Episode 72: Hitting the Apex

podcasting 2.0 February 4 2020 to Episode 72 We're hitting the apex except on that intro, I didn't quite everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 It is the official meeting of the Board of podcasting 2.0 where we discuss podcast index.org the podcast namespace and of course, all the genius you that takes place in his creative podcasting, lifestyle social, am Adam curry here in the heartland of Texas Hill Country and then Alabama. When he's not moving cables,

he's moving minds. Say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Apex is a squishy term. You can loosely define an apex, I blew the the apex of what do you understand of hitting the apex? Hitting the apex would be like when you're in a race car going around the turn? Yes, perfect. It's the perfect line. Chris That's it. That's it. That's it. When I did the

show was it was the Indy 500 celebrity race. When you're in Indy 500 card well, actually back when I was at MTV, because you could be everything back in the day. They had that they had some promotion with Chevy and remember the Chevy geo was that car still around the Chevy Geo? Oh, yeah. Yeah little compact car. And and so the idea was to have celebrities music celebrities race on the actual circuit was in Denver that year on the street circuit before Indy did

their official race. So we we trained for like three days in Arizona with Bob bond Durand, and you know, did all the but it was weird. You know, like guys from white lion guys from poison lion. Oh, what was that saw with the children cry? Well, yes, I think that's it. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah. Johnny Gill. You know, there's a blast from the past. Yeah. Yeah, very good. Dave. Got us. Yes. Got your band chops coming through right now? Oh, yeah. Bad belting it out. Yes. Anyway, so

also in the race was Donny Osmond. And yeah, wait for it. So hurry, hurry. That was it. No. It was well timed. I admit. Our lion iKOU. One that year for the second year in a row. As a Dutchman, I know him and so I was, you know, I was more in the pits and I could do a lot more stuff than then you typically think but also, I went out with Ari at night to walk the track. He said, Okay, watch us when you want to hit the apex. And as we're walking, you know, who we

see on the track that at night like dusk, Donnie awesome. Oh, he's walking the track. And he won. He won by a mile. Donnie Ozma. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He was a great driver. He was so serious to. Some people just have. So my, my wife is an artist. And she she would it would be the term be not shutters she she bristles? Yes. Okay, she bristles at the phrase. Oh, you're so talented.

She hates that. Because it makes art seem like it is just something that you're born with and that you didn't have to like work. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. And so. But that being said, there are some things in life that are like born into a person and I think race, some pet somebody at the top of the race car game at the racing game. There's you, you can go you can get skill level up to this

certain point. And then there has to be this, this thing that jumps you over that line this and it's like, a complete recklessness, that you don't care about your own the safety of your own body. There's something Yes. Yeah, well, Donny Osmond man, he he was he was relentless. I was very nice guy to really nice guy. That's I mean, like, AC he's not dead. Though he better not be. Let's double check. He's one of those guys. I don't I can't remember their age. Like

I never know how old they are. Let me see. I'm pretty sure he's still he's still with us. I hope so. Let's Oh, he's born in 57 For now, okay. All right. Do you remember any hit by the Osmond brothers? It's it's gonna be you're not old enough. I don't think you're old. No No, no, no, it's it was I was probably like in the single digits. When? Right Well, no, I was I wasn't much further behind or ahead I should say let me see this was at the time. Yeah, I'm

of course. Are you kidding me? I'm gonna give you I'm gonna hit you right now brother. Here we go. This is a hit from Adams youth This is not sounding familiar bah bah bah Dum Dum Dum Dum Dum. Yeah, baby. Here's the Osmond brothers got crazy. Oh says No. None bring it back. No, no, no, I'm not. I don't know. I got nothing on that. All right. It's a step above Bucks Fizz, really? But I was listening to the extreme or more than words on the way home. Yeah, but but but.

But the second album that extreme to lay. That was the that was the better? Because that was the day of a hit off of that. Oh, yeah. They stopped the world. Oh, yeah. Yep. All right, everybody. So much for your Oh, two old dudes talk about music from the 70s and 80s. That's a podcast concept we've been working on for quite a while. I have all albums. What it makes me sad

though. Because when I see these guys that you have, I remember them as youthful and like, you know the stuff and then you see him now that you're on a reunion tour something I'm like, oh, oh, no. That means I look like that. Yeah, this some people might have had that realization with this recent Spotify frock us with Neil Young and people going like Neil Young Joni Mitchell. Mm hmm. Do we want to talk about that? Do we want to delve into it?

Because No, the only is for just a little bit. I have some things to say. But go ahead. Well, I have some clips. Let's do clips. Yes. They have nothing to do with with Ambani I don't know what you guess I'm just interested in in Spotify, his position what they're doing in general. And I'm more interested in the in the sociology of it. Because not, you know, I'm tired of the whole freedom of speech thing.

I feel like we solve that issue. I'm not I'm just kind of not interested in that thing really anymore. But, so I tried to be all week whenever I would hear somebody say, let's talk about Dino. Because I was listening to you were on Tom Woods yesterday, I was listening or day before and I was listening to your interview. And Tom said, I want to get your opinion on Joe Rogan I click turned it off. I'm like, I don't I don't want anybody else's opinion on what I tried

to stay away from that. I'll wait and so I can formulate my own thoughts. Oh, good. And then I can still give you my opinion that they'll say when I gave on Tom woods and it'll be fresh. It'll be fresh and fresh opinion. Juicy. Okay, first out of the basket, give me give me someone sent me something from your oven Devi. I think really and truly, I think that this really all boils down to. Okay, so I think my angle on this is that I think Rogen and Whoopi Goldberg

are sort of the same. They're playing the same script. I feel like they're going, I feel like okay, how would I say this Whoopi Goldberg currently with what happened to her this past week. And those are my clip my clips are Whoopi. Okay. I feel like she's at Rogen, stage one. So there is if Rogan went through like this, he's like phase one is just uncharitable coverage by the media. So they were you know, saying, like he he didn't want to take the vaccine that was a sport,

you know, personal thing. He said, If you want to do that, he felt like if you're young and healthy, you didn't need to take the vaccine. So then they triggered that just triggered the hell out of everybody. And so they started coming, you know, all these unfavorable things, you know, hey, you know, how, how dare he, you know, blah, blah, blah. And he's not even healthy. You know, people were showing pictures of him that made him look like a fad. And then, then he got COVID.

And, and used me and all that stuff, one of which was ivermectin. Then, in the in the mainstream, specifically, CNN started sort of lying and saying that he was taking veterinary medicine and

all this kind of jazz. I feel like that his demo falls to the point where then he himself was going through, he sort of went into the second phase or the media went into the second stage with him, which was ostracizing and isolate, like isolating him trying to trying to build a wall around him as if he's so easy out on an island by

himself. It pissed him off so much. He started having Sanjay Gupta on and and all they and then this that led to then, you know, CNN went after him again saying that Gupta said he was scared for his life and all this kind of stuff on the show. And he's afraid he's going to come over the desk and hit him and all this kind of jazz. Well then, so he goes after that whole ivermectin deal. Rogan just went into full blown. I'm gonna have as many

opposing views on the show as I can. I'm gonna go Robert Malone, Macola. Around Barrett's and Nick copia core, he just went through this, like this laundry list of anti sort of anti establishment scientific thinkers. Which makalah is not and by the way, he's he's way he's not Yeah, are opposing views, I guess about MC,

se. I feel like this progress, I tried to just lay out and think through the progression of how we got from the beginning, which was a guy like Rogan is a he's a liberal guy, he endorsed Bernie Sanders for President a socialist. And how did we he had the media go from that to just to complete discard needs to be cancelled? Whenever you're ready. I think so. My thought was that did it's a it's a, it's a marriage between? Well, they

take him through these stages. And then he responds, because they're not allowing him to just have a difference of opinion. They are being uncharitable in their, in their response to what he says. And I'm hoping to show a similar thing going on with Whoopi, but I think that as you isolate someone more and more, they begin to respond in kind. And the only way they know how to which is trying to defend themselves. I feel like you're sure I think that's correct. Like they they have in the media

is very good at this, they lead people into almost a trap. But they lead people into saying things and doing things that they can then capitalize on. So the only thing you're absolutely right, the thing you've missed is why yes. Maybe I'll give you the why now and then you can show us how this is going to work with Whoopi Goldberg. Okay. The it took me a while to figure it out. But all I had to do was go

back into the timeline and look at the history. When Rogan Rogan was always a problem when he when he started to make $100 million. Then from time to time the mainstream news cable news, but mainstream would make a joke about oh, this podcaster Oh, he's a misogynist. Oh, he's a racist, you know that that's it wasn't much more than that the extent was kind of, then he had Abigail Schreier, on who wrote a book, which countered the narrative of transgender children, which had been passed

up by many podcasters, including Adam Carolla. Then he became a

transphobes. Then the woke crowd was activated, particularly at Spotify, because they have a trans community there and so that they had problems that's still all within the purview, what the company is going to do with Rogan, etc. But his problem started, as you correctly identify, when he started convincing people just because of his audience size, he's going to convince more than the mainstream and certainly the mainstream cable news to not buy the products that the mainstream

pharmaceutical companies are selling. And they are the biggest advertiser on television, certainly one of the big ones for cable news, and they activated their stooges and that's when all of that that's because CNN was so obvious when they started saying Rogan's eating horse dewormers he was lying. And Sanjay Gupta. That's why Rogen had him come in what what are you doing and Rogue? Sanjay Gupta from CNN, the doctor could not answer that question why they were lying.

But it unless Joe stops talking about pharmaceutical products that compete with Big Pharma or not using them kissed problems will continue. These companies do not give a shit. They will kill people over this. They're doing 100 billion dollars a year in revenue. They don't care what they have to do that What took place here? That? I don't I don't just I don't deny that at all. I don't deny that the pharmaceutical influence in the mainstream media had has a definite definite impact on this.

It's add to that add to that day. They cannot understand why Joe Rogan has 11 million people in his audience, whether that's a true number or not, doesn't matter. The perception is there that they can't believe they have. They have. CNN has an average of 700,000. at every given moment. No one has those numbers. This is this. They really want him to go away. He's a he's an embarrassment to the mainstream. He's an idiot. He even admits it. He's a moron. He can't he all he does is talk.

He's not he just wings it. This is this is the complaints the mainstream has. So that's a perfect storm. Yeah, well, that's see what bothers me, I guess is that that's that's the case now. But what what the what was it at the, you know, the beginning, I think that I forgot about the Abigail Schreier thing. And this, this, that was really the that was really the beginning. I do think you're right. Yeah, I

think that was the beginning. And that, that is the part where I feel that's what I meant when I said, Okay, what B is it, Rogen, stage one, I think it's instructive. If you find somebody who's in a parent, who's in sort of a parallel stage, that you can then look and see, oh, this is how it begins. Because what he is not at the point, at this later stage that Rogan, the cancel stage that Rogan is now she's still at the be at the beginning. Now she tried as hard as she could to

get herself cancelled with me, like the. So I'll say what play. And I'll miss set this up by saying that I think Whoopi, she, she, it's interesting to me that she got cancelled because of her appearance on CO bear, not for the thing that she said initially, like, that's what got her suspended was the Colbert

interview, not the original thing that she did. And she said, on the view, or whatever it was, and, and this would be called bear clip one that is sort of the beginning of the, of what actually got her cancelled. Because I've I feel being black. When we talk about race, it's a very different thing to me. So I said that I felt that the Holocaust wasn't about race.

And people got very, very, very angry and still are angry. I mean, I'm getting, you know, all of these, the mail from folks and the very real anger, because people feel very differently. But I thought it was a salient discussion. Because as a black person, I think of race as being something that I can see. So I see you, and I know what race you are. And believe me, black people are going will be shut up. So it's really clear what she's saying, if you look at her

statement charitably. And this is kind of what I'm trying to get at with this whole thing. And what I've been thinking about this week is, This all begins with it with with taking somebody taking somebody's words, uncharitably as if they are something bad, negative. Gross, you're, you're you're putting them in, you're putting them in a box of negativity. And as soon as you do that, it

creates this schism. And so in this case, it's really obvious what the issue is with, with with with Whoopi and what she's saying. She, she cannot divorce her mind of the idea that race is synonymous with skin color. And she even says it multiple times. That really is the issues you have, but you got this. There's more at play here. Dave. There is a very, very, very long standing unspoken feud between a DOS let's just say black Americans, Americans, descendants of slavery and Jewish Americans,

particularly in show business. You will never hear Hotep Jesus, because I've talked to him about this ever criticize anyone who's Jewish because he knows that's the end of his career. We'll see that's that's in there. Again, I don't I don't know. But I do. And I'm saying this as as much about the people who canceled as it does About the canceled. Yeah. Well, what I was gonna say, though, is

I don't? I don't? I don't I think this transcends the reason why, like this is that this isn't the Y factor that I'm talking about this is the this is the mechanism, not, not the Y that causes the mechanism to be employed the mechanism, because you can, you can see, the play would be called bear to you'll see what I'm saying because she, she, she is genuinely confused about what is about the problem

here. You know, I don't want to fake apologize, you know, I was I very upset that people are misunderstood what I was saying. And so because of it, they're saying that I'm anti semitic, and that I'm denying the Holocaust and all these other things, which, you know, would never occurred to me to do. And I was talking to our friend the woke Jewish school teacher public school in Austin, the one who the dog bit because our dog only bites woke people. And I was talking to her about this.

And I said, you know, Allison has got to know, it's really only been maybe four or five years that I myself. And I've worked with many Jews understood that they do not consider themselves to be white. And Dvorak, even a few years ago, I was like, I was talking to her what she says, No, I'm not white. I'm a Jew. Yeah, this is also not a known things. I think she got totally screwed by this. I totally agree. Yeah, but it's yeah, it's really subtle.

It Yes, she got sideswiped. It's really ignorance of a lot of people. Certainly the outraged public. They really, you know, whenever you get to the Nazi thing, it's game over, people's eyes roll up in their head, and they can't think straight. I thought this was in, you can, you can just, you know, pop me upside the head for reading a YouTube comment. Ever. But I thought this was a really, this was a really good, I thought was very succinct.

This person said Whoopi Goldberg understands racism from an American perspective, particularly as an American black woman, that understanding and experience of racism is wrapped up with the experience of living in America, experiencing racism in America, and the history of racism in America. And because she is so centered on that particular understanding, she doesn't understand how racism manifests

in other places. How does experience but other people and how the histories and cultures of other countries have shaped racism in those places? I think that's right. It was simply Yes, it is. Absolutely. It is. Absolutely right. And, and since we're on it, I'm not going to play the clip. But I dove into this pretty deep. They they think the comparison of how Jews in Germany were treated, versus how unvaccinated are being treated in many

countries. They think that is an outrageous comparison. So again, it just shows the complete ignorance. I grew up in Amsterdam. So I was fortunate I got a real education in the Holocaust. My friend's grandparents had numbers in their arms. You know, so I heard some stories. And it's just ignorance. And the whole thing is that the whole thing is now just centered around woke left, right, Twitter's the same thing.

This is just remnants of, of stuff that keeps people busy and, and keeps podcasts filled, unfortunately. And that's really what I kind of wanted to get at was that by comparing these two things, these are two people that seemingly were targeted, meaning I don't know what the right word is to use. It's not the right word I want to use but seemingly, they triggered the hell out of people. And the mechanism is that they, they now feel ostracized, and confused. You can listen to that Instagram

video of Rogan. And I mean, there's sort of a genuine confusion there of like, I don't I just don't understand why. Yes, because he's freaking out on me. Because we live in a culture where we are taught that if you have a problem, there's a middle manager you can go to and complain and they'll take care of it for you. I don't like what he said me and Spotify, take care of it. I my neighbor's music is too loud. I'm calling the cops. This is this is the the world we live in. Now. Luckily.

We came at the right time. Dave Jones. I think you and I are geniuses. I don't disagree. Holy crap, a doli. This is unbelievable that we started this project in time for this tsunami of bullcrap. And I'm really proud of the work that everybody has done when I can go on Tom woods. And I was I think I was able to what did you

think of my, tell me what plot podcasting. 2.0 is, as a seven year old, thought it was JT I think you owned the the role of like explainer in that, that maybe you You seem to have honed your, your, your, your message that really that was the first time I thought it was real, like 16 Thank you, because I worked on this and and be and it was because this very intellectual

man much more intellectual than I am. Asked me to explain podcasting 2.0 As if he was a seven year old, which is typically a question I block someone if they say that. It's like, Get out of here. This is so this like play like I'm five thing? Yes, exactly. Explain like, I'm fine playing. So when I told him that, and I said but and so I said if I was going to tell a seven year old, which may be the the literacy level of many.

Here's what I would say podcasting. 2.0 Make sure you can never get a race never D platformed you're always

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podcast in real time with micropayments. Boom. That was I mean, you you hit every everything. You hit every highlight and you didn't get to, like you didn't get technical. You didn't say it doesn't bow by doing this or blah blah, blah, you just right. This is it. This is it. Right? Yeah. And then and so when I do that, I think Holy crap. Could everybody please stop what they're doing just for a second? And pat yourself on

the back? Yeah, look at what we have accomplished. And not you and I Dave but the whole podcasting 2.0 movement. Unfortunately, you have to code it all. But that's just a secondary thing. minor, minor, minor minor point of privilege. Yeah, but that I've noticed the other people, other people are now starting to code more, which is really great to see. Yep. And we're seeing I'm seeing the uptake.

Every day, there's another conversation about de Plata and Spotify really did take a lot of I don't they they did not go and take down individual episodes except to Rogan, I think they just took another 50 or so down. That were recently Yeah, today that we're in this oh, you know, they're cleaning house because there's always pirated feeds have no agenda on Spotify. And we've we've threatened legal action, you know, Dick's when they first launched, we were on there, and I and I went

through the whole copyright claim bull crap. And I said, Look, I'm getting really tired of me having to tell you to stop stealing my shit. I'm gonna I'm gonna do something about this. And then they woke up, they took it away. Someone else put it up. I had many reports of people getting ads, so someone was maybe even making money on it. And certainly Spotify made baby yeah. And in two days ago, I got the Hey, man, your podcast is gone from Spotify. So they are indeed deleting stuff.

And they certainly have by their standards reason to delete no agenda. So I will let me jump in real quick and say I think anchor we've been talking about anchor for a while now. And my thesis has been that they don't care about anchor and put probably rather see it go away. And I I think that this is anchor as a liability for them. I don't see how they get anything of Tell me. One benefit they get from Anker. I think there were sold a bill

of goods. Maybe you know, we're just like clubhouse or whatever, or you know, there's pre clubhouse but I don't know it's crap. Do this piece of shit. Every everybody knows it. But But, but Spotify is actively taking down podcasts that they don't agree with. And that's and that's all you need to know. And I love sam se suggestion of calling Spotify and Apple legacy apps because they are they are legacy apps.

Yeah, I think the this this kind of is funny to be in that position where it was so important at the beginning to try to decentralize things so that they were be no, like, point of takedown or whatever. And now as I just consider that assault problem, really, that's exactly what That's Tom, the next thing Tom Woods said was, so what do I do? I say, Well, this is the good thing we've already taken care of number one for you get that free from us. You cannot be

taken down free. I said that it's free. It's already done, you cannot be taken down. You are always available through any of the apps that support podcast index, which of course is subjective because it is not even. Go ahead. Yeah. I was gonna say is that part is not even the API because the API. If I tried to just conceptually do that, I think you did this conceptually better than I did. I have been able to, I tried to split the difference between the index and

the API, because they're not the same. Because you can say, well, well, you didn't, you know, you didn't change anything. Now, the podcast index.org. That's that the API is just a single point of failure. Yeah, but the index is not correct you you can download the index. Yep. And just run it yourself. Or you can just put a little listener on pod ping. And just get the whole index eventually for free. Yeah, just just record what comes through. Yeah, this is what I love about pod pig. It's gene

It's a monster. Yeah. I like Chris Fisher's district description of it. Is a distributed message bus of podcasting. Yeah, which which Brian of London I wouldn't take it too far. You have not created a great messaging system because it's not a great messaging system is not it's it's very good at what it does. And the capabilities of pod ping are astronomical, but not as a messaging system. And Brian was mad at me dude. Y'all did all the all the hype. People were pissed at me. Yes. Oh, my God, I

made it. Alright, put my foot in my mouth. Kind of what show? No on Twitter? Oh, would you cast a cast? Oh, s castaways. custos castaways, I forget this Casa dos costos they announced that they're doing value value blocks in their in their interface in their feed. And so I go on Twitter Holy crap. Look at this value for value Baba, first one's ever and I immediately get this whole hive of hate. Hate to hate three speakers before this. Switch. I said

your rights and apologies. I really apologize. But you know, there's only one guy from hi from floats around. Our university seems to be doing everything he represents all of hide. Where's everybody else helping me remember what to say? Oh, by the way, where's all the shit coin developers eath. Another another another thing to tell to toss into? That is? Yeah, three speak? Sure. Sure. Yes, they were the first but they're not a podcast host go see. But I wasn't even going to get into

that. I thought it was in general. I felt dudes, if you want to utilize me fucked up way to go about it. Yeah, I mean, that was good. On my good side. Yeah. I mean, you know, and I said, Hey, you know, and you know, someone's like, who is a Bitcoin Maxy. So he doesn't give a shit about that. And so I'm like, okay, look, we can live side by side. And we can live side by side. And this. No problem whatsoever. This is about podcasting. I don't care how people use it or what they

use. I'm happy that they using it. I'm very proud of the work that Brian London and Alice gates have done and a cast of 1000s. But come on, chill out a little bit. If you want me to promote something, this is not the way to do it. I forked this debate and Satoshi stream repo repos, forked those over into the podcast index, GitHub organization. I've been meaning to do that for a while. So Toshi st here, Satoshi stream. Well, I mean, it's not I don't think it's not their

source code, but it's the TLV register. Oh, yes. The one that is the BIP blip. Yeah, yet. There's little blip, blip, blip blip 10 So that has been on my to do list I've been trying to go back and get some of these things done that I've been not able to do. So people can find all the jingles and all that because Oh good. Yeah, that's a good idea. That's a good idea now but you forked it so that means I have to change my link. No, no, no, I

mean, the old ones still still work. I just it's now just there's a copy that in our org that tracks the tracks that repo so everything you don't change anything. Okay, so is that how GitHub works? But when you fork does not then you're you've separated right doesn't get the updates from the original. Well, yeah, it does. It went to when I I just had to go in there updated periodically. I'll just pull fresh. Okay, okay. Okay, good. Oh, that's good. It's an alias. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, but I'm trying to catch up on some of this stuff like Benjamin Bellamy's booster grant MiCon pansy that No, I did not see a booster gram icon where it was this podcast. Fantastic. Yeah, it looks fantastic. It looks like a it looks like a comic. Like word balloon. But but with the lightning bolt as the integral part of it. It's hard to explain awesome I'm looking at is see this green icon? Let's see if the oh, there it is. And you search on the podcast index social search just search for

booster gram icon. It's like the first thing that pops up. And it looks really slick. I don't know how to get this into stuff though. But I don't give on it. No booster gram icon. Let me let me signal it's weird. I'll maybe if I load more. Hold on a second. I got a lot of booster gram stuff. Yeah. No, see. I made that September 21. Man. Booster gram. telling it to you. Oh, I've been requested to mention from the

progenitor of booster gram. That it is indeed booster gram. It is BOSTAG ra M No hyphens? That's right. Yes. No hyphens in booster and it's also not booster gram. No, it's not booster gram either. No. Well, this is interesting. Did you get it? Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. I'm going to put it in the show notes. It's pretty slick looking in it. This is from the font. This is from the booster gram font. Yes. From the podcast font and it's got a

podcast font. That's what I mean. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's like a lightning bolt. But in the shape of a word balloon, like a message like a booster. Yeah. That is I just thought that was really cool. Which one to mention. I like it a lot. The yellow throws me off, but that's just me. I have called one widget. I think he tweaked that color for fountain because it fits their color scheme. Okay, that's the I don't think it's you can color it any way you want. Because

it's a font. Like a CSS, right? Okay. I Bellamy man he's doing stuff. Have you tried out to cache the pod yet? Yeah, that's I built that. That sandbox feed for the this film's workshop. Right, right. We haven't tried but you haven't tried the import function yet? Which was the one reason we weren't using it. Blog? Why don't we try it live? Let's do it live. Wow, walking on the tightrope, Dave Jones. See? See, I guess. Because that was the main thing is we just

couldn't. I mean, it was nothing for me to configure. Anyway, now that I've understood a little bit more thanks, Alex gates, about the true nature of you know, obviously activity Pub is a big part of, you know, the whole system. And that's not gonna work simply on the Umbral, you will have to punch holes in the firewall and get some real IPS going, I guess, which, of course, is I understand from a security standpoint, not a great idea if you have your node on the same machine?

Well, I'm not. I'm not worried about it, either. But, you know, I understand the Umbral has had some security issues in general, that we just have to just you forget stuff, you know, like, oh, yeah, this is great. And then you know, that's wide open. Oops. Yeah. And that's it shut up. Put. That's a question. Should I put a password on the on Hello pad? And then just in case? Well, I'd rather I'd prefer to have it on tour before that was the question.

I'd love I love just to access it outside the house. Can you not? I don't think it runs over tour. I saw somebody had it configured on tour because I saw somebody posted some posted a screenshot of a pad and it had a tour address in it. Hmm, maybe that's just something they did. So yeah, I don't know if you can. I think you have to configure that somehow. Mm hmm. I don't know.

Yeah, minor details, my friend. Thank you for the Excel export on heli pad our booster gram monitoring system app, I say, Oh, my goodness. Ah, that's a lot of fun. I got a lot of data. I have four different shows. You know, I'd love that it has the, you know, the actual them could only get like a percentage for most of them just for monitoring purposes. But you can see the total amount you can do charts and graphs and pivot tables. It's really

fought Yeah, pivot table. Whoa, look at this shit. Oh man. It's really exciting. It's exciting, man. It's really exciting. We still have a lot of apps kind of sending data in a manky way. I mean, usernames, people. Um, I guess people just kind of figure that their name shows up if they're sending a message, which it doesn't for many. Oh, yeah. Like if they're coming from breeze especially breeze. Yeah, and fountain I think is usernames.

Yeah. Fountain still allows the sub sub par level booster grams to come through which is funny. What do you mean? Like, like a low amount? Yeah, like once at once a head? Yeah, cuz, you know, they've got a few of those today. The the studio door is usually is open as it's on the other side of the house, but I have the I have the Umbral sound cranked up till we hit like pew pew like oh, okay, let's go check. Six SATs. Tim, Tim from Ellen pay Tim K from Ellen pay. Yeah, but the

emojis work. Thanks, Tim. Thanks. I came all the way over here to see my winnings. But I was delighted to hear James on pod land. Talk about how you pitch value for value in your podcast, which is not pay tip me. But you know the concept of value. I was very happy to hear him do that. And I have not listened to that on yesterday's show. Have you seen Yes. Listen to the new one. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and listen to yet because if you if you say I want to tip you'll get 15% 20 be

20. To say value for value, you can get a very different result. Yeah, I think that that's a that's something that you also did on Tom Woods show, which I think was really important is you went through the whole value for value concept, because it's got, what I see a lot of people doing is they turn it on and say where's my money? Yeah, exactly. They turn to enable, they enable value for value in the value blog. And maybe they have even have an Umbral, or something

like that. And then they never actually tell their listeners they have it or to go to new podcast apps.com. That's yeah, that's all that's the minimum. Say, are you on a legacy app? Well, if they cancel me, I won't be here. Would you like to know when my show was updated right away instead of waiting three hours for Apple to get off its ass? Maybe even 30 minutes? Who cares? Speaking of speaking of putting up so I've been Oh, I was working out with the gas from

blueberry. How to do pod paying for power press? Because, you know, that's the issue there and cast cast us is going to have the same issue. Because Castillo's has WordPress simple. Yeah. The plugins like super simple podcasting, I think is a thing. So seriously simple, seriously simple podcasting plugin. And he was getting. So PowerPress is seriously simple. allow you to have their to host your own podcast on your own server, but then you just host it up up on casters or

blueberry. And so I was working out with the blueberry guys on how on how to allow that is what we came up with. was in I talked to Brian and Alex about this how to allow what Dave I'm sorry. How to allow a word random WordPress blog to hit pod ping to hit pod ping in a safe way. Yeah, yes. in a safe way for us. You mean for us? Yeah. So what I was thinking about is, you know, there's really this is really not an issue of it's not an issue.

Your only attack vector is a is a do is like some sort of denial of service. Yeah. You know, if somebody were to just get a key and hit you with, like, 25,000 pod pings in three seconds. I don't know. Well, I mean, the issue that having a key or not having a key doesn't really stop that. The the authorization token for pod ping is not really. I mean, that's weak security. I mean, it's the same with the AP with our API. I mean, anyone can DDoS the API, I

guess, under the same circumstances. Yeah. I mean, anybody can get a denial service attack is not going to be stopped by an authorization No, you just don't want shit data getting in? Yeah. So and all. So what we came up with was the DDoS, the DDoS thing can be is going to be solved at the IP level. That's not good. That's not a broken. That's a Cloudflare thing. Right? Yeah, exactly. So what we came up with was just this idea of a

half token. So essentially, the authorization token for pod ping is normally 44 characters long, random. So you get whatever 44 Today is the entropy. So then you have 44 characters there. And then we will for the pot, or for the power press installs, and other things that are like that with when they're going to be distributed. We just have like a 22 character ash that have like a prefix, the first half, but the token doesn't

change. And the second half is randomly generated. So then all the power press, and seriously simple installs would use that, that stable 22 character, hash a 20 character hash, and then add on their own unique random hash at the end of it for an additional 22. So that we know this up there, this is a power press install. And then because every one of them will also be unique. We'll know if any one in particular goes nuts. Right. Okay. That's a good idea.

I was also thinking obviously, you know, it would seem an easy way that you can't hit the pod ping until you at least have published on blueberry or on costos. You need to be published there first before you can get a key, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah, that would be that'd be part of the thing. So then the install the plug in itself would be would just generate it for you, you know, generate that key for you. And they, you know, Angelo, and Todd

over there. Blueberry like, yeah, that sounds like it works. I think they're working on that. Cool. Is it built yet? No. Yeah. Work? That that's a big deal, because it's a huge deal. You kidding me? That's another large chunk right there. That Oh, yeah, that's a bunch. The, those are 1000s of installs. They're now taken care of from that again, and can hit pod pain. Yeah. So anyway, that I love it felt good to solve that problem.

Now, that's a great problem. We've been waiting for this for a long time. And then that's just then and congratulations to cast those by the way. I think that's, that's great. What they did. Yes, the so they have you Did you see what they did? They just put the field in there. You can just Yeah, value valuable? Yep. Yeah. And an education. You know, that's what most hosting

companies are good at is educating. And if anyone ever wants some help from me, I'd be happy to do anything you need in your education process of your your customers, if I can help. Now. I noticed I think, I think it was Matt from CAST, as was what had talked on Twitter. And Marco jumped in about, they're talking about value for value. And he was saying that Marco was mentioning that there would be a privacy issue with with any sort of micro payments system. Privacy, we should know, I

think, no, I think his stance was differently. But okay. What he what he was saying was any podcast app is going to use a micro payment system to be always sending these payments to the podcaster would be getting an API somewhere. Yeah, I wouldn't know what would know what would know what you're sending. Let me read you what he said. Today. People People often asked me to integrate cryptocurrency podcast payment

systems into the app. Sorry, I currently have no plans, among other reasons, including the risks and controversies inherent to crypto. I simply prefer not to involve myself in how podcasters make their money. That's pretty clear. Yeah, I didn't see that part. But I thought so. I think that's that's that's other issues. And then this one, right? Yeah, that's really the definitive thing. Yeah, fine. Um, yeah. I think that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. No, no problems

with that at all. Everybody makes their own decisions. But this is what this is what I was referencing, he says, I haven't looked too deeply. But most systems require the app to make an API call somewhere when listing activity happens. So the network can send micro payments accordingly. As you can imagine, this raises privacy concerns. That's just simply not true. We had that. That's it. That's what I wanted to talk about is not, you know, hit his

decisions or his decision. And that's fine. And not, I'm not really going to be in the business of trying to convince anybody because I just don't want to do that. Other than that, I would say, it's not just podcasters making money. Everybody makes money, including podcast, app developers. That's all yeah, there's the there's that Yeah, that's absolutely. But that I did think it was worth the reason I brought it up was because

lightning, normally that would be right. Normally, if you're going through something like Stripe, or some sort of API line that what he said is exactly right. And even if you're going to ln pay, that's right. But the difference in the unique part of lightning is that you don't have is that that doesn't have to be true, because you can run a lightning node, and you can run your own instance of LM pay. And then you create the wallets and all the encrypted transactions

leave directly from your system, right? It's peer to peer and

everything is done with onion based encryption. So that there's a this may be something that people don't know also, when if I send somebody a payment through lightning, if my notes into your note a payment and it has to go through four other hops to get to you the intermediate hops the three nodes in between that it had to go through to get to you it cannot see anything about the payment they can't even tell where it's from or where it's ultimately going to they only

know where they got it from where they're passing it off to. Right They know Yeah, exactly. They know the one they got it from and the next one in the chain they do not and they don't even know if that's the final destination is the final

destination correct Yeah. So it that's that's the only reason I brought it up is because you know I respect his decisions and his his product but that specific thing with lightning it that happens to be different you don't there's not the privacy issue there that there normally would be with last drive or something like that, man I just love showing the roundabout now I was on awesome on the bit refill podcast this was fantastic the bit refill podcast, which is just a bunch of dudes

like 2028 2930 year olds one in Nigeria who was in a supermarket it was really weird it was really cool um yeah, I don't think I've ever heard of this podcast bit refill I think it's I think it's sponsored by bit refill you know the that's the thing that you can you can get loyalty cards for Yeah, and so you know, they knew about podcasting 2.0 But they really weren't set up yet with with with value for value so let me show you so I did just because

they were on Zoom I did a screen share I brought up heli pad and then I popped up another tab with I think a curio caster to now watch and I said I showed the the booster gram that I sent and then switch the tab and I forgot to turn up the the fader for the for the PC. Oh yeah. The damn it was an impromptu demo. You know, I'm refining it. And it was just so beautiful. You know, like 15 seconds later. Oop, there it is. And they're

like ah, is this the to the moon podcast? No, it was called the bit refill podcast a bit refill, just bit refill us with it's got to be on the index. Maybe it was just some dudes who were just catfishing me I don't know there was some it was really it was this kid on Twitter. He's Dutch he's 14 And he's like, I want I want to I want to you know buy some bitcoin but I have to be I have to be 18 I can't

buy bitcoin anywhere. And he's clearly young you know he's like I really want to get into this and he tagged me because I've known in Holland and I said well then get a wallet says no but wallets he didn't quite understand it look read this. I sent him to learn me a bitcoin.com and said read this and then get a wallet and they and then he sent me his bitcoin address he figured it out and I was I sent

him 50 bucks in Bitcoin. This kid like this is the next mogul you watch he's like, Okay, I'm gonna guard this with my life. And I said oh, by the way, when I sent it to you this morning, it's up 11% Since then, so enjoy. This is put a young man on the right path he gave him he gave him an annuity little little little orange pilling there so let me see. Curio caster I love the kind of the new layout the new setting is interesting.

He's kind of promoted he's you can promote your podcast now on curio caster I guess Oh, really? I think that's good. Yeah, I think you can he has promoted podcasts and let's see. I like that. I like the ad. I told a cache what it was at that workshop that for a couple weeks ago, I mentioned somebody asked in their head, how do I promote my podcast? You know, what's the best way to get my podcast at the record? I don't know. That kind of stuff.

I'm not a podcast. Marketing. Sorry. Yes, it is bit bit refills to the moon podcast. Yes. That's the one. Okay. I guess my engine is not up yet. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah. Well, they don't have a valuable look. No, I gave him shit about that. So what's wrong with you people? I mean, Nigeria. So what? I said, Hey, we know people. Yeah. Yeah, they need to jump on the bus. So anyway, I forgot was talking to Moses. We were talking about the demo.

We heavily heavily pad demo, Curia cafeteria. astir. Oh, the promotion sponsored pod monster pocket, or whatever. Yeah. But she said, Well, you know how to promote my podcast. And that was in what I said was, I think, anytime is this is right. Because I'm a dummy on these things is buying podcast advertising, buying an ad for your podcast, in an app in a podcast app, like pod LP, or overcast or any curio cast any of these apps, this support by sort of in app advertising

banner thing? You can buy that? Yep. Or buy ads on other podcasts. Like to me if you're going to spend some money to like promote your show. I try to build an audience, if you're determined to do it that way. Like you should go to where people are that are already listening to podcasts. Yes, it makes sense to me. Maybe, um, you know, that's no, this. This is what I've always been hoping for. And now we actually have a way to share

revenues like, hey, you know, Steven Be curio caster. If you put me on your promoted page, why don't I give you you know, 3% value block? Yeah, yes. Yes, this is the kind of stuff that anybody can do today. The only thing is, I would say, Steven B, where do I can't? This is another thing, developers. Two things actually, please consider putting a simple defined contact in your app. People actually do you know, they don't, they're not really

used to it anymore because of Silicon Valley. But if you make it easier, and more apparent to people do really like feeding back information and then hearing back from their favorite app developer, it really does work but we have a very poor culture of this right now. The culture is typically a piece of

crap app, let me delete it, get another one. But But podcasts, app users are very patient they are traditionally quite patient and they understand and this is independent and you know, I Yeah, they've been tainted a bit by the by the legacy apps but make it apparent. Also, I have to say, Piero Castor added $1 translator in the booster grammar section where it updates dynamically so you can see fee price very very good at this is something I've been wanting to have for a long

time. But stop being purists. It really gives you you know, I've even up my own booster grams like what is this 69 cents this is stupid. Let me give a little bit more his dump. Oh, when the when the price is fairly stable. I get used to what the amounts are but then when it swings a lot I yeah, I really does throw me off my game. It's somewhere between two and 3000 SATs $1 typically Yeah, it's like I mean, I've spent I have there have been months when I've spent

100 bucks on podcasts and no boosting and I don't know. I didn't even know I did. Yeah, I back at the end of the month. I'm like, Oh, wow, that boosted the crap out of people. I love having the I love having the Umbro because it's it's really my node for me, you know, and so stuff comes in there and I think I started with 150 bucks. On that note, excuse me. And I use it to refill my wallets and I can't spend it fast enough.

I'm telling you, it just comes in and goes out. And by the way on your Umbral definitely set up the blue wallet, something or other whatever it's called most I think called the Blue what like the mobile? Yeah, so what you can do, it's kind of like Elon, Elon bits only. Maybe it is actually Elon bits. That's probably what it is. A second Just get this app connected to mine. Yeah, but if you do I think it's the Ellen bit server. Login.

Oh, sorry. Yes, see, let's see connect wallet. You can build blue wallets an option yes blue wallet because then you can set up little mini wallets just like a shared node, right. So you can set up as many of these blue wallets on on one app you can give, you can have your friends, your family, everybody can set up the blue wallet, and just using your node. And so I set up a blue wallet and then I transferred money into that blue

wallet. Because it's kind of hard to send from your own node is like not really possible most of the time. So this is this is really a you'll love it because it works over Tor and it'll just and you I use that I now use my own my own little node for small payments with the blue wallet. That's cool. Yeah, I didn't need to do that. Yeah, man so much cool shit. This was at a true Uncle Jim no thing, then. Not really because

you can't you can't keys into it. Although from what I saw on a US on GitHub stuff activity, I guess ln bits is now key Sen compatible. So the the wallet you create with with LM bits, art or do work with key send? Oh, yeah, I read I'm not sure I haven't looked. I haven't. No, not enough time in the day. There's not there's really not. Hey, by the way, we're late today with the board meeting. Which happens which by the way,

board members that's why we have the extra food here. You notice we have Mexican we have some Texas Beef here from KNC cattle we got a couple other things for you. We're sorry to keep you over dinner. But that's a big one for me. Oh, my red wine. But we were we delayed the start because you were at work with the move. How'd that go? And you were

moving your company to another floor or something? Yeah, it was internal move is like the third floor moved down to the ground floor half half of his because it was a bunch of just a bunch of moving around bunch of phone system work. That is a waste the word. Yeah. I have to pull the cable. Did you? Yeah, yeah, we did all of our cabling and stuff. So you have people on Chad minions like little little people. Yeah, for you, right. It's me and one other guy. You and your minion

your man. Amazing. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I can knock encrypted I can crimp the hell out of a fire cat five cable now I'm I'm I'm very good at cabling, but it's just it just takes forever. dirty work is dirty. Work is dirty. Just get dirty. I got I got my guy here hooking up my generator. Do you want to talk funnily? Yeah, yeah, I got these guys that come in after hours. You know.

I pulled some strings, because it's hard. But you can't you can't even get a petroleum tank right now if you want to buy one. So I said well, this was this thing over here and we'll hook it up to my existing tank. Okay. This a propane generator? Yeah, yes. Or what? Propane 22 kilowatt? Generac Oh, that's a big one. That's a big size one. Yeah, phase or single phase three. I could run I could run the whole house with

it. But you know, we're doing we're doing it properly. So you've got selective selective switches, you can you know, determine what you want to have on things pretty things pretty badass. I mean, they've Okay, so pretty. So what's your runtime? What's your runtime? A 10 days 10 days on a full portfolio? propane tank? Yeah.

That's good. That's not bad. Right? I'm thinking the next Ice mageddon that Texas has, you're gonna have a huge you should be able to like isolate yourself down to like one or two rooms that you can keep warm. And then you could be able to run for what like two weeks if you needed to easily because we have a propane fireplace keeps most of the house warm. We don't even have to turn on the heating system if we don't want to. So it'd be purely for the tankless water heaters.

Excuse me the studio fridge freezer you know we have propane gas. Propane for the stove. Oh yeah, we have you know, we have a well water we have our own aerobic septic system. So it doesn't even have to be deep. Oops, you know, it sprays freshwater over the ground. It's, you know, we're ready. I got my got my ham radio, I got my rubber nice, my compass is ready to go. So I'm not worried about Snowmageddon. That's not going to happen, which had nothing to do with Snowmageddon.

It had everything to do with greed and an ERCOT where people are trading energy every five minutes on the auction and they just got greedy and forgot to turn some shit on and then they had no natural gas to turn it on with. That's not going to happen again. But it Will is the grid under attack? Certainly the Texas grid which has its own grid to bring in new grids, a new national grid under climate change a high voltage DC grid? Yeah, for sure. Will they

mess with it, but they bring it down to prove a point. I'm not putting it past anybody. How many times do we have to Russia is going to cyber attack it or domestic extremists are going to attack the grid? Come on. But yeah, I totally believe the American government or pieces of it are completely capable of proving a point by bringing down pieces of the grid just to get us to believe in something else. But did you hear that we're so off topic now. But did you hear the Matt Lee? My man McAfee is

the best. But how long have I been following you? I've been following him for a decade. And he used to have all these issues. He Oh, yeah. He's like, dude, crisis actors false flag. I mean, this is some Alex Jones level shit. Yeah. This is the stuff. And this is this is where Joe Rogan to bring it full circle is right. Because things that were fake news, misinformation, disinformation, scientifically dangerous three months ago are now fact true and proven.

And people that the people that are trying to the people that are most vocal about getting Rogen canceled right now are the ones that spent literally almost five years telling us that Russia that Russia is involved in the Trump campaign and it was completely false. I mean, like 100% complete crap. Has any credibility the same people telling you Russia's going to invade Ukraine? Yeah, and what we know we already know it's

going to be a false flag. Okay, if if I don't even think that and I think Matt Matt got cut short because what he started saying I think it just kind of dropped it was what he started saying he said I remember you have weapons of mass destruction. Yeah, weapons of mass. Let's rock. aluminum tubes. Yeah, of course. aluminum tubes yella K

babies thrown out of incubators. That was my favorite that was my favorite Yeah, I still have that clip of the girl crying who turned out to be she was the daughter of killer Knowlton PR executive who had been given a script throw the babies out of the incubators on the ground. And they never get they never get held to task about they just

they just like okay move on. So of all the things that we've accomplished in our lives we one day will be sitting on the porch with our shotguns in our rocking chairs and our hound dogs and we can we say man we sure enabled some crazy shit to be said didn't we that's what we did Davey. I remit that reminds me so I was fishing one time with my with my dad so we're we're fishing and the the the fishing is terrible. So we hadn't caught anything and

he's like it but we had we had in the truck. And so how's that I guess I was a teenager he's like at most useful squirrels. So what else is there to do an Alabama hey you hungry let's go shoot some squirrels yeah I'm like yeah sure. So we went get shotguns we're going around on the boat well you shot the squirrels with the shotguns with with like buckshot. It was F is it be blow those who remember blow them apart with that was there was anything left? We didn't shoot anything.

But we what it wasn't buckshot. I can't remember slug. Yeah, no no. Explode Tannerite tracer rounds. Shoot some scrub some trace. Uranium depleted uranium tip tracer rounds, not your tracers. Yeah. It's I'm sitting there and where he's like, you know, we're looking for nest and that kind of thing. And I'm just fiddling with the with I thought the safety was on so I'm just fiddling with the trigger. And just, oh, I don't know what I was doing cleaning the gun and it went off. No, no, no, not

that. Not that. I'm not that stupid. But I have it sitting with the stock. Stock of the shotgun is sitting right. In right in the meat of my hip. Like, really? Almost exactly. On my crotch. Oh, just right there in the meat. And it's Roy earlier. Yes. Thank you for that word. The mic was sitting on my growing and the barrel is facing straight up into the air and I'm hold. I'm just holding my router. And I'm mindlessly fiddling with this thing.

I don't know how the safety got off. But anyway, all of a sudden boom. discharge. And this thing just goes right into my job. It's amazing. You have children Dave shows. You that is the scariest thing that ever happened. That's hilarious. I don't know how I got on that. Oh, yeah. I don't know how you got there, but I do appreciate the visual. Thank you. Yes. Do not ever wreck yourself with a shotgun with a shot. Well, you know, Chris, do you know Sir Chris?

You know, Chris, we talked about Chris Chris. Jacob. Oh, no, he's my he's my buddy. No, no, no, he's not. But he's been in a lot of companies with me. And then. Oh, yeah, he was he was your sales guy. Right? Yeah. More than that. It was like, Chris, we need a million dollars to make our numbers. Okay. That was Chris, you'd go out, you know, Chris would work for three years and burn himself out and go do something else.

crude, fantastic answer. Thanks. He's, well, he's no, he's also been on the ground with us at the ground level starting building stuff. He's just he's he understands sales very well. But other things too. And he is after our last venture together. eventually wound up owning some gun stores. And there's this famous video on YouTube. It's a it's their office. You know, it's like a dash cam, internal Office video, they published it.

And so I think at the time Chris had, like his girlfriend was some crazy ex Marines. I don't want to disparage marine so that's probably wrong. But anyway, she had she was really into guns and she had swapped out his trigger for some other thing that was much lighter or, you know, sensitive. Anyway, triggers. Yeah, so he, he didn't everyone has their guns in this gun shop in the office and he and you see him getting up, he's gonna walk out. He puts his gun in his

waistband. And then as he's walking here, and shot right through his groin, out his butt. I'm allowed to laugh because he's my friend. Oh, my God. Yeah. And it's it's really, you know, it's you got it. It's on YouTube. It's phenomenal. You just look, he's like, Dude, that's the worst. That's the worst. He's okay. But it was not fun. He was bleeding quite a bit, apparently. Yeah, yeah. Shot through some arteries or something. Oh, crap, man. That

yeah, that's a bad day. Yeah. So that's like, there's a couple lessons here. Like don't let anyone else touch your gun. Yes, yes. That would be the top one. Anyway. Um, do you want talk about podcasting? Yeah, I know, for sure. There's but but yes, I do, of course. But what we're talking about here is why we're here. This is the whole It felt so good to tell multiple people this week, including Tom woods to say, we fix it. We fix these

problems. So we can move on from here, let them all that. Even Joe and hoopy. And everybody go argue over there. We really don't get a shit. We don't care. It doesn't matter to us. And we're not alone. We're not now a little island. This thing is big. What we're doing is big. It's it's, it's it's rolling. It's it's common. I mean, people are seeing it, they're talking about it. They're suggesting podcasting 2.0 to people. It's happening.

Because of all this, it's it's it's perfect. Unlike you, I feel like we we don't really have to talk about that part of things anymore. No, we don't, we don't. And it's nice to not have to be to not have to, like, just go on and on endlessly about deep platforming and all that kind stuff. Because to me the most, the most important is what I was trying to say at the beginning,

and it probably just didn't just muddy it up. But to me, the most important thing, really, is that when there's an option to cancel somebody, it makes you stop actually listening to us trying to understand what they're saying. Yes, yeah. Because, you know, and what I meant by being charitable to somebody is that she, actually we know what, we can't play another clip because I think number three, um, see, try. Yeah, try number three. Yeah, do that. And that they could apply

it to all different kinds of people. That idea of race and the American experience tends to be based on skin. Yes. And so that is what race means to me. When you talk about being a racist. I was saying, you can't call this racism. This was evil. This wasn't this wasn't based on the skin. You couldn't tell who was Jewish. They had to delve deep. To figure it out.

Now, clearly she's wrong about that. But, but, and that's kind of the point is the point, the point here is that she has a life experience that tells her what racism is. And if you, if you when you say, Okay, well, you were wrong, and therefore you need to be de platformed or canceled about a no the Holocaust and racism that you've you're no longer listening to what she says, what the what the things, what she came to realize you can play I

think you played for is what she came to realize is that she was wrong. That that there was a racial component, but she still has such a life experience that tells her that race is skin color, that you're to say that she was wrong. Like, in a way that is harmful and cancelable is not

understanding who she is as a person either. You can the the conversation could have been, instead of your evil, you need to be de platformed the conversation could have been something more akin to, I can see how you're hurt about your life experience, influences the way that you think and talk. And, I mean, yeah, but Dave, sorry. Two things. There's a whole history of we'll be bold Goldberg being anything but

charitable to other people publicly agreed. Agree. Okay. So this is where the canceled culture this is where the the social networking and everything comes in and people are ready to

do it. Also after 74 episodes of Mo facts 75 Actually with Mo facts she's kind of disingenuous because there's something known as colorism and she knows damn well that in the black community, there's racism between skin colors themselves, so to say, you know, black, white nanananana there's everything in between the historically black colleges and universities in the United States had the brown paper bag test when they initially opened and you could not have skin

color darker than a brown paper bag to enter that university. So she's disingenuous about her history she's making it very, very simple to get out of this is my opinion. Was that Ned see there? There is. I am take I don't I do not dispute her past where she's been an uncharitable towards other people in that there again that's my point. But that's my point is that yes, yes, that's

the problem. I totally agree with you. That is the problem she she has not been shared with this this goes back to the curry I don't know if called the curry rule or the boomerang law the Uber Uber then the media boomerang. If you use the boomerang if you use the media to promote yourself or something selfish even just a thought Believe it or not, that thing comes around it may not be immediate could be years from now and it will hit you with equal and opposite force in your head.

Right in the head. Yeah. Right born clock. So she got it and you know, and for my money. She was forced to do this. I don't think she wants to do Kobe I think she just wanted she did. This is bullshit. She was forced to do it by her overlords. The view is a highly scripted program highly scripted. She went off script, that's her mistake. And, you know, she may be the most completely disingenuous

person in the whole world. And probably is but I, for my for myself, to me how to fix that is to take people at their word until they prove that you can't. And he just went good man, Dave Jones. You're You're a sweet southern boy in Alabama shooting squirrels. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is evil son. We got to let you know about this stuff. kicking myself in the shoes, shooting squirrels hurting your crotch get sketchy, no fish. Catching the worst part? Yes, but you are

a very special person because you have this ability. You have an incredible demeanor and calmness about you, even with people that really irritate you. And I've seen this and you're very, very good because I think your basic rule is Doesn't take much just to be nice. Yes, it doesn't and it doesn't. It really doesn't turn that frown upside down. Mr. Dave. Mr. Happy to happy to twinkle toes. I could tell by watching her face. Yes, you're right. She didn't want to do it.

But I can tell by watching her face that she really the reason she didn't want to do it is because she still thinks she's right. Of course still not 100% on board with what everybody else said. And like, I'm just gonna put it real plain to you. This is this is show business shit. I've been through this too. You don't mess with the Jews in show business. I'll just say it. Brian of London will back me up on this. We talk

about this stuff. And I love that about Brian of London. We can talk about Semitism, anti semitism, all kinds of things. He's very open really willing to listen. That's just that's just what she did she crossed paths. Look at look at who's producing look who the bosses are. This is a very big thing I know. Because I've said to Jewish, Jewish people, friends of mine, isn't what? You're not white. No, no, we're

not. We're not white. We're Jewish. Okay. And once you once you've heard it, then you're like, okay, but this is all reasonably new for me. And I think it's with the whole white supremacy like, we're not white. We're Jews. And whatever the mechanism is, the whole thing is stupid. The whole thing. You know what I like? I like that we have Jews, Muslims. nutjobs, crazies, men, women. Gosh, who knows? Some of our developers could be trans. I don't care. We're building

product. We're building cool shit. We're saving the world. We're getting people paid. That's what matters. I can't believe that I spent this much time talking about Whoopi Goldberg. I tried to pull you away from it. You just kept doing it let's thank some people that'll always that always shakes it up. All right. Unless I'm sorry, if you want to play the the final Whoopie ko bear follow no God. But I completely understand what you're saying. It's just It's

futile to to think people were way beyond that. We've got a dopamine dispenser machine and everybody's pocket. Depressing. A little bit. But yeah, but no. Because pod Yes.

Yeah, but no, yeah, no. Yeah, no. Podcasts are definitely changing that the calmness the ability to just walk and listen to something that's a big part of Rogan success people aren't flocking to him for disinformation they're flocking to him because podcasts are the place we can hear someone talk for two seconds like you I don't care if you talk for five five hours about Whoopi I'll be right there with you we you know you know we care you actually do care of course I do.

You know I care about you first and foremost you would you would be concerned about my mental health well maybe our four I'd be like dude let's just move on. But we you know, we created times to for that you can play faster speed you can fast forward you can skip ahead you know, this is this is all within the hands of the of the user now, what B mode times to do is what but but this this is this is the shift this is the truth. This is what we've been seeing this is what we've been waiting to

happen. Unfortunately, the the rise of true podcasting in its real form of no one can mess with it. You can just do what you want to do and and say what you want to say comes at the same time the the world is in meltdown. But that's exactly why it's so great. For the past 24 months, I've had nothing but emails from people saying and I've talked to Tom Woods talk to Joe Rogan talk to

Megan Kelly, they all say the same thing. I got the same emails from people saying you kept me sane through this insanity. You did that? I guess do that's what podcasts do for people. And it doesn't mean that you have to have information better information. Just someone that you want to listen to that you probably agree with, you know probably or or something that is just you know, someone who seemingly is not affected and we'll talk about something else whatever it is, this became real

important. This was podcasts secret victory. Secret victory to me that that is I mean, obviously no agenda but then that's pod land. That's mere mortals survival podcast. It's, you know, the Fun Fact Friday. That's everything everywhere. I mean, like the that's The causality the podcasts are part of. I mean, it really does feel like a fan family type. You know, especially now that I can

send booster grants back and forth. I know like I'm talking to James Cridland I'm literally talking to him during his show. I'm like what I'm doing No, no, no, no, no. What are you talking? Hey 6666 for the devil's advocate Yeah. Karen down from a mere mortals the other day he said, and this this just cracked me up he said that his ideal girl that he'd want to date is kind multilingual and, and get into Bitcoin for 2014 Nothing wrong with marrying for money my friend. Nothing wrong

with that. Nothing wrong with they deserve every penny if you do. Speaking of speaking of pennies, yes. Let's thank some peeps. We get these are in completely jumbled up order because I had no time to prep. So chair Faro? monthly donation of $20.22. Thank you deduce. Got Scott Jalbert $12. That's a monthly donation. And I'm going slow and these because I'm they're still on the screen. I usually have my paper. Yeah, I hear this is out. You're ruining

the format. I know it's I'm totally off off kilter here. Miguel Gomez, give us $20 As a one time donation, thank you, Miguel. No note from Miguel Miguel, if you have a note, send it to me, I should probably say that this is a value for value project just to remind everybody, since I preach minds, we'll do it. We only exist by the value that we create and that people value

and send back. It's that simple. If you appreciate podcasting 2.0 This podcast all the work that's being done, the servers that are running the node for Oh crap, I supposed to do that ring of fire, the node for shit, I'm sorry. For liquidity where we put all of all of our bitcoins on this node and we open it we have hundreds of channels open or at least over 100 channels. And we've actually become an important node because of it. All because of you. So whatever value you get out of it, or if

you just love it, and that's the value right there. Go to podcasting next.org You can go down to the bottom of that page has a red donate button, or of course and we'll get to those you can boost us and and send stream some stats to us as you enjoy everything we're doing. Loretta Vandenberg gave us $10 I think that's the new subscript. I was gonna say, banana but Vandenberg Vandenberg Phantom, is that Dutch? Yeah, well, I know Adrian Vandenberg from Whitesnake.

Yeah, he's a Dutch guy. He's a Dutch guitar player. wonder she's related. Probably not. That's, that was always my problem with white lion. Just too close to Whitesnake. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember firehouse firehouse Yeah. Did they sing Don't close your eyes remember that when dunk clues firehouse Christian band today? No no when a Christian

was that but yeah that was firehouse striper. Man Do you remember striper strike Yeah, when I look into your eyes when I look into your eyes that's what your that was firehouse Don't close your eyes was kicks kx. Yeah. Oh, yes. This is this is firehouse Yeah. Oh my god. Take me back to the 80s Yeah, I got to turn that off. That's horrible. My aim was Don't close your kicks. I remember kicks to know I was hairband guy. I hear you, bro. I hear you. I hear

you. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Loretta. And we got Mark Graham gives $1 He's scription monthly donor. Thank you, Mark. $20 from Samuel Thorpe. And he says hello. My previous donate. Oh, hello. Hello. My previous donation was twice on actually says hello. Hello. Okay. Hello. My previous donation was read out twice. So I'm making up for it with another donation. Thank you. This is a new strategy. Very good day well done. Our evil plan has worked once again.

Notes sent to give at podcast index.org subject donation Okay, so he's got another note here. Okay, here we go. So he sent us another note he says Oh yeah this was he says my donation was read out twice that the second time you read the clarification about being fr pronounced father. Neither time was I anticipating the note to be read out I think I called him fryer. I think he is fryer isn't fr I think I think he's I saw that note I think FR is fryer is it not? Or is it father? Well he

says pronounced father. Oh, and he's a god caster or is he just a supporter? Do this see? I listened to a lot of God casters have to say yes, I feel grim path is the name from the pilgrim path. Okay, I'll check that. I love religious podcasts in jet most of them most of them. I do. I love Steve Webb man. I can listen to him all day long. Well, you might like the podcast. Oh, look it up in a minute. I'll send it to you. There's a podcast you might like.

Yes. Oh, see, Samuel says pronounce father. I started my podcast from the pilgrim path in November lockdown is 2020 here in the UK. Oh, so it was it was Hello. Hello. Hello from the pilgrim path. Yeah. James and Oscar and Samuel are all just like cringing right now. In the UK use WordPress to get going shortly after I encountered first first no agenda and then podcasting 2.0 in a conversation with Adam and Dave I quickly realized WordPress wasn't going to cut it is paused

rethink life happened at Time passed. And then you had the rss.com guys on and I signed up with them the day after I heard the show and they've been brilliant. Oh good. Oh, he's dude he's duped in the index. We have a dupe we got a duper Oh Was he WordPress and rss.com can well I'm looking at curio caster so I guess I should look at Can I just use that p i number that's interesting. From the pilgrim path here it is a dupe do I know his podcast? Not him personally? He is

oh, that Yep. Yeah, that's that's the WordPress I'll clean it up. Okay, so which one which one? Do we use the the Yeah, we got we got the right actually actually see. Oh, there's a different Pilger Oh, there's a pilgrim path podcast. Pastor Chris Surber. This one is from the pilgrim path. I know but we have Pastor Chris horning in on the name here I think we should we should shadow ban him. Shadow but I'm going to shadow ban. This anchor.

interloper and move Samuel up to the top. Yeah, yeah. Okay, I'll clean that up. Get get ready to get your value box set up. Yeah, yeah. What are you doing Samuel? Set up your blog. Oh, man, you actually have a mouse over it says claim your feed isn't true reclaim this claim this feed triggers me it does claim this feed on podcast we're okay. What should what should it say? Add a valuable I'm just think about it. claim this feed is just such a huge thing.

And it's usually used by assholes who trick you into signing up for something they steal all your content. Great. Yes. Oh, great. It'll change things. Thank you ppreciate it man. That's how we debug our shit here. People live on the air. Right. This is no good. Change that okay. noted on the pad. Chris, Chris bars. Ron, give us $33.33 And he says A big thanks from Sir bargy today for helping my new my new podcast show up right on the index. Oh, cool. So exciting to tell our producers

about the features they can see on these modern apps. Thank you pod father and go podcasting. Holy crap. Go podcasting. Oh, I got a new get a new boost jingle for you today. Oh, yes, I've been I've been waiting for it. As you know. I'm very good about this. I never listened to any of your clips or anything. But I did load it up into the player. Are we ready? Not yet. Okay. Yeah, we got three we got $1 from Boris Kaczynski. Not sure if I'm saying that right.

That's a monthly donation. Thank you, Boris. Boris. And got David Mitas $10 Thank you, David. Monthly. And Joseph Baraka $5. That's also a monthly Thank you, Joseph. All right. Mr. Graham's Woolshed. La Ah, okay, these are two good man. Whoosh. Okay, booster grams. Everyone's favorite part of the show. Signs of new growth. 33 Fat 33,333 SATs through fountain. He says I did it all for the Toshi de Lancie. Very much nice. 3333 This is a decent boost, man. That's a good one. Appreciate that.

Mike Newman, Mike sent me a really sweet email. And, uh, Mike, I appreciate it. Thank you so much. It was very encouraging to read his note this morning. Oh, nice. Yeah. Good guy, Mike, as soon as 22,104 SAS and he says command line boost again. This isn't but this now should add up to 2112. Oh, excellent. Rush boost. Yep. He sent that through the command to the command line app and has is

called Type II type. Yes. So just showing up in our in our daily reporting like who the hell was making Type II type? Yeah. Like what is type? What's type Ito? Boost to SATs from Mike Newman. Oh, that's him testing his head testing his plumbing. And he says go podcasting? Yeah, well I'm not gonna hit the jingle for two SATs bro. Yeah, you below the lie the way do Dave. Bitcoin is it 41,758 went up like five grand just today? Yeah. What is I see

a straight green line. Right up my chart. I wasn't even paying attention to it. What do you think that was? What do you think's the deal? Pay no attention to the financial markets, Please play it pay no attention to the trillions of dollars. The Federal Reserve is lending banks overnight. And for two weeks, three weeks pay no attention to the $300 trillion of derivatives. Pay no attention

to the inflation. All the people that are commenting that Spotify is stock is suffering because of people like pulling their music. Oh no, that is not true. No. How about they have less users than they expected? And they lost money and they're gonna lose more even more money next year. And the whole thing is overblown to start off with the stock market is overvalued. Certainly

NASDAQ. I mean look, look at all the red that has happened since the beginning of the year all tons of stocks are down days. This is not new for them. All of NASDAQ took just a serious dump especially when Facebook when Facebook now today NASDAQ is up 200 But that's just a seesaw the thing here peloton stock surges? Yeah, yeah, okay, after it flamed for it. So So yeah, until someone crashes dies. And in a movie, oh, you got a heart attack and the penalty in the movie stock drops 20%. Facebook

was down like 26%. Yeah. And you know, why is it they lost users for the first time ever? What happened? They lost $10 billion for the first time ever, not that they lost it $10 billion revenue hit because of the iOS changes to how how apps and Facebook has the SDK, everyone has Facebook's SDK. And that SDK, they severely limited what it was doing. You can only imagine if you have a billion users let's just say they have a billion fine $10 billion so that's at least 10 bucks ahead.

Every single person that they lost on you because Apple decided not to give some information. I love it when I hear James talking about tracking well that just work out what I had to give to you. Okay, fine. They know everything they profile you as a human being your your behavior, your habits, your location, where you go, who you meet with who you're in proximity with. These are the things that Apple turned off. And it's $10 billion revenue hit. And that's why everyone got

hit. But when Snapchat piece of crap, they had they were they had positive numbers for the first time revenue numbers. People like Snapchat most haven't figured out. They know how to target. So they they popped up 60% 60 It's It's It's disgusting. The whole thing is just disgusting. I mean, can we So Microsoft, made like, I don't know, they had like a record record profit to the border. I got $125 billion in cash in the bank.

Apple record quarter. Amazon record quarter mean, these guys these tech companies are making more money than God right now. Well, yes, no. This Yes. But the real thing is they're buying back their own stock. Enriching the executives and shareholders. Well, I The reason I brought that up though, was we as a company, have Microsoft Volume Licensing. Not not like us index but in my day job company, we have

contracts with Microsoft. We get the word back in like, early January, we got the word that Microsoft licensing on March one is going up 20% across the board. Sure, because you know, supply chain issues. This is Microsoft 365, office 365 All their cloud, all their cloud licensing all their traditional on premise everything everything up. 30%. So when are you moving to Linux? In the company? Well, you can you can your business. You can't

it has to be Excel. It has to be word to be. Yeah, I remember when, when I took my company public, it had to be WordPerfect 5.3 I believe. That was the only WordPerfect version you were allowed to use for sec SEC filings. All the lawyers used it. Dos? Yeah. DOS, DOS DOS, it had the s one document all in WordPerfect was it the Ford slash was X XL for the first while it may still have it, it supports those slash commands that Lotus 123 had.

I've never used them, but I know. You'd have like I was a Macintosh lotus, jazz user, Lotus, Lotus, Jazz Jazz who came on 18,000 floppies. you installed it on your Mac and Lotus Giles. First Net? Well, my first home network was Novell. No no it wasn't my first my first one was I forgot what they called it it was the door it was a das TSR Terminate and Stay Resident program it would do would communicate in the background all in base to the head and bass two connectors the head the little

at you had to terminate them on the end. You know, you'd have a run of turn s in the head and we had these orangey monochrome screens running I think it was das three dos three two or three one. And you had the the the you had word was it WordStar Lotus 123 Yeah, yeah. Man that's just that's like ancient Oh yeah. Boost Yes. Chad Ferro 3333 through fountain Asia says PIP you Oh, that's one I didn't have queued up I'm sorry. I gotta, I gotta put that one in the rack.

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then if it doesn't work, then I go back to curio cast. That's between us Steven Bay. Yeah, got it. Thank you very much for reminding me Stephen. It's perfect. It's a nice layout too. I really like it. That's 1934 sets do interesting numerology. I don't know why I chose that. Let's see 10,000 sets from Mike Hayden at red circle when he sent it through curio caster and he says Good thing I May Day sign that NDA. My lips are sealed Mike.

Say no more. Did you really sign an NDA? Now? You didn't sign? No. No, you wouldn't do that. That I know what it means. 4400 sets from horn loaded and he threw fountain he says V four V Yes. all in caps. Thank you. Thank you very much. Boost Woolshed karve hat. Sin is 22,222 SATs a humongous row of ducks. Oh, does he have a note through curio caster and he's just as ducks via Vila the unpronounceable name sorry, the VI l le Devi ever decide V V V V L. Ville villain. Wait, hold on.

And now it is time for Livia Are you trying to check your accuracy by seeing if you can match? Precisely what I'm doing Dave Jones. That is beautiful. I love it. Via send us 1001 stats. Thank you pod friend. He says I understand that you Dave can't see any other way forward than lightning BTC but I bet Brian of London can come up with an alternative. And you get a look Smiley. Oh, I bet he can't, but I bet he can too.

I bet it's got something to do with hive. Just a dude's and it's 999 says through fountain and he says, rounding up all those one set booster grants. Thank you boosts. That's how we do it. Oh, that's from Daniel Daniel. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Dan. 2222 sets from Kyron. The mere mortals podcast big of the devil, pod friend and he says thanks, legends. My goals for my goals for February are to get the value for value podcast on the Casta pod and to get some sort of node up and running. Oh,

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great podcast. Well, thank you, whoever you are. Mysterious, anonymous donor anonymous donor. Sir Pete gave us 12,222 says. He says Don't just stand there boost Yes. Boost Instagram propagate the message of podcasting 2.0 to investors, developers and producers. By working the algos on LinkedIn. Every day after the episodes drops, there's a fresh ready to go post on LinkedIn. And it Yes, he does that every single episode and I think it matters. I really appreciate it. LinkedIn

is an under utilized social media for a lot of people. I refuse to go on it I have an account refused to go on it because I just can't handle another social network. No, I deleted my LinkedIn profile. I finally did because I just, I just can't handle it. You're never going to your platen to put your paneling on hireable at this point anyway, um, you'd use one of those Kooks? Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you do a podcast with that um, you guys you're done.

You better find out find a career with me or otherwise it's over it's over. So I had this buddy there's a there's a real prominent lawyer here in Alabama, Alexander Shannara. And he's like a you know he's a what do you call it? One of the guys that sue people for injury like injury large Personal Injury ambulance chaser just Yeah, I was not Dallas trying not to Thomas jet. No, these guys have the best commercials. Thomas. I'm gonna fix. I'll get you millions of dollars. Well, he

calls himself the Alabama hammer. Exactly. Alabama hammer, we'll get you paid. Yeah. So I knew a guy who a long time ago that was going he was a lawyer. And he was going, he got offered a job from from this firm. And all of his friends he got all of his friends said don't do it. Because once you go and work for this guy, you'll never work for any landlord anywhere else. Yeah, you get blacklisted. Yeah. And I don't cannot reveal what he did. But he's making a lot more money.

Okay. Cool. McCormick gave us 333 sets through fountain and he says I'm boosting while I'm okay. Okay. Um we may need to cut this out or not? Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Let me just start over here. We got a donation for 333 sets through fountain. And this person says, I'm boosting you while delivering weed. I don't think we have to edit that out. You don't Okay. He's delivering it to my door for heaven's sake, a coma. Okay, it's probably illegal. It's illegal. It's legal in some

states day if you don't know his situation. He may not even be in The US you may not even be weed. It may be actual ways, right? Just a big bag of weed you go see, just Justin de Zhong from Michigan says first boost, boost or die that was 500 sets Welcome Welcome to the party power booster die. Wow. Coming in with serious I like that idea booster. Another t shirt opportunity. Store die. Nomad Joe 750 says he says tick tock me more and now it's time for some hot namespace talk. We haven't done

that in a while. Yeah, it's an old one. Yeah, it's a classic from the archives. Where this show is now old enough. We have archives Yes, we do. We have archives. We're ready for a season tag. Season. Cast Pelland gave us 3300 sets and through fountain he says he says haha, the content of my nickname. Thanks. Now that part we might have to cut out if we go into that again. Yeah, yeah, let's not do p LAN. No. 1000 SATs from anonymous through breeze and it says Fletcher says

boost boost Fletcher that's not Fletcher. No. I don't think we don't have a flood. We don't have a flood you're saying boost now. Well, we all do. That is quite an oversight oversight. I think yeah, there's no Fletcher boost not nothing I'm aware of. Caspi Lind again, he gave us 1000 SATs. He says to give some details about my nickname, it should be cheese from P land in English. P stands for sugar beet in this case. Okay, he's got a link here. I love that people can see the

links in blue sent the link in the booster gram. Yes. Cool. Oh, wait, it's a picture. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna break every rule and I'm going to click on this picture. And hope that this is nothing nothing terrible. Oh, well, it's just a picture of sugar beets. What happened to the good old days of goatse go God. Hey, kids, go and google that one. No place now. Okay, this is sugar beets. I guess they're just laying on the ground sugar

beets big deal in Holland. Oh, are they? That's what people ate during the World War Two the Hunger Winter 45 They would get on their bicycles with wooden tires and bike for 100 kilometers just to get a sugar beet and then eat it with the nettle soup with rocks. Not like this. I guess you can't I guess there's no sugar cane that's not the right climate. So you need meat and horses like it of course horses eat sugar beets Sigit picture the sugar beet Thank you. I put this in show notes.

He's pretty janky looking sugar beets are pretty nasty looking good. Going into show notes for sure. Even putting them in our folder for today. He says love the Dutch. I know. Boost boosts. Yeah, boost anonymous. Another another flutter says boost some but somebody somebody is politicking for a Fletcher boost? Yeah, this is weird. It may be him. He may be politicking himself. And there's another one for another 1000 says Wow. somebody really wants this

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Especially with Alexa poser. I wish I could. I'm sure there's no speaking English, we're Luxembourg. It's like a non Country. It's where everyone has their banking. It's like where do you have we have our Bahamas with no, no. What is our LLC state here? beiden state? Oh Delaware Delaware. Yeah, this is kind of like a Delaware of Europe. Saudi Ireland. Yeah. Well, you have I think you have a royal family and then bunch of banks. Guys, you got a palace. You got a cool casino and a bunch of

banks and consumer choice radio if you want to hear crib. Yeah, yeah, pick and vaping Wow, they're getting wild in Luxembourg. Yeah, I like it. He's a wildcat. This Umbral man people are digging this. This Umbral is with Halle pad is made for podcasters. The new version is a lot better. It's a lot more stable. It's very see I like the 14 for 14 Is it now? 1314 1213 1313 Yeah. John's BRT, give us EU baller boost 49,490 sets Bala shot kala Blaze on em Paulo nice. And his messages to that's it

really unsatisfying now but it's still good for me. Yeah. stim are stemmer 42. Gave us 1000 SATs and he says Tristan from fountain. Alright, thank you. Thank you, steamer 42 John's VRT again with another 49,490 Shot call 20 give you like each other. And another one from John's VRT. 4949 No, that's not it's not about oh, he only gets one few. Yes. Just a little pick me up. Again. One of the boost is that this is better for after the big ball or it's mood boost.

Thanks for the boost. Okay, so Tim K. The Bootstrap bandit. Oh, yeah. He gave us a bunch a little bit. A little bit donations, but I'm gonna read him though. Yeah. Hi. 69. Two emojis. I can't decipher. And another high and a emoji this the finger pointing up. Okay, great. Yes, me. Now this sounded to me like it was a nasty gram. Speaker. Pictures you can't decode. Yeah, a progressive nasty grandpa's when that was yeah, gotcha. See, John's BRT, again with 4949 and a few.

I think your P was better than I want that in the new heli pad release you doing that? You do. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. The Pew is cool. You can also just from time to time, do a bar and d. State call random. Yeah, it wouldn't be fun if you're heavy pad just one boost. That is, that's a good one. That's just every now and you can't you never know when it's going to happen. Well, how about

that's over over 10,000 SATs boost. You know, you've you've you've already you're getting in on I've a PR request to have a pull request ready to go. You're talking about I'm able curry beat you to it because he's doing this doing this. Oh, excellent. Oh, brilliant minds think alike. Only the good ones can implement it though. That's not me. Everything everywhere. Gary aren't our buddy. Through fountain he sent us 3141 SATs. He says the last few weeks have shown why open podcasting is a

must. Hopefully some big players will embrace it once they realize they can't dominate it. Gary aren't everything everywhere daily. Thank you, Gary. And I've seen his posts and I've seen his overall his overall messaging. Don't get too hung up on the big boys, Gary. Yeah, don't get too hung. Don't get too hung up on big shows using it don't get too it'll all happen. This is you can't force it. It just takes time. The moments when all of a sudden people hear about it are

magical. We're living one right now kind of this is the groundswell and this is going to be more and more and more of a don't get hung up on Apple do they're not going to do it. Apple's not going to do it. Spotify is not going to do it. Amazon's not gonna Google's not going to do it. The author is going to do it as podcasters telling their audiences to use a modern podcast app for all the reasons

we discussed. One thing I want to ask Gary is I've boost a boost in his body and in his show, he says, leave me a review or send me a question and I'll read it out on the show. And you do. I've boosted him things. Some booster grabbed him, and I'm I have not heard it on the show. And I need to hear it on the show. That's the best show. Yeah, yeah. You have to that's you got to close the loop man. Closed loop. I'm going to keep boosting you until I hear my message on your

show Gary boost. It's a boost sooner I'm going to boost Nami you until I hear it. Boost khaki I think is the term you're looking for. Now that would be if we all boosted alright tonight eight o'clock synchronized watches we all boost Gary at the same time. It's a boost Kakei. This word does not need to exist but it was wiped from the lexicon. I saw a different one though I saw boosts chain from hug story. Hashtag thanks, chain Well, I think you boost they're doing it

live. Okay, I think you boost and then you can boost to someone's boost. I gotta I gotta Carolyn Blaney and they're doing crazy shit over there. I'm telling you this people are running away with this stuff now. Well, I mean, Sir Spencer and Abel Kirby and all that. They're all nuts. Tech totally crazy. And that we love them. This is what we need reckless behavior. Perfect behavior. Hashtag reckless. Please run with scissors. It's

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guy standing with a cup has an easier job than we do. Yes. I don't know if you what you wish you could even this less than minimum wage if you weren't. But we know from the way value for value works, though. I mean, it always evens out. If you ask people to send what they think it's worth. It always evens look, I've learned the way I've lived is whenever I needed money, I just said okay, it should it'd be cool to have some money to like pay the rent

and then shows up somehow. This has been my life. So I know that you know we've got our expenses. Were kind of covering the expenses sometimes a little bit more. We were good. We could do a hell of a lot better. We could all will be great to put some money in our pocket. But I don't see that happening for a quarter for the foreseeable future net forever. Did you see the hate mail that we got? Oh, no. Oh, no. What do you mean? No like it like 430 this afternoon? Oh crap, I missed it.

No, I'm going to anonymize it on the fly. But it is pretty funny. Okay. says, Hi, I'm contacting you today because my podcast listing is not correct. Again. My, my website should be blah, blah, blah. And my podcast feed should be blah, blah, blah. I'm very frustrated that I have to babysit your company to get my listing up to date is very inconvenient. And if I have to keep babysitting your company to make the correct changes, then you can pay me $20 an hour.

Since then, I would be kind of working for you. Perhaps you should just let the user add their own website and RSS feeds because your company can't seem to get anything right. Wow. This is great. And you anonymizing this person this is nothing no agenda way these people you call out by name and make a fun fun deal out of it. This is hilarious. No, no. Well, well, well, no, but we're really sorry that we once again our company, our enormous Corporation. We're very sorry the company screwed

it up. But when in fact there's oh my god, Dave. We're getting calls from the VC they can't believe that we've screwed it up once again that like the on the phone like you guys here we got people complaining. Yeah. We're gonna have to go on Colbert and apologize. Yes. What was the problem? What was the problem? And you $20 No, don't do that. Our God. What was the problem? Just a reset needed on his feed? They just moved to state and didn't do a redirect.

Oh, okay. But somehow it's our stupid, our stupid corporation who can't get it together. That's great. Why doesn't everybody understand bye bye. By the way, the global hive mind that I changed my feed you are Yes. Yes. And why doesn't everybody understand just by looking at our website? We're not a big corporation. It should be evident. It should be obvious to you. Yeah. We try. We try. We try. We do try. And we fail. Ah, try again. Long week for you, Mr. Dave. It is we doing this weekend I'm

going to do on this weekend. This weekend, I'm going to be working on trying to get the index to be better about refreshing metadata in episodes. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I messed it up. Yeah. Let me just run through it real quick. is, so the issue is just purely, it's some technical debt that I have to go and fix. And I was in a hurry yesterday from being

basically I wasn't explaining this well. But what I was trying to say is that there's a performance, excuse me, there's not a there's not an agreed upon way within within the world within the world of RSS. To know, to do this, to say that a feed has been an item has changed, you really just have to what am I trying to say that you can tell the feed has changed, but there's not an accepted way to know that an item has changed. That also does not introduce a lot of, of false

positive stuff. And so there's a lot of feed generators out there that, that update their, their feed content dynamically. Right, and it will really screw you up, because you will end up sucking in and doing in spending all of this performance time hammering your database on updating items that really are just these, these non-systemic is setting a new timestamp for you automatically or something screws up your aggregation i Oh, hey, I've been through this with you for a decade, my friend?

Yes, I know, I know what you're saying. I know the pain. One an example of this, go look at Librivox. Their RSS feeds are terrible. But, but they're necessary. I mean, Librivox, we have, you know, we need those things in the index. Those are important. But they're, these are bad. So one. So what made the trade off early on at the very beginning to performance reasons, because we don't have a lot of money to spend on server horsepower. A made the trade off of saying, I'm not going to update the

episode metadata. Unless it's something like title. I think that may be the only thing. And the reason is because we didn't have a big enough database server to handle right. Just all the data, just the data, the pure data. Yeah, that's just no agenda Show Notes alone. Yeah. And so what I've done is, I had started working on this about three months ago. And then dropped it because we got a lot of other stuff going on.

And Hello, Pat and a lot of stuff. So now I'm going to get back to now realize when I went back to it yesterday, that I had gotten further along with the code than I thought I had so good. is really one of those pleasant surprises. Yeah. All right. I see what I did here. Okay. I haven't with my code all the time. I go back to my old code. I'm so happy. You're AppleScript Yeah, right. What's this MAC drive? It's trying to act. So anyway, that that's, that's something I'm gonna be working

on this week. And I hope within Hey, man, why don't you Why don't we Why don't you take some money out of the node and go take your wife out for dinner? Yes. paid directly from the node. Yeah, no, of course you have to use breeze and cook it up and ran into an offer to pay them in SATs but take your wife. Take your wife out to dinner. I should just do that and show when the waiter comes for the bill. You just say my breeze? No, no, no, this is what you do.

Okay, you ready? So obviously you can't take any money because we don't have any to give. But here's what you do. Take her out nice restaurant. And when the bill comes you say baby this was from podcasting? 2.0 just say just say it fuck yeah, it's not it's not no but just in life credits it is like credit. Karma. You got lots of good karma. Baby all those hours I spent writing code in the in the closet. A slow eat slow

No, no, you know, heavy on the one. Just a little bit. All right, I'm gonna let you go. Oh man, we both got it. Thanks Dave and have a great weekend brother. I'll be we'll be talking. Everybody else Thank you very much for attending this late and somewhat prolonged board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We look forward to seeing you next friday Same time, same place See you then do you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information boost