Episode 95: We Are The Jazz

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July 29 2020 to Episode 95 We are the jazz Hello everybody. Welcome once again to the official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in what's new and cool in podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org Of course we discuss the namespace, the podcast standards, and anything else that we've been messing around with the podcast index

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but still applies to both podcasts. This person is a racist, racist white nationalist accounts are interacting, replying being bigots in comments interacting with this content. This person possibly platforming such people doing such they're also interacting with others doing such podcast name, orange pill podcast. The max and Stacy orange pill podcast. Seriously orange pill podcast is now radically in this email might not even be talking about the orange pill podcast is racist. They may have

just added that in Yeah, I guess named Marco. But just anything that happens to pop up when they scrape the website. It is said to change this to people not person. So clearly, we don't know how to interpret their I'm telling you, man, the woes we have to go through for running an index, you know, all these these takedown requests this? It's actually we want to really talk about that much. But have we received any real? Like One Night Two DMCA takedown requests total since we've been doing this?

Yeah. Not many, not many real. of you know, like, real DMCA takedowns. Where it's like, get it off. Yeah, we didn't do anything. And this may be a couple of people. Like I don't want to be on your lawyer because a couple of those. But most are oh, so embarrassing. Please delete this person. You get a lot of most of that as anchors like, Oh, I did this when I was like 12. Yeah, please remove this. Exactly. Exactly. Ah, so I'm day to day four of the of the Cuf.

This is round two for you. Yeah, yeah, maybe three. Did you say maybe? No, no, no, no, just two to 14 as well. She she got it from her friend. And she was in Utah. And came back and she's like, stay away from me. Yeah, like, no. If I had to get it, I'm gonna get it. Like you're gonna get it. Stay away. Like the germs are not gonna fly into my face. So of course I got it. It didn't take long. It's like a summer cold. It's just annoying. It's just a waste of time. It's very annoying that way.

Yeah. Melissa, Melissa, she went to Tampa a few weeks ago and she got like, the big girls Girls trip vacation. Been looking forward to it. Day one as soon as she got down there, got it. And tested positive. And then she was like, Oh, great. Yeah, I get to stay in the hotel. Oh, no, no, she didn't know she went out to the beach and stuff. But I mean, it was it's just an annoyance at this point.

So it was it was fun listening to the pod man podcast today, which is basically now just a companion show for this one. It's a spin off it really is. My dog is trying to say something I'm not sure what she wants my dog. Oh, you're a dog. I thought it was they sound so similar. They like they are the window number of routing Audio Routing issues we had it may be my dog come in through your, on your house. You know, let me talk about that for a second

because this is important for podcasting peoples. So, just to briefly recap for well over a decade, maybe maybe longer it really since we started podcasting, I've been always looking for the ultimate all in one portable device that would really do it all with all the routing and the compression and, and it's never really gotten there. And I mean, let me ask you this real quick. Yeah. What do you think this qualifies, rises to the level of an obsession with you?

Would you call it? Would you call it that word? Yes. I mean, not an obsession, like you have to do it every single day. But it's something that always I've been, I mean, if you go back and look, you can see that I've made so many different versions of a portable podcast rig. And I've had it in Pelican cases. And I've documented most of that work. I mean, this goes back to at least 2009 or something. But even before then, you know, we were doing podcasting. And it just

seemed, yeah. Obsession. No, it's it's a part of the whole idea. The idea is that if we can create this, then it has to also be small. And there's no reason why we can't have something that does everything the right way. We've kind of been borrowing from the music industry for years and years, the way the way their stuff is set up. And then device makers clearly saw the market for gaming. And so most of their devices were for gamers and Twitch streamers, which is still different. It's a

different setup than what you need for podcasting. And certainly, the theory I have is you, you get it good to go, you hear what's going to be on the recording, and you do it all in one in one take. And if you need to edit, you can go back later and cut stuff out. But I'm not really I don't think because we haven't had a device that lets you do that easily. And

professionally. People resorted to the well and we record multitrack and we go sit there like Phil Spector and on the wall of sound, I'm going to do everything and compress everyone's you know, did a little bit panning. So which I just don't think is it for the for some some people they may like to in that. But I've always believed there's a very big

market for just being able to sit down and do it. And so I've reached out to many device makers, I've tried to make my own and even did a GoFundMe at one point which failed because I had to pull it because we couldn't deliver the technology, the actual Attabad technology partner. That's what I heard man, but I had, but I had the concept, oh hardware, I'll never I don't think I should ever do hardware. Again. It's hardware. It's crazy. And now what I see what road has come out with at

the price point even which is $700. It doesn't matter, I would pay $2,000 for this, it doesn't matter. It's exactly what I want. And the nice thing about what they've done is they really have it set up so they can issue firmware updates with real functionality right off the bat. So even since I've had this, which has been what, six weeks or so maybe not even. Yeah, we're five weeks like that in a month, month or so.

So we got a firmware update. And it included some routing specific routing options, which the gamers actually wanted to they had made such a great podcast device, gamers went well hold on, you know, this is not working for us anymore. So they were able to fix that pretty quickly, which I think was fantastic. So So when do you choose the appropriate window to do a firmware update that is critically important with your slate of podcasts?

Yes, I did this on Monday. So after after the no agenda show, I would have now I knew I was not going to do mo because I knew I wouldn't even be able to talk by Wednesday. And I had to save my my energy for Thursday. So yeah, I had a good three days in between tickle, because I'm not crazy. And everything was

working fine. Right. But here's here's a bug that I noticed. So the way it works, when you switch to a different show you you literally import this show from the settings from the intern or from the SD card that's internal to the device that you stick into the device. Okay, and it was bringing back the settings with the new routing capabilities. It was confused and it should have just known what to do and have the routing. The way it was the last time we did the show which was

pre update. But it didn't and and so when it came on, it just confused everything and I had to go in and reset the routing, which is kind of the first time I was doing it. So it made a complex ate it. And by then, of course, I had already messed around with clean feed and made changes there thinking that was the problem. And so now we had four things to deal with. But it was meters. I think metus was in the in the chat room. And he said, manage. This is it's the routing stuff.

Yes. He said, Nick, your nuke your routing and get back to default and then start from there. Yeah, and that's the thing this show had not had any routing. So that's a that's an update bug. You know, it's very, very hard. It's particularly with with production machines, you know, you got people relying on it, and you're, you're issuing updates and stuff doesn't work a whole man. Yep. Well, Microsoft. Yeah. Well, anything really, it's Welcome to sovereign feeds. I

mean, welcome to all kinds of stuff. Absolutely. Well, this, this bleeds into that's a perfect segue into pod ping dot cloud. And this was yeah, this was a good one. But because, okay, you know, my my day job for the last 2626 years has been no 27 years has been as a system administrator, taking care of servers and all kinds of, you know, lots of other things. But so, as part of that, I have acquired a, a proclivity to not change things, unless there are important reasons to

do so. So, like the same that will say, you know, okay, your bios, your firmware, firmware, don't upgrade it. Unless there unless there is a a security flaw that you think you'll be affected by the new feature you can't live without, or see a bug that you're trying to fix? If none of those three things are there. Don't don't install don't flash your from your motherboard firmware, don't do any, you know, don't don't flash firmware on a device. Well, I apply that to all updates, all updates of

anything, if something is working. And there's not a security problem, a feature I need, or a bug. I'm not touching it. Because that just at your you're randomly adding extra work and extra potential failures to your slate. I've learned I've learned this over the years. The main thing is when when to update, you know, even even Windows Update. Yeah, I deny that until I'm I know, I gotta clear 48 hours ahead. Oh, yeah, you never install Windows updates within the first

week. You always wait at least you know, but I mean, even just I know that I have 48 hours to fix something. Oh, yeah, that's what I mean by that. Oh, yeah. That's where yeah, anyway, so I've been looking at what I want to get as a really good Linux distro that is just really good at the routing and sound and stuff. And then and then only need one like, only one extra program to fulfill well, I need you I gotta go. I'm using Hindenburg Pro, which I love to death

specifically for editing. So now it's coming down to okay, I can use Linux now in the studio environment with the road caster, which I feel a lot better about, even though I know a guy who's boon to crashes all the time on the show. Yeah, that. No, that's you. Oh, that's me. Yeah. No, it's never DeVore X Box ever. Now that doesn't have that does not happen to him. Yeah, my box has not had a good week. Yeah, we can talk about that, too. I was gonna say the so what am I going to replace that with?

Audacity is not going to cut it for for editing the way I can edit with Hindenburg Pro. So now it's literally come down to the specific usage of the apps that that may determine my switch. Hmm. But so is is Hindenburg the use of usable and wine or is that a disaster? That's a disaster waiting to happen. I mean, you're you're writing huge, you know, raw files back and forth. But I want it to be native to I mean, that's, it's kind of a pushy

move. You know, it's like I'm on Linux, but I'm using wine for half my app. Doesn't feel right. Right now. See, I feel it's the other way around. I feel like as opposed to move, I feel like it's like, you know, shows you got like big honies to Steven a tip that we're right. Again, what I'm about to do, again, production environment. And we're doing the show and then all of a sudden wind decides to go kernel panic or whatever you record in Hindenburg.

i Yeah, I do. Yeah, that's, that's no, but it's, but it's also just it is my editing software. You know, I It's Believe it or not, they use a hjkl Shortcut system. For forward, backward Fast Forward. Fast backward, you know, I've got it's so it's complete muscle memory from for me now. Like, I can edit so fast so that would that that's that's going to be the big one for me anyway.

But I had to decide to stop my Umbral services before we started the before we started a podcast from my Umbral that that is my podcast, Rick, and I had to stop it because it's currently 55% of the way done of re downloading the blockchain. Yeah, were you doing the upgrade to ODOT? Five? Yes, because I let my mind failed, failed every single time and I've given up you. So your failure and, and my failure or two failures, I think are different things. Because you I don't know what yours is.

But I know I know Azim I know 100% where mine is now. But let me let me just say one thing about mine. I haven't I have not tried to update my actual mic. The Umbral that runs, you know, that I receive booster grams on this is the official Bitcoin machines, the one that I bought in the in the encasing everything official. So it's not it's it has to be the

right configuration. And for that not to update and then we have to go in command line and remove and I've tried all the Remove update dot JSON are in progress, all that shit, nothing worked. That's that's an that's a, a showstopper, you know, you buy the box, because it's supposed to at least do some things. Right? Okay, here's, this is another lesson from sysadmin. World is that that is an intoxicating idea that you always that you will always get pulled back into. And this is not specific

to any one vendor or anything. But it is always the case that we are prone to think that is the vendor that makes the thing if you get their thing, and they're also the ones that make the software that it's natural, you think, Okay, well, they're the ones that make the software. So if I buy their box, or their if I buy their other software, that's going to be the best experience because they know best, because they're the ones that literally made the thing that is 100% not correct.

Oftentimes that NIDS just as bad or worse as everybody else's stuff. Yeah. What's interesting, though, if you go into the telegram group, or you know, and try and get some help, the first thing they always say, Well, you know, you got to get the right connector, and you don't have the right board and your your power supplies the wrong power supply. So I could bypass all of that. And to Hey, you should just did an update. And what happened? Yes. Yep. So I don't know that.

That's because we so many times in corporate world, you're like, Oh, should I buy we already our main software is x. And that's what our business lives on. But we have this other third party, where we're used for this other thing, but then x comes out with a with a software that competes with the other thing. Oh, I should buy that because that's going to work great. Yeah, great. No, sir. It does not work that way. I heard that there's this. There's a buddy of mine in

Dallas. He was trying to explain his business to me. Is it true that there's there's a whole business sector that comes to guys like, do you do a purchasing you must do purchasing? Yeah, yeah, they come to you. And they say, Okay, here's what we got. We got this from Microsoft, this from Oracle, all these different things, different packages, maybe some new stuff, maybe some some cool things. And then and

then you say, Okay, I'll do that. And then they basically call Microsoft and Microsoft then get a separate bunch of guys to come in and implement it. And the guy who talks to you gets IVIG for the rest of his life, or the lifetime of the contract. I totally believe that yeah, because Mike Yeah, you're I know a guy that does that on the phone side. He does that with phones with phone software and systems. Yes. I think my buddy also does a lot of phone software and systems Yeah, like call centers?

Yeah, it's a consultant it's a consultant Yeah, just goes out and shops shops your package around them. Yeah. What a scammer that he gets he gets a piece of the license fee is for the length of the contract. Oh, yeah. This guy makes bank I mean, he's like, What are we doing wrong? Do we mess around with this podcasting stuff for like this is crazy. asleep and making money we're paying our own money to go to Dallas I want to get paid I want to get paid like those guys know Yeah.

in perpetuity forever all right. No, bomb bro. Just shit the bed I mean like If so what happens I trust started, I started the upgrade, it wouldn't upgrade to the GUI. So I went in command line as, like Chris Fisher said, told me, this is his fall, he told me to do it. So I'm gonna blame. Okay, so I went in there and I hit the start of the upgrade script. And, and I noticed that it's, that is making a backup of the entire Umbral directory. First I'm

nothing, okay? It's why wouldn't like That's weird. I'm guessing it's gonna make a backup of the of the whole directory and drop in a new file structure and then import and then bring in selectively config files and stuff from the old install. That's the only thing I can think. And so part of the problem is, you've got the entire blockchain there. So it's, it's backing up to the end, I thought I had a two terabyte drive and I'm like, okay, all right. It's, it's fine

to two terabytes. It's gonna be it's gonna be tight, but it'll it'll fit. Well, no, I had a one terabyte drive. Oh, no, you're screwed. No, that won't do it. Ran the volume out of space. And everything stopped. I'm like, Oh, shit. So I go in there try to start cleaning it up. in it. Now it's half an update. It's a halfway finished out. They I don't know what's what. Now let me ask you a question. Did you backup your channels before you started this process? I

did backup my channel. Okay. And I had my seat words. Like a good little boy, I had all of my stuff in a good few days. Yes, I did all of the did all of these things. And that was very important. Because I came I came back, I finally got back home. Well, the, you know, did you tell scale? Right, right. And of course, then the thing dies, and I have no access anymore. So I get home. And I start it. I clean up the disk space issue. And I just go, I go back to what it was. And I try to start start

the update again. And because there wasn't enough pain the first time like, Come on, let's do it. You know, I was asking myself the whole time. Why am I why am I doing this? Yeah, I did have an answer to myself. And the answer was, because Hello, Pat, I've got to have this newest development environment. This is true. Because otherwise developmental help out I can't go to the umbrella. Yeah. So I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna make this happen. And, and start the

upgrade again. It starts cop, it starts copying the thing. This time I'm prepared for this scenario, it starts copying the blockchain files. And here's, here's my thought, Okay, here's my thinking. This thinking ultimately will bite me in the ass and mean, a mean way more work for me. But this was my thinking at the time. I'm going to stay ahead of this. What I'm going to do is as it's backing up, it's it's clearly going to

bring all the blocks all the blockchain files back. And so what I'm going to do is as it's backing it up to this temporary directory, I'm going to delete the blockchain files from the source directory. Oh, this is a very bad idea. And I'm going to stay just behind the curve. So that it when it's on blockchain, Blockchain style 347, I'm deleting 341 through 346. And you're doing this manually and you're watching the log in real time and you're doing rm and then whatever,

RM BLK star, star, whatever. Did you think ahead? What happens if it fails? And then you need to go back and do the copy again, and you've deleted them all? No, no, of course, I didn't think about that. No, that's yeah, that the story would would have already been over if I'd have thought of that. Because so I'm deleting I'm happily deleting I'm like, Man, this is such a great idea. I'm, I'm hacking this this system so hard. And it finishes and then

it just it goes, does a bunch of stuff. And then it says, Okay, you're done. You're upgraded. I'm a genius. Genius. I got some I got the year upgraded message many times to like, Man, I You are a badass. You're so genius. It says it right there on the command line. It goes prove that you've been updated. 0.5 Then you start it up. Yep. And, and it was 0.5. Really? It was 0.5 with no Bitcoin or lightning app. Yay. And I was like, Wait, okay. Be

right. I must, that must. Okay. And then I'm thinking and then then I'm starting to like, I'm doing the thing where I'm getting rid of my panic mode by trying to rationalize what could be happening. Yeah. So I'm like, Okay, I bet you this is what they did. I bet. They give you a blank Umbral point five and then you install the Bitcoin and lightning node apps. And then everything just comes back, though course that's stupid that makes no, it makes no sense. I installed the Bitcoin app and

it's just blank. No, no chain, no no chain, installed the lightning node app it says, now you got nothing. You got to wait to the to the for the chain to snake. Oh crap. So now you you read read you started up from your seed words. Yeah, that's where it gets that's where it gets real fun. Because here's a bug with 0.5 You can't recover from seed words what it's got the

option is just gone. It and I confirm this on message boards and everything there is no option to recover from see words in 0.5 in the 0.5 version, so Wow, the only option is blow all that stuff away. Go back just rm rf the whole MF er, install oh point five, install Oh, point 4.18 And then do the upgrade. Do the restore from seed words, let the blockchain sink Oh. And then however many days that takes hope that your channels didn't force close by the time that finishes so you can restore your

channel back. Which is currently the phase I'm in? Wow. Hey, Roy, when you when you're going to give us that new hot shit you're working on man. So we now have to deal with this anymore. This is crazy. I want some green light, man. This was suck. Give us some Greg. Give us him green light, bro. Yeah, that does suck. I'm sorry. But, you know, that's yeah, I don't under the I have no ill will towards Umbral in any way because I think they're doing a

very complicated thing. I can't even imagine trying to handle all the stuff that they're doing. But this you should not ship a Bitcoin wallet with the deterministic bitcoin wallet without that does not have the ability to recover from seed words. That is a showstopper. Yes, it is. That should have never left the barn.

All right. So we talked about podcasts? Yeah, well, let's, let's transition into and this is what I was hearing on pod land that Oberto from rss.com was talking about, and I encourage everyone to listen, that interview was talking about the integration with the lb wallet, and but not heard that

you will love it. Because just listening to how they think about the development of their hosting services, and the roadmap and how they determine the roadmap and how they do enhancements, and most importantly, the decisions Why is really interesting. And it also gave me a little more insight into why things go slow. And okay, yeah, the thing, I guess the big takeaway, well, first of all, I love that

they've done this. And you know, and it's a very, it's a very basic, you know, you have there's no split, so you got a wallet, and it works. And it's a very simple process. And, and I'm amazed. And so now they're going to look and see how their, how their customers interact with as they use it at all. But just as you know, we've always had the chicken and the egg problem of what are the new features, the apps have to

support them? The hosting companies, and this was one of Alberto's points is like, well, you know, with chapters four, certainly in the beginning, 99.9% of all of his customers be like, oh, cool, I did chapters, and I put my chapters in here, is that great, but where are they on Spotify? You know, so they, so they have this very long adoption and educational

phase. And I'm sure all the hosting companies have this. And it's kind of fun, because now I see that all of a sudden, a lot of the podcasts on the host that, you know, that I guess, I listened to podcast that are across all the hosts, but now I'm hearing ad insertions. Seems like you know that that was kind of a thing that everyone's working on for maybe 18 months. And now I hear dynamic ads on blueberry, you have the mid

rolls that Buzzsprout is doing is very interesting. So that that's kind of their, I guess their CO competitive wave that they're doing things and now I think we're seeing this move towards the 2.0 features. And, you know, it's, it's always been slow with podcasting, but I got a little more insight into the hosting end of it and how they have to deal with with driving adoption, really. I was having a conversation with somebody about this recently.

And I liked the way rss.com Did it and this was this was what So what I suggest to people privately Is that you, you know you can do, you can do a feature like this to one of, you know a few ways, I mean, two primary ways. You could say, Okay,

there's this thing. And we want to, we want to, we want to do this for our customers, we want to enable this feature, or this ability to do a thing, you could say, all right, value for value, we're going to do that, we are going to go grab some software, LM PE, or Alby, I think Abby's open source as well, you we're gonna go grab that we're gonna load up, we're gonna fire up a

node, we don't have any idea what we're doing. But we're gonna fire up a node, we're gonna stick, you know, run this software, and we're gonna start figuring out where to put wallets on your, you could do all you could do it that way. And take on a whole lot of liability potentially, for

things that you don't fully understand. Or you could do an integration with somebody like an AO B or some third party and get essentially, what could be maybe not as robust a solution, you may, there may be things you want to do in the future that you can't do without me. But at least what you've done is sort of a you've outsourced the responsibility for a thing that

you don't fully grasp to this other outfit. And that gives you a little bit of separation between between design and potential disaster. And it is an example of interrupts in its purest form as long as you use the open standards, just like RSS enables podcast index to work with curio caster with POD verse with fountain. And it works with any of the hosting companies feeds. Same thing with with the Lightning Network and payments. So much. Yeah, it's a beautiful thing. And that's what you're

not going to get into in a in a walled garden approach. And I think it just drives innovation. Look at us. Look at look at look at where we're at. People, you know, people with Spotify don't even know we exist. Some of the executives know. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, was what was that movie that Danny Kaye was in? Danny Kaye? The movie about the Egypt? Yeah, it was about the encyclopedia, cyclo P, the music, almost like, this is something from my childhood, and

I'm making myself a huge Boomer. By doing this. There was a movie was it the music man? Anyway, I have to find out what it was, there was a movie and, and it was this group of, of intellectuals and they were writing the history of music. And you're going by they were still kind of, they've been doing this for 10 years, and they were still an African tribal music. And then all of a sudden, they kind of get out and have a drink in the open and they they discover that jazz is

all around them. And, and that's kind of how I see what happens with these with these companies who are so hyper focused on what they're doing. And they don't see the jazz being played around them, which I think is a really good metaphor for podcasting. 2.0 We're like it is jazz. Everyone comes in. Boop, boop boop boo. And and sometimes it doesn't fit and you know, then just like, yeah, Yo, man, go smoke a J come back later, but you know what I mean? It's pennies. The five pennies is this

is this. That doesn't sound right. Well, it's it's about the Encyclopedia of music. Okay, I'll have to see. I mean, it hadn't made an impression on me somehow. When I was a kid, anyway. Yeah. Now, I like this and the interrupt there is, is, is perfect because it allows like, it allows people to experiment with some of these features in a way for their for their customers, or their for the benefit of their customers.

I mean, this stuff works. It's not like you're just sandboxing something and saying, you know, okay, well there's that early word but you're getting your play around with it. All right, you know this this actually works and you and for those customers who want to give it a go, they can that is but it's a very little risk to their primary business and time sink. Although pocket running with scissors sometimes sometimes

effects my actual business. Man, I screwed up the RSS feed on no agenda so bad yesterday. Tell me what happened because I didn't follow. Okay, the first obvious issue is I have this caching thing, which is just killing me is just killing me i because of the cache, you know, I have to guess and wait well, maybe 15 minutes before I send a pod ping and so If you're doing that you're trying to do a lit pod ping. And you know, oh shit, I've already

started the show. So it's a, it's an extra piece of work in the cockpit the pilot doesn't need. But I still want to do it. So anyway, so yesterday, yesterday, I was really sick, we did the show I'm done. And then in sovereign feed, which does all of this for me, somehow, instead of copy previous episode to make a new one, I just changed the old one. And I

didn't realize it until I published it. But once you publish your RSS feed, particularly if you've got caching stuff, and there's no quick like, Oh, let me swap it out. Those happen when you publish things, oh, man, and then and then yeah, so then I then I had to have curio caster retrieve the original feed, and I still had, I always save a

copy of my feet. So for that, I can restore that restored that but then, you know, then curio caster has to wait 15 minutes to break through the cat or sovereign fees to break through the cache. Okay, so I finally got the old feed now goes to the whole thing. I do it properly. I publish. It takes forever Of course, you know, pod but no one knows what's going on. Every app interprets that differently. So some people have a double A one

episode, the episodes are out of order. It has this different art on the right. I mean, it's a fucking mess. And we show actually, we show works. So wonder what we have in the index what it looks like. What do you mean? I didn't screw that one up. Now I'm saying I wonder how we interpreted Oh, did you check we I'm looking at it now we show. It should be right. It looks like everything is correct. Except the title for forcing it. 1472 is 1471.

No, no, it's reversed and see. The reverse in order. Says you're 71 only. Oh god, did I even do the be looking at the looking at the index? Did I not? Did I might not make it episodes. 1472. Oh, man, it's wrong in the fall. Oh my god. I see. And well, well, yay. So that's what I mean is like, shit happens. But oh, man. It's not so much that, you know, I can't you know, people are like, Hey, man, you messed

up. Okay, that's easy enough. But the amount of people who tell you hey, man, and the amount of tweets and emails and yeah, so anyway, my own fault. This is when things go when when disaster happens in the phone and the phone starts ringing off the hook. You know, what I usually say is okay. Would you like to stay on the phone and talk about this? Would you like me to go? And they'll say, Well, the same your choice.

Same thing with dog catcher every day. There's someone who says, hey, hey, I can't get get the no agenda show on dog catcher anymore. Yeah, but most people now i'd now I know what to say them. And I say hey, man, here's what's going on and say, oh, okay, I got you. Form Letter, your reply with no, it's not. It's not a form letter. Okay, but people say yeah, you know what, they never really did this or that. And so maybe it's

time to get a new app, but a lot. This is how dedicated people are to the apps. As find it hard to be dedicated to an app that's been abandoned. Like, I mean, it's I love sticking with apps clearly. I mean, I stuck with a bad version of pod paying until I beat me in the ass. But like, Well, Dave, I'm all I'm all about it. But I just I mean, how do you stick with an app that the developer has literally said, you know, I'm just not going to do this anymore. I still use freedom controller.

I couldn't resist. I didn't come here for this abuse. Just messing me the brother. Yeah, no, I just think it's time to move on from that app. Oh, yeah, definitely. But it's just, you know, just when it comes to, hey, we're just talking about software and how it all sucks and things break and it all depends on the people who are involved in it to make it work or not or care about pod pink cloud for a second. Yes, because this was the other disaster.

And it also leads to to another to an opportunity to hear so. But yeah, so piping a good explainer for the newbies on pod ping. Okay, yeah, so pod ping is. Pod ping is a notification system for podcast activity that rides on the hive blockchain. Hive is a public A blockchain is very fast, it's it puts a new block out every three seconds. So what we do is, or excuse me what, what piping does is when you, you can write a JSON blob to the

hive blockchain. And that JSON blob can contain URLs of podcasts feeds, and a reason and potentially a medium attached to them. So you can say, okay, no agenda show updated. And this is the reason why it updated. Here's an update. And you could say it's because it went live, or because the feed changed or blah, blah, blah, you put that on the blockchain. And then within you know, within seconds, everybody, it becomes public, and everybody can see no agenda changed, or whatever, you know,

the podcast is. So that's, that's the Quickie overview of the way of what pod pain does. And we so then you there's there's two components to it, you have what we call the hive writer, which writes the the pod pain, nobody notifications to the blockchain, then you have the hive watcher, which watches the blockchain to read the notifications as they come by block by block. And so we, the issue there is you have to have what are called hive posting keys, like you have to have

permission, in essence to write to the hive blockchain. And the permission that you get is through the delegation of their hive coin. That's, you know, their cryptocurrency. That which when you say permission, that's the technical version of permission, but anybody can can acquire that permission and write to the to the blockchain for this, correct? Yes. If they own coin, yes, if they get a stake if they can

stake owned coin. Yes. So in order that's, that's a, that's a roadblock or that's, that's a mental roadblock for for many, I'm sure. Yeah. And it was a practical roadblock to at first, because I still may be this way, for all I know, I mean, it's not easy to buy to buy hive coin to begin with. I mean, it was a cumbersome

process. And so we were like, well, the hive blockchain is is stable, and it's good for this purpose in but, I mean, the last thing we want to do is say, hey, blueberry, here's what you need to do this and pod things. Go buy you some hive is like that, no, no, that's just enough. And I don't want to get into pimp and cryptocurrencies on people, okay, is like not going to happen. So what we we took, we've created a thing called pod

bean dot cloud. And pumping out cloud is we do all of the posting to the blockchain to the hive blockchain in the background. And all you have to do is send a URL of your feed and a rate and potentially in the future a reason code, send a URL of your feed to piping dot cloud. And then we already have the staking and then all this stuff set up in the background with posting accounts. And we just write it to you to the blockchain on your behalf. It just takes all of the messy

cryptocurrency weirdness away from it. So that's the patreon dot cloud service with the with with the result being that that is a true history of what is updated in podcasting. And it has a lot of that detail. And of course, the pointer to each RSS feed. In that sense, it's an untapped resource, honestly, of historical stats, and yeah, all kinds of things. So so that's what poppin dot cloud is. And in its its consists of five servers, three in the United States, one in Australia, one in

Europe. They're globally there load balanced geo location load balance. So when you send a URL to the piping cloud service, it chooses the load the nearest server to it to you. And uses that. As its as its, as its point. It's just a web it's each server has two parts. It's a web server front end it's a binary just a single binary. And on the back end, it's it connects with the hive writer, Python script through a through zero MQ Z MQ, which is just an A an advanced socket architecture socket

service. Meaning like, you know, just like you saw any kind of Unix socket, or TCP socket, you can, it can set itself up is that but then it gives you the ability to do all kinds of fun stuff like many to one or one to many or queuing and oh, that sounds really fun. It's great. to try. And so anyway, that it's it's in essence, it's a fairly fairly simplistic system, you send a URL to the piping front end and the web server accepts it, sends

it through the zero MQ socket. Hive writer gets it writes it to the blockchain done. Well, the I have not touched the piping servers in a couple of months. And I don't really think about it. And what what we do in the index is if you are a host that supports pod ping, and sends pod pings, we don't pull you anymore, right? If so, that would be Buzzsprout rss.com. No pausing for you. transistor, Captivate pod serve just the whole point. get thrown

at Yes, exactly. And there's no there's more cast, cast a seriously simple podcasting plugin through cast dos as the Mars a lot. So, yeah, and we're eating our own dog food. There's like, Okay, well, this, we were saying that this is the way that things should work. So everybody stops polling. Well, I'm not just going to keep polling. I'm gonna I'm going to plant my flag. Yes. And how'd that work out? It blew up. It did not work. Yeah, no, no, it was working fine. I

guess. It was it was working fine for a long time. And because there's three servers in the US, what had happened was one of them, the hive writer had locked up and frozen. With a with a head frozen with a with an exception. He had raised an exception that did not crash the process. So the process was just sitting there stuck. And then about a few weeks later, another one did the same thing. But there's still one over here left, is this getting traffic? And since the front end, the web

server is still accepting URLs. Glad happily and just sticking them in the queue? Did you just have a huge queue? Yeah, the queues just like, you know, it has 50,000 feeds in it. No. Yeah, no, but but because pod things are still coming through to the chain. I didn't realize anything was wrong. I thought it was just raw, stink, things are still coming through because of that. 1/3 that third server, this being a troopers still

doing his job. And then, then Alberto and johnsburg sent me a message like, hey, you know, Spurlock stats are showing that. There's been a big drop off in rss.com feed updates in my house. That's weird America. And really, nobody's contacted me about it. In there, like we're trying to think figured out, maybe it's a caching issue. And I'm like, you know, of course, I didn't go out to eat down like yo, yo, yes. Caching shuffle. DNS DNS, obviously. Yeah,

it clearly DNS. I wasted my time. So then, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's probably then Alberto delays his pod things by like, two minutes. He's like, Nah, that's not it. Something's wrong. And I go hunting, and I find that it's frozen, and like, Oh, shoot. Okay. So I've been visiting. This is interesting. Let me just interject. I follow the pod ping stats bot, on podcast index dot social. And for weeks, I because for some reason, I'm like, the post count to me was just like a

metric. So this thing will scroll by him and like 3.1, post 3.3, you know, per minute, it's, I don't even know what it means post count is 20 704. And it says in parentheses, 3.1 posts per minute. And I always felt that that gave me some kind of impression of it's being used more. And for the past two, three weeks, I recall distinct like 22, five 2.1. That's much lower than a year. I don't even know what it means. But now, I just go to it right now. 5.1. So that's probably your cue is

getting getting. I mean, it's, I think that is are you looking at the chart? Like I know, I'm looking at I'm looking at the just the the the toots, the automated post. Yeah, the automated post. And I have a feeling that I could see that happening. I just didn't know what it was. Okay. It was probably processing less posts per minute, or is that just my perception? It doesn't matter. No, no, no, there's definitely less coming through for sure. Yeah,

absolutely. And that and that was the case. And but because there was some coming through. I did yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking at it here on these charts and that you can see the slowdown, because there was some coming through. I just it just didn't Register there's anything wrong. And so yeah, and I went for wasn't figured out what was wrong and look, I gotta fix this. But this has happened before I've seen it do this

before. And turns out I was way behind in in in the hive router has changed is changed hive libraries, it doesn't even use the same library anymore. Alex Gates has done a lot of work on it. And I was not current. So I'm like, I don't want to fool with this, but I gotta bite the bullet update these servers to the most current version. Dave, I'm going to tell you right now that my Windows

machine is about to crash. Oh, you can feel it coming. Yeah, it just did that whole thing again, that it did yesterday. Now okay, we made it back. Unfortunately, I didn't record everything that was a spectacular blue screen of death. Why don't you What do you want to hear about it? Why didn't you handle your system thread exception is what I wanted to discuss was unhandled because I didn't like handling it. But did you see what it is? NDIS dot

sis. Is this like a networking thing? Some networking resource? In India is I should know this sounds like something lame. India now that's a drive network driver. Interface Specification. Yes. network driver. Yeah. Well, what are they doing? What's the problem? I blame the road caster. Okay. Perfect. All right. You were talking about the broken pod pain cloud watcher? Oh, yeah. Yes, I was. Yeah, so the pug the so I had to upgrade it and get get to the newest version. And I'm like, Okay,

well, if I'm gonna do this, let's just go Docker. And so I've just put Docker did the full upgrade on on all five servers. Docker, latest Docker Hub image is running on the running hive rider. Alex helped me work through some networking issues. Docker is a little confusing sometimes. Because you your your Net ID, you have a net network, the Docker, the the private Docker network internal is not this is

yes, yes, I have. I have noticed this. It's very, it's very complicated for non non smart people. Like me, it's complicated even for from smart people. We got to fix it. He anticipated this issue. And we got it fixed. He had some environment variables we could say. So it's up and running. And now. So it in that problem is that problem was

solved. I'm keeping an eye on things and I'm gonna. But so as as going through this process of which I should have done a couple of months ago John Spurlock had sent a somebody had posted something on the podcast index and social the other day saying that, you know, why don't you make it once you put an endpoint on the API for people that have a rewrite key, so that they can send a pod pain through the API? And I think that's a fantastic idea. Yeah, it's a valid entry point, right?

Yeah. I mean, if you if you're a PA, if you have a publisher key, meaning you're a host, if you have a publisher level permission token, for the A for the podcast, index API, why not just make an endpoint where you can send the piping that way? Yeah. And you can do live, you know, you can say do a live piping through that. And I think that's a fantastic idea. And and, um, now that now that I've gone through the process and understand the reason why it will be great. Yes.

Yes. And, and I know how to, I can quickly get get that, that new duck, it's a duck arised version. What was odd is I've never really interacted with a Docker image like this. So typically, you think you know, when think Docker, you think of long running processes day and network like Damon's Oh, yeah, think of these things all the time. Yes, equally unclear to you do. And you think of server services. You can also interact

with it as a command line utility. So you can run something in a Docker, but call it like a command line, where it just spins up, does the thing and then exit exit? Oh, that's kind of cool. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And I didn't really, really big shell script. Very heavy ships. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And so that, I think I can

do that on the API side. And then, and then have a similar thing and that's Cool because that would let that would let us allow hosting companies to use the API which they already have keys for, to send live notifications. They can record they can short cut their, their, their travel their, their road to supporting live pod pings using something they're already familiar with. Was the API. Nice. This is now this is now firmly on the roadmap that was it is this is this a pimp?

This is pimp one. Okay, because I heard Sam Sethi had with Oberto, they had already claimed pimped to what what was pent one, whatever yours was they were doing pimp to whatever you got his pin one. Okay, this is okay, this is like GN us not Unix. This is a way they call those a regret regresses acronym or no the acronym contains itself. Yes what this is so pimp pimp one is the is the proposal is the pimp system. Okay, so then they are pimp two and

three. This is pin three. Okay. Podcast improvement movement. Proposal. No, no, no, I've got I've got it. I figured it out this week. It just hit me like a ton of bricks. It is the proposal to improve podcasting. Oh, perfect. Yeah, proposal to improve podcasting. Love it. Yep. This Yep. Okay, so pin three is now that do we have a pimp system? Not yet. Right. In my heart. I do. Okay. At heart, I'm a pimp. You're the Huggy Bear of podcasting development that you get there, right?

Yeah, so that's this, the fact that your computer blue screen today is the perfect accoutrement to the entire week of software disasters. I mean, it's just perfect. It has something to do with astrology, I'm convinced. Is a Venus in the orbit of Yeah. Do you know? What's a cold fan? He also he also boosts us from time to time. T does he behind the scheme's? No, no, no, no, no, I don't think so. No. Tarot cards. Oh, okay. Yeah, then that

must be blueberry blueberry. No, it's a cult fan. I will call not blueberry now a cold fan? No. And he sends my I love it when people draw my chart and they'll send it to me and like, and this and this and Uranus and Mars and Venus and Jupiter and the sun and your moon is in Leo moon. But they never say if it's good or bad. It sounds like this is what's happening. Like, well, that's great. Should I be worried about getting shots? Or

am I gonna win the lotto? And it's well, you know, I don't know, but depends on your point of view. I do feel that all computers are made of sand. Basically, Silica is silicon. So you know, there is not there are natural elements in them. And I've always felt that you know, that's manipulable by the vibrations of the of the user. Please note, I was bitching and saying I'm moving to Linux and then what is my machine do? Hello? You telling me it doesn't have a conscience?

Oh, yeah, it said it said Oh, yeah. lol really? Watch this. We've been getting a lot of live booster rounds. We run through a few. Based upon the crash I had floydian slips. 2222 Adam was a pioneer in the podcasting industry. You're going to miss his hair. He is survived by a slew of podcast co hosts co hosts and just as many wives fu floor the RIP pod father Dave should have held your hand tighter unfortunately no one we didn't catch that on the

recording. It was like a titanic moment as my blue screen had me slipping away. You dropped in you dropped into the into the ravine three is not getting hold you 3000 from Sakai, the horse. Adam and Dave after a year of listening to this podcast, I decided to get a new podcast app join the funnest since the Toshi thank you for your guys hard work keeping the podcast free and open everyone there you go brand new. Brand new SAT streamer. Thank you

took a year. I'm really bad at my job. Uh, Chris, you know 3000 plus one for raspy blitz so far, it's been quite smooth compared to that Umbral story. I can tell you my raspy bliss story if you want I've had upgrade issues with raspy blitz big time. Well, here we are Mike Newman 1010100 101,010 SATs binary boosts looking forward to trying out John Spurlock's thread dot land go podcast podcast Yeah, this is should we talk about that for a second?

Yeah, let's do it. I was had put it in the show notes. Yeah, I also had the show notes. I tried to get John on But I don't think he saw my, I don't think he saw my message to him in time. It was very late in the game, because I wanted to talk about it. I mean, I think I think this is fantastic. He's, he's essentially created a service, a headless service, if you want to call it that, where you can just go and get a prefix for your, your, for your feed

for your podcast. And then anytime you need, you can just throw a value on the end of that prefix. And it just auto generates a activity pub route URL for you to put into your into your items. Really, and, and it doesn't actually, I may be wrong. This is one of the reasons I want to get them in. But my understanding of the way that is worded is that it doesn't actually create the post, or no activity happens until the first comment.

Ah, wow, this I just, I just typed in a URL was like, holy crap that works nicely. Yeah. I think it I think it's just basically activity pub. objects on demand. Nice, which is kind of killer, Joe. I mean, I'm not sure anybody's done. I may be wrong, but I'm not sure anybody's done. Activity pub to this level of deinem dynamicity. Time dynamic bonus. Now I just tried to do our feed, will that not work because of a redirect? They should we if you get you gotta get the prefix. Did you

get the prefix? No, I just typed in the feed. And listen, man, I'm really good at breaking stuff. I just want everyone to understand that this is what I do. It is. Let me see. I mean, if you if you just go there to thread dot land and what is our what is our feed 26 is now what is our feed address? What does what feed addressing says find your podcast? I'll just find your podcasts. I'm gonna try this pod. Yeah, type in podcast. She does a search right there. Are you kidding me? Man, we

still do some amazing shit here. to Florida. What are you laughing? We build some amazing shit. Alright, so there's our prefix. Okay, I got that. And then what do I do for each episode? You want to enable comments and your RSS feed uses prefix and a unique suffix. So that would be I do like, PC two? Oh, 95. Right. Or not? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds that sounds great. And that's and it's and he says that's it? That's yeah, that's it. And it creates the activity pub object. When? When nothing when

the first reply happens. So should we use it for even though you usually do the thing on? Now let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah, let's use it for this one. I'd like that. Okay, so he says kind of important note. This service is still in development and doesn't actually work yet. So don't make any real feed changes. I'm making it available pre initial launch to engage engagements. I think it does work. I think he's just setting expectations.

Okay, so I have this prefix and then slash and then I do I'll just do 95 Just to make it simple. Okay, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah. All right, cool. Well, that that kind of solves everything, doesn't it? Or it solves a lot gets a lot of things started. And he says, if you're interested in using this service for your podcast, DM me on Twitter or Mastodon with your prefix URL above, and I'll add you to the early access list. Probably shouldn't better do that. Okay. Wait, does your no

let's go ahead and do it. Now. What is your disk prefix you show? Is it seven G O P six? LC Yes, sir. All right. I'm gonna send that to John as we speak. Okay. All right. We're getting we're getting connected here. Yeah, I mean, this is this is, this is dog food. We're gonna eat it. Say Hey, John. I'll continue with some of these boosts that came in while you're dictating your note. Yeah, as a C Brooklyn 111 to 5000 sharpening those scissors indeed. Thank you. Let's see we

have pre blueberry 17,776 Urgent this boost is racist. All right, thanks. Called acid 20,003 33 posts troubleshooting boost for 95. Yeah, these people are so nice to hanging while you're doing all that crap. Crimson deer 10,001 Breeze boosts This

is nice. Thank you all. Thank you fellows and ladies And there's hard hat with the with the testing 111 1111 And I think that's Oh no we had blueberry come in with a super row of ducks 22,222 st oh my goodness pay tar is a confirmed known goat slaughtering maniac oh I guess I guess it would yeah this is that you know those people are crazy blueberry and all these these these guys go nuts with their with their live shows he murdered approximately 15 goats and boosted the GIMP live

in the greenroom last week see this code here? Producers were doing drugs just to cope while Alex Jones was shouting yay in the background what a mess we're gonna need a black light boost get this cleaned up. So what there this is, from what I understand this is the this is the the bot they had set up so people could fire off their own. That heli pad sounds with a boost. I mean the idea is really cool. I like it a lot.

He clarified later and said that it has you can fire off sounds but it has to be approved sounds that they that yeah, they have to put it in beforehand. Sure that makes sense. Because I'm thinking if you want to go full on scissor nuts go you just drop it you say Okay, put a URL to an mp3 in your boost and that's where it gets triggered and dad is now I've had a sign I have some experience with this bar Friday.

Yeah, and and what I said what I had I was using early Dropbox I said hey, here's my Dropbox, just put something in there and then I'll play it which was great. Which was great until every single drop box I had was filled because of course I was like look here's these 15 Pink Floyd albums so if what you're gonna wear you're gonna have as you're gonna have someone firing it up and you're gonna have a 20 minute song running so yeah, that always works in very limited flavors.

Unlimited flavors Yeah, so that I love the I love the idea of here's what I like about this conceptually about what John did is very similar to what what Alex is doing with with no agenda tube and and what Andy layman is doing with with his vape with his podcasting 2.0 WordPress plugin and like the way Allah this this is what happens when you like it's one thing to have an idea we can all we all have ideas but that that doesn't mean yea have your idea but he put some meat on those

bones like actually make something that somebody can use that because if you don't and and brown brown of London with with with the highs with the highs, machine and like and pod pink, go don't just come up with an idea come up with an idea and then and then put some flesh on it. So that it's it's functional. Because that's the difference between Okay, let me compare the compare pod ping pong just take it taking popping and random ninja netlist, let's scrap that take social interact

tag and thread land. Compare that to something like pod Pass, which was developed as a home pod pass. Okay, yeah, pod pass, we've talked about before it was developed as a protocol, a protocol proposal for how to enter for how apps can do subscription can confirm that they're subscribed to a private feed. Or it can subscribe to a subscription level feed in in an open way. It's a nice, it's a nice design. It's pretty cool. It was proposed and a few years ago before the pandemic, but it

was just a spec sheet. Like it was just a spec as a spec protocol, right. There was never any software that showed it running, showed it doing what it was supposed to do. Allow people to hook into it and sandbox it and play with it. Like if you don't, this is why podcasts. This is another reason why podcasting has tended to stagnate is because lots of people have great ideas. But nobody's actually writing usable code that can help people get from the concept to the finished

product. Well, everybody's busy. I would say this is what hampers humanity in general Dave, everybody has great ideas. But it always comes down to execution. Yeah, true. And we've got to hate the ideas guy, you know? So we've got a lot of executioner's. I like it. We've got people podcasting. 2.0 executioner's. Hail the executioner's they. They absolutely execute. That's the same with what is that new art? Wasn't there some media RSS? No. Or was it the one with the math?

The one with the math. RSS. 3.00. Yeah. RSS 3.0. You bring your own. You have to have a slide rule and a copy of Wolfram Alpha to write a podcast feed. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I've mentioned that the other day. I don't think I've seen one of those in the wild yet either. You never will. That's yeah, that's the problem. You'll never see one of those things in the world. By the way. I'm gonna watch it tonight. Since Tina and I are both kind

of icky mood. Anyway, it is Danny Kaye a song is born. Oh, is the name of the movie it is. Danny Kaye Houma. I'm gonna second will that play with her gangster? Benny Goodman, the whale of Benny Goodmans clarinet. The whale I like to moan of Tommy Dorsey's trombone. I'm reading the titles. The shit they were saying the Mon the call of Louis Armstrong's

trumpet. Anyway, with their gangster boyfriend under investigation by the police, a nightclub singer hides out in a musical research institution staffed by bachelor professors. What could possibly go wrong? One of whom begins to fall for her. Yeah, that see. innuendo? No. Yes. In the 50s It's, it's it's borderline blackface movie this 19 That's no good. Yeah. 1948 48 I didn't realize Danny Kaye went back that far. I think so. Yeah. The 48. Yeah. You know, he's down. He

must have been young. He knows. Did you know he's dead? Yeah. He's buried in Danny case, too. I don't know. Kevin rook, have you been listening to his podcast? I started listening to. I've been on his podcast. I've listened to several of his episodes. And I recently went back and about halfway through the Paul E. Toy Interview. Interview. Yes, great interview. It really helped me understand Paul a little bit better. I think. Your view basically nothing changed. Their mission has

always been the same. They just stopped the non profitable podcasting stuff. Yeah, right. Honestly, that's, that's all that's what it was. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, he has a real company that does real stuff. And, and the entire sphinx chat and the and the integration, the interrupt we did was instrumental is one who is what got this all kickin, basically the the value for values.

And I guess I liked it, too, because he, he, he described his interaction with lightning, in, in a very sort of blue collar utilitarian way. He's like, he's like, wait, you know, all the things we've done with lightning have been purely in service of a mission of an of a larger goal, which was the stack work thing and that kind of thing? In it kind of relates back to what we were saying just a second ago with don't just have an idea.

Have some have some? Give it feet? Yeah. Because when you like, the same, our interaction with lightning is also very utilitarian and very blue collar. I mean, we need to get we need to get a job done. Yeah, we need to scream them SATs, we need to write those SATs everywhere. And it allows us to spray them. And that's, but I think I think that's a fine. I think that's a fine position to have. And it

may it makes a lot of sense for them. Because you're gonna go through phases where it's like, well, I mean, I am the job is not to be the you know, the champion of of a thing the job is to, is to improve the thing is to improve the thing in on in but on behalf of the larger goal.

And also, I mean, I apologize, we basically ran them into the ground on that, you know, when we broke we broke their self well, who will not there's not necessarily their software, but the concept of everybody gets their own node and you don't have to worry about your channel management. And that was impossible because it wasn't just here's the sat here sat there. 20 SATs for this. No, it's like boom booths, everything going on, and it was just too much. It was way too much.

Yeah, it broke that system. Yeah. Yeah, the distributed node model thing. Yeah. Yeah. But the reason I brought up Kevin Brooks because he had an interview with Christian Decker, that's a very good interview, because he talks about a lot of what brought it up, as Brian of London was mentioning a lot of things, a lot of problematic things with lighten lightnings frustrating things that he this week, that's worth going and listening to the interview, because he talks about, I mean, these are known

issues, the problem that fixes are in the works for one, one of the things is, is liquidity offers, and how you can just as part of, as part of the standard lightning gossip, you'll be able to, to announce the offer of liquidity. And that will be negotiated. Like, in in, in the software in the notes, software. And then you can just, you know, bring up bring up some liquidity when you need it without having to go through loop or pool or

any of these sort of liquidity service providers. Because that I think that's a real fear out there is that there's going to, you know, everything's gonna get concentrated in the hands of sort of these big liquidity providers. And this is a way to combat that. And it makes it more efficient to because you just always would have these offers floating around the

network for liquidity. And you just, you know, you, programmatically or Software wise negotiating the acceptance of an offer, and then you gotta channel and you may have somebody who's that, that allows small players to participate in that game as well, to offer liquidity instead of everybody just defaulting because you don't want you don't want somebody to become the YouTube of liquidity. You know, or the Google of lightning liquidity. You want it to be democratized.

And you want small, somebody that just has $1,000 on their, on their node, you want them to be able to also offer liquidity services at at cheaper rates as a competition to the big guys. Well, what's interesting is that many of these liquidity type services are brokered by centralized players. This is what lightning labs tried to do with pool which I never quite understood just never is it really which which interview wasn't Christian Decker Christian, is that an older one?

And those recent, recent, he's the guy from green light. Yeah, no block stream? Yeah, I'll have I'll have to look. It's not on this page yet. Okay. Well, you know, what I, first of all, the Lightning Network. There's so many private channels that we have no idea what's going on. And in its massive, massive, massive amount that's just for, for a traders moving shit back and forth real quick.

What I like about the Lightning Network is, you know, we have over 140 small channels connected to the podcast index node, and we route pretty efficiently for what we're doing. It's not, you know, people need to be able to get stats into their wallet, and to the podcaster. And because we're part of a hub system, there's many other players who provide provide connectivity and liquidity. You know, I, for some

reason, it doesn't, it's never felt. It's like the Internet to me, you know, it's like, do, we basically have our own public private network, where most of our shit traverses over our pipes, but it can go anywhere else, and anywhere anyone else can come in. I've never seen it as this network where everyone has to do a certain thing, or you have to have big liquidity. I don't know. It's just you and I could just have a channel

between us and just be sending stuff. That's kind of the appeal to me is I don't feel like I'm left out or I'm not a player because I don't have 100 Bitcoin on a channel. That feels the same way. Yeah, I feel the same way. I felt the entry points are small. Yeah. And. And, you know, the same holds true is what you were saying like lots of people like hey, man, you should do this with eath. Yeah. Oh, no. Hey, look, here's the spec. Go ahead and do it. Okay.

Crickets. They don't ever do it. No, they never never never do it. Hey, Brian Brown of London did it. He didn't. Nobody used him but he sure did. He sure did. So I mean, given give that guy all the kudos. Do you have any clips you want to play? Because I've seen these for a couple shows. Now. I've been dragging these guys don't bring them next week if you don't want to play? Yeah, they're bothering you.

Well, I just feel bad. They're in the well, you know, it's like the like little children drowning in this well for weeks. Probably nothing, nothing you want to know. Do you A hit the Volcker one. That's a fun one. Volcker. Oh, yeah. I mean, Paul is this Paul Volcker? Yeah. Paul Volcker. So So here's, you know, I've been reading this book, the former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. Yeah. former Fed chairman, former and he, in the end, he's talking about this

book in there. And what's the secrets of the temple is the name of this book. And it's written by Grider. William Greider, is that the guy's name? I'm gonna have to look this up. So great. Greater. Yeah. William greeter, I guess it says, the psyche died in 2019. It's an older book. I think it's from maybe the late 90s. But it's about the Volcker fed. And in during the Jimmy Carter, starting Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan era where he raised the interest rate to 20%.

Yes. And so. It it's a big book, let me I think it's like 800 pages. It's a myth. It's a monster. But it's a dip into it every night. I'm making my way through it. And it is. It is very, very good. It goes, he takes a super deep dive this he wrote for The Washington Post back when the Washington Post

actually did real journalism. He. So he dives into what happened to sort of kick off the 70s inflation problem, late 70s inflation problem, and then how it like step by step, the different people involved, how they came to power, what they did, all along the way to combat the problem. And hit this is what he's talking about in the clip. Yeah, well, a lot of times, they take it as a measure of their valor, of how much pain they're willing to inflict for the greater good and that kind

of thing. That's how they know they're doing the right thing, and how under Volker it was murder, how he forced a depression on the American people, which he did, it was the only way to defeat inflation which his predecessors had caused. And now here, he came in, to lick inflation. But that did mean bankruptcies all across the land by people who weren't guilty enough and but who just got caught up in the monetary policy of their overlords might as well be a million miles away.

And they kept statistics of how many bankruptcies, you know, personal and business, how many divorces how much foster care how much whatever statistics that you can measure. So, you know, church attendance or whatever, however, you measure social crises, they measure it at the Fed, they count those beans. And then they would say, you know, good for you, Jenkins, that you're willing to hang tough on this policy for another little while longer. Yeah, that's a real recession.

Yeah. And then they would, they would say, Okay, this is, this is how bad it's getting. And they would turn the turn the dials according to how much pain was going on in the economy less sick, absolutely sick. And then in the congratulatory note of, you know, well done. Job well done. Well, you know, so what we said, it's so moronic, the response we see now. First of all, word, and you know what, now, we've redefined the wiki, they literally redefined the technical definition of a recession on

Wikipedia and locked down the page. Are you serious? Yeah. Cuz it used to be to, you know, two negative quarters in a row of GDP, to negative growth. And, and so now that's changed to including all these other things, you know, it's not really that and then I just locked it down. You can't edit anymore. Oh, it's controversial. But But forget that we have the inflation Reduction Act. This is brilliant. This is the thing that mentioned, just signed on to

Oh, I saw this past today, right? Yeah. So it's $369 billion to reduce the inflation, you see. Because, yeah, sure. Because this will fix everything is like, okay, is the pain the pet? Yes, that pain of the 70s, which you probably don't remember any of that. That was born in 76. So I was a little younger, but, but I do distinctly here's what I distinctly remember from that era. I remember my dad having having job after job after job after job. He was. I mean, he could not keep a job for longer

than six months. It was just I was that his number that was that his drinking or was it the meth? Yeah, I mean it's like he went in he had to go to one company and he was he was a programmer. He would go to one company they would go bankrupt you go to another company they would they would down they would lay everybody off you get on it was just was like Tammy Tina grew up in Indiana Midwest and her dad now he was allowed singer which was a different different problem.

But know this about Tina and that's Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. All the girls know all the lyrics. And yeah, he had he had a band man he had like horns and everything, you know, kind of like KC and the Sunshine bamboo. No, no, he was he was he was swinger. The Tony Allen knees. But but you know, the steel mill close. Yeah, well, they laid off half the workforce. You know, it's like, Okay, goodbye, everybody. Then what do you do?

Well, what happens is everything becomes dirt poor and impoverished it in that I remember my dairy Indiana right there. Oh, that was bad. Yeah. And it's ground zero for some bad stuff. Yeah, I remember my dad went from he went from a involuntarily went from white collar blue collar. At one point, because he was, you know, he's a programmer. He's doing you know, in this, this was back during the days of IBM System 36. Pray this is the precursor today as for hundreds and mid

range, mainframe level stuff. So then he he just got laid off, could not find a programming job. Got in any sort of any way it started going hang a sheet rock. And then had a string of of those jobs until the economy began to recover a little bit. But I mean, if it goes bad, meaning it got to the point where he had to just find any job he could not be, you know, well, these days, and we're not there yet. We're not there yet. Oh, no, no, no, this it will be very interesting to see what happens.

But considering the the changes in attitude are, Gee, I don't know, first of all, you know, part of those problems came from leaving the gold standard than creating the petro dollar. Now the petro that when Petro was under attack, so it was the petro dollar. And we've just inflated the crap out of it. We just printed too much. And it's because of the thinking of modern monetary theory. Yes, yes. So that thinking wasn't around before. And now it's like, well, you can just print

whatever you want. And to some degree, it's true as long as you have money to start with as long as as long as you're in the in the right circles print as much as you want. We'll just get more on the way out. I mean, I would say modern monetary theory is not that much different than than just basic Keynesianism, but I think people were just too scared to do it before. Now. They're just now There they are. They're not scared. Now, it's just like,

Okay, go go, go, go go now. Like all the bets are off, and they're just they're just printing as fast as they can. Seems like it seems like it I've gotten an ISO I think it's pretty red. All right. See what this is here we go. How long is this gonna take? It's just so people can just have random ringtones we just seemed appropriate for this week.

No kidding. It's been an interesting one. Shall we software disaster week, shall we thanks some people who supported podcasting 2.0 And with that, I'm not talking about just this podcast but the entire project is a value for value project. It's open, anyone can join. The support and value you return is what is used directly for running all of our servers for keeping everything running smoothly for the liquidity on

the node. We have bills that we that we pay we don't pay ourselves but we are very happy to continue to a shepherd podcasting to a safer and doesn't sound right safer. I don't like it being safe said protect the protected future. A more protected future. Let's put it that way. Because there's a lot of people out there that want to screw it. You know, there's like going to get rid of RSS. And we can do it ourselves. Well, we're putting a force field around RSS that's the way to look at it we have

got some quite large pay bills. Oh, and this this. This should excite you. I'm excited about it. Right out of the gate. rss.com Send us $1,000 Whoa, holy crap. Shot Caller 20 blades on am Paula. There must be a note accompanied with this. I hope is there yes him as matter of fact there is a note. It says Adam and Dave, podcasting. 2.0 is changing the landscape. We're proud to help you and the whole team keep up Good work, flip this Fiat to SATs and boost away your friends at our ces.com.

You guys. Thank you so much. That's and you know, besides the the financial support thank you for, for all the implementation you've done and and for now you know the next step with with Alby and again Everyone should listen to Alberto's interview on this week's pod man. It's really good. Yeah, and that's queued up. I guess I gotta listen to that after this after the show. thing. Yeah, thank you guys.

Appreciate it for everything that y'all are doing. By Buzzsprout $500 I'm gonna give them a ball or two blades on the Impala interesting. I've always found that beautiful and fascinating to see the hosting industry of podcasting stepped to the play, and so appreciated. I don't know if you listen to new media show. Of course you listen to that to this to this week's episode. Yeah, I started they have a new opening. I heard that they got a new opening. Opening tune.

I heard that part. Sounded good. I thought I like it. I like it. Much shorter. Yeah, let's just get straight to it. Just good. Yeah, I was on I didn't it wasn't something I should hear. No, they were just talking about. About us. Of course. Everyone's talking about us, Dave. It's like we were the were the belle of the ball right now. Enjoy it because it never lasts. It doesn't last. We're gonna be we're gonna be the dog houses. Oh, yeah. It's those guys suck. But they taught you know, Todd

instructed his his staff to go listen to our show. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah, he told me he's like, he's like, Y'all gotta go listen to the show. He could get this is like, it's not safe for work, Todd. People like hey, man, I'm triggered by what I heard those guys talking about? I don't know. Yes. HR problem. And so he said, he said when once they they went listen to the show, he said he asked him in the in a meeting, like, Okay,

what do you what are your thoughts about to show? And he said, everyone on the first thing they said was, man is long. Really? This is nothing? Really? Would you quit? I mean, that's what she said. But you want to say, but then, but is the show too long. We tighten this thing up? No. I don't buy into that. You know, too long, too short. Whatever. You hear. Okay. It's too long. Then do double speed. Yeah, there you go. They get one and a half. 111 point. 5x.

Yeah. I don't know. It's, it's too long for busy developers, I guess. Maybe so. Okay, fountain labs. $200. Nice. You're in his friends. Thanks, guys. Thank you very much, then not just giving SATs back to all of their users. They're sending Fiat fun coupons to the project. appreciate them. Thank thank you guys. And John Spurlock came in with $100 this week. Thank you, John. Thank you, John. delivers code and treasure. He says appreciate you guys pushing open podcasting forward

kicking and screaming. It's going to be an exciting year ahead. See you all in Dallas next month. Yeah, looking forward to it. Yeah, looking forward to it. I can't wait to meet you. Thank you for that. Appreciate that. And we've got some boosts now right boost. Boost go there reading George Orwell's 11111 through fountain and he says thanks for the value. You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah. Get Auburn citadel. sent us. 49,490 is what he normally does. He says JCD boost you gotta boost boost boost.

Be mozzie brand mozzie says oh, a gargantuan dinosaur says row of dogs. 222,222. Oh, nice. Thank you. Excellent. Through fountain and he says massive row of duct booths to bring my total sets over the marker for a T shirt at the current rates. apps you're in. You're in like Flynn. And thank you, everybody for hearing the call and appreciate it. It's really appreciated. That we are we've moved away from PayPal, we were pretty much exclusively PayPal in the beginning. And we moved

over to to Satoshis and booster grams. And you're upping the amounts to make it a little too evened it out and it's really appreciated. It's very cool to see. I mean, this was one of the things and like, will people be able to get out of the headspace of I'm sending 1000 SATs, you know and it's not really quite We need to keep the server running. And people have and that's also part of the devs. You know, putting Fiat amount in there. And it's, it's just beautiful to see it working.

And I love to. I love how it shows that this is not just tip money. This is real. These are real booths. I mean to 222 2222 I mean, what's the above 50? bucks? Or is that more than that? Isn't that? Isn't that 100 bucks? Is it? 100? No, I guess it is 100 is but what are we at now? 23. Yeah. Do to about 100 bucks. Okay, well, that's I mean, that's, that's real. That's real money. This is not this is not a toy. Well, also,

we don't ask for tips. This is what I've always said. You asked for tips, you're gonna get tips if you ask for support for value, and you leave that open and whatever that value is, is to be determined by the sender. This is what you get. Says it's 53 I'm sorry, it wasn't 100 bucks. $53.53. My mistake. He says, Thanks, Dara. Click requesting clarification on the SATs for T shirt conversion long ago was pegged at 40k BTC. Recently, Adam answered this question referencing the current price,

should it be weighted based on exchange? No, just you know, it's roughly $125 worth of SATs, whatever that adds up to just do your own accounting. It's fine. We're not we're not gonna get all. We're not gonna get too technical about that. I get time for that. Thank you, Brian. Appreciate Tim Apple sent us through fountains and as to 2222. And he says, after listening to the talk with Chris about activity, pub, and apps that provide comments and interaction. You guys forgot

about Casta pod, which is almost a mastodon instance. So true podcast. That's true. That's true. Did. That's that's a shame. We absolutely forgot about cast. But you know what, Ben, has not been pimping cast a pod very much and that? Well, no, they had to release pimps. While he was he did that whole quiz thing. So here's what it is. I know what it is. He's French. Is that the end of the sentence? Comma, semicolon? No, it's it's it's not a complaint. In fact,

it's a it is aspirational, inspirational, aspirational. The French, like many Europeans, they take a vacation. And when it comes to summer, they take six weeks, and they eff off. And they go through a lot and they and they do their things. And then you know, and now of course, this is the communist lifestyle. Which is incompatible with our capitalist pig agenda. But that's what it felt like to me. It's like, oh, because I

know the Netherlands is the same way. It's summer, man. I'm not gonna do too much and chill out a little bit. You know, what else is the communist lifestyle? Ship Breaking all the time? What happened this week and Greg collars? Yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Lots of bugs and things breaking this week. Now you're okay. So, James Crillon. 1024 SATs at Killa boost? He says to fountain he says looking forward to meet you both at Podcast Movement beers on me. All right, not literally. Looking forward to it.

Yes, I'm here James. Yes, and bears are on yo yo hell Callay bears and it's 50,000 SATs who found a nice a stacking SATs for cool cats. Much love for the intergalactic boombox podcast. Yes, thank you. 50k big ones. Thank you. Dr. Bronk sent 10 SAS but he had a interesting message I thought I would read he says Can the index plus V for V also work for books? We don't we don't see why not. Yeah, exactly. Now, how many SAS did he send? 10. whooshed droopy boost.

Dr. Bronk. Yes it can work for books but I may want to update set game there buddy. If you want the full answer up your SATs if you want to read the appendix bring in mere mortals podcast 22,222 SATs and through fountain he says Chris was so funny you're building up to an awesome episode 100 Anything I can do to help make it even better? Yeah, you can boost boost boost just boost boost boost Yeah. With that Chiron Chiron yes car. I love his value for value

podcast. It's Have you ever listened to that? I've not listened to it? No. So he listens to value for value podcast and a value wage how they do it. That's a great that's a great service picks and shovels. Yes. It's like a very very important podcast. Man now feel bad for not listening yet. You know what else makes me angry is I get my crontab set up with all my weekly donations to various shows. And your umbrellas. Yeah. Okay, so sorry be mozzie be mozzie came in again with 10k

Nice. He says agree with the with the 10k Boost reading limit. I thought we were doing 1,000k Yeah, but he thinks that should be 10 How you doing booster Oh, okay. At tip at today's rates 10k is less than $2.50. Where, whereas 1k is less than 25 cents. We are cheap. We are cheap horse. I mean, I just read a 10 set you have much more respect for yourself than I do. Brian. Oh, he did a follow up with the 5000

sat boosted father Maybe? Or maybe 5000 for $1 equivalent and 20k right that said lower is better to encourage adoption. Cowboy Hat smiley face. Okay. True. Sir. lurks a lot sinners 2222 through fountain at CES. Pew pew pew. Here's your here's your dopamine hit. Because V four v is dope. PS I'm a big fan of Jupiter broadcasting. So glad you brought Chris on for a chat. Pew pew mother bleep and pew and thanks for making. And thanks for making the future of podcasting. Exciting. With all

the 2.0 work. Love it all. No. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, man. 4242 from from pirate huddle. Through Felton. He says I'd like to pre reserve pimp 69 I gotta take on more sass. Yeah, I don't think you can just yeah, you got to do some good numerology Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a way nice attempt but weak. Pa pocket parley. sounds dirty? They say 500 says he says how do you guys get your boost across all the apps THANK YOU GUYS ARE thanks you guys are great. I'm not sure what it means.

Well, it was this from fountain Yeah, so a lot of people think that this only works on fountain Oh, okay. No, it works in lots of places pod friend cast thematic polyurea caster pod verse caster. Yeah, Breeze. Breeze. Yeah, it's a universal system. So it works everywhere. LB hope Yes. Hope that answers your question is 3333 says from Salvador syntax through fountain Nene says don't get on Tik Tok. Again, think that was a chastisement of me probably. I've never been on Tiktok just

just to be clear, never in my life. 50,000 SATs from user 360539555413. From that is the user also known as Todd Cochran. He says Todd Cochran here, gents, every show you guys put my brain to work. I'm always trying to think as a creator first. And as we educate creators on podcasting 2.0, they will drive adoption as they will drive companies like mine to adopt more integration. I'm committed to a faster integration in our PowerPress plugin in our platform as a

whole big news in about a month or so. And something we have cooking. Also, any dev wanting to submit code for podcast? 2.0 To PowerPress? drop me an email at [email protected]. Oh, that's cool. Great note right now from Todd. Thank you, Todd. Tina has a message for you, Todd. By the way, that that notion, I'm not saying this is what he's, I'm not saying that this is what he is saying. But, but I was thinking it's just on my mind, because I was thinking

about this yesterday. The idea that we need to wait until our customer says they want it before we do it. And again, I'm not saying that's what he's saying. But it can be interpreted that way. Yes, there are some of those things. I mean, like you can say, Okay, well, because, you know, and I speak from experience on this because I mean, in my day job, I'm responsible for a lot of things that end up being customer facing. You can wait for your customer to say it to

tell you they want it. And that is an important part of of the innovation of doing things for your customers and keeping them satisfied and happy customers. But there's also another aspect of sometimes you know, that they don't know that they want a thing. So you yes, and yes, Steve Jobs. Do you know what I mean? Of course, that's true. I mean, it's like I I can see that they would want this thing if they if they had it if it existed, but they don't know to want it.

What? Okay, so going back to what we were talking about the beginning of this very long episode. I'm just thinking of the blueberry Deb's is workers we have we have competition. And that's that is I'm telling I can see it. I'm my eyes are wide open, we have competition in the hosting space. And everybody's gotten a little a little a little jiggle. And like, Oh, hey, let's do some stuff. And so now it's it's partially based on what are other person's customers wanting or doing or

what are they providing for them. So now we're off to the races. This is fantastic. And of course, what will happen is the most requested features will be the ones that get implemented first. And I think we'll see very quickly where things fall out and what is completely, you know, just that has no adoption, but the competition and I mean, that friendly, because everyone competes one way or the other, but now we have a development competition, or competitive. Everyone's looking at each

other. And this is good. This is very, very healthy. This is the opposite of France. Just kidding. It's the communist lifestyle. I'm just kidding. Yeah, so and that's why people are busting ass in the middle of the summer in America. It's like hey, well, you gotta go build some new stuff. Yeah. See dubs 1010 says he says please change boost bought to wait please change boost dash I cannot read please change boost space bought to boost bought one word in the split.

Oh gee. Okay, I'm sorry. I didn't know anyone will get angry. This se doesn't have to be the creator of booze bought me take a look. I'll do it right now. Oh, that's what does it have to be boost. One word boost but one word and take space out. Okay. Consider a done. Marcel sent us 3000 SATs through fountain he says Chris and me. Thanks for the show. You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you

Chris for standing up with Chris last week. Yeah. Mike Dell, another blueberry longtime or he's sent us through fountain he sent us 1011 SAS he says I think I figured out how to send boosts Did you share dead ends as my boost asset SLC SLC I guess that's how you say that since 2000 Sask in the messages. Pew and pew back to you.

Mike Delson, another boost he's now he's getting he's got a fever now Yeah, once you It's like eating Oreos. You can't stop until you suck down the whole sleeve All right. Like you call it a sleeve that's a pretty good I learned that from Tina from my wife. She's like, Hey man, you want a sleeve of Oreos? Like what? This was back when we were first dating and you know she would still smoke weed with me that ended up in the marriage. You know, it's like okay, now you go over

there. Here's your garden Yes, right. Exactly. Mike Dell 2222 through family says thanks for the help with the V four v on auto hist auto History podcast. You're welcome Mike. Oh 4000 SATs from SC OTT also known as Scott a new found in he says H as h as well on the show evidence supported in a while so I have Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

SCO TT again 2000 Sassy says sorry about my last Miss message speech to text was on I thought I corrected before it was posted I think the epitome of where we are in a technological landscape is when you are sending a booster Graham through text to speech that's or speech to text I should say it that is I'll just stand back and appreciate yeah this is really showed for a moment so you just driving in the car you're like I'm gonna send these dudes message with some money a

just talk into your phone and it goes I mean come on. Magic 22 to 22 through from blueberry 22 to 23 found and he says oh my goodness. Peter is a ptr is a confirmed known oh you use it? This is you read this. This is the one we read. Yeah. Yeah, so we're the only one we're missing is the delimiter No, no, no, we got more than that. Interesting, maybe that was a duplicate because that

okay, light Lyceum sent us 12,340 faststats. He says could this be an appropriate symbolic number of Satoshis for your work? My wallet is soon empty so I have to generate an invoice and fund the wallet. But it didn't work at the moment. Dave, thanks for keeping the database in shape. Adam, how's it going with the manifesto? Oh, you can create a reference to the booster gram numerology page on GitHub. Martin, Linda Skog

Lyceum on podcast index dial Most definitely. Of course manifesto is coming last even a but the question is, has he been able to put the row of ducks? Was he doing a an update to the page and he crashed it. So going on with that page was going to debate? Yeah, the booths page. All right. Yes, of course. Okay, here we go. 206,677 SATs. Oh, from Brian of London in the hive Dao da Yes. Yep. Through the V four V app, he says Brian is back with a $50 boost. I'm gonna give him a podcast.

Thank you, Brian. He's finished. He's finished. You know, geo landing all over the all over the globe, I guess, in his yacht. Yeah. So he's done. He's back home now. Finally. I guess so he was I mean, he's posting pictures of Monaco and all this kind of stuff. I mean, do you get do you get the feeling that this is really his family's yacht? And he's just pretending like Nah, I'm just doing this thing. But he's like, he's probably like come in you know this from huge wealthy Israeli family.

He's He's the equivalent of of that woman from Seinfeld. The as this like, oh, yeah, an actress but she's really like a multimillionaire. Yeah, she's an heiress to the is like a coal or oil fortune or something like that. What's her name again? Now of course I can only think of her name is Elaine. Yeah, she was. Julia Louis Dreyfus. Yeah. Julia. Julia Louie Dreyfus. Oh, now. Her family's humongously rich from I think farms dealing. Now, are you serious? No. No,

but it's probably it's probably no good. Have food processor. There you go. They make your shit food. You. Yes. The Louie has the Louis Dreyfus group. They are ocean vessels. Yeah, yeah. Now they own Cargill. Believe me. These people are no good. They own Cargill. Yeah. Holy crap. Well, that bright bronze thing he's facing. He's facing poverty. Now. He's really a multimillionaire. He is obviously. Last limiter on the fame. Brian of London. He's the heir to a hummus. Fortune.

Yes, yes. comes through blogger 15,033 SAS through fountain and he says, How do you a Adam and Dave please with vodka on top. Invite your listeners to the podcast a boot. He's now Canadian. A boot AI narrated by silky voice of Gregory William Forsythe Forman from can't just type in your web browser or any podcast app. Ai dot cooking. Singularity is Near yo. We sure hope not yo back at you. Any singularity near with the funky software problems going on? Singularity may be

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page at the email address, and we'll set you up. And of course, if you want to support us with Unchained, or Fiat, go to podcast index.org down at the bottom Big Red donate button. It'll take you right there. And thank you again for supporting the open project that is podcasting. 2.0 and this and the board meeting, of course this fabulous podcast. I mean, clearly, we're too it's too long. We got obviously, obviously, we had a lot of important things to bitch about

like oh shit, not working, which is always important. At the end of the week for us to people we get I got more stuff I want to talk about next. I mean, I'll just push it to next week because it's probably needs big discussion, but I want to bring back I want to consider polls. In the namespace, just to fuck with Spotify? Yes. I'm really not on board with this. Really? No. I mean, it's not just for that reason, but I mean, I mocked polls and marked it. But now I'm really maybe useful. I

don't care about the polls themselves. I'm thinking the technology of it may be useful. Okay. So the typical, let's make some cool technology that no one needs. Yes. Well, I would like to do polling, but more like voting. If you if you do it with SATs, that work that I like. But what was your going too deep into it? What? I mean, does anyone on the podcast? Does anyone really want polling? I mean, you're you're excited about the idea. So I'm intrigued by why you're excited about the technology.

I was thinking hackathon. And that would get a screw it, let's do it. The the hackathon needs a way to vote. And so I was thinking, if you have I was trying to figure out how to make that happen. And if and I'm like, okay, all, not all the podcast 2.0 app support episode level splits yet. So what we could do is create a new podcast, a dummy podcast, so to speak, have everybody boost that podcast? In in a in some sort of

voting mechanism. And I started getting into this all this complexity, and I'm like, Well, what if we just put a poll or voting thing in? Webpage create the tag? Okay. Let's, let's keep it there. Let's stop there. Because the one important thing we need to do first is actually figure out how we do the hackathon. True, which seems to be just an idea, oh, is anyone going to jump up and take this hackathon by the horns and shepherded and lead it and coordinated?

I'm hoping if I keep talking about it, somebody will do it. Eventually, somebody will. This is something that someone could participate in. I mean, it's, there's excitement for it. We all want to do it. Nobody has time to organize it. Maybe there's someone is a part of the overall podcasting 2.0 community who would be interested in picking that up and running with it? How about that? Yeah, let's do this. I'm going to talk about hackathon and the

pimp system until some until people do it. I'm going to shame them. All right. I think the COVID has me now. Ready to end the show. I'm tired. You're about Yeah, I can hear it. I've lost. Like okay, that was it. That's the energy you got for me for today. Dave Have a great weekend. My brother. Yeah, man. Yeah, man can't wait to talk to you everybody else. Everyone listening live and in the chat room. Thank you very much. And

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