Episode 76: Pining for PodPing

podcasting 2.0 for March 4 2020, to Episode 76 pining for pod pig and a whole lot more of course, if only we could be live. I'd love to do it live. Hello everybody welcome to the official board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 everything happening if podcasting does.org with a namespace and of course all the brilliance that flows through podcasts index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill

Country and in Alabama. My confidants and podcasting debutante my friend on the other end, please say hello to Mr. Dave Jones. What up world traveler podcast are everywhere guy? Yeah. Hey, I'm everywhere. Yeah, dude, I went. I went up to Beck's place. Glenn Beck's studio complex in Irving near Dallas. Yeah, I know nothing about this because I by by law, by fiat, I can not allowed to listen to any other Adam curry property until after this show. Yes. Do not all I got was it all I know was a

text from you saying? I'm I'm in Dallas. Yeah. Circling back. And I was like, okay, all right. I'll wait. I'll wait. I want to hear about it when you get back. Dude, that's, that's what I was really? Well, first of all, I stayed with my buddy Vic. So it was a lot of fun, because he's one of my friends from Jersey, you know, we known each other for over 30 years. And so I stayed at his house and, and he went with me, but this Can't he has this like this complex. Have

you ever been to Burbank, like, you know, studios? You know? You've been to Universal Studios. Yeah. Okay. So those really, really tall buildings. He has to have those concrete. And yes, good grief is right. And they're filled with studios. All kinds of, I mean, just what really impressive stuff. You know, memorabilia movie, things like large displays of things. And it's just wall to wall technology, huge studios, multiple sets. It's like what the hell, and I really didn't do

my homework on him. But the blaze, you know, they got close to a million subscribers and paying subscribers like 100 bucks a year. Ooh, let that settle in for a sec. Yeah. 100 you can do you can build a lot of studio space with $100 million. Well, and he has a similar here use a similar building next door, which is I think the tax strategy where he has a museum. And this is him to himself. Yeah. Well, it's not really open to the public yet, but it's all you know, long

rows of tables and documentation. He has smart kids running around who know everything who are curating and documenting. It's like, well, here's a Christopher Reeve Superman suit. Here's a C three P Oh, that's here's the original R two d two. Oh, and over here, grab a hold of this. Yeah, this the handle to Abraham Lincoln's door, his front door, so give

that a good rub. And now here's the Mary Todd Lincoln's dress that she wore when she buried a boy here's the Old Testament in the original box it just oh, here's we think is the first electric chair here is an original Franz Gillick guillotine. Here's Roosevelt's original wheelchair. I say the original Old Testament in a bomb. Yeah, yes. I know. In the original box in a wooden box in the original box. I know. It's huge volumes. Let's do an unboxing of that shit

right now. That's cool. really personable guy. He's my age, you know. And we had a really nice conversation hour and a half. Which of course was now he invited me because, you know, my, my talking about ESG environmental, social governance and how that relates to the banking system. And I had kind of I have a wrap now on that, you know, I got a thing that's kind of down only up to just a little bit. He wrote this book, The Great reset, where he explains these things as well.

And that's the one thing I always liked about Beck is when he was on Fox, that's the last time I really watched him. You know, he's Blackboard and he'd show you how everything was connected. It always ended with George Soros somehow, you know, always. So it was it was nice. Yeah. I haven't heard Glenn. I haven't heard of Glenn Beck show since he was on like, I don't know. Is he still even on top radio? Yeah, he still does a three hour show. Yeah, the show is you know, it's

like talk radio. You can't listen to too many ads. This is probably like, I mean, I haven't listened to him and probably oh gosh, is probably close to 20 years. It's been a long time. Yeah, well, this this particular episode drops on Saturday. No, is this No Is it are you on the blaze thing or is this just a podcast? They put it on on Blaze TV yesterday. So that's exclusive for members and then they put it out as I presume a video on YouTube

that's on YouTube and And then podcast on Saturday. Yeah,

so it's video here on video yes. Yes not your favorite not my favorite but nice that you know this the dark room was to hang in microphones that he has to white microphones maybe you've seen it anyway Now we talked about podcasting 2.0 Yeah of course did you oh yeah no, no I plugged everything I plugged mo facts I plugged no agenda plugged the vortex specifically because you know, it gets all bent out of shape if I don't mention him an index card or something like in your pocket where you're

like, like crossing them off or put a check mark, you gotta get this this dude, I have it in my head and I plugged food intelligence. You know, Texas Slim's beef initiative. Oh, yeah, no, I plug all my boys. Yeah, of course. Of course. That's that's what I do. This is why I'm here. Yeah, that's blogger blogger for her. Yeah, I'm I'm a bit of a plugger so yeah, it was it was quite enjoyable. I'm sure I'll be invited back on for something

else or whatever. We'll see. Quite the operation up there. I don't think people realize just how big that museum about though I don't understand why there's like, it just seems like a general museum. I would have figured you said Museum. I'm thinking okay. Museum to himself, you know, or something like that. Like right now. It's it's he calls it a museum. It's it's not a museum yet. It's

they're starting to lay it all out and stuff. And I'm not quite sure what I'm pretty sure of it's a tax strategy. tax strategy. Yeah. If you look, if you have $100 million dollars, non profit, okay, whatever. However it works, and it's fun. Yeah, this is like people with lots of money do like collect cars. There's all in you put that in a museum. There's all kinds of reasons to do this. Gotcha. It doesn't matter, but I'm sure

he'll open some of that up to the public at some point. It's a hobby lobby guy with the Museum of the Bible or whatever. But imagine, imagine a Costco. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's, that's the size of the building. Mm hmm. It's a Costco that sells. This sells, Mary Todd Lincoln. cufflinks. It's like, get a compass. You know, like a like the two pointy things compass. Not a directional compass.

Yeah, like a draw like scribe. Yeah, right. Exactly. And he's telling the story about, you know, how he, he had it in his pocket one day, and he was just kind of rubbing it. And when he was a little nervous about something, and and, and you tell him the story says this was George Washington's compass. And he hands it to me snap, take that in your hand here. Now rub over that spot. He said, you feel that so he has like it's worn down? He says, Yeah, I have a feeling that George Washington

was rubbing that very spot. That was kind of cool. And then I said, Can I sit in the electric chair? He says, no, no, you can't do that. Damn. That would have been cool. Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see. I have no idea the reach of next programming. I don't know if we'll get people showing up. I hope so. That's, that's kind of an interesting idea that you don't know the reach. I was listening to listening to buzz Castile on

the way home from lunch. And they were talking about tick tock in house some of their videos again, you know, 1000 views other ones again, 50,000 views. And I was just thinking the whole time. How do you ever know that? That's real? Oh, you don't? Of course not. You have no idea. It could be completely bogus. Like yeah, it's completely fake and made up numbers. Yeah. Yeah, that's just a sad thought. Of course not. You have no idea. That's a huge revelation of just come to this social media

viewers. Numbers are fake. Yeah, well, what's interesting is when it comes when I when it comes to reach like you on Rogan, a lot of people show up from Rogan and a lot of people have heard about me through my Rogan appearances. Megyn Kelly, zero Nothing, not a single thing. And a lot of people watch it. I know a lot of a lot of people watch that and listen to her. Um, Tom woods, lots of people show up lots of podcasting. 2.0 Hey, what is

this? What are you guys doing? You know, he's kind of the libertarian guy. So there's an audience quality gets reflected with the kid with like the crossover. Would you say that? Just say that again. So there's like, there's this, there's the actual you can just measure roll number say, Okay, well, if you imagine this world where you can measure every single person that that had this

all it is, okay, well, there's this. There's really truly this many people, but then there's there's the SEC, that doesn't necessarily translate into actual like, doesn't mean that they're really interested in following through. Oh, no, no, that's totally dependent upon the audience. What what type of audience and I can I can understand where Megyn Kelly audience may not be that interested.

Yeah, no, I mean, if they're, if they're more interested, they probably might be more interested in Sharon Osborne than than you. Yes. That's why I got by Thanks for Thanks for rubbing up my face. That's not a, that's not a knock on you, that's I got bumped for it. That was my first appearance. But I'm just doing this a lot. There's a lot of incoming requests, I'm trying to

pick and choose as much, you know, smartly as possible. I love doing the Bitcoin podcasts because, you know, they already kind of get it. You know, you can, so should we save up? Like have a long term goal to save up? Three bitcoins so that we can become Venezuela citizen? Oh, yes, of course. We're gonna go buddy. Yeah, podcast. Yeah. moved the whole LLC. Yeah, sure. No, I'm all in but you know, we have to have six if we're both moving.

Yeah, cuz come well, companies are people too. I'm just thinking we make they made the company person make personnel Salvadorian. Okay, I'm all for that. Yeah. And then we'll just have, you know, what, have housing down there that we visit. And the way to help us reach this lofty goal is by getting a

new podcast app, but new podcast apps.com. Boost us we need to boost boost us to El Salvador in some time around when we're at or you know, in our late 80s We'll be able to make you know, I was looking as a you know, the first thing I look at in the morning is podcasts index dot social. In fact, that's, you know, how your browser prioritizes what you look at me, I It's always number one. You'd see what's going on. Interesting stuff happening. You seem to be doing a lot of shoring up of stuff.

Yeah, it's I'm in cleanup mode, sort of. I'm trying I'm testing out and it's not so far this has been a complete is not working. What's not working? No cleanup your cleanup? Project? No, this this, this, this thing I'm about to tell you is not worked out. Okay. What I've been trying to say I've gotten multiple priorities. So I've got the namespace. The index is what you might call ancillary software, like, like hello pad. And then you and then the just the podcast. So I'm trying to

figure in well, I just really probably one more is. So social contract. What I'm trying to do is separate and have like one week dedicated to namespace This is per month. Like because tasks witching just sucks me dry. Right? If I have to do like five different things in one day that are in different spheres, spheres of, you know, you need unity. You need headspace for it. Like if you're doing lightning shit, you're in different headspace. Yeah, yeah,

no, I totally get that. I have that problem, too. With all the codes. I love the coding. I do. It's really annoying. I know that about you? Yes. Especially between languages. Yeah. Oh, my goodness, the switches so hard. And so trying to figure out if I can do okay, dedicate a week each month to namespace another the next week to API the next week to index in the next week to you know, something like other software under Raja. How's that working out for you?

Yeah, it's a disaster. It's complete disaster. I'm sorry to hear that. Thing is like, I knew that was the answer somehow. Yeah, I started the week like, Okay, this is namespace week. And I haven't looked at the namespace in two days now. So this is what I have with to do lists. Whenever a to do list is

definitely the place where tasks go to die. You know, and yeah, and just and they just hang there, and they sit there and then what you do, like, I'll start a new to do list, because once you put it on the to do list, you feel like you've accomplished accomplished something. Yes, exactly. This is exactly the problem. Right. Okay. Well, how can I how can I make that easier for you, Dave? I know it's nothing. I don't think it's anything you can do.

I just have to actually follow through on my plans. Well, I mean, you you you have read The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. No, hell no, I've not read that. You've never looked at GTD cheat? Get things done. Yeah. No, because get thing get things done. I do I follow the get things done method with the freedom controller without lines. So what is it? What is it's just, it's just a method of having three basic buckets of things you're going to prioritize and again, some very simple rules.

And then you know, with the if you if you combine that kind of with the seven habits of highly effective people you get, so it's kind of a toolkit of a work methodology. You can take little bits and pieces of it but personally, getting things done and you can get, I mean, there's all kinds of outliner based things that will do it but the freedom controllers perfect For that, this is the thing. Well, the thing that I'm most need to get

in most, that's a dangerous work. Yeah, the thing that is annoying me the most right now is is the aggro is the aggregator. So the aggregator split into two parts, you got a polar and a parser. And they run pair, they run parallel. And there's there's eight of them currently, they they are all pulling feeds and parsing them in parallel, right? The the, the polar part of that is called aggravate in it as a node. js script. Yeah. And it's a big mess. It was written back at the

time of node 12. And I've been carrying it forward, we're now on like Node 17. Or send us like five versions back. Yeah. And the since then, the main library request library, HTTP Polar Library that it uses is just called request, that's been that has been deprecated. It's no longer even in active development. Yeah, the bug fixes don't get get done. It's slowly breaking over time, it is slowly getting more and more unable to handle modern quirks within protocol. It's got crud.

Yeah. And so that, like it doesn't, I've been noticing more and more TLS 1.3 issues where it just kill you had one the other day, where did you someone's couldn't authenticate with there was not it, I saw something come into the email, application issues, we there was something with, well, and I still haven't figured this out, it's something buried deep in this library, where there's one seed out there, that that just won't, it doesn't seem to SSL handshake correctly. And I can't, I can't

figure it out. And I've been sort of battling this for a few days and stuff, I've, um, I've started laying out a new aggregate a new puller. And so I've got it framed like wireframe, and it's a rust app and that kind of thing. So I feel like that's the direction I want to go. And it's working well so far. But now what I need to do is figure out a way, the conceptual work for this is going to be to make it not touch

the database. If, like, ever, if all possible, what I really wanted to do is just pull the list of feeds from the database in my database initially, and then never touch it again. And and then let the parser takeover, parse out everything and let it update the database. Because currently, what's happening is the puller and the parser are both touching the

database a bunch. So if there's a, if you're, if it goes out there to pull a feed, and it ends up with a 301, redirect, then it then it stops, updates the database to show that it's a 301, then tries to follow the redirect, and then comes back. And if that if that worked, then it updates the database with with a success, time code and all this kind of stuff. There's all this stuff in order to keep if if last modified since header

headers and all this kind of stuff in shape. So what I really want this new version to do is essentially pull the feed or attempt to describe all the things that happened in that attempt into the feed file that has the content and the logic, the logic is in there, even right now if the parser has to get anything, right and then the parser can pick it up and either parse it or not, and update the database accordingly with what it found in the

file. You know, you need. You need an intern. And you do you need an intern? You do need an intern to help you with your busy schedule. I can I find an intern for you. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. As Kim cannot pay them nothing and awesome around and they can feel like crap. As I said an intern this is exactly this is college credit kid. What's your problem? This is this is experience. This is in fact, in fact, you should be paying us exposure, this exposure.

Exposure, it's good for your exposure. Mm hmm. Okay, that's what I'm right now pod ping is kind of outside of this, but the more pod ping the less. We need to rely on this type of system. Correct. Okay, yeah. If I could talk, if I could tell this guy I know Dan Benjamin into supporting pod thing, then my life would be even easier. hours a week. Let's go find this guy. I saw him show up in a press release today. Or

yesterday, I think Yeah. And I'm like, What is he doing? And why hasn't he requested our permission to go and do this before he went off. Fincher, welcome to the board. Meeting a board member we've had here before. We always appreciate him coming by fellow Texan. Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to Mr. Dan Benjamin. Hey, thanks, guys. Thanks. You know, it's always honored to be here. I appreciate it. That's right. Hi guys. Like Like, smash that like button subscribe. There you go.

You're the Joan Rivers, podcasting. 2.00 I am wonderful. I'll take it. I think I can go with that. Dan, man, Dan, Dan the man so it was just coincidental that we had just scheduled for today or did we pick you up for the most recent announcement? I mean, I think both I think there's a little element of both in life there everything is a mystery. So but I'm you know, I'm glad to be here. We definitely have some cool stuff

to talk about. And um, it was just perfect timing. I think you guys had the the opening and, and Dave hit me up and he's like, You gotta come on. I'm like these course I'll be on course I'll be on so. So Dan, is the founder and CEO of fireside.fm. And Mark Cuban works for him. Whatever happened to that Cubans thing, and no one gave a shit about that Dude, that was just just went away.

No, it didn't go away. It sees they're still using it. They're still out there doing stuff with it raising raising big money signing up. Really NFL? Yes, it's not. It's not. It's not great. No. Is it close is a closed system. I mean, are these NFL podcasts? I have no idea. I don't know what they're doing over what happened to the name dispute. How did that get settled? Still? It's not settled. Oh, man. It's still happening. It's you know,

I don't know. I don't know about you. But like, the prospect of going after a, like a multi billionaire. You know, isn't thrilling? Well, I did it. I did. I countersued MTV over mtv.com. And it wasn't, it was very scary. Yeah, the legal fees were insane. Yes, I'm talking. I'm talking $200,000. Sure. And that was 1992. Yes, it's now that's crazy. Yeah. How's how's the real fight? How's the og fireside.fm? Doing? It's going really well, you know, there. There's, there's

features in the works. And it's just it's slow. Because, you know, I'm doing I'm doing other things as we're going to talk about and so it you know, I have I have people helping me. And that's, do you have internal interns? Don't have interns that I can boss around? And what was meant? Nothing? Yeah, pay? No, no, I pay I pay a lot. So where are you on? I'm just gonna drill you until we get to the meat and potatoes here. Where are you on namespace integration? What are you doing on that?

I really good. I'm behind a little bit. Now. I was in the lead for a while adopt anytime, Dave would date or a dream of a feature? And I would have it implemented before he could? Yes. But good old days before you found venture capital. Yeah, and I'm not in that quite of a fast Mo. But working on it. I want to be 100% compliant to the namespace. And that's the goal. And I'm committing to that guys publicly committing to it. Oh, okay. So carefully what more I can do for you. Time code.

Now you you've been a great a great supporter, Dan, really appreciate I know what you're doing. And we're freeing it, we're freeing it from our corporate overlords over at Apple podcasts and Spotify, who I like both of those companies for different reasons. And I have problems about those companies for

different reasons. But I think that I think that overall, having something like this is, this is exactly why I made fireside in the first place because supporting independent podcasters supporting people that are out there, just just trying to have fun with this in this space and trying to do something that it's important and meaningful. And not, you know, having a standard out there having an index out there is so nice. It's so so, so cool. And you guys have built the

right kind of API, and it's it's self aware. It's a living thing. And I love that about it. So yeah, I'm all behind. Thank you. And what I realize myself a day or two ago is, you know, just looking at how well you can do with with booster grams, but also really the independence and the reliability of podcasts and 2.0. That, you know, as an industry, we kind of think of things like, well, you know, you're not as big as Apple, you're not as big as Spotify, you know, you don't

register. But that's not really the point. The point is, we have an uninterrupted flow. We have features that people want, it could take five more years before, you know, these apps really and this type of function could take 10 years I don't know before the functionality is generally accepted and expected. But we'll get there that it doesn't have to be like this. Oh, well. You know, we'll never be bigger than Apple who gives a shit, right? Anybody who wants to feature anybody podcasts who

tells their audience, Hey, you want to support me this way? Or do you want to see chapters this way, their audience will eventually go get an app. They will. That's just how it works. That's how it's always worked. I mean, the person the first, arguably the first app was an AppleScript gear, download this figured out. Here's the thing I've been thinking about. And I think I read and this was the week of to, like, the two stupidest articles I've read in like years. What one was this? This

article about? The whole internet's gonna become a podcast, wrote this, I need to I don't even know somebody in Forbes. It was so stupid. And then but the other one was, this other article said, the guy's basic premise was the apple podcast app sucks, but I'm but I'm never gonna stop using it. Oh, what was that about? It was essentially like this weird diatribe about how it's hard to stop using something once you have some inertia. And even though it's it's this horrible thing that makes my life

miserable. I'm just never gonna stop using Oh, did James Kirtland write this? No, no, no. This was somebody from? I can't I can't even remember. I don't even remember. I've got it. Actually, you know what I've ever printed out. I shouldn't have to remember things. I printed them. Yes. And it's from Fast Company. That's where it's wrong. Okay. So anyway, the so here's, here's what I was thinking. The problem here with a lot of things, there's there's always this chicken and egg problem of new

features. And he has some, he knows some apps that wait for the for the hosts, and then some hosts that wait for the apps and his chicken and egg. What Why can't we start a industry why a campaign that's that's the word I'm looking for a PR campaign of get a decent podcast app. A modern I prefer modern, modern day modern podcast app. I've been saying this for months and months. And some people pick it up a little bit. Actually, Dream James Cridland uses that very often.

It's the meaning people it was the podcast is the podcasters ship, that's if you want to help podcasting 2.0 You need to remind your listeners to get a modern podcast app. And that's why we have new podcast apps calm.

I feel like there needs to be this PR component to it where people feel like they they're getting like their their money missing out like like a FOMO if they don't also say like this whole thing of, you know, get get to show wherever you get your podcast, that became a thing because it other people were doing it. If we if we make it popular to say, Get out, you know, don't use don't use a crappy podcast app get a better here's

what I do. If you want to ensure that the next time you listen to the no agenda show that you actually get it on your podcast app, and it's updated within 60 seconds of me releasing it and you want all these cool new features, get a modern podcast app, a new podcast apps calm but also the apps you know, apps need to be marketing themselves you know, software that's and not everyone has that aspiration by the way, not everybody aspires to going out of marketing their app, but the

ones that do see success Well, it's not just podcasting 2.0 apps to its I was the broader indie independent podcast app ecosystem so I mean, that's that's for us addict and then and for us it's hard when people ask me all the time, what do you recommend? I can't recommend anything that's not fair. Yeah, go Tron. And I like them all for different reasons. Honestly. I use five six apps continuously. Same now but yeah, I feel I felt like we can make a dent in this

behemoth of apple pie. I go back keep going back to this example of Google Chrome that never ships on any computer all these this this dominant market share that Google Chrome has grown because people point that's a huge point. Dan, you're a marketing guy. What do we do? Dance Dance more marketing guy they you know believe me damn it when I say that I'm sincere. I'm not the reason I laugh because I'm the only things that me and

Dan have ever done together have been dismal failures. How about that you add that user ID about this? I mean, you know it's been picked up by everyone it's supported across the industry universally and you know, we're getting our we should be getting our Platinum our check for that. Yeah, and the check to check Yeah, where's that? Um, I don't

know what you guys I don't know. Because the thing is, you know, if you if you look at the stats, and I'm I see stats all the time with the fireside stuff and I'm seeing them in our spooler stuff to some degree. It's I mean, it really is overwhelmingly still like everybody, stupid. Everybody uses Apple podcasts like it's, it's there on your phone. And it's that's the the

really at the end of the day, it comes down to that. And the difference is that discriminating people will say, Well, I'm going to try a different app for this, or my friend said to try this one, or I'm already using a different one. And they don't care what's on their phone, when they take it out of the box, you know, and you're to your point about Chrome. Yeah, people have to go and download Chrome. And they

have to know to do that. And I'm always a little bit surprised when someone that I consider to be kind of an Normie, or a new, you know, somebody who's just a regular human being has chrome on their Mac, for example, and they're not using Safari that always throws me a little bit, you know, but we have so again, it doesn't matter to me that most people listen on Apple. In fact, the more apple breaks, the more people choose the modern podcast app, I have it every single day.

It's like, Oh, it didn't, you didn't upload it to Apple, okay. Go get it, go get it over here. Doesn't doesn't really matter to me. And it doesn't it overall, doesn't matter. We have the connective tissue, I believe. And it just it's taking time, but it's taking off of the value for value streaming payments. That's what binds everybody together. incentivize incentivizes the entire ecosystem. And we're moving towards that. It's just time. It's just time. And this size

doesn't matter. But Apple be the number one, lots of people drive ugly ass shit cars, too. Well, now the the Google Chrome analogy, I think it kind of bears out what it what it means to be cool. Give me a pretending like because Google doesn't have a marketing budget for that. How about the search engines? I mean, there's all kinds of there was on both sides. It's on both sides. It's you know, you want it but but the marketing the marketing budget

for Chrome? See, I don't think that's where they won. Because Mike, Microsoft has marketing budgets to it that at one time were much bigger than Google. And what I'm saying is, I think the chrome one, because it became uncool. To use Internet Explorer, that's a very valid point. It became like you were you were a loser. You're considered to be like an old, like an old, you know, like an old person. Like, it wasn't like Facebook, Facebook or whatever. Oh, you still use Facebook? I

mean, that's like, I would never use that. Yeah, right now, right. So somehow, somehow there, there has to be this, this cool factor that, that that happens and, you know, clear clearly. I know everything I'm talking about with marketing. So that we have we have 15 cool factor features. You know, some nerdy Well, chapters is a real thing. I mean, chapters is something being being discussed. Let's talk about spooler right now. And by the way, James Oh, bogs didn't contact me and asked

me to be a part of this wonderful venture. I'm so disciplined. I'll take it up with him. So disappointed. How did this come? What is spooler? How this come together? Dan? What? Give us some details. Yes. So um, so I think it was like the original idea was fully I think, fully formed before they before they found me and this was the, the founders or Andy Bowers, James bhagsu mentioned and Henry Blodgett who, who runs insider comm. And they had this concept, I think they called it something like,

like, like always on audio news, or something like that. But the idea behind it was really, the idea that you could have, you know, podcasts are, are primarily used for things later, right, like, oh, the big now, whatever the Big Apple event, and then we're going to talk about it later or whatever. Because it's difficult to get that kind of immediacy and urgency around a podcast. Now, when you record because your background is in broadcasting, you've got a really, really

great workflow that lets you record something. And essentially, like, it's live to tape, you can you can publish the thing almost immediately. But, you know, even even something like that. It's, it's a different technology, a different technique than the way that news companies are really organized and set up to run. And so the idea was, maybe we could use the kind of content insertion, I won't call it ad

insertion, because that limits the concept of what it is. But that that same technology that's used for dynamic ad insertion in a lot of podcasts, couldn't we use something like that to create content that's based on stories, news stories that are breaking and that are updating? So what you have is you have this concept of a new story or a new segment. And and so the example you might use is like Biden is going to In the nuclear summit, Biden is attending the nuclear summit, Biden attended

the nuclear summit. And I had this to say about it. Well, technically, that's one story, right? That's a lifecycle of a single, a single story. And maybe there's a way to take that story. And automatically as the story gets updated, essentially, publish that. But have it be part of a bigger set of news stories that in other words, isn't is an episode of a podcast. But then as these individual stories get updated, the episode can be republished, some of the content is brand

new, some of it is being updated. And so you get this almost like a river of news. That was kind of the original concept. And so the, you know, using those tools to do that, that means that you can have different reporters or different voice talent or different content creators in different places. They're all saying, Oh, here's a news story, they can

record that thing and publish it. And then it gets updated within this larger episode, this larger podcast, and that's kind of the, you know, the the genesis of this idea and just does a new episode each time or you, you, you pick up the same episode, each time is different. Yeah, you're getting essentially because of the way that that gives you IDs work behind the scenes in order for podcast

clients to actually get that update. Right? It needs to be a new episode, otherwise, the people would only ever hear those updates, if they, so maybe you ask him what kind of spec for this. But, you know, because right now, the thing that triggers a podcast client to download something is that different grid, that's what it says to them, I've got something new to download, it's not published date, it's not

anything yet. It's not the title. It's that grid. So in order to push new content out, we've got to update that well. So that's where kind of the genesis of this embeddable player that is really useful for a news organization is, and that is we use a completely different mechanism to update these players. But the idea is that you go to the website, in this case, it would be insider, but could be any, any news website,

any website, you would go to that. And there's going to be a player that's going to be automatically updating itself, whenever there's new content and showing you what's new. So alright, so hold on, he calls let me understand something. So yeah, part of the strategy is you have a specialized player, which is necessary for the way it works. And how do we make this work on podcasting? 2.0? Can we make that work? What can we do? Is that a pod ping thing? How do we accomplish this?

Yeah, I mean, I think it could very well be because, you know, again, the RSS feeds with the right kind of tags in them. Maybe there's a way, I don't know. But it would be really great. If there was some other trigger that could say read download this episode. And Mark, it is new. I don't know I haven't given that a ton of thought, but but we get we've gotten, we've gotten you know, we've refreshed

refresh the metadata now on every on every poll. So if something has changed within the feed, like, so, we're looking at the item details themselves. And if one of those item details has changed, it will trigger sort of a refresh in the database. So it sounds to me, like, what's happening is there's a lot of and this is why I wanted to have you on because I wanted to get through this whole topic. The it sounds to me like what is be

critical for this is pod paying support. Yeah. Because Because when, you know, every time the feed or something in the feed changes, or the audio enclosure changes, or something, there needs to be if it can happen, so if it can happen really quickly, like within hours, rather than you know, then is we really need to be getting, like some kind of trigger that says, okay, something changed, something changed something.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, with RSS feeds, you know, there's some, you need something like, like popping, you need something like that. And that's absolutely something that they want to do. Damn. So let me just understand the business here. Is this intended for news organizations to use spooler? Or is the you see this as a consumer product? What exactly is the product? Yeah, so yes, the answer to your question is yes to both things

right now for sure. 100% This is something that news organizations would do when we've had like crazy interest, but they they love this because what this means is typically especially news organizations that have like a radio arm already, they can get rid of people. Well, probably, but what they what they're doing is they're generating sometimes hundreds of news stories, and they're essentially they're

sending those to their affiliates. And their affiliates are like taking the ones they want but when they're editing them down into a radio show or whatever they're doing it's there's like it's editing like it's legit like they're Embroid God Pro Tools or whatever. And they're they're editing stuff together. And with this solution, it's all programmatics when you're listening to something that spelers created,

we're doing everything behind the scenes. We're taking those different news stories, what we call segments, and we're organizing them. And you can you can just by dragging and dropping, you can pick them, you can pick the order. They get a CMS that they put, yes, yes. And then there's this river within the CMS of oh, here's all the stories I can choose from, I can put them in the order that I want. I can put little sound effects in there. I can put in

themes. I can have looping music beds, I can do intros, outros, I can do ad insertion, obviously. And when I hit that publish button, it's going to take all of that build an mp3, it's going to, you know, completely sweeten the audio with the Dolby stuff. And then it's going to publish it both to the player and to the RSS feed. And so the player has a different feed that it uses. It's not RSS, it's JSON, that just a custom JSON that we use

to power the player. And then the RSS feed, it gets updated. And of course, we're doing chapters and everything else that you would normally do do an mp3 file and delivering it down. Yeah. How about podcasts in 2.0 chapters? Can we get some namespace for this? That is very high on the list, the next thing that we're working on,

the pod thing has got to be critical in here. Yeah, we can we can, because what it does, excuse me that the way I see it is it would help you with your consumer part of the business, which is it seems undeveloped as of yet. Yes. By His name secret or just secret secret? Oh, I'm sorry. I need to say, Wow, I'm under NDA. Oh, I wish I could tell you all the secret. I'd love you, Todd. The, you know, we can immediately you know, depending on support, but

I don't see why not. It you know, we can make a lot of this into the new apps. And you would have a consumer play right there. I would love that. Yeah, we and by the way, Dave, they're looking for a senior software engineer, you would like to be early applicant, I can click here apply. And they can't they can't afford me. I don't think so. You're right. So how did you get involved in this, Dan? I

mean, yeah, because you're the chief technology officer. Of course, we all we all know, James, I guess you knew him a bit better than me. James, it's all because of James. So um, James, James left Apple. And I think he was, you know, just figuring out what he wanted to do next. And after, after he reached out to me, I was just kind of I had seen the tweet that he made when he was leaving apple. And I said, Hey, man, I said, whatever you're

doing next, like I want I want to be part of it. Because I always enjoyed working with him at Apple. He was so helpful to me and to five by five and fireside was very gracious. Oh, nice. Oh, absolutely. I mean, and he's one of these guys that he's just like, when you meet him in the first five minutes, like he was so nice. And like, he's always that nice. Like, he's just one of these genuinely kind, nice people who's enthusiastic about the

stuff you guys are doing and stuff I've been doing. And so a little while later, he's like, Were you serious? When you said you might want to work on some with me? I'm like, Yeah, I would love to work on something with you. And, and so that's when he introduced me to Andy. And they, you know, Andy shared what sort of his vision was and he's been in, he's like, og podcaster. You know, he's done so much. And in in the podcasting space, and

really cares about the news is passionate about the news. And, you know, they, they had this idea, and they told me what the idea was, and they're like, you know, do you want to help us build? And I'm like, obviously, yes, this is amazing. This is really cool. Because it really takes it takes podcasting in a direction that I feel like it always should have been going in but it but because the technology maybe wasn't there or

whatever. But that is the immediacy of news, the urgency of news and, and what's really cool that I think, Adam, you would like that behind the scenes. You know, we talked a lot about this concept of defining truth at a specific moment in time. And what we have built into this system is that the news as it's being reported, essentially, in fact, should be

almost immutable. So you have almost almost this concept of a blockchain Nish SNESs in a way in that it what what it lets you do is when when you're updating a news story, the previous version of that news story is preserved. So you have these different versions in any update creates automatically. No, no, no, no news organization wants to have that they want to be able to delete delete the shit that they know and get rid of. We don't want that. That's the but the thing is 1984

I can't have I know but isn't. Wouldn't that be great if you could hold people accountable to the stuff that they said? They were there, Dan? I want your venture to be successful man. Listen to your uncle Adam. Now on this one. We I'd love to support you. It sounds and I like James. I secretly I had the feeling He felt that podcasting was in good hands and he could leave and let Apple go fuck it up. Which, yeah, and that's I've always felt like okay, the Curry's is crazy guy, but I think we're

safe there with podcasting in general. And it's nice to see when Axel Springer who invested in the venture, they're serious people that you know, that's not that's not a venture capital play. That's that's a real that's a real organization broadcast organization that understands this news, etc. Now, I will say like Russian to the Germans do always want their money back. So beware. I'm looking at the podcast feed forum in my right and in understanding that there's only one feed right now.

Correct. There is there is a refresh. Mm hmm. That is the that is the big show that has come out of of the Insider. And that was our they're the first folks that we're working with. But there the plan, of course, would be to have every, you know, every news organization in the world should want to do this. So they should all come in, come to us and say we want that. And you know, and then we can we can come out.

Okay, so then I'm looking at the feed right now. And what I'm seeing is there's so when let's just take this one, for instance, march 4, Final Edition, must sets blah, blah, blah, the title, this item, if if this gets updated with new audio, is what in this item is going to change the GU ID or just the or decal enclosure? Or is there anything visible that changes?

They would probably also change the title. Because they you know, there's technically you wouldn't have to change the title, but they typically are so with each update the way that they're doing it is I think they're releasing, you know, a handful throughout the day. And I think that, you know, you know, Will Will it become hourly? I think it could. But you know, it's definitely multiple, multiple per day. And

they typically will change the title. So depending on how you wanted to do it, you might have a morning edition afternoon or an evening, what they call the final addition, for the day two, this will be so sexy with chapters with links and transcripts. Oh sexy that your your customers will love that. I would hope so. Yeah. So do you have customers yet? You have you have customers in the door? Oh, you know, I can't NDA about it. I can't talk about but yes. I

mean, yes. There's a lot of there's tremendous, tremendous and shocking, shocking interest. Okay, calm calm down. You're doing it. You're overshadowing me, you're overdoing it now. Damn. It, yes. Now. Okay. Now, so the URL of the enclosure does not change. It does when a new episode is updated. So that needs a new new file name in the case so that it would would change to if they if they wanted it to. And there's, you know, it's unfortunate that

that's the only real mechanism that we have. That's the only way that pod ping brother. That's why pod pig is perfect for this. So if and all your publishers need to hit pod ping, and then you're done. So if we have if we have pod bacon going and we don't update the grid, I don't know maybe the file name updates, will that cause an redownload to happen in NUS compliant nines?

No? Well, it will, it will tell comply, it will tell anybody watching the piping, Blockchain activity, it will tell them that something in the feed changed. And they need to go figure out what it is right. So let's get going. We'll get going. Yeah, the way we would do it is going to be that if if the title changes, or the feed route URL changes, or the pub date changes, anything other than description, because description can be dynamic, and it doesn't mean that anything substantive

changed. So if any of those other fields, title gwit, obviously enclosure and pub date, any of that jazz, if any of that image, URL, any of that changes, we'll get we'll get the new copy. Correct, but can't but can't pod ping signal. Hey, update to XYZ, here's what you got to do. Well, here's here's what, here's what I want to ask you about that specific thing. Dan, is that, like, is there a live component is going to be part of spooler? I mean, I, I think I would like to build that that's not

something we're talking about a lot. But I would I would love to okay, because that that's, it makes that seems to be the logical next thing you think of is like if you're, if it's sort of like this rapid news update thing, then you would think that there might be a sort of live component where it's like, okay, I can go live now. And yeah, here's the thing. Here's a broadcast and that will be you'll, when you finish it, it gets stitched into the audio.

Yeah. Can I use that on our show yet? Dave? Is it almost ready? Yeah, yeah. Wait, I'm waiting on you. What do you mean? You're waiting on me? You told me. Don't Don't do that to me. Seriously? Yeah. What am I supposed to do? I think we're good to go. I don't know what to do. Yeah, but we get it. We get a cuddle and talk about Okay. All right. Well, you haven't been very cuddly lately, dear. It's been a little annoying. I'm not the been the one. That's okay.

Well, listen, I my job so I can feed this family. Okay. There's a lot of love in the room. That's very exciting. Dan, I look forward to us integrating with that. That'll be very cool. Have you gotten into value for value at all? And not related to spooler? But just podcasts and into boosting and streaming? going, Man, I think that's where everything is going. I think. Could you could you could you rephrase that and say, I'm shocked at the interest. It's just outrageous. It's

insane. What kind of interest there is right now and value for value? I'm seeing it everywhere I go. I love you, man. Yeah, have you a future way of the future? Have you used it yourself at all? Not in as effective as a way as you do. But I have one show now that's completely listener supported and I would I would prefer to only do listener support on a personal level. Only doing listener supported only only doing things where we have direct engagement and involvement with the audience.

It's so much better even if it means I make less or even if it means I make very little I think it's worth it because it'd be you don't that's the thing. Well, the really doesn't matter. And with the booster grams, people going nuts. It's really interesting. It's we transitioned, except for our monthly pay pals. And you know, we have two larger, larger donors, Mark, overcast and Buzzsprout. I think the transition to streaming SATs and boosting has been pretty good

actually. We probably it's a little lower overall, but but people there's more people doing it. And in hell kind of froze over. I actually opened a channel to Todd Cochran node today. Really? I didn't expect that to happen. Yeah, he built himself. did he build his own node? Yeah, he's got a Raspberry Pi with an M with an umbrella. Yeah. That's pretty cool. Why don't you? Why don't you have an umbrella? And I mean, Raspberry Pi on a lightning node and stuff. Dan,

me You're, you're such a geek, you would love that. Yeah. You totally love playing with that stuff. I would love to get it with all your spare time with all your spare time. Yeah, that's that's the only problem. That's a problem. Yeah, I am. So go ahead. No, she is so from this new this from from this new product? What? What has jumped out at you? And this is the other big question I want to ask of, of what? I don't want to phrase this. What have you seen that would make it what

tags? Or what new things in the feed? Can we build that would help you to more to more realize this vision that spooler wants to do? That's a great question. Because, you know, like I mentioned earlier to power the player, the player has little, you know, it's essentially like a mini podcast app in a way in that, you know, we can pull data, we can do things right now delivered mainly over RSS. And I think, really, there isn't that much that that is in that that's in there that we want at this

point. But But what I can see down the road, when when I think about this, I think about personalization, like how cool would it be, if I could say I want this kind of news this way? You know, how do we how do we add that layer to it. And I don't know if that's something that you guys can, you know, can

build in and can help with? Or if it's just something that I think about a lot because, as you you know, like, if you look at what happened with the cable companies, how they basically said, this is the cable plan, like you can have this and you can add HBO and that's like it to what we have now, which is well I like the Disney plus stuff. So I'm going to get Disney plus or I like what HBO is offering. And now we're having to pick and choose from all these different companies.

It's it's almost like like that in a way from the podcasting standpoint. If you could say I just want this content, or I want this content from here and this content from here and this content from here and imagine it all coming together and in one place. That's kind of what we want except right now we're

having to get it from all these these different sources. I don't know really, if it's talking but I'm thinking about better attribution if there's a better way than just the author tags but credit for writing credits, you know, I'm saying something that allows if, if you have an episode of a show that might pull content from lots of different places, I feel like attribution is going to be more and more and more important over

time. So along those lines tool that brings up a couple of things in my mind, we've got, we've got a few different proposals. And these, we hit a lot of easy stuff in the beginning of the namespace. So a lot of and I say, easy in quotes, what I really mean by easy is that they were sort of obvious. I mean, you had things low hanging fruit, low hanging fruit, yeah, chapters, and you had things like pride, like a license tag meeting things like

this, this like, Okay, well, fine. But then, as we go forward, hitting the harder things, the things that take longer to build, and they need schema, and they need protocol. And so like things like the cross app comments and all that jazz, here, one thing, there's a few of these types of things that have been banned, you know, thrown around. One is podcast

related. And I think Alex gates brought that up, and sort of this would be a tag, a related tag, which was, okay, this, this episode of this podcast is related to this other episode of potentially this other podcast. And basically a way to reference other material in other podcasts within a certain feed item. There's, there's that idea. And that would be that was kind of designed more for the mythical discovery.

I think it's more than that. Because like in this was defined in the context of being able, so if you have a live item, if somebody goes live, and you have a live item in the feed that live item ins, well, then you may also want to then publish another item, that's exactly the same thing. So here would be the flow, it would be, you go live, they listen to your app, and it's live. And then that live stream ends, will then then the podcaster, goes back edits, the edits the audio down into a

published state, publishes it as an item. And now you could potentially, if the podcaster wanted this, you could have both in the feed, you can have the live unedited raw version in the published version. So this is sort of like a studio track and a live track. And they can both be in the feed. And in that point, you would want to say you'd want to be able to connect them somehow to let the app and the user know, these, these are two versions of what is essentially the same thing.

Right. So that's really, that's the related idea that you would say, Okay, this is related to this other item in this way. So I could see something there, if we flesh that out. And that becomes as it gets more feet to it, that those sort of connectors between items, might be a way to go and do that. Then there's this other notion that that Tom and Kevin came up with of channels. And these words, they're sort of like thinking along the lines of part of the new Apple podcast, ecosystem

channel concept. But but really not so much. Just that channel concept within Apple is tied really to subscriptions a lot. So those are more like networks. The these are the channels would be more like groupings of related shows. For any reason, not just because somebody's got a network. And a wonder, I mean, that's one of the some things like that may address some, do you think that would address some of what you're thinking about? I do? Yeah, I think that's a really neat way to do it. And I

absolutely love the idea of the live stuff. And I could actually see, oh, you know, just like y'all doing broadcast journalism, where you have someone introducing something live, and then you've got the package that's already been made, you know, I could see something like that working too. I think it's there's a lot of potential, a lot of potential,

I was thinking about namespace tags. And in the context of the last board meeting, where we were talking about claim codes, and it kind of dawned on me, that everything that's that you need to claim code for, should almost by default, be a namespace tag. of almost all these companies are adding some value, but only within their own, sometimes fully, sometimes semi walled garden. There's no benefit to all the podcast apps.

But you know, when it comes to comments, ratings, all these different things, that's all it's all versions of the same

thing. It should all what do you think Dave? mentum it's it seems to me like you should never have to go claim something for a service you should be able to put you know, that information should be able to be handled in a decentralized way and and the namespace tags does that in most cases, I think yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not saying you know, remove, remove other companies, etc. But a lot of these things that that these companies offer, as I get Because I get spammed because my

email addresses in the feed. I'm like, Well, yeah, you know, we can do? Well, the thing that pops up first, I mean that we, you have to do sort of a claim process with podcast and washer. And that that is well that I'm separate. I'm sorry, I don't mean to bring up the authentication part because I'm in agreement with you there. I have no problem.

Okay, so you're separating, you're separating ownership from authentication somehow, or I'm or what I'm saying is most of the places where you are asked to authenticate are features that should be in the namespace. Oh, okay. I understand. Because so what you're saying like in our ours is, would be a good example of that. So we were, you know, you're claiming, claiming your feed on podcast or wallet, and then you and then we hold the value tags, since you can't

put in your feed yourself. But really, you should be putting in in your feed yourself. Yes. Okay. Exactly. Exactly. But, yeah, so Well, precisely. And as we, I think those types of shim companies, who also again, can be incentivized through the value for value streaming, distribution. You know, that that's the way forward in even if the if these companies go off and do their own thing, I think we should always be looking at what are the features people are

strapping onto their feed? And can we put it in a namespace tag? Yeah, next is what watching what? Watching what the industry for lack of a better term, watching what people are seeing what they need? And then okay, how can we do this in a way where people don't have to have some Yeah, it helps all those companies with those great ideas to get into all the apps with whatever they're offering. Yeah, that makes sense. It does. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense.

Because you can see that you made it if if enough people need it, then just make it where it can be canonical within the fetus. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's a V there. Have you seen this impervious browser? Not even heard of it? No. So someone sent me this. It's the Impaler pro the impervious.ai. Right. Yeah, that's the same P Yeah, I have seen that thing. So the impervious browser will be launched publicly, April 7 During the Bitcoin 2220 22 conference in Miami.

Oh, no. Okay, let me let me try to describe to you what this is. And you'll tell me if I'm, if I'm even close. All right. This is just from the name. This is something that is going to try to be like Tor. Oh, and it's going to go pump all of your browser requests through the Lightning Network. No. Okay. I don't think so. Take all that back.

Okay, I'm reading from their press release. And it's quite detailed actually what they have features zoom without zoom Google Docs without Google medium without medium WhatsApp, without WhatsApp payments without banks identity without the state all without centralized intermediaries built into the impervious browser. So they have secure peer to peer messaging. They have peer to peer web RTC data channels for audio and video calls, then they have the decentralized local

storage is interesting. And files can be encrypted and stored locally, both the browser designated encrypted system database can be published to an anonymous publicly accessible decentralized data store IPFS IPFS managed automatically fully integrated into the underlying impervious Damon, files published IP Fs can be universally accessed via IP NS and persistent link, you know, they have they've they've connected all of the you know, the API payments for API for

IPFS, hosting, etc. I mean, this thing is, it's really it's quite amazing. It's so the whole idea is everything is decentralized. And we've thrown in. They have API's to the Lightning Network. So there's no mention how that works. I'm sure there's somewhere someone's doing wallets stuff somewhere. But it seems like they're really like it might be a leap forward in decentralized everything. Just looking through this could be interesting.

You know, especially if it's based on, you know, chromium or whatever, you know, if it's a modern browser, but I bet it is. Just I just looked at this and like, well, that's kind of I mean, that's kind of all the things we need. Built in IPFS pinning services allow for persistence, all availability, even when a user's IPFS node is offline. Man, I appreciate ya way and verified lightning invoices send and

receive lightning keys and payments. Create pay to play links, prompting peers to fulfill a key exchange or lightning invoice invoice. To view premium content, Port existing audiences to bolster subscription content revenue resiliency well that's a marketing jargon jargon right there. offer goods and services via linked associate links associated with well that's like airline URL. I mean, so they do

have a lot of interest here store. What was the since? I don't know, I want I'm kind of I'm semi excited about this. Yeah, well, I want to see the slides released in April and not heard about this decentralized identifiers. Di D coms that there's there's been a few things in here that I've never done. I've never seen these words before. Such as, like di D calm. What is the D O. That's just decentralized identifiers. So your you can identify

yourself with your key. For longest like you're really you really hemming and hawing on this one Dave doesn't sound like you're really like, don't impress me much. Okay. No, that's I'm not saying no, it's not that it's not impressive. I did I need. I'm caught off guard about this, because I don't. I saw was I saw, I saw, Wow, the goal is to allow I guess, to allow everyone to publish, blogs, the podcasts, etc. Without hosting companies. And with revenue streams built in? I guess.

I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical. This This sounds like because impervious.ai is the ones that. Now I'm not trying to say this is all they do. But I know they've done multiple experiments with pushing things through the Lightning Network. Like they're the ones that did that thing where they delivered on a podcast, or mp3, through light through lightning channel. Oh, I didn't know that it happened. That's a horrible thing to think

of. That's awful. It's awful. And I kind of look what kind of channel liquidity do you need for 100 megabyte file? I don't know. But it sounds like a horrible thing to do is um, my first thought is, oh, that's what not doesn't seem. It doesn't seem to be that. Well, we'll see. I mean, I'm okay. I just love all of these, you know, self hosting homes, things that are popping up and we're going with the best will rise to the top, no doubt.

Do you do any of that? Dan, do you do anything like ownCloud? Or any of that jazz? No, no, I'm not really doing that. Oh, man. I love your cloud. I love my next cloud. It's not something you've ever gotten into is the is the whole self sort of self hosting thing. Oh, no. I mean, that's exactly what I used to do. For years, I used to run an internet hosting company out of my spare

bedroom in my apartment. I mean, no matter like you personally No, but I'm saying like I always used to do the personal stuff and have control and do the self hosting and all of that and I just kind of got you got get you got captured you get you You gave it to the man and gave it to the man I guess I mean, like, would running. I mean, I have a Synology I could share stuff off of I guess. You want me to do you want me to do next cloud? Is

that what you're trying to? No, no, I'm just what I'm just wondering how committed you are like if you're on the but you know, we're on that tip. When we get when you get an Umbral and you look at that app store, there's just things in there that are just groovy little toys, you know, like the next cloud that sets up the instance for you. You know, this is I don't know this, it's piehole. And you can run it from any device. They've got the VPN, the

tail scale, there's, it's it's kind of getting there. I'm feeling this. I'm feeling this. Yeah, I hear you. Say you say seriously, go look at I have the next cloud site open right here. Your career gain control the self hosted productivity platform. It keeps you in control by next cloud. Now. What we need is we need Dan just to be around us wherever we go. Dave So you can just say hallelujah, that's right on. Aha. They call it a hype man. Yes, exactly.

Yes, we are hype man. You can do that. You're good at that. And then we'll do I'll do it for you that free I'll do it for you. No problem. Should we thank some people Dave. Oh, yeah, sure. You get time to stick around while we'd love to do that. Oh, awesome. So this is a value for value. Project as we would say in Canada. We talk to subgradient road it's a great project pro J to project now I don't do a jokes anymore after that truck.

That trucker thing I got respect for him. Like I love it. I know but I'm showing even I'm giving them more love. Okay, but I will I will mess with project to this project. Podcasting. 2.0 is completely value for value, which means only if you think you get any value out of it. Then you need to put some back in that can be with one of the three T's time talent treasure We need treasure to keep the machines spinning, keep everything worrying, worrying. We worry enough but to worrying

with an eye. And you can do that by going to podcast index.org. There's a link at the bottom Big Red donate button, you can hit that. And is the QR code for Bitcoin on chain up there yet? Yeah, on the site. Yeah, that's on there that tally coin. Oh, the tally coin. Yeah, perfect. Or you can get a modern podcast app, but new podcast apps calm and boost to your heart's

content, send a message. We love reading them as well. And it's also just a great way to continuously support the Podcast, the podcast app that you're using, because we have the distributed digital royalty system of the value block splits. And you also help podcasts index with that, and we highly appreciate it. So we're gonna thank some of these people now. Yeah, well, this, this show is pretty much owned by Dred Scott. I'm going to tell you that up front. Oh, all our big baller.

He's hiding from his wife in the closet and sending out and just giving all their money away. He did a round man he did around he did. He did a big ball around Moe facts, no agenda. And now tell us if he if if Dan had at a lightning enabled podcast, he would have been in there too, but Dred Scott would have thrown stats at him. That's right. That's right. Dred Scott $345.67 through PayPal Bala shot 20 blades on the Impala Whoa, Dread thank you

that I was talking about drab again last night with Tina. She says cuz I said drip donated $345.67 to no agenda. And and he did it for podcasting. 2.0 and for mo faxes. What does this guy do? I said what was she she doesn't listen she listens to almost everything I do this one she doesn't listen to I said Don't you know that he's the Bruce Wayne of podcasting 2.0 He's an heir to a billion dollars he has a Batcave the whole thing any any any in his cave. He does chapters to help

people and then he's giving away his fortune bit by bit. Satoshi by Satoshi. She says what really? Yeah, are the bill The Bill Gates, they give all your stuff away? Yeah, yeah. The war the Warren Buffett. Warren Buffett give all your money away. Thank you so much. Dr. This is so meaningful. Really appreciate you spin on tear man. Then don't don't kill yourself on anything. It's just a horse. Like, Listen, I I get the chapters from mo facts under the other from no agenda tomorrow.

It's like dude, anytime it's cool. It's cool. Yeah, any time we we understand. Get a message from some time. My my child's in the hospital for three minutes. My house blew up my dog died. But I got the chapters ready. I did it while in the ambulance. Yes. drab says can I get a birthday shout out as my birthday is today. March the fourth? Yes. Yes. Well, you know what? He needs what he needs. He needs a biscuit for his birthday. That's what he needs. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday brother. March 4, the only day of the year that gives a command a march for exact Keep up the great work in Drib in J and K. Thank you drive. That's really appreciated, man. Let's see. And he gets the SATs too. He gets 5% split on on all of my shows on the SATs. I doubt I doubt he's receiving as much as he's putting in Oh, now this is an interesting one. So we got this is $100 Pay Pal through from cauldron entertainment. Oh cold cold

cauldron. This is now this is to you says it would see my booster grams advertising my intimacy and relationship coaching aggravated Adam with his comment that I am making the rounds. Where you aggravated aggravated that's when comics for Blogger does oh this. I'm not aggravated by that at all. No, not making the rounds means you're this is this is the second this is the sex therapy a couple. Yeah, no, no, this is okay man knows these guys. Let me just let me just say tremendous interest what

I'm it's it's Shocking. Shocking how much interest there is for this sector. What I like about it is you're one of the first people to grasp the full potential of value for value. You're sending us a cute message. We're laughing about it. People are hearing about the service you provide. And you're supporting the show. We love it. No, no, no, I'm not. No, I'm not at all annoyed. I'm sorry that you guys had impression. So here's a donation that hopefully shows my appreciation

for all involved in podcasting. 2.0 podcasting gave me purpose after a job loss and saved my life from suicide. As I explained on Dave Jackson's School of podcasting episode, podcasting gives a listener a reason to live. Wow, thanks To all involved for the hard work Wow, that is whatever what episode is that? It's called podcasting gives a listener a reason to live. Crikey. Well Nice. Yeah, I mean, I like hearing that another life saved or created Dave Jones.

It's also another money making tip where we can just be really ambiguous about our thoughts about things and people have to give us more money in order to explain the problem. I love how you do that you are thinking man thank you for that $100 cauldron entertainment $50 from Amy Harmon, and there's no note from Amy but thank you Amy. Thank you Amy. That's it. That's Pay Pal so we got some boosts Mr. Graham's yay. Hold on Yeah, ready to boost everybody booster Graham's

bee bee bee hanging? What are we Spencer 33,369 says through fountain and he says thank you for helping us make podcasting history shout out to rare encounter with April Kirby and cold acid who also implemented Live This Week go podcast. Yeah, I want to do live. Let's do it. Can we do it next week? Yeah. Next week. I'll be jacked and ready next Friday going live. Alright, we'll do it. We'll do it live. All right. Well, I'm excited now. Sir, Doug, give us 4400 sets and he says I'm boosting while

driving. Yeah, we pull over pullover. Hard hats in this row of ducks. 20 to 22 and he says now we know where the AMA cast comes from. I think that was a lot there's less Rubber Ducks always appreciated. Dan you do not harvest people's email addresses from their RSS feeds and spam them to come to fireside D. No, but my competitors do that. They definitely do that I've heard yet. I get reports of it all the time on Twitter and, and people forward me stuff all the time. You'd be absolutely

shocked and I I don't get that. I feel like that's something that you just shouldn't do. You just shouldn't do that. We call it slimy. Yeah, just like it's more than one more than one company that does that. It's mainly one company. But there are there is a second one but it's mainly the one. They not gonna know because we all know this has been a news story. This was I got it on. What's the thing called?

I can't remember which company it was. No, I got it on spooler I heard it on spooler had to go look it up what the hell was sparklers cooler. Harv has in this 12,222 sets. And he says running with scissors. Yeah, we love that is what we do here. Martin from hot friend gave us 10,000 SATs and he says history is being written first pot friend cross app comment just happened? Oh, yeah. When did this happen? This was right around the show. Last

week. Our show post was coming up on our shows. Yeah, yes. That's right. I'm excited. Another first. Yep, that's it. He's integrating mini pub. And I think Steven D is integrating mini pub as well. We've got I'm celebrating John's for lunch next week. So we're gonna talk all Spurlock this guy's another mysterious dude or like him. What's he been up to? What's he going to come on? Talk about cross cross on the comments. Yeah. Yeah. Know about cross app comments, Dan.

I mean, I only don't look for a level. No, no, no, no. Just say no. So it's all the spec is all using activity pub. Well, you guys talked about at the end of the year last Oh, right. This is one of the first things we talked about. And we were we were not ready as a group yet to tackle it. But we're, we're in the air now. I think.

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it will be in Phase Five of the namespace, the Roodman, the rudimentary tags will be in there and then there'll be a bit it's fairly the landscape for how to do this has gotten a lot more clear over the last probably three to four weeks. But but we're seeing it work, man. It's so cool. In one app, you post a comment, boom, it's in all the others. And you can choose your platform so I use the mastodon server, you can

reply there. I mean, the whole thing is mine. You know what I'm shocked at the interest in this thing. Yes. Interest is shocked and then shot mortals, mere mortals podcast, Karen down, gave us a road ducks 2222 He said, actually had a chat with a premature duck. Sorry. Premature duck. Oh my god. Actually had a chat with Brian on the latest mere mortals conversations As he mentioned about getting some flack from the Bitcoin maximalists sad to hear as he's

doing great work with POD paying He sure is. Yeah also talked about decentralization the genesis of hive and his crypto class action lawsuit here in Australia if anyone is interested quackquack Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, Brian, dude, don't pick fights. Fights there's more of them than there are views so just yeah, yes. We understand what you're saying, bro. We do. Brian of London 19 148 SAS because the devil he says the

Episode This episode is made for me. Thank you much. I'm also seeing increased failed transactions, especially to mine and Phoenix. I'm working hard to fix this. No breeze and the split. Well, yeah, I think we have reason the split and what do you mean breezing the split ROI, like ROI? What is what is he saying from last episode? Didn't we put ROI split and you know, he refused. He refused. Yeah. I said, Give me your

lightning node. He said No, put give it towards podcasting. 2.0. I said, Yeah, but I want you to see the joy of these Satoshis coming and he says, Dude, I see that all day on the breeze node. Okay, fair point. He said, he said I'm Israeli. I don't need joy. I live on the hour of the universe. Precisely. Okay, so up. Here we go. Is this? Yeah, there's yet here. It is anonymous, but it's not really anonymous because it came through breeze and it's Roy and he sent us 123,456 sets.

Oh, let me see. Let me go ahead. It's a breeze love for podcast index from Roy. Oh, man. Give me a little bit of love back. Thank you, Roy. You know, I shamed him into that. That was pretty cool. That works. Like hey, man. None of the Bitcoin has ever donated. All they do is bitches bread Brian of London. And he was like, okay, okay. Thank you, Roy. Thank you. So he bought a mic. We got to test it. Oh, cool. He's he's like, what can you recommend? I said, Well,

I would recommend the was it the SM seven? The the the USB version? What does that Dan? Is that the M seven? Yeah, the M seven. Yeah, the M service or he says that those are badass. And he's like, You got anything cheaper? So hey, man, you asked for the podcast on pod father recommendation. He's like I got a yeti blues. Okay, you're ready for you to define? What What mic Are you on right now? Danny sound good. I am on the Telefunken M which guys? Is this the mid shoe? I think? Yeah, it's um,

wait a minute. What? Telefunken what? Avallon tell you the wrong thing. Telefunken M 82. Yeah, that's that was right. It's, um, it's really great. Mike, I've been on this thing for years. And this came from a recommendation one of my listeners who went to went to some audio show and Telefunken was there and he contact he's like a super like super nerd audio engineer. He knows everything. And he, he's like 10 your your voice would sound

really good through this mic. And I said really? And he's like, better than better than the Shure SM seven way better than the Heil PR 40 You got to get this you got to get it and I'm like, You know what, I'll order it and if it's wrong, I'll just you know, send it back and it was great and I loved it and I've been using it ever since I think I'm going to try this one out. Is a great mic. You would sound amazing through this does it come with

a boom attachment? Or do you have to have a an extra bit package that I got came with the boom and the boom attachment and everything that you need and it actually came with two it comes with a shock mount and it also comes with just the little attachment and I think there's different packages you can get depending on what you want like it's up to you I've always liked Telefunken microphones I have not owned one myself have used them many times

the build on it is amazing like it's it looks good that's so you got to get the the broadcast package with the cable or with comes with cable, shock mount and boom arm. You don't want us to just kick drum mic. Yeah, that's yeah, just I mean, most of the mics that we use in podcasting are kick drum mics, right I mean, wouldn't you say the rd 20 and the PR 40? Weren't they kick drum mics? Yes. I think they were originally Yeah.

But you can get the M 782 microphone mount ma two t f one one attachment if you're if you don't like the shock mount I'm just looking at their website right now but it's do you need to shock mount is it real so I guess it's probably sensitive is sensitive enough? I tried it without it and it seemed to pick up I just like guy just like grabbing my mic, you know, like a big phallic symbol. Yeah, of course. I mean, of course. Yeah, of course. We know. That doesn't have that fantasy guess.

Hmm. This is interesting. I'm not buy this just just to have it in here. Look at it. Mike. So cool. And it's all black, black. all the time. Yeah. Okay. But I like the sound of it. I agree with Dave You sound really good is a real real good son. No, it's the mic man. Don't take credit. It sounds really nice Come on, Dan. You should have been working with me when you had the chance. Oh my god, you can bring this up every day. Of course I do. I live I didn't.

I didn't see the vision and now I regret I told you it's the one thing I regret in my life. I'm not even kidding. Let's continue with our booster grams day John's BRT gave us 49,000 SATs was so nice whopping Adams and splicing pew pew. Nice. Excellent. Cast, peatland gave us 3300 sets and he says I'm trying to get the podcast index channel in balance for weeks now I did the rebalance swap loop all of them fail. We'll try to we'll try with ZERO FEES one of these days thanks for the show.

Yeah, on that, you know, I am experimenting with with fees for our liquidity provision. And so far, it seems like they're having a zero base fee. So so for the micro payments seems to be really good. And it has most definitely, with a with a significantly higher per amount fee has stopped a lot of the routing that was clear was just blowing out our channels. So but it does mean that if you have so for instance, Todd, with your node, you know, we're an expensive place to be if you

want to get all your payments through us. So the whole idea is, you know, open up more channels, work with other people expand and we need that the network needs it. Everybody needs it, and we need it so that we can make good use of our liquidity. Yeah, and if all else fails in your rebalancing, just just drop the channel and open a new one. I mean, like those Yes, that's another way to do it. It's expensive, but it's definitely wait for the phase to be

down. Yeah, wait for the min put mempool to be a little bit empty and try new. Primitive one, gave us 6669 SATs through fountain and he says I came across submarine swaps recently without foreknowledge which put me off a bit, but I feel a lot better about the whole thing and learned a bunch about breeze making me feel better for having recommended it to some people. I had a submarine swap experience myself actually. Did you with the breeze app, which was kind of fun. That was not

fun. But how it ultimately worked. I was sending I was sending money to my sister in Italy to the breeze app on chain 1100 bucks or something. We're renting an Airbnb for my dad's Intermot and so I sent her I sent it to her actually to her husband because he said like you know, I'll just pay for it and then this end as our sound Oh, he wants to have some bitcoins to send it to him. And I'd sent a test to the to the bitcoin address you know, like 10 bucks just to make sure it got there.

Okay, everything's fine. And then I sent the remaining money to the same bitcoin address, which typically you can do even though and I didn't listen to my sister because she said are you supposed to do that use the same one twice and like I shut up you're not a Bitcoin er, I know what I'm doing. But it's but

what the way breeze does it is it's a submarine swap. So it comes into the breeze wallet in enlightening and you can I think probably just stopped double spend or some other accounting issue you can't reuse that invoice and so I sent this and what had the way they do it is then after 244 blocks they'll refund the money you can choose where you want to refund it to which is on one hand cool though you can't use the app for that

for that amount of time. But while all this took place we had the war kick up and then the the mempool just went to like you know oh crap when he sets for V bite and this this thing was just hung in there and I'm talking to Royce do this is such a shit experience. I can't believe my sister my brother in law did like Adams nuts with this Bitcoin but it's the worst possible demo right but it worked out and then they got on lightning and they

transferred it back and forth. They were really delighted with that but most importantly they were delighted because have gone up 10% Since I sent it to them like we didn't mind waiting on you you fool. And today right away I made sure that that got stricken right off. There you go boom, you're done. No, no profit for you today. Dave Jackson says 2400 sets and he says emptying my wallet for February before filling it up for March go bug Gaston yo yo

How you doing? Oh, another row. What did you must have really shamed Roy because he sent us another 123,000 Holy crap. He says for my boy. He says from Roy with love, also the name of a famous movie Sure, Roy. Yeah. Thanks, Roy. Really appreciate it. 22 To 22 Big humongous row of dogs and he says, this is David Leary says to have to do it have a one of two to see I wanted to give him a little

Oh, I see he's he says what is remove? Remove podcast ID 2062903 And keep podcast ID 9304 90 Okay, this is tech support, tech support. We love tech support this paid for. That's right. We'll take care of that right away, sir. No problem. We love you as a customer. Putting it to the side. I will take care of that after the drip, drip Scott. He's back. What 345,678 says Holy crap boost boost boost. Nice, man. Thanks for cast Matic. Oh my goodness.

He says great show last week, I learned a lot but it was still a bit over my head. And that's okay, as I'm still new to this crypto stuff. I'm still struggling to understand how to get more liquidity into my node. Can you break it down some some more for us slow people. I love the show drip. Now. If you're trying to figure out how to get more liquidity into your note, this is not how you do a drip. This is sending liquidity out of your nose. Yeah, yes, exactly. This is the wrong strategy.

You're going the wrong way. I can look into that and help you out drive let me I'll look into your let me check your node. This is a Dan you see you're seeing how this how this is done. I mean this this is a masterclass for me. When you learn you this would be perfect for a Dan Benjamin show. Yeah, the corner 1000 SATs from anonymous and it just says I love breeze go well we love you. Boost don't we? Oh yeah. Are no sin 33 33/3 times lucky happy three three boost.

Yo are no has been sending some pull requests for helipads. Oh cool. Yeah. Yeah. He's been he's been doing a lot of work on that nice Fun Fact Friday with Lila and Davidson. This 8050 as as it says just ordered parts for our Umbral if you want to learn about artificial intelligence, you're invited to listen to AI cooking.

Wait a minute, wait a minute. What is going on here? What is happening here so we have we have Fun Fact Friday, donating now I know that they're putting together parts for their Umbral cut so i'll post about that. And then they're promoting comic strip bloggers AI cooking this is very interesting. Um, I don't understand I'm confused like in my brain. I'm confused but I like it. I like it. See cash payments and is 33 cents he says okay, ZERO FEES

did the trick. I like to follow up a little boost the droopy boost we lose 1000 SATs from an anonymous user and you just as boost recovered Podcast. I'm very nice. I don't know what that means. But we'll take that. Yeah, what's Spencer send us another one. Oh, this this is just a source like a double. This is a 33 369 or 50. That's like a double from his earlier was beautiful. Thank you. Thank you very much. David Mitas and a 3400 cent birthday boost for Dred Scott.

We should probably hit him with another biscuit for his birthday. They always give me a biscuit on my birthday. Okay, here's 1111 11,101 11,111 says and this is the one of two so this is the first half of the other one says Please remove the fraudulent anchor copy of my podcast. There you go. Wow. It's tech support in two parts. Yeah. Very good. Monthly command line boost from Mike Nolan. Or no Newman, Mike

Newman. always mispronounce it. Oh, he sent a humongous rush boost 21 112 Three the command line says monthly command line boost Adam great interview on Glenn Beck podcast totally on message go podcasting. No thank you we don't have marketing meetings we just had people boost and say you did a good job man is fine or like dude, you should have hit that more you know people it's this is our this is our messaging system now. We get to lift we get to she's does drink 5551 things out and

then he says reply to the last episode. Dave is the number one booster in SATs not an amount of times boosted okay. Oh well who's number one and amount of times boosted? Oh no. I feel like I feel like I'm a I'm a heel Yeah, I'm not keeping up my booster quota. My boat and my boat. I mean, Dan, maybe Dan's a secret booster. It's me, isn't he? Yeah, Dan's actually drips got all of our chat. No. Oh, the delimiter blogger there he is ladies and gentlemen. What did he What did he do for us?

20,033 sets nice thank you. He says howdy Dave and Adam through pod friend this one time different message announcement from the country of Poland to look for Ukrainian refugees. You will be admitted unconditionally to Poland including pets. Just go to Polish border crossings. Unlike Hungary and Romania, Poland uses very similar language to to Ukrainian. Poland will provide you with accommodation, food, medical assistance, etc. And you can

also work legally if you want. For more info on in Ukrainian and English, the website uae.gov.pl. If you know Ukrainians anywhere, pass it on. Wow. All right. Very nice. Very nice comics for bloggers. Thank you. Thanks for Thanks for supporting the show. Everybody, please remember this thing doesn't run itself. She gets a monthly. Oh, we got the monthly. Sure. Yeah, we get Jeff Miller at $20. Michael Kimmer 533. Leslie Martin $2 Dred Scott again at $15 a month, Aaron Renaud at $5

Pedro gone calvus at $5. Chad Farrow at 20 to $20.22. LORETTA Vandenberg at $10. Scottish Albert at $12. Mark Graham at $1. Boris because y'all ski at $1. Just maraca at $5. And David metus. At $10. Thank you all very much these monthly really do make a difference. We appreciate that. And I was actually looking should i Did you check the tally coin by any chance? So what about it? Well, I was wondering if anyone had if anyone had sent us any donations through?

Oh, I don't know. The only one that has access to it. Yeah, no. Let me see. No, because it's public. Public. Yeah, it looks like we have third. Let me see. We do have something. Yeah, something came in. We have two payments, no message. And let's see. One is 12,840 Satoshis. And the other one is no name anonymous, testing out the new widget. 24,896. Thank you very much. Both of you. Yeah, that works, man. It works. It works. Cool. No, it works. Love it. Thank you all for supporting the

project. Thank you for supporting the podcast. We really appreciate it. And thank you damn Benjamin for everything you've done in podcasting from early days that you continue to do. I mean, I understand this little side gig. You know, pick up some shares, you'll be rich. Just remember us remember to boost us. I mean, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you, Adam. Ah damn, we got to hang out man. Are you still in Austin? Right? You're still an awesome. Yeah, we can we gotta have a burger or

something together. I'd like to love that. Anytime you tell me when I'll be there. So anything else we can do for you, sir? enough data and so much. I'm sending you pod pinkies. Okay, thank you. Please do yeah, get that that would be great. I mean, I just do that I will. I'm publicly committing to doing it. It will be great. It's so easy. And to have that working and to have your schoolers stuff change and work the way you expect it in the new podcast apps. That

would be that would be pretty cool. I think it's interesting. If you do. So here, if you put in pod things where you're sending a GET request to the pod pink cloud system every time they feed changes if you if you do that, then what I what I can do is I can set it up to where we will push back out a website, a web sub subscription, like a web sub ping all yes. If you want to do it that way. And then you can kind of get double bang for your buck. We'll just do it. Do it.

Let's do it. Let's make it happen. All right, cool. I'll send you those cases happening. David. Everything cool with you, man. Yeah, doing good. Yeah, doing fine. We got he's gonna have a debt. Try to have a dev meeting tomorrow at 12 Central, I think is over. Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah. So I should be able to dial in for that. We're gonna get to try to discuss the recommendations tag a little bit because we need that things complicated and we need some we need to talk that out.

Excellent. Excellent. And if you want to intern for Dave Jones, if you want to give us one, two, all right, send everything to Adam at podcast index.org and I will sort through everything and make sure that you are the right candidate for zero pay and maximum exposure. Alright guys, thanks so much. Thanks again. We'll see you next week everybody right here podcasting 2.0 You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.com For more information go podcast boost