Episode 68: Mind the Gap!

podcasting 2.0 for December 31 2021, episode 68 Mind the Gap as right the very last meeting of the Board for 2021 for podcasting 2.0 That's everything about podcasting index.org all the latest happenings with the podcast namespace and of course the genius work that is taking place at podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Hill Country Texas and Alabama ladies Look at that smile my friend on the other end Mr. Dave Jones

so much for the Bitcoin to 100,000 by the end of the year for ELA how terrible does that look? Well it's funny you say that um wow, that was abrupt. Nice fade out occurring Yeah, well just want to write blouse Fade to black. Hey look, if you can't cover it up, turn it up right with the guitar player for promise used to say said if you ever mess up do it two or three more times, you know think you meant to? It's exactly right. I heard it from a good guitar player as

well. Yes. As you can if you can't cover it up, turn it up. I wish it was the my buddy who's Chief Financial Officer of Marvel Entertainment. Not the movie side. But you know the interestingly the NFT side and the nifty Oh yeah. Oh, they're they did NF T's. But I can't he told me how much they're making a week. I can't divulge that. It's crazy. We'll talk about we're gonna world has gone into the I know we promised to talk about NF T's we'll get

there. Anyway, he's saying hey, man, cuz he's really good guys. But he's, I think he's really he's obviously very smart. But he comes across as kind of like, I don't know, you know, kinda like a dumb guy, but he's not like, stealthy you know, he's still hustler. He's a hustler, huh yeah, that's possible. He's very I don't know but this game of pool Exactly. And but he's he's very giving with his information his knowledge his stories, but he's very quiet guys always listening

Oh, you can tell he's always sucking up the information. So he's been following podcasting 2.0 and lightning and and what we're doing obviously, and Bitcoin he says, you know, so why is Bitcoin going down? And, you know, I thought about it for a second. I said, well, first of all, there's no unlike Wall Street, there's no circuit breakers. When it goes crazy one way or the other. No one's there to intervene and stop so Oh, there's just handlebars, you just hang on these straps.

Oh, Jesus. Oh, geez. Here we go. And to whenever I see as in the past two weeks, pundit after pundit coming on CNBC and ever all bitcoins gonna go to 100,000 before the end of the year, you know, that's the setup is just always like, Oh, it's what was the El Salvador El Salvador tomorrow? It's gonna be legal currency. It's gonna go to the moon. Yes, like the oil it's gonna get $100 a barrel. It's like oh, well, here we go. Yes. Get ready to sell your oil because it's

about to tank. Yeah. So that's now is there any reason for not to spike now of course. I mean, you know, if you look at the chart, I am a Technical Analyst when it comes to this kind of stuff. You're classically trained in the jack Ponty day trading scheme. We have had consistent three weeks of higher highs, higher lows. So you know, the trend is there. And what are looking at the Fibonacci. Oh, yeah, I'm all about the, you know, all the shoulders you know, Fibonacci,

Fibonacci time timeframes, that kind of stuff. I love that shit cup and handle. Those are patterns. I'm much more on the podcast, I've forgotten all the names but all those individual models that show you know trailing indicators as a couple of leading Well, I used to do all that shit and I was really good at it. Except I would I would choke does okay. I

wouldn't really handle the press you know? It's like I could do it with like 500 bucks 1000 bucks maybe like okay, you know what I was like dude, you want to make $100,000 today so yeah, okay, do it with the $10,000 like your hair your your fingers hover and I could not and I couldn't do it and I couldn't see straight that and to fund that that stuff and I did make money but you know not not like a hell of a lot because I just didn't have the balls I

that's what I sold my 65 Bitcoin to learn how to do that is the most expensive stupid lesson I've ever ever invested in. Yeah, I'm gonna take a ticket options course. Bitcoin as always, I always love those guys are like, Yeah, I went to option you know, to learn how to do options. That's where you can make all the money I'm like, dude, You're about to get so fried. Oh, yeah. So many of my friends are now you can see them slowly starting to get more interest. Like even the former New York

banker, me sending me articles on lightning. How there's Well, yeah, this so there's all and people just see that just more interested now they're more interested and they want to know what's going on they'd like, you know, no one really understands why is Bitcoin better than Aetherium? You know, actually, before we continue, I want to say, Okay, now what the heck great job Gigi, did you read his article on? Value for value? Oh

my god. Yeah. That was it when that guy when that guy breaks out the keyboard and starts writing, it's always gonna be good. Yeah. Just know. He just knows it. What does he What does his background? I know you talked to him, but I can't remember. I can't remember what it was a software engineer who's not anonymous? I think so. But he's an anonymous Bitcoin guy. And he takes his eminent anonymity very seriously. So I think like when he was on that show with Jordan Peterson, he,

you know, had his face covered and everything. I mean, I think he's, I don't know, the FBI knows exactly who he is. But he knows his stuff to great guy to have talked to him personally a few times with helping when he helped out with the value for value spec, and doing document review and that kind of thing. And, by the way, if I sound like I'm new film sound sound like a minute can I'm sick again, again. So that's, I woke up with a fever this morning. Have this anyway, that's it that

I need. I need to get better partners. I mean, he's just lately, I've got one who was too old, you know, I got one who's just sick. You got tinycam? On one? Yeah, okay. In a Joe Biden. On the other side, the the title of the article is, and I have a link in the show notes, the freedom of value, how value for value fixes the

monetization of information. And I took two quotes from it. One is actually this is this is the one I tweeted this free speech platforms cannot exist, only free speech protocols can exist. Yes. Hello, I fully agree with that, of course, that's the thing. So thinking about Alex gates, people misunderstand him a lot on the forum. Because the what he's has been preaching the whole time is protocols, not products. Because the protocol is where the is where the the, the freedom and the design, sort

of meat. You can't take. You can anybody can make products, no come and go. But the protocols we can see with local RSS, OPML, all the web, all the open web protocols, activity, pub, they all live forever. And that's where if you create if you design a good protocol, and it doesn't mean that you're always going to be right, I mean, people are gonna make are gonna

design protocols they think are great, they're gonna fail. But if you just focus on that as your as your goal as designing the protocol, then as being open, free, decentralized, all these all these things. That's where the magic happens. Yeah. Yeah, it's so he makes he makes that case. He makes that case very well. And in this articles, what Bitcoin is, yeah, I mean, yeah. And I think that article will help, we'll help a lot of people.

To you, I think it's a maximum it's amino to max Hillebrand moment where you just need somebody that really knows how to speak to really knows how to speak to, to the simple aspect of the thing. Like I don't like saying simplify it because it makes it sound like people are too stupid to understand it. But it is actually a fairly simple thing. But you need somebody who can get to the simple parts and pull those out and make those the main focus that he's good at.

Yeah. And so well, there's two parts to add the value for value, which I think Gigi really explains well. And then the tech technical implementation we're looking at with podcasting 2.0 it last night teen and it is a very Texas thing. And it was of course a Texas boy who forced us into it and man am I happy Sir Mark Hall? Who's Who's I think he's from East Texas, originally, Houston. 15 minutes from our house is the hilltop cafe. which like I said, that's a good that's a good name.

Have you ever heard of this of this joint? No. So the hilltop Cafe is owned by us guys at Johnny's name and Johnny's like the old blues music musician, you know, early 70s Probably. It's been there. It's Roadhouse. It's, it's on i It's on 87. It's totally eroded. House, they have a fantastic kitchen and a stage. And last night we went there. They have seating for about 50

people, you know, just just a regular play very good food. I mean they even see me serving eschar go, which is like eschar goes that snails was that plant class in Texas. Roadhouse food. Yeah. And it was a classic. Yes. And it was all local people. And Jimmy Vaughn played. And oh, 50 people, Dave, it and Jimmy Vaughn just hit 70. But you know, there's a house band is there and Johnny's plan, and they did probably do a two hour set is just phenomenal. And here's Jimmy Vaughn and Johnny

and they bring out the tip jar. And I'm thinking and of course everyone's you know, stacking this thing. Like, oh my god with this, we are so so ready to do this when guys like that, to understand that value. And the people in the audience understand that value and don't think Oh, Jimmy Vaughn doesn't need my money. You know, all these I just wanted to, you know, spray SATs all over. I'm like, Come on, man. We can do better than this. We could do better than that jar. This cash

thing is no good anymore. It's not working for us. It's just the world is primed for this, then, you know with Abel Kirby in the house about a year do two words. Mmm, no. Four. Go for it. Go for it. Abel in the wolf. If you haven't, yeah, look, look it up on a podcast app, new pod on a new podcast app and listen to that thing. I mean, that's just, that's going straight to the straight to the direct to the listener. There's nothing in

between. And there's no there's no label, there's no publisher. It's just straight night. Here's, here's the music. It's done. And here you can have it. If you like it, give me some value. Right. So pure. It's just like the Jimmy Vaughn. Yeah, passing the bucket around. Just I mean, I'm gonna play for you. You don't have to give me any, any, any money. But if you

don't, you know, why wouldn't you? What I really appreciate about the Abel and Abel in the wolf calm about the project is that they, you know, they explain value for value. And they need to go into their own version of it, which is perfect. And how you can get into it and why and what to do. And they have splits. They have individual splits. Yeah, they do. Right? They got sir Spencer, Abel Kirby, it's split up, which is an LS interesting. I was just looking at the feed here. And in

the role, or the person tag. Group equals writing role equal songwriter about that. Is that Yeah, I didn't know that was in there. That's part of this podcast taxonomy. I love this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's the that's that magic, the magic of marrying the taxonomy project to the person tag. Beautifully seamless. Beautiful. I mean, literally, they you can think about it that way you could suck. That's this stuff right

into a man. I know. This is not a movie. If it was a documentary, you could suck that stuff right into IMDB. Yeah. So I was talking to Mark he, you know, he's graciously given us his killing Ed documentary for podcasting. 2.0. And we're gonna we're gonna get there. I mean, it's there. He's ready to go and promote once apps can understand it. And you know, we're a little bit further down the road. But he's saying the same thing. Medium. Yeah, the medium tech. Exactly. He's

saying the same thing. So I really see this Adam, I see that really working there is no, there is no outlet. He was a key, of course, he's a film guy. And he says, Netflix is going to spend 66 $0 billion on content this year, Amazon will spend $30 billion on content. And none of its going to go towards you know, these types of projects. They have a substantial documentary budget, but it's gonna be you know, Lady die,

Unabomber, that kind of stuff. You know, it's not necessarily a little more esoteric, or much more niche, and they can't, but they can't even get on the platform. Amazon won't even talk to someone like that. Yeah, whatever. And they take 70% It's the whole thing is a ripoff. So they're probably talking, I was talking to a buddy of mine who does he invests in documentaries, and they're doing a few and he was saying that for every documentary, and they have to make this decision, whether

they're going to go shop it to Netflix, yeah. Or whether they're gonna do it themselves. So like, if you shop it to Netflix, you sort of like there's a bank of money there that you can just get paid, but it's just a one time upfront payment. You're essentially selling your product to them.

But the you know, versus a traditional, you know, more keeping your ownership and having those perpetual vos royalties or whatever come in on I'm not sure how that works, but, like, that's the decision you have to make can't do I trust. They're there. They're gonna give you it's sort of like a guaranteed thing on the on the Netflix Amazon prompts versus you taking a risk, and give you know, and doing it yourself and make it potentially making more money but potentially not making

any money. It's like this Devil's bargain, that happens now. And I realized, as I'm talking to Mark, and as I'm seeing a bull in the wolf, you know, we have a problem. That is a real showstopper for this type of progression. But also, the

opportunity is obvious. And as long as we are podcast index.org, as long as you come to anything we're doing and you're seeing podcast, it will be it's very unlikely that musicians will see the opportunity immediately or that documentarians will say, Oh, okay, so I can do this for video, too. I mean, it's, when you call something like the index, podcast index, people just not thinking of this as a place where music goes, necessarily so that it's a

marketing problem. It's, it's deeply embedded, we'll never get out of it. However, I was listening to the the Buzzsprout show their best guest, the buzz cast, thank you. And they were talking about one person who was on the show had made his own directory, a niche directory of podcasts, it was some certain

type of Christianity category. And, and as I'm listening to that, I'm thinking, what an opportunity for the non app developers who were part of podcast in 2.0, and sniffing around and look and look on what's going on, to build a different front end to the index, just for music, just from music, make it kind of understandable show some things. You know, that's a starting point, we have the Steven B is now taking the RSS generator out of curio caster it standalone.

So that could easily be trans Morga modified into an album uploader? You know, I'm saying so we need to just break if someone's serious about it, if we break away, and by the way, if you build that directory, you should get a cut. That's yeah, that's the beauty of it. So this is not a futile philanthropic mission, this, this could be an actual business. And then why wouldn't you? If you own the directory? Why wouldn't you talk to musicians about placement and highlights and promotions is all

kinds of stuff that can be done. But someone had and I presume that can be done right? Can't take someone just build a different front end onto the back end of the index? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Somebody had posted that the other day that they were wishing that was a G Potter, they were complaining about the G Potter directory and how it's kind of poor quality. I don't know anything about it, but I'm just

trusting what they said. And they posted that they would really, really wish that G Potter would just suck in the index. And and start using that instead. And just curate it down

to whatever they want. But But start with a clean you know, quote unquote, clean you know, database and I think that applies to lots of people and just take if we give enough filter filterable criteria you know, we've already got things we've got everything in there the light you know, language did we ever write down to songwriter Hello, we got all kinds of stuff in there oh is so many filterable Things You Can you should just be able to add the more we add to it once we get medium tag in there

and that kind of thing. And that that was something I had discussed on podcast index social the other day it was I was saying well maybe what I should do is when I put the medium tag into the ingestion that it should should put in there some sort of default rules that are like okay, if it comes from Librivox go ahead and and medium tag it with audio book or in you know, if it comes from I don't know, I'm I'd have to think through these possibilities in the in the the,

the mastodon would have to help come up with some rules, but you get the idea that you're just sort of pre tagging a lot of stuff, same way we did with guid where you go and pre generate some of these some of this tag content. And then you know, if the feed adds itself, you know, it's the source of truth and you just override it. But I mean, if we did that, because there's clearly some some things that are going to be known. I mean, Librivox only accepts audio books, right? So you can go

ahead and safely tag those. Yeah. And once you start doing that, if you have a you can you can eat even take submissions in a roundabout way, but you could take submissions into the index through through popping. Oh, yeah. I mean, just, we don't Yeah, you don't have to. It's just it's, I can see it in front of me. You know, it's like, it's very much like, twice a week. Hey, man, I love what you're doing with podcasting. 2.0 via files. Well, I got about

why did you choose the lightning? Not bar car? Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah. And, um, to my answer is good. Where the East developers is there you can implement it today. We'll support anything you need. We chose the Lightning Network because we're two people that believe in Bitcoin. There's got to be lots of other people that believe in other stuff out there. Yeah, open protocols do it yourself. And even a lot of Og I know you're a maxi but a lot of Og

Bitcoiners are really into eath. That's a sure that's fine. Whatever. That's, that's totally cool. Where are they? Where's everyone with this with a big mouth? Oh, eath is better. Well, then do it? Why aren't you doing it? Maybe it's not better. Maybe you haven't figured it out? Maybe it's just not true. I don't know. What maybe gas fees make it complicated. And by the way, we have hive it works. You can implement I mean hive is I was my initial inclination is to say that sounds like it might be

harder than Aetherium. To implement. Just a lot of talk people a lot of talk. Less talk more action. Yes. cheap, cheap bastards. I talk's cheap. If I were able in the wolf, which I'm not, and they're tired, they're Yeah, they just did the album. They just did the tour. You know, they're taking a little break now watch the SATs roll in. I'd be thinking about my own directory, I'd be thinking about creating one, they have all the

experience now. They went through all the pain, learned all the ups and downs, wrote it all out built a website, you've got a template, brother, brothers, I would love to get an update from them on what their income is. Now it's going well, I see routing going on. So I know they're getting SATs because I see it in the daily report of our node. So goes through our node to there sometimes. So I do see that. By the way, but what happened with LM pay? Did that just auto close a channel?

Yeah, that was cool. So so I kind of manage our node. Which means you just it's kind of manage it you do. I do fully manage it. It's a living breathing thing. And we've taken and we've proven something without even having set out to prove something. We were a little piece of shit. No, no, no, no, no, no, not important type node, not enough money, everything but no big channel bag, Mambo, Mambo, Mambo channel word it my favorite word in Bitcoin

one bow. And so instead of having, you know, 10, big, massive channels, we have several 100. Now, several 100 small, smaller channels. And as it turns out, it's working this, you know, now that the the network itself is a little better, we become part of routing, you know, there's also multi path routing going on. And we're, we're a player, we're an

actual player for smaller amounts. And because of the the nature of how the graph works, it's often just more efficient to run it through, you know, people that we're connected to. So Alice is a good thing. We got a big node. So Ellen pay is very important important. A because so many wallets are hosted there. V LN PE has a huge, a huge pipe to breeze. Yeah, that's a main thoroughfare, right. In the beginning, it was we were

seeing, I was seeing Brees payments stack up. Because the fee would just be too high for the app to send something and I looked at the routes and like, holy crap, what's going on? Because we were really still, you know, the little little boys playing off in their own little spider web shit that no one was really into, or didn't have enough liquidity. And so you know, so now we have that beautiful hop from Ellen pay. So that's all taken care of now actually, what if you look at

that? Is it to go podcasting.org I think go podcast. That's the graph. Visualization go podcasting.org Let me see if it still works. Yeah, there it is. Yeah, the the cheese the cheese. Cheese or cheese robot. Yeah. I mean, the the podcasting cloud is just unbelievable. Though it's huge. It's beautiful to see. This is a gorgeous graph and looked at this in a while. You're looking at it now I'm looking at it. Now. It's like where are we? You can do a

CTRL F and do podcasting can search. Yeah, where are we now? Podcast? Index. Here we are. Man look. Yeah, that's so cool. Isn't that beautiful? That's such a cool graph. There's a there's alien pay and then ACR breeze is connected to them. Mm hmm. Yet they channel. So yeah, that's a critical that's that that stuff in the middle there. That's that's critical infrastructure right there for getting getting things routed

quickly. Yeah. And so I see this tremendous opportunity. We talk about it and God bless people like Mark Hall and Abel Kirby and Sir Spencer for for doing this. Now we've got to move it to the next level, we need to have different entry points it will never work with with a podcasting front end, it just won't. And and it's completely doable. tie into it, because we have so many web developers, web developers, this lot more web developers and app developers, I'd say in our community.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, they, yeah, web web development is, is just a more I mean, there's more web developers and app developers in the world. So that's, it's gonna mirror that. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. But then that that's fine. I mean, we've, there's some top notch app developer, really, somebody has to just see the vision. Yeah, and say, This is

what this is what this thing should look like. And that because you it's like you said, it's all marketing, the data is there, the data is going to be there no matter what, we're gonna have music feeds and documentary feeds and all this kind of stuff in the index. Yeah, so that stuff's gonna exist. But somebody has to come along and have the vision to say, Okay, here's the way that it would look to, to a music listener and music.

And, and the market is there because I receive emails regularly, people saying, Hey, would this work for music, and I point them to value for value.io There's a section there about music as a section there about audio books, people who've done it who have implemented it actually got to update it to point to able, Kirby able Kirby project. So the demand is out there people are seeing musicians are some of the most entrepreneurial people in the world.

It has to be your food on the table, you got to get your merch together, you got to have your cheap places to stay, you know, you you're doing the marketing you you your girlfriend's is dancing out flyers, you know, that's, that's what it takes, but the everything's here. There was now we're now seeing private networks popping up of doctors who have left hospital systems and medical systems and they're now doing their own telemedicine because the technology is out

there. They're building their own apps, they're putting their own stuff together their own beliefs everything's there you do not need Silicon Valley infrastructure anymore to do these things. And yes, you know, one one thing that I've been trying to okay so we had this problem with hell pad Yes, the Hello packet was used Yeah, hello Pat. I love the Hello pad and so in testing that are trying to test the fixes for that my my Umbro just can't get a route anywhere I'm trying to

sin myself stuff. payments from it. Just like podcast apps mountain breeze bought friend Yeah. And nothing comes through. So what was really says it can't find a route. Well, what's your routing from your Umbral? What do you what are you connected to? connected to my personal node, my bigger personal node and I've got two channels open to podcast index. Inbound to you you've got to you've got liquidity from the index.

I've got an outbound I've got 188,000 Set outbound and a 200,000 set inbound from podcast index which is odd but actually if we try it right now, let me send myself 1000 SATs and I'm just gonna try to pay it from strike and see if that works because maybe we should have a route three from strike I think so. For sure. Yeah, I don't see I don't see why it gets into Ellen pay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, then sure. Let's see with it, huh? Nope. says oops, unable to find a

payment route. That's what I'm getting. And I don't understand why. No, no, we can troubleshoot it later. Yeah, no, I don't I have some thoughts. But I have to look at I have to look at the I have to look at the are the eight the 8am one shit, and go see what's going on one. What's M one m one ml dot o when it yeah, whatever it is that thing, that thing. Oh, before we go back to a different interfaces, Roku, Roku app that connects to the index would kick ass. Oh, that is a good idea.

The no agenda Roku app has been on the Roku store and working for me for I want to say eight years. And even longer, maybe longer than that. It's a great platform. Now, I don't think it will be. I mean, it's possible someone could set it up where maybe the wallet is disconnected from the app, and maybe you can make calls and maybe you can I don't know, maybe that'll work. I don't know. Someone should try it. It's worth it. Go everybody be the first we have video content.

Yeah, I mean, just a simple UI, play a podcast player UI on. And then later when the medium stuff hits. You can you pull in video and all that stuff. You know, I got about 20 years of cognition left. What? More than that, you know, what language language should I learn? I just gotta I just gotta develop the ship myself. I can't hang around for the developers. What should I learn? What should I learn rust is rust my go to? Is that what I need to learn?

I would not suggest that is your first. My first Hey, hey, hey, I can do basic. I can do Python. And I can I can understand other stuff. Python. Just in Python. I can I yeah, I can just get my class on do it. The other day, I was so proud of myself. Apple script did Apple. Fuck you. That's that was that's how it's done that Apple script is not documented. There's just no documentation. This is apple script is horrible. And that

just exists. And it was made for people like me. And that's actually how I found Dave Winer. His his crazy user user land. User script was better than Apple script. In fact, I think app Apple probably ripped the idea from him. There's just one programming language is supported by the Roku platform. And it's called Bright script. No brother write script, which is a Python like script. Oh, he was a go. There you go Python. Yeah. Yeah. That was so proud of myself. You know. So Tina, ever

the marketing. And by the way, shame on us. And you'll hear why every year around October. She's like, Okay, I want you to get the top 100 donors for this year, ask Eric the top 100 donors of all time, and you're going to email them. And it's, of course, it's a great idea. And it should be personal. Okay, I'm good with that. So I get the list from Eric. And this year. I can do this. I can do a personal mail with a mail merge. And I could do it all with Mutt and command line and Python. And I

did. And I saw I found it. I found a script, bare bones that that interacted with mutt in batch mode. And let me talk about mud. It cracks me the hell mine is powerful Mojo Baby, what is the shizzle? I know it is. But if you showed a normal human, any just random normy off the internet might, their head would explode. You know, I've actually toyed around with him doing the Emacs email where it's in Emacs. Versus just so sexy. He's like,

check my message, boom, right in a document. But you have to download it locally. So I don't want to do that. It doesn't work well with IMAP. So anyway, so So mutt just is fantastic. And then you know, I get the script all working. And, you know, it's basically just a script with a little bit of documentation from a GitHub. And then by immediately see, oh, my server which Mark avoid zero maintains, it's like too many, too many TLS connections go away bad man. Like, Oh, oops, okay. Yes, no,

good. So then I look at the script, like, Okay, I just need to do a 10 second pause. And I look at the script, you know, I try it now. That's not it, boom. Ah, there it is. I was just so proud of myself. And then I did what everybody should do. I went back to GitHub, posted a comment and issue I said, Hey, man, thank you for the script. Do you have a Bitcoin or lightning or shit even at PayPal, so I can buy a coffee or send you something? And the guy comes back he says, Oh my God, this

thank you so much for posting this. It's really encouraged me to post more. It's just knowing that someone found that useful. That's great, please, I have a great job. Just give it to a local animal shelter. And I thought no way the world is fucking beautiful this way. So this is okay. This is a thing that I had written down to talk about months ago and we just never talked about it is it Why

does there not exist? A some kind of site or something that will interface with all known open source, valuable open source projects and allow you to donate directly to them through lightning. So something like I mean, it would essentially be like a podcast or wallet. But the open source project itself could go and sign up and say, you know, okay, here's our

lightning node address. Here's our pub key. And if you want to donate to the project, like it's just a basically a page of a page of projects, and you click it and pops up a QR code, and you didn't you scan and donate. I mean, there's like an index like a donation index for open source projects that should exist. I don't know if that's the way to go. I mean, if the guy just posted a QR code right there on his GitHub page, that would be

the same thing. No. Well, yeah, I'm just, I'm just thinking that you would have some, you'd have some other goodies in there, like into being able to have donor booster grams and donations and all kinds of stuff. This looks almost like a like a Satoshi stream, but for podcast from, okay. Well, right, of course, these, that's always how we get there. Umbral has some kind of wonder if it's networkable. There's some kind of Git Repository app that they have in

the Umbral, I'm really high on this Umbral thing. This is I've always dreamed of this kind of box, and it's you know, I've, I've connected my, I've set up the next cloud little next cloud on it, which then also connects to my email. So in a pinch, I can tore into my Umbral node and fire up my email is beautiful. I'm so I'm so. And you know, like that layer in there? Well, it's not that I don't like I love the concept. I'm so leery, as well as cloud and own cloud and all those things. I'm

afraid. They're so big, and there's so many lines of code, I'm just so afraid that they're gonna be like, some critical vulnerability, and they're gonna steal all my stuff. Yeah, that's possible. That's very possible. I've been I've been living with next cloud for a couple years love it. Then I just rent a server with cPanel. So I do have full control over it. And it is mine. But my email is is not on there that's owned. That's Mark does all that. So just IMAP has just some file

storage and recipes. You know, pictures. Nothing critical, ever. But I hear what you're saying. But having it having it here at home? I mean, yeah, I mean, just having it behind Tor and all that is I feel pretty safe. That's probably the the, you know, my job for 20 to 2025 years has been to be paranoid beyond belief. So that's probably guessing. This is why you're sick all the time. You worry, you worry too much, you worry too much. Anyway, the update to heli pad. Beautiful,

works perfectly. I've got all the history in there. Love it. So I just need to do it, I just need to push. So the way they do this on the Umbro side is they try to see the app. There's an app registry file that has all of the apps listed, that you can install. And then they reference the Docker compose in the app in the app file, in the app folder,

micro services architecture, baby. And then they, and then that Docker compose file for the app, points to the image on Docker Hub, and they but they tie it to a specific image hash. So I can't just change it out. Yeah. Well, that's, that's security. It is. Yeah. Yeah, that's the that is the right way to do it. And so but that just means I'm going to have to do another cycle, bump the version number, and then do a pull request to update the

app. And hopefully, I can get that in there before this next for 11 cars. Yeah, nothing I think I can do they say you. I'll go through what the problem was. Yeah, please. What can I tell everyone what the what the what the result was what what I saw is I would have the most recent booster grams within the few hours. And then there were gaps. I had a three week gap. But Alternatively, it would have a

different gap. There was just stuff missing and I was thanking people On curry in the keeper and missing a whole shitload of people. So there was just gaps in the data. Well, there's, there were two actually two problems. The one is the one you were talking about what the gap. So you would have like a few recent ones, and then you'd hit this demarcation point where it would jump back, like, a month, and you would it'd be missing like three, four weeks, then, and it was always

random. It was different than that. There was another problem, though, that would happen. And when James Crillon ran into this a few times, and I think maybe you ran into this a few times as well, or Braun of London, I can't remember. But I never could replicate it on my side. And this, this thing that happened was, you would fire up helipad. And it would come up and say that it's building the database, and there's nothing to

show. Yeah, well, that that was that way, always until, if you and then I would send myself a booster gram or a boost, they would pew and then the minute that happens, the show older boosts link would show up. Okay, so that both of these were essentially caused by the same, the same issue, but in two different manifestations. What goes on with helipad is that it? It builds, it maintains help had the app maintains its own database of every invoice that's

in the note. So when you first install it, it sucks all of the invoices, all the lightning invoices out of lnd into its own database, and each one of those has an index number. And it's just constantly keeping is polling lnd every few seconds to say, is there a new invoice yet, right. And if there are it sucks it and so it's always keeping sync between the two. In order to show the booster grams, you it ends up having to go backwards in the database and forwards depending on what's

being on what's happening. So sometimes you want to go back and show historical information. So you need to have sort of a descending search to say Okay, start from this index and go and show me everything older. And then some but for new booster grams that are coming in from New invoices. You want to say, Okay, start with this index and show me everything newer. So you can go in, you can go either backwards or for right shoulder boosts is going backwards.

Yeah. And so with in a certain scenario, what was what was happening is it was getting the direction wrong. And so it would say he would get into a state and he would say, okay, here is show me, show me this. Here's Okay, start from this index and show me everything newer than this. But there's nothing new or to show. And so it would just come up and say there's nothing there. Right? And that it ended up it was just a couple of typos really have happened to me all the time in Python.

Yes. In bright script, yeah. Bright script. And so that's really what it boiled down to was it was kind of like to two changes. One, it was an extra piece of logic to see what was was being asked for from the front end. And the other one was just a pure, like typo. Once you fix those, now, it's, it's seeing everything, it's using the proper direction, anytime

that it's asking for certain stuff. Because if you think about it, like the reason it needs to go forward in the database sometimes is let's just say that you're up that you're up to date. And so every all the booster grams shown on the screen are current. Well, now what you want is you want to say you want to be polling the back the polling the hell pad back in and saying is there here's my current index, let's just say it's 125 you want to say alright, index 125 show me

things that are newer than that. And just want to keep saying that over and over and it'll in some never shows up this newer than that that's a home 126 or 127. Right? It'll give it back. Otherwise, if you're having to do a descending you would have to you'd have to just pick some random number and say okay, one to 137 Let's just say okay, I'll go ahead 2020 ticks on the index count is show me everything older than that and you're

constantly having to sort of like guess and it worked. I mean, it would work it would catch up with itself, but I don't know I like it seems cleaner the other way to me. And so then with the with the boost with the booster grant what was triggering the issue You What I found was triggering the issue with it showing up and saying that it was the database wasn't

finished being built yet. It was the direction issue. But specifically, what was happening is if you created an invoice and it didn't get paid, yes suck that invoice into the hell pad database with as a blank right it was it was an unsettled invoice. Yeah, with zero data in it. That invoice bogus. And it happened to me back then, because I was trying to fund I was trying to get my my Umbral to route payments. And so I'm like, Okay, I'm just going to try to pay an invoice from

strike. I created an invoice, tried to pay it, and then the next switch back over to hell pad and refreshed and it blew up. It just said your data, you don't have a database, or there's nothing to show you. Oh, oh, okay. So go over to the SQLite database look, and it's sitting on the current index is one of those blank, unsettled invoices. Oh, okay. Got it. Then. Then I just add, I added another invoice manually as if a new booster Graham had come in, boom, it was fixed. And so that

that was also an extra fix that had to go in. So anyway, it's the I'll push a new version, hopefully and get it in under the wire guys. Kicking ass. It's beautiful. Yeah, you know, I think I rushed this thing out the door. And a lot of

ways it went as fast as I could. And so I think at some point in the future probably want to do the UI thing or before we pull in the new UI that Khalil I think I'm going to do some refactoring to make that, that because what I think what needs to happen more than keeping, keeping everything perfectly in sync is like by sucking in every invoice. What I think is better is to just have a running counter of whatever the current lnd invoice index is. Just keep that there as a single value in

the database. And then that way, I don't have to pull in every single invoice. I can only pull in just the booster grams. Okay, ready to have your mind blown? Yeah, blow it. Okay. This can also work in reverse. So Oh, I hear that. Yeah, maybe? Yes. Yeah. It was it. It was it was a boost for no agenda. No, okay. Not a booster, just the boost. So it can also work in reverse people have an unrolled they pick up what is this Halle pad thing? Yeah, it can be an onboarding step. Oh, huh.

Okay, it's your API calls in. It's a few. It's a beautiful onboarding place. It is. You've just created an entry point, an entry point for podcasters. There needs to be a link on there to link out to, to some way to create a feed. Maybe the genie. Oh, my God. See how all the pieces are coming together? Yes. Are you there? Yes. Now you leave link out and I don't know this. That's the I like this onboarding thing, because then you pull in the do it the DIY guys, huh?

Like they're out there. That's what podcasters are. Yeah. podcasters are DIY guys. And the next cloud guys, I mean, these guys are gonna want to own every they want to own every link in the chain. Right? Now, you got a you have the Umbral with the, you know, two terabytes of disk space on it, turn it into a podcast, podcast, magic box. Well, that's been there for now, when I posted that I was talking

about IPFS, maybe IPFS. On the Umbral, I got a lot of pushback, and pretty much everyone says now there's just better protocols now the web, Tor and all this stuff is just so much better. My problem with ifs is is so crashy it crashes all the time. And it's so like, at least once a week, if not more, I get an email from our Oh, yes. Yeah, broken broken DB download or see it now. Yeah. And it's usually because the IPFS daemon crashed and it's been resurrected halfway through a download. Yes,

it is bothersome. And this is, and this is exactly what it's meant for is for huge data files. That was how was developed. Topic, opportunity amount is everywhere. Since IPFS. Powers many of the NFT craze We promised on our last episode which by the way, thank you for finishing was hilarious what happened on the last show? No one noticed it. But I will tell people what happened. I didn't even hear the last I didn't even hear the last part

at all. You wouldn't you wouldn't know that it was disaster here in the hill country. Yes. Because your skills are also first of all, the show's running long. We're doing it with James and you know, we're really appreciative because you got up early and everything. And you know, so we're running on close to two hours and I knew that Mark Hall was coming at now. It's dark now and Tina can't turn on the lights because of the dimmer

buzzer. She's literally cooking dinner with a flashlight. I can feel her Siri Yes, I can feel her angst and she's texting me like, are you almost there? And and so I'm listening and we're talking and you're like, oh, James, one more thing about a life philosophy. I've always wanted to question you on some I'm like, Oh my God, that's another 15 minutes. And then Mark comes to the door. he rings the doorbell. Phoebe, the the 90 pound akbash just just flipping out. Tina's not ready. You know,

the dog feels this. He looks like a fucking bear, like a Russian black bear in the dog. And I'm hitting, you know, I'm trying to go back and forth. And I finally say to Dave and, and James, I say, Hey, you guys just finished it up. Merry Christmas. I got to deal with the situation. So I came back an hour later, and the recorder was still running. And I was able to piece it all together. So no one was the Wiser until I spoiled it. There you go.

perfectly understandable. This is wife management. 1010. Yeah. Let's just say spout partner management, shall we? Okay. I got to Oh, yeah. So anyway, and as a part of that, we cut the show short, because you said Hey, should we joke about NF Ts? Is it now? No, no, no, let's let's let's wind this up. So your life is good as well. Have you ever bought an in if I have received an NFT s months ago, someone created a no agenda NFT and said, Here, install Netmask and do this Weeki Wachee

Wookiee and then I opened it, and I got $7 or something. And honestly, I have not looked since. Would you like to know how you how you go about buying an NFT? It's Metamask? I'm sorry? Yeah. Metamask? Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. How the hell do I do that? How does this work with the the guys over at mere mortals? One specifically, he walked through the process of him buying some NF T's. I think these are like, dinosaur? Yeah, I don't know. This is Part

honors. I guess these are images like you have these collector, NF T's. They're like images of a dinosaur or a gorilla or sexy? Oh, yeah. It's great. It's top notch. Yeah. So he will include one he walks through how the buying of the NF T's work. We talk a lot about NF T's and a lot of other things I won't go too much into, into depth into what they are. But basically,

it's an NF T right of dinosaurs. But they were minting I got, I was fortunate enough that I was able to get pre minting, which basically meant I was able to purchase the particular NF T's before they actually went on public sale. So that might be like pre IPO or pre. That's the example. So pre IPO pre everybody getting in. Cool. So I purchased four of them, have one of them, which I gave to a good friend of mine. Cool, fantastic. Now, there was no trouble saying but and I did mention this to

you the way that you actually had to do it. And it was a little bit of a manual process was they would basically say, how many did you want in a basically a message through this channel? How many do you want? I would say I want four, they would give you the address and you just sent money there. And you will have to just hope, interest that they're gonna send

it back now they did. Right. And I was saying to you look, there was obviously some trust built up in the fact that these people had heard them talking, you know, asked me anything style questionnaires. I've interacted with them message them. That seemed cool. I wasn't too worried. I was like, I want to share screen share with you and no, no, but I was like, let's say maybe it was a point 2% Doubt, right.

So the evidently the way or one of the common one of the ways that you buy an FTS is you just randomly send somebody money and hope that they send you an NFT that's essentially what this was boiled down. Oh, that's what they call a smart contract. Yes, sir. I actually was just able to open my meta mask wallet and sitting there I have 0.0159 eath equals $58.86. So my, my, my winnings went up since I got my, my, my EF the NFT money. Wait, I

do have an asset once this is appreciated in value. Yes, I have. Okay. So that that sounds kind of weird so that I thought you would because I know when I when I got mine, it was like a click and then it was said you got it and fuck I don't remember Dave, it probably wasn't there to be some sort of encrypted Yeah. Field purchase process or handoff. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Then interact with the blockchain. This is all this is web. 3.0 baby. Yeah, this has got to be like,

web three, not 3.0. It's 3.3 with 3.3. But, I mean, okay, so that's dicey, but at least, like the actual purchase purchasing of the NF T, I mean, the transaction itself, that's got to be solid, right? I mean, you would think that but let's listen to clip to what added to this though. Like, I'm thankful I didn't partake in this cuz I was gonna buy more unreleased, and I was like,

Dude, this sounds crazy. And then there were so many people like that the channel disco channel went from, they said seven and a half 1000 8000 people to 15,000 in about 20 minutes. And there was so many people messaging, it crashed a whole discord channel, which at the same time, those bots and this happens all the time and space. Those bots and other people creating fake discord channels sending you missed as being like, Oh, hey, guys, this is the actual disco channel,

send us the money. And people were sending money all over the place. And shit. And so they finally got the thing back and had to put like, all these downs being like, I hope nobody sent all this money because like there was messages all over the place. Like this was the worst release ever. Like I lost all my money bought, etc, etc, etc. Yeah, I think there's the the releasing of the NF Ts and I believe

Marvel works with a company that does this professionally. So it does take some actual infrastructure to set it up and and have it work in some orderly fashion. I think discord channel was kind of, you know, kind of the DIY way, which you know, is you get what you pay for type deal. DIY and out and in. In the south, we call that half ass is what it sounds like. But I mean, like, okay, so fine. Everybody makes mistakes to get all. Yeah, nothing, nothing is perfect. But at least they have,

you know, communication channels secure and everything. So, at least the process of at least this this plan B sort of discord process. I mean, at least that is dependable. I mean, you would think yeah, maybe clip three. What added to this story. Like I'm thankful I didn't partake in this because I was gonna buy more unreleased, and I was like, Dude, this sounds crazy. And then there was so many people like that the channel, disco channel went from it. This is the same as clip two.

It's not supposed to be exact. I played did I play the wrong clip? Hold on a second. Are they the same tonight? Now, I don't know how they found this out. I think I played clips three instead of clip two. Wait, let me see what this what added to the story. Like, I'm thankful I didn't partake in this because I was gonna buy more on release. And I was like, Dude, this sounds crazy. And then there was so many people so that the channel does go channel went from, they said seven and a half. Yeah,

we played that one. I guess I played him out of order. I'm sorry. That's okay. Now, I don't know how they found this out. But there's actually like, not not what to say well known hackers, but people know that people going to hack a particular release. So this one COMM The actual public release was going to happen in two days. And they found out hey, this group, which I think is called a seven to one or something, but like, they were going to go and

hack their sale. And what that meant was, you know, there was usually a limit of like, you can only buy 10 or 15, or five off particular thing. But they could get around in the contract, just like I'm only going into it just very technically, they could mess around with the contract. So they could buy 1000 of them for the money. But they're about 1000 Then all of a sudden, they have like a monopoly or not a monopoly, but a really large

portion of them and they control a lot of the price. So people don't want that because it's happened before. So what they decided to do was they would basically like the last 1015 minutes before the public release. The sentiment is being like no, we're about to get like hacked, we do not want to do

this to happen. So they delayed the release and what they did was okay, you have to send us a message on the discord channel with a particular way and tell us how many you want we're gonna limit it to three I think they're saying there's limited to three dinosaurs. You have to message us and it was just going to be a first come first serve or you message us you send us the money to a particular dress and like you might get you might not you have no idea what on the list this

guy so I apologize. I played I played him out of order. That's okay. but it's still I mean, like, and then the distorting of did nothing is this thing is a complete disaster. Well, okay, so from the Marvel standpoint, I'll tell you what I can tell you in essence, what's going on and they do not have these issues. So I know that they have a partner, I forget who it is. I think it is the IPFS guys actually, who built the NFT type business out of this vivo or veto or something like that.

Could probably look it up. So that's pretty orderly, whatever they're doing, but they're they're taking it in exactly the same direction as the baseball trading cards. So you're going to see packages, and they're their assets are the superheroes, the comic books, you know that the whole business of this Marvel Entertainment is licensing? So the everything in the comic, but all that imagery, all the words, they own all of that? So he's ZeeVee?

Yeah, I think that sounds right. Vive. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So remind me to tell you about that. So they're going to package that up. But you you pay like 100 bucks. And that could be, you know, there could be $1,000 valuable rookie card in there. But it's more likely you've got 80 bucks worth of cards, right? Ran that you have like the commons and uncommons and the rares. And, yeah, yeah, he's a trading card.

Yeah, yeah. He says, there's really two audiences. You have the audience that there's really into this and hopes to find something valuable. Then you have the people who have a lot of money, who when they were poor, and young, couldn't buy the the cool card. And so they go out and they spend whatever they need to just to do it. Right. It says ultimately, this will wind up with a very small percentage being extremely valuable than all the rest of shit is worth worthless. It's

completely worthless. What was interesting is my old buddy, my old agent from Hollywood call me a couple weeks ago. Matthew last year super agent Lasher. Matthew, how you doing? Oh, yeah. He said, Matthew, how you doing? Sounds like yes, the Penthouse magazine. Oh, that was the hard part is whenever you call me Hey, man. I can't help but do his voice. He says, I have a client. I guess I have a client and he wants to do an NFT and and I just wanted the

right partner. I said well, my buddy he knows the right partner who's your client? Say Brian is it Brian cross Brian cross from succession? I'm Brian cross my second sucks show Cox. Brian come by Brian Cox. I'm sorry. Yes. Okay. Brian Cox. So have you ever seen succession? No. Okay, so Brian never even heard of Brian Cox. Is it Brian Cox? Is that right? Yeah. Brian Cox. So he's this this he's an older actor and he plays the patriarch of this.

You're basically like a Murdoch type type guy of a media company and his kids are all fuck ups you know and he wants to cut them all out and they're all fight the whole thing everything and it's having known a couple of wealthy families like this it's pretty accurate I would say in the in the kind of shit that goes on. But he's his kind of line in the in the series is this fuck off. And then turning that into an NFT he apparently he makes like five grand a pop on cameo. Are you familiar with

cameo? No, it's approached me several times. Now. Cameo was an app and Snoop Dogg. A whole bunch of actors do it. I just can't bring myself to do it. And you could set a price you say you want a personal video message from Adam curry. It'll be you know, $2,000 and through the app, they pay for it and then you do it. Essentially, those people that ask us to do exactly the same thing for $1 If that so, so he gets $5,000 I think we're just doing a Dave

Jones fuck off. Five grand for that. Sounds like shit. We got to do NF T's and they're doing it. This would be a Brian Cox and ft. I mean, I just don't you know. I understand that NF T's I understand that they can be valuable in certain context as I'm not Pooh poohing the whole idea of an NF t mean because essentially an NF t is just a cryptographically secure proof of ownership is honest. Yeah. Yeah. And that in and of itself is, is a sales

receipt. Yeah. But without the goods, if it's digital, I believe in NF T's for physical goods. I think that's a pretty interesting idea. So and I could see it as being sort of a token that you can pass around to give people well, here's, here's how I would do mission for things or here's Yeah, here's how I would do it. If we were going to do an NFT. It would be none. No, we're not going to I'm just saying if there would be numbered T shirts. And you can't even get real T shirts out

there. Hey, let's thank some people. The real the real business, which is value for value, the whole podcast index project is value for value this podcast is value for value. We have been delivering value and we love receiving value back every developer, every thinker, every podcaster, who was contributed is a part of this system. Go read Gee gees article, you see the you're part of a trend that that has been

around for 1000s of years. But yeah, we are resurrecting with our new tools, which can be very proud proud of what we're doing. Is section of that article on maximizing profits. Yeah. Top notch. Yes. So who do we thank today for supporting, supporting everything, Dave? out of the gate? We're thanking Benjamin and Ben and Roberto from rss.com. Who gave us $1,800.57 Oh, my goodness. Sakala 20 is Blaze only. Now does this come after I post my posts on podcast index dot social that oh, by the way,

everybody? The hosting guys are supporting us more than anybody. Yeah, they put up poor mouth this and, and made everybody step up, which they did in a huge weigh. It seems like everybody stepped up and that was really heartwarming. You know, it's because it's easy to forget. And I know, this is why you know, value for value has to continuously you have to remind you have to ask people, you have to tell people what you're doing. Sometimes you throw a sad

puppy. If you broke if you're broke, you say we're broke. Now we're not broke. But you you laid it right out there. Yeah, we're pretty much breakeven, we're not putting any money in our pockets. No, is going right back into the operation. Yeah. And it's that sort of transparency. Help helps people to understand where we're at. And, you know, and also people, you know, if you just listen and count, you can find out exactly how much comes in every week. We're

giving the amounts on the show. Yeah, it's easy to track. Our our expenses run roughly 1000 to 1200 a month. And you can just listen to the shows and see what's coming. Are they getting 1000 or 1200 a month? It's pretty obvious. Yeah, that's about it. Exactly. So yeah, they sent us $1,800.57 He says, this has been he says here's a one here's a 1k boost. 118 150 857 says what a great year we've had listening to and watching the podcasting 2.0 and

podcast index journey. The whole [email protected] wishes the whole team behind the 2.0 namespace and equally successful 2020 to go podcasting. What was that? That's the keeper. Oh, is that is that the keeper filtered through a nurse? No, Sherman. Yeah, she threw she threw this out on the show. And just before we started today, I just grabbed it and I recorded it and I and I think over modulate it inside of Theramin that I saw I kind of liked it. I'm like we just got to keep that one going.

Brian of London gave us a an interesting boost. He gave us a $500 donation through Hive $500 In hive. Okay, Brian, what is the hive equivalent of boost? Boost boost, Okay, nice. And he asked me he said you know, hey, I want to I want to donate $500 Do I want it in lightning or in hive? And I was like, you know, I mean it's just your brand of London. Yeah, you gotta be has to be hive. Hello. Yeah. And that's good. We need hive power. We do. Yep. Because we still want to build that up so that we

can be self sufficient. self sufficient. Hive independent. That is independent moron canes and Aki independent is what we are Marco Arment gave us $500 Marco every month now is his search still is hit our index at all. No, he's he's still married to Apple when it comes to search because people are saying hey, I can't find Korean the keeper on on overcast. Yeah. And I don't I don't know how amenable he would be to opening up a little bit.

Now he's he's got he's got his own theory on that. That's fine. Yeah. You know, so. I mean, he's not getting some top notch content. That's true. But he Yeah, he's comes in every month without fail. $500 and is greatly appreciated. and way, way above and beyond. Yes. Thank you, Martha. Alice gates, the podcasting. 2.0. Consultant. Yes. $100. One off. Thank you. Thank you very much, Alex.

Alex is working on some stuff. And Alex started a new job. And so he's been he's been pressed for time, but he's, he's definitely starting some. Some more work on the piping. Oh, cool. Yeah, he's gonna be working on pod on integrating the live notifications and stuff like that into pod paying me. He's really already back working on it right now. Cool. Well, yeah, he settled into the job. He's automated all the tasks, you know, he's just drinking coffee. Like, what can

I do? Oh, yeah. Let me get back to piping. Yes. Was that I just imagine him being that guy. Oh, I see what needs to be done per it's all set. Okay, it's rolling. He built the Rube Goldberg machine and then he can just go do it. Yes. That madeiros from Cass DOS, send us $100 Thank you says go podcasting. Yeah. Did you see his video on that on? Yes, I did. I did. It was fantastic.

Top notch. I had this idea last night. That that I was gonna chop that video up and throw in put in and put in some music and stuff like that and like do some sort of like GX to mix up mash up. Nice. Yeah. And I felt like boost boost. See, thank you, Matt. Oscar Mary. He a fountain FM same. Gave us $100 And he says for the server's Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to you. And thank you and I love the latest. latest marketing. Yes, fountain is showing us the top value for value apps.

It's like the top rock. Yeah. Oh, no. We got another one. Hold on a second. Yeah, it was that report report. Uh oh. Holy shit. What was the big one? Yeah. It was a dude. It was a Dred Scott came in live. Came in live and he says it's 100,000 sat boost. Oh, crap. Was that to us? Yeah. Oh, you're reading it live? And he says yeah, he says go podcasting. Huh? Yeah, he boosted episode 67. I know exactly what like Dred Scott. I don't this guy is Bruce Wayne. Okay. So he is Bruce Lee. He's

the Bruce Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 He knows that we're doing the show right now. He knows that the pew pew because it happened while Tina and I were doing the show. He knows the pew pew comes through. And he's doing this. I guarantee you. He's like, I'm going to be the first person to do a booster Graham live on the show. And he did it. You need you need to somehow hook that thing up where it'll where? Where you can hear it. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to turn it on. What do you mean, I need to

quit? Do you know you're talking to? Oh, yeah, no, I'm giving audio advice to the let me send me let me send myself a booster gram. See if it works. Who's so thank you drip, drip? Just come on. 1000 sets. Okay, let me just see if this you have a message in there. Go podcasting? Yeah, okay. Yeah. Did did the Go podcasting. But wow, this is very exciting. When are we doing this live? Dave? When are we going to throw up the stream and Steven B is working on some stuff secretly.

Okay. Whenever we can get live. Let's see. I'm doing live medical analysis. On the show here. I've got my fever is 99.8. That's coming down. Oh, man. Okay, so I just boosted myself from pod friend. Let's see if that comes through and if it works, okay. All right. Thank you, Jared. There. How long did that take away? What was the times five seconds maybe? Dos Beautiful. Well, whoever made helipads it's just an awesome dude is broadhead. So clearly, clearly top notch.

Chris Christopher? laconic. What? All right this is a hard name. He's Chris LW on podcast index dot social. His name is Chris Christopher. laconic. Vital. Okay. All right, Chris, tell me if that's right. He gives $100 And he says, Keep up the great work and 2022 Chris from CT Larry. I guess that's Connecticut. Thank you, man. Thank you very much. Yeah, thank you Chris. Appreciate it, man. $100 very

much appreciated by everybody. It was so nice. Edward Sullivan gave us $100 And there's no note attached to Eversole this mo We do appreciate how you doing. Hey, Dan boaster. Kevin Bay. been around a long time. Kevin Bay has been around forever. He sent us $100 And he says Merry Christmas Dave and Adam podcasting. 2.0 is the gift that keeps on giving go podcasting? Yes, they are. Oh, here we go. James Krillin gave us a he did a $50 subscription for us.

Wow. Thank you very much. Yeah, that's cool. We we put them in the value block by the way that that was cool. Did he get anything from it? Yes, yes. I said okay, James, I've published the feed I've got you in the split I promised him 30% And and he came back right away and posted a screenshot he said received so it was working. Okay, so I want to pause here for a second and just realize

what has happened this may be a first of all time. We have gotten successfully gotten a consultant to give us money. Alice gates and also a journalist to give us money. Can I just say that we were cooking with gas Thank you, Jane. excellent observation. Watson. Thank you. Very good. Lisa DeFore to gave us $25 And there was no note from Lisa women she Lisa. Where do we know Lisa from? I don't know at least it afford so show that name. No.

We don't have many women in the in the in the gang. So the the best thing though the alarms went off is with a woman donate. Yeah. Well, welcome. You're welcome here. We're nerds. We're harmless. So at least if you get a note make Yeah. Let us know. Yeah. Let us know what you're doing. If you're working on something. Clicked family scouts gave us $25 And no note on that. Thank you Cliff family scouts, by the way, just so people know in the curry household here in

the hill country in the shack. All you know I have four podcasts. All of them have at least a monitoring split in the value block from my Umbro that pew pew sound is a part of our life. It is it is so cool. It'd be like mostly Graham. Graham pew pew pew booster. All day. It's like haptics, yes. Yes. Haptics haptics. Imran Ockman gave us $21. Thank you. Oh, here's his note says from great pods with the thanks. Oh, thanks. Thank you. Great pods.

Great pods. Yeah, I know those guys. Follow him on Twitter. Thank you, Imran and great pods. Let's see here. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to say this name. Tomas Co. Blum ship SJ o with own lot. BLM. Show Blum? Yeah. Sounds about right. Alright. Tomas. Joe Blum gave us $20 No note that Thank you, Thomas. Thank you very much Thomas. From a from a Scandinavian region. Yep, does have the Oh with it with the line through it. It's Oh, with two dots above it. Oh, boom. Loud. And uhm, loud

online. Yeah. What is what is the thing with the I'm sorry to interrupt what is the thing with the line to it? What do you call that? I call it a thing with a line for me to just seem like it's the right thing to call it though. I call it the short vowels. Call it something that doesn't work in Unicode as well. Like it doesn't show up could be an emoji could be some Swedish and emotes yeah it yes messed up. OPML is Ko Cohen glotzbach

gave us $5 Thank you. No note and he's got Oh, that's a subscription if I don't eautiful server Thanks, man. Yep, thank you JC Van Brunt sent us $5 I mean Did he just made he may be from Texas and just say Van Brunt Rambo was a fun brute. Yeah move on board. I'm gonna give him the you know the formal

title benefit Yes $5 Thank you, Vaughn. Boom we get some the oh wait, wait before I'm not doing monthlies yet I gotta do booster green boost grams I haven't heard here's your cue to boost you know you want to boost boost boost boost donation from circus media he says 808 through breeze and he says boost yeah guys are awesome. Thank you for all the value the the over modulation on that makes it worse. That's what does it I know. Yeah. It's it's like Jimi Hendrix of booster grams.

That's it. Yeah. Since then the guitar on fire with it with a lot of fluid. Yeah. Stephen B. Oh, Steven B. Through Curia Castro of course. Send a 61,241 sat Thank you. I'm so glad that you're feeling better Steven. Yeah had a rough go of it. He did. Man anytime you have like a gut thing. Oh, so it's just missed so Dave went I know that April gets nuts for you again so we have

this window. Now do you think you'll be could you hook it up to up to Texas or over to Texas before then so we can do like a 2.0 meetup so many people who are a part of this are in Texas. It has to be after Yeah, it has to be after after the after

April. Okay, April 15. Okay, yeah, cuz we yeah, we have the run up to like we're we're full bore right now with onboarding new employees and all that stuff or someone out there could just say this is such a great project I'm going to donate $100,000 So that Dave can stop working for the man Hmm Oh, that's also an option that was one heartedly endorse it's a big boost. Quite a boost.

Stephen basic I don't have as much time talent nor treasure as I'd like oh please you got all three of those Thank you indeed.

But this project is important so here's half of curio caster sets from last month Now that's interesting that is your last month he got 120,000 sets I mean polls but hold on a job money but I mean that's quite decent and I would say on the list of just you know the data that I'm seeing I would say curio casters consistently three number three on the list with the kind of depends like period caster pod friend curio caster is a little higher I

think on the what we're seeing coming in and then breeze and fountain I think is has been top for a while so that's roughly 50 bucks at the current exchange rate 120,000 Sasa roughly 50 $85 a month of income so I mean if you're talking about I mean boost if you were to get that ups to just need more people just need more people to use it. That's Oh, yes. Then you're talking to 250 bucks a month of income. Yeah, you know, I'm an app that's like cocaine money I

don't know why I said that. No idea why I said that. Cocaine money I don't even like it yeah, well thank you Steven Bay you didn't you didn't have to do that. I appreciate it and and and love the Jenny the the the broken out Jenny he's also got the image tags working in there yeah, yes. Oh, that yeah, that he that the genie has turned into such a good testbed for all this stuff. This is what we always wanted. I'm even adding my my social links now to my other shows I've

gotten dangerous. Oh, yeah. Well from different Mastodon servers, which I promptly fucked up but I'll get better. Comic Strip blogger gives 3333 sets from pot friend let me guess he has a note. He does have a nemesis. Merry Christmas to you, AC and Merry Christmas to you AC and today. More booster grams next week. Okay, he sent that on December 23. That was just a Christmas No, no. Play for podcasting.ai Well, let's play AI dot cooking is AI podcast. Get the boost CSB.

I see a couple of 3330 threes in here. I bet he's gonna yes gotta be it's gotta be he does three a three year show. Yeah. Donations to see 50 sets from Chris through the fountain app and he just says raw okay we read them all people this diagram 20,222 SATs a huge second row of ducks yeah a long line of ducks from hardhat through the curio caster and he says, upping the SATs and lining up a road ducks very nice thank you. Thank you see everyone heard it. Everyone

heard like you know what? These booster grams are great but we didn't mean up the money a little bit and that's it. You're doing it you're doing it thank you. Boost able Kirby 20,000 SATs through curio caster and he says extra boost for good measure. Thank you, Abel Kirby, thank you very much. How long has it been since you clicked boost? That's too long. That's right.

That's a bell curve. Is it was it I thought it was I have the ring of fire down the rate of fire podcast Ring of Fire is there another one being set up another podcast Ring of Fire. There was one that somebody was doing one because Spencer said he was doing it the other night. I guess they already did it. Oh, Abel Kirby again 45,000 said oh, man, this is it. This is the album drop here. Through Kira caster he says Dear admin Dave Merry Christmas. Today Spencer and I are

releasing our podcasting 2.0 value for value album. Our band is called Abel in the wolf and the album is called stay a while there's been a lot of buzz about it so I hope we can live up to the hype as Karen down put it in put it were quoted it as Karen down put it in a quote the hottest Christmas album drops It's Crazy Frog you can find it at freaks yes we're so this everybody involved with this thing is super weird. You can find it at ABL in the wolf calm, but it will show up in any PC

2.0 Music app should one ever be created. Just exactly what we were talking about earlier. Ah huh. Please give it a listen. Also, Adam I do still expect Album of the Year go podcasting? Absolutely. Podcast right in under the wire ladies and gentlemen released in the last week of the year, the album of the year the MVP table in the wolf. So maybe that means that we should have a an award show award. Yes, award. Here's the award show. Here's how it works. It is in fact who boost the most wins.

He's just it's just wrong. We have multiple No no, no, we have multiple categories. We have categories of booster gram jokes, booster gram tips, as in tip, a tech tip booster gram tech tip and like and then the the more you know, boost category. I like it. And then the always popular king of the hill. boosted the most of anybody else. Yes, that award. That's right. That's the one exactly like I like the album of the year though. That's pretty good.

Well, you Hello. Okay. So whoever builds this mythical directory which I just sketched out, you need the you need to have Vitaly, who's popular. And how do you measure puppet popularity? I have I have an idea. You've got the stats. Yet, so that's that's yes. This sat stats. Yep. A Chad Pharaoh gave us 333 sets and he says Welcome to this weekend radio Twitter. Okay. Thanks, Chad. Chad. Chad has a he. He's doing more marketing than I am. That's for sure.

Yeah, I think he's got an auto retweet machine we're just using everywhere now is everywhere. Another mysterious podcasting 2.0 figure that makes it so colorful. Cast Pilant gives 3300 sets and he's still fountain. He says thanks for the work. Boy. You're welcome. Thank you. 20,000 sets through from Brian mozzie. And he says, oh, that's your fountain. He says pew pew Christmas boost. Boost. Thank you, Brian. Up, sir Pete. So Pete gave us 20 Row ducks.

22,222 sat through pot friend, he says. Happy New Year. Thanks for running this great initiative. You've been an inspiration. Here's a big second ducks. Nice quack quack. We did a duck sound don't we? We need to duck boost. Yeah. Do I have a quack in my should I do not have a crack sound effect? Somebody can help us out. Yeah, put in the toolbox. Brian mozzie again with 14,851 SATs. Oh, I like it because, okay, here's this. Here's what he did the time stamp and this booster gram

is one hour, 48 minutes and 51 seconds. So he said this. Oh 1485 Nice. Yeah, that's slick. Hey, there's another thing. Automatically the boost number goes up by number of minutes. You're listening. I like that that will encourage people to do like, like 40 hour episodes. Yes. Now I don't have a duck. But I do know how to solicit duck donations. duck call, it'll always do it. You hear that? A lot around the hilltop. YES. Jimmy Vaughn and the duck calls.

Jimmy Vaughn was He who sees Stevie Ray Vaughn's brother. Yeah. Older brother. Okay, man. That's one of the biggest regrets that I have is I had a chance to see. I had a chance to see Billy Stevie Ray Vaughan. He was He came and played with Eric Clapton. Yes, that's right. In Birmingham, and this was like literally ended up being like

two months before he died and did not go to the show. I ended up I think I chose some I already had tickets and everything and I thought I ditched it for something else. And and then he died. Like, three weeks later. I was like, Ah, it's interesting. Jimmy is opening for Clapton right now. Oh, really? Yeah. Interesting. Okay, yeah. And boy that what a waste What a stupid waste. That was such a dumb helicopter. Now that you know now I'm a pilot now. I know. It was just wires

man. Puking wires locally every time. Wires What do you mean? Oh, the they lifted off from the from the concert ground and flew right into high voltage wire. Oh, man, and it's so hard to see when you're flying. That's why whenever you're flying a helicopter. Here's the more you know. When you're flying helicopter. You will see the high power lines. You'll see the towers. You always always always fly over the top of a tower. You're out of the out of the wires. Yep. Okay. Yeah,

always. Always this perfect comp and never in between them. Always over. So Brian, LASIK is 14,851 SAS and he says Hurrah for bug fixes. I agree. Yeah, yeah, maybe made it through the whole episode without freezing playback. Oh, this is running commentary. So yes, yeah. 14,851 SATs for the 14851 episode length tank. Thanks to Oscar in the fountain team. Yeah, you Brian mozzie 500 Nate stats from anonymous. He says why was six afraid of seven? Because 7890 Hey, hello

see on these on the leaderboard for the award. A joke boost joke booster gram. dad joke award. This the comic strip blogger 3333. Through pod for Andy says, first of three this week. Greetings from comic strip blogger to Dave Jones and ACX and anybody interested in artificial intelligence is welcome to subscribe and listen to the podcast called AI cooking can be found in all podcast apps and in all podcast indexes by searching for AI cooking yo,

boost. Yo. 10,000 SATs from Nick. I'm wondering if this is the Nick. This may be Oscar Mary's partner in crime. Okay, that sounds nice Nick. See the fountain app 10,000 SAS and he says really enjoyed this interview with James. Thank you Adam and Dave for all your hard work this year. Well, thank you, Nick. Thank you. Okay, 25,000 SATs from Kyle a bear. Wow, buddy. Yes, he he of boost fame. Here he is. It this is not him. Theramin need to be your wife or moose

to be the fountain app. Callay Bear says Happy Holidays from the boost guy. Yeah, much love from the intergalactic boombox, the SATs must flow. Yeah, one more time. Uh oh, this must flow. That's a dune reference this good Yeah, yeah. Let's see 49,049 SATs. This is the RT e is the fountain and he says just saw the at Jack fountain podcasting 2.0 tweet bullish on the future we're gonna make it Oh, did you see that? No. Yeah, Jack Jack Dorsey retweeted a fountain. What they found posting

that's fantastic. Hold on a second. I think it was the end of your stats thing. Wow. Hey now that's cool. Did I did I did I see this? I need to read. Oh, here it is fountain. Yeah, he he retweeted. Yeah. One of his tweet. Yeah. Nice. That's nice. Yeah. Vila gave us 1000 SATs. And he says the pod friend and he says Happy New Year. Well, Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you. Oh 1000 SATs from Nomad Joe through pod friend and he says Happy Holidays from the road. Yo manga Drive safe. Yeah. See?

Alex tree bus. Travis tree bus tree with his 20 is 20,000 sets through curio caster and he says tip ask the programmers to add a local currency in the boost button. Isn't the donators will be more aware about the Mt? They are sending? Yes up the good work? Are you are you on board with that? Well, in general, I'm a fan of you. I'll give I'll tell you what I'm a fan of. So here's a real world example. I'm reading

GGS article. And there's a natural break in this article where he's talking about value for value and if you value something, you're like it you got to get back and right there. He has a support this articles button. Did you see that? Right. Right give value back button. Yeah, so I hit the value back it pops up a QR for Bitcoin not lightning, but for Bitcoin on chain. And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna send him 50 bucks. And then I'm like, No, I'm gonna send them 100,000 Satoshis. It's

a little less than 5050 bucks. But for me to be able to see hundreds I type in 100,000 and underneath and small connect zap wallet does. It's it's a fiat currency. I think that is. I think that's very handy. And you know, who requested this the most who's always telling me it was always asking me why don't these guys put that? Why don't they got my Mo. Mo was very concerned about this. Okay, so, yeah, take that for what it's worth. I mean, I don't know go back and forth about it. It. I can't I

mean, if it helps, okay. The bottom line is if it helps adoption, help people to feel more comfortable with it. I'm good with it will help adoption tremendously. Because the only here's my reservation about it is that if you denominated in local currencies, is more likely to to arouse the ire of regulators. And people like that. I mean, like, because when you think about it in and hold on, we can't hide. We, if that's true, then we're just delaying the inevitable. Okay, well, let's say

I can say that, so. Okay. How about the web apps? Do it then? Yeah, let's see the web the web app. Okay. So you're not you're not worried about regulators. You're worried about App Store and App Store payment systems and yeah, you've been traumatized by this and you have now you now have a hang up remember that you didn't have didn't have you have mental health issues. I got a hang up it's just I'm working on it.

Back in the day, I've been triggered. I'm triggered. I just gotta hang up the head and worry about um, so I'm on a completely different tab on my browser. I've lost all context of what we're doing. We're doing donations so yes. Yeah, we were talking about the fee. I'm, I feel I love the ZAP wallet has it? You tap it's you can tap between Fiat and sometimes you can tap between Bitcoin of course, a lot of zeros after after the decimal. So I do think in SATs I do think

that way. I think it's handy to know what it really is. And so to have that underneath it for in the ZAP wallet, it's even grayed out. It does. It has no it has. It's very subjective to the to the Satoshi amount. Well, I go back Back and forth. And I just look, as long as I know roughly what Bitcoin in US dollars is, if it's the if it's 50,000 per $50,000 per Bitcoin at the moment. Yeah, that, you know, it's been I know, I'm Yeah, I know that I'm good with my standard boost amounts, I

mean, 2112, and things like that. And once it starts creeping up, like, yeah, near 70,000, I have to read and reassess. Yes, yes, yeah. Well, but I think it's, but there's that angle. But also, you know, when we said, hey, it's great that you're sending us 1000s Of SATs, but we're, you know, we were having difficulty keeping the lights on. That's just because people don't really think about it, which is good. Because you want people to see

it as a game. I mean, as a mechanism, a loop, something you can participate in. But when it comes to pure value, it's important people understand what value they're sending. And I think that kind of got lost. The other way to do it is to limit booster grams to certain amounts, which I'm not a big fan of, but you have to go with this project and this podcast, I don't think we'll ever have to do that. Because we will never

get the audience. It's not intended for the for the for an audience of massive proportion. And by the way, we have no idea how many people listen, this show no, don't care, don't know, don't don't care, I really don't care, when all I see is Sat streaming in every single minute of every single hour of the day. That's listening.

That's what you're you are on the new media show. And that's one of the things that Todd said he was like, you know, what's the biggest most important thing that every podcaster cares about every podcaster? And his answer was growth. And enlight. And I said, No, what the hell is that? What is growth? Yeah, that's what you said, you're like, what does that even mean? But as long as you have the income you need to pay to pay your bills, and the things are good, and you're going in

the right direction. You're not tanking. Like, why does it matter? How many, it only matters in the context of advertising? Yep. And if that's what it means, that's where you want to go, that's fine. But you're hitching yourself to that horse and when you're staying up all night worried about your growth? That's a good point. We're worried about booster grams. Exactly. Or you just walk around the house and you're like, you know, I wonder how the podcast is, oh, I'm sorry. It's doing

just fine. People are listening. 5000 sets from C dubs through the breeze app. And he says thanks for the value. C dubs Thank you see. One more of the one more chemistry blogger. I was waiting for the for the the hat trick. The trifecta says third of this week greetings from chemistry blogger to Dave Jones and AC and anybody interested in artificial intelligence is welcome to subscribe and listen to the podcast called AI cooking that can be found and

I love pod. I love comics for bloggers been in my life longer than you've been in my life. But he always does this kind of stuff. It's like to just send us 10,000 SATs and we'll make a big deal out of your podcast and now he's now it's just gonna be three times we read the same message. That's I understand that from an engineering standpoint, that's how advertising works. Repeat the message. Long message to repeat that. I think that works better on like

jingles. One 804 You know, like cars for killing it works better with a well the paragraph. Right? So we appreciate it. I'm just suggesting it's just a creative note. Is this all it is? Search for a cooking yo yo and monthly donors. That's our booster greens monthly donors. Charles current $5 Michael Goggin $5 Sean McCune $20 Christopher Raymer $10 James Sullivan $10 Do quotes $6.66 Dred Scott $15 drib the machine Michael Kimmer $5.33 Leslie Martin $2 Jeff Miller $20 Pedro

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keep that size up. I'm liking your size that means hasn't heard that. Yeah. And you know, I think I can figure out this tally coin QR code and I can just hand it off to you. I know I know you're strapped for time. Next I've got plenty of time today as I'm as I'm you know flopping on the couch. I all I want you to do is, is get under the covers have some chicken soup, a little bit of Scotch scotch.

Somebody else. Twitter said the other day, I thought the cure for a cold was chicken soup in bed rest and not communism. How have you seen the latest this? Okay, just as let's do some political stuff. Dave, this will be funny. Have you seen the latest trend on Twitter? CDC says? Yes. Larry, I this is this is you know what's happened here is people are all of a sudden the scales are falling from their eyes. Yeah, a biblical

reference, I believe. And they are freaking it when that CDC dropped that thing from 10 days to five days. It did the Yeah, Twitter collectively lost his MA. CDC says Red Bull doesn't give you wings. So go ahead and jump off that bridge and does give you wings and go ahead and jump off that bridge. CDC says you can start at 69 bottles of beer on the wall. That's funny. Let's see. He says my CDC says go ahead and mess around with Jim The CDC recommends neither milk nor lemon should be added to

Earl Grey tea. CDC says Just rub some dirt on it. I mean, this is this is so funny. This is this is where you this is what it's like to lose control of the narrative. Oh, yeah, it's it's out of control. It's Oh, I heard it. I heard it. That was a 10 set boost. For no agenda. From Dean Neil. Oops. Well, you know what you're gonna have to have you're gonna have to filter. That's great. No, no, no. A panel a screen in in the in the bunk in the bunker in the podcast, but Scuse me?

Do you want me to feel bad? Do you want me to send you a picture? Because I know Yeah, sure. Remember, I'm not running it on an anvil or pi. I'm running it on a Surface Pro six. Oh, so it's in there? Oh, yeah. Oh, no, when the booster Graham was. So I have. I have it loaded now on the machine here in front of me because I can just hit the IP address. So I so so when it hits here, and then it hits the sound board. I have one over by so I have a big monitor like a

huge, crazy thing. And I got the Bitcoin chart. I've got my times and I actually have the fediverse open, which is basically flashing porn. Enemy porn all day. And it's kind of cool. I love that because it refreshes automatically when something new comes in. And sometimes you catch a news item. Oh, that's interesting. And then to the right of that is like my scrolling news ticker. And then to the right of that is the Surface Pro six and right front and center is the is heli pad.

Awesome. I'll make a picture. Yeah, yeah, I want I want to see the commandcentral. Yeah. CDC, CDC says you can put pizza pineapple on pizza. Haha. Good. I'm glad. I'm glad that's finally settled. Breaking news, CDC announces is now acceptable to talk about fight club. I want to hear about the test scam thing. They're gonna put a new firmware. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so I had a great call with Did I talk about the call I had with Tascam with Japan?

Yeah, you told me about that. But then you said they may be doing like a firmware release, and then maybe hardware? And yeah, so um, so William got back to me. And he said, Adam, you know, great news, we had a firmware release. And, you know, there's a couple things in here, I know you like, which is now you can put the effects on all microphones. Now, I had asked not for all microphones, but for all channels. So I'm not sure if it'll also be on the USB. And he says you can now also regulate

gain on the USB channels, which was a big problem. Of course, it really needs to be processing. He said, But all of this is just stuff that was kind of semi planned, he says for this coming year, so I'm not quite sure what it'll be called. But it'll be it'll either be mixed cast fi or mixed cast for Mark Two or whatever. He says we intend to fully implement everything you suggested. So that they get it, they get it?

Well, it's all it's old engineering guys. You know, they get it and what is so impressive about this company is that the the head of product is, I would say millennial woman who's super sharp. She trust these guys. Now she has an engineering background. So she she knows what she's talking about, but she trusts their experience. One of created, you know, old, a couple of the old boss stompboxes you know, these guys go back they go back in, in music and technology so and

she's very accepting of, of their input. And you know, no chip on the shoulder. They're very impressive. I like it. Yes, that's encouraging this occurred. I'm pumped about it. Now. This is a long road. And it was kind of interesting. Good. William said, Hey, and then you know, we can talk about and I'm like, what I want is I want to have the pod father signature addition with you know, with platinum trim or some shit like that. And I Okay, and he's,

yeah, we can look at some cross marketing opportunities. That's no money. All right. Well, so much for that. It doesn't matter. We'll get the box. I just want the box. I really do. But so the bucks and then you have to buy it with with lightning. You have to buy with us. Yeah, yeah. So that's now says that Whitney Houston does not want to dance with I could do this. Believe me, the curry household is doing it all morning. Oh, look at this. And you have to be at the other side of the room

just laughing my what is it? What does the CDC say? Alright, hey, this is the last show of the year. Dave. It's been a it's been a phenomenal year. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for your partnership. Thank you for your courage. And, and your your your time, talent and treasure because you're putting it in just equally, if not more than most. Yeah, but it's been it's been a joy. Man, it's been great doing

this with with you for going on two years now. And we're going we're gonna pair a year and a half and we get I mean, 2022 I feel like things are gonna get even more interesting. Like, because we may my my plan is, you know, at least in January is to start working on the podcast or wallet and wiring it up to to our Elon pay node and trying to get trying to get some stuff go and where people can just onboard.

Yes. And also thank you to Eric, Eric Mackey, who's more silent than anything in the partnership but he's he's keeping us honest, keeping us in on track and a lot of stuff that he's been thinking about and working on will come to bear in the with the wallet side. Yeah, particularly for reporting statistics, extraction, etc, etc. So usually I'll throw something into the signal and into the signal chat and then I know if if Eric does not come back and shoot it down immediately. They're good to go.

Exactly. Okay, we made it Yeah, perfect. All right, everybody. Thank you all all members of the board as well. For a fantastic year. 2022 Who knew who the heck knows but it's gonna be a fun ride. It always is. And we'll see you next week the first one of the new year podcasts into porno. Have a great weekend, everybody take care? You been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.com for more information. Cool.