Episode 71: SPECS and SPACS

podcasting 2.0 for January 28 2022, episode 71 specs and specs Hello, everybody. It's cold everywhere that we are. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 This is the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 podcast index.org Everything happening with the podcasting namespace. And of course, for the studio audience there at podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama, there's a problem that he can't fix because he can do it in the mix.

My friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. I'm trying to send Brian of London a calendar invite. I've got like, I haven't, let's see 1234 different email addresses for this joker. Oh, yeah, this calendar invites in general, I find somehow that that never really quite worked. Well, it makes me suspicious that he has so many different different email addresses and one person is not supposed to have four different email address.

Oh, yeah. No, no, you have to understand he also has four different families. One in the states he has four identity. Oh, yeah. He has four identities. One in the UK, one in Israel, one in the US. And then one probably like Cyprus or something and he has all his money. Cyprus, Tina and Tina and I concluded on curry in the keeper, that he must have married into a very wealthy family. Because he has no job you know, there's no way how is he making money? This is

impossible. This man cannot survive. Hives combination of Hive, hive and paddleboards that's the what? I was just kidding, of course, but the hive I know the hive foundation or whatever it is that that the community creates grants. Yeah. Which is very cool. Actually. That works that way. But what's the paddleboards? I don't know. You just mentioned it one day. He called me Miss eating.

Oh, okay. Well, that's not very professional Dave Jones. I mean, I did ask you if you were ready when I hit the button. That was I was ready to stick this Jesus Oh, man. I'm so I'm listening to Heartland last night. And what is there's a glaring like gap in the show there's what's booster Graham corner is just missing. Yeah, I sent a bunch of boosts and I got in I fixed James's hell a pad and all that kind of stuff. And I got cheated. No, no booster gram corner.

Oh, cuz I was gonna say I know, I know that. The heli pad thing was broken because I had the same issue. But we got to fix though last night. Yeah. Good. Dave, tell me Were you in bed when you were telling me how to do it because I was in bed listening and doing the commands. I was I was in bed. How sick are way. I'm literally was like, why don't you just go to sleep? I'm on Terminix or whatever it is that you know. So I can SSH

into my Umbral and like copy. Long press copy. And then I pasted it which I do in VI on the terminal program and then some extra character got added him like oh crap, man, I I don't want to embarrass myself by telling Dave I'm doing this on my phone. I messed it up. Okay, delete. Yeah, perfect. Okay. Ah, yes, there it is, is working. So I walked away from the s ahead fix and I was I hit the build command. Well, maybe we should explain what happened first, because this is why you

know the episode title specs and specs and specs. Because in podcasting, but maybe in software in general, but certainly podcasting, the adherence to any type of specification is far to be found. And we've known this for over a decade, of course, with our experience with the freedom controller, but sometimes you have to consider all the exceptions that can come your way because otherwise software breaks.

Yes. Then the one thing that you don't do, which is the exact thing I did was okay, so they're in, in, in modern OS, a modern in memory safe. languages that try to help you not write bugs by giving you compile time checks. And so this is a feature of some languages, notably swift and rust. There's others that will have have a thing called optionals. You them. So the optional says this, you define your function and you say, Okay, this function is going to return this optional value. And the the

option can contain a value or it can contain nothing. And if it contains a value, then it needs to adhere to a type. If it contains nothing, it's just nothing. So what this key what the reason this is good is because at compile time, you can know that you can, you can know which checks that the the linker has to do, or excuse me, not the linker but the compiler has to do in order to make sure that you're not going to code the

error wrong. Now, you still may get unexpected values back. But you're, you're very unlikely to, to introduce a simple bug of not handling the return value properly. So the optional says, it can either be a sum or a nun or an okay or an error. And then if it's an error or a nun, you just move on, well, you had in order to get to the value of that return, you have to do what's called unwrapping it. So you have to, you have to get the return, and then unwrap it to see what's in it, but you only

unwrap it, if it's an okay or a psalm. So that means you get the return value back and if it's okay, or if it's some, then you unwrap it to get the value that's inside of it. So if you call unwrap on a font on a return value, that you didn't check whether it's an okay or not, you could be unwrapping nothing. And when you do that thread panic. That's what I did.

So, when the JSON from the message from the boost comes in, so the booster gram payload for the there's this JSON block, when it comes into the into Hello pad, from by Hello pad, poling L and D. l pad gets this JSON blob and sends it off to the to a serializer to extract all of the JSON out of it and convert it to a structure in rust. This process has a lot of

parts to it. Because you have to say, Okay, well, you know, if if somebody wrote the the boost the SATs amount, as a number, as an integer, decode it this way, if they wrote the integer in quotes that actually comes through as a string, so you need to parse it out, back to what back to a number out of a string, and

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, what I had done was inside one of those two serializer functions, I was assuming that it was supposed to be that it was a number and unwrapping it without actually checking if it was a real number. I want to stop you there, Dave. And I want to have everybody understand what Dave just did is what developers do all day. So

when you say these things broken, it sucks. Think of that thought process that he just took you through, which was some of the most riveting audio programming in my life that have ever been shelved in lung. And you're not done yet. Yes, and then just getting warmed up. So this this one this thing did is it blew up? It would. Hella pad itself is built with two different threads. Okay, so threads are just

pipelines of execution. So there's when you launch Hello pad l pad is is actually two lines of execution that are executing simultaneously. You have the the web server thread, which serves the page, and then you have the polling thread. And then you have the lnd polling thread that's looking for background for boosts in the background all the time. When that JSON problem happened, and it would, it would panic, the thread, the lnd polling thread would die, but then

web server web server would keep alive right, right. Right, right. So it would look like it just stopped working altogether. Now who was the culprit of this evil JSON? There was two culprits Those are called announced alien invaders who have not and who have not uncloaked what is going on people make yourselves known. One, the first the first culprit, and I'm going to give him a hard time This is Gil Geremy from pod station. Okay.

Yeah, he had a wrong type he was sending something as integer or should have been an integer and it was a Float Float. Yes of course a float. Yeah, so he was sending the timestamp is like 1234 rookie Get your shit together. Really? Really rook. I mean seriously? Yeah. And the worst part about it the part that I felt bad for him for it was he the post that he sent that broke everything

what the booster Grammy sent what said some? See I've got it here it says something like, prolific like one giant leap for mankind. It was like oh, here it is. Hello, Adam and Dave and James. If you got this message. This is the first successful booster gram sent from pus Tahitian. Cheers and Happy New Year. Poison Pill. He shot us with his cyber cannon and blew everything up. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. So he DDoS everybody with hell pad that was in this

chain. Nice. Right? Yeah. Now, but yeah, he is just a simple mistake. And they so but what your what was it from your story earlier? Your point is Halle pads should have been able to trap that properly and not panic on it. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, it was totally my fault. Yes. Because you never know. It was funny, as is. Hella pad, the D serializer. And handle lots of terrible JSON like if the JSON had just been completely broke. Is that something you wrote the D serializer?

Or was it well, it's it's using a library called seer. CRD and it's basically it sets up a framework. And then you have to write your own pieces for the specific values that you expect. Okay, good, buddy. Yeah, framework. I got it. Yeah, it basically is callback functions. And so like he, if he had sent JSON that was just completely broken, didn't even validate. It would have been fine. Yeah, it would have just ignored it. But the fact that he sent a valid type, and

it was one type that I was not expecting, that's broken. And so if it had, you know, like, he's in a float in that, then that that is valid, but it was like, Yeah, but this but it's not this, this thing's not an integer and is like up, as we say, in podcasting. 2.0 Be prepared to experience the unexpected. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that. So then, the second boost that broke yours was a new app called use social use social.me.

And I was not aware of this app, even though the developer of it is, is on podcast index, social, I wasn't aware that it was actually functional yet. And so then, he was sending, it was the same exact thing, he was sending a float in, in the value inset field. So it broke it again, broke again. But the the problem with that one, though, which made it worse was that he it's he was doing it in the stream, and not a boost. So it was

sending like, tons and tons of them. So I didn't even know like I couldn't even work around it because there's some unknown quantity of the stream payments. On this project. This eusocial.me actually looks kind of cool, because if I understand it, it's it's a little aggregator podcast client with built in value for value function, and search on the index that you can basically put into your own app or use for something else. Yeah, that's what it looks like to me too. Cool. That's very cool.

It's almost like family and who runs this? Do we know? Do we know the person's name? Anything about him? That his handle is IBZ. He is her and that I don't think we actually have to do say his her. His or her? I don't know if it's a man or woman. Yes, true. It is. No, it wasn't one way isn't his or it was not? His her. I thought you and his her? I don't know. No, it was not a 14th gender. It was okay. That's what I'm talking about. Yes. That's kind

of interesting. And so is this fixed now? Do we know? Yes. Now, we've had contact as you've had contact with the deaf. Yeah, I posted an issue on that on that repo. And he fixed it within like, you know, an hour he she? He isn't his? Yeah. Yeah. No, he's Johnny on the spot. Now, what is this other app that is boosting with a whole bunch of zeros That might be the bug app. The bug app. Yeah. When you just

have a bug in your code? I don't know. I have no idea. I can't imagine anybody's actually sending a boost with the app name set to 1000 zeros. Yeah. Okay. All right. I will dig and find out that, well, good work, we got to work on the fix. And now we have now we have to wait until until Umbro updates are due at this time for their next release or something for us to update within their app, because that's kind of a slow shady process.

Well, you were the last in the testing chain, to make sure that things didn't break. So now that I know that it works good on yours. And then I will tell you, you, you do a pull request to them. And then they do that when they are ready. Yeah, well, I have to re upload the Docker image because I just

did it under the latest branch. So that's all wrong. So I'll have to just off to re upload, make a new build a new Docker image, tag it correctly for Docker Hub, and then post a PR on their on their repo. So we have so much to do I know that I think so there's a new UI that who's working on the UI for help Ed? Yeah, Khalil is the guy on podcast index. And now he built a lot of the UI. But I'm, I'm going to get a lot of the

guts first and then go put the new UI UI on. So like, because we still need some stuff, we still need a streams endpoint so that you can pull out the streams instead of just the boosts and we also need a CSV export. Yeah. Yeah, that's yeah. It makes you weak in the knees. Yes, it does. Because the copy paste and then going through meticulous because I receive a whole bunch of different like for different podcasts on my Umbral you know, and some just

like a 1% split just just to get the booster grams. Yeah. And so it's kind of interesting. I know that I've reached because you know, it says so many days week you know, there's not really a time stamp if you just do a copy paste of the actual HTML screen.

And so and I usually I paste that into my outliner so at least it's you know, separated by line and I can you know, tab down and I can tell okay, this is all my facts you know, if I'm looking for Korean to keep running just shift key down, and I know that it's that I've reached the previous kind of section of where I should be looking for new booster grams when I hit the comic strip blogger booster, gram. Yeah, he's like, so consistent. It's like, oh, there's there's

commerce your block. Okay, boom, that's where we stopped there. Now we can keep going. And he doesn't show limiter. He is the delimiter. He is, is the limiter. Those things? So do you want this as as an OPML? Export or CSV? Yes. I think it's more it's probably more appropriate for if it's an if you know if or is this is a new age of liberalism. This this is both and okay. Yes, I would love to have for me, of course, OPML would be much better because I'm, what I'm going to do is I'm going to

copy the XML and OPML that's exactly what I'm doing. So it would skip a step and a whole trip through Redmond, which would be appreciate I do have libre office too, of course. Are you in front of or near helipad? Right now? Yeah, of course you can. Actually I'm kind of what I thought I thought I had this Umbral in the value split for like a monitor percent, but I guess not because because I wanted to have the booster grams coming in while we're doing the show.

I thought it was too. Is it not showing up? No. And if it was in there, it's very possible that Hey, hold on a second. What network Am I on here? I'm on the right network. Oh, here we go. Yes, I'm in front of irrelevantly check. Wow, we just got 33,333 from signs of new growth. So you're you're getting them so yeah, I guess so. That's weird. I don't understand. But I didn't see the comics for Blogger one comes through which is odd. Well, I don't see you in the I don't see in the split the UFC a

podcast.org which is our main node. Dred Scott and curio caster. I don't see you there. I see you're in NA, you have a split for in a Yeah, but I just received a boost or 42 minutes ago. Oh, hold on a second. Let me let's go to the source of truth Dave Jones, which is the source of truth. Truth is the RSS feed. Yeah. Okay, hold on a second. Let me let me just I can get there pretty quick. Let's take a look and see what's in the block. Yeah. Yes.

Oh, nothing that was all it was any reaching. Oh, get off the burner. Getting booster grams off the printer. Oh, they're still warm. Okay, so let me see what's in the value block. We have podcast index strip, Scott curio caster and booster grant monitor. Hey, the RSS feed has boosted grand monitor that's not reflected on the podcasting 2.0 API, a booster grant monitor is at the episode level. The channel level does not have oh, well of course. Yeah, that's that would make sense. Does it?

Yeah, because that's something that that I'm just putting in temporarily. And well, yeah. Well, if you're only putting it in at the episode level anyway, then you're gonna have to it's gonna override the channel anyway. Yeah, well, that's that's what I mean. Okay, now, okay. I gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah. It's not at the podcast level. Yeah. That's just like real monitor. That's why it's really cold in this room. And I'm currently hugging a stack of

booster grams, because they just came out of the printer. And they're warm. Yes. Oh, you know what? It could also be? Because I'm pretty sure I put it. It's almost I should put it in the at the channel level. But it's a 1% fee of the whole thing. Right? It may not be getting through, sometimes because of fees. Oh, it just the fees just obliterate the booster. Yeah, I think so that's possible to sending it to my note, depending on where you're coming from. I can see that.

So when I was testing last night, I was sending. I just had to read a shell script to send booster grams with with whatever JSON? Yes. No agenda in there. Thanks for that. Yes. So I was just hitting this thing over and over with every crazy malformed piece of JSON I could think of and every one of them. But and I was putting it in for like eight sets each. And every one for some weird reason. Is was routing through Dave Jackson School of podcasting node. Which is funny because I like I was

sending it from my Umbral to my voltage node. And I have a direct I have a channel between myself and volt, that they share a channel but for some reason it was routing it through Dave Jackson says, Well, maybe Dave Jackson has a zero fee is zero fee. Now, I highly respect Dave Jackson's technology jobs. But I'm gonna suspect the heat does not know how to set his channel for his to zero. I mean, oh, man, I think you underestimate maybe Jackson. Maybe the backup singers did it for him. And

it's Dave Jackson. And the Jackson nets everybody. Yes, exactly. Well, I'm super super happy with heli pad. It is a beautiful piece of software. It's opening people's eyes. I love how podcasters are promoting it. You're already seeing people doing some cool stuff with it was a dead GG. GG putting on the webpage. Yeah, that's some cool stuff that really is. Now we move to another piece of tech because there's so much happening and I've just been kind of looking

at this big ball of activity. So the flood, it is a flood. So pod ping, we got a new version, which kind of sets it up sets up a couple other things, including the LIVE TAG, correct? Yes. Yes, there's reason reason codes are in the new version 1.1 that Brian and Alex really right now what are the options for the reasons so the pod ping it hits? The reason is it could be new feed new episode live something What else do we have? Yeah, well, currently, the reasons are, update or live.

There's your there's your options. If you don't include a reason code, it just defaults to update. So that means the feed just updated. Yep. So not quite as expansive as No, I mean, you know, the reason take your panties off. Okay. I'm good. Yeah, yeah, that one's not in there yet. For some odd reason that I can't explain. The The reason every reason code has to have some, you know, it has to have a significant support structure behind it. So yes, the air and live isn't as Yeah, I got it.

Yeah, the LIVE TAG exists now so that that can be pushed through. But what's going to happen is now that that update, is there the 1.1, Hive writer, night, I don't want to bore people let me back up real quick. So, pod ping is, is the hive writer, that's really what pod ping that's what it's called hive dash writer. You can run your own hive writer, and if you have hive blockchain posting keys that have been blessed by podcast index, then you couldn't and you can write them to the blockchain to

hive block. Yes. Yeah, exactly. So what that's that's different from pod pink cloud. It's a pod pink cloud is a service. Yes, is the service that we provide in order to have an interface into hive writer that people? If you don't have posting keys, it's like custodial pod ping or noncustodial. Pod ping? Yes, yes, exactly. Yeah, exactly. My thoughts. Exactly. Bingo. Boom shaka laka. Is custodial pod paying is what it is. or custodial hive writer. And it's a pod ping dot cloud is

two pieces. It's the hive writer, and a front end and a web front end. So the web front end currently does not. Since this is new, and the high writer just got updated. The web front end for piping cloud does not have a way for you to send the reason codes to it so that it can pass them to high writer. Got it. Now is my next step. Just the web server running its own separate thread though. Yes, yes, it does. Okay. It's also multi threaded.

Oh, very nice. Yes. Okay. Just checking if you guys are on the ball. Yes, web Web. Neat. Maybe interesting. Part, the piping front end, accepts accepts updates, feed URLs, through through through a get request, takes the URL immediately puts it into a SQLite database. And then there's a separate thread that checks the SQLite database for URLs on a timer every few seconds and posts them to hive writer to let it to let it stick

them on the blockchain. That's what's happening there. There's accepting and then transmitted Do we have any visibility on how many people are using this? I mean, are people identifying when they when they hit if they hit the pod pink cloud or the pot? If they're using pod ping writer? Is there any identity? Who was who was sending an update? Other than you know, the the feed URLs, it kind of gets given away? But well, there's a there's a user agent that passed along with it.

That's a requirement. It has to have a user agent and just the user agent charge ticket prices, or how does that go? Yes, yes, the user agent is the one in charge of you. I should just do that. I should just take everything you say literally, but not about code and just the English language and ask questions about that. That's how that's how normies listen to this. Yes, I may say if I can if I can put myself outside of normally dumb for a moment.

Okay, speaking of normies I was on this dis dis workshop yesterday teach Oh, this is the fam the fam thing was the fan pod. What was it? Defense magazine, defense E S D 's, Fe mes de femmes magazine. Okay, what is this? And how did you get roped into this? So, well, I got roped into it through Roy scheinfeld. He, he says, you know, hey, this, this lady's looking for you. And so anyway, we talked to her and she has started this defense thing,

which is cool. It's like a women's women's trade group. Yeah, entrepreneurship. crypto. I'm all for that. Yeah, I think that's good. Yeah, it's a really cool thing and they're doing some neat stuff like they're they're a they are a DA Oh, but not on the Ethereum a Dow $1 A day how are they doing the Dow they're only Adele financially so like they're they're doing it through through multi SIG wallets.

Okay, all right. Okay, that's perfect. That's probably even better than some of these Aetherium things. Yes, she said they have a five by five multi SIG please don't email me about me being wrong that eath is great, please. It's not necessary. Don't care. Animate career.com They so the The workshop was about like

Bitcoin and is a little bit of a misunderstanding on my part. So I'm thinking, I thought what my role was there was to explain, like, give the tech side and show how to how this all works like with the all of podcasting 2.0 Because I see that they're big for value. Okay, yeah, cuz they seem to be heavy on Bitcoin here. Look at the website. Okay. I think the thing was like, it was like How to Earn Bitcoin with your podcast or something. Oh, okay. Right. Make sense? Yeah. Yeah, I'm

like, Okay, here's how it works. Here's your onboarding, all that kind of stuff. But it so it, it turns out there was not exactly that I was a little too tech heavy. So I prepared a lot of slides that Was it anything like the first 11 minutes of this podcast? Because then I can understand that they might not have hit the mark. It was one notch low ledge down. Okay. From this. Yes. Yes. Yes.

So, I mean, you know, I, I am fairly typically good about about kind of speaking Normie. I'm usually multilingual that way. But evidently, I was just like, over by SAS, because she stopped me about five minutes into it. She was like, Hey, this is great. I've been this. I've had this happen, you know, you don't even have to continue. I want to hear it though. This is a natural

progression. When when when when you're an evangelist, which what you are, you're an evangelist, and and rightly so as the pod sage because here we are, created this crap. But yeah, it's very, and I have this all the time. And Tina, luckily, I mean, she will text me. Back off, you're missing it. You know if it's a live thing, right? Yeah, it happens. Okay, so hey, wait, no, no, you got it. No, you got to do the scene. Come on. I want to hear it. I want to hear the pain you went through.

Hey, oh, Dave, can I just can I just ask you to stop for a second? Yeah, um, maybe you could speak English. It was not that bad. She was not she was not that rookie. So the problem here is I didn't have a wing man. Like you have Tina. Nobody was watching this to text me. That's why there's two of us, Dave Jones. Um, but okay, you went, you went rogue. Oh, you Oh, I wasn't invited. Yes, exactly. I wasn't invited.

And so she said, Hey, man, maybe you could like, show, like, speak to how you like to do this, or how you implement it. Like she was trying to say, can you get through all the get through all this stuff you're saying right now and kind of like jump to the end. So you went to slide 13? Which is podcast or wallet? Yes. I went to Well, I was on slide 13 when I jumped forward to slide 33. So I skipped half the presentation. But anyway, so

I want this slide deck. Man, this sounds like a great deck that you can pick and pick and poke and pick from to suit the audience. Yeah, well, you know, the only the only cool thing to come out of this, as far as we know, for me, I think is that I now at least have the slides that I can do this presentation at like podcast moving or something. So what I needed to have, this is something that we can publish, and people can use it themselves.

Sorta, but that gives the magical way. I want them to have to come and watch and fall asleep in front of me. Sorry, I didn't know about you, Dave. I thought it was for broadcasting things about me. Wait a minute, there's no room because there's me. You can't see about you. He should have been about you yesterday, because being about me was a disaster. Right? I would have gladly jumped on that grenade for you, brother. I don't have your chops. I don't have your chops to go in front. Like I

have Halle and survive Haertel 45 minutes. I tell you my most embarrassing moment ever when it came to a technology presentation. And I don't remember where this was. But it was a corporate thing. It was a big corporate event. And a buddy of mine was producing corporate events a big corporation and I'm someone may remember us with a stage and with rigging and everything. And they wanted me to show the

future of the internet. And this is early. This is the early days right when Katie Couric was still like email, we can get something called electronic mail. So that's how long ago this was come up and sit on my lap kids. Let me tell you a story. And so I at the time, this is way before podcasting. This is 90s early 90s. I'm like, I'm going to show the M bone. Now the M Chem bone. I remember that was the

multicast backbone. And it was was a multicast your multicasting packets across, you know, basically a virtual network of connected network segments and nodes. So that, you know, it was efficient. It wasn't like, you know, because of course in those days, hey, I got a T one to the office for 1000 people you know, that's that's kind of the level of bandwidth that we had. And it worked really well, you could do high, high level quality stuff. And of course, this really only

worked on on Unix computers. So we had, we were Sun Microsystems ad set up for computers, you know, with mirrors, 90s, right mirroring screens, and two projectors, so the audience can see it. And you had all these different universities around the country who were going to pop up on the M bone. And laughing because it's the exact same thing. There's no way to explain this in a way that no people understand. No, no, it What do you mean, there's no way to explain how it

worked? Or no, I mean, like, there's, it's, it's so cut this is trying to say, basically, we were this, we were doing zoom in 1993. Yeah. And it was done to convey that to normies is impossible. Well, you had to and you had to kind of like tell the whole internet, hey, we're gonna do this shit now because, you know, we're the M bone. Because it was a big deal to pump this this

much. And it was color to to pump this much data through. So okay, so now imagine so there's a stage the stage is big enough for a band, you know, it's got the black backdrop. It's got the chrome, flying lights and everything. And you know, it's big and I'm on a on a stage which has got to be about four feet high, maybe higher. And so everything set and I'm on stage and then first thing happens, power goes out and comes back

on. Which of course, every computer rebooted. The whole the whole em bone went down the everything blipped for a second. And then and they had all these very light that everything was resetting and the sound it was a mess, right? Say okay, well, we'll start over an hour. And then we start over and we're and we're doing and I'm ready to present it and I'm I'm stretching time now. Because all those inbound connections we'd

carefully set up for this early version of zoom. Took a little while and I'm stretching on stage and I and I step right off the stage. Oh, no, four feet down. Oh, shoot. And it because they didn't have white tape on the edge of the stage. Right in the pit. Like the you fall into the on the side on the side now and and I was okay. I wasn't hurt. But my pride and my ego was just like this could not get

any worse. Yeah. And then And then also, okay, great. You just showed us what they've been what we've seen on Star Trek since 1966. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah. It's seen that now the word in now in bone is forever associated with body with trauma. Like you carry this it is yes, it is. It is the M bone. Gosh. I wish I wish I could remember some of the people who were doing that and explaining it to me and the time

you had to get on the bone. Like oh, yeah, no, you needed Yeah, you know, I mean, I had a 56k frame relay full time connection in New Jersey, which was fantastic. You know, so I your house. Yeah. Yeah. So I could do a lot of things. It was a my buddies that did Jack's, you know, they were what is, you know, later was sold for billions of dollars. They were above a Chinese restaurant in Virginia somewhere. And they set up mtv.com which was a headless sun

Three server and and a workstation. Yeah. And, and they had all the connections, they were they this is early days of literally streaming the internet together. So they were getting you know, pipes in and they knew all the telco people to talk to and you know, so the guy had to drive from Virginia to my house in Jersey, and he installed a 56k frame relay modem. And then he made some phone calls you know up to the phone line to add an extra phone line put in and then he called somebody

somewhere else and that guy Jack some things in and boom. But this was when we still had 48k modems you know, so I have a 56k dedicated K and the positive but dedicated it stayed on all the time. Yeah, no dial up. Yeah, that's beautiful. We had dual dual ISDN. Top 28 I'm gonna have to top you. So we have to go to the North Pole. Because this is early on ramp my company on ramp

9596 Our client was Molson ice, and Molson ice. We'd come up with a promotion that was it was part of our promotion, the Molson ice cream Polar beach party and there would be a contest and you had to of course had to buy the beer. And then the prize was 100 Prize winners, we'd fly you to the North Pole and there'll be a concert with Metallica and Courtney Love and verruca salt. And we were going to and we were going to cyber cast from the North Pole, cyber, which was basically see you see

me video, right, but okay, cyber cast. And we built what we called the road box, and it was, I think it was 30 48k modems all multiplex together, and then you and then we could pretty much at least get eight or 10 phone lines. So you know, we were just jacking all these phone lines in as many as we could get with extension cords, you know, and and we were able to actually probably think we had like 250k 350k throughput. That is, people do not understand how complicated this

stuff used to be. Wait, because we did the same thing we had multiplex modems for. For some of our road users when I worked at the insurance companies was probably 9596. This is pre ISDN rounds around the same time I was doing it Sure. Yeah. And we'd have we'd have like, four or five multiplex together in order to get as 400 access back and forth between state as 400 was my client, man, we built our website. Yeah. People just don't I mean, like, oh, we had one we had it as

402 Oh, we'll put a web server on it. Run it off of that because of course, you know, you can't have your web server be Microsoft Internet Information Server if your IBM as 400 division. Oh, my God war stories. Hey, listen, what let's move forward in the world of rail, we have gone completely off the rails. Okay, well, so. But ultimately, do you think we are on boarded? Anybody know? Well, the defend magazine defend that this is? Maybe one also. So there's a lady there.

That was she said she I think if I understood it correctly, she said she was in charge of the podcast for Wall Street beds. Oh, really? All right. Nice. Well see. So going back to pod ping. This board meeting, which is a public board meeting for all stakeholders. It's stakeholder capitalism, everybody. Only real, like the real stakeholder capitalism, like the real web three, and not some Silicon Valley crap. Stakeholders is one of those words that just like yes, it drives me up the wall.

So the combo of pod ping with the reason we call it variable, reason variable, raising the reason code reason co raising parameter, reason parameter there you go, which is live. A hosting company contacted me Who, who, now they do streaming. That's their main bread and butter. And they have corporate clients. And interestingly enough, they have radio networks as clients, and they want to do a podcasting companion and business to business. And but also have another property they

own I will have to go unnamed. I'm sorry to be a douche. But I'm not doing an NDA like Todd. No one asked me for that. They're just like, no one cares what curry knows. And in most of this, in this combo, have the ability to signal a live stream, but also podcasts and they have a consumer side as well. And this would be a completely new entrant into the space. And so when they contacted me, you know, I did a little jig and

went, excuse me, can I pitch you on something? What if you came out of the gate as the first hosting company to implement all of the podcasting 2.0 features? And like, what did they what was their response to this? Well, yeah, we love that idea. How do we get started? And so next week, we're setting up a call, don't worry, you'll get a

new get an invite. Hey, since we're talking about that, too, this is something very odd that that I've seen more and more of, and I wanted to know if that's something you see in the corporate world, or just how this is what you're trying to set up an appointment with someone and someone will send you a link to some third party website or app or whatever it is a website scheduling. Yes. And then they give you their you can schedule your own time with them on their calendar on their calendar.

Yeah, that's that's been the thing for a few years. Yeah. Yeah. Which is to me has always been insane because people have wanted it like with our firm and had to go through all All this due diligence to make sure that what they were going to be putting onto the calendar was safe. And I mean, it's, it's kind of a wild west because you have to Oh auth and all this kind of jazz. I was like, I resisted it for a very long time. But no, it's the thing.

I just find it very interesting. It's like, you know, someone contacts me and says, May I have a meeting with you? And then you say, Yes, pick a time. Manage me. Yeah, yeah, that's Calendly I think. Yeah. Calendly. Yeah, that's it. That's, yeah, I know. Maybe I'm old school. But that's a shift in, in social intercourse. It is shifting social intercourse. That very Kokesh actually, down that road. I find that like, it's a you set the calendar and I'll watch it mostly.

Moses did it to me. I thought, wow. Because you know, we're setting up a meeting not in a way, maybe it's like you make everybody else your assistant, I guess. It's to me, it is always been. It's always been kind of crazy. Because it's like, you finally get the inroad as a sales guy, because all this stuff starts with the sales. Sales. Yeah, we need this because we're constantly inputting data and creating calendar events. So I've got an idea. Sales goods, make

them do it. Let's make the, the guy that we just pitched to let's make him do the work. How lazy are they? Well, let me tell you. Okay, well, that's funny. So that so that was, that was kind of exciting. Because that could be a good hybrid. And who knows me there's people are looking for streaming stuff, too. You know, they're looking for options, they are looking for options.

You know, there's a lot of stuff going on with with hosts. I know if two things if this is like the Todd Cochran show, because I can't I can't say anything about it. But I just want to I just want to say though, that in general, that there there are things happening, that are going to be like announced that people are new hosting companies are doing podcasting. 2.0 things. Oh, yes. This is a very good point. Actually. I would say in general, you're more in contact with hosting companies than I

am, which is smart. Because everyone who contacts me I immediately talk about their shit on the show. Yeah, so maybe that's a smart move. But yes, I mean, can you be as as vague as I am about some stuff? Oh, my vagary is level 11? Because I don't I'm not actually. I know, I do know it. I'm just not gonna say it. So. I mean, I just wanted to say that just to know, like, there's no, sometimes it looks like with a project like this, that things

are stagnating. Like with comments or that kind of thing. But that's really not true. It's not nothing is stagnating, it's just that people are off building things. And that is like, like John Spurlock, there seemed to be a stagnation that was happening with comments. And some of that was because John was off writing software and reading specs. And what exactly did he do? Because it looks something like, again, it's all this. This is what I was talking about this energy

that comes and goes and waves. And then is this relate is this kind of like some code, some package you can put into your into your app that will manage part of the activity pub functionality? Yeah, that seems to be exactly what it is. So it, it really seems to be a way to ease adoption for apps nice. And misunder. I was running through the spec this or running through his documentation this morning. I misunderstood part of it. I thought there was a component for us in there for the hosting.

But But no, I read after he said, No, I don't know what you're talking about. Read read through it again, as I understand it, now. It's it's for the apps to be able to allow for posting comments from the app from the app in an easier way. Yeah. So I mean, it's this. This is a pretty he's he is really good at writing these micro services, which allow sort

of gateway functionality. So he you know, he wrote the web sub to pod ping gate website, poppin, gateway, and in this kind of thing, so he, this is going to be a, I think, a valuable service for apps to use. Now the question is in this is what I don't know the answer to yet. Because I've got this stack of paper. The Get up thread on this was 10 miles long as I printed it out, and I'm going to read it this weekend. Is James Crillon had a proposal for in this is a it's similar to

an old proposal. I don't know if it's the same yet or not, but the proposal to create something like podcast comments.org that we would run, which would be sort of like a headless Mastodon or something like that they would host root posts. Now, I don't know if it's exactly the same thing as before, I just

haven't read it. But that there's, there's at least a proposal out there that got some got a lot of good feedback on us hosting some sort of activity pub depository for lack of a better as a mean, like a shim is not as not really a shim, but I don't I liked it. I haven't read through it fully yet, because it's a mile long, and I was deep in hell a pat. So the, the idea is that we would run some sort of thing that some sort of instance where the root

post for a show would live. And then. So I think the concept here and the worry is that we would be the worry with this kind of thing. And it was at the very beginning and Alex case brought this up was that we wouldn't have to then be sucked into moderation of content, which we obviously clearly is a no go, I mean, I'm not doing that. But if we just simply host the root post, and you combine it with mini pub, I think the idea is that the the content would live in a place where the

app could moderate it, rather than us. And the only thing that lives on our site is just the route post. But how does it what is the source of truth for the route post? It would just be the activity pub inbox, you know, for whatever the route post is, whatever it aggregates. See, and this is where I just had to dig in deeper, but like for the same way that I can't post like so if I if I I did the comments post today for the show, right? The one that you're going to put in

and I can't as the post owner, go and delete your reply. I think is an admin could on our on our box. I think if the comment was from our box, no, I am as admin comments on podcast index out social. Yeah, I can delete those. Yeah, but I do it all the time. Just fine. Just just laughs But I can't as the post owner, because I don't I mean, I don't really own the car. I don't know you can delete you can delete an or delete and redraft. Can you not? Yeah. Yeah. As the post owner.

Yes, for my post, but I can't do it. If you reply to my post. I can't modify your reply in any way. Here. No, of course not in the in the thread. It should only be the person who made the route. Book is for my money. I wanted all the sticking, you can't remove it at all. Okay, that's that's the Adam curry way of developing around the problem. That's disaster. That's not but but I know what you will. So the only thing I'm concerned about is Well, exactly what Alex

brought up. So I don't even want to receive a message about it. You know, if if the route posts if there's Okay, so bottom line, I know you haven't read through it now. I can try. We're talking Yeah, we're talking. I'm talking completely out of them. So uncomfortable with this comment. Okay. Oh, please. I'm making you uncomfortable. I don't feel safe. Okay. Well, let me just let me just get it out. And you don't have to answer the question. But ultimately, we hold the power

over deleting that post that root post. And it root Yeah. And it cannot be restored by someone else. If we delete it. Even if that would be that would be my understanding. Yes. Okay. Well, I don't like it. Why don't you? Why don't you like that? Because then we're, we're the source of truth. It's not you know, if if we delete something out of someone's feed on podcast index on the update, it's back again, right? Or it's or it's in the end. Now we become the the bottom of the tree. It's like,

huh, put that shit on the blockchain. Give it give it to Brian of London. Let him figure that out. Well see, I think the idea here and I'm not defending this idea or supporting it. No, I'm just being flipped into. I mean, I have no idea what I'm talking about. This is not a safe space.

Just, we've we're beyond that, Dave. Yes. And I think that the idea here is that this would be a some sort of temporary thing to just get the apps to sort of break the chicken egg dilemma that we would sort of blaze the trail and put in pay A road and any other wonderful metaphor that you can think of to get this thing to exist and then at some point in the future, when they're when adoption, springs forth, then we would stop. That That is my understanding. But

you mean just just like podcast or wallet? Yeah, inserting the value block, which is being done. From coast to coast by kids everywhere now. Yes. Yes, that's right. Okay, so it's the new summer extravaganza. And if we fall down, is there a way for that to be resurrected by others? Maybe, okay, yeah. It just put it on the IPF just put on the IPFS. That works all the time. Oh, yeah. That never crashes? Never crashes. Okay, I'm fine. I'm obviously I'm not, I'm

obviously open, we got it, we got to think about it. It's just I think the and hey, man, I'm with James on let's get this shit done already. Look at the opportunities, the time to move is now I get that and I'm all in on it. But by the same token, you know, I am completely on board with this, you know, however, this is, if people I just hate this is what I get

into? Yeah, I don't know. I don't like to sacrifice to make it easier for people to do. That's if it was, if it was easy, then everyone would do it. And you know, what, we've had a million comments systems, it's never really worked cross platform, because we've never really gone through the hard bit. And I feel right now that we're very close. And we I have no idea what that means. But we need to punch a little bit further. And we're going to have something and I can feel it.

We're very close. We're so much further than we were when we started. But it's really important. Because Because so much can go wrong with comments so much. This is not an easy thing that we're doing. Not easy. So it's worth it to fight through it. Hardest tag we're ever going to do. I can just yeah, that was so much confidence. So it's

okay, you know, it has to be okay. Otherwise, it'll just be another thing that a couple people use, you know, you see the, when you see the how the true openness works of what we've what we've accomplished so far. It's, it makes me want to cry. And when I see pod ping, and again, Brian of London's gonna have it have to have his own plaque. Because it really,

it really is a beautiful creature. And you see, I mean, that is, if anyone just say what what is really podcasting 2.0 That's pod ping, that's that I think it's going to be I've said it before, that is going to be such an important beast than just the just, you know, it's a snake that's a serpent that just will grow and live and everyone contributes to it. And it's just going to be there. And that's the thing and you know, anything

I can tie into that. I believe that will will stay alive. And that's that's where you can get your true decentralization from now, I'm not saying throw the root post on on the on the hive blockchain. But I think we have enough. We have enough of the right energies to come up with a solution. I think I think we're really close to and we just got to get, we've got to get this right. Because it's just, I don't care

if it takes another year. Yeah, it just has to be right. Because if you don't do it, right, and it fails, then you've you've not only wasted everybody's time, but you've also soured the industry on yet another thing, so I just I just as long as it takes, that's fine. As long I just want the end result to be correct. You know, quote, unquote, yeah, yes. And do it the right way in. So I think we don't have a guest next week. So I'm gonna, I will be much better prepared to speak about this next.

Okay, cool. Two other updates for the board. It's personal privilege to speak. recognized. Thank you. Um, again, through this, through this effort, this board meeting, I was contacted by a different hardware manufacturer of fine audio products. Ooh, who approached me with a very direct approach. Hey, wait, we were Hey, hey, it's like LF G. Adam curry signature model. Let's build it. Seriously? Yeah. Right out of the gate. Yeah. Nice. Who is who is it? Yeah, no, no, no, no.

I haven't eaten We're gonna speak next week. So let me the Todd Cochran honorary show. Oh, yeah, totally. I'm not under NDA. I just I don't want to I don't want I don't want anyone else going to them before me, okay? Does it does it come with an is it an Umbral note too? With with not well okay, so they specialize in DSP mixer so digital signal processing so in essence you know mini computers why the hell not? Why the hell not built build the build a

little Umbro? I mean the Omroep poly crappy that's a very cool idea dead Jones I like that we that could be a true all in one box demote it has the little screen it kind of looks like an umbrella already. Just say Yeah. Huh? I mean, this this thing I think this one you think what I have in mind, it's more of a of a brick. And you and you

run it all from the from the computer. So it would have a web server that they're going to take your they're going to take your input and just and build the same and build this thing build it finally build this thing. Yes. And they have DSP modules with modeling and all that you know, so they have and it's all real time. But it just seems like they they're they can quickly put together packages like that's kind of what they

do. So yeah, it's not heard them before but they they work and they do musicians but out of the gate like oh man, I hear you with the game or verse in the podcast or gear. Let's do it Adam curry Signature Edition LF G Okay. It's like you've caught my attention.

Yeah, very cool. We continue to have contact with our on ramp on ramp to Toshi fountain partner did you know this I still don't want to mention who it is did you see their their process graph that that they posted for us to look at how it's supposed to work as I honestly Dave I looked at it and I want my eyes rolled back in my head. It's in the stack okay, it's in this is in the stack of stuff

this will emerge on Sunday night. A new man with much more knowledge than I have right now on many topics. And we need Hey, you know people you need to like we need about $100,000 a year so Dave can leave this job of his to do this full time. Do you imagine how much we can squeeze out of this mofo if we if we have all of his attention squeezed so free pops out the other side. What I what I most admire about you Dave Jones, is how you you

shepherd the project how you your stern yet yet warm. You're able to know you, you you put your foot down when necessary, but even when you put your foot down, it's like, it's like the soft giant with his sandal into the moss. And, and, and, and I really enjoy watching you. You're managing the project overall, because you're you're very good with people. I love you. But you're gonna have to go to your room without supper.

Yeah, kind of like that. No, but it's very, very admirable. It's sadly Of course, that immediately made me think please give me the passwords because if you die, We're so screwed. If I die, it's like okay, smoke my ashes and we're good to go. But you know, we need we needed we needed a disaster plan at this point. I don't care what you do put it in escrow? No, that's my that's my. That's my getting my insurance. I just have this horrible nightmare. Melissa calls me and

I'm like, Oh, crap. And then I'm an okay, you know, let me tell you what the only thing I could think of to do. I mean, obviously, besides calling Eric, you know what I would do? I would call Alex gates. This is my insurance for when you replace me with Alice gates. This is not it? I'm the one that knows the passwords. Can I can I give you $100,000 a year to just give me the password so we feel better about it.

negotiable. Okay. I know because you probably make 250 at that place so I understand the problem. It Yes sir. That's That's funny. We got a blip. Did you see that? Blip? Yeah, we're officially blipped. No a blip what does it blip? It is a Bitcoin lightning improvement proposal. Oh, this is for the TLV record. Yes. Yeah, very cool. V is now an official blip. It's blip number 10. Nice. So this has to go through some formal review process. And

it's done. Oh, we're done that. They did the review process. Yeah. I think Ron Gentry just said, Hey, it's done. Okay. Well, thank you. Ryan. Have you heard from Ryan Gentry? I haven't heard from him a long time. Now. Once you left Austin, he disowned. You know, once he got everything he needed out of us, he dropped us like a hot potato. We were we were the hot chickie of the day. And he's like, Oh, hey, okay, this is great. Let me introduce you to

the team. And then of course, we made fun of the CEO talking like, a million miles an hour and then never heard from Ryan, again. He hates me Come on. I mean, to be fair, his name is rosebay. You kind of take it as kind of the marketing, right? I agree. I agree. Anyway, so yes. So they are serious, they are moving forward. And this would be for, you know, if you want to onboard

someone from the app, from an app, then you would sign up. And that and I think that what they're working on, or what they more or less completed, is that they can do a light KYC. So they can kind of immediately approve you because it all be under you know, whatever. $1,000 or whatever it is, but then they can then we're kind of working on the technical and the flow of dropping the $5 in SATs into that user's wallet who just on

boarded right away. Well, you know, their account and anything they want to do with Bitcoin is processing. Yes, I think what? I seen this before, and I think it was with a game, some sort of lightning based game that may have been. What's the name of that? Does it thunder games? I think that's a lightning based game. Come? Yeah. Yeah. So I think what they've done or if it may have been them, or somebody else is, they've done this progressive KYC it seems to be a thing.

That's, that's acceptable. So it's like, okay, if I'm going to put $10 in this account, then I didn't just an email. It's enough. If I'm going to put a you know, $150 in here, then maybe I'm correct. Yeah, number. Exactly. It's progressive. You're right. Yeah. And if I want to drop five grand in here, you're going to need social security and, and more it just progressed. And if if they're able to get that done, where it's like, okay, well, I mean, it's less than 100 bucks, who

cares? We'll be we can just deal with an email address. That's, that's a biggie, that's a really big help to onboarding if, if they can Okay, it, you know, with their financials, you know, or ties or whatever they're doing that. Yeah, it seems like seems like they're getting positive feedback on that. It makes sense. You know, Eric is laughing right now, because I always say, hey, this makes sense to me. No, yeah. Did you see page 1428 of this bill proposal that came from this douchebag.

All morning, Erica's signal it put no signal? Like these horrible things about Chris like, we're all gonna die. We're all gonna die. We're gonna be poor in jail, or both? Yes. That's what he does. That's what he's supposed to do. I love this job. I love him for it. Yeah, but to me, it makes perfect sense. And I'm sure if I'm just gonna pop five bucks into an account. I mean, really? Do I need to give you like, my blood type? And, I mean, it's, it's five bucks.

But again, remember the first five bucks, you don't have to spend anything? That's your gift from the company? True? Yes. And that's kind of cool. Because I know they'll they'll eventually stop that. I would think maybe, but maybe, but maybe not, you know, if basically, their customer acquisition costs would be $5. In today's world that can be very cheap for a product where someone may be buying hundreds of dollars of Bitcoin. I mean, look at that, compared to customer acquisition costs on

something like Spotify. Oh, yeah. I'm sure that's much higher. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's that's a lot of load right there speaking. Speaking of we see now who, who I'm going to declare my genius that Spotify when I said a few weeks ago that Spotify will never drop Joe Rogan. They can't afford to drop Joe Rogan. He is the most important key to their entire podcasting platform. And you can see that easily by the fact that they kick Neil Young to the curb in a heartbeat

that I thought that was just a comedic move. I thought that was so funny. It was hilarious. Because I mean, so just, just look, it was never even a thing. It was never even a question to say it are we gonna keep Neil Young or Joe Rogan? I mean, Neil Young, he brings in nothing, hardly any revenue to Spotify. They don't make any money very much of their streaming. I don't think I mean, it's like a break even proposition right? I even questioned if New Young owns the Masters so that he

could force Spotify not to make that available. Well, he said that he couldn't when he tried to keep Trump from using rockin in the free world, well, that's, again, different license. It's very complicated, but I have a feeling that that will obviously it's their prerogative to say, Oh, we just don't make it available by Okay,

no problem. I don't think he can force them to do that. But you know, performance versus sync versus physical, there's a whole bunch of different licenses, they in streaming, it's different licenses, depending on the delivery method. Look at who Joe Rogan is for Spotify. He's, he drives say, the key reveal the last couple of days was that Spotify in order to advertise on Joe Rogan show you have to buy advertising

across their entire catalogue. Oh, sure, when he when they have revealed that, that shows you that he is driving all of their podcast advertising, and he's driving new user growth, Neil Young, or any individual music streaming artist isn't doing any of that. So that's not even a that's just a no brainer, more interesting. And that's I played these clips on no agenda is how mainstream can't place it, they can't place the success, how can this podcast have a reported 1011? Whatever,

I'm sure it's a lot. I don't know how many are active, but that's okay. It's clearly more than mainstream shit, my shows do more than mainstream. They just can't, that doesn't compute in their head. And then the fact that, you know, most shows are, you know, very short, very tight, you know, a minute and a half, two minutes, segments, tops, go to commercial break all this stuff. And it turns out people just tired of that shit.

They're just tired of it, thank you to streaming, we don't have interruptive advertising, to think that people will continue to want interruptive advertising or delay, that advertising delays for the instant gratification instant gratification, society that we are, is short sighted people have done with it, you can get so much for free, or you're paying for it in different ways with data, etc. We're way beyond

value for value is move beyond all that. And this clearly people who have who have already seen the light, you know, they're like, Okay, that's a dead end for me, I'm going to go this way. Well did play. Let's see play buzz cast, clip, Buzz cast, decentralized, monetizing one. I mean, who's gonna come out here and say, We're gonna sell podcast monetization for the independent podcaster across all platforms? So maybe that's like, I don't know, it's might be too

big of a question. Or who knows what's happening, I just, I'm getting frustrated at what's happening. Because I don't like the idea of podcasters getting pushed into the silos that it only exposes a portion of their audience, to these monetization opportunities that are built with all these. I mean, they're cool. And there's some great opportunity there. But it feels like, at least in the Spotify world, and the verge article kind of talked about this, like, it doesn't feel like a solution

for podcasting. It feels like a solution for Spotify. And it feels like Spotify is saying, Hey, we're gonna follow like the YouTube model, and YouTube owns the video space online. They help creators make money. But that also comes with a lot of drawbacks. But nobody wants to talk about the drawbacks. They just want to say, what's the easiest way to monetize? And maybe, you know, maybe that's just the way things go. But I kind of hope it doesn't. Like, I kind of hope that somebody

figures out that there is a way to keep podcasting open. And we can monetize based around using RSS as an open protocol. And that's not a bad thing. That's a good thing. And we can have our choice of players. And there is an opportunity for third party app developers to continue to make great podcast listening experiences that can be as wildly different as something like a good pods, or something, you know, like a fountain app.

And we have lots of different opportunities to monetize our show without being locked into a specific platform. Yeah, that's Kevin, Kevin fan from Buzzsprout. And I think that he's he's expressing the frustration of that what he's basically putting, putting some bones to what you just said, which is, there's there seems there's platform dominance, and the platform dominance comes with the drawback of it.

incessant advertising, and the, in order to even get into the advertising game on those platforms in a real way, you have to have at least a certain amount of like downloads. So like, the minimum really bar there is like 10,000 downloads an episode before you can get into selling ads for any in any serious way to make money. So then that leaves up all of let's just say that maybe that's I don't know, the top 5% of shows

if that much, at least 95% of podcasts out in the cold. So but then you take an alternative payment model, like value for value. And I think this is important. It's not just this is not just a rehash of stuff we've said in the past thing is important to know that you can't sustain an audience and a show on 200 listeners, or 200 downloads or whatever you metric you want to use on very small numbers. If you allow them a way to pay you directly in a in app no friction free. It's a superior model.

We have we have many skilled professional writers in in the project in the group. The power of podcasting does not lie with just the hosting companies with just the app companies. The true power of podcasting is the podcasters every single show I

do I am telling people to go to new podcast apps.com. And there's multiple reasons for it. And one reason, which I think is very useful, if you want to educate your clients, your users, your friends, your podcasters is do you want to make sure that you always can listen to this podcast, you must use a modern podcast app. Because that is connected to podcasts index. You could wake up tomorrow using Apple and my show won't be there. What are you going to do? Starts with

that, get them to do that. Ask them to use a new or modern podcast app that will that will protect that relationship you have. And with that come features. So the buzz cast? I don't know what clip to is. First of all, I'd hoped that they would maybe consider using a value block just to kind of show by example, if then, you know, I don't know if that's you think they would? Yeah, I think they would, um, but it's all about educating your users. And of course, you can only educate

them and stuff that you've implemented. So you know, there's yet another chicken in the egg. But people are going to start figuring it out how to do this. And I really love all the people who are hosting companies. I think it's so key. You got to believe it. You know, I know who does and who doesn't believe it because it shows in the code. Yeah. So I just hope we can we can kind of get everybody to move in unison. I think so this is going to it's a little is gonna sound a little

self serving, but play. But I think it's important place Sam said the Adam and Dave are geniuses. I'm getting more and more excited. I have to say I was on with Adam and Dave about a year ago on their show. And I was a little skeptical about value for value. And I was like, Is that the right way? And I didn't really understand about, you know, difference between ECE and SATs and I sort of just decided to get my head into and understand that it's pretty easy

once you do and I think they've picked the right right path. And it seems industry momentum is going their way with lightning networks and SATs and you know Jack Dorsey is well into it. Twitter is and cash app and it's going and I still think he says just yeah, he's well, NF T's are certainly getting a hammering this week. So yeah, I think you know, they've picked the right pony to ride.

I want to say three things about this clip. Number one, clearly what he is expressing is that we're we're geniuses, obviously yes. And I agree. We encourage this type of analysis. Yes. Number two, that screeching high pitch thing you hear in the background that is the sound of of the taint of Australia. That is the Australian tank.

I when I listen to the show, I wanted to see if I could reach James and see if you know he was under attack in something like Invasion of the Body Snatchers. It hasn't like God people are coming they just you know that that sound is in there is that he can he not turn that off? I think I think it does. The decibel level at that frequency destroyed that part of his his his hearing. Like years ago. I've heard it I've heard this before. And I just wonder Is he is he

camping in the outback? You know, is it crickets? I mean, it's fascinating to listen to, but then he fades it up and down. You know, it's like when they're not talking, then he fades it down. And then it's kind of gone. I'm like, I wonder if maybe we just have a during the whole mix, you know, not just when he's talking. This is that is actually the way to cube you know, the Havana syndrome that was delivered. Through pod land podcast,

yeah. Dropping lead the embassy, people are dropping like flies. So the, so that the well, this is great. This is a great example. And I really appreciate what Sam said, but and I know you have a third point. Yeah. This is a perfect example of Bitcoin changes you. That's, that's really kind of the point. I was wondering that. Yeah, you kind of took it out of my mouth. I'm sorry. No, no, no,

no, please. But that's kind of what I was gonna say is that you, it looks when you first hear about it, it looks like internet funny money. Nobody will ever get on board with this. There's, there's so many negatives, that you can immediately look at. But at some point, I think you make this, you have a brain flip. And you flip to, it's really not about those things. It's about this is really the only way forward. It's not about the potential problems. It's about feasible

solutions. And this really is the the only realistic feasible solution for monetizing small podcasts that I can think of, and anybody else can think of. So like that, that's really, that's really where the where the flip happens. But and I think, Well, speaking of Todd Cochran, this is the honorary Todd Cochran show, we, he has now bought an Umbral like, I know, hell is frozen over.

So you get I mean, like this, the the progression here is that eventually you see that this thing, not only can worked, that really kind of is the only way to do it. This and this is has been podcasting since 1.0. It's a

slow grower, it just go slow. And it doesn't matter what what fire you think you could afford, you know, what fuel you can throw on the fire that occurs naturally, this these bumps and these things that happen, and shit happens at exactly, exactly the right time, which is, you know, when preparation meets opportunity, that's my definition of luck. And then oh, crap, and then we can, you know, and so you and I are kind of lightning rods as well, you know, now everyone's becoming

their own, their own lightning rod. was gonna say something about? Yes, so the Lightning Network and what we're doing with podcasting, 2.0 is more examples of but what we're doing is fulfilling the promise of micro payments, the way the promise has not been delivered of your refrigerator, ordering the milk when the carton is almost empty. No one has done that no one has done that. Yes, but we have fulfilled the micro

payment on demand. And the only way it works, and this is the headspace that people are slowly coming into is if you don't make it impossible to get to it if you don't want to pay. Yeah, yeah, we that humanity has shown us that value for value and communicating that message, which is not the same as tip me to ask someone for a tip you're going to get 20% of what you wanted. Think logically. So what was this meal worth to you? I had a meal last night. mussels and clams in this white sauce

with garlic and I I had had two gummies before that. I had my head in the bowl Dave I'm like oh my god. In the bowl, bro and my fingers and Tina was like she was loving it. She's like drink the bowl. Drink it, drink it drink it. I'm like, No, I'm not I'm not an orphan. Yeah. Yes, that's exactly what I was. Anyway, yeah. So that. Yeah. So we're so we're fulfilled. We're fulfilling a promise and it's so exciting. And when people see it

and when they understand it. I'm I am Mo i The most impatient and I've made so many mistakes by being impatient. And I'm still impatient. Again, the gummies help but just slows you down. You know, you don't worry about stuff that much. But look at you are so right man that we are we are growing. We're gaining this adoption. And everything's coming up around us. And this is part of what I love so much about fountain. They're doing promotions, I see it all the time. And they're doing Oh, look

at the top. The top value for value boosters, and it's I love seeing this. We have investments coming into Dare I say the space, the podcasting 2.0 now has investments coming into its its orbit its universe. for app developers, we have you know, stuff is happening. And they're doing it right. Yeah. But I mean, a lot of marketing. Yeah, they actually do marketing. Yes. And I Oh, this is one thing that we heard from Martin. I know he's he's doing other stuff, I think right.

I emailed him the other day. We just had a chat with him. He's doing good. I'm getting this weird blue screen sometimes on pod friend. And yeah, but the reason why I bring it up is because when I share, okay, another way I'd like to I'd like to promote podcast is by sharing it Now honestly, I have to get my pod verse install house in order, because I'm on graphene. Oh, so I don't know, I have like three different things installed. I don't know how that's possible, or three versions installed. It

could be from different app stores. I don't know. I know they have a web version. But when when you have a share this podcast the way pod friend does it. I just love because a little a little play looks like a video. There's a little icon that pops up and you know, little play button triangle. So it's more than just a link. Yeah. It's just a suggestion. Yeah, to drive more adoption that way. But and how does pod just pod verse have a little preview like that?

I don't know. I rarely, like share timestamps when I do not even timestamp just you know, here's our new episode I just want to do and I have no agenda or podcasting. 2.0 I want to tweet that out instead of the episode page. I don't know man. I'm on iPhone. So I don't use pod friend on it very much. Because it's, it's nobody would just send you to the web version. That's my

point. It's just to get people in there just to show people a podcasting 2.0 experience since they're gonna click on the link anyway, I might as well send them to an app or a web version of the app like overcast has that you know, same thing. Yeah. Martin's listening. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure he can do that. I don't think he's listening. Now he is he told me he's not listening. Oh, this clearly he's not listening. You know what? I haven't had a pod friend. Piece of merch in a

while so no, I'm disappointed. He's not. You need a rug. Rug. Or bathrobe maybe a bathroom. Robe. We want to thank some people. Yes, please. This is a very exciting week feels like it's been it's been great stuff. There's so much stuff that happened this week. And Emily, a third of the way through my notes. I think I got to most but yeah, we let's, let's thank people and then do cat and let's talk quickly about cast upon afterwards. Oh, yes. Okay, good. Good.

Good. Good. Good. Good. All right. It's all you baby. What do you mean, I thought we were gonna give the spiel, the spiel. This is a value for value podcast, and but like you gotta do, you gotta do your thing. Oh, you have another sip of coffee. I'm like, What did I lose? I lost the plot. Dave. I tossed it to you. And you know, I fumbled it. I'm so sorry. Yes, this is a value for value project. We've been talking about it throughout the throughout the episode, everything runs because of the

value you send back to us. For its time, talent and treasure, we got a lot of time, a lot of talent. And the treasurer, we're pretty happy, can always be better. We take nothing personally, this is all going mainly into servers and into the liquidity for the node. We're very connected that we actually rank. Another thing they said we're doing another thing counter intuitively, intuitively, where most people want five or six really big channels on the Lightning

Network. We have five or 600 Really small channels. Yes, a great idea. It's really amazing to see how connected this thing is to all these little we're like the freedom raft in in Snow Crash you know and people latch on to our rat with a with a 50 sat 50k sat channel to their lightning node and so that they kind of drifting towards freedom with us. Did you read No crash. You know every time you say Snow Crash I always think Snowpiercer

and I have to talk myself out of it. Yeah, that's not the same thing. Okay, I really can't be friends with you if you don't read Snow Crash. Okay friends don't let your friends not read Snow Crash deal. So we so we love receiving boosts and booster grams. And remember that big number may not be as helpful as you think everyone's getting better though. I like that I like that

a lot. We also have a Fiat fun coupon route which we appreciate very much just what has been keeping us floating podcasts interested or go to the bottom there's a big red donate button for PayPal and other types of methods. And let's thank some of the kind supporters for for this week. We have 134 channels, but I thought we had more than that. Really knows we were 100 That's a lot. Oh my God, that's a lot.

I thought we had more than that so well I already read galer mais boost earlier though, that broke the world. I read that book. So it was 1000 SATs by the way like the Cal a bear. I liked boost. Nice. Do the impulso again I didn't hear though. Oh I'm cool. So there we go. Yeah, impulse saw. That's boosting Italian right in Spanish Spanish. I'm sorry, Booth saw in Barstow. I like how it's kind of gritty because sounds like the broken up mic. Yeah. Like like Spanish radio. Yeah, yeah.

That's a Mexican radio to be specific. $20 we got from Alexander mouth, mouth boob S C H MALFU. And then the, the thing that looks like a bee but it's not Proust. That's it. That's a Ringle s that's pronounced this two s's. Oh, schmo Foose, which means smaller racetrack, which means I think small foot small. Alex has an under smell food. See what they say about members, small foods. He's got he's got small feet, but he's got a big wallet. He

goes, Yeah, he's what he lacks. He standing on his wallet. It makes his feet look huge. Appreciate it. Yes. We get $15 from Samuel Thorpe. And he says a little value for value. Thank you, Adam for pointing me in the right direction gets to get started making a pot making my podcast 2.0 for his sign this fr Samuel and then he sent a follow up note and he said oh, by the way. Fr is fryer. I'm a priest. Oh, what's this podcast? He does not say on here.

Well, that's an outrage. What kind of Hey, bro marketing. 101. Samuel email me again? Yeah, keep it going. Yeah, fryer. fryer. Cool. Cool to Be Fr. Somehow. I know. I wish I could have that. I'm a minister of the Universal Life Church. I am. That's cheating. As you see, I took the test. Wayne Parker from maps.fm gave us $50 You know, we haven't heard from Yeah, I mean, we got our geotag in there. And then he went Thanks, brother. He's 20 bucks. Yeah. 50 bucks. I'm sorry.

Yeah. 50. Yeah, yeah, well, no way to get honestly. Yeah, well, maybe this maybe he's already got stuff implemented and we're not paying attention. We can't see everything. That's true. Yeah, well, yeah. Random apps pop up out of nowhere in breakout. really have no idea that oh, market surfer gave us $50 He says thanks again for this community and a shout out to Sir Alex and Quick Draw McGraw on the SATs. Comics. McGraw. Oh, he's he says, quick, quick drama girl on the SATs

comic book blogger. Oh, is that a Do you think that's a typo or do you think that's a deliberate insult? AutoCorrect. Comic Strip blogger, sincerely, the market surfer. Thank you for the $50 market surfer. Indeed. Yeah. We got some booster grams now. Those were the papers. We got some Mr. Grant. Stephen. Yes. In his 5000 SATs. He says Veldt. We need to smell. Thank you because he likes the svelte talk. C pod. From pod friend I'm thinking this is Martin it is. It is actually. So this is from pod

friend 66,667 says, wow. And he says the neighbor of the boost is that a code? But like the, the mark of the beast? Oh, okay. The neighbor of the moose. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Martin. Appreciate it Mitzi. He does live he's alive. I know and Liz busting his chops, but I wouldn't mind the bathroom Kyron for the mere mortals podcast. Fountain, he sent it through town. He says one set Oh in Booth saw. He said he says lol trying out the mythical one set loose bombshell? Podcasting?

2.0 But guessing 2.0 will be set back 100 years if Oscar starts allowing microset boosts Yeah, and Jay I saw James Cleveland send us a one set boost. Yeah, what is this but that was that was that wasn't by accident. That was just the value he put in. I'll give them one. She won SATs whatever that is. No, he's gonna be way more insulted by that horrible accident then it would be about anything else. Gas peatland gas Pelland gave us 3300 sets through fountain he says What a show thanks.

Oh my gosh pay loans. Pay look now you're saying it different than I'm says Cast cast pay long is it? Yeah, but you know, knowing costs. You probably would like your pronunciation better. The land. Yeah, much better. From horn loaded cost. I call them cost cheese case. Sorry. Case. It's k E S right? Okay, a he is cost paydayloans cheese head okay. Cheese. Oh my gosh. It must be a pseudonym.

Oh, so like the whisk if you're with Wisconsin you're a cheese head so that's kind of the definitely okay gospel is what they say in Holland cheese had Costco Costco horn loaded says 3330 sets through fountain wow he says value for value sir Doug Thank you sir. Doug.

Thank you, sir. Oh, now here's a follow up from I did want to mention you know for these booster grams to a lot of I'm not sure which apps what they send your username which is I Kristen could be a bit of a security risk I'm just I'm just letting people know so if you if you put your your real name

whatever alias you want right up front or something? If you don't want us to use that and also like horn loaded I mean, you know this could be the guy's like Pornhub log in and we're just saying on every single show and it's supposed to be served dog you know ready to go for when for when only fans goes value for values.

Mere Mortals podcast Karen down. He gave us 100 sets and he says tried it at 110 And now 100 says for a laugh looks like Oscar fix those mini boosts if the other if those other two didn't come through? Nope. They came through buddy. Thank you, Carrie. See, oh, here's a mirror more here's a car and make doing a doing a data flow through here we get 771 71 sat down and he says, well you're making moves with the onboarding. Love to hear it.

plenty of ways to get SATs here in Australia but all involve annoying KYC I think you're going to be stuck with that you could mine Hey, I almost have 100,000 Satoshis. Really? Yes, that's pretty good. When like double time Well, it's been really interesting. And you know, the mempool has been empty a bit lately. And and so my hash

rate is gone to like sometimes peaks at 13 Tera. Hash and and the luck factor of slush pool which is what I what I'm using has often been 140 150% for the most recent 10 blocks or even 200 blocks. I love slush pool they were always my mining pool and they I just like their setup and the way they seem like really upstanding dudes Yeah, I mean I'm I'm literally even at these prices printing money.

Yeah, so good. You just run a miner Karen Yeah, I don't know what the I don't know what the electricity costs are in Australia. But I mean, you would think they would be yeah these days if you if you're paying. Of course I'm not sure. I don't want it isn't dollar reduced. But I think if you even attend 10 cents a kilowatt hour with all the regulatory fees and all that shit on top. I you still profitable? Yeah, well there you go with another tip.

But okay, but who cares? I mean so who gives a shit even if you're not profitable? You got your Satoshis Yeah, they're there yes like buying them one for one almost. Hey, I was wondering if you could give a mini run through some time of the equipment needed and processes to use Hello Pat sort of the basics rules of thumb Best Practices etc I'm at the point where I'll take the node plunge in. If near zero coding skill is required. I would say it is zero coding

skill. Yeah, I installed it on I had a Surface Pro six I was going to use for something else now. I love installing Linux on it and I just put Ubuntu on it. Although I'm a Linux Mint guy. And I was really simple to install and it just in yet I have a external terabyte hard drive connected through USB C I guess. Um, and it just works. Is it Bitcoin machines? Calm Is that Yeah, and I have mine still on order. I mean, I know people ordered

around the same time the order received it. I've a feeling I thought let me just get the orange one even though I don't orange is not my color or anything but I thought Bitcoin be fun to have and just have this orange thing sitting in my server, my server rack. I think I've seen a lot of people when got the orange one is literally taking longer, like oh, yeah, I want to orange one. I can't see it here. This is the Bitcoin machines.com Yeah, I think that that's where you ordered yours. Right?

Yes. And yes. And you know, and the Umbra I really I love the Umbral concept. It's very comfortable to use, and you know, the App Store. I think that's where this is going to be a very, very exciting platform for a lot of things. I love the open the next cloud, which I already have in my life, but I just, you know, set up an install install the app from you know, it was easy, and because it's over Tor you know, you don't have to, people have to mess with shit.

Now, now the, if you if you buy one of these the premade one they're like, they're like 400 bucks. 400 bucks. Yeah, but if you if you just want to roll your own, just get an old laptop with a band put stick a big hard drive in it or Yeah, and I would do that way before you mess with the Raspberry Pi unless you're comfortable with command line and and you got you got that little Mini and Mini HDMI so you can connect a monitor when it boots up headless, which no one ever has, of course.

I totally agree at that thing. I think grabbing an old laptop or something is the way to go or a desktop. Yep. Yep. So we got Nomad Joe gave us 500 SATs. And he says by the dip. Well, you gave us you gave us some stats. That's the same thing. We appreciate it. And it's called boosting the dip. That's right, boosted it McCarron. You install the umbrella and then you just go to the app the Umbral App Store and install Hello, Pat. Hello, Pat part is is super simple. It's

not it's not hard at all. There's no code involved in any of this. Cool, McCormick gave us three 333 sets. He says I'm all in on podcasting 2.0 and Bitcoin better systems for money and engaging with content. And welcome thank you. Be mozzie brown mozzie gave us 2222 Row ducks. Oh, I was waiting for the ducks thank goodness and he says overcast boost, but I don't know what he means. Overcast, boost. Overcast. Maybe he's just looking. Maybe trying

to send signals. Back again, me mozzie gives 10,000 SATs and he says Don't just stand there most boosters they're up here's Karen's 10 sat boost testing says same same message we got it caring about never misses a boost clearly. Oh this name oh my goodness. Let's see did the cat the cat crab cropped Dick gruelling van de trop to got crab the cola from the drop crotch. Yes, there was the the cut cut was the third word.

Kr abt Yeah. D Yeah in a o l e n k r u ll e n. O the cat is scratching the curls of the bear the banister then the trap. Yeah, the A and D of the stairs. It's what Yeah, it's a it's a Dutch saying that I honestly I can't explain what it means. It says that was the Dutch pronunciation lesson for today. Okay, and that's 14,888 sets. Second dicots corrupt de Crillon the curling London trap when I've heard this saying but I really don't know what it means.

Is a cat scratch in the stairs? Yeah. And so is this basis what happens when I you know what I think this is? Okay. It worked. It's really just a tongue twister. It's an old school Dutch tongue twister. A kind of like She sells seashells by the seashore. Okay. The crowds interest. Okay, so if you say it fast, the cut cut up the crew from the from the truck. Yeah, it's hard to say fast. Alright. Hey, you know, that was how many how many sites? Was that boost? 14,888

Okay, worth the time. Thank you. Yeah, that was great. You waste our time. Anytime like that. Good value. Good value. Good value. Thank you. That was from Hank. Hank dev Reese kissed Hank Hank the freezer. Okay. Okay. Man, you just put it yeah, now they're just doing stuff like hey, this is Ben Dover. Yeah, it's like trying to get let's let's get the this the southerner from Alabama to try to pronounce this crazy stuff. I see. I see what's going on. Oh, Oscar marry 770 7777

Oh, hold on. Is that the big baller for this week? Yes, it is. Shot Carla 20 Blaze Whoa that's the Ride the Lightning boosts baby nice i like that. Yeah, that's that's for special occasions boosting the dip once that booster annoying to read but still cool. You can just send one Yeah, but we don't recommend it. Thank you Oscar. Appreciate it buddy. The the monkey back again. 5000 SATs through fountain he says again Don't just stand there boost boost everything everywhere up this

Gary aren't he sends a row since 4444 sets. He says podcasting 2.0 Is the podcast always listened to first when it is in my queue learn something new every day Gary aren't? Well there you go these promoting his own show. He says something new learn something new every day. Ah, cool. Excellent. That's all my short list. Now it took me a while to warm up to it because I don't. I'm not really a daily podcast kind of guy. But, but it's now I now listen to that show every single day.

And it's really good in that it helped me psychologically knowing that he has an unreal now and every time and when I boost him he can see what I'm saying. Like, I know there's a feedback loop now. So oh, it makes me want to listen to the show so that I can give him you know, my pithy and witty

statements. Arrow statica in the corner of Musa Graham since 2376 SATs and he says through fountain he says true pepper true preppers stockpile podcasts Well, the the umbrella is going to become the the prepping device of preference. I can guarantee you that your own

bank. Mm hmm. And well or maybe it's just maybe it's your Adam curry pod father signature all in one podcasting universe, which includes Umbral includes hosting includes, you know, white labeled apps MK Ultra and hot pink so that you can go live at any time comes with Casta pod. Yep, Casta pod should be on Umbral. Yes End of story. Just containerize that that mofo put it into Umbral and have a way for me to FTP my file out to somewhere else. They'll be gone done and done and gone. Period.

Scott gave us 20,420 SATs through fountain he says the rest of the resurrection of cannabis be calm is coming along well. Is there anyone out there with a TLDR for podcasting 2.0 using WordPress blueberry hosting, and their PowerPress plugin. If anyone is using this setup, let's connect email me at Scott at cannabis be.com Cannabis that is singular, B, C A N N A bis be

cannabis bebes B. All right. Yes. Excellent. Yeah. Right, right on right on someone's aerostatic back again with 2376. And he says go podcasting. Oh, yeah, man, thank you very much. We'd like to go go podcast aerostatic again with 2376 and he says, Wait, are we talking about booster poops now? Yes. Boost. Boost. Boost. James Krillin one sat. big spender. Hey, big spender. Yes? Are you James How you doing booster? Thanks, is sending just

one sad thing now. Cool. I'm down with this. Yeah, but you are always a Brit. You can pretend with this fancy Australian passport. We are on to you. If you walk into the pub and offer one set, they just let you smell a beer. You can't even drink. I think they would kick you out. Yeah, they wouldn't. That's an insult. Comic Strip blogger. Uh huh. He right. You're right. He's the delimiter. This is the

last one in this. In 1000, the 33 says through pot friend and he says greetings to Dave J. And Adam C. Thank you for your service to podcasting. And you're invited to listen to our podcast about artificial intelligence and titled AI cooking. Read by former BBC actor Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent yo. So he he's got a whole marketing campaign. And so he does that with curry in the keepers. Same thing again, same delimiter for us. You do it. It's fair. And but it's also it's very nice

language. We invite you, we invite you to listen to our podcast, let's pay that's value for value right there. It's just you've been invited. It's like, boy, any and it's just the right amount that we don't feel bad about and just the right amount of words that we don't feel bad about reading it every single time. If it was less, I'd be like, skip around. The only problem with this technique, though, is that everybody knows that vampires can't actually enter your home

unless you invite them. If you spread this out globally, across all the podcast apps, you're just looking for trouble. You've completely screwed yourself. Yes. mclees. Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. Michael Gagan $5 Charles current $5 Sean McCune $20 James Sullivan $10 Caught corn got blood. Blood back. How do you spell that? Hi, spell that last name. I did this last week. Okay. Oh, en. And then gl OTZV. Ach. Yeah. Cool. Cool. Cool. And then God bless back.

I guess. Okay. I don't know this one. That's not That's not Dutch. That's maybe Scandinavian. He gave us five bucks. Thank you. Yeah, he's from I think he's from Anthony bod. Pod news. dotnet. Hey, 50 bucks. Oh, Jane. Okay, that makes up for the SAT. James? Thanks, James. Jordan dunville $10 Stu coats $6.66 The monthly dose of evil. Yes, strips got 15 bucks. Thanks, Dr.

Michael. Michael Kimmer $5.33 Jeff Miller $20 Lesley Martin $2 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro gone calvus $5 That's our monthly excellent everybody thank you all so much. Remember to put the podcasting 2.0 project in your will along with your passwords

yes no sorry. cast upon yes cast apod cast bot is awesome and it's now in beta and I for for the show see me for the slide deck that I prepared for the dismiss the defense thing I had created a dummy shows that I could walk them through how to set everything up you know, yeah. And I created the dummy show on cast upon and it is fantastic. It's really really good. Like all the bugs that we had during the Alpha stuff I don't they're all gone does it do import?

I haven't tried to import I just created a fake was like during the during the Alpha couldn't even create a new show. It was this is this is why we we never adopted it because we couldn't do an import of the existing FIA. But I don't know about import yet. But if it's the quality of the same as of the rest of it, then I'm assuming it worse because it's, I can't wait. Fantastic. But I but I, what I really, really,

really would love is if it were on Umbral. Is that possible, because I know you have to do cPanel or some stuff like that. I mean, it's no, no, it's very doable, because it's just a PHP app. And then there's, there's Docker based images for PHP all over the place. Now, it's very doable. So could I run it? Can I just install it easily? I look, I look, I saw setup document and I saw like, SQL database, I'm like, nope.

Yeah, well, that was a good call, but that they, you know, as far as putting it in an Umbral Docker, though that's

very easy to do. I would think I mean, so the the cool the best thing about Casta pod is that it it's like activity Pub is like a first class citizen inside of it Yes, I know this is this is all the stuff that I love and I know that this has been there you know the this is in fact proof proof to socialism work sometimes sometimes like to qualify this is proof absolute proof undeniable that socialism worse sometimes maybe yeah, no. So here it is socialism is socialism at work

the community of I looked it up even NL net is is sponsored and no matter good people from Holland, you know, a bunch of commies, but I'm just kidding. These these are very appropriate appropriate organizations. And it's I love socialism. I just don't want to eat their food. Steak sucks. Yeah. Okay, congratulations, Benjamin and and team I should say, even Benjamin's daughter who's been touching into integral part of, of the development process. You

know, you her feed is for her poetry. I think it is. Story poetry. Mm. Yeah. Her podcast he uses that as a test Yeah, all the time. Yeah, yeah. Band in your scene. Yeah, Congrats, man. Y'all. This is a fantastic product. It really is. You get an umbrella and I can open the universe for you. Yeah, well, I gotta get back to work man. So we saw I was having a good time I was just chatting like I like this is nice when Dave doesn't work it's cool. Don't worry. All

right, brother. Anything else anything you need from me for this for this weekend? No, I'm good. I'm good. I got a lot of reading to do get to catch up with was with non hella bad things. yowzers All right, everybody. That concludes the board meeting for podcasting 2.0 For this week, looking forward to seeing everybody back next week and of course on podcast index dot social sign up it's free. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast. For more information.