Oh, podcasting 2.0 for June 3 2020, to Episode 88. We're hitting the hockey stick. Hello, everybody. time once again for your weekly board meeting. I know I'm sorry, we're working overtime a little bit late. But you know, we did bring the scotch. So, and some other accoutrements. This is where we talked about everything happening at podcast index.org the podcast standards and namespace and of course, we're
the real creative juices podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, your private chauffeur of the namespace roadmap my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones accoutrement. Yes, well, we're a fancy boardroom, you see, we have a cooter mom and I bought room. Did you notice instead of donuts we have course all Yes. With homage croissant avec homage. Hey, the show is lit.
This show is. This is so exciting. What just happened, which of course, anyone who's listened to the podcast has no idea what happened. And I don't know if we can ever recreate the excitement that we witnessed the fact that should have been recording I think about it. Yeah, the that was also first first test run of the live pod paying notification in detection in the web hook receiver. Wow, that is a horrible way to explain it. Take all the excitement and just suck every bit of it out.
What happened was, I started the live stream. And then I updated through sovereign feeds. I updated the podcast and 2.0 podcast feed. And I'm we're looking at the chat room. And all around the world. People got a ping on their phone that said, hey, podcasting 2.0 is live. You click opens up, you start listening and the chats right there. And we literally saw people just flow into the chat room one after another. It was that's that's what happened. That's what you just said.
Yeah. That's what I said in the most boring way possible. Now okay, so let me say, let me let me talk about it. Because definitely, the web hook is what Stephen put into sovereign feed. So that's what sovereign feeds is how you generate the feed these days. And so he put in the web hook feature, where when you generate the feed, you can say, Okay, send it to this server. And it sends the feed the XML for the podcast, feed, it sends it through a get request, or a post or whatever, do a post
request to the server that you chose. And then so what what I added this week in, Alex helped me get the Docker container, Hive writer set up. So I got that on the web hook receiver server, and this is just a cheap five bucks server. So I've got that on there. So then when they when the XML for the feed comes in, when you send it through sovereign feeds, it looks for pod for status. In the live item, it looks for the live
item, it looks for status equals live. And if he sees that attribute, it sends the live pod pink, so you don't have to do an extra step. It's Rube Goldberg, only. It's not with scotch tape. It's actually bolted together pretty solid. Yeah, amazing. We actually have bolts and nuts and, you know, like wrenches and stuff. I mean, this is actually turning into real tools here instead of just, you know, gaffer tape. No, I mean, like, I was holding my breath. But it's just straight
out word, I got the notification. So the cool part is you, you set up the feed, and then you just hit Send a use. That's all I had. That's all I had to do. That's all I had to do. And then all the rest of it just happens. Yeah. I mean, we monitored everything. But yeah. And you know, with for years now, we've been doing the bat signal on no agenda. And that's still manual. I'm literally copy pasting putting that into a tweet. This there's some bot pocket no agenda, I
think, which used to be the app is long gone. I don't I think I don't know. But the developer set it up. So if I if only I send a tweet and coffee pot, no, pocket, no agenda, then it fires it has some link into these apps that people still have on their phones, and that fires off the bat signal. But now other people have tied shit into it. And and that's what's cool, because anybody can access pod ping. Anybody could monitor for live status. You could do all kinds of things. Yeah,
hotel. Yeah, totally. And that's just the that's just the reason code. We'll have one. You can imagine you started thinking of all the stuff you can stack on top of that. This, this kind of is kind of amazing. But I mean, like the most exciting thing was actually getting a notification through pod verse. Like, he just popped up on my phone. And then everybody who has pod verse can just tap it and you saw that you saw them all flow right into the chat room. It's
so cool is amazing. Wow, that is okay that my breath is taken away. Yes, I know you're, I know you're listening, hosting companies. This, this is what the future looks like this is imagine your UI where your podcaster customer goes into their dashboard. And instead of publishing a new episode that they've already recorded, there's maybe a little drop down there that says go live or something like that. They change their status to live and boom, all the pod pings go out and
there's a lot and a live stream kicks on kicks in. And AK you know, Allah squad casts style clean feed style live stream, and boom they're on the air. No, totally decentralized. Don't need YouTube don't need any of that jazz. It's just all they have a question when people are listening live in PA pod verse or curio caster are they also streaming 100 sets per minute I would think so. Yeah, I'm
I would think so too. I just I've never even questioned it and just kind of popped up because it is a different type of medium. I have no idea how there are these apps are counting I don't know. I don't either. We could you you could watch the the node Yes, I could watch the note but then I need to purse Oh, there it is. Yes. It just glowed green for me. No. So it is where is it?
Guest so yeah, I guess so. So unbelievable. And people have and and as it turns out, doing the live day when the podcast is lit people love boosting and they're boosting with vigor vigorous boost listen to this. Let me see where's it to lose the very best like no lawn ever is my real dad to them is my car. I will lose them across the land boosting car Instagram Damon DeLorean beautiful Pokemon I love it. I want more though. I want more of the chorus boosted grams Dan
and you could have like boost boost boosted grams. Really dynamite either waiting to hit me with it. Someone put it on the podcast index dot social. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if Dave is, you know, I'm always trolling the local timeline. I'm not just looking at stuff. This is me or people I follow. I look at everything. Like oh man, I hope David hasn't seen this one yet. No, I didn't see it. And it's even worse because like I want to, I want to really say
something about it. But I know if I reply to that. I'm trying the same on Twitter. It's like whenever someone sends me a great clip I just hit a like you know, I don't reply. I don't want anyone else to see that is too good. Yeah, that's funny. DeLorean That's awesome. Yeah, reverse boost. We need to reverse this. Cool man. Did you see Kevin rook in great episode with with Polly toy? Oh, I have not I have not seen it yet. You haven't listened to
that episode? No, I have not really good PLEASE DO what He but he tweeted a a chart or graph from which has sponsored by voltage. And it's, it's, it's like the most beautiful linear line you'd ever want to see on a chart and it's in the end. The heading is 7000 plus podcasts on the Lightning Network. And it's a timeline you got Take a look at my Twitter real quick. Oh, yeah, I retweeted it. And you saw it. There are now 7000 podcasts on the Lightning Network with 499 new shows added
in May. We're not. Where does the chart come from? That's a hockey stick. Where did the chart come from? I sponsor about voltage. How do they do that? I don't know. This is what I've been trying to get from you for weeks and voltage as it just, I don't have fancy graphics. This is just amazing. And I was saying to Tina, I said, Cool. Fuck marketing system. This flywheel spins by itself. So the best kind of marketing and PR Did you did you do it?
Really? You don't even do this somebody else does for you. A really favorite gun. It really is. Man. I love it so much. I voltage for I guess. Yeah, and you're right. It it is it is literally a hockey stick, isn't it? Yeah, it is. That's like home, like the real car. Not the fake. This is totally real. It's all right here. The booster grams are coming in. Oh, man. I love my job. Somebody replied to that and said can you also release music podcasts on the network? Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah, you can.
Yeah. And I've had several people call me about that. Who have contacts within some of these. Some of these companies and organizations we've been talking about. So that's that is moving forward. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. And I knew that as somehow I just knew that it was going to be like, people were going to respond to that because it's just too it's too juicy of an opportunity to be able to throw that out there. Because people have music and
that's the thing. Like, I mean, my my son, you know, he had one of the things that cripple the cripple. Yes, exactly. Yes. The credit the invalid. Yeah, he's the convalescent die. So the convalescent that's what we're calling from now. He they're about to record another album. So they've got like six more songs ready to go. So they people have music just sitting there ready to go? Yeah. What's in Nina then Janine Allah for what's nice about these groups, and I'm talking to one next
week. You know, they already have all the bands and musicians, they have the onboarding. And, and it's very well understood that I think these people get like, Okay, we have to provide an RSS feed. Okay. Yeah. Pretty much it you know, and it's Spencer. Now, Who's he? Who's he working with on on a reference music app? Was it just him or he sounds? It sounds like he had a whole consortium he was working with? I don't know. It's kind of coy about it. It's Astor Spencer
always on the DL? To work on some top secret stuff. I'm all I'm all indeed up, man. I want the I want the music podcast app on your phone. Oh, yeah. I want that. I would eat that up so much. I want to see Did you hear? Did you hear the thing about Spotify? One their lawsuit against that company called Spotify? No, I didn't. What's the what's the Well, part of phi is like they're just a conglomerate of pot
dispensaries. I'm not sure where they exist. But so Spotify sued him for Trademark Dilution or whatever in and what evidently, one hears me No, this past week. But I just thought that would be a great name for Spencer's music app. Spotify would have been no, not interested in last five minutes. But just speaking of interesting was that article I heard about it that there's some Spotify podcasts that are apparently making $18,000 a month and they just have a white noise or Yeah,
Pink Noise relaxing white noise? How does that make an advertiser feel? I don't know. I mean, what do you what do you advertise pillows? Or? I mean, if someone's I mean, I'm sure that these white noise podcasts are not being interrupted by ads. Should they be if the I don't know. I guess I'll pre roll. I mean, it's pretty fired up. But I don't I mean, to me, it just tells you that, that the fact
that somebody just discovered this, it says enough, right? It tells you all you need to know about what about podcast statistics, and all that nobody knows what the heck is going on. And then two really surprising. I guess they were announcements. But you know, I just listened to different podcasts. And so blueberry is now doing as an ad insertion product coming. I guess that's what I heard. And yeah, yeah, I guess they they saw, I think, I think everybody's got something in the worst probably.
But they they probably saw that Buzzsprout released theirs and, and, you know, need to let everybody know that they had theirs in the works too. Let me say this about the Buzzsprout ad insertions. I'm really, it's, I'm really impressed because here's how I heard it work. And it was on pod land. So apparently, it finds a good spot to insert. I don't know if that's dynamic and AI or whatever. If there's some marker set, I believe it's actually finding that spot for you.
Yes, that's my understanding. Yeah. And it kind of does this, it has a little too loose music that gets mixed in before. So under the last words of the insertion, and under kind of the first half a second of that. And it's the same on the way out, so it's not a jarring cut. Very impressive. I like that a lot. Then, I think it's dynamically splitting up the chapters, the chapter markers, and and giving it a
part two. So there was an it's actually interesting talking about it was actually brackets. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Because actually, because you had an interview on pod land. And there was a part two of your interview, but you got to part two, and then in brackets, part two, because there was there was an insertion there. Everything was perfect, except the image broke on the on these dynamically generated chapters. Otherwise, bravo. Did it how did it break? Because I was looking for that just the
image broke. Like there was just no image at all. Yeah, just I just got a question mark. Okay, icon thing, because what I was thinking was this shows for sure that you can absolutely do dynamic ad insertion and still maintain all the correct timestamps. Yeah, I'm not sure about the transcript. I wasn't following along when I knew because I only kind of noticed that like, oh, okay, hold on a second. Now, here's the thing. I cannot for
the life of me remember what ads were there? Because I skipped through them. I can't either. I know what I want the first insert the first insert seem pretty good. Like the timing of it seemed pretty good. The second insert caught me like I think it caught me like, right in the middle of a sentence or something. I think I paused or something like that. But no, I think that to me, it just it proves that if you care do it right. Your product you
can do it right. You can adjust the timestamps, you can get everything right. Anybody who doesn't do it that way and just says oh, well, you can't do chapters because dynamic ad insertion f it up as well wouldn't know that if you don't care it will if you're lazy it will but if you do it if you do it this way, of course know that a word that does not just proved it. So when I don't know if this is up and running fully where that but I think we should take a couple $100 in and promote
podcasting. 2.0 promote different apps. Hey, hey, I hope you're enjoying this podcast. If you don't see a boost button, you're late. You're late. Yeah, get a bigger Paris. Oh, you got to see my big scissors. Yes. And we also got a new a new piece of art from Sir Pete Yeah, the the giant the chances are this this running with scissors it's become quite the thing. Everyone's using the emojis and it feels good though. It you know, that's that's why the last couple shows we had a lot of
shit broken. And there's some frustration I'm sure Stephen B was very frustrated. Then we had a little little fire alarm where the feeds that I had generated the lit tag the live item tags with they were breaking on dog catcher. And I only got reports from dog catcher I had no idea if it was breaking anywhere else. And I'm like oh man because you know I was that was that was my running with scissors like I'll try it on no agenda. And we do not have no agenda and something breaks I hear about it.
Oh yeah, but what what's interesting though, from that experience, is that you only heard about it from the dog catcher thing I don't think you heard any other breakage No, no, but you know when I hear when I see two then I'm always like, oh shit, something's broken. So I didn't at that point I didn't know is isolated to dog catcher. Nor did I know that dog catcher is what they call a abandonware Yeah, yeah. Because that's it. I was surprised that that even was
still out there. I had dog catcher on my phone. Oh my gosh, it's probably just old. It's been around for a long time. Oh, yeah, it's been 11 or 12 years ago. I haven't. And that's been the last time I used it. I had no idea it was still in the only reason. The thing about dog catcher back in the day that it lets you do that, that I don't think anything else did at the time. Was that it let you choose where to store your mp3 is when
they were downloaded. You could put it on the SD card of Android. Right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Oh, my goodness. That was progress back in the day. It was Yeah. But that, I think, yeah. So we got I put out the call to back started. Well, our resident expert in XML. I mean, he literally is like, was on the XML like committee. So I mean, he's, he's the absolute expert came in he said, No, you're doing it fine. There's nothing wrong with this XML. The problem was right.
And he was just on the on the on the mastodon, right. Yeah, he popped back. Yeah. Because he, you know, he's, he came in and wrote a DTD for us. Right. Or, I'm sorry, an Excel sheet. And design spec. And that was great. And then so I still had his email and I'm like, Hey, do you mind popping in to give some insight? Okay, I thought he got the alert as remastered arm. Okay, I got it. Yeah. It was awesome. In so he, you know, it. It's, it was nice to
see to hear that the the tag is not problematic. It's, it really is a dog catcher. Problem code issue. Yeah, though, and I'm the I don't think it'll ever be fixed. No, the devs threw it right back at me. Yeah, he's no good. I don't know. When's the last time they had a release when it was 2018? Yeah. Once it goes that long. I mean, it's really hard to another release. It's a goner. Yeah. So I don't know what I mean, what does that mean? I think we still need to,
I've downloaded an emulator on my machine. And so my plan is to is to load up dog catcher in there and just throw a bunch of live items stuff at it until I can figure out what exactly it is the bread. Yeah, it's some kind of Java thing that's breaking. That's it's throwing an exception. But how to add a Java array index, negative one, and you can't do negative indexes in Java arrays? Well, apparently, I have that power. If you want a negative
one, I'll throw one at you. Let me just press Publish. So I don't know what's going on with that. It's that I'm not even I'm still not even convinced it's a it's a live item tag issue. It could be something completely unrelated. And just, I mean, it's I don't know if people subscribed, they pay for that or Yeah, seems like something would be cool to to let open up and let people work on and create some create something out of Yeah, I do wish that older apps that are out there abandonware
would would open their code. Yeah. Speaking of older Yeah, I've been rockin Linux Mint on on my Surface go version one for I don't know four years now. And I just love it. I mean, it's so fast and finally earlier this week, the screen literally came unglued on one side is is your battery swelling? Is it the battery?
No, it's just abuse. It's just I take it everywhere you know when you open that kickstand that puts all kinds of pressure on the bench This is the original version and and so I was like okay I'm you know I really love this device and and I just said you know what, I'm just gonna get the the surface go three. And so they've upgraded you know, a whole bunch of things this thing screams reams it's so fast and I thought they stopped making it. Yeah, you can still get them on Amazon for 400
bucks. Like this is fantastic and thanks to the Linux unplugged guys I knew all the things I need to know on how to migrate Oh nice. Yeah, I got my dot files I didn't know they still made the surface go I mean are they is it an older unit? No. Brand new as beautiful that you know doesn't have that it's completely black it doesn't have that that ugly Microsoft kind of fake faux metal. Oh yeah, the vibe to it. Yeah, the funky material thing Yeah.
And I already had the keyboard cover so it was pretty cheap replacement Alma that thing is just in the screen real estate is bigger even though the the actual devices same size anyway. Just want to say I'm so proud of myself for the migration. Nice in one day. Yeah. Yeah. Let me see I have, we have a guest today in the boardroom. So I'm gonna bring our guests in in a moment. Here's a little data point for you. Almost every day I get the domain name renewal notices. And they're pretty much
all on auto renew it until something pops up. I'm like, and I now I started to ask, can I have 1000s? Then that turns out to be a lot of money. That's a lot of money. That 1000s Hundreds I was 1000s is not right, hundreds. And it's just now it's 14 bucks, 14 bucks, whatever it is. Don't worry, please don't email me telling me I'm paying too much. I know. I like DNSimple. I like those guys. And so this is just a little a timeline. I got a one year renewal notice for fast
follow dot link dot link. That was a year ago that we started talking about the fast follow? Yes. Just Yes. Just putting that data point out there. And you know, that I've been, I've been thinking about that, because I've been pretty, that a lot of the stuff I've done this week has been index API stuff for various people, that hasn't
really been anything worth talking about. And so I've been I've been thinking Nina, I've ended up I go through these phases where I get bogged down in, in sort of back back into work, and I don't get any, anything done on like namespace and sort of the more push forward projects, and one of the ones that that I really want to start working on and pushing forward on is the stuff we're talking about with Nathan Gaither, I would essentially fast follow with the with the
universal subscribe links. But I just haven't gotten time to do it yet. So we've got FFL like we gotta get framework to move forward now. I saw you posted a, an update about or a clarification of the roadmap and how we're gonna how we're moving forward and you clean some of that up? On what I don't know. I just saw a link a post about it. Where I'm gonna the social. Did I post that? Yeah, I thought you don't know what topic was.
Was this about? It was like I'm cleaning up the namespace or some shit like this. Clean. Oh, I'm sorry. This is from 2020. Yeah, I did back then. Well done. This Oh, finished. So you could finally mark that done off your to do list. Cry with it. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to take these John's scissors. I'm going to I'm going to get to take them to the engraver. Get Steven bales name engraved on these. He gets the scissor award for the crates. He goes first for the live item tag.
This is there you go. So it'll be our very own podcasting 2.0 awards. And we hand out to scissors. So this is the scissor for podcast of the year this scissor the scissors for for App of the Year this Yeah, of course this is are for contract, you know the feed contributions. I mean, we can come up with everyone wins the prize. Basically. That's the idea. Yeah. participation trophy. That's what it is. Yeah. No, it's a value trophy. The the scissor award for person with the best jingle at the end
of the show. Yeah, well clear. Clearly named DeLorean she's, yep, she is. She's top of the leaderboard. Man, let's see. Oh, yeah, I just wanted just to make sure. This was kind of interesting. I think a lot of people got an email from from Oscar at fountain. Yeah, I got it. I got that email. Yeah, we all got it. And I want to congratulate Oscar on on on doing this. I mean, I never would have known that he does this kind of stuff
where he's thinking that way. This is obviously a bug somewhere that fired it off because the email said, hey, you know, we noticed that you stopped using fountain do Would you mind telling us why? Fantastic. Really, really smart. Now? Of course it is. The bug sucks. Because you said well, I used it a minute ago. Like Hey, dude, you fucker. But yeah, I was impressed by that. I'd like these things. And
speaking of speaking us as rewards can we give? I would like to put Alex into our split for this show as gay because he helped me a bunch this week. And he has been onboarding a bunch of people to in a tube to no agenda to for all this kind of stuff. So at the end, that's not cheap. So was Paul's put them in the split? Definitely.
Yeah, just got his pumpkin just briefly on this what I would love for two I have seen Peter said I sent nudes so I, you know, I would I'm so close to be I can onboard people into no agenda tube. I think we have all the pieces together. The for video I'm talking specifically. But even for for podcast release really for video specifically, there's no way to let me see if I'm explaining this right. For a lot of a lot of new people managing their, their podcast wallet in the
fountain app is very desirable. And I have a feeling that more apps will be including this functionality. They also have some statistics which podcaster wallet doesn't provide. The problem is you can't claim a no agenda tube feed in the fountain app because the no agenda tube feeds don't have the owner email items. Yeah, that's right. So how do we fix that? And what do we need to do to make sure that no agenda tool works as intended that there's, you know, some of this web torrent stuff is built
in as well. And we're not all just sucking on Alex's pipe? Sorry, for the visual. Yeah. Thanks for that. Yeah, I think that's, that's really the biggest thing with na ta right now is we're just gonna have to be judicious about, you know, load loading him up. Because every, every time somebody throws a big pile of videos on there, it's a direct hit to his into his wallet. So can can. Now, I think the storage is not that much of a problem from what I've understood from him. But really,
the bandwidth could become a problem. Is there? Is there a way that can I set up a server somewhere that that participates in the bandwidth sharing? Is there? Is there anyone it was the other way around? I thought it was the bandwidth was not a problem. But the the storage was better? I'd be wrong about that. Because I think what he what, what he does
is he needs to he needs to take splits. I mean, he needs to be creating these, just like an app should be should you know, somehow he needs to in the feed creation needs to be able to interact with the podcast or wallet system. I'm really talking out of my ass now. But I I think you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we'll see he takes a bigger split. But like when I set him up when I set people up with by hand, since they don't have email addresses, and I set him up by hand. He on the in a
tube side is a 20% split for him. God because because of that reason, because of the of the bandwidth, which which which is perfect. But then once you set up, how can I get that person to be able to manage their splits in the fountain app? Oh, in the fantasy that I don't know. I don't know how to onboard it through that because? Because Fountain has it needs the email address to work.
Right. And I did get a couple of bug reports that people on boarded through fountain but then if the value block wasn't wasn't propagating through to other apps, is that is that a bug? Do you think? Or is that a caching issue? Say that again. So the it popped up on the breeze feed it telegram where apps onboarded through fountain. So that's how they got their podcast or wallet. And that was working in Fountain but it wasn't showing up in breeze or any other apps until I guess
later. Is there? Is there some lag? No, my patient might be a bug. It could have just bent. Yeah, it could have been some kind of bug on on the fountain fountain side because we as soon as the fountain onboard somebody Oscar sins the split, right back automated straight back to the Index. Yeah, I knew was out automated. So that's why it's Yeah, question is there might be a bug somewhere or caching?
Could be Yeah, it could be. It would have to be I would think because I mean, as soon as it hits on our side, it's it's in there now. Oh, I'm almost out of breath. I'm so excited by all of this stuff. And then why don't we Why don't we bring in our guests because he's been waiting very patiently. And he got up super early. We stayed up late so we could run together with our scissors please welcome developer owner CEO Big Kahuna of the visie app, which I've been testing today and I like a
lot. Hello, and welcome to the board meeting. Nick Ivanoff. Good evening, guys. Did I say that right Nick? Is it Ivanoff? It is Ivanoff Yes. Okay. Now This is really interesting. Welcome, Matt, you're you're in Australia, you have kind of like an Eastern European sounding name, but your accent I can't quite place in either of those. It's it's such a good question. And the accent is the bit that always comes through and people can place it. They're like,
where are you from? And it's 100% True. My name's Eastern European. I was born in Bulgaria, in Eastern Europe, I ended up growing up in South Africa. That's what I thought it was South Africa. There you go straight to Africans. Just a hint. I come brought up. Yeah. Ben occludin. Nadler on to explain NATO loans. Oh, no. Yeah, no, it doesn't transfer as good when I know, I know. I know. But I've spoken to so many South Afrikaners now that I can I can certainly understand what you're
saying. It's really interesting. Okay, so Wow, well, at least you're not rushing, we should not rush and man, you know, your app would be taken right off all app stores. That will be horrible. deplatforming will be really sucked. Well, this is so. So this visie app, then. And I'll just intro because Dave, sent out the invite. I was not familiar with the app. And we talked about it a long time ago. Yeah, it's been it's been? Well, it's been about three, three months ago, or
something like that. Yeah, this was a very informative, this was a very enjoyable experience. You know, I'm, I'm always the guy that's looking for Please, can we do something different. And of course, every app is completely different. But this was so wildly different, because the whole pitch is, hey, you're gonna find and this is pretty much the the dream, I think that everyone is talking
about. And it kind of works in this case, where you come into this app, not into your standard library view, but into a discovery view, which includes disease wishes, man, I had so many dirty things going through my mind with that name, I love it. I just, I just want to make an app with jerseys. But anyway, so there's VCs. And you can share those you can follow people, which is analogous to a lot of the clips and sharing. But the whole premise is really a discovery. And I mentioned
this to my wife. And she said, That's interesting, because that would be I didn't give her any more prompting, I'll see if she installs it. I think there is a need for this type of immediate discovery type app. Yeah, yeah. And it's a great, it's a great way to introduce it into into the discovery screen. And I think what you find is, we, even when I thought about it, initially, really approach
the problem from the listener side. So when you open the app, you can see that it comes at you with exactly what you kind of want from a podcast, app discovery. And if there is visie thing, what is this new thing? It's right at the top. Yeah, you can get started and look through it. And you know, everyone should take a look and see see what I
mean. But it's such a, it's like an upside down approach where everybody has, you know, the standard app view is okay, here's your pot, here's your subscriptions, etc. But this, this really drops you into, into something completely different right from the get go. And that's what we're that's what's so super, it's not like a revolutionary idea. But instead of making the clip sharing subjugated to the functionality and discovery, it's kind of days for you. It's really more
upfront. I know, Dave, what do you think? Yeah, no, I came over. I came at it from the, from a from a different sort of standpoint, because, Nick, I had never seen the app before I talked to Nick one day and him and his partners. Forgive me, Nick, I don't remember their name. Names. But we, you know, he was they were sort of showing me the whole their whole idea from it. And I was I just got so hyper focused on the like, the chapter aspect or these markers within
the within the show. And like that, that where you can like Insert Stuff. Do you want to talk about that, Nick, where it's like, yep, this because there was a debt. There's a dashboard, and some other and some other stuff that I don't remember how to access? Do you want to let go? Like, talk a little bit how that works? Absolutely. So it's a great way to talk about because you're tackling both ends of the platform. So we built the app as
an output. And if you go into a visit, you'll see that there's images there screens of the change, they're time stamped to the audio. And then what we showed you was the back end, which is how you create that experience, which is why it's right in front of the app saying hey, there's another way to do this. We're trying something new. Try it so you can see it out. And, straightaway, so the back end of the platform, every image is essentially a chapter and enriched chapter, which is
time stamped to the mp3. So the podcaster, or producer would go and claim their podcast, app dot visit or FM. And in there will be their feed already. And they can create these chapters and attach images. And also interactions. If you have a play around with the top bar, which looks consistent on each page. They can do interactions where it links through to the internet directly from the player screen.
Yeah, so it's like it's it's like a rich chapter editor. But then there's also I think, tell me if I remember this right there, because your way the folk, I think what your focus was, or at least part of it was being able to have a better ad advertising. I guess not experienced, but like, there are maybe that is right, I better like have ads that actually do something and are better than just like a, like a display. Exactly. So I mean, this is this is our proof of concept. So we
can put it in front of people and have them see it. You guys saw it and you enjoyed it. So our next move is to open that up, which is why I'm so excited to speak to you guys. Because this is the probably the central place in open podcasting to talk about how Yeah, hell yes, actually, the board meeting, there's no doubt about it sucks. I'm just I'm just happy to be and this is my my first appearance on a on a podcast, writing. Are you doing very well, you're like nothing, bro. Yes, perfect.
Thank you. So the next step is okay, the listeners always say the same thing. How do I get my show on here? The podcast is in the hosting companies have, you know, their own twist on it. So our next steps are opening it up. So we would like the editing process in the back end. And it's been described as an authoring tool to make it really simple and easy so that people
actually use it. So we get more adoption on chapters, and then work with others that want to stay in the open and unrolled garden systems to be able to drop smart or interactive ads. So if you are going to have a pretty good experience, like in Buzzsprout, where they've done a great job of writing finding the right place. And you know, they've, it's very clever to have a jingle, right? Because your mind goes well, okay, this is an ad, I know what this is. Would it be nice if there was
also a visual and a call to action? So we're working on a way to get that into the platform. Now? Are these these chapters? Are they the same? Do they fit in the same form as a 2.0 chapters, I'm a little lost on this. Currently, no, currently, they they are directly output it to our output we're engineering through now is actually creating the process one step further. Because currently, it's attached
to the feed. So version two will be paid bringing your mp3, drop it into the system, chapters, markers, images or links you want. And we will output a bunch of stuff that you can use. So we'll output an mp3 which has been enriched, that works in the open system, as well as the JSON that you can use to podcast. Nice, nice. And mp4. If you want to go to YouTube, you decide where you want to go. We even want to build a web player with the
chapters and the images inside it. So you can use that too if you just want to roll on the desktop. So interesting how how you're going to eat in which since you've been feed, do you have any way? Do you have a way of making money doing this monetizing? Oh, there's a use the monetize word. monetize? Good. First try. You're a newbie to podcasting. But we'll let you slide. I'm a newbie, I have to be one foot in the startup ecosystem to so that's a famous, right, you're monetizing? What's your
financial model look like? Yeah, really? Look, there's a few ways, you know, direct subscription for people to use the platform we're trying to think about and what you guys touched upon it earlier. And I think I think keeping podcasting
open really working together is a big deal. And I think some of the hosting platforms could also benefit from differentiating themselves and allowing a really easy, clean way to provide enriched chapters that work across different platforms to let external tools also be used within their publishing system. Exactly. You know, Dave said earlier, right? He goes, Why can't we have this is the user experience, you have a drop down, it's in the home that you're used to use it from
within that dashboard. Like that will be really powerful. awful. And it'll help us reach that. What is it 11% of podcasts using chapters? You know, let's get it to like 40. What would that is it really? 11%? Isn't that 11%? That can't be true. I think it was. I think it was 11. Relieve. That seems? Yeah, I think it's lower than nine that that's even lower than that. I'm suspicious. I'm suspicious of that number.
Don't trust anything. I don't trust anybody anything. And the hunter lab Hunter Biden laptop was real. It was? Yeah, I don't I don't think that. Like, I think the one I heard was 1%. Like one one and a half percent or something. I don't know. That seems oddly low to too low. That's also too high. You know, I had I had, this is very interesting. Today, I had a conversation with a Dutch developer. And he's created a system. He's also one foot in
the startup ecosystem. And he's also looking at, well, he actually had it like an SEO tool, where he was he says, I'll take, you literally ingest the mp3. It does a transcript. But then he did build all this AI. So you can cross reference all of these different podcasts and come up with ideal podcasts for Unilever to advertise on. And I liked it, not for the
advertising part. But I said, Wow, what a great tool. That would be if if someone's just looking for something that was said on podcasting 2.0 You type it in, you get a bunch of episodes, you get some other episodes that reference it or from different podcasts. And you're literally just clicking around on timestamps, and there's a little editor in there for you to make a clip or a visie. You know, there should be
additional CI is an open standard for clip. My God, have we ever thought of that we ever thought of something like that? Yeah. So so the idea that that open, and that that companies can start using external tools. And I mean, this is this something it started with hyper capture for me. Now hyper capture, you can tap on the podcast while it's playing, and you can create a chapter mark, and they also have a back end studio. And you know, Dave Nolan was probably the first to do
this. And now he's revamping and just seems like there's there's already a rich ecosystem of tools out there. Through the podcast standards in the namespace, we should be able to allow people to cook into each other. So Steven B, is what he sent a boost he just boosting said 2222 says and he says what tech stack is visa using? Oh, the engineering so I'm, I'm somewhere in the in the middle. between you guys. Well, I'm not an engineer. So it'd be best
we didn't. We don't have the right guy. The right guy on the wrong the wrong. Just just those words just doesn't buzzwords. buzzwords, what are we? Amazon s3 bucket. What do we have for the app React Native? Yes. Okay, for React now. Feels real good. React Native feels real good. Yeah, it is like, so what was it though? What was it about the editor? Because I've tried to find, I think you just showed it to me, I don't think I actually could access it. Because I went
and went back to try to look at it again. What was it about the app, you had some special things with ads, they were able to, you're able to do something with with tracking how the links work or something like that was refresh my memory. So currently, obviously, we have the capability to track everything that happens on the app. And as we build it to be distributed in more places, we would also be able to track so the the idea behind it is we're we're also preparing our API to
be open so that we can use it across different ecosystems. I mean, the alternate enclosure is something very similar that I'm very interested in, in in podcasting 2.0, which is, hey, can we display something like a visie outside of the visie app, but if it is displayed, then we would still be collecting data, for example, if you're talking about something you can purchase on Amazon, as Adam was earlier, and you actually displayed that on this screen because you use the rich chapter that you
created in in the portal, right and then there was a button on which people clicked and they ended up buying something that will be attribution. Oh, that's what it was. So that's our Yeah, that's what it was like, like, like automated affiliate sales. Literally, so they There's this other missing piece and, and it's two ends of the spectrum, you guys dealing with the value for value. And I'm educating myself on it. I've got the
engineers reading about it. But then there's this other side of podcasting where, and again, these numbers we have to take into consideration. They keep changing, but I think they're roughly correct. 60% of people are said in a survey, to have gone looking for things that they heard about in podcasts, which kind of feels right, because I do it. You know, it's one of the things that gave visie birth is, I want to stop Googling, I want it to be right here in front of me when I need
it right. Now, if we're approaching 500 million people give or take listening to at least one episode per month. That is a lot of revenue generated across the internet, but it's not associated with the podcasters know, right. How do we bring it back in the ecosystem? You know, if you didn't do the the funnel, the you know, the finance stuff, 1% of them by something, it's worth $30. You know, that's a billion dollars almost generated from podcasting. There is no way
attributed back. So we're tackling this part of the system of pay, how do we empower the creators to actually get some of the revenue of the sales that they are generating anyways? Yeah, so that's a big focus of the portal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I clearly bought these gigantic scissors. Scissors. Yeah. And everybody wants their own personal pair. I'd be tapping away. Yeah, I should. I should get begin affiliate kickbacks for this stuff, man. If you're
if you're if you haven't, if you have CarPlay. Right now, you're seeing scissors on your screen? That's right. Thanks. Right. And that's another thing, you know, we're moving, you know, cars are about to be autonomous and they have big screens, why not? Home speakers have screens, you know, there's a little bit more, I think, I think podcasting could have a little bit more. Something that's just a bit more than audio a little bit less than video, we get into that. And not everyone can afford an
amazing production team. But if you can create your own visuals, you're kind of halfway there without the studio and in the editing skills. So hopefully, you know, it's if you don't mind me asking, do you have investors? Is that are you financing these yourself? Do you have day jobs? Oh, man, so I quit my day job, adulation. Nothing like nothing. And I'm talking like seven months ago since I last
got any income. No investors. So far, we've used our money to this point, and it's yeah, it's been an expensive adventure so far, but well worth it. Well worth it. What's your background? My background, so I come from my backgrounds probably as mixed up as my upbringing, which is being obviously wonderful, but like from so many places, so I went to school for biology, and pharmacy, and then decided that's not really my path.
I went to school for pharmacy as well. Interestingly enough, just different different paths, different paths, but better living through medicine, baby. It is. But I decided maybe not the best way to earn good money. So I got out and I worked for FinTech in a in FinTech for seven years. And then exited out 2021 After an amazing Ron, but I
decided, you know, I need to I need to do something else. And unlike all my other brethren that came out of FinTech and went to payments or buy now pay later, I decided to go for something I'm really passionate about. And you said it earlier, you know, it's changes. I'm just looking more so than anything else to help change. And I think podcasting is just so huge, and it will become so much bigger, right? And we've got this, if we go back to the start and obviously, Adam, you were there.
But right, we had iPods and I've listened to a podcast and an iPod is now discontinued. I've listened to a lot of podcasts on iPod Touch. Also discontinued. Yep. Now it's all iPhones and smartphones. But if you look at the player screen, it hasn't really changed. Correct. It's the same thing. It's like a cassette deck, Play, Pause. fast forward and rewind. You know,
yeah, like, Hey, I've seen this somewhere before. Yep. And it's, it's essentially, what I would like to say the commercial side is on the most valuable real estate in the world is correct, but it's a cassette deck. Correct. Which is why we're so proud of our our boost button, being front and center as a way for people to support what they're listening to at that moment. I mean, that that, would that. I mean, that wasn't even planned. She just happened. And
then you know, confetti And, and all this other stuff. And that's also a part of the open ecosystems, you get all this creativity and, and you know, a lot of stuff falls by the wayside and a lot of stuff sticks a lot of stupid stuff like scissors, but it's ours. Right. And, and and I think that translates through to the work that developers do it. It's it to me, I'm not a developer, you aren't either. But it's, it gives everybody the chance to be really creative and provide
input. Even if you're not actually coding or doing graphics or UX or UI. Everybody can have a say in it. It's really nice. Correct, correct. And what you guys are doing, it's incredible it is it is a step forward in the journey. That's why I want to be in touch be taught by you guys and support the system as well. But you know, you're crossing the boundaries as well. People are always trying to define podcasting. What is it?
Oh, it has to be recorded. And well, no, you guys have found a way to make it also life and it becomes an experience and part of people's rituals and ceremonies. Oh, nice. callback. Nice callback. I got a lot of good comments. Pod sage on your, on your little soliloquy there on the last episode about not rituals, ceremony, and tradition and stuff like that. That hit home with a lot of people. At least somebody did. I got zero feedback. I had to drag it out of it. But they admitted it finally,
direct all your feedback to me through Adam, please. Yeah. Cool. What? So you clearly have podcasting 2.0 designs in mind. And like, what, what do you see? For visie? Like, how, what are you? You're using the index, you're using the API, the podcast API. But as far as podcasting 2.0 features clearly chapters makes a lot of sense. What else do you think makes sense for an app like visie? Going forward? A good question. And I sat down. So the sound bites is really
important, we have a very clean snip feature inside the app. So you can share five seconds, you can share two minutes, just the bit you're interested in. And it comes across with the visual, which is quite nice. Again, that's a small thing. It's like a little celebration at the end of a boost. But when you share
it with the visual people click, they enjoy it. So the sound bites, very interested, very interested in transcripts, and very interested in trying to use our back end to maybe even take those transcripts and make them into really good visuals, so that we can have the same experiences playing a podcast, if you're hard of hearing, it's hard to enjoy a podcast, you can read the transcript. But if you can read digested into little slides, then you can still have the same experience. You pull
out your phone, you press play, and it'll start going. Almost like captures in real time. Right? So we're very interested in using that. Not just that a lot of people who are not native English speakers enjoy it immensely. To read along with what they're hearing. And so making that a different visual experience perfect. Absolutely. And as natural language processing gets better,
you should be able to have real time translation captions. So then there's no borders in where the podcasts coming from, which is the dreams and dream. Yes. And my podcast Apple order my milk when I'm running out, I cannot wait. The Dream babies the dream? I'm not sure we're gonna manage to turn it into a super app, not pre funding, depending on our first round, if we can. Obviously, the funding is really important. And I think the more the merrier. We're not trying to replace ads. I think the
podcasts you choose. If they want ads, they can keep the ads if they don't want to, and they can do it through commerce and through links. That's great for them. But the funding and the booster grams are important. And the last thing we're really interested in obviously we're interested in all of them is the
alternate enclosures. Because you know you could have video you can have a visie it just gives a lot more creative, creative flex, to have that available to create a flex, creative flex, creator flex, is that what you said creator flex, creative, flex, flex, okay, I'm always looking for a good title, creative flex, creative flex, because it's hard right? If you're publishing a podcast now, according to your guys's stats think this 4.8
million at the moment is hard to differentiate. So giving you more tools, hopefully we'll have that help that along. With were you What do you think? Go ahead. Are you going to? Or do you think you're going to do a web app at any point? Are you pretty committed to native apps on the different on the two different platforms? Fantastic question we do, we definitely want to do a web player app that has the same experience. So currently, we have a web player, you don't need the app to listen to it,
you can just press play. But we want to bring in that experience where you can scroll through the carousel independently of the audio, and also interact with the buttons. We haven't thought about a full player on a web app, certainly put it on the roadmap, there will probably be a product question getting a little bit of feedback and thinking, are people going to use it? Do they have a requirement for it? In saying that there is some research? I think that came out of pod news,
that desktop listening is increasing? So the increasing use case for that increasing? Yes, really? Yeah, that's an issue because we, we talk a lot about that share of the, the stats around female podcast listeners, they listened tend to listen a lot on the web. But that's, it's interesting that that would that the web percentage would be in would be increasing. I don't know if he knows funny. I think that is I'm pulling this completely out of my butt. I
have no idea if this is true or not. But it's just I feel like the web is having a little bit of a resurgence. I mean, I agree. You know, it's not, Nate. And I would say native apps are still, they're still super important. They're still they still feel better on a mobile platform. But I find myself more and more dissatisfied with being in front of a tiny screen. If I want to get any real work done, I really just longed to be in front of a decent sized screen with a full fledged computer.
And once you're there, I mean, you really want to be able to listen, or interact. I mean, because perfect example. I've been trying to get some stuff learned on the guitar, but trying to learn a couple of songs, and going through some lessons on a couple of things with pick technique. And it just the other night, it just drove me nuts, I had to just put down the phone because I'm sitting there on the couch, with with the guitar and and with the phone trying to prop it up
against everything. And I was like, Screw this, and I just walked over to the computer, a computer sat down in front of it at the desk. And now I have a huge nice screen, good speakers. I can watch the guy join this pig technique. I'm comfortable. It was like, Ah, just this breath of fresh air getting away from the stupid mobile screen. And like I think sometimes, and especially the like, people are fond of saying that, you know, oh, when people listen to podcasts, nobody looks at their
phone while they're listening to a podcast. Well, I mean, I find myself looking at the phone more and more now that there's a reason to with podcasting 2.0 chapters and all these kinds of things. And I find that you've combined combine all that into a really good web experience for podcasting. I think it can go really far and do a lot. I mean, we've already seen it with curio, gastropod Vers, pod friend. These are, these are
apps that have a really high quality web experience. And I think I think that's bringing people back to to see how good web can be. You know, I've been using web apps almost exclusively for years now. I mean, I use I use apps, but I love the web. I my email was rain loop, which is part of next cloud. That's a web app. And you know, I love web apps that also desktop apps like, curio caster, it's kind of, I don't know, it works for
me, because the mobile experience is good. And the desktop experience is literally expanded. I saw an app, another app this week, somebody showed me an app in private. And it was a web first app. And clear, like designed from the ground up web first. And that takes that takes some balls. I mean, like to do to do that in this day and age is to say, Okay, we're gonna go web first and then native app, is Latinos an afterthought because you're it's a risk. It's
a monad. It's a it's a financial risk, you know, that's a big move. Yeah, it is. But but you know, I guess, I guess if, if the shares are increasing, and if there is sort of a swing pendulum swing back the other way, I guess we know Hey, might work. Yep, but I think it's worth doing them. I think you're right, and I can speak for myself if I have. It's funny. We have a lot of screens around us. Somehow the experience of On desktop or a laptop, just a full functioning
PC is a lot better. And I'm drawn to it, you know, I've got my PC on my desk, and I've got my phone in my hand, more often than not, I've got a slack to reply to, I'll use my desktop, as an example, right? Because you can use either one, that app that I was talking about that I was shown, what was so great about it is it was it had all of this content that the user they the screen was just packed full of good content. You weren't, like when you're on the phone,
I'm sure he would visit you. I mean, you know, this intimately, is like, you have to agonize over putting one more thing on the screen, because it's going to screw everything up. You know, it's like you just got such little tiny little space. But you know, when you have all that real estate for a web app, it's like, ah, you know, it's just pretty nice. Spread out. Yeah. And just, you don't have to, you don't have to worry about ran out of room is good.
And you're all NDA up on this. You can't tell us more about it. I'm thoroughly like Todd man, put me on the top. Oh, it's my new thing. What do you think is what I do? Todd? Yeah. Cool. So you definitely plan on, on what you're investigating value for value, streaming payments, and booths, etc. Now, right? Yes, yes. Cool. Very cool. Yeah, as well as all the others would love to have all of that in our authoring tool. And just to keep it the more places because because there's some feedback
from the podcast producers as well. And it's, what's the egg situation where they love and love what it does and respect that their listeners will really enjoy it. But there's always a little bit of, you know, how many places can people enjoy
this in, and it will be good to slowly start opening that up. As as the standard and the namespace comes together, I think we can really have it across enough listener density, that it becomes more and more attractive becomes a bit of a snowball effect with people rolling towards us, rather than, you know, a walled garden where you get 1.5 cents for an ad, right? Yeah, I'm, I'm coming it kind of enamored by this, I just kind of clicked in my head, the idea that any app can onboard a
podcaster. And then that works in all the other value enabled apps. Exactly. It's really it's really kind of, it's really, I mean, that's, that's what fountain does, that system works. I wish more would do that. I understand that just building a, an onboarding path and within your app is not something you just do. But wow, does it does it really make it? I mean, that's a whole new when you, here's what happens. So I helped onboard a very big Dutch
podcaster. And so they're just getting their feet wet with all this stuff. And they really had a company doing this for them. And now they're doing it all themselves. And so they, you know, they chose out of their own volition Oh, that we'd like pod verse, we'd like fountain. And so they saw the booster grams and fountain said, Okay, how do we do that? Well, you onboard that way. And so now it's kind of like a closed
ecosystem, even though it'll work on any other app. That you know, the benefit to fountain is because they're using fountain to listen and to create, they're going to tell the listeners to use fountain. So I think these types of things are important for all developers to think about. Because it's, it's a creative flex. Yeah, yeah. Cuz that's what I see happening as a sort of side effect of all this is that it's sort of blurring the lines between host and listen, and because especially to take
Vaizey for instance. If you have that tool, the tool, you know, the tools can live outside of the traditional client server split or host listen split. So you can have your I think, I think you're right, I think apricots are sort of created or launched this idea that you can have, you can have the hosting company, hosting your podcast, and then you can have the app reading the podcast. But then you have this other thing over
here. This sort of like it's neither one and then Stephen B is taking this and going logician you know, just run just flat off the cliff with it and said, you know, we're going to do everything where it's this third option, and that tells you that any app can cannot just, I get okay here. I'm losing myself. But what I'm trying to say is that, I think an app like visie and and And what others are doing shows that the app doesn't just have to be a consumption device. It cannot it
it's, it can be a two way street. Does that make sense? No. It makes sense. It makes sense. It can be a two way street. And also the, in this situation, the tools that you use in order to get an output in an app can definitely be cross platform. How do you curate in one spot, and output to many spots, and then people can choose right, some people absolutely love their overcast. Some people, surprisingly, love Apple podcasts for some reason, you know, some people will use, let
them use the app that they want. And let us try and get that experience across as many of them as we can. And including, you know, web, and desktop, as you mentioned, I think that will be really important. And it'll take it'll take collaboration. So I think this is a good place as a central point for everyone that wants to build on this system. And obviously, like, reach out at me on LinkedIn. You know, let's talk about it. You know, strategically, we can work together to try and make it
work. Otherwise, it might just fractionalize Even more, which is Steven, is people like dog catch. There it is, in a nutshell, everybody. Do you think you'd ever tried to do some partnerships, like with hosting companies like blueberry or pet sprout or rss.com, or something like that?
I would love to explore it, I'd love to explore because I think the strength with that is, you know, if we can build a really compelling tool that's really easy to use people like when things look good, they're clean, they're easy to use, but then provide it to them at scale, where they already are without having to change their, you know, ceremony or ritual or how they produce their show. I think that will actually expand things quicker, rather than obtaining them one by one.
That makes sense. Yeah. Shall we? I'm sorry, go ahead. Up nope, that's it for me. Oh, I was just gonna suggest maybe we thank a few people who supported the project. With their time, talent and treasure, this will be the treasure portion. And for those of you who are new value for value, look at value for value.io. Value number four value.io is a brief explanation. It's a precursor to the big manifesto, I'm still working on with
Professor Ted. It is forthcoming. And actually, Tina is going away with her daughter for a couple of days next week, I hope to be able to wrap it up. It's gonna be like, there's no this there's no distractions, everything will be everything will be perfect for you that close Are you that close to I mean, like you could wrap it up within a couple of days? Well, I'd like to wrap it up. And then I want to send it past Gigi, he's offered to take a look. Oh, good, I want to send
it past you. And then when Tina comes back, I want to throw it to the Tina wash because that's you know, that's kind of like the ultimate triple wash that's organic, it was the enter with the green goo Yeah, you get the green goo wash and the blow dry. And, and that and then I think it should it should be good to
go. But anyway, value for value means whatever you're getting out of this project and I think even as a just to a listener, you're probably seeing all of this stuff all this value that's being created. And one way to return that to the project into the show which is really just the facade for the project is by going to podcast index.org down at the bottom you have a couple ways to donate your Fiat fund coupons are welcomed through
PayPal. You can send on chain Bitcoin, if you have a couple laying around we put all that on our node we provide liquidity with that which has been going quite well actually. The fees are the perfect spot now we're no one's complaining about them and we're also not being drained. Our channels aren't being drained it's and I haven't had to write unless you're rebalancing I haven't had to rebalance anything in the past
at least four weeks. Are you kidding? We have these moments like okay man, I gotta I gotta restart the node which means it's gonna go into compact note we both sit there with sweaty butt cracks for 20 minutes Yes, like Oh, and with Graham on signal like Dude, can you just make it you sure is it coming back up? Will it will it come back to life? I have bugged him so much I feel bad about it. Now like there's I mean if you've done all that and Sir Spencer hasn't popped up
yet. You've done a good job. He still has a channel with us. I think so that's that means good. We still have love and of course we'd love the boost and the booster grands let me just hit a couple of the live ones we got a while we were lit and only the booster Graham so we had Steven B with his Rolodex for what tech stack is busy using we handle that and we see we have a booster RAM from C Dubs. Thank you for 2222 and a 333. Hard Hat row a duck's Mike Newman 55,555.
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think I am crossing the streams here. I don't know. Here we go. Kyron pre boosting for the mystery guest is it the ghost of Sidney Gottlieb to help Dave with his MK Ultra experiments. And that was boosted four hours ago by chyron on the live item, because I got it here in the helipad row stakes. And that will Yeah, so that was definitely on the on the pre on the pending pending lit. And where are you? Where are you in in Australia with? I'm in
Sydney? Sydney. Okay, all right. In Brisbane, and then just in under the wire before we go back over the booster grams from the weak Dred Scott. Who is the Bruce Wayne of podcasting? 2.0 Ladies and gentlemen 50,000 SATs right there Oosting it live or listening on pod verse on i Oh s go podcasting. And he has little he might from iOS. Yeah. And he has a little mic emoji and down arrow. So Mic drop. You know what I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a little bit of this. Can you hear this?
Is that a dog toy? This is the scissor six. Not a doggy toy for sure. That's Wow. They are. No they're your scissors are huge. Yes. What I've been told. We got a we got to pay pal from Anthony Thomas zoo ski for $20 and it is from the static podcast Adam and Dave, thanks for all you do. Dave Thanks for the help the other day go podcasting.
Go podcasting. Thank you very much. We appreciate that podcast we get another one from Andrew Kelly right under the wire at $10 through PayPal and he says go podcasting that's it that's it for the that's it for the single weekly I was chatting with with Roy and we are going Roy from breeze we are going through a transformation here which I've been playing paying very close attention to we've been migrating away from Fiat fun coupons through PayPal into
booster grams without Now of course there's some bitcoin pricing but without really dipping too much in in the overall income to fund the fund the system. It's it's this is very important what we're doing here. It's a smooth transition. It appears to be Yeah, it really does. And I'm incredibly impressed. Now of course we're asking people to pay attention
to what they're boosting. And I think the the live factor is is definitely helping that I mean no i No, it is it's it's helping keep everything where we need it to be at without, you know, and just without losing any steam because we're losing the PayPal. And we we did lose the so we and we did lose a pipe we lost a $50
a month donor subscription through Pay Pal. So then this month and that's, that's why we build the war chest like we are always talking about building up, you know a good savings because, you know, we want the economies go up and down this $50 month I mean, they may be I don't know maybe he lost his job maybe something like that that's always gonna be the case. And so we you know, we want to be self sufficient. And that's that's what we
do. And also look at the industry everywhere people are cutting back five, eight 10% stopping hiring budgets are being slashed. We had no budget to start with. It's hard to say are we all we have is the Is this the Bitcoin on the node and our little war chests that we just keep very carefully watching so that, you know we can always pay the bills? That's right. And Karen, for the mere mortals podcast helps us
pay the bills that 3790 SATs through curio caster. He says, You've both inspired me to do a whole episode on music 2.0 Nice little music a boost. And Dave, you're reading with backup music from Adam was wonderful, poetic even dude, I need to say something about that. So you were reading.
I'm thinking I gotta do something with this. I go quickly, I go find some Green Sleeves, because that's what that what that track is is two minutes or like a minute 25 I started I fade it in under you and you end it and you actually drag out the ending of your read all the way to the end of the music. One of the most professional things I've ever seen someone do on a podcast. That's right, seriously, and it's also because you're a musician. It was it was good, man. That was impressive.
All those years of college radio, hospital radio. That'll do it. Hashtag never skip the V for V section. Agreed? Hell yeah. Don't skip. Don't be a hater. Thank you don't just post Chris Fisher, our buddy from Jupiter broadcasting 6666 sets through fountain he says pod father and sage my apologies about the overexcited Linux crowd. Loose Bucha know we love the overexcited Linux crowd.
You know how technical users are they always want to provide a solution to a problem and being the Linux user who converted the pod father to Linux would be a feather in their cap. The Linux fans just get excited on behalf of all of them. I apologize when I was a young lad I would do I too was much like them these days I say record however you want to record just do your thing and pod on well I'm I'm very excited about the about the road caster. Yes,
I'm getting my hopes up. I'm getting old JD about it. Because that thing although you can't run the software it that should just integrate with with Linux fine. With existing shit. I keep man I hope that thing works good. I can't. I'm afraid of the fear that it's just gonna like there's gonna be a fatal flaw but you'll be there to catch me. I was when when I collapsed in a heap of disappointment. You'll be you'll be there for me baby.
I'd be there to catch you with these monk Monty kaka gave us 500 sets and he's the fountain and he says I love Ron Paul too. Yay. I don't know what this is okay, but we'll take it Yeah, okay. I always remember when you asked Ron Paul in your when you interviewed him feels a structure or a folder or a folder and he was like he got all offended. He was like what you're talking I don't see what that has to do with the conversation. It was at the very end of like, one more
question. Senator or Senator Paul. Are you fold or scrunch here? He's like I don't see how that is relevant to this. i He was not a Don I was egged on to do it. Everyone's like, Come on, man. You got to ask him. You got an he had no humor about that. He had zero humor. If nobody knows what they miss about toothpaste tubes. Toilet paper. Oh, toilet paper. Okay. Toilet paper. I forgot. Boris because they'll ski. Give us 200 SATs. And he says thanks for saving the podcasting.
And we do that in our spare time. Yeah, on a Tuesday. Yeah. Blueberry. I'll So known as boost, burry gave us 3333 sets. All right, he says, Thank you, Dave and Steven B for helping for the help getting in our in a tube channel working in the index. Anyone want to use behind? Behind the schemes? Oh, I see. I see what he means. Anyone wants to use behind the scheme's as guinea pigs with scissors for live video in app we're game? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Let's get that going. I got my camera
everything. I'm ready. You didn't fire up the camera this time? Did you know I was afraid of fear? Well, because here's what has to happen. Video has to be working in in pod verse. Because you because I want it you put the video stream you put that into the enclosure on the live item tag. That's the next step. I don't know. I don't even know if curio caster can do that yet.
I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But once we have that, then you know, then we just fired up and then people will see some video and I don't know what it'll be. But you'll see something moving. And then you'll hear the audio now I'll still I'll still throw it out to the to the stream. And we still use the same chat room. But that That for me is the next step. That's the next thing I want to do. Nick does divisi support video at all? Currently, we do not any plans?
Definitely. Definitely. I think I think video for those that choose to do video production or they just use the camera on their laptops. I think it's I think it's good. Some people are really enjoying it. And you can see of the podcasts that are using video with a poor bit more production. They're getting they're getting quite a lot of fraction there's because they're showing visuals on the screens, charts, pictures, places. And he's good. He's getting actually pretty good traction.
Hey, you should also take a look at the maps guys. Was it maps.fm day? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. So in Cridland Crillon is involved in that somehow right. And he like advisor advisor or something? I believe so. That means there'll be sold soon. For his exit strategy. Yeah, sure. No, if I had to sell something I get critical involved. Heck, yeah. Anyway, that's something that's something to think about Nick, is that you could do cool ass maps. Shit. That's the acronym is.
Cas sit in your pitch deck. It's called we have the CAS which is this new feature we've just introduced it's an acronym for cool at CAS cams. There you go. Thank you. Cool last match. cams. Also another possible title cams. What what VC wouldn't go for that? Yeah. Cool. Last map should baby come on. That's what we're talking about. Perfect time for it. It's not it's not it's not as it's not a suggestion far from our pitch deck. I mean, like, you can do
cool. You can do some cool as shit like, walking tour. Once you once you've got that visual on the screen. Yeah, the world really opens up with Yeah, I used to do this thing called the sound seeing tours. And I'd set up, I had a great stereo mic. And I'd walk I walked Union Square One time at midnight in San Francisco talk to whole bunch of homeless people, which was interesting, but you know, I just be describing as I'm walking and the quality was so beautiful of this of these microphones. And
people loved it. I one time I recorded my entire flight. I am a pilot and I flew myself over the over the English Channel and as I hoped in the radio, and so I was narrating what it was just a solo flight. But I was narrating and it had this really cool deep rumble from the engines and it really became an immersive experience and to be able to enhance that. Oh man. Creative flex babies. So cool. Greater flex. Was that on it? Was that on a separate thing or was that on daily source
code daily source code? Oh, cool. Yeah, it's out there somewhere. Ferrell Jeremy sent us 1000 SATs through fountain and he says first time booster Keep up the good work. Welcome Nomad Joe since 2000 SATs and he says boosted red roof boosted our Davis 87 cents 10,000 SATs for episode this is interesting. He sent it this week but it was for episode 74 Bank is way behind. That's all right. We'll take it at least we know what you were listening. What was episode 79 You said or 7574 confetti cannon?
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Thank you so much for those of you bringing time talent treasure, this is treasure but the time and talent is everywhere all over this project. Actually, I was thinking because we got a little bit of talent and time which for this type of person equals treasure. We got a really nice opinion from a lawyer about wallets and the pending legislation of you know what a broker is all this stuff that gets everybody nervous. Yeah, do you think we should have him have him on?
No Yeah, for real? Yes, sure. Sure. I mean, I've been asked him I haven't asked him but I'll just say look you can't bill us for this exposure but we'll free exposure will give you a split in the in the value block. We'll do that.
Yeah, cuz it's, he's a fun guy. So it might be interesting to have him maybe not for the whole show but have him on and just I think we should have him on in this for this reason is because I listen to a lot of Bitcoin podcasts and people in Bitcoin Bitcoiners and people involved in Bitcoin things do not talk about the real world aspects of the legal side of things. They never they hardly ever talk about it. Right. Even in private, they
don't when you ask, Hey, what's your opinion on? Is this? Is this kosher? Can we do this? Like, nobody has anything to offer? And so actually hearing somebody say, you know, I think this is okay, or this is something you should watch out for. That's valuable stuff. I think Yeah. And you saw it. You saw the the letter that he wrote, he'd really done some work. I mean, he even looked at tally coin, and, and all these other things that we're doing
specifically. I mean, that was I thought it was very interesting. And he said, Hey, you know, I don't see where listeners would have to be reporting anything. I mean, basically, what it came down to was the IRS or the opinion that would be the regulation that would be enforced by the IRS is kind of goes as follows. If you don't have any information of value to us on this person, we're not interested in you.
Thought that was really good. That was a really good observation because it like when it comes to tax reporting taxes, things like 1099 's and stuff like that. If you don't know any Anything about the person, then you can't report anything so they don't care. Right? That's exactly what it says. Yeah, it's exactly what it says. You know, it's all little money anyway, this is really
much more for exchanges and, and you know, for Big Boy stuff. Not that yeah, not the value for value isn't big boy stuff, but it's it's so distributed and wide and therefore much smaller assist just it's not going to be of interest. Yeah, yeah I think we definitely should do two quick lips before live booster grams that just came in see Brooklyn 112 Thank you for your courage on the from a curio caster and we have one from fountain No, that's sorry.
That's interesting. Something just came in for no agenda. Really right now. Yeah, for Bitcoin fixes this wakeup JCD I thought I thought for sure that was gonna be for us. I know I've been mixed node. And makes note. Yeah, I get all kinds of stuff on my node. I just sometimes just sit there all day and just watch. Watch the green glow and the occasional aquarium. Yes, yes. Oh my god, a heavy pad aquarium style, where the fish are just swimming and all sudden one of them will glow. And a number
will pop up. That's first stream and that one will just explode into fish guts and confetti. When a booster Graham comes in. Do you have an audible before the show? Okay, well, it's a late show. What can I tell you? I'm sorry. I'd already had my dinner my coffee. So yeah, there you go. Thank you, everybody for supporting us value for value. If you don't see a boost button in your app, you should get a better one new podcast apps.com 58 apps and services now using the podcasting 2.0 standards.
59. Actually, oh, because I just merged a new one into the Apps page today, but hadn't rolled it out yet. Which one is that? I forgot. So many now we forgotten. Yes. Yes. And not everybody has all the all the features all the tags. But this is this is how how we grow it. Nick is busy on the Apps page of the book. I don't think so. We're not on 6060 6660s big numbers. Great. Yeah, you gotta go. Yeah. Put it on there. Yeah, you got
all you have to do is do a pull request. Nick. Do you know how to do that? Yep. Yep. Good. Or at least I know. I know. Someone that knows how to do exactly. That's my answer to Yeah, I know. I know. A guy who can do that for me. Excellent. What else we need to cover? Dave? What are we missing anything for? For our show here? Our little show? I think we've had a good show. I've got an ISO if you want to if you want to roll that out. And that one out there. Sure.
Don't have a faint in Holland. That's from Top Gear. You're watching Top Gear. Yeah, he called me. Yes. I don't remember the episode though. Yeah, it was that one was some Formula One Dutch guy like some some one of the one of the babes when they come race babes or whatever. Posts. Oh, that's, that's a Dutch version of it. Sorry. That's it there you go. Whatever they whatever the term for that is the girls that like start the race or whatever. She just fainted. Oh,
and landed on his car. These guys come to help her back to the pit or whatever help. They pick me up, pick her up or whatever. And then one of them grabs her but when he picks her up in there, yes. And they were like don't ever feign in Holland. You can always count on him. And then the Dutch racecar driver. The Dutch driver says, Man did you mess my car up? Not issue. Okay, but did you screw my car up? That's funny, Nick, man. Thank you so much for for getting up
early. And let me see. I have it is not. Wait. 1247 It's not 1247. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't that it wasn't too bad. Wasn't the office the size of the day? Exactly. Well, we get you out of here in time for lunch. Yeah, no. You're just in time for Sunday church service, right? Yeah. Aren't you three days ahead of us? We are. It's already Wednesday. I know. It's the same to you guys for having me. Yeah, man.
And congratulations to you and your partners and the team and obviously, here to help where we can and again, appreciate you coming on. Really, really appreciate coming on you guys. This has been an amazing experience. And thank you for all that you do looking forward to every episode. The lawyer would love to hear what he has to say. It's usually from the other end only. So I'd love to hear this Side A balanced opinion I think I'm gonna get them on the show but we'll put them on a vocoder.
Oh, disguises voice lawyer making making the show Yeah. Would have been the shadow yeah put a light behind him if you're using the camera. Yes, yes, yes all that yes, absolutely. All right guys. It's been amazing you guys yeah thanks man. Good job for your first podcast interview very very well done you have no problems at all. absolutely appreciate it all right Dave guys hey bro Have a good weekend
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