Episode 96: Foie Gras

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August 5 2020 to Episode 96 Flog dry anyone once again, right, it's time for the weekly board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Find out what's going on with the future of podcasting, which happens to be here today. Everything going on in podcasting index.org, the namespace for the podcast standards, of course everything happening with value for value and with podcasting index dot

social where all the brain power aggregates during the week. If you're ready, I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. my roomie for Podcast Movement, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones would really happy Friday, really, really? Happy Friday, bringing in a 90s word up. Yeah, it's it's it's Friday and pod thing still running? Yes. You mean all in all regions, all areas? We've got

hive power, it's up and running. We have global global high power. Yeah. What happened? Exactly the system was down and was was, I mean, tell me what was going on? It seemed like everything was still kind of working. Yeah. Now what it wasn't this was not a this was not a disaster like it was last week. So what yeah, what he figured out is that there is some sort of memory leak or something is probably in the hive writer in like the light hive library is

being used for the rider. And so that's the only thing we can figure out long running sort of long running process. Like some of the shittiest things to have to have to track down though memory leaks. Yeah, for sure. Let the race there's a lot of there's a few things in, you know, computer science, computer programming that are really difficult race conditions being one of them, you know, in parallel programming. Memory Leaks are another one there. They're not. They're easier with decent debug

tools. But I just don't know, on the Python side. How those things look, or a lot of Python libraries are wrappers around other around other language libraries. So you know, I don't I'm not I'm not sure how much of this is native. And they could be a wrapper around a C. C library or binary or something like that. I just don't know how that works. And it's, that's part of the issue is that I am running this code. Well, I got a dough there's a double pew.

Really? Oh, did you get that double? As a GPU? Oh, that wasn't supposed to happen. I wonder why. It's like a trampoline and peered off the trampoline, isn't it? No, that's nasty. And the, but I don't I don't know how. I'm not a Python programmer. So I don't understand much of what I'm looking at. And so when these things happen, I'm like, just trying to scramble and figure it out and post over to Alex and Brian, like, well, you know, what is this screenshot?

Right? And but anyway, it wasn't a big deal. I think these are low memory instances, the VMs. And so I think adding Docker to it, added a load significantly reduced the memory. I'm bringing, I'm almost I'm almost sorry, I asked to be honest. Ask a question. You know, you went really deep, all of a sudden, it's like, wow, okay, wait, we're at Docker. Straight to Docker. I think we figured it out. For now, I'm just restarting the Docker container every 30 minutes,

which is way conservative for what this was. But it just, it just makes sure that the memory thing doesn't happen again. I mean, these things run all the time. And they they produce 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of pod pings. So if you have a small memory leak, eventually it's going to catch gonna catch up for you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the good thing about Docker is it makes it super easy, because all you got to do is just like, do a Docker restart every half hour. And it's like it just,

it's fixed. Now, now, but we didn't lose any, any pings. And we were able to go back and we had everything the way it's supposed to work. So that was perfect, then. No, we did not lose anything because somebody created a incredible queueing system. Oh, that that is written to disk. And so even if even if the server goes down, comes back up. All the pings are still they're nice. They just empty the queue. Nice. Good. Nice. Yep. Okay, all right. So we got that solved. I've just been messing

with my setup. I got one of those Beeline peace. he's ever seen these never even heard of it. Oh, it's it's always basically like a like the size of a Raspberry Pi with an enclosure. And it's 180 bucks. And you know, it has two HDMI is four USB three ports. Yeah, when it comes with Windows 11, I was like, you know, this the, the surface that I've been using for the for producing the show and running the studio. You know, I was getting blue screens of death and stuff like that.

Well, let me let me set up something different kind of in anticipation of being able to switch completely to Linux to just see, okay, if I switch to another Windows box entirely, can I get everything back up and running and now with the road, the road caster to the road caster Pro two? Absolutely. But I've been really disappointed windows 11, you can no longer

scale down your desktop the way you used to. Do remember, it was used to be real simple, you right click on the desktop, and there was, you know, properties or whatever, and you could downscale so you could make stuff really small and have all this real estate that's gone. Now you can you can't go below 100%. See, can you not go and find the actual resolution settings that? Oh, no, no, I'm at the res, I meant the highest resolution. But that

still gives me you know, basically. So I got a big screen a 27 inch screen from Acer touchscreen. And I'll talk about that in a second. And but you know, basically I just have a giant windows, you know, like, with icons are as big as my head. So you can you can scale that down. But it's still pretty big. And I want it much, much smaller. And you think you used to be able to do that. I remember doing that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can do that. And I'm sure you can't do it anymore. You can't.

Isn't there and just grayed out? No, no, there is not even there. You can you can scale up. You can zoom in, but you can't zoom out. Which is weird. Yeah. It's And besides that, this, that screen gave so much buzz and shit on my microphones like this is a nonstarter anyway, and now I had for some reason I have a buzz again. It's like, I know you don't hear it, but I hear it. No, I don't hear when it Where's this one coming from? I have no idea. I have no idea. I don't know if it's the screen.

Let me see you sit over here. Yeah, it's it's everything. It's everything. Just everything? I don't know. I blamed around me, I blame the Germans. Yeah. I mean, luckily, they're not here. So not here. Not yet. Not yet. Now, we'll get to our guests in a moment. So we're live, we're live. We are living the value for value lifestyle. It's the brand new value for value is the new international lifestyle. I don't know if you've noticed that. This is this is my new mantra.

Every value for value into your life. Yes. Once you we accept value for value into your life. Everything changes the way you buy things, the way you evaluate your actions. You're always looking for proof of work. Oh, yeah, I'm getting really good at this. You did this ago. Man. Okay, so we had all kinds of stuff happening again this week. It seems like ships on fire. We got all kinds of stuff going on.

Cast dos cast is put put in the C cast has already had you where you could put in your node key, your pub key, right in in there. They also added in custom key custom value. So now you can put it now you can do an lb wallet. Or do they have one click in agreement? We should we'll find out more later. But they have one click integration. Negative no one click integration yet. That's that's that's supposedly on the on the roadmap. Because math

just appeared overnight. I told you that we were seeing competition in the hosting business again. It's really beautiful. I love watching this, you know, went back. I don't I don't always do this. But I went back and listened to last week's show. And you said something on there that I had sort of myth? No, no, it's not that you'd said something there that I've kind of missed the first time around. Yeah. And but I think you're I think you're dead on I think

what's happened? You You made the comment. It was something like the hosting companies have been sort of all in the same mark mindset of trying to produce dynamic ad insertion or dynamic content. Let's just call it dynamic content because it's not all ads. Um, There's been a big dynamic content push. Yeah. And I think a lot of the hosting company brain power has been tied up in trying to get that up and going from, you know, let's just say I mean, from a competition standpoint, I mean,

there's everybody's doing it. So you really have to do that, too. But then, you know, once that is, once that's done, and it's getting to the end stages of that is becoming a thing that's come out, not commoditized. But there's becoming a common thing around the around the hosting, didn't didn't now you're like, Okay, what do we do next? Right. And and what's next? Is this.

There's this big slate of podcasting 2.0 features that are out there that are just sort of, I wouldn't say low hanging fruit, because that implies that it's easy when it's not exactly. But there's just this big repertoire to choose from, okay, I have potentially 10 different features I can add, which which ones do I want? And I think we're starting to see is, is movement on those things?

Oh, absolutely. It's, well, maybe I should backtrack and say how appreciative I am I, you know, considering my new international lifestyle of value for value, and how appreciative I am of where we are now. We're almost two years in, it'll be Episode 100, or 104. I guess is that would we're close to you. When did we start? We should we should track this down? Never know this stuff? Don't you have an installed log or something for the first first

machine that we brought out? The first RSS feed suckers? Again, I can tell you when we got our first bill for Linode. All right, yeah, that would that would be useful. Yeah, that that would be about that. That would be right. So within two years, and it doesn't feel like two years, it just feels like we

just been just getting started for some reason. It doesn't feel like two years, but everybody who has participated everybody who's supported the project financially, all the developers everybody on podcasts index dot social people who contribute to the GitHub. So you know, hosting companies podcasters interested parties, no agenda nation. Just so many people are have have brought us to where we are today. Where holy moly, I mean, crap. We have integration, we have Interop We have people

integrating this into their workflows. There's talk about it. I mean, I'm, I look at get alby.com and they have a whole value for value explanation. I love you better than ours. Yeah, hell yeah. But and but this was also kind of the idea is like podcasting markets itself. It's the podcasters talking the the, the audiences listen, they participate, they get into the game, they tell other podcasters. You know, that's how it's always kind of supposed to supposed to work, and it does.

And I'm just blown away by it. You know, it's like, it's I've had so many ventures in my life, by far, this is the most successful, the most fun, and the most rewarding. The any, and we're broke, of course, we're broke, but otherwise, which well, I'll say that for our guests, because I want to get their take on this as well. But now I think you're right.

There's, there's there's movement, I think, but in that, because of what we talked about a while ago with the you know, with the just the hosting paradigm and the way that they move forward with things, but also think that there's beginning to be a better understanding of what, and this is probably probably this is part of just project maturity.

There is there's probably a I don't know this, for sure certain, but I can imagine there's a there's a sort of maturity curve that comes along with any open source project that's long, this sort of a long term project like this. Sure, sure. And so, you know, me and Utah, talked to some people this week and had a really good conversation. And we did. We did. Oh, I remember, two days ago. Sorry, man, I'm on main monitor

hell, okay. COVID. Very long. And so you were talking to them, and that this just came up in that discussion, to where as we had to get some of these tags and things features into the namespace that didn't at the time look like they made. They didn't look compelling. Maybe things like an alternate enclosure. And it's like, okay, well, this thing's good to have. And it's an it's neat. And, yeah, in a perfect world, it would be great. But I mean, I'm

really not going to spend any developer time on it. Because I mean, who cares. But then, as the project matures, and you begin to have these other layers that develop, so then you then you go to things like the live item, right? With a live item. Alter enclosure makes way more sense. Social interaction makes way more sense. Medium makes way more, it's kind

of like we have like, we built this stack of stuff. And now when you start to see the applications, like the LIVE TAG come on top of it, that's where it all really comes together, because we have all those those building blocks that we can just pull from. Yeah, yeah, I think so. And so you have to go through that sort of dole period where you're building things that nobody sees the the usefulness in, and then you put one piece in, and all of

a sudden, it all makes sense, right? And then in I think that also delivers a level of trust to like, Okay, well, there was a long term vision here, and that's what this we can trust. And what was that long term vision, Dave, now that we were starting to show poverty, right? I don't think we had a defined vision other than, well, exactly what we're doing is like, put everything in that at least if there's an implementation, put it in

the project. See that, and that's what's beautiful about is the project itself has a has a vision that the individual people itself can understand. The market, almost you could call it a market, I guess. I think it's beautiful. It's a beautiful. It's an emergent property man. I would say that. It also took people a little while to understand that there was such a thing, it's just an open

project. And yes, yes, you could just tap into it. And no, there's no, there's no real registration, signup, fee, etc, etc, it's value for value. And I think that that in combination with the streaming value for value in the booster grabs, has kicked off something bigger than, than I expected. That's why I say the international lifestyle is with us. I was thinking about this this morning about this is a this is

a difficult, but it's very Eros very rewarding. And it's been, you know, and I'm encouraged by the success and things, but it's also extremely difficult. Because I was having a conversation back and forth on Twitter with Tanner Campbell about value for value. And, you know, he was, you know, aggravated about the low amounts of SATs and things like that. And, you know, saying, you know, this value for value means I get 25 cents, you know, for my hard work with any of this visit

bullshit. And that, you know, the thing is, that's the part that's difficult about it, is that this is the podcasting. 2.0 is not it's not a, it's not one piece of something. It's, it's, it's code. It's, it's this show, it's the product, the community of discussions that happen is the project management in the GitHub. And then it's also this critical evangelism piece, where you have to be constantly, like, explaining the vision and explaining all these things. Because if you take any one of

those pieces out, the whole thing fails. And so it's it really requires, like, that's, when I'm driving my truck. It's a three on, you know, three on a tree. So it looks like it's like an all when you're when you're driving that it's it required every bit of you to maintain to maintain driving, you know, both arms are working, both legs are working, you know, in you know, you gotta stay you gotta stay fully engaged, or else you know,

the whole thing flops. Yeah, and that is what it feels like with it's just, it requires all of it requires all of you to be engaged, or else, it just fades, or it falls or flops in that regard has been the hardest thing there's I've ever done. There's also a an expectation, when in technology in general, that it's just automatically works. And then the magic money drops out the back end spits value for value, you just get the fountain app, and it just works. You get money. No. And I

would have to see the exchange with Tanner. But this is this is a downside of the comments that Fountain has implemented, which by default are very low 10 SATs or maybe 20 SATs. So I think someone who was just using it for the first time doesn't get the same experience. Whereas if you integrate it into the you're you're programming itself, and you have the feedback loop and you ask for value in return for value, the numbers will be much higher, but there's this instant gratification type, I just

connect to this I register I, I sign up, and I'm good to go. And the money keeps the money drops in which I think people also believe will happen with advertising. None of which is true. So it's, it's so much more than just a bunch of technologies it to me, it's upgraded podcasting, and the whole concept of podcasting or the from the the interactivity of podcasting. It's what people have been talking about for a

long time. It needs to be more interactive. Well, here it is, but you do have to work at it. See, that's the thing that I you know, you I think you nailed it, because we you have there's the value for value philosophy, part of it has been by far the hardest thing to explain to

people. Yeah, it's, it's a mind. It's a mind Twister. Because, like, what Tanner was saying was, you know, essentially, you know, this I have, I have a valuable thing here and in people are, you know, this diva, the fact that somebody can give me 25 cents, devalues the valuable thing that I'm giving away? Oh, that's fantastic. Because what he's doing is he is valuing his own work very highly, which is, of course appropriate. But he has no right to determine the value for someone on the other

end, he can't do that. Yes, he has no idea. And so he's forcing this idea of how valuable it is, which is actually kind of arrogant. But also this? Yeah, that's what I told him. I was like, well, you you can't, you can't determine somebody else's value. And he gave the example of, you know, what about an art gallery or a lemonade stand, you know, you can't just give that stuff away. But, but the fact is, those are physical products, it's a little different with a digital product, like a podcast,

there is that. But there's also the fact that there's lots of people that are never going to come, they're never going to stop at your lemonade stand you right. And those are the people those are the freeloaders, essentially, those are the people that didn't value your your your product high enough to pay you for it, it's just a little bit different here

because they can listen for free, if they want to. But the the fact remains, the reason they're not paying you whether it's lemonade or a podcast is the same and either in either case, is they don't value you enough to pay you. They don't value your product high enough to pay you and you can't change

that. You can't do it you you can't extract, you can't go into value for value thinking that what you're doing is what you're going to do is extract the value that you place on your show exactly from the audience. That's it doesn't work that way, believe me, I think I should be making much more money in my own mind, to all you can do, all you can do is is, is engage with your audience in a way that's proven to help you extract the value that they put in it. Because they if they value it, you can

help them understand that they need to give it back to you. If they don't, they'll never give it back to you regardless. Even if they find it valuable. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway, I want to talk more value for a value with our guest today in the in the boardroom by the way. According to Burberry, the very first episode of podcasting 2.0 came out on September 11 2020. No way Yeah, about that. bombshell. bombshell. Well, there you go conspiracy theory. I didn't even know it.

This is a great conspiracy theory. I think so. It's an it's a new start a new project for a New American Century. A building seven. Yeah. It was bringing our guest today they are new to the podcasting scene and they just kind of burst on coming from the world of the Lightning Network. Now integrated into rss.com Cast DOS and many other podcasting 2.0 products please welcome. I believe that two co founders of Alby Miko boomin and Moritz Kaminski. I ever everybody. Thanks for having me.

Hey, all right. Okay, so we have Michael you're also known as Bhumi on on podcast index on social that's that's me. Exactly. Mostly on the internet. I go to me Bumi and Morris, do we have a nickname for you? Oh, no, it's just more words. or more. Yeah, the Deutsche Mark. Okay, I like it. Perfect Malema. Who does what who and Mo Mo is the money man and Bumi is the programmer. Is that how this works?

Yeah, it's like this. So not really money, man. But I do a lot of project management with the IV project. Okay, I just thought you were some I thought you were like a billionaire, and you just bankrolled the whole thing. All right, now let's, let's get this set up, because all of a sudden Alby came out, I heard about it actually from I think Roy from breeze he said, Hey, these guys are doing something

interesting. It is, in a way, similar to what podcasting 2.0 has been using with LNP as an example, but you clearly have a broader vision since you came from. You kind of entered the market with your browser extension. Tell me how it started. And then if you don't mind, how you guys found podcasting 2.0. And kind of a brief history, I guess, of the past year or so it doesn't seem that very that long, you've had this up and running? Yeah, a lot of things happen in a short period of time. Exactly.

So yeah, the brief history would probably be, I was always excited about the idea of bringing value streams to the internet, to interview. And I think that was missing. So far, we couldn't transfer value the same way that we could transfer information online. And this is when I actually also discovered Bitcoin, and especially the Lightning Network, which was got me excited because I think there, we now suddenly have a protocol, like a system that makes this possible. We have

this programmable magic good. And that internet money now. And the idea now is, what can we do with that? And what happens if we bring that value stream to interactions that we do online?

And that's kind of the question and the idea that got me started on coding and programming what later became lb, which was first a browser extension, browser extension for that reason, because if we want to bring this value stream to develop, I'm interacting with the web is the process that we have to teach the browser, basically, how to use the Lightning Network and how to transfer value. And that's what we do with the browser extension. And yeah, this is, this is how it started.

I mean, there have been a bunch of open source projects, doing similar things, you know, we all Standing on the Shoulder of Giants here. And a lot of things has happened in the, in the last in the last year. And regards to podcasting, or podcasting, 2.0 I think the pot like when I'd first discovered I don't remember actually when I first discovered the podcasting 2.0

world. But I remember that I was as excited as when I first heard about podcasting back then and RSS back then, like, I don't know, 15 years ago, or whatever that was, and was blown away by the innovation that we see there. And by the new tools and the new building blocks that have been described there. And especially the Yeah, obviously, especially the value tag, because that's fits fits very valid to the idea that I just described of, of transferring value from, from the listener

from the consumer to the, to the producer to the Creator. And the way that you have a saying like the value for value lifestyle. And yeah, that's how I think these things came together to give me an idea of, of the operation itself, you just have one giant node and you have your kind of your account management system on top of that. How does it actually work? I mean, one goal that we have is and you've been talking before about building blocks, right? And I think slowly, we have all

these building blocks. We as a lightning community, we as a podcasting 2.0 community, we have all these building blocks and tools slowly together, that we can build applications that we can get closer to the user and that we can build application on top of that. And so our focus for sure is we want to experiment with things. What can what we can build on top of that, get to this application layer and also want to make it easier for people to build applications there, but that's

kind of the goal. In the end, you want that every basic, every web developer can build tools around there. And so the usability is one focus that we have. Still, obviously, we want to have it, that's the great thing. We want to have it interoperable. We put it on this interoperable open network, we have multiple nodes running. And what we also do, especially in the extension, is that people can connect their own nodes, right? So kind of we have this open, it's an open to it, right?

So we can either run it for you to get you started. Or if you're like, a bit more advanced, and tools also make that easier to do, you can run your own node. And yeah, I think that's the beauty because it's, it's, it's open, it's inclusive. It's for every spectrum of knowledge, user on on every spectrum, the whole spectrum of knowledge can basically use it. How does that work on the on the connector on Node side? So because I see it, does the extension itself actually

communicate with with lnd? Through through G RPC or rest or something like that? When you when you put that in there? Yes, yes, exactly. Basically, we abstracted all the different interfaces, and also tried to expose one common interface there on the web. That's apple, and like the span of apple and how a website integrates with this lightning there. And basically, I think they have you did a bit of the heart to heart work in writing all these connectors?

Yeah, that is a lot of hard work. Because you have I mean, with with lightning, with lightning nodes. So at least with lnd, there's one protocol, I think, see, lightning didn't I don't think they even had a protocol until recently. Or like an exposed API, correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean, pretty much every implementation, even though they all speak a common language on the Lightning Network itself, they don't all speak the same language when it comes to interfacing with their software.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's a lot of hard work. You gotta respect from me, brother. But I think this is, this is super important to understand here that there is the ABI browser extension, this is what we see one important building block when it comes to sort of building the bridge between your private lightning wallet and, and lightning application on the web. And then there is also the

IP wallet, but is more like your spendings account, right? And you can use both together, if you want you can you connect the RP wallet, to the browser extension, and then spend your SATs online or wherever you want. Or you can also use the ALI browser extension without the LV wallet. But then with your own note in a noncustodial way and to be for us, it's just important that the user has the choice how how to use the browser extension. And we don't want to give them like, we don't

want to force them to do something this day. So they should decide themselves. And well we can just do is we can just build the best service for for them so that they don't have any other reason to not use, for example, the the IV wallet, because it's just so easy to use. And more. Maybe this is appropriate question for you. How are you guys structured? I know, do you have investors? Is your own money? Do you have a timeline? A basically a plan? I

mean, it's what you're doing is phenomenal. And everyone was kind of wondering how or when you'd like to make money, what what is kind of the business background here. So IV itself is like what started as an open source project was, well, some some people came together, building the building cool tools, good software together. And we are also part of, for example of the Bitcoin design community, it's really like part of a of a bigger, bigger ecosystem now.

But we also realized at some point that if we want to like also contribute back to the to the open source community in a way that is also like sustainable if or if we if we want to provide service to users, this is something that is very hard to do in a pure open, like open source funding status. So that's why we also decided to to create an organization out of Rb that is able to raise funds, for example, that is able to do all the legal things that are needed for it. sample in order

to operate a custodial wallet in a compliant way. And that is also able for example to, to earn some money to contribute back, for example to to the users proper support systems, or just to the open source community by, for example, funding and giving bounties. And yeah, when it comes to to A to B to business at the end, there also needs to flow in some some some revenue, right. And to get there, we are thinking about

different different premium services on top. But we are not yet there where we actually have this, like, very concrete service that we that we want to charge for right now in done that we can charge for an American confident way. Right. And I guess the the big question, there is the regulations. I mean, did you have any concerns? Do you have any insight? The EU seems to be moving a little faster than the US? I mean, what are your thoughts there for custodial services like this?

Yeah, it's definitely challenging, especially for a young organization. But there are ways to do that to solve that. So it's not like that you have to apply yourself for licenses, for example, but there are also partner companies out there that help you to get to get these licenses. And this is what we are currently working on with Adobe, for example, starting with, starting with the US where we see a lot of traction from from from from the user side, mainly, but then also

the next step for Europe. But yeah, I mean, regulations is definitely a challenge and the dead that the problem is also that they're constantly moving. No one knows what they're talking about. Of course, that's the confusing part. Oh, man, I'm so I'm so happy you guys came into our life. This is this is it's beautiful. I mean, you just out of nowhere, boom, you completely got the value for value. Proposition. It's, it's really been mind blowing just as

this is pure, interrupt, right. This is what I love. We you know, we didn't sign any agreements with anybody, no one has contracts. It's just Oh, connect into the protocol and Bumi. You're You're, you're good to go. Yeah, no, I think that's the that's the beauty of it. The interoperability is, I think, a key value here. Right? So cannot be a ds ds applications that are interoperable. And people can build the best tools for for their users. And yeah, as I

said, amazing. It's amazing to be here. And how do you one thing I've been wondering is on the on the app side, so what what a lot of apps are using right now is Ellen pay. And Ellen pay seems to have although y'all there's more interaction points, you'll have a bigger sort of interoperability ecosystem for lack of a better term, where you're having connectors between wallets and, and, you know,

outbound inbound these sorts of things. But I mean, from a from a sort of, I guess, framework point of view, it seems it sounds like it's still just a basic, like accounting layer on top of on top of a node. And so from that standpoint, you could do integrations directly, I would think you could do integrations directly with the apps with podcasting apps and that kind of thing so that they can, if a podcasting app wanted to use you, instead of Alvie, instead of LM pay that that

should be doable. Is that right? That's, that's doable. Yeah, I would go one step back here.

Again, I would mention one thought, or one idea that we're following is that actually users can bring their lightning wallet, their lightning accounts to applications, meaning that I don't have to create on the different applications on the different tools like on the different podcasting tools, for example, different wallets, that I have to top up where I have more than the money to spend or to receive, but that I have accounts that have one account, and I can bring that account to

these applications. And that's also the beauty of interoperability, I think, and that's a bit of a difference that we have to route that we're that we're going Ah, okay, so, you're looking more like Al b is your personal I think, I think Mo said that your personal spending account.

Your spending wallet. And the idea is to basically interrupt with as many applications as possible and have people use Alby as their, as their, as you said as their spending account, which is a huge responsibility for you guys actually. Yeah, I mean, this is a bit the idea that that the interoperability idea here, and that it's that that you basically provide API's, but open API's. So we are building

on open systems here. So it's all interoperable. It doesn't even need to be asked can be others to about ideas that, yes, the user has a wallet connects that wallet to an application, and that application can certainly interact with the Lightning Network and do things there. So So So are you saying that, let me let me make sure I

understand. So are you saying that if I, for instance, if I know Steven B, I think he's playing around with hooking up curio Kassar to lb if so, what I could Are you saying that I could hook in my my lb account, excuse me. Let me restart if if I could take my curio caster account and connect it to lb but not necessarily connected to the lb. Wallet. But I could connect it to my own node through lb as the as the proxy. Not yet. But these are ideas exactly.

Okay, so because that that would be a beaut, that would be a beautiful thing is to be able to spin you know, quote, unquote, spin up a wallet in curio caster, which would be using Alby but then But then pass through this connection to my own node. So that I can say that I'm using albies API, but it's really, it's really my own node. That's, that's an actual idea. I like that. That's very cool. Yeah. And you ended so then you've thought that you're on the roadmap for?

Totally, yes. I mean, that's what I what I mean a little bit with when I say, Okay, you have your node, you have your wallet already, we provide you one, yes. But we might already have one. And you can connect that one. And there's that one, you can bring that to all the different applications and use that one in those different applications, to do whatever these applications for the to, to receive, to send, and so on. And yes, and obviously, the accounting layer that you talked

about. As I said, our focus is definitely on usability also. And that's the easiest like to be the first thing to do, right, if we want to onboard people, and we want to make it easy for people to get on boarded. Right, we want to make it easy for people for podcasters to integrate the value tag there to

receive this magic internet money. And but then it's also about them, growing this that and having choice and having the opportunity to do other things like that you're describing this running your own node, but the goal would be to have this one single API, the one day interoperable API there. And then we've seen this like with rss.com, for example. And the big shout out to Al fiato. Because he really pushed a lot

to implement that. He that that's, that's a great example of how quick it can be implemented, and how nice it actually works at the end for the user. With just two, three clicks, and, um, you have a value for value, wallet on rss.com. I think this is, I guess, something that that is sort of an innovation definitely in this in this space, and has not been so easy. Before, especially when you think further because this wallet that you now have that you created on

rss.com, you can actually also use somewhere else. And these things together. I think it's super interesting for users. So how, how well do you sleep at night? How much do you help? How much do you wake up at three o'clock in the morning and wonder if your node is going to crash and that kind of thing? Because this is not for this is all new technology and it's not for the faint of heart? Are you is that is that stressful on your life?

I mean, it's not just the two of us, right? We have a we have a great team together with us working on it. And they are they're experts in this field. Because you know Tim Kay from LMP I'm sure you all know him. You know he's had stressful times with his node as well and he runs a large node for L and PE and you I know he's called us before and been, you know, been stressed out about some bug within lnd that's causing him, you know, sleepless nights and

that kind of thing. So I just wonder about how how hard that is on you running a service like this, the thing that that beekeepers actually if I go to the casting, I know GitHub repository and see all the ideas there and all the chats with all the innovation happening. And all these these ideas are there of the things that we can build. This is actually what keeps me Germans don't give a shit Dave, it's obvious. And like, and we don't care regulations, regulation. Yeah, they just do

stuff. Yeah, time shmup time. I'm looking at this and like, man, if these guys go down, podcasting is over. So here's one, here's one thing, we throw this at you. We've been talking about this thing, the Verify tag, and I'm starting to move on it right now. And we're, it's it's a, it's a way to it, you'll, you'll see why I'm bringing it up here in a second. It's a way to verify ownership of a feed. So currently, you know, as this old school methodology of your your email

address is in the XML of the feed. And if you're going to prove, let's say, if I want to connect my feed, if I want to prove that I'm the owner of a feed, claim, my feed on some third party website, I need to that that that service has to read my email address, send me a code and my email, I gotta get the code or click the verification link to prove on the owner of that email account, blah, blah, blah. So there's this, there's this back and forth email handshake that goes

on? Well, there's a strong push right now I'm in podcasting to get the email addresses out of the feeds. It doesn't bother me so much, but you know, whatever. But I understand that there's a better way. And the so this this way is this coming up as the Verify tag and puff magic fingers. On the GitHub, he wrote this big, this big, well thought out, solution for this based on

based on a handshake and call and URL callbacks. Ultimately, verifying that you are the owner of the feed through a J through a gentle JSON Web Token through a J WT that gets delivered to the service to prove that you are the owner. So my thinking on this was number one is a good idea. And number two, it can solve another thing that we've been wanting to do, which is

open subscriptions. So if people want to, if people want to put their content either behind a paywall or, or want to just have a subscription mechanism, that's not tied to something like like PayPal, for instance, I quote, quote, unquote, subscribe to multiple shows now through just a cron job key sent. It's really it's really stupid. But I just have a cron job set up to send a

designated payment every month. And that's my way of subscribing so that if I forget to listen to the show, or if they get behind, I don't want to miss boosts sending them a boost. And so if we have this open subscription thing, it could use a similar model where there's a handshake that happens between the the podcast app and the podcasters posting platform that says, Okay, are you are you going to subscribe to this and you say

yes. And then it delivers a JW T to you proving that you are that you've paid or you're a subscriber to to the to the show. I see this being sort of in the Alby wheelhouse I mean, I think that y'all something like an hour be service could be a way to to accomplish this y'all can y'all could be a broker through Elon URL or something like that. What do you have any thoughts on this? That's amazing. And these are exactly the things that keep me

keep me up at night. But totally, I mean, you describe the crunch up and I think subscription service subscriptions. We are we have the chance now we are moving more to be having smarter wallets more or less, that basically has had the decision of how much you want to pay and how often you want to pay on time is put on the user side on the listener side. And the wallet tool there then handles the payment automatically. like you did with Mr. Crunch up at

basically any any lightning wallet could could do that. And if he now integrate that, again, as you're saying this the identity part, then bam, we got we got open subscriptions, right. It's gonna be fun when when you do a substack version of this, there's going to be some substack service that's going to plug right in. It's fantastic. Yeah, yeah. Oh, man, we're taking over the world here is it? Yes. Everybody didn't. So we'll just get kick kicked off a substack. I forget

who it was like, Whoa, I haven't heard of anyone. Yeah, someone got D platformed. From sub like a kind of a mainstream person too. Because I guess stripe does their processing. It always comes down to the processor. Yeah, yeah. That's the ultimate thing. Yeah. Wow, this is very exciting. And all of a sudden, I'm seeing a bigger world. That's, that's possible. Of course, I'm sure there's a lot of pushback. People say, Well, you know, what

should all it should all be decentralized? Have you looked at any of these things like Project Greenlight which kind of have this hybrid model of, you know, you have your keys, yet? There's some kind of listener function in the cloud? Yes, and I think that's also what I wanted to emphasize on before is there are great technical tours coming up to make this more open, decentralized, but we're all building on the open, like on the interoperable Lightning

Network anyway, so the options are completely there. Right? Even if you're not there, maybe yet, just now. We might be there tomorrow. And you know, SDK, Greenlight, all these things are great ways, great progress to make these things possible. Do you guys have jobs? Do you? How do you how do you live? Clearly not from Albie yet? No, but yeah. So I was a software engineer that freelancing the last year basically, but I've been

focusing on audio since a more than a year now. So yeah, that's that's the that's the day and night job right now. Oh, okay. All right. Nice. Well, you've dedicated a lot of time when it has to become sustainable. So but yes, right now, this is the situation. How about tomorrow? More it? Do we lose more words? And they will get tired of the show? I don't know he's here. How about you, Morris? Do you have a day job where you also have the show? Also, I'm also working full time on RV.

That's very dedicated gentleman. I think this is fantastic. And we're so so proud and happy to have you to be associated with you in the podcasting. 2.0 family. Yeah, thanks. For thanks, thanks a lot for for talking so much about value for value. I think we cannot. We cannot like Tell, tell more people about that. It's important, I think, the potential what what is what, what what we can build on and build actually with, with all these tools that are available?

Now? I think it's incredible. It's up to us basically, what or to all the to all the creators out there to think of greater ways of interacting with their audience. That's, and I'm really, really, really curious how this will turn out in the next month. It's I think there's things that are going to happen and ideas that will come to fruition that we can't even think of right now. Hmm, what what are you? What are you doing around Ellen URL off?

Because that's a and a scene, you're doing some work on that. And that's the thing that we're going back to something that you said Bhumi a while ago. I see. I think you're right, you are touching on the fact that there are things being done with at least I think this is what you were saying there are things being done within lightning that are beyond just monetary. And don't I think I think this is an I think it's new for Bitcoin,

just talking on a Bitcoin perspective for just a minute. I mean, Bitcoin has never you know, there's there's been there's been the scripting language within Bitcoin in this been able to do some things, but there's never been this culture around like there has been with something like Aetherium or these other blockchain you know, things where there's been this sort of additive feature set on top of it that can do other types of things. But now that now we're seeing things like

lightning addresses, Ellen URL off. You know, these you know, who knows what will happen with Tarot, but there are things that are out there, lightning can do that. Open up A broader set of features. What? What are your What are your What are your thoughts on that? Yeah, totally. I think we there's Bitcoin we have like the best monetary network, and we have this great foundation is

very stable foundation. And now we have these building blocks to come to a more, more closer to an application layer, where we can build these things. And we have like, ln, well, ours, we have, like lightning addresses, as you say, that are those building blocks that we can now combine into different

applications. Right. So I think we will see that I will see maybe we'll see much more specifically this island well asked of VSD, I think this any application or anything that you're doing, at some point, you will have some sort of a need for some sort of identity, you won't identify the user, you have some kind of an account or you or something like that. There's a bit you post a switch, you log in, and so on, with

which you see your details. And, and, and, and I think there's only new laws, for example, is just that it's a it's a best specification, how you can do that with your keys that you already use this your lightning account. Yeah. Yeah, bring it bring up something that, that Alex Gates had developed a while back called the Java version, I keep calling it Java. I mean, JSON payment token is basically underwritten, you know, like a derive derived version of JW T,

that provides a proof of payment of a lightning payment. And that's the that's the thing that's that's missing. So think, like, once you have these pieces in place, you really can do identity verification, in a way that makes a lot of sense and doesn't tie you to, you know, a centralized provider. Shall we? Oh, go ahead. Please. Go ahead. No, I'm the experiment was that too. There was also LSAT, be currently around LSAT there, which I think tries to do

similar things. I haven't looked into the testing part there. But yeah, in the end, it also comes down back to the to the subscription part, right where you can say, Okay, I'm subscribing like I'm having this proof that I'm sending you value basically, which is already basically an application on top of that. Let's thank a few people who have been listening live and have been have been sending us boosts and some of them are worthy of mentioning I would say this of course, is a value for

value program value for value projects. And Steve Webb, the OG God caster. Just came in with a live boost 100,777 Satoshis Whoa. So he gets a call out 20 is Blaze on him follow like a massive striper boost. He's got the religious sevens in there. The booster gram. He says to help support the most important project in the podcasting space go podcasting podcast 3000 SATs from a podcaster who says I'm listening live on pod verse. This boost is what I've earned through listen to earn from

fountain a go podcast like that. So you got you you earned it on fountain and you spent it on pod versus Mike Newman 49,999 just shy of 50k love these live shows earlier you spoke of low hanging fruit tags. One that is deceptively so is the license tag. I'd like to use it but that is legalese. And there be dragons. Any recommendations on a license that says basically share and share like all of these licenses? Heck even look at Project Gutenberg Gutenberg seem as friendly as a bag of

broken glass. What's a podcaster to do looking forward to Dallas, go podcasting? Oh, podcast. You're the man to ask about this because you've had experience in this in licensing? Well, there was always a discrepancy or a different viewpoint the way I think James Cridland who drove this originally, what he thought the license would be for and what what I thought the license would be for there was also some question of should you use the

license tag to display licenses that you that you own? Such as you know, I have a Performing Rights Organization license in this podcast. That's one way but I think what you're looking for is just to protect your own content. I like the Why can't I think of it now? What is the what is the the copyrighted? Should I defend it in court? I can't remember it a common Creative Commons. Thank you. Sorry. Yeah, creative. Yes. Creative Commons has a lot of options. I've used it and I've

also defended it successfully in court. So Creative Commons would be the way to go and they have what you want there. 5000 from floydian slips podcasting 2.0 floydian says just the vibe kind of thing. Blueberry, who told us earlier that the first episode came out on September 11 2020. That was 6666 sets from him. And another 7777 from blueberry 10 out of 10 would prefer a boost Screen of Death. Yes, I would certainly prefer that.

Trampoline boosts from floydian slips 4123 And we had some pre boost before we started from Lyceum High Five booster gram 550 5555 Satoshis to the booster gram numerology page on GitHub. Oh, this is this is Martin, by the way, says I did a pull request for a row of ducks boost 20 to 22 Satoshis Did you see it on your end? Is it James Cridland Oscar marry or Brian of London who add the list to the item? Who does the pull request for the booster Graham numerology page?

That yeah, I thought that was true. Who does that was blueberry? I thought that was our Spencer. I think that's one of those guys. Yeah. Okay. Well, guys, there's a pull request for you. To add them. Yes. I have a podcast called High five for hemp. It started out as a solo show. And then Adam Tinkoff joined as a co host. I will relaunch in September after I've launched my last site, Tea Party dot media. All right, Martin. Thank you. Martin has been quite the supporter. He's boosting all

kinds of shows. He's all over the place. I think he's from Sweden. I want to say yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. Do we have here? Okay, I think that is what we have for pre boosts. All right, everybody. Thank you. Do you want to go through Oh, now they're coming in now. Okay. Okay, pay to our page are not to be outdone. Listen to this. How many ducks is this? tu tu tu tu tu tu tu tu 122,222 Satoshis a mega big baller duck boost. Sakala Blaze on am Paula.

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Yes. He's probably a Russian oligarchy. And he's trying to just divest of it before it gets gets confiscated. Yeah, makes sense. Okay, well, we'll take this from his yacht from his yacht, which is locked, locked to a chain in a harbor somewhere. Yeah. The French habit. Let's thank some of our other supporters. You can go to podcast index.org. Go down to the bottom there's a big red donate button. That's how you can send us Fiat fun coupons

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Tell them saying that around. Right. He had a problem with one of the podcasts on the index and I fixed it for him and then he came in just a few minutes later with a with a Pay Pal. $25 Pay Pal. It's very nice. Oh, thank you. I love it when people pay for your services. Yeah, well thank you for your service. It's the international lifestyle. I'm gonna go ahead and read the monthlies monthly pay pals. And because they were we can do boost in the end with that.

Okay. Was the camera Rose $25 Chad Farrow $20.22 Scott Jalbert $12 LORETTA ven Vandenberg $10 New Media, not the new media show. This is Martin Linda Skog. He's $1 Mark, Mark Graham $1 David metus Hey, David $10 Just maraca $5 and Jeremy knew $5 So that's our paper. Fun coupon providers. Thanks You're very much it's highly appreciated. This is going directly into all of the machines, everything that keeps it running and of course, liquidity on the node for all of those podcasts. By the way,

guys, I'll be guys. Hey, yeah, I'll be guys do we have? Do we have a some kind of channel between our node and your node? Right think return Oh, no, we need I need to check. Yeah, could you if you could, please, I'd love to open a channel to you guys. And you know that type? Yeah, I'd love to open a fat pipe to y'all. If you can send me a note Id because I just make sense, you know, makes a lot of sense for us for the whole

project. That'd be great. I'm sure. Fantastic. Okay. Back to our Bookstagram safe. No, we have live we gotta we have a plethora, a plethora plethora now. Are we cutting anything off at the 1000 level 10,000 Level, were we at worth 1000 level right now may have to be able to bump that up if if we keep getting a lot but we were at the 1000 level now but we reserve the right to selectively read those below the 1000 level if they're particularly humorous or funny. Always as always, yes.

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boost. The boost page, the numerology? Okay, he's coming in again. He says two to the 12 power is a four kilo boost. I can't do math in my head. 4000 Any successful Thank you MGH math lesson of the day over C dubs came in with 10,101 SAS through the boost CLI app. Very nice. He says thanks for the Eco Boost bot said s slash space slash slash backtick. Exclamation point. Oh man, he's doing streamline editing his booths now. He's trying I think he's trying to remember to do an RCE. But

he's trying to remote code execution. So my heavy pad is going nuts. Yeah. heel pad just drain my wallet. 1111 SATs from George Orwell. Not sure how that works, but back from the grave. And he says luckily inflation is transitory and according to Biden, there's no recession. That's great if we're all in good shape. Roy Schonfeld. There is no do you know guy you guys know Roy obviously, okay, right. Yeah, yeah. Roy in here. Oh, yeah. He's just a world class

human being of all and all. In all, it's coop, who listens to the show on Friday night while he's in bed. We see ROI. We see your ROI. Yeah, he's in Israel. So he's got like, you guys got to deal with time difference. So yeah, I know the minute we're done. It's time for him to first I think he takes a bath. Thanks. Nice, warm. Nice warm bath. With with milk and rowspan. Yes, exactly. And a little bit sad few drops of honey. And then he curls up

into bed and gets ready for the show. Yeah. That too is the International lifestyle. A value for value is ROI as simplifying. That's awesome. 54,321 SATs from ROI. Yeah. Through the breeze app and he says go podcasting. You bet. Thank you, Roy. What kind of robe Do you think Roy is? This is the velvet velvet velvet velvet velvet. Silk sheets velvet robe. Nice logo and the Oh yeah, he's got those slippers like the big fluffy plush slippers with Breeze logos on the on the toes.

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as a boost of fortune. Yes. Mere Mortals Podcast coming in again at 22 to 22 and he says podcasting 2.0 executing with scissors yay for you, thank you. Thank you Kira. Appreciate you guys. Pirate huddle. 4242 through fountaining says, when fed a mint comes out, how easy will it be to add to the V four V Spec? I sent this to you, I sent you this link Fetty meant Yeah, I didn't understand much of what I was reading.

It seems like it's a a different version of a way to route payments, kind of like lightning only on chain and there's some, some trust involved it the whole idea was very compelling. But I agree. It's like my eyes at a certain point like whoa, okay. And I'm glazing over here. I can't I just couldn't figure it out at a certain point. I was trying to read it when I was in the mindset of the Verify tag and it just was like, Yeah, you can't do that now. Eject. Eject?

Okay, well, hey, it's as far as we're concerned. Everything should work. Why not? I don't see why anything wouldn't Yeah, exactly. See, see our podcast through send us 5300 Nonsense through breeze. He says awesome episodes props for the zero MQ. Shout out as I use that. simulations on the HPC cluster. Go podcasting? Yes, see? Yes. No, you were right. You were right. And it resulted in a booster gram valid content. It is. slewed soon as 333 says it's possible rename of the pimp

acronym. proposal to improve modern podcasting. That's valid. Yeah, that's good. That should be the your first pimp is to change the term pimp. Like that. Yes. The Scotty Scott Sikora sent us a Van Halen boost 5150 SATs through fountain he says another great show guys too bad everything went way over my head. You still appreciate all the hard work and knowledge you give. All right, man. Thank you very much. Yeah, we I tried to bring

us back down to earth. It's way over my head too. Sometimes. So okay, that's that's usually usually it's usually the fault. I blame booster grams. It's no one's fault. It's there's a lot of people who do dig it anonymous and it's 5000 SATs to cast ematic and whoever Anonymous is thank you Mike Newman from podcast index sucks that social for your help. Oh wait you gotta we got we got Mike Mike. We got we got Mike's booster Graham Cool.

Sorry Mike. You're Not You can't give it back. No, no, no way to do it. It was a it was done is done. There's no reply button. Texas comrades and it's 33 SAS is love to see my podcasting worlds collide. Nice. Like it. Steven basin is 1000 Sastra curio caster Of course. And he says curio caster Alby Wallet API integration test boost UI which await Okay, he threw in some German did did they do it you Tritton in dinars? Yeah, okay. I'm not gonna get that but me. Yeah, no.

Thanks, Steven V. Dirty divorce. sounded like it was going to be dirty. Yeah, the money you get are the you know? Okay. Always fun for this. For the mono lingual guy. Todd Cochran sent us 10k sets and he says simple boost. Received. Thank you very much. Yep. And Mike Bell said his 1234 sets and he says, Did I beat Todd? Oh, right. Yes, you did. You did, actually. Because the timestamp is preceding Cole McCormick. 111 11. Wait, that

that number doesn't make any sense. 1111 How about that? He says, I'm becoming a better podcaster and a better booster because of this show. Listen to America. Plus, you will get 2000 SATs for a listen. Oh, well. Oh, okay. How does that work? How does? How does that he sent us 1111. But if we listen to his show, we get 2000. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I know, just one marketing perspective, from a marketing perspective. You should send us 2000 And say anyone can get to

I'm just trying to help out here. I gotcha. Yeah. I wonder how he does that. Is that is that a fountain promotion or something? I don't know. Maybe he just doesn't do his show. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Let us know how you're doing that. Yep. Brown of London in the hot Dao. Yay. 43,000 210 sets and he says, And now for your regularly scheduled $10 contribution from Brian of London. Yes, thank you, Brian of London. Appreciate that, Brian, and thank you for your help troubleshooting all of the pod

pain things. Yeah. couldn't do without you and Alex, everything everywhere. That's scary aren't our buddy 100,000 SATs found through the fountain app, he says it's been a few weeks, so I figured I should make up for lost time. Looking forward to your session in Dallas. And I hope other people in the industry show up as well. Learn I learned something new every day, Gary aren't the everything everywhere daily podcast, this Dallas thing is going to be so interesting. We're gonna have

to go at triple speed. You have 30 slides you said? No, that was just the other day. I'm up to 40 No, no, you can't did no Dave. It's not gonna work. You can't do 40 slides. No, this is this is just how you this is your process. Okay. Yeah, I put in way more than I had. And then I start paring it down. I'm thinking I get to around 20. Yeah, okay. I don't have I don't have any slides.

We'll see. I don't have your I don't have your skill set. I can't just walk in and like off the cuff or a DJ for 25 years. I'm willing to do that. I didn't mean it like that. You're very good talker. You can't you have you do I mean you can just walk in with a sheet you know, with something that has like three lines on it and just talked for like an hour. I can't do that. Again. I guess so much prep material. Okay. Well, I got 15 minutes. Right. I get I get 15 minutes

and then and then you take the rest right? Yeah, I'm gonna guess what is what is it? 45 minutes. Whew. 45 minutes. Sessions are ridiculous. Seems really short. It did seem short to me. I was expecting an hour but no, no, no, no. Okay, let's go over we get to train an entire industry paying. No, it's like, I know exactly how I'm going to Hi, everybody. I know why you're here. You want to know how you can make money in podcasting? Well, let me tell you, I'm going to make you so

rich. You'll be able to leave your wife so rich, you're going to be from this podcasting experience that sit right down everybody it's going to be great. You went to a full carnival barker there for I don't know what happened. Blueberries and a 17,770 success and he says I went to the Franklin Institute go science infill yesterday. And while playing with some plasma balls, and that was my nickname in high school back there came another idea. We've been using

GIFs for all of our show art forever. What if there's a way we could send just back to the IRC chat. When booster grams come in? I like it. I like it. It can be done using boost bot unique Joe could pop up in the chat for different boost amounts. IRC takes a show from a podcast to a full production Eat your heart out YouTube Super Chat. Yeah. So he said go science. Is that what he said? Yeah, shut up already. Science. Lyceum sent us a high five booster

gram. Oh, is this the one you read a while ago? That's the one I read. Yeah, okay. Okay. All right. Cool. We got overlap here. Alright, so the delimiter is gotta be here. Hmm. Fountain. He sent us 15,033 Sassy says Howdy, Dave and Adam. Apart from news items, and knowledge corner, we added history corner to our podcast about artificial intelligence. So please enter in web browser for any podcast app. A cooking to listen to silky voice of Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent

jibber jabbering about AI news. Yo. All right, everybody good showing. Good showing for strong, strong, very strong. Thank you. It's been it's been a delight to see the transition from Fiat fund coupons to sound money. we've transitioned and y'all have done that. Thank you so much for, for doing that. That's it's a mind boggling thing. Value for value. It's the new international lifestyle, you're soaking in it right now enjoy it, you too can be a part

of it for your own podcast. We're showing you exactly how it's done. And this project is running on it. Really appreciate that. Value for value for for Michael and Moritz. You guys consider that as a business model? Are you just going to stick with kind of the the the premium feature or charging for it? Did you have thoughts on that on the value for value for yourselves?

Definitely. So we will be happy to also accept some value streams from the extension users, for example, to all the developers that that work The extension that will be awesome. Yeah, for sure I you know, I do need. If you don't mind if you can email that to me, I need a wallet ID from from one of you because we'll put you in the split for today's show for sure. Just so you can have that wonderful experience. Have you

ever been in a podcast split before? Where you see it just just coming into your node? Yeah, not really, in the podcast split. I created some like test podcasts. And someone coincidentally, discovered it on Taunton. And suddenly I had I don't know, like 25 or 40 booths. And it's just fascinating. It's fun. Yeah, cuz you'll get our booster grams too. Yeah. Okay. So send me your semi whatever your your addresses that that you want to use. Like lightning address, you can just use the Hello at

get lb.com address. The other details I can send after Yeah, just said just send that in. In Email. That'd be great. Yeah, I don't think a lot of maybe some people don't know that that that lb if you use Alby as your as your podcast or wallet, you can you can see all your booster grams and everything there in the in the web interface. Right. Exactly, yeah. Okay, so you've got the like a helipad features in there. So you can you can see the booster grams as they come in.

Exactly. This is also something that we, for example, expose through the API, to, for example, a podcast hosting service who wants to integrate an AVI Wallet. So nice, right now, for example, what rss.com shows is the balance that you have in the RB wallet, and also the number of booster grams that you received. But it's thinking further on, I think that's also what they're working on, is, for example, all other directly show all the booster grams that a podcaster receives on the

dashboard, on their dashboard on rss.com. And I think it's, that's that's just another way to keep the podcaster on on on your service, basically, because you do, we would not have to

switch to our log into the IP wallet separately. If you already have all the information available on the dashboard of this particular hosting service, there's something else that that we talked about in the real way in the beginning, and it's come up from time to time and you guys could actually implement this, it would be wonderful as a podcaster. To be able to see a graph a chart over time, that

shows me people listening. So they're streaming SATs, you know, whatever, you know, the per minute streaming sites, I'd love to see that aggregated in a in a graph by episode. So I can see at what point people stopped listening, or when would less people are listening or more people are listening, right there on the timeline, I'd love to see, oh, here's a boost so that I can mouse over see the boost to gram click, and I can hear exactly what was being said, no one has done that yet.

But they're going to and I think you guys could lead the way and facilitate that. Yeah, I think that's a great idea here. Because it's at the end boosts are such a great indication of value. Like Like, just with real value, the moment that you really see okay, what's the interesting moment for my audience or not? Exactly. Analytics are on our roadmap. Darius? Cool, what else? That's great.

Do you have other analytics or stuff that you're that we haven't talked about that you're on that are on the roadmap? Funnily enough, actually, yesterday, somebody was also listening, I think, showed me some of the things that you just talked about this the analytics and the graphs using the API dependent on data and graphs, graphs, it's on our charts on some, yeah. Who was this mystery person? We gotta go figure out who's doing that shit. I love it.

Boy. Boy. We need the I think that a lot of this data is that people have not discovered yet what a rich amount of data this is. So when when you find that out and figure out okay, well, you know, per minute boosts or Beano street streaming level boost and big N single boost and these kinds of things. I mean, there's a lot of there's a lot of information that you can glean from all that and see the hosting companies will want to They will want that eventually they'll want to have that

information. I started thinking about this the other day when the rss.com Did the lb integration. And then we saw Castillo's looking at doing. They expanded their, their, their wallet parameters to accept the custom key custom value, and they're planning on doing an integration. And then

you had just just cast did a did anatomy integration. I started, we started when we saw this flurry of integration happening, I started to think it, you know, it's good, because hosts, hosting companies are sort of embracing their role as less pushers of monetization strategies, and a lot of the hosts take that take that responsibility very seriously. They, they say, okay, one of our roles as a host, is to really help our podcasters that want to monetize to help them monetize.

And we they take that seriously by doing things like medium, dynamic ads, they do consulting a lot of times, I know, Todd Cochran does a lot of that, where he talks one on one with people in trust to come up with a game plan to help them monetize when they when their audience gets to a certain size.

So they take that role very seriously. And in this, the value value stuff is a natural fit for that with with these Alby integrations, because like, it's you lucky as a host, you have a very big responsibility to say, Okay, here's a way you can monetize, or here's where you can make money. And here's this other way, you can make money. Here's another way and another way. And another way, it's like, it doesn't have to be the value for value and streaming says, they don't have

to be the only way you make money. But it, but it is a piece in and you don't just you don't look at it away as Okay, here's five ways I can make money. I'm just not going to do three of them. Like that doesn't make that doesn't really make any sense. And the perfect example of this is a guy like Jack, Jack reciter from darknet diaries. I mean, that guy has every single way you can make money nailed. I mean, he's got he does. He's doing ads. He's doing booster grams. He's doing me like

literally everything. And I was like Chris Fisher to there. He's adopting all these different ways in it doesn't make in. I see that as a hosting company, being a good steward of their customers to say, Okay, here's this other new way of making money that just popped up. Let's make sure that that's available to you guys. Just make sense to me. Ah, the week comes to an end and I'm overwhelmed. Yeah, that's this was a bit. This was a crazy week.

It really was what it was anything else? We need to talk about that? I know you've been shoring up some of the tags? Yeah. I mean, we just finalized the block tag yesterday. As of yesterday. Yes, yes. Yes, it was yesterday. So you may just go over okay. Yeah, sure. Okay. So the bite, bite bite tag is formalized. And we've we've worked on this for a long time, and finally got it into a way that I think we can all agree with. It's a it's a simple, it's a very simplistic tag. And part

of the problem was I was overthinking it. And I was trying to make a you know, we had this sort of complicated way of doing like a reverse exclusion list and all this kind of stuff and right, and magic fingers. Which I gotta find out this guy's real name. He's French. That's the French guy. Yeah. Yeah. French. Yeah. The he, he kept say he kept sort of, he's like, Nah, that's just not right. It was too complicated, too complicated. To finally I think we finally worked it out to where, I guess

sort of got his his idea. And what he was saying was, you know, just make it where you have multiple tags available in the feed, you can put multiple block tags in. Here's, here's the way it goes. If we're trying to maintain backwards compatibility with the iTunes block tag. So you put the block in the podcast block tag, if you have in your feed something this is podcast, podcast blog, yes. If that's the tag, then it operates just like what people assume that the iTunes blog tag

does now, which is blog everything. This is essentially a private feed. I don't want anybody any services ingesting it and showing it publicly. It's It's not meant for public consumption. Got it. That's the baseline. Now the iTunes tag doesn't actually mean that we've gone over this before, right? But this is what this will mean. Yes, yes. This is what everybody thought it means. So that's what

this this formalizes that. Then you have podcasts blog. No, that's the same as the blog tag just not being present at all, again, just like the iTunes, right, right. Then you can have an ID and optional ID attribute. So you can say podcast block, id equals, and the name of the service. Now, there's a slug list involved, which I don't, I'm not crazy about. But it's just as we, we really could not figure out a way to make it less complicated. You're

always going to need a slug list, I guess. Or some version of it. Yeah, yeah. Cuz we thought about doing like TLD or not TLDs. But like a domain names. Like, like, if you wanted to blog Google, we say google.com. But But honestly, if the if the service. Like, if the company has multiple properties, you'd have to be doing multiple domains. And if they change their name, their domain name is probably gonna change anyway. So it just it's like at the end of

the day, it was just okay slug list. And we'll just keep it will add to it it's a public repo people can add themselves to it, blah, blah, blah. So you can say, podcast block with a node value of Yes, and an ID equals Google or ID equals Amazon you can have multiple times you can have multiple of those for the all the different services you want to block. Right? Okay, so you want them in you can do the opposite. Also, you can say, podcast block with a value of No, and the idea is

Google or Amazon or Spotify or Apple or blah blah blah. So the way the weights you can combine these you can say you can have one block you can have a block tag a generic general block tag of Yes. Meaning block everything and then you can follow that up with block ID Google No, Block ID Amazon No. So you can have three block tags one of them is does not have an ID and just says yes, that means block everything the Google and Amazon IDs have no so those will be open. Those will be open means I

want to block everybody except Google and Amazon. If you if you flip flop and say no and say only include ID Google yes and Amazon yes, that means block don't block anybody except do block Google and Amazon. So it basically it sounds more complicated. No Yes, it makes total sense. You can set it up however you want you have any any any version of combinations I love

it sounds perfect. It's approved podcast so you can just like as a host or as a platform I mean as a service that wanting to ingest this feed all you got to do really is just say it you just go through a sequence and say does does pod does podcast does does the block tag exists with my ID in it right and then what it was either a yes or no yes say about my if it does then I'll just follow the rule there and ingest it or not based on what it says if I if I'm not

specifically called out in the feed you're good to go and just follow I just follow the general tag and if there's a yes in there I don't ingest it if there's nothing in there or no I do ingest it. It's pretty simple. Beautiful ingestion beautiful. Another another element is in the books Yeah, I can't wait to use it. I can't wait for it to show up and curio caster so I can put a big Spotify equals no everywhere. This is what gets you in trouble.

Oh, no, no, no, I've been waiting. This is I've been waiting for it. I'm good for this. I like it. A couple other ones I want to put no on. You've given me an evil tool. Dave Jones. Yeah, that's what this is all about. That's what the whole project is about is creating evil tools. I want to thank our guests in the board room today. Moritz Kaminski and Michael boomin from Alby get lb.com guys thank you so much for being here for spending time I know that you're

so what is it there? You're running on about nine o'clock now. It's actually nine o'clock no worries now it's a pleasure to be on the show with you and and make sure that anything you you're already on podcasting, Rockstar social too but anything anything you need let us know anything you got to promote any new anything. Any new things you have let us know this is it's your board. It's

your board meeting too. And we appreciate having you in the group in the in the project is really really cool to have you here. Let's keep building Yes, keep building indeed. Mr. Jones? Yes, sir. Anything anything else? Now I'm just gonna I've got some programming to do hopefully this weekend and get some things done and then Before you know we're off to Dallas. Yeah, yeah, I got it. I got 20 slides to get rid of. That's right. I've got to learn how to speak at 1.5 speed

everything's gonna be beautiful. Yeah. All right, everybody have a great, great weekend. Dave, Miko and mauve. We'll see y'all soon. Bye Bye You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org for more information. We have the booths boost