Episode 93: Motion of Positivity

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for July 15 2020, to Episode 93 motion of

positivity. Hey, now, we're back. Did you miss us QQ Fridays and once again for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 Everything happening at podcast index.org with the podcast standards namespace and of course, what's really happening in podcasting takes that social if you're not that yourself, even if you are, I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and not from Alabama, because you can call him the Florida man, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones.

I am I'm on I'm on location. Yeah, to get to yes. We just need a hurricane that would make it better get the hurricane sounds you know, we had a we had hurricane winds here the other day. In Texas. Yeah, we there was shit flying flying around the house. A tree came down block the driveway. It was really exciting. Holy cow. Yeah. Is is life and property. Okay. Now life and property is okay. But I was you know, I was just doing the post production with Devorah co no agenda and Tina

comes in because she was home from work. And she has his look on her face. Like, she's fine around trees down. I couldn't get the car through. And you left the meat out? To me. Yeah. Supposed to put it in the fridge and defrost. So that of course was the real problem is I left the meat out. I've got this. Okay, so I've got a great, I've got a great story about meat. Yeah, you know what the many relationship has started that way. But they were this story. Pay Attention everybody.

So a buddy of mine was like I did like amateur amateur filmmaking when Yeah, when he was young. So one time when he was a teenager. He they're making, they're making like a film like a slasher film. And so they needed they're gonna do this scene where you had to have where this the slasher was going to come out of the die jump out of the woods. And you and take a weedeater enlightened ran the weed eater into the chest of of, of the purse of the love that yeah, that's perfect. And then

bloods gonna go out everywhere. Yeah. So they needed like, a ton of fake blood is what he what he found out was like, if you put somehow if you put gasoline in the fake blood, then it would, it would like thin it out to the right consistency where it would fly. Anyway, somehow I already have a bad feeling about this story with the gasoline engine. So what could go wrong? They made up all this fake blood and then put put the gasoline in it like just a little bit of

gasoline. And then they had to keep it refrigerated in order to keep it from like sport, like spoiling because they had to make it with something I don't know, ketchup or something. sticks it in the fridge. And this is the sticks it in the same refrigerator that his dad had just bought, like, like $700 of meat. And so within 24 hours, all the meats and meat smelled like tastes like gasoline. No. Like yeah, it was like he had to like run away, you know, from getting beat to death.

So a couple of things. One, there's some kind of low hum going on on your end because yeah, I don't know. We don't have to figure out it's just I can just hear maybe y'all if there's areas and that's it. And I hear someone in the background just like some kind of intruder in the boardroom and it's just like just the third voice on the show. What's going on. Where are you Dave Jones? What's happening? I'm in Jacksonville, Florida at the Buzzsprout mothership. The headquarters

Oh, hey. Yes. How does Tom look in person as easy? As cute as I remember him? No much cuter, much more attractive than the photos. Thank you, Tom. How are you man? Good. How are you? I'm real good. It's actually kind of fortuitous that you're on the show with this. I'm sorry, in the boardroom with us today. Since there's been a kind of a hosting company like story out there. Ooh. Ooh, I like it. I like it.

I don't know. I don't think there's a kerfuffle i I've learned a lot of interesting information. Like what what have you What have you learned? What are you learning? Well, I learned that the dude who set up anchor really didn't know what podcasting 2.0 was really didn't really had no education. And so the learning was this curry, you idiot. Don't you remember what Silicon Valley is? like everyone's doing other things, and they're not, they're not paying attention to the

industry. They're the shit. They're going to do what they got to do. And when some, that's how you miss stuff. And this is as old as silica as big tech is when big tech was little tech. It's just what happens. I've got this. I don't think that he didn't know what podcasting to know, Dave yet. He had no idea what what we've been doing. No, I didn't know. I mean, if all of all the things and that's fine. I'm not blaming him for

it. We were talking about this earlier, Dave and I were just talking about like, this is Oh, wait a minute. You've had you've had a board meeting before the board meeting? No, no, no, no, definitely, definitely not. Not a board meeting. But we were just reminiscing because Dave, and I've, you know, been in the technology space for a long

time. But like, like the old days of CompuServe and AOL. And, you know, remember when they were trying to do the same kind of thing where they didn't want the web because the web, you could just get to it from anywhere except one exclusive content that you could only get on AOL. And they were trying to build like their own ability. Not even that, Tom, it was dangerous on that web. You don't want to go there. You want to stay away. Dave is dangerous.

Do not stay in our playground. It's so much safer. And I think there were sincere. That was that was truly AOL is kind of mission. I mean, there was you could get lots of you can get into some trouble on those. On those message boards on AOL. Yeah. But then people kept kept demanding for the for the cool stuff for the day. People always want the dangerous stuff. They always do it for a large enough section does for it to innovate and get better. It has to it has to

break out. And we should probably we should probably tell people what we're talking about. I don't know. I don't know if everybody knows exactly what we're talking about. Well, we are talking about the article from Mike. MiG mag Nano. What was the title of that article? Like? Are they get the pot pot the standards innovation dilemma or something like that? Or? I have to have a copy of it here. Yeah, I have it here. I can't. Oh, yeah. Here it is. Stands standards innovation paradox paradox. Yes.

That's it. That's it. The paradox. Yeah. That, so I'm not so sure that he I don't. I see. I hear what you're saying that. But But I also think some of that I'm not. Let me say this, I think I think Mike he makes some decent points. I just disagree with the fundamental premise premise that standards constrain you and prevent innovation. Because you are adhering to a standard. And if you innovate, you break the standard. That's

just not that's not the way standards work. The standard, the standard is what I had communicated on Twitter when I was talking to him a little bit. This, the standard is really the standard not really RSS, the standard is we're all going to use RSS, that's the standard, the format that we've agreed to use as RSS. And the format itself can be expanded, improved, innovated on very easily with zero breakage at

all. And that's what that's what's been happening. So to say that you cannot innovate, if you have a standard is that's, it's, it's not just wrong. It's demonstrably wrong is provably wrong, because we have been doing it. But let me let me give you a little background as to why the internet, I just feel like the internet was built on standard. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. Before we get into

standards, let me just make my case. Because cuz I don't know, everyone's talking about every single podcast has had this argument, or this this? You know, I think we can approach it from a different perspective. The first part is he is absolutely right when anchor was kind of transitioning, adding RSS becoming a free hosting platform. You know, maybe Spotify was sniffing around early I don't know exactly the timeline. But at that point in time, three to three years ago,

how many years ago? Do you know Tom? Oh, when did when did they really start offering three years ago, two or three years ago, okay. In the middle of the pandemic, or maybe right before, up until that point, there had been 10 years of stagnation. In the end you know it because Buzzsprout knows this blueberry

No, everybody knows this. rss.com There wasn't there was very little Innovation to do because of another dilemma which we have a name, which is namely, a big tech company adopted the standard and then decided they were not interested in or adopted the format and the standard and decided they were not interested in really innovating, and everyone was stuck. Because no one just said, Hey, you know, we're willing to admit now, everyone said everything, but nothing

happened. And we not. We had academies and boards and slack groups and all kinds of stuff, and nothing ever happened. So. So from his perspective, at that point, you know, he had a huge opportunity to bring all of that to Spotify, make some good money, which is fantastic. Which, of course, also set up the rest of the business, like, oh, you know, what's going on here, as people are exiting this is nice. Certainly, for some companies have been doing this for 10 or 15 years. And, and

that guy is completely focused on how do I make Spotify? You know, how do I integrate? And he's saying, Oh, this is finally this is great. You know, we've had 10 years of bullcrap, we're just gonna do it all. And you know, maybe we'll publish something out, it is not interested in that it just wants to do podcasting within Spotify. And then we crop up two years ago, I don't think we were on his radar for a very long time.

And, you know, this is also we're living in pandemic times, and lots of shits going on, I really don't think he was familiar at all with what we're doing, that there's 58 apps and services already using it. You know, he recognized that I think it was actually quite kind by saying, Hey, you haven't heard him on pod plan. It's like, no, seems like those guys have

traction. But if he knew, or here's part of the conversation that didn't come across, or in the article, that there are hundreds of 1000s of feeds that already declare the namespace there, I don't know 1000s 10s of 1000s. If you look at at least one, one namespace tag, they're offering the content. I mean, we've we've solved the biggest problem, we have the very nice

selection of hosting companies publishing this content. So the whole conversation is moot every argument he made his mood, because it's not about innovation, we've done the innovation. Why do you not take that innovation? Why are you reinventing that? Inside? So there's no paradox? The article is not just not honest. Because they're not innovating? Well, it's not honest. Because he didn't write it with the knowledge of what we're doing. I'm convinced I want to give him

that benefit of the doubt. I and you know, and, and he's playing corporate, he just he just got out. He's got some, you know, he's probably civilized stock or options, doesn't want to rock the boat. You know, the stock has already suppressed. He wants to be an angel investor. He's he talked like a VC. Yeah, that's the thing I took away from the article is that he taught this is an investor writing investor is an investor

writing investor, everything's not. And I think there's also, there's also an issue here of it would talk about this with Tom, is that I don't think people understand. I don't I don't think people understand open source. Now. And let me let me isn't that something you give $100,000 to and say checkmark? Yeah, right. Yeah. That's, like people use open source. I mean, every every podcast hosting company, is going to use Linux in some way every every hosting company is going to use, you

know, RSS in some way. I mean, it sounds silly to say that they don't understand open source. But what I mean, is they I don't think a lot of companies understand the participation within open source. They don't understand what the open source culture is like, No, I don't think they're companies are not run as open source companies. So that that's those are the those

are different things. Those are a difference. I mean, it's different to just use open source software in your stack somewhere, versus understanding the culture of what open source is. And that's, that's the thing that that's the thing that the podcasting people know project does that is different from other things like the RSS advisory board, and things like that is this is open source. We're not just developing a

standard. We're not just developing the namespace. We're also developing software, code, examples, the community all of the things that go around it, that's how you that's what open source. That's what an open source organization looks like. In lots, lots of companies, especially anchor I mean, anchor was started as a Silicon Valley startup. It was a standard Silicon Valley startup looking for an exit strategy. They just they were going to do quote unquote, social audio, just like

you know, clubhouse clubhouse and all that. Yeah, that's what it was. All the other examples Yeah, it was clubhouse before clubhouse and then they and then they pivoted into RSS to come upon podcast hosts and Spotify came along along and bought them. Their DNA is not in open source, no collaboration with the community, their DNA is in Silicon Valley investment. Correct. And I'm going to go with your assumption now that anchor will just probably close up shop eventually it'll become

the on ramp into Spotify. They will it'll be unlikely that they they publish anything back or that they tried to create a you know, some kind of new format standard cetera maybe that's in the in the planning somewhere. And I always laugh about all the this is gonna sound it's gonna sound shitty, i There's no other way to say it. Everybody's so fucking horny for money. That's why no one rocks the boat with companies like, like Spotify.

With podcasts index was started partially because of Spotify, and Apple and Amazon and Google deep platforming people and messing around with their API and giving it you know, and it was obvious, they, they, it's the typical Silicon Valley model. You do all the work, user generated content is what it used to be called, give us all that will make money out of it,

and you get nothing. And look at look at Spotify as a company. If you listen to we, I think we played those clips a long time ago, the Chief Technology Officer, she's really saying, Yeah, you should be lucky, we allow you on our platform, you should be paying us. And yeah, and you know, it's it's not just Spotify, it's the entire industry and legislation and a lot of gangsters involved in how little artists get paid. Spotify

doesn't care. And we all know, their whole strategy was, hey, let's get people listening to something else that we pay nothing for. Okay. So they do not value. Podcast content, they just don't value it. In fact, when people say, you know, how did Joe get there? Joe Rogan get that $200 million deal? Say, Well, that's easy. He did he never put his content on Spotify, and they just kept calling. You said, No, I'm not going to I don't want to be on Spotify. Why would I do that?

Individually, it gave him $200 million to go to Spotify. Yeah. Now, I just think it's this. It's the same story everywhere of companies trying to dominate a space trying to build a walled garden. So they can define the rules. Once they own the space, they can make the rules, anything they want. And so they try to convince us that things will be better if we let them

control everything. And that's just, it's just not true. We know from history in the internet was built from this place of recognizing, wait a minute, we grow better together through competing ideas, and having all this opportunity to be able to collaborate and define standards for which we can build upon and then build competing products that will eventually make everything in whatever area workings better. So here's my problem cast, everyone says that everyone

talks that way. But everyone did the Spotify integration, everybody did the YouTube integration. And you know what, you're gonna get a big fat middle finger from Spotify. Hey, thanks for integrating thanks for helping people get their content that we pay nothing for under our platform by that's literally what's gonna happen. And you know, and so, when I was laughing, I misinterpreted when I first heard it, my wife sent

me straight. But you know, James Cridland said something to the effect of, well, you know, because I posted and I did this with some thought, Spotify is the shit coin is the Bitcoin of podcasting. And, but I said, it was some thought, because if you look at Bitcoin, which has simply said, no CEO, no boss, is the same as RSS. And so everything else, every other thing that's developed in house that has a boss that has a CEO

and therefore probably doesn't have the longevity. Anyway, James's point was, you know, Adam, you know, he says, maybe the reason why Spotify has not been interested in podcasting. 2.0 is because, you know, I'm a dick, basically, and I kind of for a minute, I'm like, wow, how do I feel about that? And my wife had a little much softer interpretation. But it's important to say because, you know, you can't you cannot You cannot compromise with them. It's who they are. And they're

not bad people. That's just what they're going to do. And you watch with the downturn that's coming. This, you know, all the production money's gonna get a little tighter, that's when he's gonna get a little tighter. You know, their free money ride is kind of over. So there's really nothing to worry about. If anything, I'm super happy that Michael wrote this, this this post, because it's a tipping point for us. This is who was it on on on podcasting? Next is social who said this kind of

like a Barbra Streisand. You know, no one's supposed to know about podcasts, or no, but thanks. And then I hear like, a Streisand moment is Oh, yeah. And then I hear that, you know, for me, that's one of the top two pod podcasting kind of news and information podcast, new media show and pod land. And we're all over the place, the guy that you know, called value for value silly internet tokens. It has a whole boost to Graham corner. I mean, come on. I mean,

we're, it's we're having such success. And this just to me push a little bit further. And I would say thanks to the comments, or the the comment like threaded boosts on on fountain. That's how I can see this kind of new users coming online. Of course, the booths are all like one Satoshi. So you know, we're gonna have to limit that, by the way, because no, no, no, no, no, no, no, we have to limit that. But that's what you

get. And, you know, if you anyway, we've been through all that, I'm still doing my a b testing on how well I think that works or not, but it doesn't, it doesn't matter. And right now you're sitting with one of the people who has a lot of influence, you know, hosting companies have a lot of power. And Tom did, you know, have that much influence, you're sitting with the person?

Well, and what I mean is like, I don't think like, if you're, if you think that Buzzsprout, integrating with Spotify is that the option would be for Buzzsprout, to not integrate with Spotify. I don't, I don't think that would help. Because they just wouldn't both probably just would have a small portion of the of the podcasters. Whereas right now we have a community of podcasters that we

can influence. And we do through our programs like Buzz cast. And anytime that we have opportunities to be able to communicate about it's not good for one company to dominate the space. That's why we don't list our podcast, a buzz cast isn't on Spotify. But I don't think I don't think we exercise that kind of influence, where if we didn't submit podcasts to Spotify, that would help the industry as a whole. I

didn't mean it that way. There's a ton of two separate things. I think what you've done with namespace integration is very powerful. I mean, it's incredibly powerful. Therefore, I can say 100,000 podcast right over there. They've declared the namespace. And this was very powerful with someone I spoke to earlier this week, which I don't want to mention just yet, because we have a follow up phone call. But even Dave's been hinting at it. He's so jacked, aren't you, Dave? No, I'm

jacked. But, you know, I think that's a good strategy for Buzzsprout to have a positive impact for the podcasting community, which is to, hey, we're going to we're going to play the game. But we're also going to support these innovative tags that come out of podcasting 2.0, we're going to build tech around it to make it so that people are asking the question, well, why are my transcripts showing up in Spotify? When I've got them in

there? Or why are the the chapter images? Why aren't they pulling this out of the the stuff that we're providing? Exactly. That's very powerful. That's exactly what I mean, about the integration. What I mean is, what are you going to say, when Spotify comes to you and says, Okay, here's our API and has all these different things. And you will have to adjust your, your you your UX or UI so that people can put their polls in or

whatever it is. Are you going to do that? I mean, just from a business perspective, not from a philosophical perspective, but I mean, because because the answer should be yes. Well, this goes back to the this goes back to the thing that Mike wrote that he was, seems to they seem to be trying to say, which was that there's a paradox between having between adhering to a standard and he called it innovate innovation and adhering

to a standard. I think what he was really talking about was the paradox between adhering to a standard and making lots of money reionization, it's another line on the graph. Right as well, that's Silicon Valley speeder. That's Silicon Valley's bingo. We're very innovative. Oh, that sounds like Spensive. What do you want to talk about a real paradox? Here's, here's, here's one for you. How about the mark? How about the market share, to limitary paradox or maybe the market share knowledge

paradox. So, if you get in the way, this the way this is, is as you become larger, you become more disconnected from what your, what your customers actually desire. And you can see that with companies like Microsoft, they, if you just get my clips, I did. And I, I know if if the clip of that says, Sam, is from pod land. And it's a great clip, because I love what Sam said, Yeah, play that way.

The other thing that I thought was telling was that Mike didn't even have an awareness of the podcast index extension work until probably recently. And that's, that's more worrying, as well than people who maybe until Dave started tweeting, yeah, and, and this I've seen so often, you know, my wife used to

run MSN. And I was asked to go in to talk to some of the product marketing people at Microsoft at the time about web two dot O, they hadn't heard of half the companies that were doing, they didn't know some of this technology that was going on, that they formally really are involved in two things, spreadsheets, KPIs, user numbers, and share price, you know, that's probably one of their biggest things that they look at. And, you know, at the end of the day, they do become

very, very myopic to their own environment. And that's the sad thing about corporates, you very rarely look above the parapet and see around what else is innovating and what's going on. And clearly Spotfire doing that. Yeah, no, there you go. That's pretty much exactly how I feel about it. Yeah. I mean, if you think about the example that Sam used of Microsoft, Microsoft's ceased to innovate, because they

dominated. And so this innovation paradox that he's describing, well, if you dominate the space, you will cease to innovate, you know, you will innovate only enough to dominate. Once that's done, you will stop you will flatten out and no longer innovate. Yeah, and that you can see that from, think about Blackberry, and Blackberry get there get get, they went from a market domination standpoint, to virtually bankrupt within just two or three years after the

iPhone came out. There's this, there's this thing that happens where you see it, where a large company gets larger, they get more and more market share. It's not really the size of the company, it's really the market share, they get more and more market share. And they become more and more disconnected from what the real needs of their users are and what they're

really want. Because the inertia of just having so much market share, sort of insulates you from knowing from needing to know what your customers are, and what your customers desire, then at some point, a new competitor comes along, brings it in and innovates in a particular way that meets your customer's needs. And they rapidly shift from you to somebody else. And it's not because it's not because you

failed at that moment. It's because you failed for the previous year, all these years leading up to that moment, and somebody else came in and didn't have the blindness, they didn't have those market share blinders on. So, you know, I think that's what, that's one of the things I took away from this is, and I think James was trying to say something very similar is when you have 30% market share in some stats, I mean, not all that what both brass stats or Spotify 20s in the 20s, something like

that, when you have that level of market share. Rather than going it alone, and going proprietary. That's the time to turn outward and begin to communicate more with people outside of your bubble. Why get why why? Because then you begin to see what is actually going on in the community which people are adhering to, and then you don't run the risk of being of being subverted by a sudden competitor. Okay, launch hormones. Okay, so now we have to look at the other

side of this equation. Spotify believes they can monetize and finally have a profitable company by selling advertising that is yet to be proven by anybody as far as I'm concerned. I mean, really proven outside of YouTube, which is just not the same animal because the podcasters can and are splitting off their their, you know, their platform their audience. distribution, whatever you want to call it, to anyone who wants

to have it. So not having, I don't know, if there's, if there truly is a $1 billion industry, let's just call it that, that there's $1 billion running through podcast advertising, and 30% of that is consumed on Spotify, I guess it's going to be the same across the board, then, really, it's $300 million. Okay, so that's still wouldn't get them to break, even if they could grab 100% of 100% of the market share, or the full 30% of

the 100% of advertising money that's available. So, you know, are they going to fold it into Subscriptions, which seems like they might be doing that, although, you know, the first lead down for Joe Rogan audiences was I paid to be a subscriber and I get ads. The I, you know, programmatic ads, which are, I mean, look at Marcos post, where people are actually blaming him his app, because this is what you get

when you have platforms versus an app. You know, it's like, net, some some degree of users when they hear an ad inserted, whether it's unclear whether it was before the podcast plays during or whenever they believe that that is overcast, selling those ads. Which is mind blowing. And then, you know, and the industry that I've heard talking about this? Well, yes, you know, these are direct ad insertion companies that aren't they're not doing it, right. It's not a very good job. They

haven't really no, people fucking hate ads. Just be honest, people don't like ads, they don't like him. Now, if it's in the context, if you can make a value pitch to your audience, I'm going to play you a couple ads right now. Because, you know, that's how I get compensated for the work. I'm doing people's that they think about it, but somebody has just inserted No, I don't think you're gonna get that kind of understanding. So Spotify has a long road to go a long road to

go. And I think it's crazy. Is there an example of a company because I feel like this is a more recent phenomenon, right, where a company can lose money for years, as they search for a way to make money to find a monetization strategy. Thanks for that. Lou has the Silicon Valley model right there that is that is decent, right? Maybe. I wonder if Amazon was the first one to just lose money for you? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. I got it. I gotta count you there.

Amazon did not lose money. They always went to just about breakeven, they plowed everything back into development. That's why we have AWS and we have these types of services. That's why their stock eventually went to what is it 2000 Or something never, they never even bothered to split their stock. Now, the example you're looking for is one company. That company is Spotify. Now. It's Spotify. It's Netflix. All these companies have been running on cheap

money, which is about to go up another full percent. There's no overt Twitter to Twitter. 15 years of business, they still they still lose $10 million on a on a $1.2 billion revenue. These are not businesses. You can track Yeah, yeah, you did that said the phenomenon you're talking about Tom tracks perfectly with cheap with monetary expansion. Yeah, it's a monetary experience cheap. As as money has gotten cheaper. And you're you're right. I mean,

it's started. This whole phenomenon probably started in the around the time of the.com. Boom. And then we've just been money got cheaper and cheaper and cheaper. And there was more money and like money was so cheap, people just trying to find a way to give it away. You know, like, I just want I'll invest in 100 Different companies that if one of them plays pays off, fine, but I'm fine losing a billion dollars on every other company if this one makes 20

when I took my company public was way back in 96. Very small, but it was NASDAQ. So I've been through kind of what it's like to be on the inside right now at Spotify, people are depressed because people came on board they have an option strike price price, which may be 100 or $200 higher than their stock prices

today. And of course, just momentary, it's transitory don't worry about it will make you whole on the back end I've heard it all I've said it all the bean counters are in because they have to now start justifying towards their shareholders every quarter. Why it's not paying off yet. You know when when are we gonna get the big no, we love that Rogan stock boost but you know, it's all been downhill since then. And we're now below the IPO price. So or no, not below. Uh, you know, they're

getting down there. And so now they're gonna have to look at expenses. They have to cut people, they have to cut things that are expensive. I don't think they'll cut exclusive shows, I think that's all been built in for the for the long haul, but anchor, or just hosting millions of bullcrap that's going to be on the list. And I think they're gonna get shot, and then they're gonna see, oh, wait a minute, we could have used we could have had the same result, the same content,

only less of the crap. Without any of the hosting costs. If we had only done it this way. No one has successfully pulled this, this whole the whole thing off. And there's a reason for it. Yeah, I'll have the hosting the app. I have everything. I have the talent relations, I'll sell the ads. Yeah, perfect. That's one of the reasons I'm debt. Like, that's one. That's one of the reasons I'm down here at Buzzsprout. I

mean, they're like, six hours, six hours away from me. And I've been threatening to come down here and visit these guys forever. Because they're so close. But like, I just wanted to come check out their stuff. And it's just how many people work there. Really Dave, like a lot of people like I'm thinking there's gotta be 30 that working? Okay, there's only two people just Tom and Kevin. Yeah. And that's actually as Tom is Tom and Alba. And Kevin just shows up every now and then.

Do they have their own parking spots? Where their name on it? No. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Martin and Tom rode me out of here. Dynamite dynamite. Now that's it. But it's, it's cool to see, like to see a company. see companies like Buzzsprout and RSS and blueberry, that want to that, that, that have a business plan. That involves, you know, making making money on a product that people that people want, in

a sensible way. And that versus all of the bullcrap coming out of the cheap money Silicon Valley experiment, it's like, it's so refreshing to remember the commercial, I can't remember what it was for. But as a commercial and in the guy would say, he'd say, you know, we make money the old fashioned way we earn it. I feel like that's what Silicon Valley is missing, right? In the old days used to provide value, and then people pay you for the value that you brought. And that's how you set

your pricing. And that's how you establish a relationship. So when you look at something like an anchor, I'm like, how do you define that? Right? What do you Well, let me answer your question, Tom, let me let me ask you a question. Because anchor is not a business. It's not a business. You have a business, you and Kevin have a real business? Has your point is you're just if you don't want to answer it's fine.

But has your plan ever been? Or is it now to achieve world domination and host all podcasts? No, no, no, no. As a matter of fact. Please explain your reason. Please explain the reason for your answer. Yes or no world domination host them all? Or have a I mean, how about this? Do you plan on doubling or tripling or quadrupling? Is that in your basic plan?

No, we I wish. We work on about six week plans. So our plans aren't that elaborate, I would say this, what we want to do is we want to meet the value proposition that we're saying, which is we want to be the easiest, the best way for you to be able to host your podcast. But that doesn't mean that it's going to be the easiest and the best for everyone. Some people are going to want something different than what we offer. There'll be already already my and you already answered my

question. It's not it's it was a pure business philosophy. You said no, we want it and you answered it. No, we want to provide the best value, you use the value word in there, and then in my eyes glazed over, that was all I needed to hear. Because that is what you're doing. And you're doing that. And you're charging people you're saying, you know, here's here's the value. And this is what we expect back. When you give away stuff for free. You're never going to build any type of

quality. I've just, I've just seen it as your training here on a backdoor way to make money. And it drives me crazy. Because we see it all the time. Well, you know, I'm gonna drop Buzzsprout because I can switch to something for free. And then they'll say something about oh, but anchor is not responding to support. And you're like, well, because support costs money. So if we provide the value of giving you somebody on the other end of that email sagely can help you too.

So believe me when I say that, in the Spotify boardroom, what you just said there is not discussed. They do not know what they're doing. They don't know what they're getting into. The guy who actually nuke some of it is out. Excuse me. I think they're brought in kind of like Hollywood television executives

to build the business. No. And so, my plea to the podcasting world All right, let's just move on from this move on, they don't love you, they're never gonna love you, they're never gonna care about you, they will, they will woo you, they will court you, they do not care about you. We are the antithesis of these companies, until they decide that they'd like to play, then we could love them easily. And you could say to you're not the customer, you're not the one that they're catering to.

I'm not as How am I not the customer? For for a, for a company that's providing a service for free? That means you're not the customer? Because if you will, Oh, yeah. I understand what you're saying. Yes. Okay. So you have to ask the question, well, who is the customer? So when you go and you look at services in Spotify are or anchor, Facebook and Twitter and all these different companies that you have to ask yourself, if it's free, I'm really not the customer. Is the customer.

No one asked themselves this. I know, we've been saying this. For decades. No, we're not going to it's not going to happen. No, I'm telling. So and thank you, Dave, you and I forget the word you use. And you're going to tell me. The guy said, well, you'll never get critical mass, you know, it's never gonna happen. This was on Twitter exchange. And you said, we don't

need that to be successful. We don't all mean, all we need is enough, you know, small, whatever, it doesn't even matter what size, who understand the value proposition who understand how to, you know, if it's, it can be advertising base, that's fine. I prefer value for value. I think it works better, you make more money, you're happier, you have no stupid meetings, there's no compromise, there's no I mean, just a few things on my list. If you're worth your salt, you know, then you will

get people to support you. That's look at this, you're soaking in it, this project right here, it's worth it, people are supporting it. That's how it works. If you don't get support, your product is probably no good. And if you're not hearing people say, here's how I think you could make it better, here's how I could support you, et cetera, then you need to be doing something else. That, you know that success that we're having with less than 1% is a monumental consequence. For

the world. Things that podcasts are talking about are being distributed. It's mind virus people the concepts. These are moving from, from the you know, community Island to community or tribes interacting with each other. It's a complete new layer that's being built, it's no longer about being number one. And we can put this add on 10 million podcast or whatever, they think that it's going to be 50 million they want it well, I don't know what they want. That's not the future.

Podcast, the podcasts and 2.0 project had zero market share. Critical Mass is really irrelevant to adoption, the podcasting 2.0 market share at all. I mean, podcasts index, as as a member of the podcast in 2.0 community has a budget of like, you know, we are more profitable than Spotify. We are we've lost less money than Spotify. We are profitable, we are profit we don't pay for we have no employees, but we're profitable. But I mean, we we have zero market share, and the pot and

the podcasts and 2.0 project as a as an entity. And now to less than two years later, there's hundreds of 1000s of feeds using the namespace that what matters is not the only the only time that critical mass and domination matter is from is from a business monetary standpoint, if your object and your goal is to make something better, then you just make it better. People will see that it's better, and they will adopt it, or they won't.

And what's so beautiful up to them what's so beautiful on the app side of podcasting 2.0 Because I know I listened to all these interviews. And Oscar Mary and fountain have a very different idea of what they want to do. You can earn SATs, as you know, but Oscar, very similar to Mitch, they both started with Well, I wanted a better way to share clips, I wanted a better way to share podcasts to help discovery etc. And they both have come up with it entirely different ways of doing that

what they find important. I mean, these things are very personal. And people and you know, and that's why it's so so distributed. That you know like the dog catcher app not updated since 2018. People are like they're begging me. Please stop 2.0 I can't listen to your show in dog catcher. And it broke my heart Man, he broke my heart because I get it. And I really, really, really, really, really tried. And you know, it's just not possible what the guy is just whatever doesn't really

matter. So it's not all the same by default, the way the features are implemented, you know, there's so much room like value for value. I never can we discussed it, but I never really expected someone to set it up where I'm listening to a non 2.0 podcast, and I'm getting a set per minute that I can then spend

somebody I didn't come up with. I didn't think of that. You know, he's a great, I don't know, I mean, it's great for Oscar, it's great for everybody as far as I'm concerned, but it doesn't mean that you're going to have a pod verse or curio caster, or, you know, hello, antenna pod. Hello, hello, we love you. Welcome. Love, right? Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, and antenna pod, I know, a little bit of antenna pods.

Audience, I think it's a standard install on Linux, you know, there's, there's all these different types of It's art. It's just art and Buzzsprout has a brand has a feel has an art as they portrayed themselves, and you know what you're going to expect. So that's, that's what I love about it. No one really can ever have it all. Because we've learned very early on, you're going after this type of customer, they need a lot more hand holding this type of customer need a lot of

bandwidth. You know, this type of customers, you know, they're never, they're never gonna get past the test free tier, whatever. That's your business. And you know, the business plan requires having all of those customers or it requires domination or if it requires that, then it's just not a great plan. Like Silicon Valley plan. Yes, exactly. It's not I think if I think about every hosting company that we've had guests on the show, you guys, Castillo's, blueberry transistor, Captivate

every one of these. I mean, when we asked our assist icon, when we asked Castillo's, what your customers like, who, what what's your, what is your niche? What's your stake? They told us, they said, We're going after this type of customer. Yeah, we asked our sis.com they're going we're going after this type of customer, this is, this is our plan. Buzzsprout can tell you their plan. Everybody has a plan, except when you get to a certain scale, like Mike was talking about in the Silicon

Valley model. There's no plan anymore, the plan is just dominate, make as much money as possible and get the heck out of dodge exactly any kind of don't, you're gonna fail, right? Like if you don't, that's, that's the critical mass you're talking about. That's why they have to critical mass because there is no model that's going to work other than deliberately, but they haven't. But here's the here's, again, the thing, Apple is critical mass of something that makes no

money for them. Spotify as critical mass of something that is not profitable for them. You know, they couldn't they don't even publish the numbers. You know, they say, and, and just from a value proposition, you know, all the minute you sign the agreement with Spotify? Yes, please take my podcast. They already are taking everything they have about your audience. They have a whole bunch. They're not shared, not sharing that nice partners. You know, it's like sign this, you can do

nothing, we can do everything. You have to tell us about any ads, you're running, you know, we, and they're probably already monetizing to a very small degree. subscribers who get no ads who just listened to you literally gave money to Spotify. And they gave you nothing, not even a promise of something. So what's what's a positive spin? How do we turn with a positive? The pause my able to make? Am I able to make a board? Movement? Oh, yeah. How do we have a positive? How do we turn

this into a positive conversation? Right, like I hate, hate, just focusing on it because I there is like, like, I think you were kind of alluding to earlier, I think there is a positive that comes from this is a little bit of the shininess of Spotify as being like people are starting to smell Wait a minute, they said what, wait, they said that RSS is you know, dead that what they said, you know, so I think there is a positive that may be podcasters are going to start to see, wait a minute,

this isn't good for a company to say things like that. And there's something positive that comes out when people begin to be more selective in which where they're sending people to listen to their shows. That's one way of looking at it. I wish the motion was for positive emotion. No, no, I have positive I have positive and I wish no one ill at all. But the good news is within an X amount of time and I am not going to predict didn't, I can't but I'll

know when it's coming. And it may be sooner than we think. There will be no competition from Spotify and probably not much from Apple. It's just not in the cart or from anybody, they're all going to give up on it. There's history here. Certainly with RSS, there's there's just history here. Lots

of it. And I think that's a key, you know, because because we've seen, we've seen other companies try to take over RSS and Twitter, use Twitter use Twitter use to have RSS feeds, they used to have a very active developer community until they couldn't monetize it. So they said, Oh, thanks, developers, for helping us actually actually didn't like the hashtag was as important as the booster gram. That's a t shirt. The booster gram is as important as the hashtag. The new hashtag is booster gram,

okay, I can go on forever. The and then said, You know what, thanks, screw you we want to control we have to control the look and feel we have to control the experience. And look, and now look where they are. Look where they are. So they went kind of that route, like thanks for dropping RSS, we don't care about it. And they were publishing RSS, it was fantastic. I think a positive thing would be that it lights a fire under me to get the index into as many other places as possible.

Because if you have any, if you have multiple if you have multiple or one big entity out there trying to do a proprietary thing, to in order to control an industry, your best your best defense and your best counter to that is to be more open. Even more always, the answer is like it's like when you're all you have is an area when you all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. That the the answer to, to coming after system of systems, the answer to proprietary Enos is always more

open. And so if we can get the index, even even better, even freer, even more open, that is the way to do it. Because as more people put their podcast on something like anchor, and then they get and they don't enable an RSS feed. And then they go out and they try to listen to their podcast on some sort of Alexa device or something like that, and it doesn't show up. They're gonna wonder why. And the answer to that is, we need to put the index into all of those things. We need to put

them into smart speakers. We need to put them into cars, we need to put the index in place. I'm laughing at you. Why exact conversations we've had with people. Yes, yes, yeah, we put it in his car speakers, and you put it in smart speakers and you put it in another big podcast app? Yeah, all these things. I guess, I guess what I'm saying is, we don't have to worry about it, it doesn't matter. It'll take we don't have to pay it, you know, you're not

to be looking over your shoulder. They're not coming. It's not going to happen. They don't have the vision, they don't have the talent. They don't they don't understand the history. They don't understand open, they don't understand decentralized they don't understand that these types of decentralized systems are not designed to be centralized. So they're going to build a centralized system, and I'm really not worried about that they're running out of money.

All the data says no, I'm not worried. I do like, you know, something we've talked about is, you know, how we get more people aware of what what podcast index and podcasting 2.0 And we've talked about using language like, this is a podcast standard, and we kicked it off and that went nowhere. Tom, Dave and I were using that that terminology. And you kicked it off and it was we were talking about it we use it on the show I use it in the intro the podcast

standard. It has that podcast standard that name Yeah, it has no uptake. And I appreciate what you're saying and I'm gonna shut up in a minute but I haven't spoken to anyone for for two weeks. I missed I missed your life. You've missed a board meeting. Well, I didn't miss it. I was here. And then emotion emotionally Oh big time emotionally you longed for it. Yeah. Very emotional. Gosh, what are we talking about you about you talking about me? Language like podcasting?

Oh yeah, no, I remember Marketing Marketing Marketing Marketing here we go. I'm not convinced I'm willing to be couldn't be convinced. I'm not convinced podcasts. index.org matters. If anything. You know, I don't I think it should be a landing place. I don't want it. You know, that's what Apple was, oh, you know, one of the bad podcasts and got Apple, they'll tell you where to go that No, I think that everyone has their own marketing. Everyone has their own vision, as long as we

all adhere to the standard, as well. And, you know, it's like, I get all kinds of messages from app developers. Well, that guy's doing that that way. What do you think? You know, it's not for me to think we just try to facilitate and you know, if there's something that someone wants to do with an API call, there's no, there's no need for the marketing, look at what we've done with zero to negative marketing. We started with very negative marketing, because, you know, Oh, would you want freedom

of speech? I must be a bunch of white nationalists over there. You know, so negative, like Leo Laporte, we have negative marketing, and it's unstoppable. So and also, you have to have massive patience with these kinds of things. It's never this is what this is what I would try to accomplish only for the purpose of the the average podcast, you're not the hosts.

But think it drives me crazy. When I see people talking about like IRB, like they know, like, podcasters know what the IRB is, the IRB, I don't think is relevant to the majority of podcasters. And yet, they're aware that, oh, there's this standard, and it provides some type of credibility. And so they use this language. And what I want to do is I want to, I want to take advantage of whatever's driving that why is it the podcasters are aware of IAB standards and IB compliance?

How, how are they aware of that? And oh, I can tell you, I get them to start saying things like, oh, I want to use this host because they followed the podcast standards. Nowhere. You know what I mean, trying to build that kind of brand. Somehow IBM has done it. I wanted to be able to do it. Yeah, for one reason, ay ay b is in the money flow. If you if,

look how many people on the podcasters know that. I mean, I got a lot of people when people want to make money, they learn about value for value chapters is not value for value transcripts is not value for value. Money, value for value. That's what attracts people. That's what every single show was about every Podcast Movement, every podcast show, everything is about money. That's the number that's why I don't go I'm going this year because everyone says you got to

go. So Dave and I are going to do is you're going to speak and I'm gonna start off with 15 minutes. You're here to learn how you make money, how you can make a living out of this. Don't lie. That's why you're here. I have 14 minutes left to tell you and then Dave's going to explain all the groovy shit underneath and around it and the namespace, etc. That's the honest truth. That's why people know about Ay ay ay ay ay ay ay b. That's why

they know about Dai. That's why they know about LMNOP. It's all about money. That's why people are interested in Spotify. Oh, if I miss that, there's your SIOP right there. Whoa, Joe Rogan got 200 million, maybe I'll get discovered if my podcasts on Spotify. That's, that's dangerous to them, because people eventually will come back to if there's a really good advertising solution. People will migrate towards

that. I'm not sure I don't know anything about it. But when I hear Todd talking about what he does for blueberry and with people who want to make money during advertising, how he shepherds him through that seems like a very tiresome process, but that's his business. Others will do. You know, insertion.

And eventually, once we sort out the legalities of it and the or I should say the responsibility and liability hosting companies will start providing value for value services helipad will be integrated, you'll integrate into anyone's existing wallet. That's how the marketing works. That's what people care about money. Did you know that? And I learned this from Kevin, I think that people show up at Podcast Movement, and they've never podcasted before they show they buy tickets and go to Podcast

Movement. Because they launched they've never learned that because they're thinking about generalizing. I'm generalizing, obviously. Now I'm just saying that was an interesting thing to me. I didn't know that. Oh, that would spend that much money to go are wanting to make money podcasting. That's what they're wanting to do. That's their goal. But I thought it was very, very interesting that you have people willing to spend that

much money and go to that much length. No, I mean, I've never they've never even done it yet. I know lots of people who have gone to a ham radio convention to learn and to talk to people before they purchased their first rig or before they went into the course the testing that's the example right? It's like the ham radio. It's a hobby. It's something that they're excited about. They're interested in these people spend money on their hobbies. And I think that's

yeah. And I agree, I think that but again, I was generalizing, but I was responding to Tom's comment. You know, why do people know about IAB? Well, they know about it because they need to know how they can make money. And they need to know where they can make money. And, and I'm sure that once the hosting companies are comfortable with it, they will start integrating value for value services. And we'll be off to the races there will be no looking back. Except to see the trail of gold

doubloons pooping out of our butts of money. Here's here's your marketing. Hi, I'm Adam curry come make money that's the name of the that's the name of the talk. What come Sure, okay. All right. Yeah. Other stuff has happened besides just people writing and that was a big that was a big one. Do you want do you want to thank a few people and then continues? We've been getting a lot of boosted Graham's let me let me do the light. Sir Spencer 69 Six and I don't know about you all,

but I've never heard of IA D in my life. Rubery 10,000 is a six Satoshis never done a dog catcher before but I do one. Okay. We got the comedy crew out today. Dred Scott with a pair of one Oh, Nines cast peatland with a 3690 nice show. Chat F 33 333 Dred Scott 3334 He says no one set booths here. A 33,333 from Spencer death to the useless middlemen and suits Long live podcasting. 2.0 Spotify is a shit coin. Okay, it's going viral. We're stretching the message, lengthen the TLV there

13 337 From sup Yo sup? With a haxor boost. See Brooklyn see Brooklyn 112 Is that Carolyn Blaney? Was thinking I think 25,000 SATs Thank you. Ambitious. Episode 93. That's three times three divided by three. It's a sign. That's right. It means you have to be boosting. Exactly. And he did just that. Appreciate it. Dred Scott 5000 kick as we kicked off the show, here we go. He said Dred Scott was another 33,333 with a pre show boost metus 6543 Hey booster. And then Tom

Starkweather with 5000 Thank you for your courage. And I think that that gets us all the way to the end. We really appreciate that. And I would like to note that I heard this on pod land I guess somewhere there's a leaderboard of who was supported podcast the most and fountain and Nova forget who it was but someone had sent a booster gram to mo facts 1.7 million Satoshis nice and that and that basically made the news and made the news did it did it was like it was a separate item like holy crap.

Look at this, you know, that's unbelievable. And I want to say yes, in fact, we're running into a small problem where we you know, it used to be Hey, man, if someone's really popular open up a million sat channel. I mean, we got to open up two to 5 million sat channels with some people just the route ATAR gave us a 5 million said boost. Exactly. It took me about eight days to remaster rebalance and Helen a note in case you don't want to do that again.

Tim Tim fell off the bed I probably tried to balance he balanced probably some of it it was very now I will say I appreciate some of those like Citadel who in bitcoin cash is trash those two nodes of 10 million SATs opened us appreciate it because that's what I used to do the the balancing so that was in the end then they made money on that. They made money on that balance.

Oh, but but when I just I heard I heard Todd Cochran you're talking Rob Greenlee just going on about the lit tag and how cool it was and you know he's reading booster grams booster grams on the research Yes, I'm crying I'm at home I'm just tears rolling down my cheeks. I'm like, I can't just all happens. This all happens at the same time. Like we get this like big attention to 2.0 and then all my favorite all my favorite shows. You know the They're

doing booster grams is beautiful. I mean, it's take we're off, you know, just add more water. That's it. We're doing well. While we're doing well on the boost, we get zero pay pals. I just spent 10 years and $65 million of investors money at pod show and bvo. Literally, I have like one share in Lucite to show for it. Well, you know, it's like, and no success. I mean, it wasn't a matter of that we lost the money, but there's no success. And we just we just have success. I'm very proud of us.

Yeah, we get, we get zero pay pals, but we got I'm not proud of that unless we got a lot of boosts. We got a lot of boosts and Satoshis. And I'm very proud of it is my fault and went on vacation last week. And yeah, and that's crazy. What happens law. So I did want to remind everybody, and I'll probably do this as part of our talk, Dave, if you want to have a successful podcast, okay. People say what is the what is what should I really make sure I do?

Show up at the same time every week. Yeah. And we and we kind of broke that rule because we didn't prepare people. I don't think I certainly didn't. I didn't think about it and post and tweet about it not enough. And it breaks people. Yeah, it really does. It breaks there especially Fridays, you know, people just like Oh, what am I got? I've had with podcast like pod land. If, if that doesn't show up, and I don't know that, what the reason is? I'm out of sorts. Yeah, I hate to say it.

But it's my fault. It's my fault. Because it's No, it's not your fault. No, no, no, no, no, it's not because we did not. We didn't even on Friday, I didn't even know that we're gonna go on vacation then next week. No, we, you know, we decided over the weekend. And I'm like, oh, no, it's not. It's not a problem. I'm just saying, there's my advice. Always. It doesn't matter if you're doing and this gets broken all the time. Mo fax is notorious. I'm

like, you're really hurting the show. And he's got other stuff going on. It's like, okay, just, I'm just gonna say it every single time. If you can't do it on the same day, then it's just going to hurt. And it does. So. Anyway, there's my advice. And talk. Talk Id heard. Heard, Chef. Yes, thank you. But we did get lots of booths. Like, nice. We do need to have this discussion, though. I mean, like, there has to be a boost.

We're gonna have to implement some sort of limit because 1000 Satoshi caught off is my was my thinking. Is that okay, source Okay, from so from now on. 1000 That's gotta be the cut to be read on the show. I mean, the red doesn't mean that. And by the way, that doesn't mean that that we won't grab something that was really funny or whatever. That might have been a fountain comment or he knows it's not like we ignore it. There's like no agenda under $50. Now we literally just we

the whole show would be donation show. There's already a lot yeah, you know, that's why we made three and a half hours are in longer. Yeah. But people don't seem to mind once you set the the level we got elite boost from Sir lurks a lot. 1337 from fountain he says I strongly believe that there should be a concerted effort to bring open source developers into the value for

value Zeitgeist. That's a good word. Yes. In concert with in concert with teaching podcasters about the values of the open source ethos, free Libra open source software needs solutions to their own issues, finding ways to get value back for their often Herculean efforts for the community. I see this as all connected, closing the feedback circle and putting faith in your audience are users cosmic stuff, pew, pew, pew,

pew pew pew. I agree. And there was somebody the other day who posted on Twitter, and everyone can participate in this everyone who's who's listening, who's not a developer if you want to help out podcasting 2.0 When you see someone saying like, Hey, man, you know, these apps don't even have the basics. You know, it's just a non starter, they're not ready for primetime. So these are my favorite. This is my favorite. They suck.

Yeah, that's, that's, I've heard that one too. You know, what's, what's great is when you say, hey, you know what, I'm sure the developers would love to hear from you. And, you know, if you can, if you can figure out how to communicate with them. You might even get some stuff in there that you really want that you wanted. In addition, not just to fix but you know, something that that you you can have a direct pipeline into the software you're using. How fantastic is that?

Creators of things love to hear fear. Developers love to hear feedback. Yeah, and they even love it even more when you're not a jackass. Exactly, exactly. So So for instance, what does not work with me is I was I was just deciding how much to send you. But then you said this now I don't even know if I can send it at all. In an amazing that you caught them right at the moment of the shrine of trying to decide what how much to send. It's like I blew it, man. I'm so sorry.

Timing. Mary, Mary Oscar also known as Oscar Marius, and it's 20,000 SATs through fountain and he says, I love the idea of a podcasting. 2.0 hackathon. Yes, Tom? Would Buzzsprout support some sort of hackathon? Heck yeah. With it with a cash prize? Cash with a real revisit to the to the Buzzsprout mothership. Yeah, I do think we need a tighter window though. Like the idea of you know, I think cash prize man, I'm sorry, Tom, but I know you don't think opening up our offices and letting bad

idea bro bad idea. That will give him 30 minutes in a recording studio. Now, none of that's a good idea. Cash Money money. What do you what do you think would like, like, three months? I was thinking like a 90 day just seems saying Oh, don't really hold on? Hold on. Hold on. Let me think it depends on how tight we can we can come up with the requirements of whatever the hackathon is. What do you what do you think? What, what kind of my thought initially was okay.

Some kind of wide open thing that says it can be anything as long as it supports a podcasting 2.0 feature? Well, we can put together a prize package and here's what I'd say. I'll bet I can get a Texas slim top hand beef box. Nice. I'll bet I can get some CBD products. I'll bet me the whole we can just look to the people who already have great, great stuff that kind of circle around us and we'll just ask them to springboard.

They will want the bus prop bus. I bet I could get it. That's like one Satoshi. Man. How about a free year a free year. But you know what I think just the beef box by itself would probably be a draw. That's like a $275 Beef box. madeiros from Casitas will give you 30 minutes of personalized WordPress development advice. That's engeman Richardson from rss.com. We'll let you come over to his house and he'll grill out in his backyard for you. Are they texting you? What are you doing right now?

No, I'm just I'm brainstorming. They don't get any input on this. I just get to promise things and they have to do it. curdling will throw some shrimp on the barbie. Now you go. I know how much Australians hate that because they don't throw shrimp on the barbie. They hate it. Okay, we got to this idea is important. We got we got to do this. We got to flesh it out. Okay, so I will work on the gift box on the hacker box with some cash prizes. And then and I do agree with Tom, I think we

should have a tighter timeline. I think we should make Yeah. And when do we do it? You know, maybe near the end of the summer or obviously I think the depression will kick in probably around November. So maybe when winter is a winner when people who can't afford heat. You know, so that's a huddle by their mining machines. And there is the motion for positivity. Is that still gonna? No? Sorry.

Germans run out of Germans run out of Russian gas and December and we give them longer because their fingers are really cold. They will be able to tie very when the Prime Minister of Italy just resigned. So that's only the largest economy in the EU zone. I mean, what could possibly happen in the next couple of months? I don't see any issues at all. Okay, Todd from Northern Virginia. Not sure I know. Todd

is 11 se as a row 111 111. So 11,111 Breeze. He says love the hackathon idea as long as the participants are named Curry's kids, Adam camp. Oh, no. There you go. They know what am I talking about? It's so obvious. Okay. Besides the lovely Texas slim top hand beef box besides the CBD products I have, I have all kinds of great stuff. We got some challenge coins we'll throw in. But we will have the vote done by the podcast into 2.0 community with

a leaderboard. Where you donate, you push that your vote is your your Satoshis or your vote and put a hashtag it's some sort of hashtag in it or something so that gets automatically counted and updated on the leaderboard and there's and there's your your cat prize now and you just get the prize. The prize, of course, is brilliant. So think about that. Dad is killer curious kids right there. We'll call it the curious kid and little leaderboard curious kids not rude at all. Not ableist at

all. Okay, let's do that. I think that'll go fine with the white nationalists. Yeah, they'll go good. Yeah, I mean, that makes so much sense because projects that people want to support though. They'll boost those more and then you and then you get the prize. I like it. No, this this okay, that's beautiful. It's been it has been fleshed it is and now has fled. Now we have to send it through legal and we're good to go. Legal. Okay, done. I just approved it. Okay, I'm only kidding.

One nine. Yeah, true. That is kind of true. 1939 SAS from Carl. And Carl says we all know Dave is the man behind the curtain. That's right. Of course. He's lurking behind the curtain. Yes, da we think I'm doing anything on my notes. So I don't forget this. I'm just putting Curry's kids. See dubs send us 10,101 SATs through the command line nine. He says yeah, like a badass. It says what I was gonna say is that the CL CL. I asked for the CLI T app. This is

because I see that I see that one on the rundown. Like I haven't seen that. Yes, yes, totally. There must be some joker. Totally different. Yeah, I'm telling you. Someone's using it. Does have two different effects. Please help celebrate boost bots imminent. Boost bots imminent 1,000th Post Oh, okay. Please help celebrate the boost bots imminent 1000s post by boosting your favorite parts participating podcast or checking out social dot v for v dot dev at slash at boost bot.

And also boost bot now has leaderboards posted every morning powered by the cron O. V for v dot dev great domain name. I mean, check it out. It is a good domain name. Do you know the boost bot? The boost bot is I use is V number four v I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, that's right. V number four v dot Dev. There's all these boost bots and you can hook up your boost bot to your to your lightning node or wallet. In it when you get a boost. It'll post it on like Twitter or Mastodon or IRC chat.

It'll just post it everywhere. Like that's cool. Yeah. It's like a party. It's like a bonanza. Oh, I see. It's boost. See lit I got it as dangerous. Dangerous. Yeah, that's that's a different service altogether. No. It's a real service. Yeah, no, but it's for lit it's for lit. I know. I know. But it's funny. It's funny. It's funny that he says is this what they would name it? If only fans got into value for value? It's servo it's servo. Who did this fork? I don't know. I just

I thought it was going crazy. Am I Am I reading words myself now? No, that was real if I had to go I gotta make sure I wasn't crazy. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't mean to create and Chris Fisher from Jupiter broadcasting sent us 8888 SATs Nice. He's really been enjoying the show and the discussions recently thanks for trying out the road caster Adam has been valuable hearing your thoughts on it. Ah, okay. Quick road caster update boost. I love this box. It has

pretty much everything I want in it. Few buggies to be worked out. One there's certain circumstances when the USB particularly when you load in a show the USB may blip or something and then you can use lose the USB connection to your computer which might require a restart or maybe replugging that

kind of sucks. The pads I had expected that if you restore a show all the pads that you set up for that show would come back so you would have pads per show not just all pads all the time and you need processing on the pad channel otherwise A a plus.

So you can't save a preset of pans know that you can save a preset of pads but they the same pad preset goes with every show you save it doesn't switch so okay so even though you have a lot of you can tab between a whole bunch you have to now I have to now choose which ones I want to do because I can't fill up six or eight screens of eight pads. For just one show. I can have you know one or two for one show one for the next show etc

gotcha I'm on a road caster two right now. It's a very pretty everybody needs one I really and I don't get paid they've never spoken to me they've never listened to me. They don't give a shit about me made that clear, but it's a great I'm being honest. I love it. I can't wait to use it on the road. We're using it for Podcast Movement.

It's exciting it has it has it really except little things like a five band EQ etc, etc. They'll figure that out they update it with software floydian slips gave us 4567 SATs through fountain he says set vertising podcasting for value one idiots attempt at starting a value for value podcast. Yes. 15,000 SATs from Dave Jackson. Hey, podcast Hall of Famer. I should say I'm supposed to say

that sort of like Michael Jackson the King of Pop. Yeah, I'm required by legal to say Hall of Fame podcaster comma Dave Jackson. Thank you for the podcast network. masterclass. Go podcasting. Yo yo, oops whoa, wait. That's exactly what I'm talking about. I gotta sweep through all these different pads to get to the right one. Sorry. Let's see who got through there this much this much a tiny

things like test boost. Blueberry since 50,000 SATs Whoa, stick around after this coming Sunday service edition of NA to catch midnight mic of the hour big dumb mouth podcast. Join behind the schemes alive and lit. Hopefully we'll have a super cool super fresh, awesome debut of a new type of boost. It's gonna leave you jonesing for more now, this was this one that came in for meant for the previous show the board meeting that we didn't do, because I thought

they were I think they were on no after. No. Oh, maybe. Okay, good. No, this this came in July 15 attenuator. And so they've got some kind of new kind of boost. I don't understand what that mean. I'm very I'm all I'm excited. I'm excited. Yeah. Thank you, Barry. See fit 15,000 SATs from a boat. No, no, no, I got that one out. Order my bed. 54,321 SATs from Roy scheinfeld Yay. Yay. From breeze the breeze podcast app and breeze wallet. Go podcasting go podcast.

Thank you, Roy. Sorry, we ruined your weekend by not showing up. Roy got worried. Did he? Yeah, he thinks something's wrong. Is everyone okay? Is Dave Okay? Is that because you know you? You are on vacation so you weren't even posting? You know he's Mossad. So he's looking like holy shit, man. I don't see it. I don't see a digital footprint of Dave if that's the problem.

Let me let me contact his handler the flaw with this analogy though is he's he's Mossad and you're my handler that's the word stream Davis 5552 sets and he says there are direct flights to Bitcoin. Esther Damn, I guess. Okay. From where Austin? Is Utah metals? Well, he right now I think all those direct flights have all been canceled for the summer it's over the airline travel as you as you know what is ending? It's it's a complete disaster or court loan anywhere late, late

on time avoiding it time to according to totally. According to meters, the pads change per show for him. Okay, maybe there's an update that I haven't had installed yet. Sir Pete says 3000 SATs he says podcast podcasting Hackathon is a great idea. I have access to students sort of in my basement. Sort of. That's really creepy. Yeah, so it's not right. Okay. We're gonna we're gonna skip sir pizza. No, there. Thank you, sir. Pete. We look forward to meeting your students.

We look forward to having access to your students. know Matt. Joe sent us 2000 says they're found and then he says, Thanks, guys. Thank you. No magic. Thank you. Scott Sikora sent us 5150 SAS 5150 Nice. It's a Van Halen boost and he sent us a says a here it is to help you get your foot here is to help you get to your first million. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it boost. I'm not sure he's talking about first million though. I don't

know. Evil flow centers. 21 SATs with some fun emojis will thank you that's ending evil. whatever your name is that's ending. The free ride is over the free ride. Oh, okay, here we go. Do you have your Do you have your dude? Yeah. Big baller I'm straddling the pad Okay, Meachem was prime 222,222 sets shot caller 20 is blades on am Paula Nice. That's a that's like a hose of Doug's was rolling thank you that is that is nice.

So thank you guys for dragging podcasts into current year kicking and screaming it has made it very easy to set up Bitcoin streaming as well as give credit to the voice talent on my podcast, the smugglers log. That's a pretty good name for McCullers log. I like that. Yes, good. Yeah, that's a good one. Man, this. This sounds like a lame plug. Sorry. Regardless, I'm very grateful and encouraged. Not lame at all. Man. That's beautiful. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, Miss Brown.

Much appreciated. I think that was the winner for today. As far as big ballers go. Satoshi start stream sent us another one. He says, Hey guys, about Satoshi stream not displaying full amounts in boost messages shown in channels and live through the bot. The original teal dLv. Total is shown in the export the Excel file with charts and boosts per chapter. It's all real money. Cheers. Yeah, yeah. But of course, people just Yes. That's good to

know. And if you're doing it like if you're using heli pad, I certainly recommend exporting. Export is quite it's quite beautiful in how you kicked ass as it's really just roping you into complementing Oh, yeah, no. Well, you know what the thing is that heli pad is scurrying for features. I'll just keep saying it's an open project, you can submit your PR. I mean, it's anyone can add something to it, you could become the Darling hero of podcasters around the globe. Oh, thank you for adding me

to the hack hackathons. You go and say this with regards to Hill pad. Try not to submit a PR that completely changes the entire thing. Like try to just add features instead of like, an entire new UI. Oh, really much to review. Like I review the head. I'm just one dude. And like, it's, it's a little hard. So if you want to, if you want to do some sort of massive

rewrite, please. You know, by all means, get in touch but don't just submit it as a PR because I had no idea what's going on when you submit, you know, a a 150 file, do 25,000 line rewrite i happen often or is that just once? No, it happened once but it's just too much. As you see, Karen for the mere mortals podcast erode ducts 2222 through curio caster and he says, as you were mentioning leaderboards check

out WwM mere mortals podcast.com/supporter. If you want an example of what a what a schmick one can look like, there must be an Australian URL is mere mortals WWW dot mere mortals podcast.com/supporter. We update it once a month in our live monthly goals episode and include commentary such as who has moved up the most incentives to retire goals 100,000 sets and whether Peter will ever be dethroned. It's like horse race gambling but I'm not the one losing my money.

Well, there you are. cphr is holy crab. Looks like he's donated half a million Satoshis you Dave Jones quarter million. Then Stephen B. 100,000. Mary Oscar 40,000. Why am I not on this list? I feel like a shit. Oh, there I am. Oh, me. I'm gonna number 12 I'm lame. No, that's lame. Well, I'm Brian. I'm above Brian of London, so I feel good. That's all that matters as peatland, it's nice guys. 3690 SATs through fountain and he just says thanks. Thank you.

Thank you get two more we get 2222 for Macintosh through fountain he says hope you enjoyed the time. I wouldn't hope you enjoy the time off Dave. Great content is always go podcasting podcasting. In the last boost from unnamed user Ed fountain and he says gracias dinero for SATs. Oh man, thank you all so much for sending us the value. It is incredibly appreciated. We did seek anything else Well, a

couple of live booths. This is how the project works. We've been talking about it throughout most of the show was if you get any value from this from the project itself. Whatever your reason is, it's completely open. And we do appreciate it when you use the value for value model. You can also send us Fiat fun coupons go to podcast index.org. Scroll down at the bottom you can, there's a Pay Pal button to the big red donate button. But also, if you want that we have an on chain. Oh, I, you know, I

always forget to look at that. I'm so sorry. Tally coin, let's just check. Because there's rarely does anyone ever donate through the QR code after a lot of people ask for it. It's funny how that happens. It's not to tell me have you ever had a feature that like, people request or ask for ask for like a million times over? And then you implement it? And then nobody uses it? I'm sure we have. I've there's definitely features that we've rolled out because people think that they

want it. And then they just never use it. So you kind of bury it in the UI so that way? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Okay. There's some features that people ask for that you just like, and this is going to be a real pain in the butt. And I really don't think you want this that much. Yeah, like, Nah, we tend to hold the line pretty strong about building new

features. So if we don't think it's a good feature, we will, will usually tell them like, hey, this, we have a, our support team does a great job of communicating with podcasters. And they write in and they're like, Oh, we really want this feature. And we tell them like you can tell them our opinion about software. So this is why we're not going to build that feature, as opposed to other companies where they just say,

oh, you know, thank you for that request. And so sometimes we'll actually tell them, This is why we don't think that's a good idea, you know, to build that feature. But um, yeah, we push back usually pretty hard. Unless it's a good idea. And there was something I just want to remind you of day because I looked at it and I knew that you'd like to drip drip Scott put together a namespace chart. Yes, yes. One explain what that is.

Yeah, it's a chart of, of which hosting companies support which features I think, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's what it is. Yes. Oh, God. I don't know if I can find it this fast. I have it here. I have it here. The Well, no, I what I have is I have the link to hear it is just about you got it. Yeah, got it. Let's see. So it's a list of podcasts namespace supported elements of the 16 form. formalized assorted by

podcast app. There you go shows shows which apps support how many tags so this shows and hosts he has he has one with a host as well. Yeah, he did. Host also so pod verse supports nine pod friend eight tags, podcast addict, eight tags, curio caster eight. Podcast, Guru seven. I want to put this down show notes is beautiful. Yeah, it's really nice. And then hosts. There's just cast supports 10 different tags came out of nowhere. RSS blue eight cast pod eight Buzzsprout. Seven goes

is RSS blue. Where are they from? I don't, I'm not sure. But I'm reaching out to to the developer. See if we can have have him on. Dynamite and then our sis.com Six and fireside Six sounder.fm Five blueberry or PowerPress? Five. So yeah, it just goes down there. Castillo's four. Yeah, they're good. These are good charts. Yeah, really? Thank you for reminding me. I had forgotten to write that among those. So we should probably that's something for our for our talk. Yeah. Ooh, there

you go. Which I'll remind everybody we're paying nothing for. How about that? We're somehow we're riding off of Buzzsprout. No, good nature. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think they just put us in contact. When is our talk? Day when is our talk again? And you know the time? I do it's on the on the Wednesday the 23rd on the Wednesday okay.

It's the 24th 24th I think it's the first day is it like 1130 Todd and Rob asked me to join they have a panel on Friday on the on the main keynote stage which sounds like it'd be real impressive. Now no relation now that sorry. You're gonna be on the new media show. Is that the way to work? Yeah, I guess they're doing their streaming live. Maybe. I think they have a panel. So we'll have a couple of people on the panel.

And it goes till 1245 Which would delay the board meeting a little bit if that's okay. Yeah, that's cool. It's only acceptable it can I boost the new media show live. had Todd read the booster Graham from the stage? I will make that a requirement for my attendance. Consider it okay. So just just to make sure I Adam will attend only if Dave can boost live while it's taking place. And Todd reads the boost out loud. Yes. And I'm going to be in the audience. So I want to convey I

have to confirm. Yeah. And then he'll say it and then I'll look at you and then you confirm and then I will speak. Yes. And if he's, if he screws it up, we're gonna yank you on. Jeopardy. Just put a button just bag me bag over my head and yank me off the stage. You retracted. Good wardrobe. Thanks, ma'am. Yeah, thank you, Jim. The the other one thing I've been meaning to talk about is John Shijie. Soundbite Creator tool. He open sourced Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Tell me about this.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. So you can go through. And sound biter? Yes. Sound biter? Somebody? Yeah, it helps you create sound bites from your own episodes. So if you like self hosting, is what we call a very modern UI. Yes. Yes. It's very flat. Oh, excellent. Yeah, that was pretty all those things that help people self hosted self hosting is hard. for so many reasons. I mean, you

have to piece all this stuff together yourself. You don't get the benefits of all the you know, the work that hosting now has into this. He has something interesting here. Sound biters name and then Oh, is there a place for the sound? The person who was who did the soundbite soundbite or as he calls it? Is there a place for that person's node? Because he has little lightning thing here and says no dress? I don't remember seeing that. Is that part of the spec that you add into the soundbite that

includes a like a lightning address. I liked the idea. I like it too. I don't I'm not aware of that. The I see what is he doing here? Select an episode. Wow. This is this is quite good. I have to load the episode loading Nice. Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Okay, so at the start time, right and then move it over here. So at the end time duration test the sound bite. Oh, man. That's so simple. Yeah, that's very sweet. It's in the show notes. I had it there to talk about it. Very cool.

sound bite? No. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, now I think that the note he's referring to is no Jas No, no, no, no, no. If you're looking at this if you go to the sound bites sound biter website whatever he has on his GitHub yes unbelief underneath all the all the start time etc The sound biters name which is you know default Jonny sound biter, then the note address, which I presume is Johnny sound biters. No dress. Well, I like it. I have no idea how it works, but I

love it. It's beautiful. Yeah, he he worked on that for a long time. I don't want to hear but I'm keeping this up. I'm gonna I'm gonna play with this cool, man. Thank you. That's one of the this is the kind of interface Adam gravitates toward. Okay. Simple. Got it. Another thing we need to talk about is the potential for boosting. So Chris Fisher brought this up on in I want to have him on the show. I think he's, I think there's a lot of stuff we could talk about with him. He brought up boosting

private feeds. Because, like, what he said is so they have paid so they have like a subscription thing where you can become you get a private feed and all this stuff, and it doesn't have ads in it like a lot of people do. And so he's like, Well, I want to and he had some of his listeners, send him a note and say I want to be able to boost the private I want to be able to boost this feed. But he can't necessarily because the feeds aren't aren't public. So he's not sure how to how to do

that. What the value is the value for value block included in the private RSS feed? It's not because he's on I think his stuff is hosted on fireside so there's no value blocking the feed yet. So he was using the podcast index as the proxy for the value to get the value block.

I can see a lot of people who want this type of functionality going to the first hosting company that provides it I think that's the answer Dave but well, you know and as a private well it's private so we Yeah, but he's he's you thing, fireside, they're not private. It can be hidden but it's not private. It's not like it doesn't doesn't exist out there. You can if you know it, you can subscribe to it. Right. That's how that private works. Well, at some point the value block. No, not yet.

I mean, how else are we ingesting it? If it's if it's unless it's a publicly accessed private yet publicly accessible, we'll see we wouldn't be ingesting it. That's the thing is it would have to be manually added in the podcast app. And I'm sure that it should be in the feed. He has a feed problem. I don't know if we need to accommodate that. That's I mean, I can't I could

create a feed with curio caster. I mean, sovereign fees, face sovereign fees and hosts that private and not have it ingested. I'll get him on the show and he can help and he can tell us what he can tell. Yeah, we get him on the show. We talk about it. In the moment. We'll brainstorm Oh, you know what I forgot to do or monthlies prep. I just remember that. Good. We eat. Yes, we eat. Mark Graham $1 New Media. Little we eat very little.

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really good interview. Chris Cowan he interviewed him about no agenda tube and peer tube and everything. Cannabis Callen can't believe he didn't even text me and just say hey, I'm doing the show. He texted me he must not I know. We know who hates me. Everyone hates me. Jeffrey Rutherford. $5. Jeremy Cavanaugh $10 David Norman $25. Damon Castle, Jack 15 Derek J. Vickery. Good name $21 Paul Saltzman $22 $2.20. Jeremy Gertz $5. And Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. Thank

you all very, very much for supporting us once again. It's so appreciated. It's the only way it works. What office hours. Office hours is the name of the podcast? Well, there's only 8000 office hours. Let's Jupiter and do Office Hours Jupiter. Maybe it has the Jupiter colors. It looks when was it? Oh, July. It's now it's episode number seven. If that's announced it's in the in the index. chimney. Okay, office. I'll keep looking.

Yes. Number two is the second one on the list. Office hours by Chris Fisher. Oh, we'll see. That's what I was looking for office hours. Chris Fisher got it. Episode Seven. Podcasting is back. Fisher FIS H ER. Yeah. All right. Got it. Thank you all right. What do you think you got anything else? Who me? Yeah, you got any you got anything? I think you were you were the guys who have been having the meeting all

day and have all this stuff to talk about. See, this is what happens now you're out of material meeting and I've got plenty of material. I'm meeting involved tacos. Basically the extent of the meeting. No, I think prices you want you want to do it. Let's do a couple. So you brought all kinds of clips. I appreciate that. Yeah, you got money you got oh, I've got I've got this before you do the ISOs. Listen, check this out. Do a BMW connected drive and I want to I

don't want you to imagine okay. Well go ahead and play and then I'll explain what happened. Did you know that it is now possible to equip your BMW with additional features and functions over the years. Here is an example the BMW high beam assistant. It switches to high beam automatically press the button and you will see that you

can easily upgrade your BMW at the ConnectedDrive store. You are able to order the high beam assistant within five minutes your BMW will be upgraded the high beam assistant is just one

of many features that you can upgrade your BMW with. And there are more to come the the real upgrade you You, you can order through the dashboard did a web store, you can order an upgrade, like heated seats to your BMW and it will turn it on and we'll charge you a monthly subscription of $18 a month for heated seats. This is Tesla started this with the ridiculous pay more per month and then will will give you the extra speed and acceleration. So your car actually can go very fast, much

faster than then stock. But you have to subscribe to subscribe to to pay for that. This is well I mean, I get excoriated for but this is the great reset you will own nothing and you will like it and you will not own your your seat warmer you won't own your headlights. You know Tina, gotta own your headlights, whatever Tina got. So Tina got so sick of the Apple iPhone music app

starting whenever she connected or blue Bluetooth connects. So by the way, lots and lots of platforms have this thing, this problem. So she just like to delete it, delete it off my phone. And Apple's like Oh, you'll lose all your music, you would never you don't proof you don't own your music you don't own your books on on Amazon, they deleted 1984 Remember that? How I remember the irony of that Kindle.

Now, I'll tell you I recently got a new car. And the reason I got the new car is because they were the dealership kept calling me for months. They started back in October last year, just for months and months and months. I'm curry I'm gonna get you this car. This is the one you want. It's like it's a sexier version of that of the car you have. And because I've only had like a three year old car like 15,000 miles on it. Something like that

very low. They offered a $5,000 less than I paid for the car three years ago. So I'm like, Okay, I don't mind. I'm like, let's do this. And I'll say it's Mercedes. And by the way, it's hilarious as you know, Dave, because I got a text from Dan Benjamin who says, Hey, man, did you did you trade in your car? Yes, Dan, Benjamin got my hand me down. And I still want to know what he paid for it. I want to see I want to see the Marjo story. It's a real stories

to me. You know, he texted me and he said, Hey, did Adam just trade in a Mercedes? And I said, Well, I think he's got one but I don't know if he traded it in I mean, no, I he didn't say anything. And he was like, Seriously dude, this console I pull up the screen and it has a device listed in the Devices section says this is called pod father did you trade in a Mercedes last week? What are the odds? What are the buying Adams previous cars?

Beautiful story, Dan, I want to know how much you paid for it. Because you know, interesting probably don't you probably don't want to you could have sold it to him directly and maybe I would have sold it to him for the price. They were gonna give it to me for it. I mean, we could have cut those guys out of the deal. And that's not fair because I'd like the car dealer who really stuck with now the point is, so the new Mercedes has the new MBU x yeah. Mercedes Benz user experience. No God.

Now I decided even with the last car I had, that I was in, you know, I'm off the grid. I've got pie holes. I use graphene OS everything I can do to protect myself to some degree of run my own mail servers everything I tried to protect myself. So the car, I'm just gonna let it go. Because I learned three years ago. No, you can't turn off the cell phone unit that basically communicates with Mercedes Benz all the time. You can't buy it that way. They won't do it. They won't disable it. You know, it

may not even be that easy to say, Okay, I give up on it. I won't connect my phone. The MBU X is mind blowing. It really is especially it has tune in integrated, so you can listen to stations around the world, the whole thing is great. But in order to register your car, are you ready for it? And you register my car. So I had to get the old iPhone six because of course Mercedes Benz ABS not only do I not know if it will

run it's not going to run on my phone. And you know and so it gets the benefit as you can see what's going on with the car and you can start it remotely woohoo. This kind of stuff but it also shows the location of the car. And I'm like well that's interesting. And this very nice lady because you know you call it basically you get in the car and and You press a button Mercedes goes, Hi, welcome. Welcome to your new car. Let's get you set up as a real person. So um, it's a real

it's a nice to live first life. Oh yeah. And we started out giving your VIN number. And so I do my Victor Indian November Tango fi fi. And then she reads it back. And I'm like, holy crap. I said, Were you in aviation? Just yeah, helicopter. I said, okay, because I heard that read back. I'm like, you've got the voice. You've got the tone. So now, now we're talking. Now we're friends. If I'm chatting then and I'd said, you know, this is you know, I hate the tracking says, you know,

it's really interesting. to 50% of the calls I get are from husbands or wives sometimes both independently who say, is there a way that you can turn that off? So my husband can't see where I am? Yeah, and they don't they don't have a way for that. And so this is the world we're going into. I'm sorry. Once again, I broke the positive rule of the board meeting. Yeah, that's okay. Let me you know, you know, my fix for this.

I mean, you know, what metrics are you driving your truck to Podcast Movement? I drove. Oh, God, no. Oh, okay. This is where it breaks down. No, no, I did draw. No, I did drive to Jacksonville. To the bus brown with a truck ship with my son's 94 F 150. Oh, nice. I so my my fix for this whole conundrum is 65 Ford, is what I drive. My wife drives a 67 Ford, and my son drives and 94 the newest car we have is a 2012. So I'm stuck. I'm never I'm never

going beyond 2012 Well, ever. It's really I will I will I will literally ride I will create an apple cart. And an apple crate cart before I will drive a modern car that can track everything I do. Well, I'm glad that you're not going to be driving up to podcast move with me because you would hate the testicle massager. It's just you would not like it at all. How would you pay per month for that? Doesn't matter it's worth it. Give me Give me the ISO. Wow. Oh, I'm

sorry. We were we were I was so engrossed with our car stories here. Wow. Wow, I liked that one. That's pretty good. I'm gonna try the other one. It was a crazy day in a crazy week. Yeah, crazy day in a crazy week is what we got from rule fi. Roth. Yes. Yes, we listen to this, this is end of show makes. I don't think we can play the whole thing. I do want to sample it a bit. Because it's, here we go. doesn't really have a lot of lyrics. But it does kind of get

funky around here. And this is where it kind of starts to kick in and you're starting to get the idea. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm going to take it up a notch. I'm going to fast forward just a little bit into this part. This is where we get wild Dave. Ladies and gentlemen, Dave Jones on the synthesizer pitch podcast I added those. That's cool. roofie. Thank you. I want to put that I'll put it in. I'll put in the show notes. If he's, yep. Show I got more stuff we can

We Should we just do one more. One. I'd love to hear one more of your stuff. And then yeah, for a couple minutes. And then before we call it a day. Yeah. Tom's got a bail. Thanks for having me. Oh, Tom. Man, thank you so much. Thank you for taking care of my partner there. Thank you for getting him up and running on the show. And thank you as always me beer. Oh, that's what it was. Thank you for always being transparent and fun and really nice. And you're going to be at Podcast Movement, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Looking forward to get together in person beers on me. Sounds good folks. show guys. Thanks, Tom. Now that we're alone, does he really say all this good in person as it looks like? Yes. Now that now that we're alone, we can talk about the law, the social interact tag and how it was formalized this morning. Yes. Fantastic. I love that. Yes. Yeah. It's it's done is baked. It's ready to go. So this is which implementation that's the one that we're using social interact tag.

Yeah. And so, this is this is for you know, there was there was back and forth about this, whether whether this was meant for like social and commenting or whether this was for chat, or both. Right, like all of which for me is just a comment thread. That's how I view it. That's how I tag it on on the social when I link it in, right. And I think that's really where where it kind of landed

is. We could have put chat into this but at this point, I think I think it just makes more sense to have it as a separate tag. I'm agreement want to reference the chat. Yeah, or a separate attribute on the live item tag or something like that. So this is this is really but what this thing could do, and I I guess I should just go over it real quick. Let me pull it up. Hey, I'm sorry. Just to we didn't hit the delimiter on the booster gram. Something went wrong.

Oh, crap. You're right. And I know this because comics, your blogger just boosted 1533 saying you've forgotten to read my posts that Graham did he for real? Yes. But yeah, yeah. No, no, it's still up. But this is a great way to get an extra 15,000 says Good work. Good work. Bam. Hit it. All right. Come on. Yes. Call Mr. Bulger. 15,033 says I had I had skipped over it so it could put him as a delimiter and forgot to go back to oh, well discombobulated in this in this new

Yes, podcast booth. This new environment for you. I understand. I'm used to being locked in a small closet while I do the show with you. Let me introduce you to my students in this closet. How do you David Adam, do you know that by 2045 AI is expected to completely surpass human intelligence? Yeah, sure. Yeah. Anyways, please enter in web browser or any podcast app AI dot cooking, to listen to silky voice of Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent and UK talking about AI news. Yo,

show comics that blogger sorry about that, man. Thank you for reminding us. Yes, spot on. Sorry. That only really works once right? I can't do that again next week. Oh, no. You can continuously do it. It's fantastic. That what really works if you break people like you're no good. They'll they'll boost you back with nests. I am. It's like, it's like a cat. They love being abused. Oh, how is your capital? are you abusing them? Where they love them where they love you?

No, we really did. We had we actually had to get rid of them had. We had to turn it into an outside get. Oh, so it's still hanging around? Still your cat just outdoors? Yeah, it was hanging around for a few days. And I haven't seen in a while. Continuously barfed all over the house. It has something medically wrong with it. Yeah. And I really don't your dog was not happy. No, the dog hated this cat. Yeah. That's a dog loves cats. I'm sorry. That's too bad. So I will

pick up another. The, okay, where's this thing? Podcast, the social interact, there we go. socially interact. Okay, so I'll just I'll just go over it real quick for people who need the refresher. It's a social interact tag allows a podcaster to attach the URL of a root post of a comment thread to an episode. So basically, you're referencing a URL, or URI, excuse me URI that points to a place where a thread of comments

or a discussion is going to happen. That's that thread can either can be multiple different protocols, it can use activity pub, Twitter, right in a lightning comments, you know, if you're interacting with the fountain protocol. And that's it. It's pretty simple. There's a couple of other attributes that can be tacked on to that. But that's all that's required is just the protocol in the URL. Right. So this is this is not cross app comments by any

stretch of the imagination it is. Would that? Oh, it is? Yeah, yeah. So Well, the idea here is the reason is cross as it's the reason it's cross app comments is because when you reference the Oh, right, right, you bring it in? Yes. Okay. I understand. Yeah. Yeah. You can bring the posting into that, right. But posting is not is not necessarily automatic. Without you having an account on whatever social interact platform is designated.

Yeah, right. Yeah. So you could, for instance, if it was activity pub, and you post a route in the URI you post is from it points to a mastodon server post on a mastodon server. If the app itself knows how to speak activity pub, it could you can do all your interaction through the podcast app got it, but you don't have to you could just pull the content down and show the thread if you wanted to, or got it cool web you with you or something like that. Same with Twitter. You know, Twitter has

an API. If you want to do deep integration, you can do it. But otherwise you can just congratulations on your new new new baby. Oh, which tag numbers this? How many do we have now? 1717. These wonderful 17. Beautiful. So the, the name, the other part of this is the namespace, Phase Five is closed. As of today, now we're social interact was already good to go. We knew that thing was pretty much fully baked. The there's a couple more tags in Phase Five, the block

tag, we're still going back and forth. A little bit with Prof magic fingers. Oh, yeah. He's from France. Is he not? Yes. Right. Yeah. Still going back and forth a little bit with him too. Because he he's, he's struggling a little bit with whether or not he feels like the blog tag is working the way what is he? What's his service app system? To? Why did you ask me that? Because I'm your friend. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you, friend. Let's see now I'm gonna to run to their recording find him?

Because he's been commenting on the GitHub for a long time. Yeah, he's, he's a big morning. Yes, smart dude, clearly part of a podcast host. So he, I take his input very seriously. And I don't want to move as a podcast host. Okay. hosting company. I don't want to move forward with this without him saying that he feels comfortable with it. As though we may, we may have to push it to six on I don't know. But we'll see. We'll see that his main beef with the block tag is

he doesn't like the inversion. So the way it was was, like block, the way it's currently written is, is block everything. And then show a list of exclusions. So like, you can say podcast blog. Yes. Means blog, means I don't want to be listed anywhere. So that might be something like a private feed. Podcast blog, no means I don't want any anybody to blog. And that's the same as just not having the tag at all. So then you can then there's podcasts block? Yes. Which means blocks

everything and then there's an exclude. Right? So he would prefer to be podcast block and the list of those you want to block instead of the inverse. Right? Yeah. And so I can understand. I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. But I think we're kind of working on a compromise here. Because what I want this tag to be is a direct drop in replacement for the iTunes block tag at its base level. And in order to do that, you have to

have the inversion I gotcha. Yep, yep. Yeah. Okay, well, I approve working with your of your version. Thank you very much. Yeah, that's so we're we're good. I mean, the plot Phase Five will be you know, we'll try to finish that up. See what what else we can put into it? Maybe not maybe nothing. Social interact was big enough. And we may just open up phase six and go forward. Phase six brother. We haven't even hit two years. We're almost at two years, I think, aren't we? Yeah, I think in August

because we're I will all Yeah, cuz we have episode. I guess, technically episode 100 or 101. Do we ever we missed two. So the episode one, something like that. Hey, we got episode 100 Coming up everybody. That means you know what that means? That means you have to boost 100,000 Satoshis. Yes, right. Yes. That's how it works. These know you deserve it. You'll see that these numbers are really important in the value for value model. I mean,

we already know that. When you reach milestones, people like to celebrate that. I'm excited. Yeah, me too. Alright, Dave, we are heading back home tomorrow. Yeah, I'm spending night tonight and hotel now heading back the hotel by the way. Not a great experience. Oh, which hotel was this? Is the bus proud to put you in a shit hotel? I can't pay for this. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Clear. Claritin. Claritin. It's like the Sheraton but not really is the Claritin.

Not the Hilton. It's the built in Yeah, you'll love it. It doesn't say a word you love. Orange do does it say anywhere. No train noise or, or every room of Mini Suites doesn't say that. Because I've stayed at all those. None of that. It like I was just completely under renovation. There's just hanging up everywhere is so bad. So bad

I know what this feels like. Alright brother well Oh no, I'm sorry the Courtyard by Marriott I don't know where okay yeah that's kind of every room a Mini Suite okay yes the courtyard comes with vision yeah it's it's it's the sales salesman's hotel I've stayed in many of them many declared the this so the the next thing I'd like to actually not that bad you can kind of get a vibe off them but not if it's under construction then it's then it's a pit

Oh is definitely the best thing about this they have Starbucks in the lobby that's that's the only thing that's decent about this hotel so stay avoid the Courtyard Marriott in Jacksonville for the next three months until they finished renovations instead make sure you boost podcasting 2.0 you help out the entire ecosystem. Dave, my brother, thank you so much. Glad you were able to check in that's cool.

Yeah, man. Yeah. Appreciate Buzzsprout hanging it invited me down and do a beer and some lunch and it was fun. Yeah, and nice. Nice to have Tom on the show as well. And that's nice. They want to thank you for your hospitality boys and girls and Buzzsprout Alright, everybody in the chat room. Thank you very much for attending the board meeting once again. We will return next Friday. We promise as we continue to count down towards episode 100 See you next time here on podcasting 2.0.

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