Episode 87: Freerange & Unsupervised

podcasting 2.0 From May 27 2020 to Episode 87 We're free rains and unsupervised. Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It is the podcast that is the official board meeting of the entire podcast 2.0 movement. That's right everything that's going on that you may or may not see ahead of the screen and behind the screen at podcast index.org What's going on with the podcast standards? Are we lit in Oh yeah, everything that is being

discussed in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama the three time heavyweight champion of the world my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen say hello to Mr. Dave Jones. There are many things I am heavyweight is not one of them. I thought it would make an extra funny Bantam weight. Maybe maybe

we're banter. banter was too small. This is small feather isn't featherweight bent and I've never understood this this that one doesn't make any sense. What is Bantam? Well, I also didn't say champion of what I mean. I didn't say UFC or heavyweight boxing champion of the world. You in my mind. All right, true. Heavyweight Champion Dave Jones. No, sage. Yes, you are. Thank you, are you

brother, we are lit. Once again, the live item tag is on the air, which means people can can listen to this live they should have been notified in either curio caster or in I don't know if the actual notification came through for pod verse. But that's because neither you or I have any capability to do that apparently, which is just peachy keen. That is bonkers. I mean, like what, In what world? Should I not be able to send a live pod being that don't get it? Well, we my own fault.

We decided to kind of move forward. I also couldn't get the I had the live streaming camera that I got for us. No agenda tube for the pier to but instance that, you know, hope hopefully we'll be integrating into some of this live stuff soon. And yeah, the browser keeps telling me oh, no, I don't have permission to access Windows, of course don't have permission to access refresh, restart the browser, reboot the machine. And like that's where I draw the line.

They Yeah, I mean, we the the technical abilities, of what of what we would you call it what of what we portray versus what we actually have. There's a mismatch there. And we're like, we're behind, we're sort of behind our own curve. Well, there is also an entire culture of live streaming that I've never really been a part of. This is YouTube, like stuff. So this is this is all completely new, what I love

today. So we have sovereign feeds. And I just big props to Steven B with what he's doing on sovereign feeds, totes, totes. So now we have the web hook integrated. So when I go to let everybody know that a live feed is pending, I no longer have to add output an RSS file and then FTP that, it just removes all these beautiful little steps, it just one clicks into server. And then I still have to hit the pod ping manually. But that'll all be automatic soon, I'm sure.

The now he also has chapters that are working the same way that you can you can edit chapters, right in this kind of a nice chapter editor. I've played around with it just a little bit in sovereign feeds. Internet have seen it? Oh, yeah. It's, it's, I mean, this, this thing is coming together. You know, I couldn't quite figure out how to associate the right web hook with the podcast. And it turns out that I hadn't. I hadn't added it to my favorites. And quite honestly,

I've never used favorites. And this is a little topic of discussion I'd like to bring up when you have someone like me, who gets in really early and is working with a developer and providing feedback and doing stuff. And you'll recognize this, Dave, because we've we've done this for many, many years, that a certain point, you actually make reference to this in a different way. This is my side of the equation. Now there's things that I'll just work around, because I'm always

using these tools in production. You know, that's the running with scissors. So I'm like, Yeah, I'll just use this. Who cares if it doesn't work three minutes before the show, you

know, we'll just we'll just figure it out. Right? But other steps that a developer then later starts to abstract and turn into, you know, one function or one click if it was not told, if I'm not told, like, Hey, you can now do this like this or we've had I don't even know if I even realized If there was a Favorites button, it's not something that was there in the beginning. So I never. And of course, it makes so much sense. I have four feeds, I'm always typing it in the search box, I'm doing the

stupid shit. Like, oh, I can just add this to favorites. Now in this case, adding the podcast to favorites meant that I could also associate the web hook with it. Right, and subsequently a chapter web hook if if we want to go that route. So this was, this was just interesting to me from for a developer. It's like sometimes your best users who are in their early are not going to undo I mean, I, at a certain point, I didn't understand what

the UI was doing. Because the UI was just It worked differently. And I'm so used to working within the confines of what is provided that is confusing. So I'm not sure how to solve this. It's just some data I'd like to give you as a user. It seems the cause a change, change log sort of thing would be good. Like just a pop up that you know, how you like when you get a pop up that says, hey, you know, this, these things have changed? That's a good point. Yeah, that's,

that's, that's one good thing about test flight. And the iOS beta testing system in is when you put in show, like, you put in change logs, okay, here's what we changed by when you install the latest update. It you know, it tells you, hey, there's a new update available, you hit it, and then it comes up, and it just gives you a literally, it just gives you a full page change log, this says, Here's what updated and here's what we need you to test in, it's just a itemized list of all

the different things that were added. That would be cool, within within sovereign feeds to have like a pop up whenever, whenever something's new. Yeah, remember, whenever the version number changes or something, then you signal a pop up with the latest, you know, change log or whatever. And also, this one went in. And I'll also say that curio cast or the other side of sovereign feeds has become really smooth. I don't know exactly what Stephen did, but I

have no less issues. And sometimes it would crash that's been gone for weeks. The, you know, the new episodes, which I think is a crucial part of any podcast app is you know, what episodes that I'm subscribed of feeds I'm subscribed to is new in reverse chronological order. That's for me, it's critical. That works as expected every single time. Restarting gonna it's just a web app. So I have it saved as you

know, as a desktop web app on my graphene OS. When I open up a pot when it opened back up, the podcast I was listening to is still there. It's still queued to the right time I hit play, it starts playing from there. These are not small things. And when they really get fixed, everything starts to sing. It's

really impressive. Well, did you see the demo video that Mitch posted and he's got a he's got the cross, like a crowd the cross platform, position, time position sync stuff kind of nailed down now so you can listen on pod pod verse on the web pod versus on the on the iPhone pod versal Nan Oh, so doesn't cross device. Oh, nice. Nice. It's really nice to see all these podcasting 2.0 apps just sort of like they they're starting their feature set has always been big

but then like now they're just starting to polish. Yeah, things get that to get everything everything's starting to feel real tight. One other thing that was really nice because we have the we call it lit the live item tags so the show went lit and but even before if you do the show pending and you publish okay, you update the feed might the show was pending us at 12:35pm that's where we're gonna start. Then you go to curio cast or there's a pending broadcast tab which I don't know if that's

the right way to do it. And honestly, I would like to have any any new live item maybe even pending live items. I'd like to have those in my new episode feed because that's where the first place I look. So you know that just in most well however that works and it needs to be apparent to me. When you when you click on the pending, it brings up a box actually it's a list you can see multiple shows that are that are pending to go live. And right there it has boost, you can pre

boost the show. Oh, it's sexy. It's really cool. It brings up the boost panel and you can pre write a boosted gram so you actually boosting into the episode before it's live. It's really cool. Oh, that's that's yeah, that's a great idea. Great idea. You know, you can someone can throw it Last minute it matches. I'll tell you 100,000 SATs gets my attention it does just say it does just saying no that's not hearing the booster booster grams are coming in but I'm not

hearing that when we see that interact with the page. Oh, yes, I'm sorry on the page interact with the page. Yes, I looked at the page and went, Hey, how you doing? And the page went? Hey, okay, yes, I clicked on it. Okay, so now it should work. Should they want to want to do anything about it? God I'm gonna need any again to the point where I think No, thanks, guys. Again, to the point where I think I'm gonna be reading reading glasses. I mean, I'm exactly the opposite. My eyes

are shit but I'm nearsighted. That's why I love small screens that get really close to my left leaning in you know, I don't like multiple applications on a screen just one screen at a time. I've never had vision problems before and and all of a sudden it's like podcasting. 2.0 in Messenger with your health. Yeah. It's your eyeballs are slowly deteriorating. Piece by piece. Yeah. You know, so I'm having to like, pull things out for so here. Does it work this way? If you're nearsighted the

older you get everything starts to balance out. That's what they say. But there's no real evidence of that for me. I have better days and usually at home I walk around without glasses. I hate my glasses. It's it's painful. I used to wear lenses. That's just stupid putting stuff on your eyes. That just got old for me. So of course, the problem is if you can't find your glasses when you need your glasses, and you can't find them because you need

glasses. Yes, the industry. Well then you're you're either screwed. And you're always asking for help. Luckily, Tina is farsighted. So we're the perfect match. Or pa he has two sides of the same coin, where you get one of those chains with your glasses around the neck and you start smoking a pipe. A monocle. A monocle. That's a pretty cool idea. I could pocket I could rock a monocle. You could you get about here Monaco kind of guy. Rockin the monocle.

Did the sovereign feeds web hook? Yeah. I mean, I haven't checked it. It's working. Right? Yeah. No, we weren't first gold. Yeah, no, we're definitely golden. This thing works. All we need is just building the, the pod ping. And that's it. Okay,

don't perfect. Yeah, go ahead. I don't know, like, what what this is the sovereign, sovereign feeds that Adam uses to generate the feed, as the web has a web hook feature that will ship the full XML of the podcast feed in a in a get request or a post request, up to a server of your choosing with a secret. And so we've got an extra talk about this first thing, because some interesting things came out of this like, so what we'll do is you, you know, you just set up a box

somewhere that can receive this, this HTTP request. And then when it comes in, you just do whatever you want to with feed, you're gonna, you're gonna stick it somewhere. And where we where we stick it is in object storage in an s3 bucket, on Linode in their New Jersey data center, and that's a bucket that is accessible through the URL through the domain name, feeds

that podcast index.org. And so then we got all that work in whenever the whenever the, the web hook gets called, it saves the feed temporarily on the file on the on the box, turns around does a call to upload it to object storage. And then it's done. Well, then the object storage bucket is fronted by Cloudflare. So the Cloudflare is Cloudflare caching everything and then paying the mark void zero, who runs the nodes into the CDN and told him you know, hey, can you put in a redirect redirect for

us? Right, so our old Feed URL is now 302 redirecting to the feeds dot podcast index.org And so we didn't lose we didn't lose anything and we're not officially changing the feed URL the feed URL staying the same it's just gonna be a redirect for for an indefinite point of amount of time. The The interesting thing was now we can get we can get some stats ah, statistics Oh, that's right. Yeah. What did we learn spoke Spanish. That was Italian but okay. Yeah.

Thing is battalion. What what what are the stats Are these IAB certified? Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what we this is also we can pimp our stats so we can get advertisers. I'm gonna call Spotify momentarily. Yeah, we can get wild turkey. Wait a minute, you know, we apparently now Buzzsprout has created some ad thing. Oh, yeah. Well, I asked if I booster grand Kevin and asked

him this, at some point, will we be able to on buzz cast? At some point we'll be able to like, target a specific show, say like, I want to, I want to drop an ad for podcasting 2.0 Show into broadcast and haven't heard back I have to wait for the next episode of their show to drop before I can get a response to Oh, so is it intended for advertising or more for promos? I mean, I think it's, I think it's I think it's advertising. I think it's any advertising you want.

But then, from what I understand, you can't target a specific show. Like you just throw it out there and say these are the types of shows I want. And then they just get offered to the podcasters. So like you as the podcaster would get these notifications saying, hey, such there, here's a new ad that's available. Do you want to do? Allow that on your show? Okay. Which is a good way to do it. On the back on the backs that we could I want to be able to target a specific show. But the me too,

and I want to create specific ads. Yeah, for specific shows. Yeah. And then I want to swap out the mp3 so that I wanted to insert something else than what I originally made available at the last minute the last minute Yes. Yeah. Just go meal switch disco booty Booty booty Booty, podcast. 2.0 Running with Scissors spaghetti. That is my promo right there. We have since we changed this over on Tuesday. And then towards the end of the day, so like six o'clock on

Tuesday. PM. So since then. So you got was that Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Since then we've had 42,000 requests for the feed. What does that mean? That means it's been it's been asked it's, it's been polled 42,000 times. Okay, so that means we are about 18 listeners. Probably. These are mostly so here's this. These are the interesting stats. So podcast addict. Xavier's aggregator hit us about 8000 times. Antenna pod hit us about 2000.

There's one that it just it's just not these are not very good RSS wire. The wire is fine apps not using pod ping. Because the less the less polling the better. No. Oh, they do? Yes. Yes. Yeah, absolutely. Like podcast addict does. He's, he's paying but Oh, so it's maybe it's not maybe it's not polling, but it's when someone actually loads the loads the loads the feed that or you know,

it's like breeze when you hit breeze. It will load I believe it loads from the feed and not from the index for the for the listing. For the episodes. It loads from the index, or it gets information from the index. Yeah, I think a lot of the mobile apps did they'll hit the feed themselves just as a, like a double check. Okay, that makes sense. Cuz Casta Matic does that too. It's all on device. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Starkweather 3330 3330 SATs and hello to Shawn in Cape Town,

South Africa. Oh, nice. Yeah, we go global. We are baby. I'm glad we got that antenna pointed that direction. Yeah. Cast Matic. It is like one point. See that? 1200 times and overcast hit us about 1200 times. Anyway, just going through this because the interesting thing that we hit ourselves 1000 times. I think it is illegal. It's illegal in some states. I don't think yourself like that. But that's, that's interesting. Because it it's less, then some

are less than you would think and others are more. It's just interesting to see how many times we're getting polled from these various faiths and we were pretty low. I mean, we're 1000 we're like maybe 10th down on the world. Can you explain what you mean by not what you would expect? I don't understand what you're insinuating. I don't understand what I'm insinuating. I have no point of this is a curious walk down the down this line. Yeah, this is the thing with stats. It's like you're looking

at you extrapolate. I told you we had a, I sold a program to our clients when we had think new ideas in 96. Public Company, we had Reebok, Anheuser Busch big, big companies. And this was very early days. So they you know, of course, they want to understand what was happening. And so we sold them

ASAP. And ASAP was an acronym for advanced statistic Analysis Program, which was basically ripped, which is basically you got Webtrends Webtrends charts and then someone called you and walk you through it, but you can extrapolate it any way you want. So ASAP was grip with the pretty much wrap, grab pie with WC. WC, WC dash SL Yeah, exactly. Oh, man, let's Brett is branded ASAP and make a million dollars. Pretty much did that. So let's see. So, you know, I think I

need to switch. The Sovereign thinks the seats thing is is going to work out fine. I think I should probably switch my son's band thing. Oh, here's the here's a question. And I'm just throwing it out there. Since we have the web hooks working? I mean, is it crazy to say hey, you know, let's connect it to people's Dropbox. I think there's a way to do that. Not a bad idea. Does Dropbox do traffic? I'm pretty sure that they have it in they have a facility and there's other. I

think there's other tools. I've seen that upload something to Dropbox. Maybe the chat room knows, but I think I've seen that, or any or any other storage. Would they bitch at you if you had like, I have no idea in 1000 downloads a day? I don't know, if you have 10,000 downloads a day, you might want to go to a bigger host anyway. Sure. Maybe that way you get you get white glove service?

No, no, you actually get the opposite. The bigger the bigger the podcast, you are the hosting companies begin to hate you more. It's costing us so much money. True. That's true. But I was thinking, you know, with torque with torque con was my son's ban. Like, I want to add the medium tag to that. And so I should put it in sovereign sovereign states has medium tag, right?

I believe so. There's actually a thread that was going on with Steven B. I think, sir Spencer, maybe someone else about using the medium tag, you know, obviously for it certainly for initial initial purposes, you know, when you hit a feed that says music, then it should present a somewhat different experience. A different way to look at it. I've been thinking a lot about music 2.0 Let me just meet to let me let me just fuck it all up by coming up with another brand that we can't

register a domain name for or anything like that. Okay, we'll just call it music. 2.0 Nobody's ever tried to use that before has no, I think we all saw the YouTube that was posted about it from Ted Joya clips. Oh, good, good, good. Oh, wow, that's even better. Why don't we get into that, and then we can talk about it. Because, okay, and this comes kind of on the heels of something else, you know, there was a story that escorts are using some hosts to

upload advertisements. And, and this is not unique to the, to this business, you know, growing up in Amsterdam, but also Internet in the early days crossover. Also, they were then this was what we what we call a sex club, and the red light district would basically just stage shows. I have a funny story about that for another time, maybe another podcast. But I knew a lot of these guys, because they were just nerds who kind of slipped into this business. And it was the, you

know, the porn business was the first with live streaming. And they were monetized. And they were they were honest, still your innovation comes from usually Yeah, and a lot of it did actually. And so I wasn't surprised to see, especially when Backpage had to close this was the the change of section 230 which is which kind of allows that kind of stuff. Without any government intervention, they made a change to it, which has been abused now to for all kinds of takedowns

etc. But that's, that's hosta is the name of that foster. Thank you. But that's kind of Yeah, where was I going with this? You were helping music Music 2.0 Yeah, nobody by the reason I owe the escorts. So that's cool. So I wasn't surprised that they would find a way to, you know, spam a podcast host. The only thing that is, is baffling to me is that none of these are actual podcasts. They care. So content. I know that I mean, did have like an empty mp3

file, right? It's just, like some static or something like that. Yeah. I mean, is there even has to be an enclosure, I presume? It's like, why it's a totally valid podcast, if you add some content to it. I mean, why would I? Why would it be wrong for an escort within the boundaries of the law to, to advertise in that manner? Is that any different than the Ford? F 150? Lightning podcast? No, no, little did I know, what

do you mean, it's different? I mean, like, from a technical standpoint, and from a philosophical standpoint, know from the ethical standpoint. What it'll differ, what do you mean, what what is the what is the difference? I mean, taking into account any, any local laws, etc, maybe nudity displaying on album art, which most of them are all obfuscated by phone numbers anyway. difference, the difference being that there when you when you

have an ad for a lot for an F 150? Lightning? You're never you never have to wonder if the if that particular f 150 has been, like, exploited and being used would be against his will? Well, hold on, hold on a second. Um, okay. Wow, that's a big statement. And I would I would, I mean, you can we can delve into that. But I'm talking not about an ad, I'm talking about a podcast. So instead of escorts uploading an ad, was just album art with

your phone number on it. Why not make a podcast if you're serious about your clientele? Remember, I grew up in Amsterdam, so I have a different view of prostitution. Of course, there's all kinds of issues, but I've seen how it can work quite well. In regards to protection for for the sex workers. And I think a yeah, you can say, well, of course, there's been no

abuse for the Ford F 150. Well, let's talk about some of the suppliers and where the parts come from, and, you know, children who are abused or Uyghurs or whatever and we can that's true. I don't think that's a valid. Well, that's the right path to go down. All I'm saying is, they came so close to doing something incredibly unique. Because you can you can, you can do an audio podcast and just say, Oh, hey, look, you know, you're in San Antonio. I'm just saying that just as a

coincidence, Steven B has nothing to do with you. You're in San Antonio. And, yeah, hey, hey, guys in San Antonio, you know, I'm Raven. And yeah. Here's something about me. I love reading books, you know, whatever it is. I'm just saying that would not have I would have fought for that to stay. And I think that they should probably pay for hosting for that. I mean, if you're providing a free tier

then okay. You don't want that as your free tier, because that's just you're not getting the value that the persons using it in that way that they're getting out of it. But yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying I think it's, I heard a lot of all well, let's get rid of it had an orc killing it. We know. Okay, totally. Because they're not podcast. It's bogus. But what if? What if? Would everyone's do the same thing? Would they pull the

plug? Would they jump to conclusions? Would they make the judgments about? Yeah, I don't know. Just, well, I've got to get now I've got thoughts. And my thoughts are not very different from yours. The actually. So I mean, I have gotten some stuff written down here that I'd done earlier in the week. And it's like, you know, the, the question is how to figure that out? Because that that's

where the difference comes from. And that's what I'm talking about when it comes to when it comes to a podcast about the F 150. You don't? You never had there's not even a question. You don't even have to figure it out. When it comes to a podcast or an escort service. You you have a moral responsibility to try to figure it out. And I'm not even talking I'm talking about beyond Fausta in the in the back page bill.

Like you because when you see me, there's probably some still in here because I've been going through and trying to try and I've been doing this exact process in like, let me just scroll down through here. Like here. Okay, here's the here's one. Escort confessions. That one's that's on the That's on podcast index. And I see no reason to take it down. Because it's a podcast about the sex worker industry. And it's so you're, you're making a you're making a content judgment call

that have you listened to every episode? Are you sure that no one has been abused? Who was interviewed, or I mean, I'm just saying that? No, no, no, it's more surfacey than that. No, it's more surfacing that so like they here's one to 60 Escort guide, we discuss everything fascinating the world of paid companionship, right. So you're going by descriptions. And so far, yeah, just just as a, as a cursory attempt to comply with with local law, because we have to comply with foster too.

And so the, as I'm going through here, didn't you see some that are, then you'll hit one that'll, and I can't find one yet. But, oh, here's an here's one diary of an escort. And my name is so and so I'm an escort here in San Francisco Bay, and blah, blah, blah. Like, then he Okay, here's one escort service in bunch Ara hills. And he gets a phone number. Now see, then now you've gotten out of the sort of realm of like document documentary and talking

about the content. And now you're talking about advertising a service with contact information, and there doesn't seem to be anything, any other point to it. And that's what I meant by, you have to figure out the difference between, okay, now, now, we've now it's, it's, it's the thing that we are facilitating a contact, and then is worth pasta, and all that stuff comes in, then you like at some point you feel like, well, hold on a second, because I want to understand what you

understand under Fausta. So facilitating a contact that that's where you have to draw the line? That was my understanding is you if you become like part of the chain inadvertently or on purpose? You can't, you have to remove that content. Because Because you cannot. Because you don't know whether or not at the end of on the other end of this thing. If there is sex

trafficking or exploitation that's happening. And that some of these look, they don't offer any sort of way to contact and they just look like sort of content about the person or the escort. But service in general, is advertising is the maybe we don't have to go too deep into this because I would have to you know this, not just foster this. So there's a whole bunch of other things that yeah, that we need to look at. But is it illegal to advertise your services as a sex worker?

That I don't know? See? I don't? I don't think so. And what I would hope not. I hope not. I'll be honest with you. I hope it's not because I think some people legitimately I don't think this I know this. Some men and women legitimately use this to put food on the table. Yeah. And that's not my analysis. No, that's not a place for me to judge it. Well, anyway. I think it's, it's, it's worth keeping in our mind that we that the, the podcast industry in general should

just be careful what we jump to conclusions about. Because it's very, especially if we're doing it with AI and stuff, it's very easy to delete something that could be a very sincere hey, here's what I do is I put food on the table, you can contact me, you know, maybe the email address that's not on the album RP. And I'm just saying there's different ways. And I think that there's any different from a lawyer who's talking about how great they are and contact me here. And here's, here's the

most recent case. I mean, if it's not illegal, right, and well, James on pod news, pod land yesterday said who is

censorship to remove these? Yes? Well, no, no, not I think, if it's a real if it's a podcast, and someone's doing a podcast and has an actual enclosure with, you know, the, what we deemed to be a podcast couple of episodes, you know, whatever, whatever that metric is at least three minutes, then I would not be so hasty and quite honestly, you know, very successful format is the only fans and we're not far from creating just that. Or at least that capability. No, seriously that capability.

So right now the general capability Yeah, As we're talking, yeah, especially with the payment mechanism built right in. So there's just such a fight like, I hate to get back to that was it? He was he was dependent the gods, did you? I don't know how to define porn. But you know, when you say, Oh, it was a senator. Yeah, I forget. I mean,

I don't want to go there. But it's, but it's pretty true. I mean, like, would when you the one on the ad I'm looking at right now, this advertised this clear spam podcast, it's clear, I say clear. It's clear to me. But the difference between the way this looks, and the way another podcast looks, that may be a particular sex worker, who is talking about what they do. And then also advertises their services as part of this thing? Yeah, let's just let's just say it's Las Vegas, where it's legal.

Perhaps, you know, I'm not gonna take that down. But I am gonna take this down. Because I totally understand that this is spam. All I'm saying is the industry in general, if the if that not our industry, if the sex worker industry is serious, they wouldn't be such idiots about this, because now they now they have everybody going, Oh, you're spamming your, your you're polluting the system.

Whereas if you thought for two seconds, about the power that open podcasts ecosystem provides, I think there's a way to make, you know, for your industry, it could be very successful in multiple ways. So that's all really I just, that's just a podcasting 2.0 tip on how to do so now. So now on the same tip, the the main thoughts I've had about music 2.0 Is the legality of it. And not the I'm not I don't mean, the legality means that I'm just looking at it from podcast

index. LLCs perspective. Okay. The last thing we need is Warner Brother, Warner Brothers going, Oh, that song. Yeah. Okay. It's, it's that person owns it has, you know, has, has not registered with a performing rights organization. So they can kind of do what they want with it distributed the way they want. But we're pretty sure that there's a link in there from, from a song that we had that we

own. And so we're going to, we're going to issue takedown requests, we're probably going to sue you, we might sue podcast index, we might sue the apps. This is the one thing that I'm worried about, not because we don't have the complete right and way to do it. But people will put up licensed music, someone will put up prints into their feed, and and they're going to start collecting stats for it. So how do we get around all of that? That's my biggest fear. We need lawyers 2.0.

I mean, that's kind of the tongue in cheek. But um, I mean, seriously, we need legal advice, right? Because I don't want that either. No, I want nothing to do No, no. And that's. So the problem is not that we are even considering anything illegal. The problem is the music industry will not go down without a fight, they will see anything that is an alternative system as a problem that may need to be eliminated, eliminated once we get big

enough. And maybe we can fly under the radar for a long time. It may not be a problem at all. There's there's lots of alternative music, sites and communities. But when you're when we are indexing things, when we are maintaining value block information, right? You know, this. I also don't want to have to go through discovery three times a week. Like all right, yeah. So where did this payment went? You know, so it's just that the music industry are dicks. So you're,

you're saying that they're gonna play dirty. I'm saying it's a possibility. And I want to, I want to protect everybody from that, you know, I really stopped doing the daily source code, because I was playing licensed music, without without being without even being able to pay the owners of it. And I didn't want to be made an example of because that's common. And this is, you know, and there's so many different laws

that come into play here. So, music online, there's statutory rates for streaming their statutory rates for the type of streaming that Spotify does, which is different from a live streaming playlist. At The podcasts are downloaded. So now that's what's called a mechanical right or sync, mechanical, right? There's Performing Rights, which would be kind of analogous to radio or playing it in the club or in a restaurant, you know, which one really applies. The reason why we can't put together music

shows as podcast is for all of these problems. So when people start putting full songs up, you better believe that there's going to be some scrutiny at some point. So if, if that's, I can imagine some technical ways to live limit that, okay, at least. Well, I mean, at least from a from the standpoint of, like putting some human eyeballs on it. One way is it the real problem is with the adding the value block and all that kind of thing, that's, that's when people start to get get itchy.

And so I could see, already get a notification every time somebody adds a value block to their feed. So I could see just putting in like an extra layer of this draws attention to new podcasts that go in to our system, where there's a value blog for a medium for a music, medium podcast, something like that, just just to take a look at it.

And when maybe we get outside, your crowdsource, that already knew when it goes in, gets gets like goes on a public feed where people can, can look at them and say, you know, hey, this is just this, this is just ripped off music, you know, this needs to be dealt with. Right, but just like identifying what's porn and what's advertising, identifying some stolen lick and a song that song right holder is going to come after it's not something that you and I can do. Or anybody can can do easily that

these things will be done after the fact. And unfortunately, the only real way to make sure that at least we have a system to get around this is when someone and maybe this happens through the apps, or through through hosting companies. I find the the onboarding of podcasters through fountain I find that fascinating. You know, I like that shit. I like it when you know, it's like Microsoft Word. Oh my god, I'm writing in Word

and I'm reading in Word. It's the same app. Yeah, he loved we'd probably need to have people who want to take advantage of this. Give us some form of light KYC? Yeah, for the for the producers, I think you're gonna have to have it. Because people have to deal dealing with licensed work. You know, it's it's, I mean, we don't have to, I'm just saying that's the best protection. You know, me I'm full steam ahead balls to the wall is rock and roll have been calling for this for a long time.

Well, so the other option is do it through partner with partner with other people who have the same desire, who already have already having CES. So I can like something like Bandcamp yes, there's a good idea or CD Baby, or what are those? What are those companies that distribute your stuff? Yeah, no, it's not. Yeah, I know, you're talking about? Yeah, if we get if we just get those people involved, you know, we, we can facilitate the NSA way. I mean, the podcasting 2.0

project already knows sort of what we're after. And we know how, you know, we want these things to look. And then we can just go to, you know, people like, I'm just gonna use Bandcamp all the time as a because I'm telling you tell me what Bandcamp does. And they're like, I mean, they're the indie indie release thing. So you, if you're an independent music artists, you can put your stuff up on Bandcamp. And you, you just sell it that way. All right, so let's, let's approach

Bandcamp somebody here knows Bandcamp. Let's approach them. Let's make them an onboarding partner. So in a funny way, it's kind of like Buzzsprout, integrating YouTube or Facebook. But, you know, have them integrate. So they do onboarding through their system and give them give them an automatic split like the index. Yeah, I mean, that's good. To me. That seems like a good way

to do it because you have the big negative. Yeah, and then you get they get the fate they just create a feed also an automat auto submit, they create the XML and just auto submitted to the index. I can love that. With a value block and everything. That's okay. I see that the chat room was flipping out. Alright guys, you know what to do? Because Dave and Adam don't know how to do this, um, don't know how to reach out. Yeah, I'm happy to do a phone call with anybody if you guys someone can

To set it up, that's the way to do it. Ah, okay. Well, Meeting adjourned. That was a good board meeting everybody. Yeah, I think that in you know that another global problem. Yes. Ukraine's next we, you know, we that video you're talking about how to lie. There was it was it was one of those where I kept waffling back and forth between, between Yes, I agree. Totally agree with that. And, well, at the end, it kind of fell apart for me, but a

lot of what they said in, in in between. I was like, yeah, yeah, you guys see you guys see it that just a little? They can't imagine? Well, I don't want I don't want to blow your clips here. So take me take us through it. And oh, no, it's you're not gonna learn anything. I just wanted to draw a couple of things. Because I've been thinking a lot about this. I mean, we thought about music.

People know anyway, but then one sort of line of thinking they went down that got me sort of realizing what the real benefit is of podcasting, as music, or maybe music as podcasting. Play clip, the feature of music clip for almost

my word, my stats just blew up. Just the showcase. Alma, I think four is the right one, because I've kind of lost track of what what all I clipped But and if I'm if I'm not mistaken, so they go off on this little thing about whether or not the current generations have a love of music. And if they don't, like, Why, what did that? What was the reason behind? Whether behind what the current music culture is, and they give lots and lots of anecdotes and that kind of

thing? But I think clip four is it. People don't love music as much as they used to. I know, that seems like an extraordinary generalization about that about Gen Z ers Don't you know, I've died. This is just my own. You know, from talking to kids. I talked to kids all the time, I have young kids, I talked to their friends, and they're just not engaged in music. Okay, Boomer, and multi part of it.

I think and sting said this to the fact that you can just turn on a water faucet, you can get access to anything and through streaming, whereas before you used to buy albums and cherish them and own them. Absolutely. And there's something to that, right. And I don't, and I'm not going to I'm not going to be the old man yelling at the clouds or get off my lawn. I don't blame

these people, because I think we have not served them well. And we have not given them a music culture that can engage them to the extent that they're capable of being engaged. And this goes back to my fundamental belief that people want to have mind expanding experiences, and they want these transformative experiences from music. And I believe that the power brokers in the music business are letting them down. They're preventing, preventing, by the

things that they're that they are pushing, essentially. So I'm not blaming, I'm not blaming the young uns No, I think there's way there. I mean, to me, they're not engaged because the things that they're hearing are not engaging. Absolutely. Our generation is as much to blame, if not more so than this and or maybe the people of middle younger than us, I don't know. But still, it's the decision makers that are creating the musical culture.

Yeah, I don't care about blaming certain generations on the kind of stuff that's irrelevant, but I think they hit on the, the hit on the like, the tighter point at the end, like my kids. And maybe I'm an anomaly but I don't think I am my kids love music. They love they love it to death. My both both my kids are in are in bands. My youngest, both my older kids, my youngest daughter, my third, she's a drummer. She's, she's probably gonna be in a band, you know, as soon as

she can. My oldest daughter she is she takes she has taken a second job at a local brewery that does live music, pretty, pretty decent size acts like they had Smashing Pumpkins a couple of weeks ago. And she took that job as a second job just so that she could get free access to see all the shows. And which was a great idea but she like they love music to death and I think they what they hit on the at the end is right. It's not that this generation doesn't love music. It's that

they don't love this music. They don't love the music they're getting now because that's that's just a choice. If imitation of the real thing, so to speak so much like you, they, it's not that they don't love it, it's they love it too much. You can't, you can't not love music, it's it's deep in the soul of man. The issue is that they love it too much to settle for things that that are just imitations or, you know,

knock offs. To me. Well, well, there's a, I mean, it's not dissimilar to podcasting in a way where this this entire group of decision makers and money and big budgets, who probably get the majority of the advertising the brand advertising and yeah, what's the usual suspects? You know, there's a little bit of Spotify in there, but I think Sirius XM I heart wondery, you know, these kinds of outfits, where, you know, decision makers are making stuff and a lot of it is extremely

good. But as always, and I go back to my AOL example, when you have when you have kind of, oh, here's the groovy garden. And here's all the all the stuff people say, Well, can I go look at the swamp? Can I go on the internet? Can I get a web browser? And then, you know, they got the web browser, and then AOL became a dial up company, because people just love. That's what that's why podcasting successful. It was initially that we don't need no stinking transmitters, we don't

need the big booming, powerful voice. We don't need the big studios, we just need to have a way to record and distribute, then the shittiest sounding shows are some of the most popular, the people who have kind of No, no, no audio presence and a voice or stick can still be very popular. Now what is popular is the essence to me of podcasting. 2.0. We're, we're popular in our group with what we do, we're kind of the only people who are doing what we do. And we're

supported by the people who are interested in hanging around. No agenda has its own group, there's crossover, but it's certainly not the same thing. Music can survive very well. But these guys, they still kind of caught up in the old system. Because who ultimately has the power, of course, it's the content creators. But what they've not had is an easy way to see immediate results. With people valuing their work. It's still stats, you know, this is

where we are with podcasting. We're still on 1.0 land, well, I got some stats, I got 4000 here and 5000. Here, my show is growing, you know, whatever that means. That what you want is you

want the interaction you want. Of course you want some of the staples, which is what they're kind of hung up on physical product, because I watched the whole interview, like, well, you know, since we don't have the physical product, you still need to sell I'm like super vinyl that's registered on the blockchain, like, Okay, once you guys go home, that was done.

Yes, same. But the, and I've done it, and you've seen it yourself, I just want to take you back to when we first started with our first value block, without splits or anything. And we immediately saw Satoshis rolling in, we immediately saw that I mean, my friends, you know, who are in the finance business, they were flipping out. Like, this is amazing. I can't believe this is actually happening micro payments, and it's in real time

and it's happening. And we're taking this shit for granted the the joy outside of the just the fact that it's working, which is unprecedented. The joy of seeing now that we have the tools of seeing this little bits and bobs of value coming in, is something that musicians crave deep in their souls, that's what you want you even if it's five people who show up to the gig, and you know, Hey, man, I love that, you know, and two of them are the girlfriends of the drummer, the bass player, it

doesn't matter. That's That's where 2.0 is going to be so exciting. And take into account all of the features that we have. Hello Bandcamp I hope you're listening. Take all the features into account of chapters and links. I mean, you can you can literally have a link to your merch for a certain song or the credits, liner notes, another you know forgotten thing. Lyrics turns into no transcript can be used for lyrics. It's perfect to create a full product that

people will happily stream sets for. Well credits to the person tag for you know, the producers. Yes, the sound engineer and yeah, all of this stuff. Now it's the medium of podcast is perfect is not only perfect on a 10. To me, it's not only perfect on a technical from a technical standpoint, I just had an idea to just another. You could literally hit me you could literally do a sub stack of your album. Yeah. Oh yeah, he totally

could. And that turned that's the the output an RSS feed. And then kind of the responsibility of that Shit is a little more on substack than anybody else. Well, every blog post is is a track or something like that, you know? Or may, like, yeah, you could do they really need, what they really need to do is adopt the medium tag, and then that's it. That's it, we can change the music business overnight.

That will, the, the, the part about physical sales, I think, um, that resonates with me, because the, the physical part of it again, it resonates me because I look at my own kids. And I look at my own kids, and I look at just some raw human behavior. So for one weird anecdote is well, I don't want to say this. One thing that's been stripped of the of the world sort of bit by bit, and it just continues to get worse, is the stripping away

of ceremony. Like, there's no, there's no liturgy that's attached to the modern world anymore. You going deep with me here today? But let's, let's explore these thoughts you're having, um, can I invite you to my moment, please, I'd like to thank you in advance for this moment. And the liturgy. And this is a problem within if you want to, if you want to explore this topic in the in the Christian world.

Look, Read. Read Charles Taylor, he's got a lot, he's done a lot of work on this about the stripping away of sort of high church and liturgy, from religion and spirituality. What you're left with is, is a religion that doesn't serve its most basic purpose. It doesn't fulfill the roles that it purports to, in and I think that's, there's a product that I think is it can be applied, much broader than just religion. I think music is also another victim of that.

There used to be they talk a lot about the ceremony or the you know, the the experience of going to the music store and buying an album. Yes, yep. Yes, that was a very meaningful thing. And what I see now happening is, the younger generation is the return of vinyl and CDs, and even freaking cassette tapes. That I think is a crying out for attaching a ceremony, or a meaningful action to the act of a thing that they love. They love music, but it's not just enough to have the music they

want. They want an ability. I think we as humans, we want some sort of, I just keep using the word ceremony. And here's a here's a weird example of that. Have you seen the booster gram confetti? Yes, that ceremony. Yes, that's total ceremony. And we have it in podcasts and 2.0. And we need something similar. I mean, that's just one of the many things I'm totally I'm totally with you on this. If you put in a in a refrigerator, if you put in a bunch of drinks, and then some of them

if you put a bunch of cokes in there. And then a few of them are a bottle with a cap that you have to pop with a thing. Pop with a bottle opener. Z most people especially young people will go for those first. Because they want there's this experience of you gotta get the bottle, you'll find a bottle opener, pop, pop the top there's like this, this thing inside of you that's like you your weight. You have to go through the experience and go through the

ceremony to to then be able to get the content. Now I need to give you an analogue to this. Okay, Tina and I my wife we started a podcast Korean the keeper and it was really just a fun way for us to chat. I thought she would be good and she's have created a pod monster Apparently, she just changed her LinkedIn. She added podcast professional and but we launched it only with the index so no submission to any service. no ads, no Pay Pal only only boosts and booster

grabs. And what you just described is exactly what is happening to people who are saying oh, we really want to donate but I don't understand how this works. It's where do I get the Bitcoin? How do I get you know, how do I get it to lightning? Why Why can't I buy bitcoin with my credit card? Seeing my debit card what with a credit card is never works, debit. So all of these different hoops, and then when they do it, and they succeed. Oh my god, big time liturgy on the show. Yeah.

Because they went through a whole thing to do this to support. And now there's a constant that is anchored in their mind is a constant reminder of this happy moment when it's exceeded every single time they hit the boost button. That's a cool, yeah, that is a good analogy. The Nathan, Nathan Gaither, I went through that the other day, he sort of on boarded himself into the lightning ecosystem. He's you know, he's the developer of pod dot link. And I think he's at Spotify now.

But he went through, went through the process of that and and then wrote it up into a into a nice little blog. Oh, yes, I put that in the show notes. Exactly. It's, what do you call it? A listeners guide to booster grams? Yeah, yeah. No, I love that. I've retweeted the heck out of that. Absolutely. So, yeah, there's there's that whole is like if, and that's what we can. So podcasting is perfectly suited to sort of move into that not not necessarily the physical because I don't think I don't

think it's just about the physical nature of it. I do think people like it, and I think it helps. Just because of the way humans work, but, but I don't, but I think it can also be done within the realms of, you know, of the digital world. Because what's really going on there, I think, is limits. When I don't think humans operate very well, when there's no limits. I think it's confusing. I don't think the world makes

much sense. Because we I think we expect limits and when there's not any think I think we kind of glitch out a little bit and when you realize the nature of podcasting is people are used to like you're waiting for the next episode to drop in. It's, it's a, it's something that's built into podcasting is waiting, and then you you experience the episode, and then it ends. And then you start the process of waiting again, it's a it is a very ceremonial experience. You see the new episode pop up on

your on your phone, and you get excited. This is this is a podcast that I love and oh, there's a new one. Yeah, and I think the the, like, me and my son went to went to the Black Label society concert they played here in Birmingham, and, you know, black labels, don't Zakk Wylde. Oh, I know. I know, Zach. Sure. Yeah. Is that his band in so they've, they came to came to Birmingham, and played here at art city. And it was awesome. I hadn't been to a metal concert in about four

years. And he's a big fan. So I'm on so we went there. By the by the way, being in a wheelchair. That's the best way to get it. Right to the front, baby. How was our cripple doing? How's he doing? Yeah, he's doing good. He got off the walker for the first time Tuesday. So he is on his own two legs to one wobbly leg but but he's on his own. He's on his own two legs. We should probably say that. Obviously. being bound to a wheelchair kind of sucks. If

it's if it's forever. Yes, it does for sure. Just trying to be woke about that for a moment. Thank you. Yes. I was being very able. A very a very a most of you sir. But I won't say that the perks were nice for temporary. They were very, we we went straight to the front anyway, it was it was a great concert. And you know, the the, they were saying our merchandise is in the back CDs and stuff are in the back like and stuff like that.

That whole thing is like you're going to MIT. You're going to you're going to miss this this moment if you if you don't participate. And then afterwards like I was so impressed by the setlist I'm sort of rambling here but I was so impressed by the setlist because they got a big catalog and I was like well, this this setlist was beautiful it was like this perfect

encapsulation of their catalogue. And so I went in inbuilt a Spotify playlist of this setlist from the from the concert and then as I started playing it and after the first song was over, I just turned it off. I'm like you know what? I'm going to consume this setlist this playlist slowly. I'm not going to blow through it. So I'll just every couple of days I'll I'll play the next track because there's this fear that I had

inside that you're you built. I built this plan I had this experience at the con Sir, I have a beautiful playlist of Black Label society. And then I built the playlist. And now I can just do it over and over and over until I make myself sick. And I don't want to do that. And the only way to preserve that is, is with some limitations. You gotta, you gotta put some limits on things. And well, so what you what you're describing is a whole bunch of things. I think there's it's perfectly valid for

musicians to also delay release. Yes, yes. And the escorts also think that's a good thing. By the hour, Yeah, not bad, right. You're professional. I'd love to see one of our app developers grab this, you know, we have we have the product, we have a ball in the wolf, there's, there's others, we have the the basics are out there. We just need a, an example, we can show to potential partner onboarding companies like like Bandcamp and

say, Hey, here's, here's what it will result in. And then with the with the obvious end, by the way, you know, for your part, now, we'll add a split in, we'll add a split in the value block thing, as long as you're transparent about it. And of course, anybody wants to go and your usual caveat, if anybody wants to go off and create their own feed and keep keep all the stats to themselves, and they can do that, too. Yeah,

absolutely. I think we're, I think treating, treating the indie platforms as who are already sort of doing this, treating them the same way we would treat like a podcast hosting company. It just makes sense. Because they're onboarding people already. They have the pipeline. And you have to sort of tap into an existing pipeline in order to get people in order to get the content in there. That now I think it makes perfect sense. I just wish we had a different word than indie.

I know you hate that word. To use autonomous. Sovereign. I love sovereign but you know, it sounds so formal. Yeah. So standing self govern these self ruling. freeborn ruling. I'm a big fan of self ruling music, unsupervised. I like unsual I'm gonna use unsupervised. unsupervised. podcasters and unsupervised. That's truly what it is. They're unsupervised. Free Range. Indie. Just sounds like a bad belly button. You know, I don't know it's something weird.

I don't like it. I'm supervised. I'm gonna Oh, you mean unsupervised? Yes, exactly. Free. I like free range music free range. Oh, also good. I'll take that free range music Hold on a second. Craft music. Hold on a second. Let's see if we can find this free range. We'll just go with the.com See how we do. So you're gonna nail it. You're gonna get it? I don't think so. Man free range. music.com. That may be hard. Almost. Yeah, I got I believe in.

Almost like, ah, free range. music.com. I think I'm already we go. We're checking the database. Yeah, let's take no, yeah. That's no good. foiled. Yeah. Well, anyway, it's a good idea. There's enough people listening to I think to make this happen. What we need is, we need an example. And if there's an example, I can show examples, people can show examples. We can talk about it, we can tweet about it, we can we can make it happen. Somewhere. Someone out there know somebody at bandcamp

Yeah, I think so. They may be amazing. Maybe I can dive into some of my sovereign beats. So I like that sovereign. I'll delve into my context to Yes, I mean, we, if we just have some, I think like all we need in order to kickstart the music 2.0 podcasting is just we need a, a some small size pipeline, it doesn't have to be a huge one, just some legitimate pipeline.

Like my muscles, music, his metal band, you know, they got on Spotify, and they were really excited because that's where, like, that's, that's where everybody is, is and so if we just have some sort of pipeline in no matter who which service it is, or somebody that's out there already doing it that has the ability to onboard, then that creates a little bit of excitement and people will begin to want to do it, I think. Did

your son register with NASCAR? NASCAR with ASCAP or BMI for his songs are they Just know Okay, all right. Cool. That's good to know. It's on Bandcamp too, I think. I think he's on there. He's on their own to have him send a note to somebody. Hey, yeah, I need an RSS feed from y'all. Yeah, I mean, like the return of vinyl. That's a real thing. I had no idea how big that was. Yeah, my daughter's into it too. Oh, man, my daughter she sent me a texted me a picture the other day on our way back from

from the from the store. She just sent me a random texts and how good of a hall she got. And it was this picture of like six different vinyl albums. Nice. Well, yeah, but there's more. There's more to it than that. Because, you know, the idea that, that the music business is controlled and they determined

the culture. Yeah, to a large degree what you see, but that's not really I mean, it's a gross overstatement and generalization to say, you know, for them to say kids don't listen to don't appreciate etc, etc. Yeah. Andy Fletcher, who I knew quite well and in 1981 He passed away yesterday. Yeah, he's the keyboard player for Depeche Mode. And, you know, we hung out a bit in Amsterdam when I was at

pirate radio station, then they Dutch know the British. But then later when I was doing countdown and of course they were on the show. So this there was kind of a now Hey, how you doing type thing over the years? And it seems only 60 But I got messages from my daughter from my stepdaughter. It's 25 yet from a lot of younger people saying ha That's sucks you know, I love just can't get enough or personal Jesus or you know,

there's so many different cool Depeche Mode songs. So, you know, there's my daughter's the same way she knows all the music that out would that was popular when I was a kid. Tons of it. Yeah. I mean, she she just like she knows. It's, it's getting increasingly more difficult for me to send her music that she hasn't heard, like, you know, because I'm like, Hey, have you heard you know? Oh, do you know so? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I know them. I've got, you know, it's like, yeah, they love music.

They just like good music. I'll never forget when was it? I will to Christina. I'm looking it up here. I took receipt to see Stevie Wonder, gosh, must be six years ago. Yeah, probably six years ago. He was in Austin. And it was great. Greg Phillinganes. He was the musical director, you know, and, and they would get, you know, local musicians to do some string instruments. So the whole thing was great. And,

and Stevie Wonder launches into pastime paradise. You know, Dune, Dune, you know, live in Moana most time living in, right. And Christina goes, Oh my God, that's just so awesome. He's doing Coolio. Coolio is Gangster's Paradise with Me. I was the same lira. Right? Yeah, we're the same, the same track, basically. And I was just like, oh, okay, I think I need to introduce you to Songs in the Key of Life. So yes, yes. Understand where this is all

coming from. This is very exciting, Dave, I didn't know we'd actually be talking about this today in this in this depth, but feels like we're kind of getting there. And this just there's enough interest and my goodness, how many people have not approached me about it? Like, how do I do this for music? And you and I have a different link on value for value.io. But it's what people need to see as a real example. And a mind boggling UI that just goes oh, okay, I see

it. And what's this boost? Oh, okay. I get it. We also need an a pipeline. I totally agree with the pipeline. I don't know if there's a smaller group we can work with, you know, hold on a second. Who was it that showed up? The guy who he was he's on the social? He showed up? He used to have the, like podsafe music type stuff or bad belly button music? I don't think that was it. A No. Kill your film. The translators handle that because I just know is avatar.

Well, he'd be the perfect guy to get to dive into this. Yeah, I asked him about I asked him about Bandcamp this morning. What what what was their like? What's their their sitch? What's their? What's their status? Yeah. How do they do things? And he didn't reply, but I think you know, you're right. That would be a good, good way to go. Because he just posted something today about some new track. Okay. I guess it's I don't know if it's

his or somebody else. But the main thing is we need to be able to show an interface that is not a podcast app showing music tracks. That was gonna be another thing I was gonna say like you need you need a pipeline and then you also need the in the endpoint, which is a bet which is a music focused podcast app. Yep. Or only shows music or just some or just something that if it hits Music Media and music medium tag that changes bit shape shifts. It Jason Evangelia This is a go. Yep.

Yeah, yeah, exactly shape shape shifter. But it would it would be nice, though, to have just one just a dedicated, I'm thinking breeze how breeze only shows value at feeds. Another one that only shows music fee. Ah, well, Roy has been waiting to do this. Really? Yeah, I've been talking to t what he said, hey, we'll go out and we'll raise money for it. I said, No. No, we're not gonna do that. I'm gonna He's just being sweet, this typical ROI.

But no, I think he's ready to do that. And yeah, now that we've kind of figured out the onboarding problem, which was so obvious. Now that I look at it like, Oh, of course, we need other people to create the feeds. People who already do this, who already talked to the artists who already curate who are looking for any avenue? Any Avenue? Yes. I think yeah. It's funny. I feel like we're close, but so far away. I wasn't gonna do just one of those close and close it. Same thing I wanted to

mention, I got a hold. It's really, you know, I think I spoke on the last episode about the new road caster Pro. Coming out, and you get it. Do you have it? No, of course not. Someone hates me. Now, I've never I've tried to reach out to that company. I've, you know, of course I have. Here's what I think they're completely aware of who I am. I probably wouldn't give a device to Adam curry to review either unless I really, really, really, really knew that he was gonna like it.

He, it's because you know, me, I'd be like, Oh, this sucks piece of shit. Yeah, and it's like playing a rinky dink team when you're the big guy and football. You just don't give that, you know, you probably better not even play because what if you lose? But no, it's of course, they gave it to a whole bunch of YouTubers. So there's tons of review videos and in varying degrees of detail. But there was I was actually one video, I think the guy might be

like a retail or dealer of equipment. And he got he had a slideshow, which was the training video from Rode itself. And so he he didn't actually have the device there to show but he had all the screenshots too. I think they I think they nailed it. I think they really really nailed it this time i pre ordered one, of course. Well, how long is it going to take you to get to June 18? I think is when, when, when they're all available or will have been shipped by that date or

whatever. Much Is it? 699. So it's high. It's more than I think the old one was, is more than the old one that that maybe 100 bucks more. Okay, no, it's about the same. It's for what it is. And as you know, podcasts are pro was a device that I developed with the surgeon, and we weren't able to take it into production. But even if we had and it was working, you know, it was it was a real device.

We could never get the price point to 699. With this with the with the physical box they have and you know, they've got a pretty powerful Quad Core processor in there dedicated to DSP. They're doing some good stuff. I'm very excited about it. I really, do you think it actually has the busing? And I think it does. Yep. It seems like it's got all the stuff that would that I even MIDI control. So you can use MIDI for it. You'd use that for triggers.

Yeah. So if you were to see my setup, I have seven players and just one what is it like just one strip above the top of one screen. And so I've literally been I have a like the plate as like a bin open next to it. So there's your clips or whatever else clips we

have. And so I can I drag whatever track it is into whatever player I want to use that I have a very small the cork Korg nano control two, which is just a MIDI, just a MIDI controller mixer with it's very, it's like it's like the size of a, I don't know, one of those children's instruments where you blow in one end and it has a keyboard on it looks a bit like that. And so I have a button that's mapped to start to stop and one to dump so it dumps the clip out and so I can drag another one in and

typing aren't really proficient with that. So that that triggers by a MIDI. Now I could remove this keyboard and just trigger all that from the device itself. Oh, and and also the volume, the volume is also controlled by a MIDI, so, but I really don't do much with the volume on the individual tracks. Anyway, everything's configurable, it looks good, they've got a big promise they're making, they're

making a big noise about it. And from what I can tell, you know, remind you they own a fax and all this other gear that they've that they've jammed in there for processing, it seems like it's the business. You know, it'll be it'll be interesting. Um, you know, because I would like something like that, too. Because what I want is for my EVO for a love this little device, but I would love for it to convert it into my travel device, and then have

something more permanent on the desk. I think, I think you'll want you'll want one of these. Okay, yeah, you want one? And then you know, God forbid, you can start your own clips. You, you told me at one point, you're like, Yeah, you need to be able to do your own clips. I think he thought better of that. I don't know. Like, no, no one I work with, does it.

I don't know. I don't know if the sound because you know, you'll be coming through the clips will be coming through a channel that is eacute for your microphone. We need to try it one day, I would like to try it for the experience of trying to get better and doing well. Here's how it would work, I would have to almost remove my processing, you would need to do your because I need to have pretty much a clean signal coming in from you, which means it's not

clean. It's got to be processing your mic. And everything's got to be set up. Which of course I'm going to do with you. Yes, yeah. I could noise gate myself and all that kind of stuff. Right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that important kind of junk. Yeah. But we got to tune the sound. Yeah. Straight. So I would have straight pipe. Yeah, I'll tell you here's an idea. Value for value, baby. We've been talking about it throughout

the entire show. This podcast, this project, all the servers that you hear humming in the background, that Cloudflare stat machine we've got all of that comes from value returned to us for the project itself by many of the stakeholders. But of course people just want to see podcasting 2.0 and all 2.0 systems moving forward. For the what was the term we were using unsupervised? Or unsupervised? Unsupervised content providers of the universe. So if you get any value out of this just put it

into numbers return it back to us couple of ways to do it. Go to podcast index.org At the bottom you see a link you can support us through PayPal on chain Bitcoin and you just heard a boost to Graham come in. This is the preferred way. Go to new podcast apps.com Or if you want if you're one of those escorts go to new podcast. apps.com say alternative onboarding. Yes. And I'll also put in today's show notes. That link it's already in there.

The user's guide the listeners guide to booster grams. And of course, you can always hit me up if you're having trouble getting to Bitcoin to SATs and SATs into the app and Adam mccurry.com Happy to help. I want to kick it off with a couple of booster grams that came in during the live show if that's okay. Yeah, man Be my guest. We got brochures we got see Brooklyn 112 was the RO ducks 2222 with a boost. Chad Ferro 10,000 SATs Hello Chad. What's a o l might need a new example. I'm 33 Never

use a O L Okay. All right. You didn't have to hurt me. Noted. Noted servo just came in with 2222 Carolyn 9999 Go free range music Yeah, free range music 2.0 We have Brando sellers with 30 SATs Come on, man. What are you doing with this? 30 sets? Nomad Joe do

it live thanks. He says 1222 There's Carolyn with 9999 again had an idea because I think approaching individual music labels and your artists who are on Bandcamp directly to integrate podcasting 2.0 I want Bandcamp to do it Bandcamp needs to create they need to be in charge of figuring out the RSS feed creation and by the way, we can point them to a number of outstanding developers who might have time to help them with that. She does another 9999 sat boosts Carolyn does Oh Carolyn, and

it's cool because these come in as PC two. Oh 87 Live cool. I would love to see Bandcamp on podcasting 2.0 That'd be so amazing. Let's run with scissors everyone. Ambitious 500 SATs I have to call Karin back at works and karma frowny face. Sorry about that man floydian slips 500 Sats are we talking about Ford F 150s And Ford escorts? Well done Rando sellers 100 SATs boosting live with POD verse. I just want to say I don't know what's going on with POD verse.

The pod verse boosts are really low. The numbers are always 10 or 30 sat. What is this Mitch? That Mitch? dashpot verse and I mean what is this chat room? Can you fix that? Yeah, what it's a default I don't know. Make them bigger Yeah, make the defaults bigger. 77 Seven D seven SATs from see Brooklyn 112 against sovereign beats. Yep. All right on the tip. With 10,000 daily downloads use IPFS podcast IPFS podcasting for hosting says Freudian slips

of course. Why not? It would work would work well I think let's see. Ambitious again. 1234 a bit of a dumbass trying to figure out how to get live audio AI dot cooking for life homies. Calm Congress or bloggers ad has gone viral somehow. We got we read the one from Tom Starkweather from Sean who's in Cape Town. Hard Hat 22,222. Nice boost. Thank you. And Mike Newman. 77,777 SATs boosting while listening alive from i 27. Just south of Amarillo driving with y'all scissors loves lit

Yeah. Driving with tremely dangerous. And then Stephen B from the pre show 7714 which he says is $2.22. So it is technically a pre show Fiat little row of ducks. And it says, Oh, hey Dave, can we please get an API endpoint that returns feeds based on a search term as well as the media type. We want to build and build a music app player but need the search results to only return fees that have podcast medium music podcast medium backslash,

close the brackets. Well, isn't that coincidental? It sure is. And I'm sending myself an email about that right now. I am excited about that. In point four medium, we want search with medium tag. Filtering. floydian slips came in two hours ago with 3456. I'm chronicling my journey, starting a value for value podcast at podcasting for value. Thanks for all you do you non birthing persons. Okay. And there's Martin greetings from Denmark

4321 SATs he takes, takes it in the other direction. And the last one is well that's my delimiter that's comic strip blogger. So that's where I stop and I'll just add that last boostin which is from the NA millennial 5000 SATs. Hi, I'm Adam curry and I love listening to millennial media offensive. No, that's, that's our way to do it. What did they call that? What do they call those in the biz? Is that like a bumper promo? Promo Pro? Just a promo? Okay.

Let's say more like an ID. Hey, can you do an ID and so this is where we had to pay a sting. Can you do a I love my MTV. I want my MTV. Oh, and can you ID yourself first please. That's always a stupid question. Okay, so Id yourself and then say this. Okay, so it's like, this is this is Dave Jones. I love listening to K rock 97 in Detroit in a simple like that. Yeah. And typically you sit down for a whole morning and you go, Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I love listening to Z 100 in New York.

Hey, I'm Dave Jones. I love listening to W a PE the big ape and Jackson for like three hours. Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So thank you all for those. Those booths, those very nice some good booths in there and once again, shows the live boosting is well worth the effort. Yeah, and I love how they I love how they're getting the boost bus working and they come through in the chat. It's so cool.

So then I got you know, I've got to get back to find get some more this API doing a lot API works and get some more of this API work get out of the way then I can get back to the MK Ultra stuff. Where I think we can pull it all back together. Yeah, more MK Ultra in my life please. Yeah, I should probably not say it just like that. What is it? What is MK Ultra again, I forget

what product is this? That's that's like hella pad combined with live chat and in comments and it's like the aggregator for all of this stuff into one Like a lot where you can throw it on your umbrella and then just live have a live thing. Doing all that with all the pieces. Oh, wow. And that's, that's going to be a separate app called MK Ultra or will it be integrated into helipad? Now it's a separate app. Because

it's a different it's really a different thing. The elbow pads, really a bookkeeping app, and so are sort of whatever you want to call it. But the MK Ultra is, we were playing with it before when I was building it. And the skeleton is still there. I just haven't gone back to yet. But it'll, you know, it'll, it'll have the live stream. It's meant to just like publish as a page and then where and then everybody can interact with it. Your listeners can listen to the live stream. Okay. Yeah, boost.

Okay. Yes. And that's gonna, that's gonna be something for the Umbral. Yeah, I think it's, I think it makes sense to publish it as an umbrella app first, but then it'll be It'll be just like help add, you can run it on your own box, too. And then, and then, how does it How does it show up on a webpage? Well, you make your view and make your Umbral visible to the outside. Okay, got it. You know, this is running on a separate port, so you can lock down the port and it could also run over

Tor. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It could, it could run crappy over Tor, just like everything. Hey, man, ever since I loaded tail tail scale, I have never looked back. How does that is, that's working good for you, oh, oh, it's nothing but awesome stuff about it. And the way I have it set up, because you can you can put the app on your phone. And then you can say, okay, you can also say all DNS goes through

is basically a virtual network of VPN. And you can designate which machine will be the DNS server, which of course, I is an umbrella running pile. And what I've discovered is that actually, using the piehole, as the exit node, kind of gives me a good result on my phone. So and the only thing it's kind of weird, is if you use any type of geolocation, which I have turned off, but sometimes like, I do

have a use a mapping an open source mapping program. And it'll try to detect where I am. And of course, it's always saying that I'm home, because my exit node is home. So there's kind of that extra benefit to it that you know, it's not necessarily webpages aren't necessarily tracking me to my location all the time, because they have you know, cell phone points or Wi Fi or any of that. The potholes typically exit only I didn't even know the piehole had toric no capability. I think I'm doing

it. I don't know, I read that line, and I'm reading it. I'm reading. HR says that changes with age. All right. Let's get to some of our other donors here. Dave. This is going downhill quickly. Speaking of double entendre. The we got a donation for Dame Jennifer. Oh, Hello Dave. Jennifer 3333 And she says this through Pay Pal and she says love hearing Phoebe breaks through the noise gate. Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah, she says And yes, the math jingle should

be banned. Here's your cute a booth named Jennifer. Oh, you want to? She said it seemed like a good idea at the time. But when it played a couple of weeks ago, I crawled under my desk and shame. Your podcasting kisses? No, it's named Jennifer. Thanks, Dave. Jennifer. Yes, we got the debt that was named Jennifer. But we have Marco Arment. With $500. through PayPal, Marco. Thank you from overcast. Thank you, Marco. Very appreciate it. That's his

monthly Amen. You have no idea how much that means to us. Yes, absolutely. That's that's a big deal. And if it if anybody hasn't seen, you know, we know he's working on 2.0 stuff. But if I hadn't seen the new redesign from for overcast, it's worth checking out. It's very nice. Oh, it is colorful and very colorful. Because it you know what I still use overcast for as I'm using mostly 2.0 apps now, but I use overcast still because it has one feature that that

I've used for years, which is the upload feature. Yes, you can. If you're if you're a paid supporter, which I am, you can upload your mp3 ease to through the overcast website, custom mp3, and it gives you an uploads playlist. And you can list so like you can just upload your own stuff and listen to it through the podcast app. Oh, really nice. Yeah. I did that with this. With that thing that that talk that I clipped from earlier. I uploaded that mp3 To

overcast and listen to it on the net. That way I can just drive and listen to things I want to clip. Buzzsprout $500 Oh, wow. Thank you both boys and girls well timed. PPU. Yes. That was well, yes. Yeah. And they Yeah. I was talking to Tom this week, I guess pretty cool stuff coming down the pipe. Yeah. Talk about it. No, no, of course not. Are you under NDA? Nothing under for NDA. Well, you better be telling me after the show. The Yeah. Thanks, guys. I appreciate that. But Buzzsprout

has been along with rss.com and, and others. They've been such a big, huge supporter. No kidding. Sustaining supporter. Fountain. Square in the boys. $200. Thank you. Thank you guys. I finally got Oscars endpoints. were promised endpoints if you want. Just a he needed a way to remove value blocks that they had put in, like, if they messed something up or whatever. He just needed, like a, like a cleanup. Point out about free range. podcast.com no.org

is too much, and we don't really need it. Pretty long. Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Just just messing around. Thank you, Oscar. And I will get the rest of your endpoints done soon. Now, this is good, because we're also building like the same. We're seeing stuff that he needs. And building the same thing for Satoshi stream. So we'll have different will have the built disability now to have parts are like so called partner in points. Okay. This

partner in name only, I don't know what else to call them. But like the ability for these for certain people to have unique access through the API to do things that maybe only they need. And out there's another concierge API services. Yes. It's why it's right. Right for You. Yes, exactly. And there's another another host, large podcast as this is going to start integrating with us and for submissions and that kind of thing. So I've been working with them in the

background to also do some custom endpoints. So wow, I can't believe anchor is finally doing it. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Jesse Hunter gave us $10. We appreciate that. JC No, no. Thank you, Jesse. We get some boosts. Yeah. This is these are digital histograms. I didn't have time to print them out today. But let's go through here. We got 1000 SATs from Merlin. Merlin through fountain nieces. First thing is don't read this out loud. Okay. All right.

Thanks. Thanks, Merlin. Okay, I read it to myself. Thank you, Merlin. And yes, I agree with it. 5552 from Satoshi stream. Thank you guys. And he just says yay. Yay. Boost. Satoshi stream is a Dutchman. I feel I feel fairly sure. Yes. And one day, one day He will reveal Himself. Todd from Northern Virginia. Send us an HD boost through breeze for 1000 ad sets. Like 1920 bucks and ad Oh, nice. I love the perfect. Boost.

500 SAS for a set econ 101 through cast Matic. For what is worth by discovery as new podcasts lately mostly comes from mentions on ones already listened to sometimes insertion of another podcasters episode into one of my subscribed feeds. Looks me. I've even started listening to a few based on fountain net FM clips. Well, good. Well, that sets me straight, doesn't it? Shut up curry. You know what you're talking about. Now, obviously, and this was a really good discussion.

And I think that hearing getting a recommendation from a from about a podcast happens in many ways. And yes, if a friend of yours clips it or someone you have seen a clip from before, I'm sure that works. I'm sure it does. My experience is just that it's it's always word of mouth. One way or the other and even on Twitter, sometimes I'll see it Hey, man, you should listen to this in the show. And then people say yeah, okay, I will. And I'm sure sometimes they do. Sometimes. Yep. Many times no.

They don't have it sometimes. Yeah. Well, that's why I want to that's why I want the ability to advertise. Advertise on bus cast using the new using the new hotness over there because I feel like there's we can pick up some new listeners who would be interested in the 2.0. Or how much does it cost? I don't know. I don't know that. Maybe they take SATs

anonymous. The pod friend send 1000 SATs. Thank you and he or she says delegated proof of stake sucks if you have 50% of the stake, great if no one has more than a few percent. Sounds better. I think so. Was that you? Or was that no, that was that was me. got me excited. Auburn Citadel sent 49,490 SATs through fountain and he says what UPCA what up to you? Thanks.

Thanks, Karen from the mere mortals podcasts and it's 13,337 SAS it's a long lead boost boost boost, thanks through curio caster and he says much like my initial distaste of asking for value from listeners I'm overcoming my distaste for marketing, which I always felt was shilling spam, shameless self promotion, etc. The best marketing you can do for your podcast. Certainly if you're doing value for value is a newsletter.

It really is. Newsletter is critical in the model if if you really you know if you if your regular with your episodes on a regular day, regular time, and you can remind people the day before Oh, remember the show's coming up? It's worked very well for me. I love how you said that a newsletter is critical to the value for value model and we don't do it. It's true. We don't do a newsletter. No, we don't. But we suck. I mean, we can't even live pod ping. I mean, hello.

It's obvious. We're just we're low on the totem pole. We're disaster. That's right. On mere mortals, I and my co host one discuss deep topics with a light hearted touch, fitness philosophy, ridiculous stories, we've got a bit of everything. Much of the topics come from my reading which I cover in depth on the mere mortals book reviews. And to learn about V for V the value for value podcast. Yo someone just hit the boost CLI four times in a row. I saw it

come through school. That's cool. They actually came in as 134 to see, I've actually got a little bit of a reading okay, this is from this is from the book perelandra And it is the protagonist is land has landed on this on this alien planet as a CS Lewis book. He's landed on this alien planet and he finally has found food and this this curious alien food this is a water planet so this is big orb of this warmish fruit. It's just like, filling to the filled to

the brim with with liquid in. He finally figures out how to sort of puncture the rind. He says good MIT to extract the smallest experimental SIP for the first taste put his caution all to flight. It was of course a taste just as his thirst and hunger has been thirst and hunger. But then it was so different from every other taste of it seems pedantry to call it a taste at all. It was like the discovery of a totally new genus of pleasures, something unheard of among men. Out of all reckoning

beyond all covenant. For one draft of this on earth wars would be fought in nations betrayed. As he left the empty empty gourd fall from his hand and was about to pluck a second one. It came into his head that he was now neither hungry nor thirsty, and yet to repeat, a pleasure so intense, and almost

so spiritual seemed an obvious thing to do. His reason, or what we commonly take to be reasoned in our own world was all in favor of tasting this miracle again, the childlike innocent of fruit, the labors he had undergone the uncertainty of the future all seem to come in the action. It's something seemed to oppose this reason. It is difficult to suppose that this opposition came from desire for what desire would turn from such deliciousness. But for whatever cause it appeared to him better

not to taste it again. Perhaps the experience had been so complete, that repetition would be a vulgarity like asking him to hear the same Symphony twice in a day has been the reading for podcasting tip on episode 87. Oh my god, that was beautiful. That is how was beautiful It's a it's just an example of putting limits on yourself like some. Sometimes when you have a wonderful experience, you really want to do it again. But you know, you kind of shouldn't do it again.

Because it would ruin what would ruin it. Yes, yes. Yes. So well, so well said. So well read it right in the middle of a donation segment. It was it was very interesting. To see people that skipped the donation stream and they miss all this good content. It's the content is Roy scheinfeld 4300 43,210 says, Okay, he's downsized his donation it was about 4321. Yeah, that's a subtle hint there. We're gonna give you a lightning boost.

Thanks, Roy. Message received ROI. We need to talk a little bit more about breeze I guess. No, he says. He said you missed my boost. So double boosting, make sure it won't happen again. Oh, nice. Thank you. He said braid. Okay, so he doubled this is a 43 to 10. He boosted that amount twice. So a second message says bring Gigi Back To School Day. I'm giving him a big baller for that goes to in a row 20 is blades on I am Paula. I can sir cool. Yeah, baby. Yeah.

I'm up for being schooled by Gigi. Yes. No, I deserve that. I deserve it. Timmy 2383 and 5000 SATs through fountain and he says boost your baby boost. Boost. Don't just stand there post. Martin up what up Martin from Denmark. Our buddy. Through pod friend he says greetings from Denmark 4321. Thank you Martin. floydian slips sent 3456 s through fountain he says I'm chronicling my journey. staining. staining. Well, this is white. So I think I already read this one. Because it was

the same misspelling. Start oil starting value for value pockets. Maybe we're overlapping at this point. We are at this point we're overlapping but that's weird. Because did you get CASP? eland? No, I did not. I did not get cast. Okay. Cast peeling since three cents. 3690 says and he says informative show. Thanks for the work. Welcome. We do our best man. That was quite informative. Jim. Yes. Mitch said as an 1833 through pod verse. Of course. He said, send bitcoin to podcasters

instantly using pod verse plus lb. Yes. How's that working? Is that I do I need to do one of those hook up the lb to see how it works. So I have my pod verse hooked up to an airline pay wallet I think. I don't it's been I looked at the report the other day and pod verse buffers has always been, you know, has always been low because they didn't they just had the beta and pod verse. But there it looks like they're

starting to get more boost activity through. Yeah, it's just those defaults of 10 SATs is just not going to get you on the leaderboard. Yeah, bring that up. I don't know what's going on with it. Thanks, man. I appreciate it. Man. Mixer, mixer, send 1000 SAS through fountain in an excerpt from the podcast index dot social. He says Adam, you said don't email but talk to Chris last about podcasting from Linux. He's been running a network of shows for a decade almost solely on Linux. He's a

great resource. Thanks. Yeah, yeah, Chris Fisher is a great great resource and everything Linux. Sea booster grams, and at the end we get the delimiter mastery blog mixer blogger everybody 15,033 SAS through fountain. He says, howdy, David. Adam. Are you prepared for world war three? Hell, anyways, okay. Anyways, I invite you to listen to our podcast. Okay, this is this is the art of the not the Polish must be experts and non sequiturs.

I invite you to listen to our podcast about artificial intelligence read by Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent. Just enter AI dot cooking into your web browser or in any podcasting app. Yo, yo. Thank you, Commissioner BlogHer. Appreciate that. And that's it. That's it. Yeah, that's our group. Thank you all very much. Especially thanks for everyone who up there sat amount knowing that we are slowly transitioning from the Fiat fun coupons of PayPal towards the full loan.

Bitcoin standard with the Satoshis that I mean, it's working. But it's really, you know, I was gonna ask you this. How are we on The value for value enabled feeds How many do we have? We got like how many? Yeah, I think this is an interesting metric. And I've been keeping track in my own crappy way. Let me see. Which means I just, I'm just writing some stuff down. Hold on. I have here. I think it's about is growing in about 10. A day. so on. So on

Thursday, May 19. So a week ago, we had 6650. Then this past Sunday, we had 6683. And now we have 6761. So that's not five days, and how many how many extra? Do we get there? I'm just writing this down. 67. What 6761? On a start up, pulled up the podcasts by tag podcast value tag in point. And well, it's moving really slow. I hope it won't crash, clean for heat. Maybe that was a bad decision. Why would it? Why would it go? Okay. It's a lot of it's a lot

of data. It returns all the podcast data from all the fields that have valuable. Well done, Dave. Yes. I want to do 6761, the minus 6683 is 78 divided by five is well, if only we had a math jingle that wasn't banned. We can't use that. Okay, so that's about 15 a day. So it's cranked up a little bit. It's been about 10 a day, and now we're at 15. This is a metric I think I want to follow. Okay. kantanmt. Can I have an endpoint? Do you want to report

a daily report? I would love a report. I would love a report that gives me yeah, how many new ones? Well, you're exactly the same as the as the key send report? Yes, I'll set you up. A TPS report. Yes. TPS report on a cron job on a cron job. Really appreciate this, though. This is so much is happening so much is going down. I mean, we practically show up I show up now. I mean, you send you send clips. But man, this just, we can just start talking.

There's so much to talk about. I'm sure we're missing a ton of stuff people want to hear about. But no one's submitted anything for the board meeting. So Neener Neener. If anybody wants to submit Yeah, anybody can send clips anytime they want to. Oh, crap. We almost forgot the monthly pet. Oh, no. No, we do need these. Yes. Sorry. I sorry. C pod news. $50. Thank you, James. Thank you.

Jeff Miller $20 and Shawn McCune $20 dribs got $15 Todd's Minsky $11.11 James Sullivan $10 Christopher Raymer $10 and Jordan Dunnville $10.02 coats $6.66 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Charles current $5 Naco Gagan $5 Cohen glotzbach $5 and Leslie Martin $2. Thank thanks all of you. Yeah, I'm glad glad you caught that.

Thanks. victory from the jaws of defeat. Yeah, and these monthlies are also very important and you can do it through a Pay Pal monthly subscription or set up a cron job with the boost CLI please I'm gonna do that by the way if you Why not go into I was considering setting up the boost CLI for a couple of my favorite podcasts as well separate wallet you know, just dump some stats in there periodically and just fire stuff off.

And just a last note on that stuff. I think everybody's got their T shirts now so if you don't tell me that I think I think that's all handled now. Excellent finally after a year Well y'all get t shirt order ever we had to look Come on people we had a supply chain problems now we do we still have podcasts index dot shop I guess let me just I don't know I don't know if we actually we have a Dutch shop I think so. In when that in a shop guys. Yeah.

Yeah. Podcast index dot shop. Yeah, exactly. So there's yeah, there's there's merch. You can get this podcast in the shop on vinyl and on cassette tape so yeah, and of course there's the podcasting 2.0 certified, and details on how you by supporting the the index and the project podcasting 2.0 and get one of those. We saw a as to who was wearing when the other day of the conference? Was that Benjamin? Yeah. Benjamin Bellamy Benjamin Bellamy. Yeah, look very good.

I wonder if people ask him about that to do what's up with a T shirt. And Nathan, Nathan also has been working on we've we kind of resurrected the, the push for a universal stitches subscription idea and t, I think he just published his blog post about

it, which I will tweet out and link to. But it means the thing we've, you know, we've talked about before and it's been it's been a, you know, done attempted in the past to get you know, an idea is that there is no us sort of like universal subscription mechanism for for podcasts. Right? This has been a problem for quite a while, long, long, long time. And there's been various attempts to have a go at it.

That sort of his, he sort of lays out the approach and and I liked the way he's moving on this, because it's very pragmatic sort of let's, let's just go ahead and do it. Very, very podcasting, tip analysis, go ahead and do it. And then do it. And then, on the technical side, make make sure that it's done in a way that has a new ability that hasn't been possible in the past, which can, which, you know, we'll create

some excitement around it. And then finally once, and then we'll carve out an A, a workaround for the Apple problem, which has always been the was the one Yeah. And then after the fact, we campaigned for Apple to ratify this thing that's in use. You never know. No, I think I mean, I think it's, I think it

makes sense. It's so so what he's put together is he's he says it like this, I think podcasting should work around Apple, demonstrate demand, and then pressure Apple to give users control over the preferred podcast app. I think that's about all you that's about the best you can hope for. As long as the mission shouldn't be to get Apple to do it, the mission is to get everybody to do it. Right. Yes, that and and getting that's the easier part. I mean, that's almost, you know, a given.

But so here's, here's his idea, you is to sort of extend the P cast protocol scheme. So that's P cast, colon slash slash, and then yes, some use some universal link, some universal URL. And that's so you, you take that idea, that protocol scheme, and then you have have a URL on it, but then take it further, because the P cast URL in the past has only been able to, to provide a subscription mechanism to sort of to take you to a

podcast, right? And he's like, Well, now what we should do is add the ability for it to take you all the way down into an episode. So that you can hit this link, and it opens up your preferred podcast player and takes you to the correct episode. Well, to do that, though, some apps support that some don't. Some, some do not support a way to go all the way down to the pot to the actual episode level. And for those that don't, you know, we would have to sort

of work around that as well. But you can, there would be some sort of like, okay, if you're, it'd be like PKS colon slash slash and then URL. And then and then like a episode guid didn't do that Microsoft actually support this at one point. I think the Ping i remember P cast. That that goes back to like Windows Phone. Yes. I think it has been it has been around. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm all for bringing something back. That just was, you know,

wasn't at the right time. There it is. Was it here it is handling URI schemes, P cast by third party apps Windows Phone 8.1. Baby. Nailed it. Mm, nice. Look at that memory be 12. All right, cool. Well, that was that would be a big win. We already have Microsoft onboard. So well then there's windows. Yeah, so we're getting we're halfway there. We got one of the big guys But I don't know. Does Android support P Casta? They probably do. I would think so. I'm not sure. I mean, graphene OS, you

can set anything you want for anything, basically. So you know, that's, I'm just ahead of the curve on that. Don't worry, everyone will be using it eventually. Did you see the apple? Watch wallet if you want to put your, your ID in there? Because you know, in America, we're now moving towards the what's it called? Real ID, part of your driver's license and all this stuff. So star on it and all that. I mean, like, Give me a break. Yeah. Well,

here's the groovy part from their terms and service. Now this is when you're, if you're using it to put like your passport or your driver's license in let me see if I can find this real quick. Oh, gave me gave that to me. And in some places, this is called Star ID secure trust and reliable. And yes, it is you put a yellow star on your ID and we can we can we not do that, please? It is a little weird. I agree.

I can't find it that quickly. But what it says. So when you do the onboarding, then you know there's a whole bunch of stuff you have to put in there a lot of information and they say you know to prevent fraud. We will I don't know if they will do it at any moment or upon request but they will give I wish I had the exact language, your state information about your device, your device usage habits, your head movements.

Yeah, it's really funny. So I saved it somewhere. Yeah, that's the that's the day this phone stays at home and in locked in a box. Right? Well, I'm pretty sure that that's it's really happening. No, yes. That's it's not happening in this house. Oh, no, but it's happening. It's happening out there in the real world. Didn't Utah do it? Weren't they like all on board for some weird reason? Everybody's All right.

Every state Texas is onboard. I already have my driver's license with Real ID of course, it's automatic it you know, you're not gonna get around it. But not me. You can't put that star on Monday on my license. Okay, well, yeah, you good luck. I'll just drive everywhere. Good luck. Are you dry? You driving to Dallas for the for the big podcast thing? Yep. I'm a driver, not a flower, baby. Okay, how long was that? How long is the drive? to Dallas? It's 11 hours to Austin. Well, why don't you come

to our place first. Okay. And then we'll, we'll drive up together. Okay. Yeah, sounds good. If you want. I mean, you don't have to be invited anymore. Go to Dallas. Wait, what? Are you like, Oh, I just happen to know that my arms are from because I'm Google mapping Dallas background. The process that I got de invited URI invited years of course invited anytime, anytime. All right. Are we done? Should we close this out at two hours and three minutes? I think we've probably run the gamut. Here.

We've exhausted all podcasting. 2.0 topics for the week, I think. All right. So lots to do this week coming up. I'll be out of pocket a little bit. Tuesday. I start my my first reconstruction session. My mouth Wait, what? I'm getting all my teeth done. Oh, oh, that sounds scary. Oh, it's very scary. This is I probably should have done this seven or eight years ago. It's

it's mainly genetics. Yeah, so but I have I've had a lot of work done in the past all kinds of cosmetic and now we have to go and do the real work of basically taking a wrecking ball to my face and reinstalling implants and everything. Which means we need a lot more boosts on my other shows. No agenda a lot. And curry Are they are they going to be like doing it a little bit at a time so they don't wreck you all at once? Or is it just well they have to do a little bit at a

time so I can afford it. Yeah, it's a man didn't work it's so expensive. Yeah, it's it's probably going to be a small car by the time I'm done but dammit it really has to be done because I don't want to be like my parents ad and spitting out teeth or my mom who you know literally had in her will do not let me die without my without my teeth in which we didn't. We don't want to. I don't want to be dead there and it was great. She she was dead. Get a grip. Perfect Smile. Great teeth. All right.

We'll be Look at next week right here on the board meeting. Have a good one. Have a great weekend Dave. Hi buddy. Talk to you next week you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information