Episode 83: Pushin' Paper

podcasting 2.0 For April 29 2020, to Episode 83. This week we're pushing paper. That's right. Sometimes you get one of those admin weeks. Don't worry, we'll bore you with that. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 The official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 we discuss everything happening with the podcasting namespace podcast. index.org And of course, there's a lot going on to podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here

in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. He's a guy with a motorcycle for sale on Ebay, my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. It's a parks bike. Six fixer upper, mild fixer upper, the entire front end, the front half. If you have a front half, I have a backcast Oh my goodness. Dave. How is Grant doing? How's it easy? Okay. Yeah, he got he's doing good. No. Pain, pain management completely under control. He's good. He's only on Tylenol.

Oh, that's very, very quick, actually. Yeah, that the dogs were pretty, pretty pleased about that. Because they like, you know, I was terrified. Yeah, I watched you were thinking of opioids. Yeah. As you watch dope sick. You like holy crap. Yeah. Very good. Yeah, you watch dope sick, and then you go to the hospital. And everybody at the hospital gives you the on a one to 10 Tell me what your pain is. And I'm like, right, so they have the little chart with the smiley faces in

there. Oh, man. Isn't that sick? It is. It is. I mean, like, once you watch that show you it makes you so paranoid. Yeah. But you're a great dad. So he's safe. Yeah, even in his worst pain. I just gave him Tylenol. No, I didn't do and it took here. Come on, let's be honest about that. Boy, yeah. You are listening, by the way to two very tired men right now in case you're just tuning into podcasting. 2.0 Episode 83. Is

Well, I mean, you're tired man. Because you've been you know, just been through a lot in the past two weeks with your with your kids accident. And it was the busiest time to time. We all know leave Dave alone is when his kid gets an accident, which of course will never be forgiven. No, ever, ever AM. And then I record. Sorry. So on your permanent record, permanent record, yes. And I was often in New York for my dad's internment

and a family reunion. And now, it's really really fun. But um, you know, a lot of energy just being in New York by itself. Like, ah, so tell me tell me about New York. I mean, so it was. I've never been really? Yeah, I've never been to New York been at the state at all. So do you. When was the last time you had been to armant the last time I was in Armonk, wow. A long time ago? Probably a good eight years ago. And Armand is, you know, north of New York

City. It's kind of Westchester, Connecticut, right. You could probably you in fact, you drive two minutes, you're in Connecticut. Okay. And that's where the homestead is that my family has lived in since 1929. And my uncle still lives there. His his wife passed away about six, seven weeks ago. The middle Patton cemetery is where everyone's buried. You know, it's it's a real thing in the curry clan. Sorry, wing. Yeah.

Yes, exactly. Exactly. And that was great. Because my cousins came in and of course, my sisters came in from Holland from Italy. Christina came in from Holland. She actually came back with us to Texas. She's here until Monday, just to Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because she hadn't been out here. And I haven't seen her for 10 months since her birthday. So it's, yeah, it's the last time she was in the States. Oh, it was, huh. I would say good four years ago. And her

boyfriend could not come for this server. Well, I would say almost fiance, because, you know, he got the first. The first vaccination starts to develop myocarditis. He's like, No, I'm gonna do that. Oh, yeah, he stopped right away. And of course, is when he falls into the category of fucky fucky fucky. Very much. You're not allowed in the country. That's that's the category he fits into. Yeah. So anyway, so

that, you know, it's just been busy. And then coming back in, you know, we're, we're, we've had some administrative changes. So for a whole bunch of reasons that are boring. I'm opening like a bank account here in Texas. moving some of the LLC stuff over here, and I have no business doing this. You have as much Business opening bank accounts and do an LLC stuff as I do writing Terms of Service. Privacy Policy. Exactly. But it I love it because I know why we're doing

it. It's all good. But it's actually I have someone lined up who wants to help us, Danny, who's the no agenda producer. And, you know, I had a chat with him. We had some email, we talked on the phone. And, you know, he's, he's, I think he's, I gave him a podcast index on social invite. And he's committed to definitely helping us out, you know, through this transition, get everything set up. But I've just like, you know, I would this was already underway, and I thought it was

already done. But now I need a certificate from the state of Texas. And it's all this, all this stuff. But anyway, I'm really excited about Danny coming to help us win. I think that his nickname will be debit card. Danny, was my was my. Now, you indeed, you know, since I got back, it's like, oh, here's some terms of service and like to do to have a lawyer look at it. You're like, not couldn't look at it. That's he's a lawyer. He's the podcast logging

lawyers. That sounds good to me. Well, it said that, you know, I knew, here's, here's the way this thinking goes. This was just me cutting it off, like, go ahead and get into the meat of it before it started. Right. So what I did was, I thought, Okay, let's see, if we write a privacy policy, and then put it out there. Cridland is immediately going to look at it and pick it apart. So I'm gonna send it to him ahead of time. Yes. And saving the Safe, safe one step. Great idea.

I'm all for perfect, perfect, and he won't criticize his own work. So if he rewrote half of it, I'm like, Hey, we're good right now, but I think it turned out great. I appreciate what he did. Because he, he expanded, he expanded it to cover some things that I had not thought of, and then did, like, made it made it better for the EU ish, right. And all that, I think, I think we're in good shape. Excellent, by the way. So I spent a lot of time getting

everything set up for this show. So we're live, I did the pending, the pending tag in vice versa, sovereign feeds is kick ass. The stuff that Steven B is doing improving this interface is really I mean, he's just doing iteration through iteration and making the experience better smarter. And it's really good because I am that guy. Cool. screw up everything. So I you know, I did the pending tag for our for our live item tags show that we're live. And so I know I got the

time, right? I change the episode numbers or change the date, and I publish it and then of course, like, oh, it's still pending or no, it's still it's ended. You didn't hit pending. Okay, hit pending, to go through it again. Upload the feed. Okay, hit the pod ping. We're good. Oh, it's the wrong date. It's like March 20. Okay. Set it for today. Get it all set. I got the

PM. So Okay, finally, it's all good to go. We're good. But it's cool because now you can see how an idiot can still mess up the best interface or the or you know, user interface experience. So I'm just really making sure the Steven knows everything I do wrong because you have to stop. I mean, I'm a danger to myself. It's so easy. It's so easy to mess it up. It really is. And then I also added the boost bot to the live value block. Have you followed the boost bot?

I had no idea what the boost but even then I didn't know what it was either. Yeah, so I see this on the on the mastodon. You add the boost bot to it with 1% split to your live item tag. Your lot your live item. Value block. And in anything over 100 sets. It I think it I think it shows up in a chat room. I don't know if it shows up in our chat room. But it also shoots it out on mastodon. Yes. It's all I can go do it now. Yeah, it shouldn't be it should be live. I mean as long I mean,

I pause here so as you say d3 Live. Now do you see the boost bot in the value block? Can you see it? What are you using cast thematic? No, Nanda now I'm using curator Castro. So should be in there. If I click on 83 Live, oh, if I hit play on this, I'm going to like feedback myself. That's not gonna. Not gonna be good. Do it? Do it. I'm gonna do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. Boost one. Do I have 1000 SATs in my career? I guess. Surely I do. Oh, I'm not logged in. I'm going to do this. I'm going to

do this at some point during the show. Okay, so this So this is just boost the show and it comes back. Yeah, it goes live into a chat room not sure where it's in the chat room made Minebea I don't know what Chat Room button because there's new I'm just like, I'd read through the documentation like Okay, I just put this in and we'll see where it goes. Apparently it's also boosting on Mastodon so if people are in the now people are in the podcasting 2.0 Chat.

Oh, I see it. I see it on bass. Yeah, see it on the mastodon? Is that now is that coming from? No agenda social. Let me see. Oh, wait, there you go. Servo booster 2033 Looks like it has two links, podcasts index.org. And that's the shores feed and it links links to the Yeah. Well, that's interesting

linking to the RSS feed and that's from boost CLI. Okay, and it says and there's another one through says metus boosted with 1000s SASL via curio caster second this did it wow this is running with scissors to the extreme this is running with garden shears right now. I love it this is so cool.

Very good wow okay, so I know I gotta Wow out of Dave everybody wow, I knew that these things were under development all these different connectors for everything but I haven't seen them necessarily in real the last time I saw one little running live was on the live that we did with Sir Spencer. Oh no, this is ongoing effort. These people out of control. They are I'm glad I found it. You know I saw Steven B's like

oh a boost bodice cooling boost bot What's this? What does this use but you speak of he say boost but you're gonna get some you're gonna get some attention. Yeah, of course. It was like the only boost bot I know is boost boost. That's my boost bot. That's the only one I want to do it now. They're gonna do it for me. Well, this is only the live item though, right? Yeah, but if you hit it Yeah, yeah. So it has to be curio

caster. I think you're right. Yeah, it's not gonna show up and no, it won't show up. So where is everybody? Where's everybody and getting in on the fun? Hello, Roy corduroy. Hello, Roy. What are you doing Roy? Get on this live item stuff Roy he was supposed to have a dedicated person who was getting who who does what does the most so far is caught in a loop. I was trying to do this for so what what other? What other app in your opinion is the most poised or primed for alive support?

Well, it would be very disappointing if a fountain didn't hop on the ship right away. I mean, these those guys are way ahead of stuff right now. And Oscar's out of control they have the hero I got the live with the beat being able to I guess easily add your listeners blocks to the value add everyone gets a wallet. Like oh my god, can we get to no agenda artists to get one of these so I can just add them per

episode. You know, thanks for doing the art. Here's here's some stats for here's just split. So I want to know how this works. So that means anybody can just show show up and enable their walk. Oh, okay. So as I see what happened. So as long as you have a fountain account, you have a wallet. And the Yes, exact hatching Exactly, exactly.

And so what I'm thinking is it's probably it because it seems to be using the lightning address theme, you know, where you can attach like an email address looking thing to a lightning address? Oh, yeah, I don't know about I haven't I haven't actually looked at it. I just saw the announcement and I believe it right away yeah, yes. I got a busy life. Dave. I have things to do here. Well, let me just presumed it worked.

I'm sure you're right. I want to look at this though. I don't know I'm gonna get to Kevin Brooks show Oh, yeah. Kiss Oh, show not only is so if you're not on if you're not hip to sovereign feed sovereign feeds.com This is really where you get to play around and you get to mess with I mean, it's so cool to create the feed with all these different features. And I'm even at the point where we change the metadata stuff that no one ever does if you're podcasting like

that stuff is just stuck in time forever. Thank well was here anyway, let me just give it a quick review. So nice. And also, you know, what's also David normal hypercare tree all of a sudden, David Norman. Do he has like eight kids comes back. And then boom, there's a new version of hyper Kassar? Yeah, hyper Kitchen Studio 2.0. Yeah, nice. It looks like an eight bit Marvel. Yeah, that looks so do you said drag has

been testing it? Yeah. What is the what is the killer feature of hyper captured Studio 2.0? Dave, I have no idea drag is testing it. I'm not gonna test that drag is our expert. I have no idea. All I do is I don't have metal in his business. No way. I but I don't have I mean, I still log into HyperCard your studio to set up the first kind of fake chapter. But it's not 2.0. So I'm not in the club. I have not been given access to 2.0. I am extremely curious about the what does he call it

like magic chapters or auto chapters? Yes, he has some kind of AI stuff. And I know dreadd has been experimenting with that as well. This isn't these are incredible development. We need a PR team. Oh, I thought we already had one. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Daniel J. Lewis. I thought that was Daniel J. Lewis. Love that guy. Alright, let me see. So here it is. Is most awesome underneath stuff license? Some platform changes like flat. No. Jas, manual deployments. Okay,

so he's doing some some sort of underneath the hood things. He says I've also added a player in the chapter editor that will autofill the time marker as Adam suggested long ago. I'm glad I suggested that. I don't know what that means. You don't remember what you suggested. But you did have a time marker? Uh, huh. Says I really don't remember. Yeah, there's a player. I'm looking at the screenshot. There's a player in the chapter editor. Hmm.

Right. I Yeah. Okay, both just UI stuff. But if drab is working with it, dribs gonna get it right. I'm not worried about it at all. And he said, I mentioned to him that was going to support the location functionality. So you put locations into chapters? And he said, Yes. To this on his tool, it to my knowledge will be the first the first tool that exists that will take advantage of location location. Yeah.

Because we talked about that for a long time where you could do like a, you know, maybe you're doing a podcast about a particular like a war or something and you want to give pick a war, any war, there's plenty. Or you want and, you know, you want to pinpoint this episode, we're excuse me this, this part of the episode from minute to minute 20. You were talking about Armani. Armani. Yeah. Maha Marma. And then the next. You know, few minutes you're talking about? New Jersey?

Exactly. That's the way that's really the way it should be used. That's fantastic. Again, those maps out FM guys, they're circling around when we give no love, because I don't understand any of it. Well, am I wrong? cred? Listen, he was on their board or something. What? Yeah. Oh, man. Guys everywhere. Unless I'm nuts. I mean, I think that's true. So yeah, they shouldn't be conditioned. Bring them into the fold here. Because the guy keeps popping up saying, hey, here I

am. Interesting. You think James would do that? Let me see. Well, that's just so you know, what really is there's too much going on, and can't keep up with it. And you. You basically been spending the week catching up, right? Yeah, right. We're excited to introduce those tickets. We're excited to introduce to industry leaders as our new advisors, James Kirtland, editor of the Daily pod news and EVO Tara, co author of podcasting for dummies. They're both pals of the pod. Yeah,

they will tell us what to do powers of the pod. Tell us what to advise advise someone on something perfect. We're at your disposal. All right. I'm sorry. I interrupted you. You catching up on everything. Did you interrupt me? Oh, yeah, I guess you do. Well, yeah. Yeah, just catching up on emails. I had like, you know, 100 Something emails to catch up on. And it I think I'm getting

I'm getting close. But I had a couple of through had a lot of like, just me know, a my feeds messed up, hey, this, right, good, hey, blah, blah, blah, just a bunch of that kind of jazz. But then there was a few things. I talked to a hosting company this week about potentially doing some integration with us and do an auto submit. It was interesting conversation because we were talking about like terms of service that that's what got me on the terms of service privacy

policy. Okay, and for the record If are all that stuff, Terms of Service privacy policy, and everything is on GitHub. Now, there's a repo called legal UI. So if you go to the github.com/pockets, index Dash org, and go to legal, there's our Privacy Policy and Terms of Service, I'm going to put it there and just link to the stuff there. From our website, it's

easier to edit. On so our terms of service may change from time to time, it will, it may, and we will alert you if we want to alert you, we don't have to alert you. My goal is to never email anybody ever for any reason. So a new podcast host that would be auto submitting, when that just be a pod ping.

We'll see. Okay, so that's what I was gonna say thank you. Z, is we talked about it for a little while, and they were, they were telling me well, you know, we were looking at the terms and, you know, if we're, if you just find our feeds and suck a man, you know, that's, that's fine. That's one thing. But if we actively push to you, we need to review your terms and make sure that everything's kosher with legal and yeah, and, you know, it's like, Okay, it's good. I mean, it's fine. Makes sense.

And we, we, we retain James Cridland, so we're fine. No problem. Yes, that's right. on retainer, and the so then a little bit through, I was like, Well, you know, I mean, really, an easier thing to do is just send a pod pain. If you do that every time, then we we get every feed, it's just like an auto submit. And everybody else gets it, too. Yeah, everybody wins. Yeah. And they say yes. They said, We're gonna push for that. So. Uh huh. We have higher ups to convince.

I think so more legal? I don't know. I don't know how that stuff works. I was there's always higher ups to convince unless you're us, and there's only two of us, right? We are the highest, the bucks, the buck stops here. Yeah. So I mean, in a regular business that has meetings, I'm assuming there's higher ups. But it's cool, though, because that worked out perfectly like because we were thinking, you've been thinking the whole time. Okay, well, this kills two birds

with one stone. And then you really don't have to worry about Terms of Service, right? You're just telling the world hey, we're out here and everybody else can pick it up. And that's exactly the same thing, as you know, as someone else ingesting I agree. Yeah. I mean, like, you're just throwing it out there. And then whoever, it's like, the, you know, it's like, well, you know, I'm not giving this to you. But I'm just gonna leave it right

here on the coffee table. And if you happen to find if you see it by any chance, just pick it up, you know, yeah, ingest that. It's good. Excellent. So, yeah. Anyway, that's, that's, that was a good conversation. And that's, I'm going to get another couple of people to talk to you this next week as well on similar things. So there's a lot of, it's funny, it's funny how this thing goes through phases where you have like, a lot of DEV work. And

then for a little while, you have a bunch of admin stuff. And then for a little while, you have a bunch of like, talking to people and then it goes back to the desk. It goes through these like cycles. Sure, sure. I think I think you dev a lot and you code a lot and all that kind of stuff. pleat. If I ever say dev as a verb began, please yeah, but I think I was Devon the other day, you know, thinking of you.

Like, Oh, I love definitely think of Dave That's one step away from calling a calling your position that you're recruiting for a ninja. Right big superstar. Superstar. Super. Customer Support. Sherpa. Oh, goodness. Well, I do like customer support. No Customer Success representative. Doesn't bus that bus? I love that. Customer Success consultant. How're you doing? It is very good.

Yeah, so what we get there? I mean, there's a bunch of yes budget, that kind of stuff going on bunch of just just talking in typing, which is good. And we you know, there's a dizzy conversation which, you know, we started a few episodes ago, which kind of of course Daniel J. Lewis brought it back in typical fashion. Hey, are we calling this thing podcast standard? Now? What is that all about? And this sparked off a great conversation which I gladly remove myself from just

watching. Of course, just watching this like, Okay, where's this going? And it's kind of interesting, because I I really thought that kind of separating the podcast namespace and giving it its own name is what was desired. But not only not know now, podcasting 2.0 seems to be a very important brand to everybody. Or maybe maybe I'm, maybe I'm not reading it right.

But it's been really interesting to see this and, and to a certain degree, I'm also looking at this, like, hey, was there like 10 years of this, that people just talking about this stuff? Because, you know, meanwhile, there's an actual namespace and everything's ready to go, how do we get it out to people? You know, what is the priority? Isn't it to get as many posts as possible to at least adopt one feature? Because once they include the namespace, then, you know, then it's,

you've already gotten over such a big hump. Now, you know, this goes back to the old to sort of my old adage, when people start arguing about thing about things. It's time to stop talking and just go build something. Yeah. And I think it is, I was looking earlier, I was actually grabbing a copy. And daughter is doing a report for school on Ukraine. And I was grabbing a copy of calls out the causality episode on Chernobyl for her. Uh huh. And I'm looking at, I'm looking at looking at

John 2g site. And he has up there this big badge on his website, this says, podcast into one a certified Oh, nice, and it's beautiful. And I thought, you know, maybe we're, maybe we don't worry, maybe we don't rebrand things, maybe, maybe, maybe it's good enough as it is. I mean, like, it's, it's a pretty little badge, and it makes sense. And I don't know, um, you know, it'd be, there's buildings. So just viewing it from an and I just want to state my position.

I am happy to have withdrawn from the branding, marketing, what points to where conversation. Because first of all, I'm way too invested in how we started to, and I read, I recognize this for me, podcasting. 2.0, as we started, was the independent index, which you cannot get kicked off of what you know, with an open API for any app developer to create whatever experience they want, and display whatever they want, if they don't want to show a podcast Fine with me, and the

value for value streaming payments. That to me was podcasting. 2.0 now recognizing the polarizing statements we had in the beginning of freedom of speech, etc, etc, understanding that completely, we even soften that, and we, we've changed some of our messaging, but we realized that podcast index.org is not should not really be a destination, per se, other than what is it and so, you know, and Daniel J. Lewis has put together some very good beginning have some some ways to, to split

stuff out. But maybe all of that is wrong, maybe it is all podcasting. 2.0 and podcasting, 2.0 the namespace with all the features is podcasting. 2.0. For me, podcasting. 2.0 is, hey, you can you can't get canceled and your money can't get canceled. And arguably, that's brought over 6000 people to the namespace because once you have that you have the namespace, technically. And you know, you understand that you need a different app. And these apps have chapters, and they have all

the features. So you know, but that's maybe just one on ramp. And maybe it's not wrong to have podcasts in 2.0 in all different places. It's it's hard for me to have opinions on these things, because I have a sort of a fiery intense hatred of discussions about what to name things. Uh huh. It drives me nuts. How did you come up with Grant? I have a friend named named Chris is the first thing I would have searched for. Like what? You know, I can't I just can't

talk about those things for long periods of time. I'm like, Okay, that's good. Let's go with that. So I don't know, I'm just not the best guy to throw up. And ultimately, the push and pull has to come from the hosting companies and from the apps. That's where it has to come from, you know, and, of course, you know, they have they've taken a different path. But fountain is doing a great

job at promoting the features they have. And I'm seeing more and more seeing companies promoting features very well. But I'm also seeing sovereign feeds promoting, you know, podcasting 2.0 in their own way. So maybe it doesn't have to be a centralized, you know, thing that is exactly this. You know, I don't know it, it feels like it's all kind of pushing along in some odd way. But once people will go to look to host something, or if they have an existing podcast host and host

says, Oh, look at all these features we have. And these are the apps you know, I think the podcasting is a slow grower, this stuff takes years and years and years. That's the experience. I don't know that you have and I'm happy to let everybody else figure this. Exactly. That's what I'm saying is like, It's fine with me, I'm going to my value for value manifesto, which is not done by

a longshot, but I'm working on it. And and that's how I'm that's where I'm gonna push people to get into podcasting. 2.0 apps is through that. But it's it doesn't mean it's mutually exclusive from hyper capture, promoting podcasting. 2.0 was, you know, with location and chapters, location and all the other stuff. I think the biggest the biggest thing I've heard about podcasting 2.0 as a brand, it's I'm just trusting, you know, Daniel J. Lewis is the brand. He's the brand manager.

Oh, wow. You just want to make him a VP. VP. Okay, these done. VP, SVP, SVP, SVP? Oh, that's right. You get some calls from a SVP because you don't want to pay him more correct. no increase in salary, your senior vice president now. That's right. And you get you get you get three weeks vacation a year so to easily it. So as brand manager, he's always said, Well, you know, podcasts and tempo is too difficult for search to search for like, yeah, yeah, the SEO juice is all

screwed up, of course. And that makes it makes sense to me. Totally. Though, it's all messed up. But somehow it's still working and people are flocking towards it. So for me, it's like, when I go on shows is typically to talk about the value for value aspect. And it's bringing people to to the new to podcasting. 2.0 is bringing people to the new apps is bringing people to the hosting companies. So that's my way of doing it. I don't think

there's I don't think there has to be one way or the other. I don't think so either. Now, I feel really good about it. And yes, key back around. Modern is very postmodern to say, podcasting to pornos, whatever it means to you know, maybe the Gen Z maybe they liked that kind of talk. I know it's gonna come down to podcasters using it asking their audience to use it. That's just just what it takes. In

podcasting. It's a grower not a shower I have to give C dubs credit for that see, this is the beauty of doing a live a live podcast you get you get these one liners from people in the chat who like who are much smarter than we are. So I agree with takes me off my game. Sorry. I agree with with Dvorak though, like if we're both looking at the same chat room, it's it's uh, you know, we step we step on each other's curves needed. We needed Dave chat room and Adam. Correct.

Correct. So we need we need to split split this bad boy. Well, yes, yes, that's true. I mean, for me, chat room is something in my peripheral vision that I'm reading without ever looking at it. You know, it's like, somehow because I just the way I have it set up, like, oh, okay, I see that. I'll catch stuff on the corner of my eye even noticed my brain is processing it after years and years and years of doing it. But most for most people, it distracts distraction.

You got a chip, you just got a chip right in your head goes straight, isn't it? Well, it's all I do. Dave, I don't have any other talents. Give me that. Give me that. That's the talent I have. So I'm super happy though. stuff is really working well. Yeah, always. Yeah. But I feel a little bit out of the out of the promotional loop. But man, I did. What Bitcoin did was the Peter had not had. That's been the weirdest part. Okay. Sorry to interrupt. That's been the weirdest part of the last two

weeks for me. I'm a heavy podcast listener. I listened to probably Gosh, 10 to 12 podcasts a week. I mean, I listen to a lot. And the last two weeks. I've been so hands on with my son and everything that I've really not. I've not listened to maybe to three episodes of an I feel like I feel like I've just completely out of it. Like I haven't listened to that show that you were on, ever listened to any of my typical standard fare of merit mere mortals. And I'm so out of the loop.

Yeah, I'm also a bit out of the loop because I was traveling. Did use pod friend to download shows for the plane ride? That was cool. That we didn't know. I didn't know he had that. Yeah, I'm sorry, not pod friend pod verse. My mistake. Okay, pod verse. Yeah, use pod verse. And that was very enjoyable. So I did catch, you know, some of some of the podcasts I listen to. But I was just today trying to catch up on pod land. Yep, same, same,

didn't didn't get through the whole thing. I'm always listening to see if he mentioned something that I can get irritated by. I mean, that's like when you scan the chapters and see what oh, no, no, I'm not like that. I'm not I do not scan ahead in the chapters. I won't do it. I like No, I like now they don't really do image changes. But I like seeing image changes when I

don't want them to be spoiled. No, I don't know i But that's me as a creator, you know, I don't want people to listen to 1.2 or 1.5. I want you listen to way I created it. And I just want you to enjoy the experience. And Alex sent me a note and said he doesn't think that you can copyright X and XML. So we were talking last week about bringing in the iTunes tags. And he doesn't think that you can. He

doesn't think they're copyrightable. So like we should be okay, because he's basing this on clear. The conversation of iTunes block versus podcast block. Yeah, we, uh, yeah. Or just all the tags in general, really, you know, if we're gonna bring them all in. So he's basing this on again, Alex, clearly a lawyer. So he's basing this on that Oracle Java lawsuit? Oh, right. You remember that? Yeah, of course. Of course. Who doesn't?

Yeah, where it was like, I think they sued Google because Google had created Kotlin programming language that makes it almost exactly the Java API. And so then, of course, Oracle lost that lawsuit. They lost it and a saying, Well, you know, this, if they if if you can't even copyright a programming language API, then you surely can't copyright. Like an XML namespace. Right? Because then you're I mean, you're talking about you're getting even, like two levels of abstraction even

higher than that. You know, there again, I don't know. I mean, we're not lawyers, but that seems okay to me. Well, the thing is, the law doesn't actually matter to Apple. If they don't like it, they can sue you anyway, and make your life difficult. Just what it is. Right? So there's that they wouldn't sue us. Well, what's there to sue? Go ahead. Hey, could you please help us open the bank account so you can sue us over it? Oh, that's genius.

Hope I help us open this and then you can take all our money, please. By the way, speaking of big tech, everything has kind of cooled down now that things are changing in the world. As we move towards the great reset. You know, we have earnings, not turning out so good supply chains are hurting companies. We're seeing stock prices down revenues down. We're seeing Facebook going silent on podcasting. We're seeing YouTube going silent on podcasting. Hello. So predictable all of it.

There's no money for these for these companies in podcasting. There's no money they thought they could get in on the clubhouse vibe. clubhouse died. For all intents and purposes, I'm sure I'm sure it's being used. But it's not it's not a thing. I've got a little bit of speaking to YouTube. A little bit of some stuff on that so ever. Spotify brought out their video stuff this week. Their proprietary video has just the you couldn't you can upload video to Spotify and

you can see it only if you have a Spotify account. Yeah. Which to me is it's not a policy useless thing in the whole world does it produce a feed is does it have an actual feed even even if it's internal to Spotify? The way I understand it is that if it it does have a fee. And if you listen to it through the feed, then you don't see the video. Somehow it's only audio Uh, I could be completely wrong about that, but I thought that's the way it is. You only see the

video. Holy crap. Is that you? Oh, yeah, I got a blue like one of those Amber Alert. Oh, we'll read it. Blue alert. It's a blue. What's our blue alert? What's the blue alert? Oh cop cop Shopska blue alert Lauderdale County white female corrections officer Vicki white missing in line of duty suspect as a white male inmate Casey white Casey White is 38 year old white male six foot six weighing 252 pounds well. Easy to track. He's moving slow.

with it. He's wearing a hat. Okay, you clearly clearly don't have graphene, we turn that off on our on our open source operating systems. Dave? Have you been in like an airport or a coffee shop or something when everybody's goes off? Hilarious. It's hilarious. It's all different. Yes. Very disturbing. It gives you it's like a disaster movie vibe that I don't enjoy at all at all. Set total Scott. Okay, so we're talking about we're talking

about Spotify? Yes. Because video. Yeah, I don't know. But I mean, this sort of fits into this whole I mean, clearly they want to be you too. They want to take try to make a weird YouTube push. Yeah, but and as I was, I've been going back and listening to a found I found an old sand like an old storage area network box. This is from like, I don't know, 12 years

ago, and it booted up it worked. Yeah, man, it worked fine. It was an old Western Digital share space make sure you you you look for any Bitcoin related stuff. That's always where you find like some bitcoin. Those things like a wallet. Yeah, an old wallet. Exactly. Wow, what's this? Oh, you know what? I'm telling you to do that dad on them telling you that's a good call actually, I'm gonna read the new so I was looking through this thing in his guest so much old stuff on

it that I had. But there is a folder in there called lectures. And I looked through it it's a bunch of old like, lectures from the Mises Institute and old like, religious stuff, like old pastors and sermons and all this kind of stuff. They used to listen to all this stuff in there and I'm find this thing from this like maybe early 90s, maybe 93. From a guy named James Boyce. James boys, of course. Now there's two James boys maybe I don't know James voice. There's there's like a James

Boyce and a James P. Boyce. And this guy was a preacher. And he was probably most famous for doing this old radio show called the Bible. Gosh, what was it called, like the Bible study hour. That's what it was. Bible study hour. And it was originally as this guy named Donald grade Barnhouse. But then James boys took it up. And interesting guy, he died. He died about 10 or 12 years ago of pancreatic cancer. He had to show this radio show for a long time in he's really good

speaker. What I had this old lecture of him talking about the book, amusing ourselves to death by Neil post, of course, is fantastic book. And there's even an updated version of that, which I think postman son contributed to. A really Yeah, it's an updated version. Yes, a great book was I started listening to it while I was doing some work. And it really reminded me of the difference. It seemed appropriate for this whole debate around video and audio,

like video versus audio almost. In sort of what what's going on if he's sort of step back from the podcasting angle, necessarily, and just think about it on video versus audio on its own. And he's talking about he's uses this term as a ref reference to a speech that Ted Koppel gave at Duke University, about television. And he says that he uses this term that we've been van attire used as an Vanna White, is in Vanna

White. So if you, you can play that clip. Yeah. And you said in the first line, America has been the sanitized and then he knew nobody knew what that meant, because he was coining the word. So the next line of the address said that's vanities as in Vanna White. She is very popular That program's been on a long time it makes a lot of money. And as you know, her her job. It's not what you would call demanding Vanna White

stuff. ends on one side of the game board and the contestants are calling out letters and the blocks up, they're represented. And as they call it out, she walks across and touches. The letter was then lights up, if that's the right letter, and when she gets over to this side of the game board, she turns around like that. And she claps her hands that's well, called attention to how popular she is. And then he asked his question, he said, How can she be so popular when we don't know

anything about her? And the reason we don't know anything about her is that she never says a word. She doesn't say anything about herself. And so Ted Koppel asked the question, Is she a feminist? Every male chauvinist dream. And then he answered his own question. He says, She's whatever you want her to be

sister, lover, daughter forever. Those are his own words. If you're a young girl, and you're moving into adolescence, and you're a little bit uncertain about yourself, I think some of the model of what you could be, you know, when you grow up, if you're unhappy in a marriage, you might think mistress like that, or whatever it might be. And so what can come up with is saying is that television is like that. When television functions as television, it doesn't function the way we

think it does. We think of the screen up there pouring out all this information at us. So we're better informed, more thoughtful than any people on the play face of the planet I've ever been. He said, It doesn't work that way. What television does is put up pictures into which we project our aspirations. And the better television does that the better it is more successful. It is. Wow, that's good.

Yeah, that that was pretty interesting, pretty interesting idea that you don't you're not, he goes on a little bit further, later and talks about just the, the nature of images versus that he's talking really about the written word. But this, this got me thinking about podcasting. Because, you know, if you think about the nature of images, like he said, as you, you're just being shown things in order to keep you watching, engaging,

engaged, yeah. Was it like that the you know, the alpha wave, or whatever of your brain is just like, it's so hard when there's video playing in a room to look away from the video. It's almost impossible. Sometimes. He's talking about spoken word, excuse me, not spoken word, but written word is interact with your brain in a completely different way. Yes, and no, go ahead. I'm listening. I have something to say later. And so podcasting really touches as close to the written word as

possible. It's, to me, it's very much like almost like oral tradition. Where you're engaging with we know there's this personalization thing that happens with the spoken word, and it's in particular podcasting. Podcasting, fits in at a societal level, podcasting fits in what we used to know as oral tradition. Because yes, there's radio. And yes, radio a spoken word a lot of times, but but you can't interact with you can't stop the radio in this sort of like, think about what

you just heard and give back. And that kind of thing. He talks about that in images versus Words, Part One. And what postman is saying is this. Television does not communicate by words that communicates by images. And so he contrasts the age of television, with the age of typography, which has to do with putting things in tight the

words. Now he says words, operate rationally. In other words, they encourage thought, you read a newspaper, you read a book, read an article, there's a certain distance between you and the printed page, you have time to think about it. It encourages reaction disagree, you think about why you disagree. If you agree, you think about why you agree. It produces a sequence of thought, conclusions, and so forth. Television doesn't do

that. What television does, is throw up a sequence of images, one after the other, in order to keep you watching that channel. So you don't switch to another channel. And so they can sell commercials. That's the way it works. And so he says, what essentially happens on television is entertainment. That doesn't mean the television can't, to certain degree, do other things. And it doesn't apply, I think, in the same way to videos, training videos, and so forth. That's a different

thing. But television as it functions in society, the sort of thing people watch is essentially entertainment. Now, you say to that, well, so why what's wrong with entertainment? The answer, of course, is nothing. You might as well watch a movie on television and go to a theater to see it. It's cheaper anyway. But what is wrong with television is that it pretends to be More than entertainment. And to the extent that it puts something serious on television, it tends to

trivialize it and turn it into entertainment. So postman then begins to work through different categories. He talks about news on television, you know that the average new segment on network television, this is stuff out in New York, you know where you're supposed to get it and a little greater depth. And then locally, the average segment on network television is 45 seconds. What,

how much can you learn in 45 seconds. Furthermore, it's not just the duration, that's a problem, it's switching so quickly to something else, that you don't get time actually think about what you have actually heard, even though it's short. Alright, this is where typically I mentioned this once every year, or once every two years on no agenda. Put it in the show notes. It's called the Zen TV experiment, in the Zen TV experiment is designed to show you what is happening to you,

and what you are doing when you're watching television. And it is, and you should really do it this thing, but there's weird things in there, like, watch the TV for 20 minutes with the sound off. And then it's watched the TV for 20 minutes with only the sound and no video. And then it's watched the TV for 20 minutes with no sound and no video, you know, and then then it goes into all the techniques they call it's classified as technical events, all the things that that your brain just is

okay with like we're inside, boom, we're outside. So you filled in the hole going down the steps, you know, opening the doors, all that stuff. And it's a really try do it at least once. It's good to review it. You don't have to do all the exercises. But you get the point real quick. And you had Holy crap. There's a lot is an online thing. Yeah, had been pointing to this for 15 years. I've never heard you talk about this. You don't love my shows? Man. I don't I don't have the Cintiq.

It's adam.nz, the Zen TV experiment. How many of you know how to watch television? It's in the it's in the show notes for today's episode. I forget who this guy is. The whole site, he explains the whole site. So it's good. Now I want to say something else before you get to part two. Yes, sir. I worked with Vanna White in the MTV days. And a couple of things. Very smart. Very kind, very cute, obviously. Although, you know, I don't want to say and it doesn't matter. Her manager kind

of a sleazeball. Her agent. He represented like Playboy Bunnies and stuff. No. Vanna White significantly older than I am. And I just remember like, wow, because I was maybe 30 Something she was 50 like wow. Because yeah, pretty Yes. No, we were in a situation we we connected very well. You know, like we were

working together on the show. And she said something very important she said you know Do you know why the way everything works so well on this is we're talking about Wheel of Fortune, the Wheel of Fortune syndicated in you know, 5000 countries, as everyone knows that everyone has their own local Vanna White to know why it works so well. It's not as well this is Merv

Griffin. He's famous television producer who created those King world's entertainment created the Wheel of Fortune many other shows like that, including the Tonight Show was also Merv Griffin. As she said the secret that Merv Griffin always applies people on television are very successful if they have a big head physically a big head she has a very big head she's very tiny. Patsy Jack has a big head Jay Leno The Tonight Show big head and that is a big So exactly what voice is talking

about here? Is this it's so well known that the visual aspects do certain things to keep you engaged. That Merv Griffin apparently figured out big heads keep people engaged Yeah, that that zero content value but it works. What was interesting to me about this and hearing you talk about it even even just submits it. Yes. How much how much YouTube has taken all of these aspects and like random not even you not just YouTube? Tick tock Morson yes take as turned it up to 11

Yes. Make because you've got you've got the rapid smash cuts the the big head thing because they're always right up in the camera so they're Hey, yes. Manga you nailed it. That's exactly right. Do that and even the even the poster images that promote the video will Show that you bet. And I mean that this, this is how this is how you become successful in video in the world of video, which is completely regular your average audio podcaster is not prepared for this in any way whatsoever.

No way. No way. No way. No way. No, this is this is we're just now really discovering how all this stuff works. And he, I'd say probably bring home in part two here. When Nixon lost to Kennedy, back in, in 60. He the wisdom of of the campaign managers was that it was because of the televised debate. And if you can recall what was said back there, Nixon came off hard in a cool medium, and Kennedy came off cool and the cool medium. So he did better. They did a survey of

people after that televised debate. And they learned a lot. They learned that when they asked people who had listened to the debate on radio, by large percentages, like 60 70%, people thought that Nixon had won the debate. And when they surveyed people who had watched it on television, by almost the exact numbers, but the inverse thought that Kennedy had won the debate, because he is telling you something, it's the image that's communicating, not actually the content of what's being said.

Exactly. Yeah. And do is that, you know, is that what, that's not what most podcasters are trying to do? That's not what they're trying to accomplish? Me. You know, there's, there's some but I mean, there's most podcasters are trying to communicate content in personalized connection with an audience most, most podcasters I'm a traditional podcasters are not burn, they're not going for just the quick, you low hanging

money fruit approach. And that, I'd say, I mean, for me, I'll tell personally, for me, I mean, for me, this, this show, is an outlet for the things that I think about during the week. And that's not something that I'm going to be able to communicate in for second, smash cuts. Here's my, my take on this video podcast, YouTube's you know, we have people with headphones, and microphones and talk and stuff. I think it's a, it's just my feeling, I have no data to back

it up. I don't know, my feeling is what works well is that it's highly clickable. So you can so someone can either link to a time code or typically like a Rogen, stuff gets clipped, you know, there's, here's eight minutes, here's 10 minutes, and

a lot of people watch that. And that's really relevant. It's kind of an you know, for eight minutes watching the videos like, oh, that's exciting, you know, I'm looking at the studio, and, you know, there's a lot of things that are influencing what I'm seeing, and it's like memes, you know, it's the same thing, a meme can be very, very powerful. I agree completely with you, to me, and I've, I've always been a radio guy, I want to build a

vision in your head. So that you are thinking about where's my studio when you know, what am I wearing? What is it dark? Is it am I wearing green visor? You know, these kinds of things. And, and, and the I've found success in building a community of people around every single show that I do. And that's very different from having clips that, you know, suck people in and they, they're done and they're gone. And you got a couple of couple of hits for your video for YouTube views and

your YouTube money. It's just a different isn't, you know, it's what people want to do. I know. Doesn't it ultimately all become tick tock. I mean, isn't that where everything? I mean, I think tick tock? That to me. The crazy thing about tick tock is that they they took all of the obvious things about YouTube and about social media money making, and a quick hit and a viral illness. And they just jumped to the finish line. They went through. Yeah,

they're like, you know, screw it. Let's just jump to the end of this thing. Well, yeah, they did a couple of very smart things yet so they they completely programmed it for the dopamine hit for the laugh for the joke for the Oh, that's great. You know, all that stuff. The quick share the quick like the et cetera. Et Yes, you're right. They jumped straight to the finish line. The genius was licensing the music so everybody can use the music and do their

dances. No They're different, whatever the vibe is, you know, there's the dead the dead animal who Music There's the oh my god, the American Kennel Club. Oh my god, you hear the dead. It's either the dead dog or the dead child like, swipe. We're all Tina and I will sit down. We'll do one hour a week, maybe. But she doesn't do tick tock. She has Instagram reels, which is mainly repurpose tick tock

content. And it's totally enjoyable for an hour. We're sitting there, we're laughing our asses off and then we're like, don't we just also we're like, I'm disgusted with myself. Me too. But it's all it's, it's all of the it's all the music is really genius, too, but it's a different product. You know, it's crack. It's a little crack. Yeah, yeah. And we all know what crack does. Yeah. Makes you feel good. Until it doesn't. Yeah, exactly. So that's exactly what it is.

Anyway, just thought just thoughts on the whole video thing I don't. That's very that's I like that. It's a very deep that we just learned. You know, this curry in the keeper podcast. We live in Fredericksburg. There's 10,000 people that live here. Gillespie county is bigger. But now we're under the auspices of Austin and

San Antonio. So we're just talking about our guy who you know, helps us with a garden and you know, Mike, the ex cop who's building a railing for us you know, we got Greg the Greg the welder and we're just talking about these people. Oh my god and stuff comes back like the whole town is listening. Hey, man, I heard you talk you said this about that guy. And it's like, what? On the show? Yeah, no, no, it's Korean. The keeper Tina and I just carrying the

keeper here. We're just talking about shit going on in our life. You know? And it's like, Well, someone heard you're talking about the bubble bus and she's got the pink limos and it's like small town but it's really cool to see what influence a podcast can have and it's just audio. Soon carrying the keeper is like banging mags at local access radio. It's like Wayne's World. And only with with with Ricky and

Lucy. And Tina's like, I see your celebrity babies. Now as you watch this hilarious, so you know that kind of stuff is I live for that Dave? I live what we're doing right? I'm happy as a pig and shit. I love that shit is working. I love we got more people coming in and using the devalue block. I mean, I love this live stuff. It's crazy. You know, we're like, okay, stuff is in it right now. I'm seeing the boost bot is now posting in the chat room that just magically happened, though. I saw I just

saw it. Yeah, this this is so much fun. And you know, I got people chomping at the bit. I got Moe waiting in the wings. He's like, I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. Can we start parallel streaming to podcasting. 2.0. And then he wants to drop YouTube. Nice. Yeah, he's never he's never monetized on YouTubes. And then we would do an auto podcast to No, no, he refuses. He refuses? No. Why? Why? Because he doesn't he doesn't want to get caught up in relying on it.

Gotcha. Okay, well, that's perfect. Yeah, and thanks a lot. And he also was very clear every time hey, we're just here temporarily get ready because we're gonna move over to podcasting. 2.0 when we have the comments set up and right now with this live, this is good. You know, we got the chat room, we got the equivalent of the super chats we got the the boost bot is spewing messages everywhere. This is exciting. Okay, well, let me throw something at you then. Because

I've had this. I had this thought a couple of weeks ago, and I had it written down here. What there's this, you know, the all the rage now is the greater the like social audio green room, all this kind of stuff. And I'm listening to Linux unplugged. They talk about me on the show now. Oh, do they? Yeah. Because I boosted Graham them and said, Hey, how do you guys check all those distros without ruining all of your show? Yeah, yeah. Man, I've like those guys are there I'm part of their community.

Well, one thing they do is every now and then, so they have this constant. They have this live they have the live thing. Yeah. And every now and then they'll throw out. They have some sort of connection back to the room where they can say something and just like, let somebody else talk back. Hmm, that sounds pretty cool. And what are they using? Do we know? I have no idea. I want to find out but I wonder if that that could be part of a different spec where like, like an open

net. See, I'm not interested in the whole Twitter spaces, clubhouse, all that kind of stuff where it's like this big where it's essentially just like a, like a log of dumb Zoom

meeting. But the ability to say, you know, hey, C Dubs. What can you tell me what you like to ask a question and then they can like talk back for a second and like, you're like asking them to participate for a moment I mean, you're not you're not turning over your show to some to like 20 random strangers but you know, you click a button and then they can they can talk. I mean, that sounds kind of what could possibly go wrong. Nothing and I think this is perfectly legitimate.

Anyway, well that's that's definitely there's something more on the production side more than I don't know if that's a if that's if a namespace thing. I think it could be I'm open to it. By the way, that's the thing now you know, the clubhouse thing is my so to talk about this real quick. So I had another horrible crash with the Windows machine was on the road with no agenda. You should have got a new machine. I did get a new machine. Which one? Same one the Surface Pro

six. Yeah, surface six Pro. Okay, now I'm going to tell you should get a different machine now this probably I really like it you know, the fold up everything is perfect for on the road. So but it was just it happens, but it was a bad one was blue screen. You're the new blue screen with an extremely insulting frowny face emoji. Fuck you, Microsoft. Yes. So that's so patronizing. When your ship just crashed and you give me a frowny face something went wrong. I understand is

the worst. So much of that dang loose. We're getting things ready. hanging loose. Yeah. So I post that on Twitter and no agenda social because, you know, I'm down for 15 minutes during live broadcasts, like oh, people will get it. Oh, man. So I'm done with the show. And there's all this like, she uses Unix, Linux. And it just went on and on and on. And I'm like, no, because you can use Linux is not compatible with what I need. And this is the

only device that does it. That even the new versions of it don't do it right. And it's the Motu Ultralite MK four. And it just went back and like no, it's always the same. Like no, but you could do this if you just worked perfectly with Elsa. Here. Pure pipe pipe message thing wire. Okay, pipe. Because I know the pipe and right I'm been diving down this road. Now someone eventually shows up.

I think it might have been Aaron or from nogen associates. Hey, the AVB and I think they replaced this unit I'd looked at it it can do everything I needed to do it will work over regular Wi Fi not with the real problem is managing it through this custom service that runs on Windows. And it had now as the noise gate which is why I always ignored it because didn't have the noise gate. And I oh this is great. I'm going to order one

maybe this is the solution and I put out a bounty by the way. So anyone who could make this machine this box work on Linux $5,000 in Bitcoin, that I'm still waiting for it. I saw this tweet that's big. Because I can't believe nobody's done it yet. Well, I even registered domain name. Mo to Linux. On what is it? I forgot what it is now. Linux mo to comment I got a.com for which is points to that thread. It's like hey, fine, go

do it. So of course everyone has everyone has zero solution. But I ordered this thing just before we get on the plane to fly back from New York. And like okay Sweetwater has a boom I ordered the way Sweetwater walk works is they have a representative and they call you and they and they your representative for that purchase. And they try to upsell you of course and it's nice though, so I land the guy says Hey, Adam, yes, your representative here to Sweetwater Hey, the Motu AVB you

know, well, you know there's we can get it for you. But it may take a while because most of had a big fire about a year and a half ago and everything was destroyed. And and they can't get a chips for replacement. Probably not until the end of 2023 Holy crap. How do you live? How do you survive that as a company? I don't know PPP loan. I don't know. I distinctly remember saying that you should buy two more Mk. I know I know you were right into looking for him and it's

very hard to find. Yeah, it's horrible. So anyway, I know we got off on that tangent just that was just a little side story. So but yeah, but we're still waiting though. We're still waiting for this phantom personalized. Pod father endorsed signature box right. Good luck with that. And I got Dave Jackson bless his soul. Dave Jackson sends people to me whenever he talks to somebody so I get a note from What's the Scarlet? You got the scarlet

what is it? No, I don't have the score. I've got the EVO who made who makes the Scarlet. What's the name of that was the brand Scarlet, the name of the company, Scarlett, Scarlett? Yes, Scarlett and something else focus right Focus. Focus. Right. That's it. That's right. So I get a note from the marketing guy. Hey, Adam, Dave Jackson sent me your ways. He's very interested in that you're interested in new boxes and like, oh, yeah, totally. You got

a bug? Yeah, we got a just for podcasters is great. So do you want to do you want once and you know what? No, to send me the specs. I'll be fine. Let me see the specs in LA know if I want one. I want to waste the guy's time. So then I just like a get an NDA. Oh, no. I'm looking at we don't want NDA, my eyes glaze over when I forget about him. Like I just like, Oh, look at that later. And then he says, hey, you know, any word on

the NDA? So I looking at it. He says, By the way, here's the top line specs, and he sends me the top line specs and yep, there it is. Hey, we even have loopback interfaces. I'm like, bro, I don't need to sign the NDA. You don't need to send the box this is this is built for gamers is not built for podcasters that have it when someone in your company is serious about it. Happy to help them. Oh, man, thanks. I haven't even seen the box myself yet. etc.

If you go up market enough, can you get what you want? Like I mean, if you can, can you go high enough expensive enough to get this thing? Not in the compact not in a compact form. Now then before you know it, you're in pro gear and it's gonna be much bigger. And it's gonna need Ethernet networking and stuff now. You're hauling around a 19 inch rack. So the the Motu Ultralite MK four does it and it's and this

thing was built for stage monitor mixes. It was never intended for what I'm using it for. Man. You need you need to order five of these things off eBay. Yeah. All right. Well, I know some people there's some people who ordered one or two this it I got it. I got you, man. That's back if you ever need it. You just holla Yeah. See? That's what I have on here. Oh, yeah. That's sort of tangential to this. Insomnia. Radio Association in music. Podcasting. Yeah. ringing a bell. Yes. Yeah, that was your

buddy that showed up. It was Yes, sir. Yeah, the old school. So what is this? I want to know about what is the association of music podcasting? Because it sounds like something we need. Yeah, well, we need three of those. Okay, we'll take three association of music Broadcasting's. So he pinged me said, Hey, I really want to do a music podcast. And can I and, you know, do I? Can I play music now? And just stream sets to the

artists? I said, No. But you know, if, if you have artists who have songs that they are making available to you that are not registered with an existing public rights organizations? Yeah, sure. You can do that. And Jason Evangelia. And, you know, yes, of course. Yep. So, he, he's just getting started. It was really beautiful to see he jumps in, I sent him an invite, and he's like, holy crap. I have no idea what's going on here.

I'm really confused. But I love everybody helping out with tips and knowledge and stuff to help catch up, catch up. Yes. Okay. Jason, we're all confused. Oh, yeah. No, I even said, you know, our motto was running, you know, running with scissors. So don't worry, and we all get cut. That sounds like a great thing, though. Association of music, podcasting. I mean, I don't know, is that some old group? Or

is that still around? Or is that a thing he's trying to do? Just I don't know, just because I mean, that the reason I bring that up really is to get over to this thing, which is the taxonomy stuff. So you know, the economy? Yes, yes. Just is releasing an update, and we track that with the person tag. And, but then it's been brought up a few times, I think Steven B brought it up that we need with all these taxonomy things if we're going to do music,

podcasting. And be prepared to support all that. I mean, we need to have a taxonomy this proper for putting into the person tag for that stuff, too. Does that exist anywhere? It's got to Well, I know I jumped in a little bit on this conversation. The thing is that I'm not sure if it really exists in that way.

Or if what exists is to limit thing, because in the music business, unlike radio or even television to some degree, depending on the platform, film you have all these different credits that are well established in the industry. You know, even the even if you're just a gofer just running around for free interns, you know, it's not about money, it's about position having worked on the products use me. In the music business, every credit means

money. Right? So the guy who was changing the 24 track tapes back in the day, also known as tape monkey, that guy would would probably get in the liner notes as a thank you, but would never get a credit because that meant money. Because that whole infrastructures around money. And what I love about the value block and the splits is that you can say, hey, this guy just brought us coffee and bagels every morning to the studio. So

he's he gets a split. But but you know, that's not necessarily a taxonomy. Okay, so let me let me see if I understand what you're saying. You're saying there probably, there definitely is a taxonomy somewhere, but it's not necessarily compatible with what correct we think it's going to be very, very shortlist. So every musician can get. So there's a difference for broadcast. There are certain rights and certain people get paid for streaming. So for

instance, no one gets paid when it's played on the radio. The artists I'm sorry, artists don't get paid. Their ASCAP BMI, the songwriter and the composer they get paid when it's played on the radio through a blanket deal, but not the artists, the artists do get played paid on Spotify. It's all different. It's it's, it's hose is what it is. It's, it's completely hosed. Where's

this? To me? The simplest is, hey, I listen to the song. I'm either listening to the song as a standalone track part of an album, or I'm listening to it as part of a podcast. I know that somehow a piece of my wallet payments that I find valuable to me is going to the right people don't have to think about it. But will it work with a taxonomy? I'm not sure. It has to be open ended at some point.

Yeah. Yeah, I can see that. I mean, it goes like when I put in, you know, my son's band, was the first one to have the value box. And I think I think I just put in there like, you know, drummer guitar, right. Sing, you know, singer. I just made stuff up. But, you know, I don't I don't know, I'm split between the tea because I'll now want to sort of, I guess use my question. The taxonomy is not important for the value blog value blog can be whatever it is. Right. Right.

Right. What is the importance of the taxonomy? What what is what by because, of course, I use it for guests for hosts. I've never gotten further than that. What else? I mean, it's good for Person Search, I guess. Right? Yeah, right. So that would be things like, yeah, people people out there like pod chaser track that stuff and they would pull it in, you know, or it could go straight into like IMDB and stuff like that. Or I'm getting spammed through pod chaser. That's unfortunate. What

is your son's band name? What's the what's the where do we find I just want to put in the show notes because we keep talking about it, but never say anything? Oh, it's Tor concept. T o RC O N? Seven. But the Roman numeral like VI. Torque concept. Two or seven? is like some sort of way your images read images are broken. Bruh mine. Here's the tour con images. The album art images are broken. cobblers kids have no shoes. At least the music still works.

Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's working for me the images working? Oh, no, no, it's not. That's a bad. I don't know. It's probably some of the remix content or cons. It's like a torch sounds like some kind of the tornado rating system. It's like, oh, the EF three or like a DEF CON for tornadoes. Got it? Yeah, yes. Tornado DEF CON. And now the main thing is who's going to build an app for this? See, okay, I've got that. I've got that right here. I've got it

written down. I want to we need a music podcasting app. Yeah. Otherwise is not the first person. How long have I been saying this? Many moons hearse to create. And it's I think it's so much simpler than than a podcast app in my opinion. If I had a second I develop myself a dev that up on the other sheet right? Here, let me dev that for a second. The first person to dev basket. Hey, that's my jam right there, man, Apple scripts. It'll be an

influx of epic proportions. So I'm kind of, I mean, Steven B is clearly sovereign feeds is going to is going to is driving the feed creation process, which is just beautiful. It just needs a little explainer. I think it's so different from podcasting, you should be able to throw your your 12 tracks on some server somewhere along with an RSS feed, you don't necessarily need a whole hosting infrastructure for that. It's not like people

are going to be download. I mean, yeah, if you get a hit, and you got 10s of 1000s of people downloading it, you got a good problem, there's a quality problem and you know, ping me will help you out. But you should be able to put this almost on your Umbral, you know, your your Dropbox, whatever. And we just need to experience and it should be it needs to be called something else. I think that I mean, yes, Steven B. Did you see Steven B? Changed the

UI? Based on the stuff we were talking about last week? In the TV changed the medium tag it switches? Yes. And yes, I think that's what I'm saying. Like, is it sovereign? kickin ass man, it's kicking out is it? Well, yeah, you're I mean, we need a puck. We need a podcast music app. Let me somebody somebody needs to step step up. Dennis. Just simple. It's like instead of podcasts, it says artists and then you got albums, and then you got whatever I mean, you'll figure it out.

See devs dev harder. So many. Dev better. Learn to dev, come on. With this combo. It's hard for me to follow. I'm sorry. Fall back. Yeah. So DC, we're way off people. We've lost the plot now. We're just trying to create the future of media pay no attention. Yeah, the medium tag is what we're talking about the medium tag, Bless you, bless you put in your podcast feed what this content is, it tells you like so you can put in the medium. The

medium here is music. And that means to the app, it signals to the app that this is not a podcast. Like just a spoken word podcast, this is music so you this app, you should expect to be getting music. And so that means you would be able to expect a ban you know the album art liner notes, people that person tags with with Band Aid, bandish names, like drummer and guitarist and right right so that that's that's the medium

test what we're talking about. And so once you have the medium tag, you can make different apps that target those only shows with that media. Where's that again in in sovereign feeds where I can't find it now. Where do you talk? I never I don't use sovereign feeds as your jam I just got I just got a row of ducks law live ducks booths from dreads, Dred Scott and actually has duck emojis. Oh, nice. Let me see. Does it show up in the to the booth spot catch it

and seen it come through yet? Oh, there it is. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did you know my terminals and show the emojis? You see the emojis? Yeah, I'm using I'm using irsie IRCC IRSs RSSI. Yeah, I'm using the same thing but I guess my terminal isn't isn't grokking it my terminals killer. What terminal using? Terminal. Whatever, whatever it's called. Thanks, pal. All right, terminal. Bash. And why don't we Why don't we

thank a few people Dave. And then we can just a few more things we can talk about when it seems like we Yeah, seems like since you saw I just run through some of these live boosts while you're getting your stuff together. They're just so I can read what was said in the last hour. So we got tu tu tu tu tu

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you pretty quick. I got I got some ideas on what you're talking about. Yes, yeah. They've they've been helping. Just keep us alive and going from day one. Almost. I mean, just so early on. Now. I really appreciate that, guys. Thank you very much. And there's so many people. I mean, I don't think people understand like, on the financial side of things, especially early on, there's a couple of times where rss.com came in at the right no rarely right time. Yeah. Really needed.

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Nick. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Oscar. Todd news. $50 Okay. Thank you, James. Thank you, James. Very much. Yes. That I get you to, to rewrite half of our privacy policy in the US Yes, this is exactly this is the value for value system. Yeah. It's not like you're not working Dave Jones.

Well, that's how lawyers work. You know, you pay him and then they have other people who are exactly Lauren balls and is $25.20 their paper and he says, to answer the question, Why $24.20 I think that's his recurring donation is to answer the question why 2420 because 2520 does not add up enjoy the day all right about missing I don't understand I don't know I don't know there's a 420 in there maybe. It may I guess that's where my brain goes. Thank you for this money. Yeah, I

still don't understand which Okay, keep it coming. Keep explaining it. Yes. Try many times in different ways. $17.91 from Michael Newman our buddy the manager of the team's repo. Oh yes right yep. all around good guy says hitting the easy button this month because my outbound liquidity is shot Who here's a here's a Bill of Rights ratified in 1791 stack of Fiat fun coupons in place with my monthly SATs. This ship will spend it as quickly as we can before devalues before our

very eyes. Hey, did the inflation numbers come out today? Do I hope so. I hope you know what it'll probably say is like, oh, it's like 7% that's all meantime in the real world is like 40% Yeah, right. I bought a month battery for mum. My wife's car today. car battery. Uh huh. Same battery about three years ago. Three years ago, this battery cost $165 today $220. Brother I'm telling you we filled up our propane tank.

Before we didn't go on vacation. It was 270 a gallon now 320 And this is not this is not 8% inflation this is way more Yes way. Well, there's difference between headline inflation, which is your food and gas which is your headlines. And then core inflation which is everything else so stop complaining. Joe Biden's doing a great job. Trust your central bankers they're great. It's the Putin price

it's a Putin price hike. How insulting are these people like Adam see heart no relation to Adam see curry sent us $10 No no could not find it all right. Thank you. Thank you very much. That's Mr. Paper I will take it Fiat fun coupons in the in actually Ilan coin we love it inbox okay but oh hold on Well, let's do this properly because I'm still I'm still obsessed with this boost jingle I can't help myself. I love it.

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Okay, I see also a reason the reason for the 1611 SAS is because that's the year the King James Bible was authorized go podcasting go boost. Thank you clay Thank you. clewd blueberry, or we'd like to call him boost Burris and a boob donation. 8008 sets through fountain he says shout out to servo and the amazing work he does. Gal the bot that hangs out in the green room on zero node. Hashtag green room will do all sorts of

amazing things if you ask. She'll even read boosts out. But most importantly, she can now do Celtic Tarot spreads for you, which is some of the coolest shit I've ever seen. Okay, I don't understand any of that, but it's fantastic. So do I have to hit the hashtag Hey girl What do I do? I want to activate the shit. Hashtag green room in his Celtic Tarot spreads. So what do you do? I don't know. Well, do you know help?

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into our node? Okay, all right, um, back to the 2.0 chat room. Okay, sorry, Rebecca and Jen. 5000 SATs. Ooh, she says welcome back. Thank you. She's talking about maybe here maybe? Yeah. 9813 37 leet sets and he says I grew up watching anime with subtitles so it just feels comfortable to have on but not all the time. Will take comic strip blogger delimiter No, no, no, no, that's that. They gotta know he sent this he sent this late today.

Okay, I've got him out of order so I'm outside. Yeah, it's just like to understand why comics or Blogger is obsessed with booster grabbing making sure that he knows that we've boosted gramming That that we have to confirm that the booster gram is received your as your you just said the words I'd like to know what comic strip bloggers obsessed with fill in the blank. Big mistake. Yes. Big mistake should not have asked that. CASP eland 3690 sets the fountain A says I stopped the

33x X donations no more Abort mission donations. I go for the 3690 or the 963 Tesla number donation level thanks for the show. Don't post yes nice thank you cash Oh Karen from the mere mortals podcast he's in the chat room right now he's sit at row ducks 2222 Yo thought brand and he says just listen to your chat on what Bitcoin did Adam really great explanation of podcasting 2.0 and V for V Thank you and your enthusiasm is infectious. And it's going to be awesome to

see Bitcoin 2.0 and V for V all grow together. Don't tire yourself out Dave. We can still take along without the Potts age for a while. Glad your son learned his lesson. My dad always said that Motorbikes are coffins on wheels. Yeah. Yes. What Bitcoin did, that's Peter McCormick, Peter McCormick. I did that interview when he was in Austin and had Airbnb and it was really early in the morning. But I appreciate Peter so much because we disagree on a lot of things philosophically

politically. But we wish He's such a nice cordial man. And he will let you speak and you know he can deal say I don't agree with that. But it doesn't make a big deal isn't argumentative just really leave someone in their own value I think is how the Dutch say it and and so appreciated. And yes, I got a lot of of most of the recent podcast interviews I've done is really, it got a lot of people talking about 2.0 and stuff.

The thing I remember and I've never met him talk to him or anything but the only thing I remember about Peter McCormick is when the whole El Salvador Bitcoin right under thing happened. Like he's down went down there, right? Yeah, he went down. Uh huh. And met with boo Kaylee. And he's here in like, a t shirt and some shorts. Yeah. Shaken boo Kelly, the president of the country's hand. Yes, buddy. Oh, Twitter's like could you don't like like

put on some pants or something? Gotta appreciate it, man. Bitcoin. Let Andy Lehmann from Lima creations a 1776 a little liberty SATs Matic and he says a lawful but awful hilarious. All right. Yep, that was our title. Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marry 50,000 SATs through fountain and he says boosting for David grant hopefully a smooth recovery will thank you. Boost he sends a Pay Pal handsome SATs in this Yeah, we exotic control.

He's a upstanding fellow. Karen from mere mortals back again. He gave us another row of ducks. And he says I've been thinking about two things lately. And unintended consequences and realize desires that are that are only what you wanted in your head and not in reality. This is deep stuff here. Hagar, if Carmen's eaten the shrooms again. I don't know what gal the green room but is handling handing out

but it's good. Good for you. Yeah. I wonder if the people who write these demanding podcasting should articles have really thought it through. If Valerie sponsored her favorite app to implement these recommendations, she would probably hate the app in the app itself would become a worst product. Maybe a case study before wholesale changes to an industry. Yes, good. Roi, slash on sale. 54,321 stats 54321. Roi. Thank you, Ronnie.

He says, Hey, Dave, wishing your son a speedy recovery. Well, thank you, Roy. I'm gonna catch up with Roy. next couple of days. I should give Roy Roy is what I love about Roy. He's always we have signal chats. And I'm sure you have the same show. Everyone has the same with Roy. He's always the guy who will send a hand clap of a praying hands emoji and hearts. Here. He's big on sending hearts and I really appreciate that. Not many men

will do that. You know, not many men will do that. And I really liked that, that he does that. It's changed me I started doing I know. I know. It's funny you say that. I'm like, I love this. The other okay, I'm in New York. I'm in I'm like, there's a lot of activity. I'm going to bookstores, my daughter and you know, this is a bookstore where they forced us to wear a mask. And I was I was a little irritated and I'm just trying to figure out I'm texting with Tina, I'm texting with a couple

other people. I'm texting with Dave for some stuff. And and so I tell Tina, it's like I love you. And then Dave is like, I love you too. posted the wrong chat. My day. My ROI mode. Exactly like oh, okay, I love you too. It's all good. Very bag, baby. Yeah. Sir Doug 4400. Sets, says message is just a value for value. Thank you. Thank you, Sir Don Kim. Oh, Chad Farah. Yep. Love Chad 30 333 sets. And he says I really liked these two plus hour episodes of a two hour episode last week. Yeah,

we did. What was a warm? Post? We do. Long. One on 143. Now Oh, geez. Comic Strip blogger. Let's see. Oh, this is from two diff. That's from last the last week. Okay, I'm gonna combine these. All right. Martin for pot friend. I miss you Martin. 7654. Sets. He says how much pod to the podcast are cast if a podcaster could cast pod kill me. Danish. Yeah, typical. Oh, Macintosh. 1000 sets through fountain he says. Thanks for the

kind words last week Dave? I'm just trying to do my part to help out the message last week was completely messed up by Apple. Apple iPhone autocorrect was something along the lines of Note to self aid to top off wallet. That's why I could only send 50 SATs. It was my last 50 says in the wall. Oh no. You two are awesome. And have been my number one podcast listen since episode one. Oh, that's very, very cool. Thank you. Thank you, Macintosh appreciate and fill your wallet back. Tap that up.

Yeah. Chip 98 gave us 1337 says and he says plus one for making it easier for musicians. Yeah, this is gonna be an influx man. The musicians are primed. And sovereign feeds is where it's going to begin I think. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the sovereign feeds is driving it. You bet. Okay, so chemistry blogger. Here we go. delimiter Howdy, David. Adam. See, here's your polish pal, the CSP hobby cartoon

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Because one thing's for sure we're not getting any part of that Spotify open source fund money. Oh yeah, I love Spotify fun. What a douche bags. Remember the last one? Of course you don't know Dad's curriculum covered that quite well. Now. These guys are so full of shit. All of them, all of them. Trust me, it's all going away. You'll see. Netflix can't even keep their red. They're their members. This is all falling apart in front of our very eyes.

The next the Netflix thing is just sad. I mean that that's they have nothing to eat. You have. But who was it that got bought by discovery? CNN. Okay, see? Let's see. And then and then you got what an HBO part of that deal to did that come out of AT and T and HBO was Warner. So yeah, that's a part of Yeah. And then you had somebody bought MGM? Oh, that was a while back. That was Amazon Amazon, right Amazon bought

in the deal just closed. You've got all these companies that are consolidating their, their, their catalogs and controlling these, they're going to end up with a few companies controlling these huge catalogs of prior films and stuff. And then you're gonna have Netflix over there with nothing. Well, most are going to have nothing. It's, it's it's going to be it's going to it's not going to end well. But also what do you really have? What do you really have and again, these

companies are not really thrown off profit. I mean, Amazon is short for their Amazon Studios a loss leader for them. HBO is the only one really doing it right in my opinion. And I think I think they've been longtime Yeah, they've been doing a long time that they're making money, everyone else is not making money.

I think the time is coming to an end where you're going to be able to in this is where it relates to podcasting in my mind, I think the time has come to an end where you're going to have like these podcasters that where you have a have a good set of IP and you just roll it over there to Netflix or Amazon and turn it into like a like a video book film property. Yeah, because I don't think the money is going to be there to do that stuff.

I mean, I was listening to pod land and I didn't hear everything but I heard yeah wonder he is doing shows with the production budget of $100,000 You kidding me? That doesn't go very far. You know, it's like no, this is not going to last this is not gonna last and then you have the union's trying to take a piece of the Oh, the union everyone's unionizing. Yeah it's it's I just feel bad because phony would you know, it's like, oh, we're all like We're doing productions and we're getting

great distribution. No, you're not. It's a, it's a mirage. The Rogen and a couple of these big deals this mirage. That's not That's not where it's not where it's going to wind up, the budgets are going to stop, they're going to clamp down, because the money is just not there. I'm just going to keep saying it. But show me the profit. And now you know, cheap money is over use of you get money for free, borrow it for

free. If you're a corporation that debts now it's costing actual, you know, as interest rates go up, it's costing money again. Oh, okay. Well, maybe we don't spend so much. Thank you. Thank you, I think we got enough. To wrap it up. Yeah, the only thing I wanted to mention is Umbral has something kind of interesting, which is the Agora project, which is an app when you install it, you can you can specify a directory and you can

put files in there. And people have to pay to download the file or you can also have a, like a free test, and then you can get an invoice later. It's kind of interesting. It's not quite what we need, but it's just, I thought was kind of fun. You know, Hey, you want this file? You can download it if you pay me 500 SATs was Zelicah LSAT thing, or I'm not quite sure how it works. But it works. It does work. does work? I've got I've got a couple of ideas on what I'm going to be

kind of working on this week. And one of them I definitely want to discuss next week. But it's a big topics, I think, I think are too long for me want to just tease it so we can people can start getting mad about it. Yeah. Yes, that sounds like a fantastic. Opening the API. We talked about this once before. So this is we talked about this probably over a year ago. Is do we open the API to where it

doesn't need authentication? Authentication keys? Yes. And, and part of that would be creating also a version two of the API that has this fully restful. So what we have now is not really a RESTful API. It's, it's sort of the Hi, Mina like this. So Do do you typically like pain in your life? Is this why you figured this would be a good project to embark on to open the API and aversion to and restful? Yes, sounds really easy. Yeah. Let me give that up for you, baby. David. Oh, wow. Okay,

that is a big one. Well, that's why I want to talk about I want to talk about don't talk about if we want to do it. Everything in I kind of think we should but I want to talk it out. Let's talk about let's talk let's talk but before we do that, yeah. Yeah, good idea. Oh, man. This is this has been a very successful a boost. sesh boost. A lot of booster grams. Come okay, I said, Dev. Dev, you can have a dev stash. That's even funnier. Guys, they

just have a dev stash. It's like a hackathon. Only cooler. A hack. Everything's cooler than a hackathon. Oh, my brother. I know. We're both tired. But we've covered a lot of ground. Well, the this shows get the shows getting more interesting when we're tired because they make less sense. Yeah. Do we have some guests coming in the next few weeks? I think it's time to bring in some people again, don't you think? By the way, I saw you like, Oh, Dan J. Lewis, we need to have

you on again. Well, you know, that means he's going to be emailing me every week. This week. Can I be on the show? Yeah, we're gonna we need to get like three days for for people to have on the show in the next next couple of months. Good. Good, good, good. Yeah, I've got I'm starting to line them up now started today. But I want it held off because I didn't know what was happening with granting everything right. But, but now

that that's pretty much yes. I think we can bring some people back in and not have a risk of having to cancel the last second. Well, it's I'm glad everything's well with Grant. I'm glad to have you past the hump in, in the big financial world. And, and back on the stick man. And I mean, I'm in it myself, you know, kick my daughter out on Monday and I'm full time as she is she's still there. Yeah, she's staying here until Monday

till Monday. Yeah, but she's great. She cooks she does all kinds of cool stuff. Then I can have you all to myself, baby. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. All right. You can have me every single Friday, David Jones. Have a great weekend. We'll see you next week everybody. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast index.org For more information