Podcasting 2.0 for March 28th, 2025, episode 216, Salty Sage. Hello, everybody. Welcome once again to Podcasting 2.0. We are not a product. We are not a service. We're a concept. We're a podcast. No, wait, we're a boardroom. Yes, the board meeting takes place every single Friday. And just in case you didn't know, we are the only boardroom that has not read the entire Infinite Dial report.
I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who somehow still has time to write blog posts. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones. I was dangerously close to needing the homeleck right there. Yeah. Were you choking on your beef milkshake? No, I was like, I was furiously trying to get that chicken salad, that bite of chicken salad to go down before the, before you hit the post. Oh, you're eating chicken salad.
That's a departure from your regular beef. No, I've got beef milkshake. That's my drink to go with the chicken. No, I'm up in the like, I'm up in the like 900 calorie range for this lunch right now. Your diet is something else, man. It should have its own podcast. Dave's diet needs its own podcast. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. It's only on Friday. I mean, it's funny, what I eat on a daily basis is, I'm a very consistent person. Like I do this, I tend to do the same thing every single day.
That's what I heard from your wife. No, she makes fun of me for it. She makes fun of me for it because I'm, I'm so, I'm just like a, you know, like one of those, like Matlock or whatever. He's got like 12 of the same suit in his closet. That's very much like me. So I tend to, I mean, I eat, I eat a half pound beef patty for breakfast every morning. I eat. Raw, right? Just raw, just a raw beef patty. Raw, I'm the pot sage. I'm the pot sage. Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, yeah.
And this, and then, uh, a protein, a beef protein shake for lunch with a salad and then whatever we fix for dinner. I mean, every single day, but on Fridays, I'm so pressed for time. When I hit the door of my house, I have about 10 minutes to get into the podcast room to get going on this. And so I'm like throwing stuff together, beef milkshake as fast as I can. And then whatever's in the fridge, you literally just glob mayonnaise onto the, onto the bread. Don't even spread it.
We spread it with your hands. Like, yeah. Sometimes I end up with popcorn. Sometimes I end up with like a bag of, you know, a bag of nuts, you know, it's beautiful. Beautiful. Well, maybe that explains it because you are now officially salty sage. You're salty sage, man. What does that mean? I don't understand. Okay. I will explain it to you. What is, what is this reference? I will explain salty sage to put it bluntly, stop complaining about YouTube.
If you can't even do what they do, if you only do half of a thing, someone else will come along and do the other half. And that's on us for not finishing salty sage, cracking the whip. I love it. I love it. Is it true? No, it's absolutely true. But when it comes from you, in fact, that's going to be a show title. I think, I think it's a show title candidates, salty sage. When it comes from you, people pay attention. When it comes from me, it's like, Oh, that's just curry. It's a different one.
It comes through. That's because I'm, you know, I'm almost spicy all the time. Yes. I'm always like that. And when they have a, a, um, spicy, uh, have a measured and appropriate use of spice. That's correct. And, and I'm just spicy all over the place. Yeah. And people just like he's too hot. He's hot curry. He's too hot to handle. I can't handle him. He's too hot to handle. I had a radio show called hot curry at one point. I did. I did. It was like a hot curry.
Yeah. That's exactly what it was like. I need, I need a, I need some clips from hot curry. Boost. Okay. Yes, everybody. We are live. We are lit. And that is exactly the topic of Dave Jones. The pod say just most recent blog post. Uh, do you want to talk about that now? Cause I have some other things I think we should get into, but, uh, it was top of mind for me. Well, whatever. I mean, we, we can do whatever. I have no agenda today. No, I have it, uh, on Sunday and Thursday.
Let me, uh, well, I'll ease you into it. So every, uh, every one of my favorite, uh, podcast listens was about the infinite dial report, the infinite, even pivot, even pivot was like, it's the infinite dial report. Let's talk about it. Now that prof G have you read the infinite dollar report? I'm sure he has. Well, that's a, those are hate listens, but, uh, podcast weekly review power and, uh, the new media show. It was great.
I was walking the dog during both of my, my afternoon and my evening walk. I was able to, uh, to get the whole infinite dial report without even touching it because Todd and Rob basically sat there and read it throughout the whole show. This is like, okay, this, this is like, uh, security now podcast, which I'm not going to throw shade. I love Steve Gibson.
I love that show, but it really is him just reading five different, like 1500 word articles during the show is sometimes I have to skip around, you know? Well, in this case it was, it was quite, uh, it was quite interesting. And there's really only one thing that stuck out to me because of course everyone's like video, audio, YouTube, podcast, uh, just Spotify. You're bringing this up cause I've heard, I've heard none of this.
Well, there's only one, uh, um, no, there's actually two takeaways from the entire report as I have distilled it from the distillation already done by our colleagues over at a power and then new media show. Now, to distill this, did you use Microsoft co-pilot to convert the transcript? Yes, I did. You mean like Satya Nadella? Yeah. It's much more exciting. What an a-hole. Everybody reported it as if it was a real thing. He doesn't do that. Give me a break.
That's like a self-serving ad for co -pilot. I find it much more interesting to interact with the co-pilot on the transcript of the podcast. It's much better in the car. It's much better. No, it's not. That is a load of horse crap. In his pants. Yes, that's horse crap. Uh, no, the, the number that really could, you know, everything is at 97%. Everything's 97%. Uh, climate change. Climate change.
That's the amount of scientists who agree, uh, on anthropogenic anthropogenic anthropogenic human anthropogenic. I wonder if that, that, that has this feeling like it might be real. Let's see. I got it. I got it. I'm trying to find this. Anthropometric is in world. That's close. And pretty close. What is it? What is it? What is the anthropogenic? Is that it? Is that anthropogenic? No, that can't be it. Anthropogenic? No, no, that's not. Now I'm originating in human activity.
Okay. Anthropogenic. Well, what did I say? Anthropogenic. That's my new term. That's my new term. Yes. No, everything was kind of up there, you know, podcast listening is up. And then there's a lot of, you know, discussion about, well, they said, you know, consumed a podcast. What does that mean? Well, to me, it means you ate it, but okay. You consumed a podcast. Well, that could be more video, audio, video, audio, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the one that interested me the most.
And I thank, I thank God for bringing us Tom Webster the other week. I really got a lot out of that. Me too. In fact, something I almost never do. I listened to our own show. I did too. And I never do that either. How about that? I did too. I listened to almost the whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I want to make sure that I heard everything he was saying and the things he wasn't saying, but he was saying without him knowing it, you know, the intent underlying things.
Yeah. It's a little hard when you're listening to Tom Webster to get past the I'm Tom Webster and I have important, interesting things to say. You know, he's the guy has got a set of pipes that won't quit. He does. And he was talking about the, how people still get in the car and listen to AM, FM radio and the infinite dial report, which now the infinite dial report has been around for a long time. I think it's 25, 26 years.
And they've really upped the amount of respondents and you know, it's a, you know, statistics wasn't no lies, damn lies and statistics, but they kind of know what they're doing. I'm I don't like that they're sponsored by companies in the business. I don't like that. Yeah. I think that's unfortunate, but you know, I guess we can't all be Pew research, Pew research, Pew, Pew this, the infinite dial just to be clear is not podcast specific. No, it's a, it's right.
No. In fact, they had social media stuff in there. And I really don't care for the podcast industrial complex in general, this obsession with numbers. And I mean, it's just, I don't care for it because just like radio and television, we really have crap measurement. We really don't know what's going on.
I guess some streaming stuff, but anyway, the number that interested me the most, where I see the most growth potential was in the car because in the car, people who use their phone and I'm just kind of rounding up the numbers and going by what I remember, uh, cause that's just as good as the actual number as far as I'm concerned, not in my car. Well, right between, um, CarPlay and Android auto, it was about 40% of people who use their phone in the car.
Wow. What a lot of opportunity there is there. And I think it's mainly two reasons. One is they don't have great interfaces. Um, it's, and that's kind of comes back to what Tom Webster, Webster was saying, you know, I don't really, well, no, they have great interfaces for podcast listening, but there's not really a serendipity discovery, spinning the dial type, uh, type experience, which funny enough, we're working on a version of that.
It was to me, it was kind of like, Oh, there's confirmation. Um, but also that's where people are going to listen and that's, everyone's going back to work. Now we've got commute times have come back in the whole world is eventually moving back to going to an office, not everybody, but I think we're going to see most people going back. We're seeing, um, car manufacturers kind of giving up on the in-car entertainment. As far as I can tell, it seems like, uh, it's, it's half-hearted attempt.
Yeah. Um, because you know, you're, you're bringing your own, you're bringing your own entertainment. Everything is on your phone, um, in order to sync media and do stuff and rip you away from what you already have and bring it into the car. I think it's very, very difficult. So, you know, that's why, you know, Sirius XM, I'm sure I don't think Sirius XM was, I don't remember if they even had a number for that. Uh, but AMF from radio, I understand.
And, uh, it once again dawned on me that, you know, there's, so that's, that's the, that's the opportunity. YouTube does not have a great in-car experience that just don't. I don't, I don't know what the, again, cause my car is not, you know, the most modern car we have is from 2012. And, uh, and the, even at the time, the, in that Honda, it was not a great system. So like, and my other two, the other two vehicles that we have don't even, you know, they're from the 60s.
So they don't even have, one of them doesn't even have a radio. So I'm not, I'm, I'm really sort of at a disadvantage here to know what the modern car in-car experience is for any of these apps. Well, I mean, what is possible? I mean, uh, if you look at a navigation app, if you look at ways, which I have to admit, I use that because it's really good. Although I know Google is listening to me, watching me, you know, checking my blood pressure.
Uh, I mean, the screens interactive, you can touch stuff, you can zoom in, you can, you know, it pops up dialogues for, for, for warnings that are user generated. There's a, it's a, you can do a lot of great things with it. Um, in general, podcast apps kind of all do the same thing, you know, what you'd expect inbox type, uh, inbox, most recent you're, you're, I mean, just the base, the basic stuff. So not a, I mean, it's old listings, really.
It's not even a, I don't think anyone's even drawing boxes on the screen or anything. So there is just so much opportunity to create a kick-ass exciting experience for in -car entertainment. And what's I think interesting, and we're discovering this, what's interesting is the, the addition of the live tag. Ooh, see how it, I did there.
The additional, the addition of the live tag can really add some excitement, serendipity, and push button, uh, experience of discovery to the entire in-car listening experience. And now that the lit tag and live streams are an integrated part of the RSS feed ecosystem, or as some say, ecosystem, pivot, hate, listen. Um, I think that that is a very exciting thing for app developers to take a look at.
I mean, you can even, I mean, TuneIn, TuneIn had the right idea, but they got greedy and they got too much venture capital money and they overhired. And they were really creating just the, a directory of radio stations. And they forgot to put all the, the, the good thinking into it. They were just like, oh, we can charge these guys money. Give me money. Give me money to get listed. And they never really got the podcasting part right. SiriusXM is similar.
Um, they, they try to do something kind of interesting with their app, but it already breaks the whole concept of, for me, SiriusXM breaks the concept of radio in general. You know, I've never had a radio that I had to put a quarter into to listen. And that's pretty much what, what, you know, oh, you can get this exclusive live stream, subscribe to this. So there is just ample opportunity and clearly a long way to go. There's 60% of people.
Now I'm sure there's a number of people who don't even have CarPlay, et cetera, in their vehicle, but they still may be connecting their phone to Bluetooth and, um, like the Audible app. I don't know if you've ever used the Audible app in car mode. I have not. I've used, well, wait, wait, I have used it on car mode on the, on the device. I haven't used it in car mode in a car. So it's, it's a quite interesting concept.
You know, it's like, this is kind of, you know, if you don't have CarPlay or Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay, Apple, Apple Pay is appropriate. Apple Play, um, the CarPlay or Android audio, then you have a, you know, you, you still have your holder for your phone and you kind of stick it on your dashboard and it removes all of the small things, gives you big buttons. And I just felt like there was so much opportunity. And then, uh, yesterday I read your blog post and I'm like, oh, perfect.
And maybe you want to summarize what you were saying there, because again, coming from you, especially coming from Salty Sage, it's so much more impactful. Um, yeah. So I mean, I didn't, when I usually write blog posts, it's on sub stack, but, um, it just, it just doesn't feel, I don't know, it just doesn't feel right that so, um, and I've had, I've had blogs, many blogs over the years. Um, and I finally just decided to get, um, to re to restart a personal blog.
And a lot of it goes to, um, by the way, I see it's not a freedom controller based blog. It's no, it's not. It it's a, um, it's using a thing called, uh, Zola and, uh, it's kind of like Hugo, it's a static site generator. Uh, but Zola is written in, uh, it's a rust, uh, coded in rust. And so, but it supports like the, the Hugo, uh, template language and all that kind of stuff.
And one, one of the problems with, so I, I finally figured out that, um, I've been looking for a good blog domain name for months. And I finally, uh, figured out that, uh, that I could get that one, uh, davejones .blog. Um, and, and it wasn't too much. So I, I spun that up on a, it's just running on an S3 bucket. Um, yeah, you just drop the static files in there. Yeah. Put it behind cloudflare. It's good to go. It's cost me like, you know, it cost me like 5 cents a month.
So, uh, not, so it was pretty simple. One of the things, one of the problems you get into when you, when you roll a new, uh, blog site always is you end up getting, uh, sort of obsessive about the blog itself and the way it looks and everything. Yeah. So you can spend hours going down the rabbit hole. And I really have, I find that process so tedious. I was like, please, I want this thing and a theme and I just want to be done with it. There was still a little bit of that that happened.
Uh, because like, I, I, all I want out of a blog is, is the content. I don't want any like crap. Yeah. You know, I just want it to be like a newspaper. What? You don't want a skyscraper banner? Yeah. And like, you know, pop ups and all this. Oh, it's just so annoying. So anyway, it's stripped most of that out.
But anyway, the, um, I think one of the things that maybe finally decided to pull the trigger and, and actually do a roll a blog is that, um, it's become pretty clear over the last few months that, that it's not, I wouldn't say marketing is the problem with podcasting, uh, 2.0 and the namespace. It's, it's just pure evangelism. There's a, there's just a lack of it. And in a specific, and I think it's in a really specific way.
What I mean is there needs to be, uh, a consistent voice that is describing these thing. There's describing these features in a way that is both technical and, um, political and ideological, but it has to be sort of all of it.
It needs to be, that's why this post is so long is because it takes, you can't just say, and this is the mistake, a little bit of the mistake that I've made in the past with, with writing, uh, posts about features is I tend to get really focused on the tech, which makes sense because, I mean, these are technical contributions, technical implementations, but, um, no, this is different, Daniel.
This is, I see what you're saying, but this, what I'm saying is a little bit different than podcasting2.org. Um, that that's podcasting2.org. Another fine initiative, another fine initiative. Yeah. It's, it's, it's brilliant as a reference site and as a sort of portal into the namespace, but there needs to be, I think some long form articles that go through that start with, you know, here's a, here's, here's a problem. Uh, excuse me. He starts with, here's the framework of the world as it is.
There are some problems with this framework. There's a solution that was created. Here is the way the solution is thought to address the problem. And then here's the technical implementation of how that happens. And finally, why you should care and, and put effort behind it. That's a good format. And that is exactly what you did. That's a good format. I like that. And it, by nature, these are going to be, you know, there it's, it's long.
I mean, I've, I've probably got three and a half, four hours in this post to writing. I don't know if it's right, if writing is hard for everybody, but it's, it writing well takes me a long time and just a lot of, there's a lot of thinking through it. Mark, did you write this in, is this Markdown? It is in Markdown. Yeah. So it's so beautiful when you do it in Markdown, you get code snippets and you know, it's just, it's a good way to write it.
Yeah. It's, it's so much, it's just, it, it felt Markdown. It feels like it makes, uh, makes things easier to me than even WordPress, you know? But, um, so the point, you know, there's a, a few points I was trying to hit, you know, one, one of them is the, the podcast like the podcasts, the podcasting itself, you know, specifically being defined as adding the enclosure tag to an RSS feed, um, was so early in the era of linear broadcasting to digital. Does that transition?
Um, if it had had, if, if RSS had had live and funding support from the beginning, it really could have been the default place where the like entertainment, as we know it landed with a huge choice of different apps to pick from. Uh, like what I'm saying is, is podcasting today, it could be where we go to get our, all of our content. I am in total agreement.
Right now, instead, today in 2024, if podcast, if the, if live and funding and, uh, and some other things like Russell's, uh, L4O2 implementation, if some of those things had been in place, micropayments back in 2000, 2001, we may not have things like Hulu, Spotify, you know, these, we may not have those things today. What instead we may have a, a, a, a list of 40 different apps to choose from that you go and, and you're really, it's podcast behind the scenes and you're buying content on it.
You're, you're, you know, sending payments, you're listening to live events. It really could have been just the natural transition because what happened was people went from, um, initially it was websites.
The media, the big media companies went from, uh, you know, they launched, they all launched websites and then you would have to go like, if you wanted to go watch the masters or whatever, instead of, uh, on, instead of on TV, you would go to, you know, CBS website and they would have a live stream of the masters. Well, they went to the web. They could have gone to podcasting, which is just the web.
Well, but just to interject two things, one in the old country, we say if the queen had balls, she'd be King. The second one is that is exactly why RSS was a threat to companies like Google. Exactly for that reason. Oh no, we're the aggregator. We can't have people doing that themselves. Yeah, it was, it was subversive to that, to the, to the, uh, to the Yep.
Um, and so like, I think live is so critically important because if you look at it in those terms, looking back on history that the missing live piece made it where it, it didn't fit. It was not a, it was not a real alternative. It wasn't an, it wasn't a choice, right? You could, because everybody, every media publisher is going to have some form of live and on demand.
And so what you ended up with was these, like this thing that we, that we call podcasting, which is supposedly on demand, but you don't have a full catalog. You have a curation. So like, think about it and think about it in these terms. Um, like, uh, John MacArthur, like great, the grace to you ministry. This one comes to mind because I was doing something with Godcaster this morning and, uh, and ran into it. If so, he's a preacher that in, he's at grace church out in California.
You have three different ways to hear that material. You can turn it, you can tune into a Christian radio station and hear, hear it in a linear fashion. It's just a live broadcast. You can go to the blog, excuse me, you can go to the podcast and then you're going to get a curated list of selected sermons from that ministry uh, that they choose. Or you can go directly to the website or their app and that's got the full catalog. That's a fully on demand experience.
And so in that you can search every sermon he's ever preached and listen to whichever one you want. So, so podcasting exists in this sort of center lane where it's not a true on demand because you don't have access to the full catalog and you don't pick what is in that limited catalog. Um, but it's not live either. And so it's a, it's a sort of middle ground.
And in order to make it, um, in order to make it more fit with my, with the modern media landscape, we need to move, we've got to add the live piece. Uh, cause the lives, the live piece truly puts it on par with something like, um, Spotify or Sirius XM or YouTube or something like that. If it doesn't have it, it's never going to be seen as an equal. I agree. Yeah. Um, so that, that's, that's where, I think that's where we're at in, in, like Apple pocket casts, um, overcast Castro.
These apps really, they, they need to support live. They, they just do. They need the, it's, uh, you know, understand that, understand the development cycle and that kind of thing, but they, they really do just need to add this support, uh, because it's not, there is content out there. There is plenty of live content. I see stuff popping up in my life. If you follow on the Fediverse, if you follow the, uh, podcast, live podcasts, live at podcast index dot social, that's John Spurlock's bot.
Every time a new podcast goes live and start streaming, that thing pops up right now. One just, you know, of course ours popped up earlier and now one just popped up called King's hero. King heroes journey podcast is going live. I don't even know what this is. That's all pod ping signaling, right? Yeah. Yeah. And every time one part, so there is content out there going live every single day.
Um, and, and if those, all it would take would be for one of those larger apps to implement this, uh, support for this. And then you would see an, an immediate uptake in, in publishers and content creators go supporting this because posts like rss.com, uh, pod home, there are, they already got support for the blueberry. They've got support for this already. And, and if you, if you know how to do live content, you already have a live stream somewhere.
Yeah. Spending up a live stream is not difficult. Uh, and it's, it's typically when it's audio, it's typically not very expensive. May I introduce you to liquid soap programming language? Please. I have no idea what that is. It's what you said. Not difficult. Well, no, that different, different contexts. We'll get back to that later. Oh no. I mean, it's fun to talk about it now.
I'm, I'm, well, I mean, it's because I, I've been spinning up radio streams and, uh, I had a very harrowing AI experience. Oh, I want to hear about that. Well, so I was able to successfully configure, um, ice cast and liquid soap, well, pretty straightforward stuff. Uh, but then I wanted to customize how, how it was working. And this is a very mature language. I mean, but it's a, um, uh, it's a, what do you call it in programming?
You call it a, uh, um, I'm trying to think what it's called a functional language. Okay. Yeah. Which is very different from Adam's shell scripting experience. The Adam shell scripting experience. That's like a ride at Disney. It is. Well, that's pretty much what it was because I went through it with, you know, I figured, okay, well chat GPT and a couple of these AIs should be able to help me. This is what they're good at, right? They're right. They can do it. He can do it. Oh yeah.
If they're good at anything is coding, right? That's what I was led to understand. So, so I start, you know, I have a simple playlist and then I just want to add some crossfade functions, uh, based upon what I want to do. It's very sophisticated. You can, you can make the next track start. If the, um, if the previous track dips below 30 decibels, you know, so you have a great crossfade in a, in a long fade out song. I mean, it's just great stuff.
And, uh, so I start to tinker with it and of course, syntax error, syntax error. So, okay. All right. Chat GPT and chat GPT just takes me down this path. And it keeps saying, Oh Adam, you're almost there. Would this one? Oh, really nail it. We'll get this working very soon. It literally said you're almost there. Oh yeah. Many times. And then it would throw like a skull emoji. Oh no, it looks like we're in liquid soap. Hell, well, we've got to do this.
And it was just, it went, what chat was this? It was a four, four Oh, whatever it is. A certain point I was using it so long. It went, sorry, you've used this model too long. Switching to a piece of crap model. I'm like, okay, I'll upgrade. So I'm paying 20 bucks a month now for this thing. And, uh, and I just keep going and I can see it's going in circles and I say, are you going to say, are you sure you have the documentation?
And I link and yo, yeah, no, I've got all the, cause the documentation is super extensive. It's got everything. And, um, and then it just keeps on going and it keeps throwing errors and it keeps telling me we're almost there. Adam keeps telling me we're going to nail it this time. And then it goes to, well, it looks like we have to recompile your kernel. I'm like, okay, good night. Yes. Holy crap. They went to the nuclear option.
Oh, it actually said, we're going to take the nuclear option on this at some point. I mean, it was so obvious. It had no idea what it was doing. It was really, really severely disappointing. You know what this is? Okay. It just, it hits me right now. Talking to one of these AI agents is, or AI chatbots is like, it's like talking to a crazy person. Genius. It's like talking to Ted Kaczynski, where you're like, they, they bait you in because they're brilliant. And then they'll just say something.
You're like, Whoa, what? You're an idiot. You're crazy. Like you literally like they they're genius, but they're also completely insane at the same time. Hmm. Yeah. So anyway my point is there's a lot of great tools. I mean, liquid soap is truly, truly a masterful at what it can do. And that includes, you know, if you want to go live and you, and you know, and the server can start, you can tell that in, you can do all, it means so many things. It's all open source. It's all out there.
It's beautiful. There are many, many tools available and right now could not be a better time. And I wouldn't just, I wouldn't say just the bigger apps, anybody who does anything that kind of combines these two with some discovery and throw in streams, man, there's a, there's directories of streams that are off the hook. There's so much content out there. So much. I mean, you could have your own, you know, your own podcast station that's running pod.
I mean, there's a million different things you can do, but we're still, Oh, well, I'm a broken record on that, that we're stuck in this inbox model. So, but there's existing apps out there that can add in other stuff that they, that they don't have that they may already be doing. So your point is completely valid of, of merging these two, which is, I mean, that, which brings me to the next point, which also came from the infinite dial.
And that is one that people have been just, we haven't gotten it off the ground. And that is some type of community interaction. Now fountain does this very well. And I think Sam, I I'm very excited about the forthcoming app versions of true fans because I think that there's a, I think Sam sees it and it'll come down to implementation as always does. But the idea that you can interact with that group around a podcast or a media property. That's what YouTube does very well. It does it.
That's what Spotify has tried. You know, we kind of got stuck on the idea of cross app comments and there's lots of stuff that comes into this that we'll bump into again, you know, moderation, all this different stuff, but even just the beauty of having a board, I have a troll room and I have a boardroom and I have a lit tag on both of my most important shows. And it is truly a wonderful experience. I mean, we've got people, how many are you got 52 in the boardroom?
They are, are they all active? Let me see. I don't know if they're all active, but they're logged in. Yeah, it looks like it. And, you know, they hang out after the show. That's what no agenda stream is, you know, it's no agenda dot stream. It's, it's unbelievable. There's a whole community in there and, and they have basically a radio station, the no agenda stream.
And, you know, and people are in there and they'll be like, oh, this show sucks, but they're still in there and they'll still be hanging out. And so adding this feature has just been lagging. And that's really where your, your final salty sage line landed. You know, it's like, Hey, you know, if we don't do what they're doing, we're not even adding the basics. Then shut up already. That's exactly what you said. Shut up already, but I see it right here is a direct quote.
Yes. The last line of this, this really comes down. All of this really comes down to implementation. Like you said, the tech part of it is not that hard. Most of the time. I'm not going to say none of it's hard because some of it, some of it actually is pretty hard, but maybe there's a better way to say that. It's not, I don't think the tech is what keeps people from doing these, some of these things. I don't think it's ever the tech.
Um, like, and I've made this, I think I made this comment a few weeks ago is if you look at RSS itself, it's a total mess. I mean, the RS, the RSS 2.0 specification as written by Dave Weiner, uh, that is still, you know, this, what, what, what all this is based on, it's a complete, it's just a complete mess. And the fact that we may like we, the fact that this thing works, it is, what that tells you is that the tech part is not the thing that's going to hold anything back. Right.
It's, it's really, it's more, it's a will to do it. And it is the clear vision of what to do. And so I tried to make that point in this, in this article as well, that when you, when you just, when you have a standard or a specification, the parts of that specification, you know, and the parts of that specification carry meaning with them. So when I'm a podcast app developer and I am writing, I'm parsing an RSS feed and I'm, I hit the item tag. I know in my head that that item tag means episode.
That's, that's what this thing really is. It's an episode of an audio program. And so that meaning, it becomes, that meaning is attached by me to this tech, to this technical description that I'm seeing. Now there's modifiers that can happen to that. And this, this goes into the realm of why we, why we always say the names are not important because item, what does that mean? It's the most generic term ever. We don't know that this is an episode because the name of the tag is item.
We know that it's an episode because we know that item means episode in the context of a podcast RSS feed. Or item as blog post or item as a song track, et cetera. Yes. So if you look at the pod, at the RSS feed of my blog, if you just open it up, there's an item right there. And I know that if I'm writing in the content, if I'm writing an app in the context of a blog reader, that item means article.
But if I'm writing a app in the context of a podcast app and I'm dealing with XML, I know that item means episode show. It means audio episode or video episode, whatever. It means an episode of a show. Mm. And so those meanings that we attach in the, in a, in their proper context have, they, they are the, that's what does all the work. To make it even crazier. This may be even a better example because I'm looking at your RSS feed because I do what the pod Sage tells me to do.
Go and look at the RSS feed. Um, your actual article is under the description tag. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yes. So what is that describing? Yeah, it's, it's literally the article, but it's not a description of the article. No, it's the, and here, let's, okay, let's keep going. Let's keep going down this track. The description in the RSS feed is the article. Yeah. But in my template language for the blog itself, the description is a summary, a short summary of the article.
So there's another word in the template language. That's right. Description considering that's not the article, right? These names don't, these names don't mean anything and we don't expect them to mean anything most of the time in order to point. And I was actually, I want to, I want to actually read this real quick. This is, I've been, I started reading a book a couple of weeks ago called a ancient Near East thought in the old Testament. Hold on a second. We need some music for you.
Oh, do I get music for this? Okay. I think you need some music for that. Uh, let's see what I've got here. That's not it. Sorry. That's not it. No, that's not it. Yeah. So I read this last night and it stuck out to me. It says, um, uh, when it comes to the formulation of our modern theology, based on the biblical text, we may logically conclude that without the guidance of background studies, we are bound to misinterpret the text at some point.
A text can be thought of as a web of ideas linked by the threads of writing. Each phrase in each word communicate, communicates by the ideas and thoughts that it will trigger in the mind of the reader or the hearer. We can then speak of potential meanings that the words point to as gaps that need to be filled. One hopes appropriately meaning by the, uh, with meaning by the audience.
So what he, what he's saying is it's not, it's not necessarily the words themselves that can, that, that convey the meaning. It's the, it's your understanding of the context of what it, of what you're reading. Yes, exactly. There's going to be this, this thing is telling you something and you think you understand what it, what it's saying. And so you fill in the gaps in your understanding by your past experiences, current experiences, all these other things.
You bring meaning to it rather than it being purely the other way around. Um, and so that's, that's what I'm saying here. So when you add like the medium tag, suddenly we're not talking about a podcast anymore. When you see an item, you're, you're, the medium is music. Now you're talking about a music track, right? So all these things keep changing. So the, these, when we define the live item tag, when we wrote that tag as a group, um, the, I think, I think maybe Alex did Alex right there.
I can't, I think he did. I think he did. I'm, I'm, I want to try to be better about giving credit for things. Um, I'll make sure I find that information. But, um, when we initially did that tag, it made the most sense to define it as a new tag rather than adopt the item into this new thing, because not because the item itself couldn't do that, but because there needed to be a sense of context that we wanted to convey to a developer that says, this is a different thing.
And so it's, it's different enough to where we want you to be able to attach a new meaning to this thing. And that meaning is that this thing is never going to be an irregular episode. It's always going to be a live episode. It's a different animal altogether. Um, that also has the fortunate side effect of, um, making it very, making it easier to implement because you don't have to do a lot of, uh, sort of heuristic parsing.
So Daniel made a comment in the, in the, um, in the, in the boardroom saying that, uh, you know, a, a RSS episode, an RSS item with an enclosure is a podcast. No, well, not necessarily. That's not, that's not true. It could be a music track. It could, well, it could be a blog post with a bit, with a, with a section of, um, of unreal, uh, with a section of content that is not an audio version of the post. It could be just a, uh, an inserted clip of something the post talked about.
And that wouldn't, that wouldn't necessarily make much sense in the context of a podcast app.
Um, and, but, um, but I'm glad he said that because that's you, that display that sort of, um, exposes the problem here that there is a, when you have to do heuristics, when you have to say, when you have to begin to, when you have to be begin to, um, interpret what this thing is based on a set of criteria where you say, okay, if this thing contains one of these and one of these other things, then it's this. And if, but if it contains this and X, Y plus Z, now it's this.
So when you have to start sort of stringing together a set of heuristics, it becomes too complicated. So we did the live item. It's clear. It's straightforward. It's easy to interpret. And I think it makes the entire process very straightforward. Now there's, there's of course going to be issues. There's going to be hurdles that have to overcome. Like again, like you said, is, is, is implementation is always the hurdle. Uh, Franco with Castamatic is going through this right now.
And I really want to get him on the show. He's got a direct conflict with timing that we may have to like bump the board meeting to a different time slot. Because of what is it? A seven hour time difference. Yeah. Yeah. He said, he said he's usually commuting right during the show. So, but I, I want to get him on because I think it would be, he's got an iPhone. What's his problem? Just put it in your earbuds. You're good to go, man. Come on, Franco, get with it.
I think it would be immensely valuable to hear him talk about his, uh, his journey through implementing live, because I've said this before, I think Castamatic is the quintessential, um, version is the quintessential example of implement to implementation of any of these features, because it is a completely disconnected app. It has no server backend. It doesn't, um, it, it's a completely self -contained app.
It's doing RSS the way RSS was always meant to be, which is, it is, it's consuming and parsing all the feeds by itself. Oh, he's not even hitting the index for that. He hits the index sometimes, but it's always from the app, right? It's never a backend server that he runs. So that to me is if that is sort of like, I use this as a, as like a sort of measuring stick. If Castamatic can do it, then anybody can do it. And like that, he works as a doctor four days a week.
Yeah. Yeah. A couple of his patients have died, but otherwise it's a great app. He's like, have you listened to my podcast? I'm like, what? I just want to, I just want a shot. Um, but, uh, yeah, like a Somerset said Castamatic and it keeps us grounded. I think that's true. It it's, it's the, it's sort of a clean room, you know, of implementation. If, if Franco can do it, there's no excuses.
Um, so I really want to have him get him on here and talk about, okay, well, we can, we can totally change the, it might actually be a good idea. Friday, April 11th. I tried, I tried to try it. I couldn't get out of it. Oh, what is it? 8 30 AM jury duty. Oh no. Oh, when is the last time you had jury duty? I've never had to be on jury duty. I've always gotten out of it. And this is for Gillespie County.
And, and you have to, you know, you go through the online process and then, you know, you're expecting to, well, where's my, they have all these, I can't do it because I'm in, I'm fighting a war in a foreign country. I'm a hundred years old, you know, all this different stuff. Yeah. Right. And then, so I go through that expecting to have a box that says, no, I can't for this reason. I got the board meeting, man. And no, I'm a podcaster. I'm a podcaster. I can't do that. I'm a podcaster.
Uh, and no, no, it's like, yeah, no, you can't do that shit. We'll see you at eight 30. If you don't, it's $500 a day penalty. So I hope, so I hope to be able to go there and say, well, first of all, I have plane tickets for Monday, um, the 14th, I'm going to Europe for a couple of days. So, you know, Oh, I hope it's done by then. Well, I, I hope they don't sequester me. I'm going to say I can't, well, we'll see what happens.
I've never been, I've never been requested for jury duty in my entire life. Oh, that changes as of today. They heard you now. They heard you. Isn't it funny how that works as some people get, some people get hammered all the time and other people's that you never get a request. Well, Doge is now going to change all that. I've been, I've somehow slipped through the cracks of the jury selection system. Yeah. You're off the grid, man. Do you even pay taxes?
No, I, I just, I, I think, um, so going forward, um, and I will be writing more of these sorts of articles. I don't know how spaced out they'll be because it does take time. Um, but I think it's very important, uh, for lots of different reasons, just so that we have a plain language, description of these features and all the context that goes around them. Because I think we're sort of past a lot of the technical hurdles. I mean, we're still, we're, we're still making tags and stuff.
I mean, there's not, it's not like things are finished, but, uh, there's a lot, there's a big body of work that's already been created here. And there's so much misunderstanding about it. Um, I mean, I, I heard, um, on pod news weekly review, I heard, uh, James saying that publisher feeds required use of the good, and that's not accurate. Even, even the people that are, that are intimately involved in the, uh, podcasting 2.0 work don't fully understand the details of a lot of this.
Um, and so for that reason, it's important to have a consistent set of sort of evangelistic articles that go through and do a comprehensive overview of every aspect of these features so that there's no misunderstandings. And also so that if there's ever any questions or misunderstandings, we can just point them back to not to the necessarily to the docs, to the documentation, but point them first to excellent idea.
Yeah. To the over to, to this, to the, to the, um, sort of complete picture with links to the docs as necessary. Perfect. Yeah. Uh, Dreb, yeah. Dreb said, Dave, I bet it's mentally therapeutic for you to write like this. It absolutely is. That's an interesting thing that you just said.
I had not thought about that, but it does feel very good to lay out in complete detail a feature because then it's just sort of out of your system because you, you sort of built, you build up this mental pressure over time where you hear, you hear this misunderstanding and this misunderstanding and this misconstruence and all these, there's all these sort of like, there's ways that you're, you're wanting to address all these little misunderstandings and fires
and put them all out, but you really, I mean, you can, I mean, it's just, it's too scattered. And so then you can take it, you can take all of that stuff and wrap it all up into one definitive answer that says, here is the thing. I think this is, this is a very good, a very good idea. And, um, now, so the problem we keep bumping into is there's this inherent nature of people to want to have a leader, want to have a, uh, who's, who's running the projects, who's doing this.
Uh, we need the hosting companies to pay for apps. You know, um, I don't think that's ever going to work that way. Um, my experience, and this is, this is why Stephen B is my hero forever is if you, if you're publishing the content, if you're creating the content and I use every single tag available, which is why you were actually able to use those examples in your blog posts. I've always thought that's what people like. That's what they develop against.
And, you know, so I love when I see, cause I hadn't actually looked at it in a long time. I look at the live item tag for, uh, for this podcast and right there, it's got the status, it's got the pending, the start and the end times. It's got the, uh, um, what is it? The chat server information. It's got the social interact. It's got all of it in there. And I always thought, well, if I'm just publishing this continuously, people will see it.
And they have, this is how podcasting was bootstrapped, man. Like people would change something and I'd add it to my feed and then publish the daily source code. And we have all this stuff. We're publishing it. You can test against it with live stuff all the time. Same for no agenda. It's not a small show, by the way. If people want to, if you create a kick-ass app, I promote it.
I've been doing it ever for years now, ever since this show started podcastapps.com from time to time, I'll mention one of the podcasts. It's always going to be one that has the live item tag that understands it because that's part of the beauty of it. And when I tell people, this is my pitch. Uh, besides the wonderful chapters, when we go live, you'll get a notification right there in your app. It'll tell you it's the bat signal. We're going live.
You can listen where your podcast, when you get your podcast, you listen to us live. And then when we publish it 90 seconds later, you'll be notified that it's there. You don't have to wait two hours for Apple. It's a great pitch. People love that. Now, excuse me. I'm sorry. No, I just think like, I feel. You feel like a woman. I feel like a woman. I think that the biggest hurdle now is just getting, getting this, getting adoption by, by apps.
And I don't know any other way to do it than just right. You know, I, I, this is another one of those things that, uh, the episode that from, uh, last week with, with Tom, with our talk with Tom is, uh, I realized that I sort of forgotten how powerful writing is. And, um, because you know, what reason we had Tom on the show is because he wrote an article and we all read it and it all meant something to us.
And we, we dissected it and then, you know, Matt felt, you know, felt a certain way and he responded to it and then we read it and felt a certain way and we had him on the show. All of these things sort of happened around, around a lot of writing that happened. And I think that I had sort of forgotten that. So really the failure of podcasting 2.0 is your fault is what you're saying. It, I'm perfectly willing to accept that. The failure. Yes. The death of podcasting 2.0 is my fault.
Yeah. Cause we all know it's dead. It's dead, Jim. I love the side channel part because that when you see that, that's when you really see how rich, and I'm referring to the blog post link in the show notes. That's where you really see how rich this environment is. By the way, I can't interact with Disney plus. I can't sit there and chat with people about, you know, house of David that I'm watching on Amazon. I'd love to. I can't do any of that.
I can't write from, I should be able to write from, from Hulu or how about this? Right from angel studios for the chosen man. If they had a funding tag in there, I'd click on it and I'd fund them. Yeah. Funding tag, please people funding tag, please people bring that back into your apps, bring it in and make it clear what it is. This is something I've noticed is that we've gotten very used to iconography and man is hard sometimes. What do you mean?
So in Godcaster, we have a heart for um, donations, which in church language is giving, it's giving, but in, uh, in lots of podcast app language, a heart means I'm favoriting that, or it might be a star. You know, there's all kinds of different, uh, there's all kinds of different icons for the same function. And, uh, and I'm kind of torn. Is that a, is that really the choice of the developer or is it a choice of the publisher or is it a combination of the two?
Because if I'm, because I have to say, if you want to support this podcast, what is that? Uh, what kind are you drinking? LaCroix pure. I don't want, I want to be unadulterated on the show today. Um, do I say in pod verse, uh, tap on the stack of money icon and, uh, you know, so there's all these different ways and I'm, I don't have an answer. I'm just throwing it out there. I think I have an answer. I'm all, of course you do. You're the pod Sage. Not like that.
But I mean, like, I think I have something like an answer and that's, um, um, the, the publisher feed, I think is going to become more important over time. Hmm. You know, you know what?
So the, see there's another, I'm already thinking of something else that, that needs to be written here and that's, um, how hard it is to have a vision of something that is going to take a long time and get people not to be frustrated and to just sort of trust, not even trust, sort of see the vision along with you, you know, like, because some of these things are just going to take a very, very long time. Yes, they do. That's, this is why we're still doing it. Yeah. Five years.
Yeah. We're not actually getting paid to do this at people. We're doing this because we care and it may take another 10 years or 15 years for some of these things to come to fruition. That doesn't mean they failed. So, but you know, I think the publisher thing, the publisher feed is going to potentially be, is going to have something to do with what you're talking about. Interesting. Because you can define that in the publisher feed. Yeah, I think so. I like that. I like that.
The publisher feed could become sort of the way that you deliver styles and iconography and these other sort of got sort of like a visual guidance to the end platform, be it an app or whatever. I mean, it doesn't mean the app has to do it.
It just means that you can deliver it and say, Hey, if you show, and I don't know how this would be described in the markup, but I'm just saying like maybe somewhere in the markup of the publisher feed, there's a description language that says, Hey, support links that lead to donation pages. We want them to have an icon that looks like a stack of coins instead of a heart. Oh, that, that would, yes, that makes a lot of sense. I like that.
And it doesn't mean that the apps have to do it, but they have the option of letting the publisher control the UI in some, in some way so that it, so that the publisher could say, well, you know, this is what I would like it to look like because we've already run into that with, you know, some people don't want money icons on their, no, they want the words give, give. Yeah. You know, or, or something like that.
So, I mean, everybody's going to have different sort of, you know, versions of that same thing. So, I don't know. Thank you for that silence. I love that. That's one of my favorite things in a podcast. I mean, we can just roll the rest of the show out like that. I got a mute button right here. Pensive thoughts. I mean, I've got a book. I just read this book. I can just finish reading this chapter. I just realized that GitHub has a blame section. Did you say blame? Yeah. Blame. B-L-A-M-E. Blame.
For what? Well, I'm looking at the, at the namespace. I'm looking at publishers.md. It has preview and then it has the code and then it has a tab called blame. The blame featuring GitHub helps track changes in a file showing who last modified each line. Who's to blame? Well, me. Always. It's always my fault. I didn't realize that it was called blame. It should be a Dave button. It shouldn't be blame. I'm blaming, just blaming on Dave. Yeah. All right. How do we close out this conversation here?
How do we end this? What needs to be tackled next? I mean, as far as like, when it comes to writing and evangelism, what needs? Well, this is part of our, if we have any issue, is we move on quickly to the next thing. Maybe we try out this process with one tag, with the live item tag. Get Franco on the show, since he keeps us grounded. And really focus on this, send people to, you know, one tag at a time, right? One inch at a time. Okay. And this is, it is a huge tag.
And it's one that we already see media opportunities for beyond what podcasting is today. So maybe this is the one. And I will tell you that there are companies out there looking very, very closely at the live item tag. Hello, Rocky. We see you listening. And we're going to have her on the show too, right? I hope so. I see she responded to me. I got to get back to her. Because she sees tremendous opportunity for her own company, but for podcasting in general.
Of course, for the podcast industrial complex, which we're not necessarily beholden to, but we want to help. So I think that's maybe, I mean, chapters, I think was very successful. There was already a chapters out there. So, you know, it was already kind of in the works. And some apps are just never going to do it. But when I see PocketCast doing it, I'm very happy. Yeah, I think that's great. So, and I think we could even get PocketCast do the live item tag.
Oh, I think there's no doubt they will do it. They will, they will. I think they absolutely will do it. It's, I have no doubt in my mind that within, you know, a couple of years, they'll have it in there. Excellent. A couple of years. A couple of years, it should be done today. Podcasting's dying. We got to do it now. And that's the problem. And that's the whole problem. But I like, I like what you're, I like what you're saying. We need to stay on, on the one tip for a while. Yeah, just the tip.
Just you stay on just one, this one tip for a while. And yeah, and then, and just to, because that's the other problem is, is that the, the sort of like news cycle, you know, you, you put out an article or something like that. And then if you don't follow up, if you don't kind of continue to, to write and put out information, it just gets completely lost.
So we'll need to, you know, I'll need to continue on this sort of strain until we start to see some movement, you know, and, and just, or at least run it until, you know, we, we think we've sort of wrenched every drop out of, of, of the evangelism effort that we can possibly do. Yeah. And I think that we should probably, you know, if something just isn't being adopted for whatever reason, then maybe that's a signal we take as well. Maybe we need to move on to a different one. Yeah, maybe so.
Yeah. And then that can be our leadership evangelism role. What is that like? Yeah. Like evangelism. We also need to have Matt Medeiros on the show. Cause he's the, he's an evangelist. He's a troublemaker, man. I don't know if we want him on the show. He's trouble. He's just, he's a YouTuber. He's not a podcaster. Whoa. Oh, I'm throwing down that. Now you really got to have him on the show. I want to, I want to hear spicy Matt. Mad Matt, not spicy Matt. Mad Matt. Matt, I want to hear that.
Okay. Yeah. You just, you, you just, I did, I did fighting words on the show in the, in the board meeting. All right. Let me see. Oh, let's, let's thank some people, Dave. And we can wrap up with some, with some nice love talk. Okay. I'll kick it off. We have been receiving some live boosts as much appreciated and some good ones too. 11,155 from Ross Clark. Ross Clark. I don't know. I don't know if I, if I've ever seen Ross Clark. R A S C L A R T. Ross Clark.
I'm going to, you know, I think we've, I think we've got a defragment Ross Clark. I don't think Ross Clark has ever boosted. I could be wrong. Isn't that Dreb Scott's kids? Well, he fragmented. Yes, I believe so. And Ross Clark says, appreciate you. I N P C. I N P C. I N P C. I N P C. What does that mean? I N P C. In no particular case. It's a short, it's an abbreviation for anthroponetic. A thousand sats from, and he's coming in from Podverse. Actually there's CLAAS on Linux.
Just coming in with a fresh boost. Thousand sats. Almost got run over. I'm on a walk and it's dark. Normally I have a light, but that wasn't charged. Car got very close, man. I don't want to die listening to Dave talk about riding the tip. Don't walk around at night in all black. Let that be a warning to all of you. If you, if you have to go out, I really don't want you to go out listening to my voice. I want it to be much more meaningful than that. CLAAS comes back with another thousand sats.
The tech part is not hard, bro. My feed parser is already over 1500 lines long and it doesn't work yet. I don't even want that much data from a feed. Probably should refactor it. Put people out, out a lot, or put out a lot of bad different things in their feeds. Well, yes, this is why the podcast index exists. This is why we're here. To handle that stuff, handle that stuff for you. Another CLAAS on Linux. AI now is good when you do code stuff that is common.
Also don't go in with threads too long. It's going to screw up too. Don't use AI for code if you don't know how to read what it wants to do. Well, that's very helpful and that's not the promise. That is not the promise. Another reason why Satya Nadella is full of crap is because Copilot, I've tried to use it two times. I've tried to use it in Excel and I asked it to produce a pie chart for me and it said chug, chug, chug, chug. It actually says chug? It says chug? Yeah, it does a chug.
It doesn't say a chug. Oh, okay. It just chugs along for a minute and then it pops up and it goes, ping, I made you a pie chart. Where's that pie chart? It's not there. You can't find it. It's probably, no, it's on your OneDrive. Go get it out of the folder on your OneDrive. And then today I used it.
I was looking at a clearly a phishing email and I hit the summarize button at the top of my Outlook window and I thought, because I hit it, because I thought, I wonder if it'll tell me this looks like a phishing email because it was clearly a phishing email. And so I hit the summarize button and guess what happened? It summarized it. Outlook crashed. Yes. So I opened Outlook back up, hit the summarize button again, and it crashed again. Okay, this thing is a piece of crap.
Wow. But it's the future. And you know, this will all work great when we have quantum computing. So don't worry, it's all coming. That's what it needs. Yeah, it needs what it needs. You ever notice that they talk about qubits in quantum computing? Yeah, qubits. Yeah, where else do you know? I only know qubits from one other place. What is that? From the Bible. Oh, but it's spelled differently. It's spelled differently, sure. But you can't fool me, Silicon Valley.
No, they're building the digital Noah's Ark. That's right. Row of ducks from Lyceum coming in from pod fans. Dave, welcome back to the blogosphere. I've been blogging since 2002. This is Martin Lindeskog. I will read your long form blog post during the weekend. I will link to it in the near future. I am more of a pundit blogger. You have the ducks in a row. I look forward to going live in the future as soon as I figured out the way of doing it on podhome.fm. All the best, Martin Lindeskog.
Martin, can I get on your blog roll? Just came in 5,000 stats from the no agenda millennial. Basing your AI view on copilot or chat GPT is like saying podcast apps suck and only use Apple and Spotify. Might I suggest Claude AI? Yes, you might. But I'm not doing it again. I've got void zero. That's a void zero. My AI, my void zero AI reached out to me through Telegram and said, silly man, I know everything about liquid soap. Let's do a coding session together. That's what I want.
I don't want artificial intelligence. I want actual intelligence. Exactly. Well, I'm getting it. That's what's so beautiful. Oh, 10,948 Israeli freedom boost from Sir Brian of London. Hey, Brian. Coming in on podverse. If anyone in the audience is a current computer science student, PhD student or researcher and wants to help me publish something about pod paying, get in touch. I want to talk. Dr. Brian of London. Hey, Dr. Nice. 420. Brian back on the saddle.
Yes. 420. Well, he's not being bombarded with missiles recently. So it's easier to think. It's easier to think when missiles aren't dropping on your head. 420 stats from Lyceum. Coming in from true fans. Adam, what are your plans for April 20th? I'm not a pothead, but I am for legalization. Here's a super comment with 420 Satoshi's best premises. Oh, that's Martin Lindsay Koge again. I don't celebrate that anymore. I've never really had. 1234 from Salty Crayon. Salty Sage.
Dave will need to verify his favorite flavor of crayon. The mix between beef milkshake and popcorn in the pipe. Periwinkle. That's my favorite crayon. A thousand again from Silos on Linux. The blue check mark on X is paid. Yes, it costs about $50 a month now. 54 in Germany for the highest tier called premium plus. Good Lord. Salty Crayon on CurioCaster. He got the bad signal. Thank you very much. Then let me see. Do we have the. The. Randy Black.
That's just before the delimiter, so we'll hit that one. 5000 sats from Podverse. Dave Jones must be commended and acknowledged for the legend he is. A tremendous blog post on the value of live podcasting came out and was able to be featured in the pod news newsletter. Way to go, Dave. Running with scissors, but be sure to not raw dog it like you did with that curry. It was tremendously long. And then just on the very edge here, the cutting edge triple, no, four sevens from Dreb Scott.
That's why I heard the angel boost, boost, boost, boost. And one more thousand sad boost from Silos on Linux. You only don't celebrate 420 because of those six BTC you spent. That's right. That's right. I once bought when, what was the name of the online marketplace? Oh, Silk Road. Silk Road. Yeah. When Silk Road was just starting up and I tried it and I'm like, well, and we did it on no agenda. I was like, well, let me see if I can buy some weed. And I bought a baggie of weed for six Bitcoin.
I mean, I thought I was a genius and when I sold six Bitcoin back, you know, a few years ago for $1,800 each to, for a trip to California, I was like, man, I sold it right at the top. Nailed it. Nailed it. Well, they're just coming in hot now. Four, four sevens from GagglePod. GagglePod. That's Kyle from Once Told here. Once told. I think he needs to be defragmented.
I wonder if podcast hosting companies know that they can support the lit tag without needing to provide the actual streaming server. Love you guys. Have a great weekend. Go podcasting. Go podcasting! Yeah. Yeah, of course. RSS.com does and Blueberry both. They both do that. And Podhome and I think RSSblue.com support it and Podhome even gives you a streaming server. Yeah. Spin one up. I think they're the only one so far that does.
Yeah. But the rest of them that support, yeah, they definitely know that. It's easy, man. Just get yourself some liquid soap, ice cast server and chat GPT. You'll be on your on the road soon. Yeah, it's just that simple. And once you recompile your kernel, you'll be good to go. Man, what a piece of crap. I could not believe it. Oh, looks like we got to recompile your kernel. So FFmpeg will work perfectly. I don't think so. I'm not that stupid. I haven't recompiled.
I've not recompiled a Linux kernel in many, many years. I wonder what it's even like now. It used to be this. Yeah, there's like DOS screens. Yeah. And you would walk through it and choose the modules you wanted to load. I've done it. I've done it. Back in the old days with like Red Hat 6.2 and stuff, you would have, you needed to recompile your kernel because it has so much bloated crap in it. I love BoosterGram. So I just got a BoosterGram for the no agenda show.
Episode 1750, 1,000 sats from someone actually. And the BoosterGram is, Adam pissed me off basically the entire episode. I love that. And they paid you to say that. I love that. That makes me feel so good. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. I hit the delimiter here. So you're up, Dave. Oh, theboysatrss.com, Ben and Alberto, 1123.58. Boom! You guys, thank you so much. That is truly, truly fantastic. Keeps the servers running, boys. Thank you. Thank you to Adam and Dave.
Like the Fibonacci sequence, your work is a symbol of growth, balance and beauty. Each step amplifying the last, pushing open podcasting forward. Alberto, Ben and the team at rss.com. You guys rock. Thank you. They said they're going to be at Evolutions, and I was talking to Alberto in the emails this morning about some stuff with the index database dump. Now, is there a PSP get-together at Podcast Medium? Is that what's happening? I don't know.
I'm remiss because I have not yet read the article that they put out because they just posted something. Oh, they did? Oh, OK. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like a we're not dead yet article or whatever. Let's see, podcast standards. Was it pod? Yeah, pod stand, pod standards. Pod standards, there it is. Blog, let me see. What we've achieved and what comes. When is this? When was this posted? It was posted like maybe two days ago, I think. Oh, this is a nice article.
OK, I'm going to put that in the show notes as well. Yeah, I like this. I sort of skimmed it, but I printed it out to go back and read later. I just did that today with something. I love printing it out and then reading it. It really does help. It's so it's so much better on the eyes, you know? Yeah, we got some monthlies. We got oh, wait, wait. I need to do Instagrams. What am I doing? Yes, what are you doing? Oh, Bruce, the ugly quacking duck. Twenty two, twenty two through podcast guru.
He says another good episode. Tom definitely has the typical radio voice. Yes, he does. Even though he's never been on the radio. He's a liar. I don't believe him for a second. He's been on NPR for years. NPR, yes. Tom Webster, NPR, Tom Webster, NPR, all things considered. He was on the weekend edition. The B team. I always like the weekend edition of of all things of the NPR. They had like they weren't your typical. They had like more energy and stuff.
They didn't feel like they were dead inside. It's so true. Commissary blogger, the delimiter 17, 655 through fountain. Commissary blogger says. Howdy, Bitcoin bros, Adam and Dave. Today, I'd like to recommend many no agenda podcast called Planet Rage by two Irish Americans, Larry Blytner and Darren O'Neill. They basically play clips and swear in vulgar language and bad mouth Trump haters and Ukraine lovers. Find them at www.planetrage.show. Relaxing podcast for MAGA folk.
Yo, CSB. I like Planet Rage. I haven't listened to it in a while. They go live as well. And it's always a perfect walk in the dog in the afternoon live show. And I often wind up boosting while walking and boosting from my flip phone, which is even more interesting because you can fat finger that thing. Oops, I didn't mean to send 500,000 sets. It's yeah, they're an interesting team. I like them. It's a good show. It's a great name too, Planet Rage. That's exactly the opening of Planet Rage.
Have you ever heard the opening of Planet Rage? I haven't listened to that show in about two years. So no, I don't know. I don't remember what it is. Oh man, you got to hear it. Hold on a second. Planet Rage. Let me see. Where is it? Here we go. Listen to the, oh, here we go. Open up the, uh, yeah. Because that's the way the fucking law is written, you prick. Well, they're, they're doing kind of the no agenda format with, in fact, it's a no, a mini no agenda as comics or bloggers said.
And they do a little clip at the beginning. Just listen to the opening montage though. It's exactly, you did. You know, exactly, exactly the way it goes. That's funny. We got some monthlies. We got Michael Kimmerer, $5 and 33 cents. Chris Bernardik, $5. Dreb Scott, hey Dreb, $15. Jordan Dunville, $10. James Sullivan, $10. Cohen Glossbach, $5. Christopher Reamer, $10. And Pedro Goncalves, $5. That's our group. Ah, lovely. Thank you all so much. Look at the time. Perfect.
One hour, 27 minutes and 21 seconds, which means we could drag it out. But I have a call coming up at 2.30. I need to publish this thing. So I'll get it out. Brother Dave, thank you. You, you really brought it today, man. You, you well thought out. Thank you for the blog post. And I love the kind of the direction that we're going to take. And go lit everybody. Go lit. That's the, that's the term for today is go lit. Go lit or go home or shut up. That's right. Thank you. Board meeting. Thank you.
Boardroom. We appreciate y'all. Dave, have yourself a great weekend, brother. You too, man. We'll see you next week, everybody. For more information. Go podcasting.