Karen down did V for V episode and split focusing in Split focusing on my show America plus and breaks it down wonderfully. Oh, okay. That's a good show. Excellent.

Yeah. Thanks for the explanation be be glass too soon as 1221 SATs through fountain you need just as boost. Gotcha. Boost anonymous. Says 100 sasses podcasts index lb love child test. I just thought that was funny. That Amy sent his 500 SATs and said LB is awesome. Yes it is. Bumi we know Bumi is on the show last week send us 1000 SATs he says whoo What a beautiful day I'm reviewing the booster gram pull request all right. Oh, that's probably the booster grams from the page. Is it not know

this? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the for the podcast index website. Please talk about Yeah, quick update. Mitch just sent a test sending 1000 SATs from pod verse mobile. There we go. Oh, nice. Adam did the amount show up and LeapPad correctly this time. Yes, it did. Because I was getting just the split, I was getting 10 SATs instead of showing up in helipad instead of 1000 SATs. Okay, that was my bug report. That bug report was ordered an hour ago and it's fixed the course.

podcast in 2.0. We got some scissor cuts, but it's fixed. budget budget tests boost for Mitch. Thank you, Mitch. The 1000s 1000 Each here they are boost boost boost bunch of them. Brian of London since 1948 1948 says he's really podcast index webpage is through the podcast in this web page. Podcast index. Oh, cool. Yeah. Nice. He says, he says, Well, hello. Well, hello. Well, hello. snow boots. Now what I meant was, how are you doing? Here we go. How you doing? Bucha.

See, dubs send us 10,101 says to the boost CLI. And he says GitHub is centralized and censorship is unacceptable. Git is a decentralized protocol. But how long would it take to get development going? Again, if GitHub de platformed us today, I plead the board to consider self hosting these critical services at least as a backup. See, he's got that link here. Click on it. You just click on it. Is there not? A is there not like a Git server in the Umbral?

Oh, I don't know is there and you're and the only reason I bring it up? Let me see the only reason I bring it up is that could be kind of nice as a backup. Everyone could be could run one. Let me see. Don't we have a get something I'm looking at their their athletes is link is to get get T gi T EA. And what's interesting about this page that I'm looking at get t.io is evidently their source. Gi T EA their source code is evidently hosted on GitHub. And let's

see, here we go. Yeah, so I can set it up right here a painless self hosted Git service and where to GitHub, Bitbucket and GitLab. You can fully self hosted and private and can you import. No, probably I am not opposed to getting to getting off GitHub. I just went. I just need it to not be a barrier for people to do contributions. Oh, let's leave it on. Let's just leave it on GitHub and oh, here mirror repository repository from GitHub. Hello.

Oh, okay. Okay, so that's the thing. He does it right here. Yeah, you can just you can just make a backup. Yeah. On your own down with that. Yeah. All right. Are you gonna do it? Or do I do it? No, I'll do it. Okay. I'll do it when I get my up my father. Follow up. Okay. When I get five oh, Hawaii Five. Oh. Okay. Jean Everett sent us 33 333 33,333 Says who? Fountain fall, man. He's blue. I just said Hawaii Five. Oh, yeah. I just felt like I needed to play it. Come on, man. doesn't miss getting

pumped. How did you find that? Get ready for it. Here we go. Sorry, I just feel so good on a Friday afternoon. That's me. You had that thing in your back pocket that came out of nowhere. Sorry. You just said you had a cute you've had that thing queued up for six months waiting. Waiting for the right Friday. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. He says G never 333 333 says boost Joe. Boost. First time. First time longtime podcaster what he's trying to say here. He's got emojis sprinkled in here. I

don't know. Okay, first time longtime thank you for what you guys are doing. You're changing the world. Oh, and hi folks. Follow me on hive. Oh jeans a hive guy. Okay. All right. Hey, Hiber nice. How you doing? Hi, Eva. Thank you Jane. See Jean ever came in again with 100,000 says oh shot Carla 20 blades on am Paula who's this? Jean Everett boost. So he says please credit the second boost for me today to the Adam curry fan page on Hive at Adam curry. 30

Oh, I have a fan page nine he did. I didn't know this. All right. Ps are monk born and raised and my mom spoke extremely highly of Eugene curry. Oh, my grandfather. Come Nice. Yeah, Eugene curry. He was quite the upstanding member of the community. Oh my god. Bless the curry clan. I'll give more details when I donate to na next. Oh, nice. That's so nice. I'd love to hear about it. Yeah, I mean, my dad grew up in Armand, I've been in Armonk, all my life. Visiting.

My uncle 94 still lives in that house. My mom is the home home base of IBM IBM. Yeah. Are they still there? They still have a presence you bet. Yeah. Okay, that's still that's still there. HQ. Macintosh 2222 through found and he says good episode as always, Macintosh. Thank you, Macintosh. We love rows of ducks. Brian of London in the hive Dao, send us 40,550 He says Shabbat Shalom Leeroy II Vinnie be in but okay, Shabbat Shalom, y'all. That's the way you say that in Texas.

That's right. Well, my partner Ron Blum was a Jew from Atlanta. Okay, and so, you know, I've done many Seders and stuff like that at his house and it was like Shabbat Shalom, y'all got any RC Cola? Let, let me try that. Let me give this another shot again, because I think he's trying to send Roy a message as he says, Shabbat shalom. The RO ye be in bacha? Oh, are we going to? Oh, I know. Yeah. Yes. Move over. I want to be in those silk sheets. I think what that man

this is that is not appropriate. Brian. He's blueberry sent a 17,776 size sound and he says 148 unique geometric boosts. I don't know what that means. Wow. No, I like it. Those two grand geometric that's a booster gram. It's a puzzle gram. Okay. 100 Let's start at 148 unique geometric boosts checked 22 different ISO boost based boost but playing just super bitchin. Dave can you channel your inner warlord of the Wasteland? Hashtag humongous vibes and hit me with bring forth the goat counter.

What exactly does he want? I don't know. I think is are you wanting me to say that bring forth the goat counter. I hope that's what he wanted. But he's got it. That's what he got. Blueberry. You're weird dude. But I love you. Scotty is Cora 51 SATs Van Halen boost and he says another eruption of SATs bam bam thank you again for another great show. I look forward each week for the show and the ability to give you guys value back for the excitement you give me each episode.

Oh, thank you. That's exactly what I love hearing. That's how it works value for value in a nutshell. I'd love it. 2222 from last me says Dave, presentation slides in a row. Thanks to Mr. Cridland for fixing my pull request for the road ducks 2220 Satoshis to booster grid to the Mr. Graham numerology page on GitHub. Yeah, Lyceum para Petros is now a contributor running with scissors. Very nice. How do I how do I check incoming sets from different apps my main

podcatcher is now fountain. But I will also use pod verse curio caster caster Matic POS station breeze and boost the hill. Hi. Is Ella pad easy to install for a non techie person? Could you integrate Alby to Martin? Linda Scott? Well, yes, z as long as you have a volume unknown role. Yeah. So even if you don't have an envoy, you just have a node. It's still pretty easy. Yeah,

I would say the easiest way is to is to run an Umbral. And then, so what I do is I make sure that my Umbral has a 1% split for my podcasts, so I'm not so I'm not really receiving the bulk of any SATs coming in, but I'm using it for helipad mainly. Okay, and then after a while, those SATs stack up and you know, you you can fill up your wallet with it.

He got some Jack got some scratch. If you need Martin, if you need help, if you don't have an Umbral note and you have some other node, and you need help with what the configuration files supposed to look like for help at tell me and I will be glad Yeah, boost your questions. Yes, and I will reply without boosting you back boost your questions. The delimiter comes through blogger 15,033 sets Yeah, there is everybody. He says Hi, Adam and Dave. Please keep doing unbelievable things.

Satoshi by Satoshi to the extreme. Anyways, Y'all are invited to the podcast about the most important tech invented by mankind. Artificial Intelligence, narrated by silky voice of Gregory William Forsythe Forman view from Kitt. Just type in your browser or any podcaster podcatcher AI dot cooking. Yo, yo, back atcha bombshell. Nothing from Roy Hmm. Not a singer after all that after all that.

Usually what happens? This is the way that it goes down almost once a month is I don't read anything from Roy and then he emails like hey, man, are you okay? Man was up. Yeah, he's like, why don't you read my boost? I'm like, Oh crap, and I go look for it. And it was there, and I missed it. So it's just like, this is the way that I get ROI to talk to me. Otherwise you won't ever email. He won't message me. He's been distracted. Okay, I called him the other day. Okay,

yeah, he's been distract. He's just has to do like business stuff. That's just very destructive for guys like Roy. Yeah, yeah, that. I just wanna make sure he didn't run out of stats. No, I think that's why he was doing business stuff like shit. I gotta boost these guys. Yeah. Gotta get out of the robe. All right, what else do we need to do for today's Board meeting? Is there anything that we need to cover that we haven't done yet?

Well, I'm looking through the list here. Oh, by the way, I should mention Brees has updated their app they've got now you can do icon view and you can their stats so you can see who you've boosted how much so they're they're really coming up on the on the podcast app side now which is nice to see. Dan Benjamin been talking with him a lot lately. He is putting he's gonna head pin pod ping into fireside cool and I'm helping him through that so that he can get ready for the live

item stuff. He said live item is going to is going to take some database changes for him. He's gonna He's gonna offer live item with a stream to his to his podcasters not with a stream initially, but he's just going to do he's gonna put support in it. So the feed because it seems to me like even that is something that you could Dockerized real quick. A stream server? Yeah. And fire up. If someone's doing a stream just haven't they fire up a little Docker thing. And then good to go. In a

podcast host. I'm just I'm just drinking. I'm just Mr. Docker now now that I've had to deal with it. Like, oh, this is pretty cool. Yeah, I know. I agree. I don't know how much. I feel like you could do that. Maybe I'm crazy. It's a bit like, like dashboards on voltage, you know, it's the same thing. It's like, you know, it's firing up a Docker and and then you got a whole machine you log into, and then you've got a thunder hub, you know? And you could keep a fleet of them running. Yeah. Like, I

don't know, do you remember? Did you ever you ran your own Apache at some point in time, right? Yes, of course. Do you remember how that's where it works comes from? Yeah, it worked. Do you remember how Apache had this notion of child processes? And Max? Max number of waiting process? No, man, I'm still at cgi bin baby. I don't know. Oh, Lord. Server side includes server side includes the link link tag, the so in the Apache config file, you would specify Okay,

the minimum spare servers I think is what it was called. And so it would keep Oh, yes, yes, I do recall this parameter. Sure. Yeah. If you had like 50 hits, that all spawned a process, it would always be sure to keep it at least like five ready to go. And like, I wonder if you could do it that way where you had like a fleet and you say, Okay, I'm always going to keep five

stream servers spun up ready to go. And then as, as the streams fall off, and you don't need as many you begin to prune back on and kill the doctor's notes. You always keep at least a few running. So that they're instant, you know, so you know, and what's it really going to be I mean, no agenda, which is pretty big show. Now we're between two and 3000 streams on any given show day. So it's not going to break the bank. Well, oh, Mehta said, as you're a cast as a Dockerized ice cast

liquid soap in a box. Oh, there you go. You go and work. I mean, this just sounds doable to me. I don't does bandwidth. What's your bandwidth? What stream rate do you use on the on your stream? Well, let me see. I use See 128 120 Now. I can't I'm not good enough to do the math for all that. Well, if you have If you have 1000, then you have a year at a megabit per second, I think. I don't know. I don't know. That doesn't seem I mean, that just doesn't seem that Oh, it's just getting it

all working. And you know, someone's got to fire up a streaming server. You know, this is stuff the stuff to be done. Stuff. Sorry, long COVID still. Yeah, but that's nothing. That's doable. As he wants me to do I want somebody to do the full monty. They're going to they're going to and Apple is going to integrate all even the lit tag you watch. You know, I don't disbelieve for all your children leave the house. Oh, see, we get Yeah, we get at least six years.

I'm telling you. It'll happen. All right, Dave. Two, we call it a day. Sure. Yeah, we got I got more stuff. But we can we get another show next week. That's the beautiful thing about PUC and we do and then the week after that we're going to be in in Dallas, from Podcast Movement. And we'll do the board meeting from from Dallas. We're not quite sure how we're going to do it yet. But we will do it. We'll make it up on the fly like teenagers do.

And again, Dave, congratulations on all of the success. Yeah, me too. And everybody else everybody listening. Thank you so much for attending the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 Next week, we'll be back with more stuff to discuss See you then everybody remember to boost us? You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org for more information. bombshell