Podcasting 2.0 for December 6, 2024, episode 203. Tweet my tweeters. Well, it's getting cold out there, but that doesn't matter. We're still going to bring you Podcasting 2 .0 on your Friday afternoon. This is the place where we discuss all things podcasting. Your true north star. That's right. The boardroom is here, open for all. And we are the only boardroom that does not have a booth at the trade shows.
I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who post-processes his generated tailwind bundle just for fun. Say hello to the pod sage, everybody. My friend on the other end, the one, the only, Mr. Dave Jones. The what? The man who post-processes his generated tailwind bundle just for fun. There it is. Take that and you can just edit that right in. Splice it right in. There's no takesy backsies here in the boardroom. What's said is said.
Nobody will ever know. What's said is said. We're done. That's how we roll. We don't edit anything ever, as far as I can recall. Nobody will ever know. No, no. No one will ever know the difference. Hey, brother, how you doing? Good. Yep. I'm going to be consuming this plate of food as we podcast. So yes, but nobody will ever know because that's how good I am. Yes. What are you eating? I've got a croissant. Oh, croissant. And beef jerky. Now you do a bite of croissant and a bite of jerky.
Is that how you roll? I'm not going to do that because that's gross. And then I also have a beef milkshake. And that's a really weird lunch. Good for you. You know what? When you run, when you run through the kitchen, trying to grab food, grab whatever's available. Yeah, it's the French. Not the French. Not real big on croissant and jerky. And jerky. No, it's well, but we could start a new restaurant. Oh, maybe that'll work. Let me write it down. Let me see if that looks good.
Yeah, it's probably not. Jercois. I think that sounds like a terrible, that sounds sexual. What a great product, Jercois. That sounds way bad. No, don't do that. Oh man, it's been crazy here. I was on a Zoom call with Open Mike. Open Mike, we know him from Toonster and of course the Live Value for Value concerts. And he's organizing December. I want to get, I keep getting it wrong. Is it December? It's Monday, December 16th in Austin at Antone's. Go look on the calendar. Antone's.
Tickets still available. And this is for the Live Boostergram Ball. Yeah, the Boostergram Ball Live. Adam Curry's Boostergram Ball Live, yes. Six bands, it looks like. And he also had the, he's brought in a guy to do a documentary. Parker, of course. He's a Bitcoin guy. He has another guy named Parker. Yeah, he's flying him. Open Mike, he's really been, I mean, he's really all in on this stuff, man. He's putting up the goods to make this happen.
And they've got a whole weekend before that in Austin with the Costellos are coming in and they've got like a round table and all kinds of stuff happening. He's really taking this to the mat. So the documentary will be about Value for Value. Oh, so is he a documentarian? Is that what he does? He is a documentarian, yes. That is his exact title. But he's done Bitcoin documentaries. He's done some good stuff. And so he's... The search for Satoshi? No, not that one.
Okay. No, he's done some other things. And he's in New York. So Open Mike's bringing him into Austin. He's also going to do stuff in Nashville. He'll probably come back in the new year and do stuff out here with me in the Hill Country. He's really putting the work into it. And he has to go to California to talk to Dvorak. I said, you can't do a Value for Value documentary without JCD because he was very instrumental in forming the original kind of concept over 17 years ago.
Okay, so it's not Bitcoin specific. It's a Value for Value documentary. Correct. Value for Value as the monetization model, the programming format, and the international lifestyle. The international lifestyle. It's the new international lifestyle. You didn't know that? You didn't know Value for Value? No, I knew this. It just freaked me out. I think it's actually... Let me see. I think it's actually on the valueforvalue.info website, which I always tell people to go look for. Yes. Let me see.
valueforvalue.info Let me see what it says. Uh, I don't think... Oh, that slogan is not on there. But it does say monetization model, content form, and a way of life. Yes. Okay. A way of life. But I like the new international lifestyle. It's the new international lifestyle, baby. That's what we're all about here. So it was really good, but it screwed up my morning. I mean, we got people coming in. I got... because we have the parade tonight. Parade?
Yeah. Oh, the Fredericksburg Christmas Parade is a big deal. They air it live on CBS Austin. Oh, yeah, that's right. I've heard about it. Yeah. It's the Main Street. No, I'm kidding. It's the Main Street Parade. And we've got the oil baron and his fiancee coming in. They're staying overnight. So I'll learn a lot about oil. Woo! And then... Now, is there floats that go down the street? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, it's a full-on electrical light parade. It's good old boys, too. Hayride?
Hayrides, everything. Yeah. Nice. I mean, we have the quintessential Main Street in Texas. I mean, this is the one. We have the marked plots. We've got the Eisbahn. So we have the skating rink open. We have an entire square that is just all the trees are lit up. All the Main Street, all the stores. It is what you want from an old -school American German Christmas. Does the city have a Christmas tree in the town square? Yes. Yeah, the marked plots. Absolutely. Nice. This is a hallmark movie.
But wait for it. So tomorrow, and they have the market going on at 6.30. The market officially closes at 6.30. We kick in. We're doing a Christmas concert. We've got the Rev. 1211 Orchestra, which is about 10 different worship leaders from churches all around Texas. And they're doing a multimedia presentation of the greatest story ever told. So it's going to be videos running, like, you know, the chosen Christmas scene and stuff. It's not jingle bells.
It's going to be, I mean, these are top-notch musicians. And so I'm emceeing that. Nice. Yeah, so we're all into the Fred Christmas spirit, man. We are all in. Hello, Fred. Hello, Fred. Yes, hello, Fred. So we've got a couple things to talk about. Maybe we can just, without going too deep, we'll do a little update where you think we are and the stuff I've been seeing on the wallet switchover. Let's just call it the wallet segment.
Now, wait, Drip Scott just posted a link to www.fredericksburgchristmasparade.com. Oh, virtual viewing. Is that a real link? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's a long domain name. I hope nobody has an email address at that. Looks like it's streaming live on YouTube. Let me click on it. Let me see what they got. Do they have anything live yet? Oh. We are Fredericksburg Strong. That's Fredericksburg, Virginia. No. No, no. Look at Virginia trying to steal Texas. Oh, man. No, good. Take that away.
That link is no good. Take it away. Delete it off IRC. Virginia. Yeah, delete it off IRC. So people are working on stuff. There's a lot of talking going on. I've seen some stuff. I've been hanging out in the Stephen Bell cinematic universe. He's already upgraded sovereign feeds to handle the new LN addresses. He even has a value block updater in there. So it'll go through all of the feeds that you use in sovereign feeds and put in the new blocks when you're ready. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.
He is running. He is running. He's running real hard. But I think there's still some confusion and people have thoughts. I mean, what have you picked up in the past week? Uh, well, I mean. I know it's hard to I've had a little bit of trouble keeping up with. Right. With wherever people are at. I mean, there's let me see if I can kind of step back a little bit because part of the I mean, I think part of the issue is that. Nothing is OK.
The main confusion has been who this is going to affect and who it's not. Can we agree on that? Yeah. Well, it's going to affect everybody. Well, I mean, yes and no. See, that's that's the hard. That's kind of you kind of summed up the difficulty of this because. It's going to affect. Everybody that's not fountain. Breeze. Wavelake. I mean, like there are people that is not that are not going to be affected. I mean, like fountains just going to keep on trucking.
They're not going to be affected at all. And then, you know, like if you claimed your if you claimed your show through fountain. And. Then you're most of your listeners are also using fountain. Then you're not going to see any difference. Ah, hold on a sec. Hold on a second. If people have claimed their show on fountain, which means they have made use of the partner API slash shim in the podcast index, that information will have to change.
No, no. No, because Keysand will continue to work because Zebedee is the back end in fountain. Fountain is going to continue to support the current. You know, the the keys and value blocks on out. But doesn't fountain want to move to the Ellen address format? They will over they will over time. Yeah, but but they you know, this is going to be a slow transition for them as well.
But I mean, if you've claimed your feed through fountain and using a fountain wallet address, anyone else trying to send to you from another app, which will no longer have keys and available, that's going to fail. So it does affect people. Right. That's that's that's where you begin to get affected. So like if you're if you let's say that you. I'm going to paint difference. The only way I know how to do this is just to paint different scenarios. Like so if you are.
Um. If you're a artist on Wavelake. And your wallet is through them and people are listening to your music on fountain. You will not see a difference. OK, nothing will change if you are an artist on Wavelake and people are listening to you on Wavelakes app or let's say on Breeze. Nothing will change. You will see no difference. The. The. If you are. If you are a music artist who claimed through. Sovereign feeds. And you claimed to a wallet. That your own wallet that supports. Keysend. Keysend.
Let's say your own node. And most of your listeners are on fountain. Or on Wavelake. You won't see a difference. Or Breeze. The the places you're going to see the places that are going to be affected initially. Are going to be. Third are going to be third party. It's not third party, that's the wrong term. We're going to be apps that used. Albies free hosting as a way to get listener wallets. Mm hmm. They're no longer going to be able. The wallets are just going to go away.
Um, if you don't excuse me, let me be specific. If. You the wallet will go away if you do not. Convert it to an Albie hub, which 99 % of those people will not. Right. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. So. That's and I heard something about Albie converting. Those sets into free credits or something like that for an Albie hub. I think that's don't know. I didn't hear about that. Yeah, I may be wrong. So. If you are a listener. On. Castamatic. Um, you're not, you're just not.
And unless you decide that you want to do an Albie hub, which most of them will not. You're going to lose the ability to send boosts to people. Same with Podverse. Right. True fans. Uh, you're not there. If you list, if you are a true fans listener. Sending. Uh, boosts to somebody who claimed on Wavelake or. Fountain. Or their own node. You're not going to see a, there's, you're not going to see a problem. They're going to continue to function. So as far as I can tell.
There's only two main apps that are going to be affected by this. Well, excuse me. No, I'm sorry. There's a couple. Yes. Podcast addict. Podcast guru. Podverse. And Castamatic. Podcast addict does never supported streaming sets anyway. Okay. So Castamatic, Podverse, Podcast guru. Yes. Those three. So you're going to initially. And. I think everybody else is going to. Um. Is going to be able to function. Uh, except those three. Curio caster is going to integrate strike.
I think, I think Steven said he was also going to continue to support Albie hub. Obviously. Albie hub. Okay. Yeah. So that one. That's, that's a hard one. Um, not, I'm not sure there. Okay. So in this scenario, how do we transition to Ellen address? So that. The other, the other three big ones, I consider them to be big. Podverse podcast grew fountain. So that they can transition to. Uh, the new wallet integration. No podcast guru, Podverse Castamatic. Castamatic. I'm sorry.
So they can, uh, transition into the new Ellen address. The, all these other services will also need to turn into Ellen address. Uh, they will have to have an Ellen address. Yes. The Ellen address will have to slowly come into the feed and as that, but, but really that is going to have to happen on a time scale, uh, on a timeframe where Albie and fountain are both comfortable doing that. So. I don't know how long is this going to take?
I mean, because there's a new, there's a new standard here, right? So there's the Ellen address options file standard and that options file format has to be supported by fountain and Albie, uh, and wave Lake. Does, does what strike does, is that actually Ellen address or is that only Ellen URL pay? Strike. Yeah. It's Ellen URLP. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. So they don't, so that is not Ellen address. No, that is not Ellen address.
And so the, the, this guy, this was the part of the confusion, uh, last week with what Oscar was saying that, that is just, it's just honestly hard to explain is that Ellen, Ellen URLP, um, Ellen URLP is a, you know, is, is a way to get, it's, it's a bunch of things. It's, it's an L it's a lightning address format, but also a way to get payments, uh, generate invoices so that you can pay an invoice. So Ellen, Ellen address, uh, which is the kind of format we're working with.
Um, Ellen address is the, is a way to specify more, a bunch of different format options because the thing, Ellen URLP, Ellen URLP only, it assumes bolt 11. So that's the issue. And, and honestly, what we're trying to build is something that's a little bit agnostic to, to podcasting itself.
We're trying to attach lightning addresses to a options file where you can ask what format of, of invoice does the other side accept, which is a step up, which is a, uh, a layer, a level above Ellen URLP, which assumes bolt 11. So now you say, okay, we're not going to assume anything we're going to ask. We're okay. Let me, let me start from me.
It's like, you've got an address, uh, spurlock at, you know, livewire.com, uh, and that you say, okay, I, this, he's given me this as his payment, uh, address, but I don't know what I can send him in that. Now let's talk. We're, we're talking about this and we're going to come up with an, I'm going to actually go back to a similar issue when it comes to, um, in a moment when it comes to talking about Alex Gates's proposal for the meta boost.
So we'll, you know, stick a pin in this concept because we're going to come back to it because the, that's the, that's the issue is the Ellen URLP assumed bolt 11. And now we're saying, okay, wait, we can't assume bolt 11. We can't assume a key send. We can't assume anything. Let's ask the, let's ask the owner of the payment address what they can accept. And when you do that, we, you need a new format. And that's what we built. We built the options file.
And this was under the advice of Roy who said, Hey, just build, build it. There needs to be a way to specify the different payment formats that the other side accepts. So now instead of just seeing a lightning address, assuming it's bolt 11 and asking for a payment invoice, now you see the lightning address, you query an options file that says, okay, here's the different payment methods I accept. Is it key send, bolt 11, bolt 12, or all three?
So you can put multiple ones into your Ellen address, uh, well-known file. Well-known options. Well-known options. Ah, okay. So that, that's the part I was confused about. So you can put different ones in there. That's cool. Yes. So Dave at podcastindex.org may be, may, might be a lightning address. And in the past that was always going to be assumed to be LNURLP, which is bolt 11. Now you can look up the options file and get back. Oh, I see here.
I can, I can pay Dave through key send or bolt 12 as well. Okay. So just so I understand, so I will have to, as a, as a sovereign individual with my start nine, I will somewhere have to create this file that can be accessed that has my, uh, well-known options in it. Yes. If, if you're sovereign, yes, if you're sovereign, you will have to do that yourself in some way. Okay. But even if I use strike, I'll have to use that. I'll have to get one of those somewhere.
If you're using strike to receive, yes. And, uh, yeah, we have no idea where those come from, uh, from Jesus. If I pray hard enough, you pray and you're delivered one. Okay. So that's something that, that, uh, that sounds like a service by the way. It sounds like a service. I mean, I mean, well, I mean, I'll be, I'll be in fountain and yeah, they essentially have that. Right. I mean, I can, I can use my dad. Yeah. So I would love that.
I would love to just be, that'd be super easy to use my, uh, my, my, uh, what is it? Adam at get Albie.com. And then, and, and, and it went and I can then connect through them. I guess I can connect whatever wallet I want through Nostra wallet connect or whatever it's called. Right. Right. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, exactly. So you would, you would have, yes. Cause strike strike supports, uh, you know, Ellen URLP. Uh, so you went through there, here, here's the way you would munch this together.
Strikes. If you're using strike as yours, as your pay, as your destination wallet in your podcaster, you would have, you would needs, you would need an options file, a well-known options file that lives at the payment address location that you've designated. And then in that options file, one of the, one of the options for your bolt 11 option, you're going to return the strike Ellen URP in point that belongs to you. Right. Right. Got it. So it allows the app to look up what it can send you.
Got it. So it's another, it's another, it's another lookup step. Um, you know, but which can potentially be cashed for a little bit, I guess. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Okay. So I'll be, we'll be able to provide me that, uh, Ellen address, uh, lookup file. I think, I mean, that's, I think so. That's the impression I got. That's the impression I got that they would be, which I, which is great.
I mean, that would actually, I mean, the way it seems to me in this scenario is that Albie can still play a very important role by, by keeping everyone. So, you know, I'll be, if you use your Albie address, uh, and you use Nostra wallet connect to connect to, I'm just going to use strike as an example, then not much would have to change. If I'm using Podverse, I can still use my Albie API. I'm just connecting that address. No longer, I no longer have a wallet there.
I connected through their Nostra wallet connect service to strike. Am I thinking properly that way? Uh, yes, I think so. I mean, if, if Albie supports it, you know, and I, and I think my understanding is that they're going to support the lookup and that would be great. So, you know, we'll, we'll see what they come up with. I mean, I think they're grumpy about it and I don't blame them. Why are they grumpy about it? Don't they want people using, I thought that that's what they wanted.
I thought they were happy about it. No, no, no. I don't, I'm not, I'm not being ugly about it. I'm just saying, I think like, I don't, you know, I don't think I get the impression that Boomi didn't want to have to, you know, jump through another set of protocols and I get it. It was their idea. No, no. Well, the Ellen address was their idea. No. Yeah, but the options file, I don't think was, you know, I think, I think we just could, but it's good for everybody though.
Ultimately, Roy, Roy, I think Roy was right. I mean, you just need, you need, you know, and again, we're going to talk about this with, with Alex's thing. You're going to need some level of, you gotta have an extraction layer. If you're gonna, if you're gonna do abstraction, here's the thing, if you're going to do abstraction, you better, you need to go all the way with it. Yeah, I agree. Might as well go. Don't half-ass it. Yeah, do it, do it right. Do it, do it, just do it.
Yeah, I mean, you know, because it's like, okay, now we've hamstrung ourself and two years from now, we're going to have to go through this whole thing again for this new payment model. You know, it's just, I don't think, yeah, you just get, you better go ahead and do it right the first time. I'm with you. Okay. That piece we've got. Now, the next piece is the payment information piece. The metadata. The metadata. And I just want to give my two cents before you kick into this. Yeah, go for it.
What I've seen is a lot of discussion about should the RSS feed determine where the, where the, where the podcaster wants that information stored or is that something on the sender side? And although I am agnostic, I would say that to date, it has always been the sender side that has been responsible for getting all the information to the recipient.
And there's been no, no control files, no information in the feed itself about that particular information because it was being sent along with the payment in the, in the TLV record. So for my thinking, my thinking is it makes sense for the sender to be responsible for that. PodSage, go. You caught me with a mouthful of cork. Okay. Yeah, but the, the sender, but I mean, the difference in the past though, is the sender only had, the sender was sending the metadata with the payment.
So the payment, they're, they're in a bundle. I understand. I understand. So, I mean, now, now this is different. Okay. Yeah. That's why I said I'm agnostic. I was just setting up. You just reiterated what I said. Thank you. Okay. So I think, I think this preserves your sense of, of that whole thing though.
Okay. So Alex's proposal is why don't we put, since they're going to be separated, why don't we put in the feed the, the location that this data is going to, and I'm going to be very specific about my language here. Okay. Why don't we put in the feed a web location where this data will be interchanged? It doesn't mean that that's where the data has to live.
It just means that if you want to get metadata and payment boost metadata, i.e. the TLV record, if you want to get that information into a place that the podcaster can use it, or if you want to get it back out of a place where the podcaster owns it, here's the protocol that you're going to use to interface, to get it in and out. So that means this is very similar to podping by the podping.cloud, by the way. Podping.cloud is not, is not podping. Podping.cloud is an interface into podping.
So if you want to send podpings, one way you can do it is through podping .cloud. It's a standardized protocol. It's just an HTTP endpoint. And it says, okay, if you want to send a podping, here's how you do it through podping.cloud. You're going to send us an HTTP request and it's going to have to look like this, and it's going to be this. And once you do that, we're going to take it, and then we're going to send it to the Hive blockchain for you on your behalf.
That's similar to what Alex is proposing here. He's saying, why don't we have a standardized protocol, a REST or a REST-based protocol where you send, where if you need to send payment proofs or retrieve payment proofs, here's the location, here's the endpoint location and the data interchange format, the API spec.
Now, what you do with that metadata on the backend, once you receive it as the podcaster or as the service providing the service to the podcaster, what you do with those payment proofs, that's your business. You can take those payment proofs and then stick it on Nostr, XMPP. You can stick it in, you can do whatever you want. Wherever it lives beyond that, that is not of concern.
But in order to be able to have a sort of a universal way that apps can speak metadata, a payment proof, this would be the language of payment proof interchange. Now, understood. Is this something that could or should live in the LN address options file, or is this another lookup that has to be performed by the app? It wouldn't necessarily be a lookup.
I could see where it would be sometimes beneficial for if you're going beyond podcasting, I can see where this would be beneficial to have it in the LN address options file. It could be there if you wanted to sort of like get beyond the podcasting use case, but it doesn't have to. Like, I'm really kind of agnostic on that point. It could or it...
Well, the reason why I ask is because if it's one thing to say, okay, we're replacing value block in feeds with an LN address lookup file, or LN address, which points to a lookup file. It's another thing for hosting companies. I'm thinking on their behalf right now. Now they have to add another field into the feed for the metadata information. So that's the only reason why I thought maybe it's just simpler to add all of that into the LN address lookup file, options lookup file. Possible.
Yeah, it's possible. I mean, this is sort of... Alex is proposing using JPTs, the JSON payment token for the proof, for the signed proof. And that's agnostic to podcasting. It's not domain specific to what we're doing. So that's generic enough to pull out and put that into an options file. I think this can evolve. It could go... I could see it going either way. I'm just looking from the hosting company standpoint of putting yet another thing that they need to add into the feed.
I mean, it happens all the time. It's just you're adding more complexity. Again, I'm just talking out of my butt because what do I know? Well, the benefit of doing it in the feed, like anything, I think there's probably some trade-offs here. The benefit of doing it in the feed is that you may have podcast apps that don't support payments but still want to show some of this data. Maybe they don't have listener wallets, but if it's in the feed, they could still speak the language to do that.
Say that again. Just repeat that for me. I got to parse that. Well, let's say that you just have like a pod page. They may not support paying a podcast, boosting a podcast through Lightning, but they might want to show boosts on your pod page under the episodes with all the comments and with all these kinds of things, but they want to make sure that they only show verified ones. Oh, okay.
So that would be a use case where it would be more helpful to have it in the feed because they don't have payment infrastructure. They could maybe look up the LN URL, the LN pay address, but it might just be easier to have it in the feed. Okay. All right. And Alex is in the boardroom. He makes a good point. He's talking about Monero doesn't really have this options file type of thing. If we do it in this sort of payment agnostic way where it's in the feed. Right.
You don't need an options file if you're going to use Monero as value. I got it. I got it. Right. But that's up to the LN URL people. But hold on a second. I'm sorry. Sorry to interrupt. Because this is important. So let's say there's a new token that comes along. It's Monero. They want to utilize value for value. Totally valid. Even the naming of LN address is a misnomer because it's payment specific. Should it not be even more agnostic than that?
So that in the future, maybe, you know, I don't know, real time payments from Fed now. I'm just, you know, there's all kinds of things that could become available to put into that payment options file. Do we want to even name that LN address? It doesn't matter what it's called, but just you understand my point? Shouldn't all payment go in there so that you can say, well, I prefer Monero, but fall back to LN URL pay or PayPal or I don't know what, I mean, whatever is coming in the future.
Yeah. But that you're talking about when I'm, when I've, if I'm a, if I'm a podcaster, if I'm a podcaster and I've said, okay, I have a lightning address. Here it is. I can accept lightning. I've put that into my value block as lightning. Ah, okay. I'm with you. So a Monero guy is going to put that value block in there as Monero. So that's going to be a completely different thing. Got it. Okay. I'm just thinking you might want to have a fallback, but whatever. Monero guys probably don't.
Well, the Monero guy will have a, you know, they'll, they'll just have a different, a different payment type in the, in the value recipient. Yeah. Value type or yeah. Right. Payment type. So LN address, the law options look up and all of a sudden everything comes into it. Okay. Okay. Well, that sounds mighty complicated. Yeah. All right. Does it, does everybody have enough to work with from here? I mean, I don't think we have to beat this course even deader than it already is.
I mean, it seems like this thing is a bloody stump at this point, but, but, but, but let's, let's all just, I think Steve, I think Steven B, God bless him has made some great points this week. This, this, the, the thing, these problems we're trying to solve, these are payment infrastructure problems, which is not trivial, insignificant. No, it's not true. No, these are, we're, we are doing things that are hard. And when you do hard things, you're going to have to make trade-offs.
Things are going to suck. Sometimes, you know, things are going to break. People are going to disagree. Like all of these, all of those things are going to happen because these are hard things. So it's the pod stage. These are hard things. It might suck. The, this, the great wisdom from at the top of the thousand stairs is things suck sometimes. There you go. Yeah. Things sometimes suck.
Okay. Well, I, I, I feels like things are underway and that people are building things and, and putting things together. So it kind of feels like our typical process. Yeah. Um, is everyone, uh, I mean, so. This is a rebuilding the plane in flight process. Yes. That's right. That's right. That's exactly what it is. The first time we went through this, there was no, there was no payments flowing at all. And now there are, so, you know, obviously people don't want to mess that up.
So, so on the, um, the JSON payment token, uh, you like this? Oh yeah. No, I think it's great. Yeah. I'm a fan of, of that format. Um, and Oscar can use that in his Nostra environment if he wants to go that way. Uh, yeah, it could be included for sure. Yeah. It's pain. It's very agnostic to any sort of format.
So, I mean, basically you just, you know, your site, you're just proving that you had the pre-image by signing it and sending it back, uh, with your, with your payment data and the, you know, no, I like, I like the format, but there again, you can have the, the MetaBoost API, the MetaBoost API, um, protocol that's being proposed in the, you know, in the MetaBoost tag spec, uh, proposal. Let me see, let me, let me get the discussion number real quick. I think he posted it in the boardroom.
Oh, okay. It's a discussion number 676 on, on the GitHub name space repo. Six, seven, six. Six, seven, six. Yes. Um, that there, he links to an open API, a Swagger spec there where you can, um, where you can grab that and stick it in a Swagger, um, a compatible API. I got Swagger. Yeah. You can put that in a, in a Swagger, a compatible API Explorer and, and look at the spec and, and hash, you know, we can hash all that out on, on the GitHub or in the spec or whatever.
Okay. But again, that's an agnostic thing where you can say, uh, this is just a way to, a way to exchange payment proofs. Then it, it removes this, it removes all the angstiness around where these things go, whether it's Noster or something, you know, and it just kinda, I like the fact that it removes all of that stuff. Um, and we don't have to say, you know, Hey, you know, hey, just trust me. And we don't all have to just like start querying fountains relays for stuff.
This lets, this lets people actually say, okay, you want to see my payment data or you want to send me payment data? I'll show you yours. I'll show you mine. I'll show you my payment data if you show me. It, it lets people say, okay, here, well, here's where you go and here's how you interact with it. And we all just know how to do it. And that gives people the opportunity to keep things private if they want to have it sent somewhere else or done somewhere else. That's kind of the idea.
Yeah. And it's also a single, a single, um, point of failure. No, no, uh, uh, what am I trying to say? It's, it's, it's a single request type situation, whereas there's going to be, uh, there's going to be problems with, with a Noster lookup because that's a web socket. Some clients may not want to keep that socket open. Uh, this is a little more simplistic because it's just an HTTP, you know, query. Um, so it's a little, it's a little easier to handle, you know, than the web socket stuff.
So most, most apps could more easily come on board with something like this than they would be to build out web sockets. But anyway, it's, I like it. I like it a lot. Okay. Excellent. Excellent. It's going to take time to, you know, flesh it all out. We're on the road though. I'm loving how everybody's working together, questioning each other, banging stuff around. And I'll just reiterate one more time. I've been talking about it. It started Thanksgiving, actually.
We did our Thanksgiving, some friends and go around the table. What are you thankful for? And I said, I'm thankful. You said lightning address options. Exactly. Well known. And they were like, what? Dot well known. I'm thankful for dot well knowns. No, I said, I'm incredibly thankful for the people in this community. And, and actually evolved into a larger discussion. I said, you know, open, open source development and open development communities blow up all the time.
And usually within this four, almost five year period. So the fact that we're all still here and in one form or the other, you know, people come, people go, people come back. I mean, that's, that's life. But the way that we are interacting with each other is I'm so, I'm thankful. I'm just thankful for it. It is, it is truly a thing of beauty.
And I want everyone to just, you know, just pause for a second and realize how truly awesome this is because we come from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds, different heritage, different political ideas, but we all are on the, basically on the same page if we want to make it work. And this is the exact same vibe that podcasting had over 20 years ago. It's the same vibe. And yeah, there's, you know, there's all kinds of stuff that happens.
All we had the Adam guys come in ATOM and they were like, well, I'm going to stomp it over, you know, and, and there was some rage quitting, which we haven't really seen here. Well, all the people that need to block each other, they've already blocked each other. So we're good on that. They don't even see each other anymore. And that's okay too, because some people just need to block each other. And that is the big difference.
I'll say the Mastodon server where we, where we hash stuff out has been, I think a perfect way to do this for the reason you just said, when it's a, you know, back in the day, it was a, I think it was a Yahoo group. We had an email, a Yahoo group and, you know, and, and you can't really block people who post stuff who you want to block because I just don't want to hear this person for whatever reason. And I'll see it leak through in other places from other people. It's been a great way to do it.
And it much better. I mean, the GitHub is good. We get down to the technical details and you, and you're talking about implementing stuff and, you know, the discussions there can go in and out and get a little bit heated, but ultimately everybody comes back to, to our safe space, you know, podcasting, social, it feels safe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think it's, um, I think this, I think this community has lived, has lived much longer than most do.
And, uh, that's, yeah, that's just a testament to, I think the, the focus is people just, they're just focused on, on just getting stuff done. I mean, it's not, you know, I just want to, I just want to, everybody has a similar want and that's just to make the client, the podcast app experience better. Yeah. Um, you know, cause we're, we're singularly focused on that one thing. Yeah. Everything else kinds of kind of goes into fog.
So both of my favorite shows in the podcasting space, um, power, power, power, podcasting, weekly review, uh, and, uh, but also, uh, the new media show both talked about the post from Dave Weiner and I wanted to, uh, throw my two cents in about what Dave Weiner posted. And, uh, I shouldn't actually be, uh, I shouldn't, uh, misquote him because boy, you want to get Dave mad. Misquote him. Yeah. Misquote him. Uh, let me see. He had, what was his post now? Uh, he wanted to clarify is what he said.
I think it came, where was it? Somewhere earlier. Um, here we go. If I wasn't clear enough yesterday, we're losing the word podcast very quickly. It's coming to mean video interviews on YouTube. Mostly. Our only hope is to upgrade the open platform, a way that stimulates the imagination of creators. And there's no time to waste. If you make a podcast client, it's time to start collaborating with competitors and people who create RSS based podcasts to take advantage of the open platforms.
Otherwise, having a podcast will mean getting approved by Google, Apple, Spotify, Amazon, et cetera. And they, as we know, are nuzzling up to the new government. Okay. Thanks for making a political Dave who will want to impose severe limits. Really? This isn't a casual request, casual request. It's urgent. So, um, a couple of things about that, because that's being interpreted in many ways. I think the key here, and so first of all, people are like, where are you been?
Like, okay, you know, wherever Dave is, he can do whatever he wants. Who cares? Um, and, and then I'll say right along with that. Oh no, I'll hold that for a second. So where he hasn't been around, he knows about it. You know, Dave and I know him reasonably well from our early days. Um, uh, he gets mad about things. So calling it podcasting 2.0, that's just flip the switch in his brain. He's like, I'm not a part of that. That's not podcasting. So he misunderstood. Doesn't matter.
He may not like me. He probably doesn't like me. Um, there's all kinds of reasons why he's not been involved. And now he's calling for something very specific. And I just want to explain what I think he means and where I think he's right. And it's particularly about the podcast client. So when he says client, that's a podcast app. Now, what Dave's vision has always been, has been to integrate OPML into podcasting. It got integrated early on and it basically became a subscription list.
Okay. There's a lot more you can do with OPML, but as a subscription list, it's kind of usable between most apps for importing and exporting your subscriptions. Not a bad feature. What Dave wants is he wants to see more of what, um, the reason is that people go to get podcasts on YouTube. It's not because of the video. I'm just going to say that it's not because of the video. If it was really because of the video, then Joe Rogan would be putting out video files in his RSS feed.
If it really, really, really mattered. It doesn't. It's because of the platform. The platform, it's where people are. It's where there are some big name podcasts that are indeed interviews with video with, you know, with interesting subjects. It is not the end all be all of podcasts. Otherwise, no agenda would do it. Otherwise, a pivot would do it. Otherwise, NPR would do it. None of these are all successful podcasts that don't have a video component.
People are able to find it just fine without YouTube. There's external forces that want to, um, have people go onto platforms where you have first party data, data where you already have advertising infrastructure. Those forces are very, very strong. That's the podcast industrial complex. And if it infects people's minds like a worm in their brain, and that's why we have this incessant nonstop talk about, should I do video? No, nobody cares. You either do video or you don't do video.
It has nothing to do with other than people want you to be on YouTube because it's easy. What does YouTube do? This is, we are, this is the same cycle we saw with early blogging. Blogging was great. People love blogging. What blogging is to, was then is Nostr today. Why is Nostr not growing? Because it's not exciting. It's not that it's not exciting for the creator. That's where I disagree with Dave. It's not exciting for the user. It's a utility. It's like a fork. Let me go get some podcasts.
Let me stick my fork into my app and I'll eat it. What is exciting about YouTube and TikTok is the algorithms. Algorithms present things. Algorithms can make something go viral. RSS almost by default cannot go viral with the apps that we have. This comes back to something I talked about a while ago with Rachel Maddow, where she's saying, how come these apps don't do anything? They're not exciting. I'm paraphrasing, but she's saying, no surprise, she and Dave Weiner are on the same page.
They're not exciting. Now, how can we make it exciting? I think Sam Sethi is already a long way. He understands this. He's already a long way towards the goal. None of us are going to do algorithms. We'll never have the horsepower to power our apps with algos that look at everybody and make recommendations. In Dave Weiner's world, this was something called share your OPML. You could upload your subscription file and then you could mix and match.
You can do all kinds of fun things if you have a central repository of people's subscriptions. Now you can get some recommendations and interesting data out of there. That is how Dave Weiner thinks. He doesn't think in APIs. He thinks in feeds and just files. So I think that's very old-fashioned, although perfectly valid. What Sam is doing with his activity data, this is the kind of stuff you want. This is the kind of stuff you want to work together on. And a version of that is comments.
That's true. A version of it, the illustrious, the ever -just-out-of-reach cross-app comments. Two weeks. Coming in two weeks. But understanding what... So Fountain, in a way, is also kind of doing this where you follow people on Nostr. I find it confusing, but I understand the idea is if I'm following someone, and this is what TrueFans does, and also Fountain.
I'm following Dave. Suddenly something shows up in my timeline from Dave because he played or he subscribed to or listened to or he did something with another podcast. I like Dave Jones. I like Dave. Whoa. What is Dave listening to? Boom. Now, from there, I want to be able to see who else is connected to this. This is the surfing that kind of is a reverse algorithm that makes the product exciting. The majority of our podcast apps are just utility, and nothing wrong with it that we made radios.
Now, if we want to compete, and I don't really feel we have to, but I feel there's a huge opportunity, and by accident, you and I took our own advice and we created Godcaster, which I'll tell a little bit about here because it's a super secret project, but people are learning about it now. It's a business-to-business product. It is a podcast player with a lot of functions, and we're very specific to a specific market. At this point in time, it is faith -based radio stations.
So we give them a way, our pitch to them is we're giving them a way to transition from towers and broadcast signals to a stream, and all of their nationally syndicated content that they already have now can be found in one place in their player, because the Godcaster becomes their podcast player, which is managed by and made exciting by the manager of that radio station. That's a very, very short view of what it is.
There's a lot more to it, but it is an exciting product because it has an opinion. The opinion is this is the type of content we're showing, and that content is actually being managed by someone who's doing that for you. This could be done in many different ways, but it is an exciting podcast player. It's not an app. It's not, you know, we're really not trying to compete with anybody here. It's very, very specific for this audience.
We might expand, but this is where it starts, and we're seeing great success. People really enjoy this, and wherever you get your podcast is so powerful because now these radio stations are saying, hey, you can get this. We've already set this up for you. The podcast is right here, and I don't have the numbers, and I've tried to get data. It's somewhere between 25 and I think 40 percent. I'm just guessing.
I'd love to hear more from James or from Tom or from anybody who knows, but I think my experience is a lot of people find it very enjoyable to just go to a web page and hit play. Not everybody uses a podcast app, and I think it's because of the reasons I just mentioned. They're interested in a very small subset, and the podcast app is not delivering that experience to them. Right.
So there's work that we can do, and I think definitely by working together and exchanging some of this data, we can make these products more exciting because what RSS feeds and blogging turned into was social media. Twitter was RSS feed-based, which is why it failed because they centralized all these RSS feeds. Their architecture was all off for moving to a very quick updating type system, but that's what made it exciting. And Blue Sky, Blue Cry, as I call it, they also have algorithms.
Now, their pitch is they're going—now, it's a pitch. I haven't seen it in motion yet. Their pitch is, well, we're going to let you choose your algorithm. We'll see how that works out because they've just announced they're probably going to do ads, and it's all going to suck. It's all going to suck. It's all going to start to suck just as bad instead of being able to interchange information between the users themselves.
And I think that is what's missing, and that's being kind of wiped away by saying, you need to do video. No, it's just not true. Now, are we going to lose the word podcast? I don't think so. A podcast, yeah, I get my podcasts on YouTube, fine, but we know people are also getting their podcasts in podcast apps. We know they're getting it on Spotify. We know they're getting it in TikTok, where they think is a podcast, but they're also getting it on Apple.
They're getting it on Fountain, Podverse, Podcast Guru, CurioCast, or wherever. They're getting it wherever you get your podcasts. So let's make it exciting, and let's work together on some of these ideas and get the data flowing between the apps. I think that is critical for the future of apps, not for the future of podcasting.
Everybody who goes to YouTube and turns on a camera and gets some mics and is on YouTube eventually gets distressed, whether they're deplatformed, demonetized, they don't hit the algo, they hit the algo one day, they don't hit the, they don't understand it, they have no control, all kinds of, you know, lose your password, all kinds of things, bad things happen when you're not RSS feed based.
That's an education piece that the hosting companies are very good at and will continue to teach their customers. And if they're really, if it really was about video, then people would be demanding video on podcast, from podcast hosting companies at any cost. But they're not. And you can't, and you can't compete with YouTube or any of these large systems who have incredible infrastructure for delivering this video. You can't. So let's not try to. And let's just stop with that.
Make great experiences with your podcast apps. I think value for value, that interaction is something very unique, boosting. It's very unique. How do we make that more enticing, interesting? Again, I think Podverse made a bold decision. They said, we're going to show these booster grams underneath the episodes. There's a lot of engagement there. And look at what TrueFans, Sam is gamifying all kinds of stuff. He's in, I think he's pointing in the right direction. Right. That's my spiel for today.
Well, I think what you, I think you've come up with a good point in there when you were talking about the, the excitement is not there because things can't really kind of go, things can't go viral. And, and there's, that's, I never really thought about it in that way.
But the, I think what we, if you, if you take it back, if you take what you said back to, to podcast, quote unquote, industry, I don't think there actually is one, but the quote unquote podcast industry, what gets everybody excited? It's money, money, money. Well, across the board, people get excited when people, when, when they get their unwrapped, when they get there. There you go. Perfect example. When they get, uh, uh, the, the top 10 lists come out. Oh yeah.
Now you're talking about the podcast of the year. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. And that's what podcast apps are not good at showing that sort of thing. Uh, they, you know, there may be some, Hey, here's, here's some recommendations, but when you log into something like YouTube, what you see is, and this is YouTube way more than something, or, uh, X is a good example.
Uh, Spotify, I don't think is very good at this at all, but things like YouTube and, and Twitter slash X, they are very good at gra at, at using an algorithm to just throw a bunch of stuff in front of you. And then see what sticks and give you more of that. I mean, they're, they're tracking that on an individual level. Absolutely. And that's not something that podcast apps are traditionally very good at, uh, as is doing that sort of thing.
And it can, it can be done, but what really you need is, um, is, uh, you, so you, there's two, you can go about it kind of two ways. Like the, this, the, the true fans approach, which is sort of activity based. It's like, well, I'm going to have an activity feed where I follow people and see and what they're doing. And I know, like you mentioned, I'm, you know, I like, you know, I like Adam, I see his stuff and then his stuff influences, you know, my feed.
And I begin to get recommendations and stuff based on what I'm seeing from him. But then there's another way, which is sort of the Godcaster thought process, which is I'm going to, I'm the, I'm the program director for this station. And these are all the things that I'm going to say represent me. Or you could say a church would be, would be this way too. The church staff may all have specific podcasts that they listen to.
And then they assemble all of that into a, into a player and they present this program grid to you. They present a, a batch of podcasts that they recommend. They're advocating for this stuff. The same thing could be done for open source software. You may have people that are heavy in the, you know, in the podcasting 2.0.
You may have some, the podcasting 2.0 community may have a set of podcasts that a lot of us listen to that we would say, okay, yeah, this is, these are these, if you're a part of this community, here's what we recommend you listen to. And, and yes, a bit punk FM, that is pod role is a part of that, but where's, where's the support people on, what are we drinking? Pabst. Michelob. LaCroix. LaCroix. The king of, the king of beers. The king of LaCroix, the king of water.
So yes, it is absolutely, but you know, we're all busy. We have other things to do. Where's the support? I mean, there's some big hosts that support pod role. So this is a perfect example. Even stuff your app can do with geolocation or the location tag or the people, there's, there's a lot of stuff that can be done. If you want, if you want to be a utility, that's fine, but let's take it away from it has to be video. Cause that's just, forgive me, Lord bullshit. It really is. It's bullshit.
It is. Yeah. And, and I think it doesn't work if only, this is another thing we have to understand about, about podcasting is that we are all in this together from an app standpoint. And that is something that I respect so much about everybody here is Oscar, you know, and, and Stephen B and Mitch, and everybody is so willing to play ball with each other, because I think we all understand that we're in this together.
We're not independent silos of, you know, so what, in some way Oscar, Oscar can't survive without other apps. Because all, they all play a role. Everybody has their favorite sort of app and everybody, it plays a role to lift everything up and create more and keep them, you know, content flowing. So when you have things like pod roll and, uh, oh, I'm going full mush.
When you have, when you have things like pod roll, publisher feeds, you, if, if all of that is flowing cross platform, I mean, that's like a united front to say, here's what podcasting can be, right? Here's what RSS based podcasting can be. It can be decentralized and still have a sort of global algorithm at its core. And we have nothing to lose by trying this in our apps. We have nothing to lose. Oh, nothing.
Yeah. Yeah. And there's still some kind of old school ethos that came in, you know, of everyone's equal. It's all the same. Everyone has the same weight. And no, no, you have users and fountain users are different from podcast guru users are different from pod verse users. And you'll have different user groups within that. And, um, we need to start. This is why I said we need the Rachel Maddow app. You make the Rachel Maddow app, which can be the same version of your other app.
Just brand it differently. Throw it in. I'm telling you, she will glom towards it because she wants it. She wants to get all of this certain type of content. She wants to see where, where she is in the number of people on that. That's it using. It's the same thing. It's the same thing as likes and follows. It's all the same thing. It's all the stuff that people like. They enjoy it. They enjoy seeing these things. And we have a lot of these, this data at our disposal.
And by the way, I'm fine if you just, again, I'll just say making utility apps are fine. It's there's the opportunity. Dave Weiner is pointing it out in a Dave Weiner kind of way. I mean, he has a Dave Weiner type of solution and he's, um, under informed, perhaps ignorant about what we have done here. Willingly. Yeah. But we have all the, and just, and I'll come back to that.
One thing I was going to, that I didn't say earlier, um, Sam and Dave, Sam and Dave, Sam and James, Sam and Dave is different guys. Hold on. I'm coming. Sam and James said, well, we need a figurehead for podcasting 2.0. It's too bad. Adam doesn't do that. Okay. So I'm going to just make it very clear. Tried that. Got the back room at podcast movement. No mass, no mass. Those guys are in a different plane. They're doing different things. They have different motivators. We got nothing.
And, you know, and, and with respect, I got invited to it's short day, January 17th to, you know, MC the podcasting hall of fame. I'm going to respectfully decline. You know, I, first of all, I don't have time in my life for running around doing all this stuff. I'm doing other things that I find more important for what I'm doing in life. Um, but also it's a circle jerk. It's not, this is not important for podcasting. It really isn't the podcasting hall of fame.
It's, it's like saying it's like a top, like Apple's chart. You know, this, everyone has a different chart. How many award shows do we have? It's a million award shows. It's just another part of money stuff running around in different circles. It's irrelevant. The podcast academy is not important. All this stuff. It's all just stuff that's been Velcroed to the side of podcasting. It's irrelevant. Yes. Velcroed. So it's, it's, you know, what is it? What even does a podcast hall of fame mean?
You know, hall of fame for what it's marketing opportunity. And then you can speak about podcasting two point. What am I going to say? It's podcasting. We have new apps. Good night, Cleveland or Orlando, Miami, wherever it is. Now we have, we have cool new stuff. I talk about it twice a week for a reasonably large audience. I say, go to podcastapps.com. We got all kinds of cool stuff. We got chapters. We got location. We got chapter images.
We have, you get, uh, uh, you get my podcast updated within 90 seconds. You get a bat signal when I'm going live. And it's the podcasters that need to promote it. The podcasters, they need to be passionate about it. And the ones that are and that do it succeed. And the people follow the content. You, you know, you've made this point many times. People follow content. They don't necessarily, they don't follow, um, platforms necessarily. Nope. And so they will follow.
I will follow the content that I like to wherever platform it goes to. That's right. If, you know, I listened to no agenda twice a week for, you know, I don't know how many, 15 years now. And if no agenda went subscription behind a paywall on right on rumble, I would, I've never looked at rumble in my entire life. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Uh, I would go there tomorrow and set up an account and do all that kind of stuff. Just cause I mean, that's the way this stuff works.
The platforms are not as important. I don't think as people make them out to be. Um, now there is an excitement factor with certain types of, of platforms. Um, you know, and, and with the algorithms and the push and the nudging and all this kind of stuff, I will, I totally understand that. I totally understand that. And, and podcast apps can be better about that way. And we will get better about that over time. Yes. But, um, I don't really think the platforms matter that much.
In fact, I know they don't. Um, I mean, this is like, this is like anything else. Everybody thought, you know, everybody thought that Google was going to eat RSS and then they just got bored with it and gave up. Well, they gave up to try a social media network and they failed three times. Right. It's not in their DNA. And RSS is still fine. It's not, it's been completely unaffected by them. Yeah. So I, I just, I just don't think that, and Spotify is going to get tired of podcasting.
I think they already are. Oh, and they're going to get tired of video and people are going to get tired of how they handle it. Cause no, it's, it's all, there are, I mean, what a botched launch. Now you can do video on a, we just like YouTube only better. How much money can I make? Uh, we're not, we're not sure yet. Yeah. We're not sure yet. Stand by. And, you know, and look at the beautiful infrastructure we have with hosting companies.
Look at the diversity, look at the, the scope, look at the different types of help and all the things you can get. And people often come crying to them like, Oh, it didn't work out over there. Okay, do this. And then we can help you with this piece. Um, you know, you get none of that. You get none of that, that, that support and, and level of control over your own content. And people will figure that out. I mean, they always do.
And when the content leaves somewhere, just like you said, it goes somewhere else, they'll find it. And often I'm accused of, well, you know, you're famous. Dude, it's only gotten harder. The more podcasts, the more places to get podcasts has only gotten harder. And the older I get, the less relevant I get. There's people listening to no agenda who never saw a video on MTV ever. Didn't even know they had videos on MTV. And you don't, you don't get an automatic gimme. I don't think that's true.
I mean, like this happens in the sort of app, uh, world to, um, you, you could say that, uh, Marco is a good example of that. He's got sort of a cult following of people who always are interested, interested in his stuff, but they didn't, people have not kept using overcast for 10 years because Marco is Marco. Right. They, they use it because it's a good app. Yeah, it's, it's a good app. If he had made it, if he had made a crap, a crummy app, it would have fizzled. And an app, an app is content.
An app is also content. Totally. It's totally content. Yeah. If you've had a podcast for five years and you still only have 12 listeners, it doesn't mean that you need to stop because you may enjoy, you may be doing it just because you enjoy it. But it does mean that it's probably not content that a lot of people are ever going to be interested in. So it may, you know, if your goal is to do some sort of like make a living that way, it's probably, you need to switch gears.
Yeah. Do something else. Well, then this is always the problem, you know, it's like, uh, fame, uh, which is often associated with money, but it's absolutely not perpendicular or linear. Um, uh, you know, the promise, uh, the, the way that, uh, successful people are put on a pedestal and you can do this too. I've been, I've been guilty of, uh, of, Hey, quit your day job as well. And I've really tried to make that happen for some people. Some succeeded, most didn't.
Um, you know, it always, you know, if anything, uh, this move, this talk of videos is discouraging people from getting started. And as, and as a group, I think we should just cut it out, just cut it out, stop talking about it. Now that's hard to do because money is so tied into a lot of the podcast, uh, press and, and reasons for people to talk about it is it always.
And that's our, that's our culture, you know, always comes down to money, but I do tons of things for no money, like this very podcast. Oh yeah, for sure. But I get a lot of satisfaction out of doing this podcast. It's for me. I love it. I, it, it floats my boat, fills my buckets, tweaks my tweeters. Okay. That's the show title. What's the title? Tweaks my tweeters. Tweaks my tweeters. Tweak my tweeters. Um, I've got a, uh, man, what's our time?
Well, I may have to, yeah, we, we may have to, we got to do a double thank you because we didn't do it on the last board meeting. Oh yeah. Okay. I w I've got, I got two things that we got to talk about this next week. Okay. I'm going to write it down. Okay. Next week. All right. Uh, uh, chat, chat transcripts for live items. Okay. And, uh, uh, pod, uh, pod ping D okay.
Uh, Alex, Alex open has open source, the repository for pod ping D, which sounds like all things D, which, which is also ironic because, um, all things D is run by Kara Swisher, who's a lesbian, who's a lesbian, which is, uh, this, uh, what does that have to do with anything? All things D I'll leave that up to the listener as an exercise. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Sorry. You, you took my brain into a place. I try not to visit more than twice a week. Um, yeah.
Okay. We got to talk about those two things next week. It's been on the list for like three weeks. Yeah. Let's, uh, let's thank, uh, people who have supported the show. Uh, and subsequently, uh, so not the board, the boardroom goes straight into podcast index.org, uh, keeps everything running. I'll do the, uh, the live boost that came in today. One, two, three, four from salty crayon. Howdy boardroom today in the boardroom. Dave goes all in on that MRE lunch to clog the pipes.
Hey, I've been slowly consuming this lunch the entire show. I'm almost done. I haven't had anything to eat today. Uh, we'll have to, uh, we'll have to have this on relisten. Love your pod Sage. He says a triple seven from Sam Sethi. Uh, we have added Ellen address support and backward compatibility to key send. We also have a transfer sats into true fans rolling out Monday. So a true fan's wallet, uh, and bring your sats. So get a true fan's wallet and bring your sats. Oh, excellent. Very good.
Um, a thousand from Eastside, Tony, ITM boardroom testing my Albi hub via podverse, getting ready for booster Graham ball live. See you in Austin, Adam. Yes. Uh, reminder, uh, December 16th. Anton's Austin is going to be a hootenanny. I already saw Boobury has put together and, um, a neon booster Graham ball sign that will be controllable through a specific boost numbers. Sweet. So it's going to be fantastic. Had a great meeting today. I'm very excited about it.
And did Boobury set that up for you? Boob with Eric PP. Eric PP. Yeah. I've had enough. I just have to show up. I mean, this is the easiest gig for me. I'm this is everyone knows just tell Adam where to be and he'll be there and he'll do his thing because that's, that's what I'm good at. And everything else has just been done. Dovey Doss is involved. The music mama, the Costello's everybody's all an open mic. Everyone's in this is a perfect example of how beautiful this group can be.
Um, one 11 from sir. TJ, the raffle. Uh, oh yeah. It's just, we had a small problem in sovereign feeds, deleting existing splits. Turns out to be a viewport issue. If you go full screen with sovereign feeds, you hover over the trash icon. It turns red. You can delete it. I got that on the fly. Thank you very much. Stephen bell. Um, be dancy. Uh, oh, he said pod is weekly review or just, I was playing pod in his weekly review while we were waiting for you. Um, then we have 10,001 Oh one.
Thank you. C dubs from C dubs. She has my concern with pod pay is trusting specific end pubs from hosted providers. Boots CLI has no server and would always be signed by the user. Oscar said this should be fine. I'll try to find some proof of concept for boost CLI. Boost bot will be harder because it requires a web server and domain for the LN URL. I have no idea what that means. Well, I mean, this is the same problem as PKI, the public key infrastructure. I mean, always trusting.
I mean, you have to decide who you're going to trust. I mean, there isn't, there's no, there's no trust. No one in PKI. Right. And that's essentially, this is going to suffer from the same problem, but you know, you have, you eventually build up a web of trust of keys of keys that you trust. Yeah. And I mean, there's no way there's really no way around that. We, we know of yet. Okay. All right. That's what I have. Then I see stuff that you should have in your, uh, in your readout screen.
Whatever that is your heads up display. Uh, I got two, two that I somehow missed two PayPal's that I somehow missed like, uh, August 3rd. I mean, this, I was looking through my email has 1,153 unread messages in it, in my podcast. Now you're talking, we're getting there, man. I'm trying to, uh, it's my all-time high. It's ATH beautiful. 1153 ATH, uh, Randall black is five bucks. He sent us five bucks in August. Thanks, Randall. Sorry for missing that.
Um, let's see, we got an $20 from Zenon entertainment. Yeah. Nick is Zenon. Thank you, Nick. Appreciate it. And he says in his message in here is, can you please remove the following feeds from the index, which I clearly never did since I just saw this. We'll fix it. So that's not good. Jesse Hunter gave us $10. Thank you, Jesse. Appreciate that. Uh, and this is going to be, this is going to be monthlies as well in here. And remember you have to get comics for comics or blogger.
Uh, you have to get his, uh, I got him. I got it. All right, cool. Yeah. These are the monthly PayPal. These are a mix of one awesome monthly PayPal's here. Um, Chad Faro, $20 and 22 cents. Thank you, Chad. F appreciate you. Uh, Cameron rose $25. Thank you, Cameron. Uh, Kevin Bay, $5. Thanks, Kevin. Uh, Mark Graham, $1, uh, pod page. That's Brendan. We just talked about pod page earlier. $25. Thanks guys. Uh, new media. That is a Martin Lindesco $1.
Uh, and here's the December from Randall black to accompany his August. Wow. For the previous one, $5. Okay. And Joseph Morocco, $5. Uh, Oscar Mary, $200. Thank you. Oscar. I'll give you a little baller for that, brother. Thank you so much. And upbeat, the upbeats music podcasts in us. $11 and 11 cents with a note. Salty crayon. Yes. Thank you.
Salty says just a short row of cut bucks before we kick off the Christmas giving season of sets, the pongs, juicing the Jason's and slashing the pseudo's in the pipe. I like it. Good one. Yeah. I like this. Um, we got some boosts here. Let me scroll down. All right. We got, uh, Steve Webb. Oh, Hey, Steve. Uh, right there. Yeah. Striper boost. Great sound. Heard it on podcasting 2.0. Uh, we got 20,000 sats from, uh, Chris lass from Chris at Jupiter.
He says, happy to help test and transition things at Jupiter broadcasting as apt transition off the Albie API. After listening today, my biggest concern would be losing the info in the TLV record and how to handle the transition in our value tags. Yes, Chris, I think we've, we're, we're working on that. Yep. Stay tuned. Yeah. Jump in the, uh, jump in the discussion over there, Chris at, uh, discussion, six 76 on the repo. That's right.
In the show notes, uh, 1701 be Dentsy true fans zap from episode two Oh one fugue state. Thank you. Be Dentsy. Uh, we've got Scott and that is spelled S dot C dot O dot T dot T. 3420 sats through podcast. I'm also on the spectrum and certain sounds can be extremely amplified for me. You know, okay. So he was, he was boosting this live during the last show because when I did the update to roadcaster, they completely screwed up something. I haven't quite figured it out yet.
Um, and so my noise gate was tripping and it was all kinds of stuff going on. He said he could hear my vape, although I'm very careful to mute when I vape. Um, and, uh, I, I'm very disappointed in road for doing that. So they, they upgraded, they upgraded my experience and they ruined my processing settings. So I've been dialing in every single podcast all over again. Um, are you taking screenshots? It's has, it's impossible to do. Um, I just do it by ear and, and I save it. I save frequently.
Um, but actually it's given me an opportunity to reevaluate the processing. So, uh, it's kind of a good thing, but I still think that, uh, the technology company dealing in audio, if you do an update, it should not change processing. Shame on you. Um, I just checked, I haven't done anything on mine. I just checked and it says there's a firmware update available. Should I do it right now? Do you really want pain before the weekend? No, out of London, 1948 sets through podverse.
He says it's been a while since I could boost live. Seems like only after I publicly criticized things, I was able to read off my podcast apps without me. I also suffered a 14 million sat loss in a deliberate attack on my API, exploiting a technical failure in my coding back here again, though, boosting live. All right. 14 million sats is not an insignificant number. No, no, that's a lot of money. Uh, sorry to hear that, brother. Sorry. Yeah, man, that, that blows dude.
You tripped with the scissors. Uh, right in the neck, right in the jugular. Karen from the memorials podcast, a satchel of Richards one, one, one, one through fountain. He says, because I know you guys like being careful with your words. Bitcoin is disinflationary, not deflationary. Thank you. Good point. IE more comes out, but at a slower rate. Ethereum with its burn mechanism makes it at times deflationary. IE there is less of the total supply. Yes, you're correct.
Disinflationary, not deflationary. He makes a point. I believe he's okay. So deflationary would be. He actually, the money supply actually goes down. Yes. Although there has to be some sort of steady rate of loss, right? Yeah. There has been loss over time. Probably less now than there used to be. Oh, there's millions of Satoshi's are gone. They're just, they're just millions of bitcoins. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. Interesting. All right. Thanks Karen. Cole McCormick. One, one, one, one.
Satchel Richards through fountain. He says, I'm ride or die with fountain. Thanks for introducing me to Nostra, Oscar. I see the vision. No, we've got a believer. All right. Laser eyes. Laser eyes, laser eyes. Yeah. Chad F 77, 77 through Curio Castor. He says, thanks for all you do, Oscar. Uh, salty crayon. Satchel Richard through Curio Castor. He says, ping in the palms, using the Jason's go podcasting. Uh, Jew, Jew hole. Oh, I don't know how to say.
J U H O E E, uh, J U H O E E M E L I. Do you hold them? Do you hold Emily? Okay. Okay. I don't know. Uh, Satchel Richards, uh, through fountain and just a smiley face. Thank you. That's a 22, 22 total boost. We got a fraction of that. Gene Everett, 33, 33 through fountain. He says boost. Yeah. Okay. We can do one of those. I don't know. Where is that? Oh, there we go. Uh, let's see. Oh, is this, uh, did you read this one? It says, uh, about your vaping. Yes. That was the same, same thing.
Yeah. Okay. Uh, and let's see. I have a deep dive into Albie hub. I'm concerned about failures. Like you were just talking about. Let's see. That's D D Schwartz. Uh, it says, have you done a deep dive into Albie hub? I'm concerned about failures. Like you were just talking about. And as a listener, I don't want to pay upwards of $20 a month for the cloud version of Albie hub. So the question is, can I use podcast guru without an Albie wallet? And I think the answer to that is no, not right now.
Not now. No. Now, now what, what Jason and Alex over there have cooked up for that? I don't, I don't know. I mean, I'm assuming they're going to try to allow you to connect to strike, but that's just an assumption on my part. I can't, I don't know that for a fact. Um, yeah. So let's stay tuned is all I can say. Uh, ginonymous 69 69 and no note. Thank you. Ginonymous. Appreciate that. And we got the delimiter. Yeah, go ahead. I'll say something afterwards. 16,000 sats through fountain.
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Thank you. CSB. I'm going to strike what I was going to say. Thank you. I'm going to say jet. This feels chat. GPT ish. You think? Yes. Chat. CSB chat. Chat. CSB. That's it. Chat. CSB.com. Everybody. Uh, that's it. That's our, that's our group. Well, thank you all for supporting us. Value for value.
This is, uh, and actually this will be in the documentary to how this entire project, how the podcast index.org, all the machines, all the, all the aggregators, everything that's running, it all runs because of you. We have, uh, liquidity available on the note. I keep seeing people saying, I can't get a channel. Just, just tag me or email me. Adam mccurry.com. I'll be happy to open a channel to you. That is part of the service that we provide. And we appreciate it.
Go to podcast index.org down at the bottom. If you want to send us some fiat fund coupons, there's a big red donate button. You can send us a PayPal. And of course we always appreciate your boost. All right. Um, you're only 15 minutes late and I, I got a boogie. In fact, the show will not be up as quickly as usual. Cause I'm running right out of the studio. I got to go take my dog to the vet. Got to get back before the parade closes off the streets in Fredericksburg.
And you got to get back in this time to drive the float. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. The big come and take it float. That's the one. Yeah. All right, brother. Have a great weekend, Dave. All right, man. You too, bro. All right. Everybody else. Boardroom participants of podcasting 2.0. Have a great weekend. Thank you for being here. We'll be back next Friday for another edition of podcasting 2.0. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 visit podcastindex.org for more information. Do it, do it. Just do it.