Episode 241: RSS NutJobs

Podcasting 2.0 for November 7th, 2025, episode

241, RSS Nutjobs. Hello, warriors. Always wanted to say that. Hey, podcast nerds, it's time for the board meeting of Podcasting 2.0. That's right. This is where everything that's happening in podcasting gets discussed, and then some, even some philosophy from time to time. We are, in fact, the only boardroom that moves mountains without lifting a finger. I'm Adam Curry, here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country, and in Alabama, the man who is now well-known everywhere.

Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. Dan Jones. I'm dot well-known. That would have been better, the man who is dot well-known. Oh, crap. I almost want to do it over, but I won't. Dot well-known. I always try to catch you off guard, and you're too fast for me. You never get tripped up by a sudden rip. You know, so yesterday, I tried something. Let me see if I can play it for you. Hold on a sec.

We did, you know, we do no agenda, and it always starts with Dvorak saying, hit it.

And let me see if I have it here. Yeah, so we said, hit it. And I did this. Adam Curry, John C. Dvorak. Next Thursday, November 6, 2025, this is your award-winning Gitmo Nation Media Assassination, Episode 1814. Whoa, what? This is no agenda. Who's that? Slinging slop and broadcasting live from the heart of the Texas Hill Country in FEMA Region Number Six. In the morning, everybody, I'm Adam Curry. Who is that? That is the Eleven Labs version of Adam Curry. That's horrible.

It's so odd, because you can prompt it like three times with the same text, and it comes up with different versions. That's the problem. It comes up with different versions every single time. There's no consistency. Yeah, it's like the temperature or whatever. Yeah, well, and they have their new version three model. You can add tags in parentheses, so you can say excited or intense. Oh, or a surfer. No, I haven't tried surfer.

But I think there was, at one point, I had like one sentence, and I'm like, that sounds exactly like me. And what's interesting is I sampled it from the No Agenda show. So it has all my compression, and it has all of that built into it, which is really interesting. Somewhere there must have been a little bit of a sound or a music bed or something, because that pops up from time to time as part of my voice.

Like a Manhattan project, where you've got a head sticking out of the ship or something. It's hallucinating while it's doing the generation, which is just a problem, because there's no consistency. You can't really use it for anything. It's annoying to me with 11 laps, because you find something that's almost just right, and then if you regenerate it again, you get something completely different. Completely different. Yeah. You're like, man, that was so close.

If I could take the first part of that and just tweak this one thing, but you'll never get it back. It's a goner. That's the other problem. You can't get it back. You can't like... Yeah, let me see. So if I do fast and excited... Let me see. Hold on. Okay. So I did fastest and excited as some of the prompts here. Let's see if this works. Okay. Here we go. Short one sentence. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? Gross. That's horrible. Let's try the other version.

Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? Hyperventilating. Is that one of the tags you use? No, just let's try excited again. Let's try a different version. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? Hey, Dave. You put boner as one of the tags, didn't you? Let me do... What shall I do? Give me another... What should we say? We'll do... Catastrophizing. Intense. Let's see what happens if I do intense. All right. Prepubescent ad. Let's try this one. Let's see what pops up.

Hold on. Here we go. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? Gross. But do you hear my room? Do you hear the echo of my room? It's all in there. That's the part that I find interesting. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? No. No. No. That's so terrible. Let me try sexy. Let me try that and then we'll quit. Just want to try that last one. Here we go. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? Oh, man. Are you turned on now or what?

Hi, Dave. Wait for this one. Wait for this one. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? That's a keeper. That's a keeper. I'm saving that one. Yeah. Hey, Dave. I love the subtle addition of vocal fry. That's so gross. I'm crying. I'm literally crying. Hold on. I'm going to save that one. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple Podcast? I'm crying. That is flaming too. This feels just like getting hit on. But that's my point. That probably costs 11 labs $80 or something.

I don't know. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You just heated up a GPU for 20 minutes. What is the future of this going to be? What is it going to be? I mean, if I could at least get it to consistently reproduce that gay, sexy voice, that would be cool. But there's no I don't think there's any way to say, yeah, this one, these settings, because I haven't found it because say, this is it. This is this is exactly what I want. Which is which is weird, because it's like the the.

At its core, an LLM is completely discreet, it's it's what do you call it? Deterministic, like if you have the temperature at zero and you don't introduce any randomness, it should literally give you the same output every time. But nobody does it that way because it drops the illusion. Right. And that's what they and the whole thing is built on illusion is smoke and mirrors.

And if you don't have the the the the randomness, then you don't get you don't start to feel the magic that this thing is actually a person. Quote, unquote, magic. Well, here I gave. How cool is the chapters in Apple podcast? OK, so so that's now now because there's one slider, creative or robust. And it says if you put it all the way on robust, it should be precise, stable and predictable. Hi, Dave. How cool is the chapters in Apple podcast?

OK, so does it actually give you the same thing every time now? Well, let's try something else. Hi, Dave. OK. Future. People, I can't spell. I mean, you're going to be able to do before if you keep getting better at this, you're going to be able to produce like a couple of thousand episodes a week of this and just get in on that. I don't think on that money train, on that dynamic ad insertion money train. Oh, yeah. OK, here we go. See if it comes out predictable. OK, new one.

We've got something new. Here we go. Hi, Dave. In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla for podcasting 2.0. Yes, they will. I should say 2.0. OK, now let's try that again. See if it's consistent. Hi, Dave. No, it's not in the future. Adam Carolla for podcasting 2.0. And it gives me two versions again. Hi, Dave. In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla for podcasting 2.0. What is that? This sounds like a multiple personality disorder.

That was two different people in the same voice file. I love the opening. Hi, Dave. And then it goes into something totally different. And that's and that's the problem. That's that is if you could reproduce my voice the way I think it's it sounds good enough predictably, that would be fine. Well, that one started with like a like

a horny gay guy and ended up with Sam Elliott. It was completely different from start to finish. Let me hear that one again. Hi, Dave. In the future, people will thank Adam Carolla for podcasting 2.0. See, that last part is pretty good. Yeah, but you have to suffer through the beginning to get to the end. I don't know what to make of it. Hey, anyway, isn't that nice? We knew we kind of knew it was going to happen, but it's nice that it happened.

It's just all I care about really is seeing podcast colon chapters. Yes, it's a it's a beautiful implementation. Just I mean, it's just as elegant and nice as transcripts. Yeah, I really think I mean, they did a good job and and I've got questions, you know, about the implementation and how it's going to roll. Well, isn't that how it's like how it's actually going to deliver? Isn't it the same as transcripts that you have to go in and explicitly tell them you want to use your chapters?

Yeah. Which which how do I so I have a couple of shows on RSS.com and it just says submit everywhere and you click on the boxes you want it to submit to. And I have no Apple Podcast Connect for my RSS for we get to do this, for example, my podcast. I don't I don't have a Apple Podcast Connect login. I even I don't even think I can. I know what my credentials are for for my original Apple Podcast Connect. So how do I do that?

How do I go in the last time you when's last time you logged in to Apple Podcast Connect? Maybe let me see 20. It was trying to figure out what year it was. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Show 1000. I think around show 1000 of no agenda because I switched away from Mac when they started screwing up USB. They had this whole period where USB was pretty broken. Yeah. And so that has to be. 2010, 2011. Who spends more time tweaking your Apple podcast account, you or Ted?

Well, well, case in point, podcasting 2.0. I never added it to Apple. We don't even know who did that. I don't know. Whoever whoever did that, could you please turn on chapters and transcripts? And so my next question is the way our cloud chapters work. The ones that I do is I put in one chapter to start with just one chapter marker and then Dreb Scott like that. And then Dreb Scott goes in when he's listening to the show and then he adds the chapters.

And so it really can take anywhere from 10 minutes to five days, you know, whenever whenever he gets to it. Does that refresh on Apple podcast? Does it update? Do they even accept it if it's only one chapter? These are the things that I don't know, but it's kind of critical because I think there's also people. Well, no, I know there's people who are crowd crowdsourcing their chapters and they add over time as kind of like the old. What was that music service that I guess is still around?

What's the. My SoundCloud SoundCloud, yeah, SoundCloud, you know, you could comment and it would, you know, put a little marker, basically a chapter marker in the timeline of your SoundCloud SoundCloud player. So I know there's some implementations of that. I think no agendashow.net might have a version of that or had it at one point. SoundCloud comments is what it is. Yeah. So does that carry through? Does that update? Do they cash it? I mean, these are the questions I have.

That's a good question. You're welcome. Thank you for delivering. Yes, I like I like asking good questions, sound good questions, but I really don't know what the but ultimately doesn't matter. That's their implementation. I'm just tickled that there's been so much negativity around this ragtag group of this orchestra of monkeys that has been working on this for five years now. We're in our sixth year and, you know, the Apple hasn't implemented any of it.

In fact, I was I was I had to repent for this, but I will play it anyway. In the super secret, super secret WhatsApp group. Oh, yes. This this thing that I always hear about. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, the feed the podcast, the feed closed. Oh, did it? Yeah. I think Elsie left Lipson and I'm not I'm not sure what happened. It doesn't really matter. I mean, but they were they had a couple of very negative episodes about if you recall, we discussed it here in the board meeting.

Oh, you had a person you had a chat with. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I had a chat with him. Yeah. I remember he was he was. Yeah. I'm hiring a dedicated podcasting 2.0 person who I have not seen yet on the mastodon, but I'm sure it's coming any day now. Any day now. So I posted one day after Apple announces its second major tag adoption from our ragtag group. The feed folds a quick flashback clip. And yes, and yes, I know that Rob poopooed podcasting 2.0 because Apple doesn't support it.

Oh, I had to repent. That was unnecessary. The. And James on Power Power said this is not a success story for. I heard that. He's like, what are you talking about? This is not a win. But in the same show, he basically said that he wrote it all up and then Apple made his implementation. So congratulations, James. Good job. Good job, James. Somewhere in all this pod love, I think, is forgotten. You know, this is this is iterations upon iterations.

It's not like it's one person or one thing, you know, pod pod love is the redheaded stepchild of chapters. Yeah. I feel sorry for those guys because they were so they were so early with a, you know, with a with with a format that was able to be more easily dynamically updated and people just always ignored them. It's not fair. But no, it's not. It's not. You know, but I don't really care about, quote unquote, a win or anything like that. I mean, it's like, who cares?

But the thing that the thing that I that that I like the fact that it's just it's just like the transcript you get, it's the right way to do it. It's the right way to do it. I don't want I care nothing about people just like following our spec and saying, well, it's only valid if you only implement the spec and don't do it in any other way. That's that's like I don't understand anybody who would feel that way.

What what they've done is the thing that makes a lot of sense for their customers, of course, and for their listeners. And I wish every Molly, I just wish that every app had the ability to do this. But it's expensive. Oh, you know, exactly. And it reminded me of early on. We were talking about cross app comments and Martin. Remember Martin from Pod Friend, one of the one of our early warriors who got taken out, you know, had taken out by the Swedes who attacked Denmark and took him out.

I'm not sure what happened exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Era right through the chest. Yeah. Poor guy. But, you know, he had he had that idea. You know, he said, hey, if we're going to do cross app comments, I want to make sure that that it's that everybody can comment on every podcast that they can get in pod friend when he had the right mindset. But there was no there was really no way to facilitate that other than him just running his own comment server.

And that's that's obviously going to be pretty overbearing. And that doesn't seem to be any any real motivation for it at all. I think the cross part was more exciting than the comment part. And we have so many cross platform kind of things happening. My my read on my read on what Apple is doing, and I want to make some commentary about just Apple podcast and what the team is. OK, let me announce you that. Hi, Dave. OK, go ahead. Can you never again? I'm banning that from the show.

I can't help it. It's not in my system. It's in my system. I want to I want to see what Apple podcast auto generates for chapters for this based on all of that. Hi, Dave. Hi, Dave. It's going to have like a third host in here. And I'm kind of, you know, third voice speaker, speaker three, speaker three. Yes. But in general, I think that James may have missed the point.

I feel like he may have missed the point in the same way that he missed the point about the podcast TXT record, you know, in the last couple of years, Apple's podcast team has added more podcasting namespace, more podcast namespace tags than they have iTunes namespace tags. And let me just stop you there for a second, because Daniel J. Lewis is saying something in the troops are in the boardroom. He's saying, well, you know, they already had chapters that this is this is not the point.

The point is the namespace recognition. That's what matters to me once. I mean, we are in the door now. The namespace is in Apple's ecosystem. That is much bigger than how it surfaces on the top. In my mind, you're in your thoughts. I do your thoughts. This is this is this is my this is my point to this is my point. Exactly. You you echo you echoed my thought process, which is it's what the bigger takeaway from this is not a particular feature, any one particular feature. It's that.

And I made this point when when podcast when Apple podcast adopted podcast TXT record for verification purposes. The to me, the bigger thing this says is that Apple is now looking to adopt

a community, a an open source community focused approach to their feet, to their features. They they're saying for for all these features we're doing in the past, we would just do something proprietary and we would just do it and we would just shove it out there and say, here's what we're doing. Everybody has to adopt this. Yeah. Yes. They're not doing that anymore. Right. What they're doing now is they're saying, OK, here's a feature we want to implement.

Is there already a community based, an open source prior art, if you will? Maybe not the right use of the term, but is there already an existing open source namespace standard that we can that we can join into this thing that we're already doing, that we're one that we want to do so that we're both so that we get to do the feature the way we want it to be and at the same time, stay compatible with what the community is doing. Yeah. The open source.

And to me, that is a sea change in the way it is. It is. It's saying, OK, we're we we are going to listen and we're watching what is happening in the in the open source RSS world. And we're going to make sure that what we do also plays nice with what you guys are doing. You can't overlook that. That's a huge deal. It is. It's a huge deal because that that gives us confidence as as open RSS, you know, just are just RSS. Don't say open RSS. I don't.

Yeah, that just gives that gives us as confidence as RSS. Tinkerers and tinkerers, RSS tinkerers, vibe coders and, you know, and crazy experimenters to know that what we're doing, we're not just writing a spec in a vacuum and then throwing that out there and in like pod love 20

years from now, it's still not going to be, you know, ever be acknowledged. No, it what it changes my focus to say, OK, let's make sure these specs that we're working on are super tight. And I've got some idea, you know, I've got an idea about that in regards to the chapter spec that I want to talk about. OK, well, why don't we launch? Yeah, right. Eric PP, RSS nut jobs. Yeah, nut jobs. Show title. OK, thank you. But, you know, I think that I think that's the biggest takeaway.

And it was, you know, I was listening to Accidental Tech this week and Marco made a I was I noticed that he had made a comment about the chapters. Oh, what did he say? I mean, nothing specific, but but one thing he said is he said, well, he said he's he said that Spotify's podcasting surge over the last few years has. He credits that Spotify getting into podcasting with lighting, you know, lighting a fire under Apple podcast team. I think that's probably fair to say.

I completely disagree with that. I don't think that has anything to do with it. I really don't think that. I don't think that the Apple podcast team cares much about what Spotify is doing. I mean. Because it's not that sort of relationship. The Apple podcast and Spotify are not really competitors. Now, Apple Music and Spotify are competitors. You know, that's true. YouTube and Spotify are competitors. There are they. Spotify has natural competitors.

But I think Apple podcast is way out on the edge of what you could call competition from Spotify. I don't think that I do not credit Spotify with pushing Apple podcasts to make a bunch of changes or make or add a bunch of new features. I credit a reinvigoration of RSS. Well, I'd much I'd much rather credit that for sure. But I'm not. The funny thing is when who was the guy that was running the podcast group before he left to create that dynamic news service?

Which I don't know if that went anywhere. Oh, Spooler. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Spooler guy. I forgot his name. Spooler CEO. Is it John John? No, it's a Spooler dot FM Boggs. They go. James Boggs. James Boggs. Yes, that's it. I had this big chat with him. Yeah. And you told him subscriptions were stupid. Yeah. Well, that was their whole focus. I said, dude, look at everything we're doing. Look at all the join the train.

And I mean, come on, subscriptions is not making a dent in an Apple's bottom line at all. If anything is probably more hassle for them. You know what I mean? So it's just the customer service or customer support, if any. I just I. Well, it's always the bear in the in the in the boardroom is saying Spotify and Apple podcasts are competitors in Europe. When people are thinking about finding a new podcast, they go to Spotify, they go to Spotify.

But see, I've got to clear this up right now because this is going to be a misunderstanding of what I'm saying. That's not what I mean when I say competition. I'm talking about financial competition. Apple podcast is not a money making endeavor. I am. All right. I'm with you. I'm all in on that then. Yes, I'm all in.

Apple podcasts could have never added another feature for 20 years and they would still just continue to exist inside of the Apple fortress forever because it's not a it's a profit center for Apple in that regard. Spotify is not their competitor. What what Apple podcast is is unique. Really, in the in the whole. In the whole, you know, the whole world of of media and mobile devices and that kind of thing, it's a very unique animal.

And and what I'm what I'm saying is I think Apple podcast team has caught over the last few years has caught the fire of just a renewed vigor inside of RSS. You know, feature development, because I'm not it's not it's not just us, it's every it's there's there's new stuff happening outside of just podcasting. No, but that's hard to believe now. But but like there is a there really is a renewed focus over the last five years in now.

Now you could say, OK, now you could say is this may be a. This may be true. That Spotify came in and wanted to make everything proprietary and suck in and almost go to war with with with RSS. And that spurred people to want to make open alternatives in open namespaces and that kind of thing. And therefore, that may have sparked the fire that then bled over into teams like Apple podcast to say, OK, now look at all this stuff going on in the RSS community.

We can take some stuff from that and we can participate with that may be true, which is in an odd way. It is exactly the way Steve Jobs started the podcast journey because he invited me to come speak with him privately for an hour. And he and he was interested in community stuff. He wanted to know how we were recording. Were we using Max? What were the issues? How about storage bandwidth? All he had all of these questions, including how to make money.

And literally the only thing he wanted from me was for me to say, yeah, that's

cool, Steve. Put it into iTunes. It was already in there, but he didn't need to have my permission. And he knew that, but he saw the community drive. And I think that was unique, maybe at that moment in time. For him or for Apple, certainly, so I like that. And if you look at the original iTunes spec, there's, you know, there's all kinds of, you know, my name's in there. Dave Weiner's in there.

There's some historical pieces in there as they added to their, you know, as they added the iTunes namespace. So somewhere it's still in there. Hold on a second. I got, I got to do this. Hold on. RSS is okay. Let's try this. See how this sounds. You're at full on addicted now. RSS is in their DNA. RSS is in their DNA. Yeah. It's not very sexy. Charlie Rose. Yeah. Not very sexy, but yeah. So it's still in their DNA. And I think we revived these molecules and, and I think it's exciting them.

Honestly, I think it's exciting them because they need to go, they need to, um, they need to present I'm sure to some Starfleet command, like, Hey, we're going to spend resources on this and we're going to do this. And for them to be able to say, well, look at, uh, the adoption rate and there's hundreds of thousands of feeds that are already using this tag. Thank you. Buzzsprout RSS.com. Um, who else is a blueberry. Yeah. Blueberry. Um, is, is, uh, is, is pod bean. Are they on board pod bean?

Yeah. Yeah. Pod bean. And, uh, who else am I thinking? Yeah. So thank you. I mean, that's, that's really what, what made it, what makes it all work is when the hosting companies go, okay, we're going to add this, that real, that's what makes it all happen. And so they can, they can say to their, to their, uh, uh, to their next level of management, look, there's, there's a, there's a, there's an opportunity here for us that we can take advantage of and we want to spend our cycles on this.

And I'm sure that's how it gets approved. And I love that. I think my, my take on my read on, on Apple in this regard is that every, you know, the people at Apple, the employees at Apple, the executives, they listen and love pod. They listen to and love podcasts and they want, and they also are obviously iPhone users and they want their product that they use every day to be better, to have a top notch podcast player built into it.

And they know it's not going to make a, they know it's not gonna make money, but it's, it's what they want for their own product to be. It would feel, it would feel like less of a product if Apple podcasts was not there in it. And I think Apple podcasts, that's the role they play within Apple and within the device is that it makes the, they feel like it makes the device more valuable and more valuable. Yes. Yes. And more valuable and they themselves use it.

So that's when I see them developing these features, that's what, that's what it feels like to me. It feels like they're developing it for themselves first and you can't just, you can't just live in a vacuum. All right. Listen to me, Apple podcast team, wouldn't you love to support a podcast by hitting a button that says support this podcast?

It could either, it could either go directly to the place where the podcast puts it and the URL and the funding tag, or think of this, it could integrate with Apple pay. Wouldn't you love to be able to do that? Wouldn't that feel good? Develop it now. It's in your DNA. It's in your DNA. Hi Dave. Yeah. I think you convinced him. I mean, that's a, that was such a natural pitch. Ted is there and he's like, all right, I'm on it. I've got my deck ready.

No, he feels like he got cornered in the elevator by some creepy guy. I wish we could have Ted or someone from the team on the show. That would be so much fun. I know. I've, I've asked, I don't think that that's going to happen. Did you even get a reply? You didn't get a reply. Yeah. I got a courteous, I got a courteous reply. Yes. Oh, which was like, uh, maybe not this year. Yes. It was, it was, it was a courteous, uh, you know, demure, a courteous, no, no, but that's, yeah.

And I'm, I'm, I think that it's, I think I got encouraged by this in just a different way. I mean, and that my questions about it are, are this, if I have, if I'm subscribed to a, if I'm subscribed to a feed that's private, um, then like a subscription only feed, do I, do I get transcripts and chapters also in that? I don't know. I mean, am I going to get those chapters? Say that again.

So if, if I have a private feed, like something like a members only thing where you get one of the special feeds just for you, will that also get chapters? Because this is, I've mentioned it before. My biggest pet peeve is that I pay for two podcasts from Twit for my job, security now and windows weekly. I'm a member, I'm a Twit member, uh, paying for the, for that reason.

But I, I still don't get chapters and transcripts and the whole point of having the whole point of them not having chapters is they don't want you skipping the ads, but I'm not, I don't get the ads anyway. Right. So give me chapters. I want this desperately because sometimes, Oh, you just have to wade through, you know, an hour of content that you don't care about to get to, you know, to get to the parts that are relevant to you. And it's just painful.

Sometimes, you know, on a three hour podcast, trying to find out, you know, where to go. It's that, that's my first question. And then my second question is what you said is how does it update if the

chapters are dynamically changing? Is there an update mechanism that happens? That's, that's, and I do have this now, the, the comment about, um, yeah, and yeah, I know that Nathan, I'm just saying that like the Twit members only feeds don't have ID three chapters. They don't have any chapters at all. And I'm hoping that the Apple podcast app will done could auto create them. So that's what, that's kind of what I'm hoping for.

But so the question arises about dynamically inserted ads and the chapters file staying in sync with that. Oh yeah. That's a big one. That's a big one. Like if you have, if your show has set slots in it that get filled, then that's not as big of a deal.

But if it's not, if it can have, uh, if it can have that, you know, slots that don't always get filled, then, uh, what James said is right is sometimes you're going to get, sometimes you could get a chapters file that doesn't necessarily match the enclosure you are delivered. Right now, you know, if your chapters are in this, this affects all chapters except MP3 embedded chapters. But we know that MP3 embedded chapters also have drawbacks. So there is no winners here.

There's, there's pros and cons to all of this. You know, hold on. Uh, you, you hit my magic button, man. Oh, there are no, there's no winning. We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere, but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug and share a secret. Yeah, baby. Okay. So let's hug and share a secret. The secret is I think that we can, I think that we could tweak this and make and deliver a chapters URL in an HTTP header when the enclosure is delivered.

So if we had something like just jump spitball in here, I just kind of was thinking about this earlier. If when the enclosure is delivered, if you also in that, um, in that enclosure delivery, if you had a way to say like X, X dash chapters, URL as a header with a link to a chapters file that has been modified to accommodate the, the, the offsets, the proper offsets for that, for that dynamically adjusting enclosure, that could be a solution to it. Um, I don't know.

I'm curious to see what people think about that. Yeah. I mean, isn't this ultimately a hosting company issue? I mean, do we need to fix it that way? I mean, first of all, it's an issue of the, it's an operator issue. I want dynamically inserted ads. Okay. Well pay the Piper. You've got a problem. Yeah. I mean, it's not, it's not a, that created the problem, not the, not the, uh, the chapters or the transcript spec.

It was, you know, dynamically insert ads, just like just threw it in and no one was thinking about, you know, the downstream effects. Oh yeah. You know, that's For somebody like Buzzsprout where they insert what, so your, your enclosure is going to get a certain set of ad insertions stitched into it sort of, sort of ahead of time. They can make those adjustments. And so those chapters files stay in sync.

If you have somebody if you have a company that's doing just like truly wild west on the fly, you request an enclosure and it creates a unique enclosure for you at that very moment. That's where it gets difficult. Um, I don't, I don't know how prevalent that is over this sort of pre-rendering of it.

I don't have visibility into that, but you know, I know that, I mean, I know it's large and it's, I would have to imagine that dynamically adjusting the enclosures, just, just looking at the number of feeds in the index and which hosts those are attributed to. Um, it's, I would not say that, I don't think it's clear that there's one that happens more than the other. I don't know. I don't know what Spreaker does.

I don't know if they stitch it together at the time that they get request happens or if they sort of, you know, pre rent, if they pre-rendered those too, I don't know. Um, Nathan's saying something. He said, the fact I've never encountered a DAI podcast with ID3 chapters tells me it will never happen. Yeah. You know, that's, that's the thing is that these, that there is no perfect chapter solution. The MP3 embedded chapters have drawbacks. The, you know, Podlove chapters have drawbacks.

Cloud chapters have, uh, 2.0 chapters have, I mean, they, to me, the, the 2 .0 spec to me at least kind of hits the middle of the road where there's, where the pros and cons sort of balance themselves out in the best way. I think the other solutions have, have a con that is more severe than the 2 .0 chapters.

And I think that may be why Apple decided to go with that spec is because it really does just sort of kind of, it, it, it doesn't suffer the, it does have cons, but they're just not as severe as the other ones. And because the, the, the ID3, you know, the embedded ID3 chapters, those things are a pain in the butt, you know? I mean, it's like sticking to embedding images directly into an audio file. That's things like that.

And, and just having to do all that, that, that is, it's not having to re -encode your audio every time you want to put a different chapter marker in. I just, I don't know. It's just goofy. So I think that those, um, I think that that's why, uh, that's why they probably did that is because the, the, the downsides are just not as steep, um, in the absence of a per, of a truly perfect spec.

Let's, let's, let's, I mean, after, after dealing with value for value stuff all week, we can clearly say that there are no perfect specs here. Yeah. No kidding. No kidding. But we, but we do have a LN address now for the index. I actually, I, uh, I changed it for our live and I will change it for the, um, uh, for this episode. It's podcast index. I think you need to change the feed too, Adam. What do you mean? It's like in the, the, the value block in the feed is the channel itself.

I'm not following you. Cause I was seeing the other day that, uh, yeah, see, we still have the node address in the, in the value block that's in the channel. Uh, hold on. Oh, that's a good point. Well, I, I haven't changed the, I only changed for this live episode. I figured this is exactly why I didn't do any more because I figured Dave will tell me what to do. Let me see. Uh, yes, there it is. So let me change that. By the way.

Thank you. Stephen B, uh, Stephen B now has a little warnings in, um, sovereign feeds, which I've been using for years now. Uh, sovereign feeds.com. There's a little, there's a little warning next to each, uh, value block entry and says, please update to use Ellen address. Oh, nice. So I'm going to do that right now. Ellen address. And I changed that to podcast index at get lb.com. The stay safe sage also needs to change in there too. To be me. What are you? David get lb.com. Okay. Hold on.

There's also Saturn test. I think Saturn's dead. Yeah. Hold on a second. Uh, what, what is your, your Ellen, your Ellen address? What is it again? David get lb.com. You're just Dave. Wow. Get lb.com. Okay. Fixed. Um, booster gram monitor. That's I need to change that. Uh, Dreb Scott needs to change. Oh, I forget what he is. I'll check that in a second. I'll remove the Saturn test. Cause that's dead. Yeah. That's toast. Uh, fountain boost bot. I think that's, isn't that boost bot at,

uh, fountain.fm. That sounds right. Boost bot at fountain.fm. Okay. So those are the ones I can change right now. Let me just double check. Hold on one second. What is, uh, Dreb? Dreb is, uh, Dreb Scott at get lb. Okay. That makes sense. So back here, this is Stephen B. You've created such a beautiful piece of software, brother. I hope this thing always stays in my life. So I want, I want to, uh, I'll briefly like run down what I did this week. Okay. With regards to this.

So I, I initially, I dove in and I was like, okay, I'm going to set up a, I'm going to set up an Albi hub on the, uh, PayPal server. And then that will connect with our, with the, with the podcast index node. Sexy. And the, for reasons for sysadmin reasons, I decided not to do that. Tell me about it. What it's in your DNA. I got into it and I could, well, first of all, I did initially set it up that way. And then I found out that you, you can only get channels to your Albi hub.

Like even if you said I was, even if you set it up that way, excuse me, I'm, I'm trying to, I'm trying to get my thoughts clear. If you set it up that way, I was concerned about the security of having that thing directly linked to our node and also having an open port on the, on that server. Yes. I don't, I don't understand. You know, I don't, I don't know what is going on with, with Albi's code in the Albi hub.

If it has, if it has a flaw in it or a vulnerability in that thing's running directly on our node with a pipeline into Ellen, into our L not directly on our node, but directly on our servers with a backend pipeline to our node, some kind of vulnerability could just, you know, drain us. Anything could happen. Yeah. Good point. Yeah. It just seemed too risky. So then I went to, okay, okay.

Well, I was like, well, we could do cloud hosted node with Albi and let them run the, run the node, the Albi hub. But then. Oh, there's all kinds of issues with liquidity. Yeah. The liquid, I saw you, you have to buy a channel. Yes. And, and that's, and, and that channel is, I think initially outbound only, I think. Yeah. I don't think it's a balanced channel. It's all one side. Yeah. It's one sided. You were exactly right by that.

And so I was, I was like, well, you know, it's, it just really seems like not cool to have to buy liquidity when we have a node sitting here with, you know, with two, you know, two point something Bitcoin on it. With a lot, with a lot of liquidity everywhere. Yes. Yeah. I mean, we have two, you know, we have a hundred and something channels on this now. I mean, we can easily open up a channel, but it doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that. So I was like, well, okay, that's not going to work.

So I was like, okay, well fallback plan. I will throw the Albi hub on a machine that I own and run. And then buy a channel and then let that, let those transactions come in. And then I will just batch send those over to the podcast index node periodically. You know, which is, which is fine. We missed, we were going to miss the metadata and the boost a gram part of it.

If things come through that way, but if, as long as we have splits, we'll still get that, that metadata info in the, in the other place. Yeah. And I do want to say that as I've been looking at this, I've been changing things around. You can log into strike on their website. And, and it actually gives you a pretty nice feed of everything that's coming in. And, and this is actually in a way it's kind of like it because if the, I'll have to log in again.

I guess they log you out after a certain amount of enact. Oh, there you go. If your, if your booster gram is short enough, it shows up entirely. So I'm looking here. So we just got a boost and I can retrieve that right from this webpage. And it says a good to see stuff being worked out. Are e-booster grams in the masto today? I'm confident that Oscar, Stephen B, Alex at all, will come up with a great solution. Alex's meta-boost proposal seems interesting.

And that was from Sir Libre and it, and it cut, it cut off the last bit, which was interesting to me, by the way, v4vmusic.com. Now what it doesn't give me is the overall boost amount. So I, I could probably reverse engineer it. So it doesn't show me that it was 22,222 sets. Yeah. But I'm going to give you like the good and all that. Well, the message comes through just purely as the message. I love Eric PP, by the way, everything is undefined.

Eric PP, that's the same as same as pod link undefined. It's like, yeah, he's got undefined in his DNA. Um, so that's too bad. Uh, that, that, you know, the, uh, that the actual full on amount doesn't come through by the way, that could of course always be, uh, put into the message, I guess. Right. But we're not that far off. At least it's coming through and strike, you know, strike. And, you know, you see the, uh, fountain. It still gives you a link.

I see a test boost from, uh, so fountain is now sending it a little bit differently. I'm getting from them. I'm getting RSS colon, colon payment, colon, colon boost. Then I get a URL, which takes me to the, the actual, almost like the TLV or all the metadata. And then I still get the message test boost, uh, creepy eyes, creepy eyes, creepy eyes. But I, but see, I don't know that it's from Oscar. That should, that should be in the, well, it's in the header that gets returned.

Um, because he, his, um, like his, his proposal, um, that he's talking about is a way for, is a way for apps to return the boost metadata. Yes. Now that, that piece is actually working because if you, yes, it is, because if you follow that link, HTTPS, let me just follow that for a second. So I'm going to, I'm going to put that link into the boardroom so people can see it. So if you follow that link, see what happens here. Um, but actually, yes, it pops up.

Wow. It even gives you a curl command for it. How about that? Yeah. And there, and there it is. Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. Code friendly. So yeah, if this, now this does not solve the, you know, the general problem of how do you, how do you specify a place to send the metadata? That's the, you know, we, that's still a job for some in a neutral way. I mean, so, so hold on a second, let me just, cause I'm the dumb guy here.

So Fountain is, they've specified a place for their app and their app is fountain.fm slash whatever, question mark, some more stuff. So, and they are telling me in the message, here's where you get the metadata. So isn't that all I need? Do I need, why do we need to specify a certain place you send it to?

If, if my app, if I'm using a different app and I send, uh, and I send a boost and that gets stored on my app server, as long as it has the same basic structure that you can retrieve it with, retrieve all the metadata. Isn't that enough? Why do we need to spend, does everyone have to send to the same place? Is that what you're saying? The, that's good for Fountain or for apps that are going to host that, that are going to take on the hosting of this data themselves.

But if you're an app that doesn't, where do, where did they send it? That's the question. Like where? Dev null. Dev zero. The, so if you, if you're an, if you're an app that wants to support sending boosts and you just are going to, and you've decided that you're going to link, and let me, I'll paint the hypothetical here. You are, um, uh, you're, you're an app that has decided that you want to just link to somebody's strike wallet and that's what you're going to use to send boosts.

So you're not supporting key send out of the gate because strike doesn't do that. You're just an, you're just calling their API. You make, you do an OAuth link over to strikes wallet. And so now you have a, now you have a linkage there and people listening to podcasts can send, uh, can send boosts to other users as long as they have an LN address. You are an, a device only app. You don't have a backend. So you're not going to be able to host payment metadata. I got it. I got it.

How, so what we need and what, what, what Oscar has given us is a way to present it back to give a URL that will then return the, the data, the return, return the metadata in a way that we can all read from the HTTP header. We also need some, a complimentary spec that will define in the feed where the metadata can be sent.

So this hypothetical app that, that locks into strike, I see, can send the boost and then also read the feed and say, here's a, here's an API endpoint that I can send this boost metadata with it. Would that not be a function of your hosting company or your hosting set up then? Uh, could be, or it could be a third party. Right. You know, uh, Albie could choose to host it or fountain could host it for other providers, for others. Right. They could do a third party deal.

Um, this could be, or you could run your roll your own. Uh, maybe it could even be put into helipads somehow. Yeah. So it could, as long as we have an A an open API, the meta boost, uh, spec is what Alex has been working on. When that, when that spec gets to be mature, then we, then I think what we have is all the P all the, we got all the pieces of the puzzle. We have a place to send the metadata and then using Oscar spec, we have a consistent way to retrieve it. Yes. Yeah.

Okay. So, so what we're doing here is basically reinventing Nostra. I don't think so. That's not the way I read this at all. No, no, no. But you could use, you could use a Nostra relay, I guess, technically, if it had an API for it. Uh, I mean, fountain already does. They've already published the spec for how to do that. Yeah. Right. But so, yeah, but no one wanted to do that. Am I just understanding that correctly?

So basically the idea of storing it on Nostra, everyone went, nah, I don't think so. So now just to summarize, Alex is working on a MetaBoost API spec. Yes. Okay. And so that will be, right. So, and so that's something that I could either roll my own cause I'll vibe code that in a day, uh, or third, you know, I can see Spurlock creating something like that and taking a piece of the split for it. For sure. Yeah. It's a good idea. Yeah. I think this all makes sense.

Which by the way, I would prefer John, I would, I would much, much rather prefer giving you some sats and you hosting it and making it work than me doing it. But you could be sovereign and do it yourself. The, um, yeah, you could. Yeah. I think that once, now that we have an LN address that we can receive things from, we can actually put in the first implementations of what this is. We can put, we can roll the meta.

We can host a MetaBoost spec API, MetaBoost API server, and then we can publish it back out using, uh, Oscars HTTP header format. Um, and I think I will, we will just, we will host this stuff as proof of spec. We, you and I podcast index. Yeah. You're going to vibe code it, baby. Hey, just give me the spec and I'm done. You have no idea what I've been doing so much now that I know what the heck is happening in my, in my code, I'm actually getting pretty good at adding a feature.

I added an entire library system to the, you know, to the your town live stream system. And, and so this, this library, it, when you go to the page, it extracts all the metadata. You can preview it. It'll tell you where it's scheduled. You can, you can delete it. It'll delete all the schedules. You can search, you can, you can, um, um, sort by any of the fields, title, artist, year, duration, folder. I did that in two hours. I was blown away.

What is, what is your, what does your back and forth process look like? I'm still missing. This is still mysterious to me. Oh, okay. I'm happy. So I, so the, your town live stream. So basically this is so everyone understands there's a streaming portion. It uses a YAML, a YAML file. The YAML file tells it what to pull and the YAML file. So the, the, that part is, has been running for weeks and weeks and weeks. That actually works pretty well. Um, it's solid.

The management part is what I've really been working on. So there's, there's really only one app. It's a flask app and, uh, the flask app has end points and the end points are called by HTML files, right? So I have manage override library studio. And so when I, when I go into, um, to create a new feature, so that would be the library feature.

I paste these, I use grok exclusively and I've been using grok expert mode, which I like because it's costing somebody a lot of money somewhere and it's costing me nothing. So I like this a lot. Um, the grok fast four beta mode. Don't try that. Because it, it, after like three iterations, it starts giving you back just pieces of code. Anyway. So here's my process. I'll say I have a streaming radio server. Uh, I have a management system that runs off of this flask app. I paste the entire code in.

Then I say, uh, I want to add to, I want to add a page similar to this one. I'll paste in the HTML code for actually one of the like studio, which is just a, it's a smaller file, paste that in. And here's what I want it to do. And then I say, give me the entire file, HTML file and rewrite the entire flask app with your changes and do this every single time that we change something or fix a bug because I suck at editing in line and it's confusing. And then it will spit back quite quickly.

Actually the initial, it'll spit back the whole flask app. It'll, it'll give me the HTML file and then I monitor the log. And if it doesn't work and this thing worked very well, almost off the bat. And so let's say, okay, I like this, but I want to change something. I'll say, you know, change this. And it'll give me back the full, if it needs to, if it needs to rewrite the flask app, it'll give me that Python and the HTML file. And I just keep doing that over and over again.

Sometimes if you go on too long, then it starts giving you back half a file. It's confused. And so then I'll just start a new session and I'll say, here's what I was working on. I need to fix this. And here's the flask app. Here's the HTML file. It usually will fix it on the first go around. Once you're, you're in this loop and it's like when you can, you can start to feel it going towards the, you need to rebuild your kernel phase. Or, you know, you need to reinstall Icecast. No, I don't.

You know, this is the stuff that I've learned. Then you just open up a new session and then it comes back pretty good. And that's how I do it. So you put, you paste in your entire flask app is what you said, but is it, is it all a single file? How do you get? Yeah, it's one file. It's one Python script. Okay. Yeah. Cause I look at my projects, like I look at the projects that I build and I'm like, I have a hundred files here. Like, how would I even? Well, you're not very efficient at coding.

Obviously, I don't know what you're doing there, Dave Jones. It's like every, you know, you, you, your classic project layout is, you know, all your classes are, you know, each class is in his own file. Modules just, it just imports stuff. I have not made any of my own, uh, modules. I'm using everything off the shelf. So let me, uh, let me tell you how many lines of code this is. Um, uh, what is the command to give? Uh, Oh, actually I can, I can do it differently. I'm sorry.

I've gotten pretty good at this. Uh, uh, web UI app, uh, w C L. Okay. 1,557 lines. How many? 1,750, 15 fits a 1,557 lines of code. And it basically loads the whole thing into memory, including the HTML pages. It's all in there just as good. And, and, uh, and it runs as a, as a service. So if I make a change, I changed the file and then I restart the service.

Cause I'm interested in this because the one, the, you know, I run into one of the things I did this week, which was, uh, I said last week, I was going to export all the, the value feeds out. So I posted that earlier today. Um, and the, uh, let's see if I can pull it up.

The exported all the feeds and along with what hosting company was hosting each feed that had a value block in it so that we could get a, a read on, you know, who needs to be contacted and in order to change Ellen addresses and that kind of thing. So, I mean, this was a, this was a simple script to write, but, and that's kind of the issue is sometimes I have a pretty simple thing I need to do.

And, but actually sitting down to write it as annoying, you know, it would, I would love to just be able to, to, to tell some sort of coding agent exactly what I want it to do and just let it, and just do, do it because I'm like, okay, this is a, this script is going to be a hundred lines long. And I just don't want to type all that stuff because I've got, I've got 10 other things I'm doing at all points of the day and I just need to get, I just need to get X, Y, Z done.

And so if I, I'm like, okay, well, I need to, I need to start taking this stuff more seriously and kind of like playing with it more so I can knock some of these easy things out. So I mean, exporting stuff out of a database, give me an example. I'm trying to help you. That's a perfect example. That's, that's a perfect example that, you know, what I want to say is, you know, write, write me a PHP script that looks like, you know, here, here's a PHP script that, that I've written.

Write one that looks that in the coding style of that, that exports all of the feeds out of the database and, and extracts the top level domain from the feed URL. Man, it doesn't. Have you tried that? I have not. Do it. Do it. Now, now I have to say, I chose Python specifically for two reasons. One, because I have written a little bit of Python in my life. So I kind of understand lots of curly brackets. And the other reason is that I know that most of this stuff is built on Python.

Most of these LLMs are, there's a lot of Python code. So it knows Python. I'm sure it does PHP fine. I mean, what you just said is, is a perfect prompt, but then I would paste your example code. And when you say in the style of this, paste it in there. Okay. Do not here, here's where I learned. Do not drag a file with code into the box and say, here's the code. At least it into the prompt. Yeah. I paste it into the prompt.

If you drag the file in, you'll, you'll realize 30 minutes later that I only read half your file. I don't have your whole file. You didn't give me a file. I didn't see any file. You had truncate stuff. Oh. And so like you, you would do like, here's, here's a script I already wrote like colon and then paste it in there and then continue your prompt. Colon, new line, paste. Okay. New line. Yeah. Yeah. Give it, just paste the whole code in there. It's, it's, it's amazing.

Today, the only times I've used it is for things where, where I'm trying to double check if I'm, if I have the right idea about the structure of something. So I've said, Oh, you're just doing code check. You're saying, check it and see if this is right. Not even code I've written yet. I'll have an idea of something. I'll say, you know, write a rust program that, that uses fast XML parser to do something in such and such a way.

And I'm just trying to see if like, if it can cut, if that's actually even a valid thought process of how to do it. And sometimes it turns, it comes out and it's like, yeah, that was right. It can do it that way. That's really the only time I've used it. And I haven't, I haven't really gotten into much else. So I, I did an experiment the other day. I have the web we talked about last week. The, you can, what is the thing you can load an LLM into? It's called, what is it called?

I'm looking out my, my start nine server. It's called, come on, Dave, help me out here. Free, free, free GPT dash two. Okay. So, and that's an app and it runs on, on my start nine and let me just open that up and you log in and it can get you the most recent llama model and whatever other open source models there are. And, and, and this, you know, the start nine, it's, it's a fine server. It's certainly more powerful than a Raspberry Pi, but it's nothing to write home about open web UI.

That's what it's called. Yeah. I have a Mac mini running here at the house with open web UI on it. Right. And so I did the same process and it spit back perfectly good code. Okay. It took 18 minutes, but I got the code I wanted. That was impressive. And that kind of gave me a really good feeling.

Like the future of this stuff, you know, is, you know, maybe we just need, I just need to get an NVIDIA board or something or whatever, and then get a, and, you know, set up a little system at home and, you know, and Bob's your uncle. Yeah. But it's, it's funny. I wonder what the, I'm not going to pay for anything. I'm like, I don't think I'll ever pay for something like Grok, but I would, I would love to run something on my own server on this, on this open web UI server.

I mean, like, I wonder what the best locally hosted Jeep model is like coding model, maybe Jim Jim, one of those. Well, here's what I have. I have a Lama deep seek and Mistral and arena. Apparently there's a new one arena, arena, whatever that arena model. That's what's showing here. I haven't actually done anything with deep seek with coding. Yeah. I haven't used that either. He's a cotton gin city was to rent Claude. Look, I mean, is Claude going to be released open?

I don't, I thought that was proprietary. But I think eventually it wouldn't eventually come to the point where we can pool enough of our servers together so that we can encode our own model as a, as a group. I've, I've thought about that too. Like, I feel like we, I feel like a model could be trained on the, the index data to do things like weed out

crap feeds, like, like spam feeds. Wouldn't that be beautiful? Yeah. The, um, I, you know, I, I thought the other day about, um, one of my buddies sent me a write up about open AI's CFO and the things she said. She says a lot. Yeah. She's a talker. Basically saying we, you know, we, we'll never have enough money. We need, we need all the money ever created. Print more, Scott Besson. We need money.

Yeah. And, uh, I was thinking, you know, part, part of the reason that these, these AI companies could be buying so many GPUs is simply to drive the price of GPUs up so high that the, the average consumer can't get hold of them. Because if you got hold of them, you would realize very quickly that with a decently powerful GPU, you could run some of these models yourself and you wouldn't even have to pay for them. Hmm. That's an interesting thought. I'm not, I don't know.

I mean, if I just want it, let me go to Amazon. Let me see if I can buy an NVIDIA board. Uh, NVIDIA, uh, NVIDIA AI GPU. Yeah. 32 gigabyte. Let's see. Oh, wait, here's the 500 GP pocket AI. I don't know what that is. RTX. What's, what's the high end model, man? What's the. The 50, 90, I think is the current high end. 50, 90, $2,999 delivery, uh, only three left in stock by now. Well, stocks last. I mean, it's three grand. Nobody's going to pay. Nobody.

But if you had a, if the, if the GPU costs weren't so high, if they were actually reasonable, they, you could include those in just normal home PCs and people could run stuff locally and you wouldn't need Chad GPT or any of those services. Well, I was looking at a video, um, by Antazi, Antazi in tech, who is this crazy Russian chick. I think listen to her talk before. What was meant to take weeks stretched into months. Cool. And it's still. But she's a real person.

She's actually just talking on camera. Um, and she's talking about the, um, the data center that they're still building in, uh, Tyler, Texas, Taylor, Taylor, Texas. I'm sorry. And you know, what happened is, and I'm familiar, I know people who live in Taylor. So, and it was, uh, what is it? Samsung, I think. No, who is it? Forget who it was. Um, uh, who was the other chip maker anyway?

Uh, so they decided they were going to build their new fab in Taylor, Texas, which really messed up the entire town because everyone immediately put their home up for sale, you know, cause there was all these people are going to move there. Uh, they, they closed their businesses, the restaurants, everything closed. Everyone's like, this can be a bonanza. I'm going to make so much money selling my shop.

Uh, but it's taken like two years now because right at the minute that they started to build this plant, that's when AI took off. And so they had to rebuild this entire plant, uh, to build these two nanometer, uh, uh, chips. Now with two nanometer, I mean, this is such precision laser work that you need, they, they basically built five New York length skyscrapers down into the ground to create a stable environment because the building cannot, they can't be the slightest rumble or anything.

They built an air purification system that is five football fields. Good grief. Oh yeah. And it's all, it's all to build AI chips. So the investment that is going in to this, that is enormous. So it's no, it's actually not 2000, 3000 bucks. Actually amazing that it's that cheap when you think about all the investment that's gone into this. Um, so I understand those prices, but eventually, eventually that will come down. The power, huh? They built their own power plant, water.

They built their own water purification plant and recycling plant. And at the end of it, what do we get? We get people that make deep fake porn. You get this. Hi Dave. There you go. Thank you. For billions and billions and billions of dollars. It's over a trillion dollars now. Trillions of dollars. But people can make 30 second porn videos. Yeah. But I'm, I'm thinking, you know, eventually I might even splurge and just get one of these.

You know, I'm not sure what kind of box I need to put it into. I'm not even sure. I've never built a PC. The CPU is probably, I mean, that's any, just any decent modern CPU is fine. You don't need. Yeah. But an enclosure, I mean, will it, will it fit in the, in the box that I have? Oh yeah. I mean, you just get, just get a ATX, anything ATX form factor will fit it. Yeah. So, you know, because running this at home, that might actually be pretty cool. I mean, I am paying money, the 11 labs.

I mean, I'm paying real money for that. I mean, amortize that out over a few years and then build your PC and save and run it yourself. Yeah. And it just seems more fun. Now, of course, the question is, can I, can I train anything? And that I think is a whole different ball of wax. I mean, that seems to building a model seems to be very, very expensive. Yeah. And I'm, I just don't know enough about it. I agree with Darren. How have you never built a PC? I was a Mac guy. I, my, my.

Yeah. Yeah. I wait, you, you wait, you wasted so many years on the Mac. You're telling me. Dude. You could be, you should be running a rig with like, uh, Arch Linux on it or something right now. It is, it is, it's really sad. It really is. But you know, I, as I said, it was 10, 11 years ago. I gave up a Mac entirely that was disgusted by what they had done. And this is right after they screwed up, uh, Final Cut Pro.

You know, they went from Final Cut Pro 7 to 10 or X, whatever, and just sucked balls. It was so bad. Then they had lightning and then, you know, lightning screwed up with, um, Thunderbolt. All these, all these formats that were incompatible, just all sucked. And so that's when I went to, uh, to Windows. And really just, I mean, I only use Windows for the apps. I mean, everything else in my life is Linux. And again, no need to email me and tell me that my Roadcaster will work on Linux. It won't.

It won't. See Dave Jones. Right. I can, I can attest to that. It really won't. It really won't. That's because they won't make drivers. Okay. I get it. I get it, kids. That's fine. Um, but yeah, I mean, my world is, is Linux. Otherwise it's everything. I mean, I'm, I'm in command line. I love command line. You just need to throw your mouse in the trash and use one of those keyboard only Linux distros. But again, if it would connect to my, uh, to my Roadcaster, I would.

No, I mean, I don't, I don't mean for your, for the show. I just mean for like. Do you know how long I've been using MUT? I still have MUT scripts running somewhere on some server. Why do you even have a mouse? Isobot. You don't even, I mean, if you're using MUT, you're, you're, you've already, you've already bypassed the mouse years ago. And, uh, so, you know, this is a funny example. Uh, so when I got mail bombed, uh,

about five years ago, right around, right around Christmas, and someone spent some actual money. Uh, to subscribe me to thousands of newsletters and all kinds of stuff. And, uh, which is, you know, my adamantcurry .com has just ruined the idea of me receiving a newsletter forever because anything that has the word newsletter or unsubscribe in it goes to a newsletter box. But for that, I, I have, I use IMAP filter, which is a very simple script. Um, I think it's, it may even be a show.

I should take a look and see exactly what it is. I haven't looked at it in years. It runs on a five, a $5 Linode. Um, let me take a look. Uh, and I remember you sent me a screenshot of your inbox the day that you got mail bombed and it was like, I was bad. Tens of thousands of emails. Yeah, it was really, it was really, really bad. Let me just see if I can get in here. Yeah. Uh, let me just see what this is. Oh yeah, here we go. Okay. So it's wait a sec. Here we go.

Um, I don't even know what this is. What? It's a binary. Are you trying to get into your IMAP filter? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's actually a binary. There you go. IMAP filter. It's a binary. I should take a look at that. Uh, user bin IMAP filter. Oh yeah. It's very binary. Woo. I did. I did. I cat all over the screen. Oh man, I'm dizzy. I'm dizzy now. That's always followed up with a reset command on the terminal.

So, um, yeah, and it's a very simple, uh, it takes a very simple config script and it just goes through my email every couple of minutes and just sorts everything out. So I can literally be looking at my inbox and which I do a lot. I'm looking at the inbox. Now there's something, you know, buy this wine now. I'm like, okay, I could click on it if I want to, or just wait a minute and it goes away and it's in the, it's in the, uh, and there's a couple of other people who have special mailboxes.

There's a couple of people in my life who like to email me, uh, 15, 20 things a day. And I love these people. They have a dedicated bucket. Yeah, they do. But the thing is there's out of the 15 or 20, there's always one gem. So on show days I go in and I go through everything and let me see what's going on here. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's good. So, but yeah, so my life has been more command line than anything, but the mouse is handy for some stuff. Yeah. You need to build your own machine.

You just have to. Okay. You got, you got to, it's you, you would have so, and you, and plus you would just have so much fun. I'm going to ask for, um, uh, an NVIDIA GPU for Christmas. That will be my Christmas gift. That will be my, that will be my Christmas gift. Yes. Yes, indeed. You want to thank some people? Yeah. Um, let me take a look. What I have here on what has come in on the boost bot, uh, during the show or come in on the helipad is, uh, certainly break 22,000 to 22.

I'll read this note again. Good to see stuff being worked on reboost the grams in the masto today. I'm confident that Oscar Steven B. Alex at all. We'll come up with some great solution. Alex has met a boost proposal. Seems interesting to me, by the way, V4Vmusic .com. Yes. And you know what? It is wonderful to see this activity taking place in the masto. Salty crayon, 1775. Howdy boardroom. Got 250 crayon flavors to try on Monday. Semper Fi to Frischhunden. To Frischhunden.

Uh, we've got one, two, one, one, two, three from Lyceum. That is of course, uh, Oystein Berger, who will be up next after the board meeting. I like Chad F's comment on giving shout out messages to listeners streaming sats. Oystein Berger of Mutton Meat and Music is very good at this. Here are 1123 Satoshis as, at the, as the start of the Fibonacci sequence. Yes. Very nice. We got a thousand sats in a test boost from Oscar Mary. Twice. Test boost two. Got it. Creepy eyes. And a third one.

So, wow. We got, uh, like, uh, 3,000 sats there. Thank you, Oscar.

Uh, and then I hit the, uh, delimiter after I read this one quickie. Just came in from Dreb Scott, 12,345. One, two, three, four, five. And he just says, go podcasting. So thank you. Uh, we got some PayPal's here. These are all mixed in. Cause I didn't have time to print them as Kevin Bay. $5. Thank you, Kevin. Love that. Cameron Rose, $25. Thank you, Cameron. Cameron's been around forever. Appreciate that. Podpage also $25. That's Brendan and the girls and boys of Podpage. Guys stepping up.

Thank you. Thank you. Did they change their name to something? Or is it still just Podpage? Did they? I want to say they did a redesign or something. I don't know. Well, hold on a second. Cause I'm a Podpage customer. I would think I would know that. Hold on a second. I hope I'm not making that up. No, it's still Podpage. As far as I can tell. The podcast website builder. No, it's still Podpage. Okay. I don't know where I got that. Oh, Martin Lindeskog at New Media. Uh, $1.

Thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark. Mark Graham. $1. Thank you, Mark. $10 from Eugene. Eugene Chey. I hope that's how you pronounce it. C-H-A-E. I'm going to say Eugene Chey. Thank you, Eugene. Appreciate that. That's a one-time donation. And Joseph Marocca, $5. Thank you, Joseph. Oscar Mary, $200. Hold on a second, baby. Thank you. Beautiful. Beautiful. $200 and a proposal in the same day. Oh, man. Doesn't get any better than that. Keeping the system running, brother.

Thank you. Uh, Dave Jackson from the School of Podcasting. Uh, sent us $25 and he says, can't let the incoming go below the outgoing. Dave Jackson. Thank you, Dave. How much? $25. Thank you, brother. This is people stepping up. Very nice. Yeah. Yep. Say, uh, let's see. Say they're saving the cash flow. Yeah, they are. Uh, post, uh, see, we've got some boosts. Post water Malone's. It's watermelon, but with an ES. Post Malone watermelon. I like it. Yeah. Post water Malone's. That's good.

I like that. 3,500 sats through fountain. He says, all the sats on my fountain app. Whoa. Oh, you just drained it. Drained it. Wallet drained. Drained it dry. Yeah. Let's see. Uh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck through podcast guru says, make the changes. We as podcasters and listeners will have to adapt some pain at first, but growth for sure. 73s. 73s. Lyceum. Let's see. I like Chad F's comment on giving shout out messages to listeners at streaming sats.

Uh, Boise Barrow of mutton, meat and music is very good at this. Here are 1,123 Satoshis as the start of the Fibonacci sequence. Yeah. That's the one I just read. I think. No, I thought you read the one about, uh. No, no, that's the one. I wasn't paying attention. I have a 10 minute memory though. Yeah. You got a buffer. That's my buffer. Yeah. Well, it was such a good boost. I read it again. And the delimiter 15015 through, uh, for chemistry blogger through fountain.

He says, howdy, Dave and Adam. Today. I would like to thank Bumi from www .getalby.com for his help in the area of Albie hub to my friend from Alaska fellow Pomeranian lover. Lady Vox can be found on Twitter slash X at, at Bumi and on Fediverse at, at Bumi at cosmos dot social. Thank you very much. Bumi. Yo, CSB. Oh, beautiful. CSB. So, you know, he yells, he rants, he raves, but then he, he, he's sweet. There was a lot of ranting and raving at Bumi.

You know, I have known comics are longer for so long, longer than two of my wives actually. And, um, and that's just who he is. You know, it's just how he talks. And, and I love that our group, cause he's been kicked out of so many groups. I mean, I, I, I'm sure he would hate for me to go into his history. He's been kicked out of conferences just for being him and for asking the questions that he has the way he asks them. And I love that our group still loves him. You know what I mean?

It's like he fits in somehow. It says a lot about us. It really does. I'm, I'm very, I'm very pleased to see that he has a home in our ragtag orchestra of monkey of, uh, uh, RSS, not jobs. I think this group really has the ability to let people just be who they are and move on and just pay attention to the content. We might rant, rant a little bit with each other, but then we do, we do, yeah, we do move on. We just like, okay, I'm just going to move on. That's fine.

Yeah. You get it out of your system. Yeah. You hit the reset button. We're good. We're good. RSS, no jobs.com. Yes. Ooh, hold on a second. Hey, hold on a second. Yes. RSS not. I'm wasting your money. This is a not jobs.com. This is a good one. Let me add it. Boom, boom, boom. Shaka, laka, boom, boom. Yes, I got it. 20 bucks down the drain. Some people go to the boat and gamble. I buy domain names, RSS, not jobs.com. Where will I send it? Where would I send it? I can't wait to find out.

This show is costing me. This whole project is costing me money. Oh, yes, it is. You are your own worst enemy in that regard. I have to save you money constantly. Oh, this is interesting. Something went wrong, but don't worry. I'm fixing to uncover why this panda is so sad. What? What? Was this on Namecheap? No, DN Simple. DN Simple? Let me try that again. What a bizarre error message. It has a picture of a panda. That's completely unhelpful. Well, no, it said something went wrong.

This sad panda is going to take care

of it. Boom. Okay, I got it. Oh, I got confetti. Nice. Feel good now. Feel good. I got confetti. Pandering software. Yes. Did we have any monthlies? Did we get everything? Is everything done? Yeah, that was everything wrapped up. That's why I read the same boost twice, because I was trying to reorient myself in my mailbox. So, Dave, I think, I don't know what your plans are this weekend, but... Tomorrow, I'm going to Atlanta. Oh, what are you doing in Atlanta? Another rock climbing competition.

Every week and for the entire month of November. Okay. Well, I'm hoping that you'll have some time to try out some of Adam Curry's vibe coding tips. Come on, man. Come on. Give it a shot. I'm going to read the transcripts and I'm going to follow the tips. Yes. Read the transcript on your... You're driving, I'm sure, right? Yeah. I'll read the transcript and then I'll deploy tips. Okay. All right, brother. Have yourself a great weekend. All right, man. You too. Okay. Hey, boardroom.

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