Episode 201: Fugue State

Podcasting 2.0 for November 22nd, 2024, episode 201, fugue state. Well, hello, everybody, as we end the month of November. Almost getting there. It's time for another board meeting of Podcasting 2.0, everything that's really happening in podcasting, everything that has been, everything that is, and everything that will always be. It's all right here. We discuss everything happening at podcastindex.social, the secret WhatsApp groups, and yes, maybe even some namespace talk today.

We are the only boardroom that will never send you a Zoom invite. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who can alias your table if you subscribe to our Podcast Plus bundle. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. Does anybody know the etymology of spill the beans? Spill the, uh, uh, it probably- When somebody tells you to spill the beans, like what, why is that a thing? I think it was spill the beans.

Now it's spill some tea is what the kids are saying these days. Yeah, that's what I was hearing on Power. Oh, you were hearing that on Power? I was listening to Power. I listened to Power. Yeah, that's where James said he didn't understand the phrase spill the tea. And I was like, well, isn't it supposed to be spill the beans? And then I was like, well, where did that come from? Well, let's see. It's probably the beans. Doesn't it sound like a Dutch weird thing? Let's see.

Um, there's 1574 quote for spill it, meaning to divulge, let out the spilling of beans endures with outside the U.S., blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Popular folk for spin. Oh, here it is. A popular folk etymology for spill the beans claims that in ancient Greece, applicants for membership in secret societies were voted upon by having the existing members drop beans into an opaque pottery jar.

It just sounds so Dutch, like, like the literal translation of some Dutch thing would be like, let out the beans or something like that. Let out the beans. No, I don't think that I can't even think of a, of a, uh, of an equivalent in Dutch. Honestly, spill the tea. Let's see. Where does this come from? Yeah. Release the beans. Title. There we go. Show title release. We had chili last night. Melissa made a great chili. And I can tell you that you've been releasing the beans. Yes. Ever since.

Let's see. Let me see what it doesn't have. I don't have an etymology from really the tea. That's just the etymology of spill. The tea is tick tock. There you go. It's done. Or real housewives of Beverly Hills. Wow. So I too was listening to, uh, to James and Sam on the, uh, on the power, power hour. I just want it to be called power news hour. Yeah. You know? Yeah, exactly. And, uh, this is the episode where, where James dropped a lot of boost bombs, boost bombs.

Oh, you didn't hear the whole show. Um, I'm getting close to the end. I skipped one of the interviews. He was dropping F bombs, but he replaced his, his expletives with a boost. He was dropping boost bombs. Yeah. And I did hear that. I like that by the way. The boost bombs. Yeah. It's much better than a thing like that. And it could get people to donate. Although, you know, I sent a hundred thousand sats on the last, for the last episode, just like, Hey, I love the show.

And, uh, to power, to power. Yeah. And, uh, so I'm listening to the booster gram corner and I don't hear anything. I go, look, my, uh, podcast guru, which is connected to Albie, which is connected to my Albie hub has been failing for about two weeks. Uh, and I don't, I mean, I can't get any info from the app obviously, but I'm like, holy mackerel. And I had also boosted, did a mega, mega massive boost to, um, this week in Bitcoin, same thing.

I was like, this was my week, you know, like, Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to bless everybody. This is my week. This is my week. No, no, no. I'm, this is my week where I'm, I'm, I'm blessing people with boosts and, uh, and they all failed. And then, uh, and then it started working again as I was streaming sats. I'm like, this is, you know, the problem seemed to occur when I, uh, when I installed Albie hub and hooked up my wallet. So I don't know. I don't know what that is.

It could be a number of things. What was that little noise? I just heard that was, I think that came from me. No, I think it came from me. It's interesting. I've been hearing this off and on. I wonder, you know, I thought it came from IRC. Oh, you're right. No, that's me. You are so right. Mutes tab. There we go. That's my fault. Okay. Thanks. That wasn't IRC blipple. A blipple. Anyway, I just wanted to say, cause James is mad.

You know, James is mad about people about YouTube and the industry's going down the YouTubes. I like mad James. Mad James is one of my favorite James. It is. I'm, I'm, I'm all in on that. Mad boost, boost dropping. James is my favorite. Yeah. More of that, please. Now, of course, this comes after the entire industry sucked off YouTube for, for years. Oh yeah. It's great. We'll connect you. Yeah. We'll be able to upload. Oh, it's fantastic. Oh, YouTube does podcasts now.

Oh, YouTube music is great. Oh, it's fantastic. So I think there was a lot of active participation. It's the biggest platform for listening to podcasts based on every, every, based on every, you know, that's what every study claims to report. Yeah. And we did this work, what about a year ago we went through and showed that that can't be the case because only like 25% of the top shows are even on YouTube.

And I went and looked at the view count for all the episodes and they were like in the thousands. Yeah. That's a complete fabrication. Well, lies, lies and damn statistics. But I want to say two things. I'd like to say this about that. This is a cycle. We've been through this cycle before when podcasting popped, podcasting popped, a lot of excitement. Everything was groovy, was rocking and rolling. And then YouTube came along and I can go through the whole cycle.

We had venture capital investors and right away they're like, you got to do video. You got to do video. And the advertisers are like, you got to do video. You got to do video. And we switched everything to video, switched the name of the company from Podshow to Mevio, started doing video, losing our shirt on the cost, of course, because we had to make it as cheap as possible. And it took about seven or eight years and then boom, audio was back. And why was it back? Because of, uh, cereal.

So people go not towards. So when I hear the experts in pundits, expert in pundits say, well, is, is whatever people call a podcast and is wherever the audience is. It's not wherever the audience is. It's wherever the content is. So if we have awesome content that people want and it's only on podcast apps, they will go there. That is the bottom line. It is not that the audience is by definition lazy. And that's not, that's not a put down. It's just normal.

Um, I've been looking at studies and I'd love for a power, uh, and angry James to, uh, that's not what his name is. Angry James. I'd love for angry, jangry, jangry. He's jangry. Another possible show title. Um, I'd love to know about these stats because I still think there's a very high amount of listeners who will just go to a website or, you know, a show site and click on a play button and SWA and it's good to go.

Um, I don't think all, all podcasts that are with RSS feeds are necessarily listened to in a podcast app. I'm just, I have enough evidence in my own environment to know. And a lot of people, you know, they just don't manage their experience that way. And just to have one place where you get your instructional videos, where you get your kid videos, we get everything else. Oh, there's podcasts. And Oh, that's, this is where I get Joe Rogan.

Um, I think it's very understandable, but that doesn't mean that that's because, uh, people want video it's because it's there, whether they're listening or watching. And I still put huge question marks behind the, the, they're all watching on YouTube. I think there's a lot of listening going on. Um, well, I can tell you from just from my personal habits, uh, I think you're a hundred percent correct.

I think that the, wherever you have great content, people will jump over whatever hurdles needed to get always, always. And that is true with me personally, because there, you know, uh, one of my, one of my must listens every week is America this week with Tybee and Walter Kern. And I never miss an episode with that. That's on anybody's podcast list. There's probably what, maybe two or three podcasts that you really cared deeply about and would be sad if they went away.

There's, you know, most of them, like you, you may enjoy a lot of podcasts, but there's probably only maybe two or three that you, that you really would hurt to lose them. Um, and that's one of mine, that's one of this on my, on my short list there. And so I will, I currently, they, it's weird. So they publish one episode a week on Fridays, uh, through sub stack. And so I subscribe to it. I pay them, you know, five bucks a month or whatever the subscription cost is. I subscribe to it.

I've got a private feed for that. And, and I listened to that through my podcast out to cast a medic. Um, but then they also do a Monday night live stream. That's only on Monday night live. Yeah. And they, that Monday night live stream is never published in the podcast feed. So it's only on YouTube and I don't subscribe to a YouTube premium. So I can't listen to it in the background on a closed device.

I have to keep the screen open if you know, and all the hassle that that entails, like you have to, so what I have to do is on, you know, on Monday, on a Tuesday mornings I go and I, I hit, I start the episode playing on YouTube and then I stick it in my pocket with the screen facing outward so that I don't accidentally hit the screen and touch an ad and then navigate away all this nonsense.

And every time, every few minutes, an ad plays and I have to go and skip it, man, it's the biggest pain in the butt, but I do it every single Tuesday because I love the content I'm willing to do. I'm willing to make my life, you know, complicated because of this content that, that you're right on with that. So examples from my own life, you know, pivot my hate, listen on the media. My other hate, listen, they're not on YouTube.

They are very successful, highly successful in numbers and possibly money. I don't know. I don't care, but they're very successful. And, you know, people may access them through a web browser or, you know, just clicking on something or maybe in a podcast app, but they're not on YouTube. They don't have videos. So, you know, why are they breaking the mold?

Well, it's because of the content, whether you like it or hate it, if you're going to, if you want it, you're going to go get it where you can get it, which is in this case, wherever you get your podcast, which is also on the website. So this is a cycle. And when we have another break, Oh, by the way, proof is in the pudding. People actually paid money to follow Joe Rogan to Spotify. You couldn't get it anywhere else. They paid money to go and follow him on Spotify in the millions.

Now Spotify had a flawed strategy in that regard, but that's because that content is what people want. So now if podcasters or anyone who's producing content, I abhor the creator nomiker moniker. If they want to upload to YouTube and build their audience there, and I know I'm sounding like Todd, I'm sorry. And, you know, and with all the possible downside, like before I came to our church here in Fredericksburg, the YouTube was their place. YouTube was where they put, I'm sorry, Facebook.

Facebook was where they put everything. Oh, oh, that's sad. That gives me shivers. Yeah. And they built up a following and they were actively maintaining it. And, you know, once I got in there, I'm like, you know, let's see what y 'all are doing. And, uh, and they get so many strikes and they, oh yeah, they've had to have, you know, it was initially, well, you're playing music that isn't licensed. Well, believe me, these churches have all, they pay up the wazoo for licenses to do exactly this.

And in addition, Facebook also pays licenses. So it is well covered, but you got to go back. You got to go get your channel reinstated. Um, then it's like a short, oh, uh, you know, that was politically motivated content. You know, something our pastor said about voting, you know, that strike and you're down. So if you want to live like that, okay. Um, yeah. If you want to, if you want to know how that works, go talk to Brian of London and see his Facebook experience, which is led to a lawsuit.

Yes. And his Twitter experience, et cetera, et cetera. Then, and, and, you know, you can say, well, you shouldn't have done that, but no, I mean, this is only going to get worse. Then social networks are falling apart because of it. So it's cute. People are building up audience and followers and profile. They've been over 42,000, um, harm, harm, harm reports put in on blue sky. Because they're losing their mind over there. That place is ridiculous.

And, you know, and, and X is no, but it all sucks. It all sucks. And then what did they do? They took the basic premise of a newsfeed of RSS and they replicated that with algorithms. And if you don't have the algorithms, by the way, you won't be successful. I hate, I hate, I don't want to bash, but see Nostra Nostra. Oh yeah. Nostra is just mastodon and mastodon. It's not an exciting experience because there's no algorithm and there's, and the engagement is, it just doesn't happen.

So more and more, I see people going back to publishing on the web, using stuff like ghost and other and other publishing tools. Um, I think we're going to see the same issues with sub stack, by the way, whenever you are posting something and, and you use the company name as, um, as the name for what you're doing by saying, yeah, I wrote a sub stack. You're in deep trouble. You're already giving up yourself to that company. Yeah. Yeah. Like a medium article. Yeah. Same thing.

And look how that turned out. It didn't turn out great. It didn't turn out great. So a couple of things about this. So, so the cycle I've seen the cycle I've lived in the cycle, the podcasting grew. Well, podcasting went from page one to page two to page 37 below the fold to gone in a matter of months. And it was all YouTube and YouTube and YouTube and the revolution and broadcast yourself. And, uh, and the venture capital guys like, Oh, you've got to be like YouTube.

You've got to be like YouTube. Cause they only follow, you know, nonsense. And, uh, we didn't stick to our guns. And I think that was a mistake ultimately. And in the meantime, and the result is you double your, you double your overhead and do not, and do not increase your, your subscribers or your pay at all. Correct. Correct. And you have, you can be, uh, demoted, de-boosted, demonetized, all kinds of things can happen. That's just a fact of life and everybody knows it.

So a number of people will think that this is the way to go. And we just have to sit and wait patiently. There will be some content, something that's amazing and people will flock to it and it will be audio only. And we'll have another resurgence and the VC will come in there and we'll have all kinds of things happening. It is a cycle. I've seen it. I've lived it. I got the t-shirt. I have this, the bumper sticker, the VHS version. I have everything, everything.

It also feels like we're at the end of a, it feels like we're at the end of a podcast sort of, um, um, epic, maybe, and I'm not sure what freight, what, what term to use for this season, a season where we're at the end of a podcast season where, um, the popularity of the, of the current formats, not just interview, but there's, there's a few different formats like watch, you know, episode rewatch, a television rewatch podcast. Like there's all these formats.

They're just been sort of boilerplate formats. And it feels like a lot of those, like Ashley Carmen had an article yesterday about it in our newsletter about the, how these interview shows are starting to just kind of wane because people are just tired of the, the listeners are tired of listening to them. And the, and the podcasters are tired of doing them because it just feels like this sort of like, you know, churn this wheel that you keep spinning.

Yes. And then we have the culture war economy podcasts and they all go on each other shows. Yeah, exactly. It feels like we're at the end of that, that, that, that, uh, season where we're I'm looking, I look forward to, um, I look forward to what new formats may emerge when everybody gets tired of this. I think we accidentally took our own advice and created something that may be the next version of this, um, combining mission-specific, uh, applications and hyper-local podcasts.

And I think I'd just like to talk a little bit about that, which is our super secret project. SSP. SSP. And, and in a nutshell, it is a mission-specific podcast player that is managed by someone who has a live stream and the live stream is meant to drive people to the podcast player. So they can, so you can have one type of content or maybe all of this content, whatever you want on the, it's very much like the no agenda stream, um, format in a way that we're the no agenda stream.

If you've never listened to it, no agenda dot stream. It's 24 hours a day of podcasts that, uh, I'd say about, I don't know, Sir Ben Rose might know probably about 40%. Um, stream it live, maybe less, but about, I think about 40% and people have a chat room, uh, which it changes name. So it's the troll room for no agenda. It's, uh, it's the board room for podcasting 2.0, though we have a sub channel, a sub chamber.

Um, and, and the referral is, so you listen to that in your player, wherever you get your podcasts and you refer back to that and there are the podcasts that are either on it. So if you missed it, you can pick it up and it's, and it's there, you know, it's, it's, it's not, it's not just an open player that has everything is very specific and it's kind of, it's programmed just like no agenda stream is programs or Ben Rose programs that stream. And there's a, it's a lineup.

Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a clock. Um, and so we've accidentally kind of taken, so in that case, the hyper local part is a relatively small, no agenda nation audience, which, you know, uh, with the next program becomes Nick the rat sewer, or the next program becomes, uh, Darren O'Neill's, uh, rock and roll pre-show or the grumpy old Ben's or the grand old dames, you know, with buds and bowls with buds. And it becomes hype.

These are very hyper local because these are hyper local podcasts of, um, communities of interest. Right. And what we're doing is literally geographic locations, hyper local. And, um, uh, with, and it's mission specific. Does that, do you think that's a pretty good explanation of what we're doing? Yeah, I think so. It's, it's like, um, it's yeah. The ability to create, you know, to create a player that has a, you can turn, well, try to figure out the right way. I think you described it.

Well, I'm trying to figure out how to sum it up, but you could say it in a, in a single phrase, maybe, you know, you can turn any, you can turn anything into a radio station. Yes. Um, yourself, your, your, your, your sort of group that you hang out with your church, your neighborhood, like you can turn anything into a radio station by just adding, you know, adding these shows to your lineup and, and, and having a live stream to go, to go with it. Yep. Everybody can be a radio.

Well, everybody's got pod. Everybody's got transmitters. Excuse me. Everybody's got receivers in your, in your pocket, which are podcast apps and everybody's got transmitters, uh, available to them with podcasting. So then it's a programmable transmitter. It's the station. This is the station. Yes, the station. Yeah, exactly. We'll be talking more about that as time progresses.

Yeah. Um, but I wanted to talk for a second about the, a general demure, very thoughtful, very demure attitude amongst some developers and podcasters, uh, who feel that, uh, they they're feeling, uh, somewhat dismayed. Some are feeling disillusioned and I'm, you know, I, I troll on the telegram group, so I can get a part of this is the Albie apocalypse, uh, which, you know, is, is not, is not important as to what happened there or what's happening.

Uh, it's clearly not working out for, uh, for podcasting. Although I think they have generally have the good intentions for podcasters, but for podcast app users is really not a solution. And, uh, just as we were about, just as you actually amongst your three existing job, we're about to code up the, a new example of how we could move forward. Boom. Oscar pops in now. I know he's going to be, he was going to be on the show today.

He's going to be on the show next week, but I really, I would like to give everybody a little boost just by explaining what he did. And, and I, can we, can we share this with people? Can people take a look at this? I mean, it's public. He, I, I presume he meant it to be public. I told him that I would, um, paste the link into the boardroom instead of like saying it on the show. That way we get, yeah, that's a great idea. Should I do it right now or you got it? I'm doing it. I got it. Let's see.

So what this is for the listeners out there, this is a, a mock-up, uh, but it is where it works of boosting a podcast by connecting a rando strike wallet. Now we've been just discussing strike as a possible option for simplicity's sake for, um, people who just want to get into it and just want to do some, some boosting and want to get into value for value without too many, uh, hiccups and difficulties and misinterpretations.

And I think it's undeniable that the strike wallet, the strike app is very consumer friendly. The, I, did you have, did you go through a KYC with them? I didn't, I didn't get a KYC. I was just able to connect it and it was fine to me. Oh, you mean when I connected to the pay, to the test app? When, no, just when you connected to your card or your bank or whatever. Oh, back in the day when I set it up so long ago, I don't even remember me, me and you were, I think we were in the beta of strike.

I mean, we were very early. Yeah. So it's for all intents and purposes, it works just like Venmo or cash app. And I actually hope that this same system will be able to set up with a cash app and possibly, um, I think PayPal is talking about doing something. And so they do not do lightning. I mean, they did not do key send. The key send seems to have just been deprecated into the depths of a Bitcoin hell, uh, which is, which is understandable. Bolt 12 is on the way and bolt 11.

And, um, now we made that choice early on for a number of reasons. Uh, those may be anachronistic at this point. Possibly. So, um, but when you, when you get a strike wallet, it's quite simple to set up. You can look at your, at your funds in, um, in a Fiat or in, uh, Satoshi's, you can, uh, buy and sell Bitcoin there. It's right. It's all in one place. So there's no third party app. You have to go to, you can hook it up directly to your bank account the way you do with, uh, with Venmo.

And, uh, it is a, that is a rather large corporation that I think people feel comfortable with and trust, uh, with their, um, with their information, their credentials and their money. Right. And what, uh, what, uh, Oscar has done here is he's created an example where you can connect your strike wallet to this, uh, boost page, which would be an app. And in the background, it's just doing a very is actually the strike wall. It does it very nicely.

You enter in your email address that you use for your strike account. It emails you a code, you put the code right into the website and you're done. You're connected. You're done. You're OAuth right away. And he put in this example, the, uh, podcast LN address spec, uh, and I've tested it and it works flawlessly. Yeah. Works great. Do I need, do we need to add some more here? Uh, well, so let me, let me step back for a minute.

If you, if you, if you will, uh, if you will indulge me, can I add one more thing before, before I step back and, and give you the floor and the microphone, the headset, it's a headset. You can use the strike wallet solution, both directions as a podcaster. You can also use that with your, uh, strike LN address, LN URL address, LN, what is it? LN address.

So you can also, yes, you can also receive and send from the same wallet, which will make it very, very, uh, comfortable for artists and new podcasters. Of course, all of this, uh, leaves the, uh, the sovereign people completely free to do it however they want to. There's, there's no downside to you hosting your infrastructure and your wallet yourself. I'm stepping back. Here's the, here's the headset. Oh, thank you. Thank you. One, one second. What are we drinking?

Pabst. So it's a LaCroix pure. I'm back to the, I'm back to the non-flavored. I'm, I'm off the wagon for the moment. Oh, all right. Um, so this, this page is taking advantage. Well, let me, let me, let me back, let me back up for a second. I, we gotta, we gotta like move up a couple of notches here. The, uh, first of all, cotton gin in the boardroom is saying that breeze of course still works with all this stuff. That is correct. Yes. Breeze is unaffected by any of this.

Um, so that is always, you know, breeze is always a knob. It's a standalone node on your phone. It can, it's impervious to, to, you know, things to ripples. If I really want to make sure that a big boost goes through, I usually do it from breeze. Yes, that's, that's, it's, you have a node in your pocket. You also have a very hot leg, but you have a, there's that, there's that.

Um, so, but stepping back for a second, the, like this, the Albie apocalypse has been, uh, sort of depressed, has been pretty depressing to me. Uh, and I've, you know, I've probably mentioned that before that it feels like I always hate it when we, when we, it feels like we've made a lot of progress and then you have to, you realize you have to kind of start over from scratch almost.

And it's, it's, it's, uh, like when I, whenever I think, you know, I get wrapped up in this other project we're doing and, and, and namespace stuff and, and all these kinds of things. And then, and then I think about the, the value tag and what's going on with Albie. And I just get into sort of like a fugue state, which is kind of like, uh, fuke spell. Oh, uh, I don't know how you spell F-U-G-U-E, I think. And can you use it in a sentence?

Yes. When Dave thinks of the Albie apocalypse, he enters a fugue state. Fugue. Fugue. Hmm. Definition. It's in the DSM-5. Uh, DSM-5. Um, here we go. One that drives away. Ooh. Ooh. Fugue. Do we pronounce it fugue or fuge? Uh, pretty sure it's fugue. Okay. It's a, it's a, a fugue state also known as a dissociative fugue or psychogenic fugue is a rare psychiatric condition where a person experiences amnesia and ends up in an unexpected place. Goodness gracious. Do you need a wellness check?

People in a fugue state may not remember who they are, their past experiences, or how they got to their current location. It's also known as taking an Ambien. Oh no. Um, it's F-U-G-U-E. Yes. Yeah. Fugue state. Okay. Another good show title. The, so I just kind of feel like, you know, like I don't, I don't even want to think about it because it's annoying. The whole thing's annoying, but so, but then, but then this is really for the best.

Honestly, if we're, if we're just looking at it tough, if we're giving ourselves tough love, this is, this is a good thing because when you have a, what we make is protocols. First of all, we don't create products. That's not what podcasting 2.0 or the N or, or the namespace. That's not what that is. We write specs. We don't, I, I don't say that we write standards. I don't really like that terminology.

We write specs, we write protocols, we write the things that publish the things that help people do the things we, we value, uh, features and, and new functionality. And in that sense, if the, if one of the things that we write ends up completely dependent upon the good graces of, of a single company or person or entity, that's, that's just not a long-term sustainable thing. And that's what happens. That's what happened with, with Albie specifically on the listener side.

And that's all we're talking about here. Albie, Albie on the receiver side, on the creator side, that's never been a problem and will not be a problem in the future. And, and their Albie hub is greatly appreciated open source. There's no doubt about it.

Yes. The problem that was run into is the Albie API replaced LN pay on the, on the listener side, because you, in order to make this all work, you have to have a listener wallet, but every podcast app listener has to have a wallet tied to their podcast app in some way. And that became, because it was so easy and free and simple, it became just a standard that all the, any app that wanted to have a listener wallet, so they could pay podcasters other than breeze and fountain.

Those are those standalone. They're their own thing, but everybody else started using Albie. And that was always shaky ground to be on because Albie is a company. And I think I said this time and time and time again, time and time and time again. Yes. Albie is a company and they have to respond to the way companies do when the bottom line, you know, comes into play. You got to pivot when legal issues come into play, you got to change. And that's what this was.

It was mainly regulatory legal issues, money transmitter issues, et cetera. Yeah. Yeah. And so if so in so long term and it also set up a little bit of a, of a sort of an unhealthy dissociation between, between the listeners, true source of funds and the way that they send. So you, we always had to go through this strange connection where you have, where, okay, I've got cast a matic and this is apropos because Frank Franco's going through this right now.

He's trying to figure out what he's going to do to replace Albie. And so I have cast a matic and it has an Albie wallet attached to it. Well, I don't, I want to get some sats in there so I can, so I can stream sets and pay podcasters. And in order to do that, I have to go over to some other third thing like cash app or strike and then send those sats to cast a medic so that I can then send them to the, to the podcast. That was always a big hurdle.

Yeah. Cause you have to, you have this weird hop in the middle of this sort of unnatural. It would always be, it would always be better if your original app that hold your main wallet could be connected just straight to your podcast app. It would be like connecting your, if this was all done in Fiat, it would be like having been able to just say, okay, connect my podcast app to my PayPal account and I'm just going to do an OAuth and I'm just going to send you some money.

And so that's what this thing is that, that Oscar has created. He's created an example page where you, where you hook your strike account through OAuth directly to a podcast app in this, in this sense, in, in this circumstance, the podcast app is just a webpage and there's an, it's not playing anything. It's just an example, but you can think of the, the, the page itself as if it were a podcast app.

And he's taking advantage of the new thing, the new changes we put into the value recipient tag a couple of months ago with the LN address type. So now he's not, this is not using key send. This is using LN address. And so if the type of the value recipient is LN address, then you can put the address in there. In this case, any lightning address, so something like fountain at strike.me is one of them and boost bot at fountain.fm is another one.

You can put in an address and then it could be David, getalby.com. You know, that's any outlining address. Then when you go to pay it, when you put in your amount, put in your message, your name, all that kind of stuff, and then you pay the, the amount. It, what it's going to, what it's going to do is create two, it's going to communicate with your strike wallet and create, it is going to, it's going to calculate the splits.

So if I put in, you know, a hundred sats and this, this, these two splits, 90 for boost bot, 10 for fountain. It's going to peel off 90 sats for boost bot, 10 sats for, for fountain, create two transactions, two LN, two LN URL pay transactions through bolt with just standard bolt 11 invoices and pay each of those.

So on your strike history, once that payment is completed on your strike history, you will see in there two payments, one for 90 sats to boost bot and one for 10 sats to strike them to fountain. So this, this is a way to go forward where we don't have to rely on key sand support. And we don't have to rely on a, on the, the sort of goodwill or good intentions of one single company. The, this, this to me is the way is the way forward, I think.

And there's, it's not without, it's not without its own problems. Well, can I, can I ask two questions about as the retooling for this? Sure. So, um, the first question is, uh, an app, um, let's say, so let's say I use a podcast guru and podcast guru will retool to connect my strike wallet. If I come across a value block that has a key send, I can't key sent.

So can you now, does the spec allow for multiple types of payments so that I could say, um, you can key send me at this note address, or if you don't have that capability app user, then you can, uh, Ellen address me. Yes. Okay. Second, if I want to have Ellen address on my note at home, is that something that's easy to do or is that complicated? Um, I'm presuming it will work with Albi hub actually.

If you connect through the Albi service, but to do it by myself at home, a little more complicated. No. If you were, if you just had an L and D, if you just had an L and D node straight up and sort of nothing in front of it, I think you would need to use something like Ellen bids to get a, to get a, okay. Yeah. Ellen URL layer. Okay. Nathan G no, this does not preclude streaming sets. Um, but I think most apps are already batch processing, right? And so it won't be per minute.

You can still, I, the app can probably still report it to the sender as what you sent per minute, but it'll be batched and sent, um, at every five minute intervals or something like that. But it doesn't preclude that at all. And you could try to do a per minute send with strikes Wallace too. I don't know if they have a rate limit on their API or anything. It makes more sense to do batch, but no, yeah, you're right. Nothing precludes this from per minute.

And eventually, uh, bolt 12 may, may pop up and, and be groovy and usable. I don't know. We'll see. The only benefit that we get from bolt 12 and this is, this has to be clarified. The only benefit that we get from bolt 12 over, over the current spec is that bolt 12 doesn't need a web server on the, on the L and D node, right? It gets rid of the HTTP layer and just does, it does essentially the same as key send as Ellen, you know, it does the same as Ellen URL, right?

Right. But I'm saying you don't, you don't need to have an address. You just have a, some kind of a invoice and it just reuses that same invoice over and over again. You don't have to, it uses the lightning network to resolve, I guess is what I'm saying.

Yeah. You get an invoice, you get an open invoice that, and then when, when the paying node sees that invoice and try and goes to pay it, it sees that it's bolt 12 and it does a back and forth with the receiving node to get what's called a blinded route and workout and get the receiving node to generate a pre-image so that it can pay it. It's, it's basically exactly like Ellen URL, except it all takes place over native lightning instead of through HTTP.

So to get started on the, on the podcasting side, it is, I'm not sure how it works, but the value block, if I'm entering for, so I have a, a 50 % split on, on a show, I can add in two different methods for that, for that 50% split or how does that look in, in, in, in, in production and functioning? Say that again. I'm not sure I followed a hundred percent.

So I still want, as we transition, I want to move my payments to my Ellen address, but I don't want to lose out on people who are still trying to key send me. You can have, you can have both in the, in the spec. Let me, let me jump over to the spec real quick, just to make sure I'm quoting it correctly.

Okay. So you can have, so the way this, the way this works is you're, you're when you, when you're, you're well-known address, you're, you're well-known response for the lightning address, look up a response. Let me, I'm, I'm, I'm getting, I'm confusing myself here. The value, I don't know, I'll have to figure this out and write it up in a way that makes sense because there's the, the, the Ellen address has a, has sort of a custom we call it like a custom response.

So you've got, you've got two options for the type. You've got node, which can be the lightning node address. That's for key send. And then you have Ellen address. And so the full documentation for the Ellen address is it shows what's supposed to be there in the response. And people, people are asking in the boardroom, well, you know, what, what do you need? Does he have to have Ellen bits? No, I just used Ellen bits as an example because it supports Ellen URL.

Strike wallet, just to keep it simple. You can use all, there's all kinds of solutions, but you can use your breeze wallet. I mean, that, that accepts it too. You can send from strike to breeze just by using your your breeze Ellen address. That all works flawlessly. I think the answer to your question is you're going to have to choose one or the other.

Okay. But, but see, that's, that's in the RSS feed because you just have to make, you just have to choose one or the other in the feed, because once you switch to Ellen to Ellen address as the type, then when you're, when you're Ellen URL excuse me, when you start, when you do the dot well-known lookup, the dot well-known lookup can include key send data.

So what you're doing is you're, you're, you're, you're sort of, this is why it was confusing a while ago when I tried to explain it, when you, you're abstracting the payment methods from the recipient's address. Got it. So, so you're, you're going to do, you know, if you have, let me go back over to this example page from Oscar, he's got type equals Ellen address and address equals boost bot at fountain.fm. So he's going to do a lookup for the dot well

-known of boost bot at fountain.fm. When it returned, when he gets the return information for that address, it can include bolt 11 keys. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So the question is, is it easier for every, for the apps to retool to Ellen address and not necessarily, I guess it doesn't make any difference because they have to resolve that anyway. Right. The, the dot well-known. Yeah. But see, I don't control the dot well -known for my strike wallet.

But you don't, but you don't have, you don't have to. But I mean, that's the receiver. Are you talking about if you switch to using strike as the receiving entity? No, if I'm the receiver and there's going to be people who use two apps that have this built in that, that understand how to connect to strike. I'm just using that as an example. Can be many, many others.

And so that will be sending to whatever my, wherever my Ellen, Ellen addresses, but I have to control that Ellen address information to put in alternative methods. Right. And you're talking about using, you're talking about using fountain, excuse me, using strike. No, no, it doesn't matter. Well, okay. Using strike for the receiving end. I cannot control what's in the, in the Ellen address information. It's not going to, it can't even receive keysend. They can't receive keysend.

So somewhere I need the entity to create my Ellen address and the information that's, that's contained in it. Right. And so for, for like for strike, let's say you're a podcaster and you want to receive payments at your strike address and you would put a split in for yourself and just do Ellen address and your name is strike. Right. Right. Right. And that's going to have a dot well -known response that will provide an Ellen URL payment method. Right.

But it would be silly for me to use that right at this moment, because I would miss out on apps that are still using keysend. Yeah. Until, until January. What happens in January? I mean, that's when Albie apocalypse happens. What? I have my own note. That's my point. But nobody can send you, but nobody can send you anything after that, except people on. So here's, here's the landscape. The landscape on January the 26th keys, keysend basically goes away from our universe pretty much.

The landscape is going to change. And what you're going to be left with is you're going to be left with, with fountain breeze and nothing else. When, and so fountain understands how to pay, how to pay this already. So if you switch, if you switch this information, then you're not going to lose anything for through fountain because fountain already supports it. Right. Got it.

So then anybody who, any apps that are retooling at that point, they're going to read, they will retool to support bolt 11. So switching to Ellen address is going, you're not going to lose anything because you weren't going to get anything. Anyway. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay. So now the question is, can we convince everybody to retool? I don't know. All right. I hope so too. I mean, because lightning is still the only way to do what we do micropayments.

So, um, I mean, on that tip, on that tip in a decentralized way, I know other people are doing it in, but in a, in a truly decentralized way where we're not dependent with the lowest fees, with the lowest fees possible for micropayments. This is, this is the big part, right? You can't, you can't send 50 sats value with your visa card or your Apple, right? Like, like true, true fans is doing is doing their thing, but they're, that's within true fans is ecosystem.

That's, you know, that he's, they've got virtual wallets and these kinds of things. I'm just talking about cross app, decentralized, agnostic lightning stuff. This is the only way to do that. Yes. Um, how hard will this be for developers who are currently using the Albi API to retool to strike or others? So that's where that's going to be the next question. That's why I asked that. I nailed it. Oh yeah, you did. That's yeah. I just restated what you, what you just did.

Yeah. Um, I shouldn't have said that's going to be the next one. I should have said that is correct. That's the next question. Let me say this about that. Please do. I, uh, let's see. So Franco reached out, uh, Castamatic and he was like, you know, I'm, I'm looking at strikes API, but there's a small problem. A strike is not available in Italy. Right. Right. And so I'm like, uh, you know, supposedly they had this big strike, you know, big launch in Europe.

Uh, was it like a year ago or I don't know how many months ago? Well, evidently Italy's not part of Europe because no, no, no, no, of course not. Um, so I don't know. I mean, this is, these are, this is a question I don't know at this point. Um, and there's, we've also got the thing I haven't been able to get to yet is, you know, Zebedee. Zebedee is also an option and they, they, that may come in and then we've, you've got this universal money thing.

I don't, I don't know the answer to these questions. Um, that's, that's the part I don't fully understand how to address yet. I'm hoping that maybe we can, um, maybe we can talk about it with Oscar a little bit next week. Let's see. I wonder if cash app has a lightning API. I know they have a Bitcoin. I know you can access the Bitcoin part through their API. I don't know that it's specific. I don't know about the lightning thing. I'm not sure.

I did pull up their documentation the other day because when I had already cloned a skeleton app and I was about to start coding when Oscar literally sent me an email and was like, Hey, I've got this thing done. I was like, Oh, beautiful. God bless you. Yeah. Hey, man. Um, so I don't, I don't specifically know about that, but, um, this, uh, I think, I think we're just going to have to work through it. We're just gonna have to work through it.

I mean, and that's, that's the thing is that's why I started this by saying that I think we're going to ultimately be in a healthier place. Um, when all this sort of torrent turmoil levels out because, um, at the end, you know, at the end of all this, what we're going to be left with is different people doing different things with different APIs. And that's better because everybody's not just hitched to the same right. Completely agree. Completely agree. It's going to be messier for sure.

For sure. It's going to be messier. Um, but messy is, is kind of, uh, an advantage when it comes to open source. Um, now there's a sticker, there's a t -shirt too. Messier is better with opens open sources. Do it messier. Messy is our advantage, but you know that that's so like, uh, take, take Jupiter broadcasting. Okay. A show like Coda radio right now, they, uh, like going forward, they're going to, they're going to lose any listeners that were not on fountain. That's going to be our breeze.

That's going to be the immediate consequence, but a large part of their user base, their listener base is on fountain. And that will just continue to work. Right. They're not going to, they're still going to be streaming sass. They're still going to be getting boosts. Like, this is just not going to be a problem for them. Um, so that's interesting, uh, chicken and the egg problem here. Very interesting.

Cause you're going, you're going to get, uh, you know, at a certain point, you're going to get bigger publishers who say, okay, I'm using Ellen address and here we go. And then apps will fail if, if they're, well, as you pointed out, apps will start failing, uh, in January anyway. Anyway. Yeah, that's we're all, we're all, we're all in the same. I use Castamatic. It's my daily driver and Castamatic is hooked to Albie and that will stop working.

And it's just not going to work after, after that January drive day. So I either at that point have to switch to a different app to pay or, um, Franco, you know, comes up with a solution. And well, there are definitely, I'll be like solutions for, uh, for Franco, but not strike like solutions. So they are, what's the, uh, what are all the, uh, boardroom? Someone sent me this. What are all of the, um, the Nostra clients moving towards? Like, is it open coin or something? I don't know.

I think it's not open coin. There was something that people were gravitating towards. Can't really remember. Um, but they're having the same problem. Nostra has exactly the same problem, but they already use LN address. Don't they? Yeah. It was, yeah, it was built on LN URL to begin with. Right. And, um, I still think key send to superior. I'm sorry. I just do. Um, I don't see, I have, I still have a fundamental problem with having to get the receiver to invoice you before you can pay them.

I think that's just a terrible design, but it's what we have. So, um, you know, we gotta, we gotta figure that out. CoinOS, coinOS.io. What is that? That's the, that's what the Nostra people are moving towards. But what is it? It's a lightning system, a wallet system. CoinOS. Yeah. CoinOS.io. CoinOS. CoinOS. Um, their website is a blank black page. Okay. Something popped up for me. I don't know why you're getting a blank page. Oh, well, it just took a long time. The whole boardroom went to it.

That's why. Oh, okay. Easiest way to get started with Bitcoin, a free web wallet and payment page. Well, you know, I mean, that's, there you go. I mean, that's the, see, that's the thing is, is there's going to be, there's going to be all these, there's these different solutions. Yeah. And that's better. Yes. CoinOS may, you know, CoinOS may last for a couple of years. You never know. And then go belly up, you know, or, or switch or who knows.

And then, you know, but I don't know, I feel better if you're, if you're in a location that can handle something like strike or cash app, I feel better about that because those are larger invested companies. They, they just have a, they have a stability or if you're, if you're going to, or if you're hosting your own, that's your, that's your options. And yeah.

Well, we, we do have a bit of a sub thread running through all of this, which is the sovereign group who, I already see it in the, in the boardroom who hate the fact that we're involving big companies, hate this. It's not the Bitcoin ethos, but as you pointed out, the New York Times and the Bloomberg, they will not be happy that we put the, we put the, they put the financial marketing underwriters under the portfolio of, you know, the sovereign group.

And they say, look, we're, we're just investing in Bitcoin. We don't want to imposition. And they say, well, like, oh, I'm sure you're right there, but we're just going to put these guys in because they're going to pay the price for it. And then I said, well, give them strike wallet and say, this is it. You connect it to your financial world in these in these ways, and then you just connect it to your podcast app.

They will be delighted because that that two step process that that you mentioned, that has always been a huge detractor. Yeah, it is. It is. It's not just a detractor. It's hard to explain. Yeah. You're like, why am I doing this again? You don't because it's just it's just such a foreign experience. You know, it's not how anything else works. And so that's always been this kind of weird thing.

And and also in the background of all this is in another thing I want to talk to Oscar about next week is is L4O2. Yes. So, I mean, that's that's also a thing that we're talking that Russell has finalized the spec for. And I finally got time, you know, I got time to read over it this week and it looks great. So I think that and and. We can do funding tag work. You know, we can we can make the funding tag support like a Bolt 11 invoice or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so I want to express my deep, deep gratitude towards Oscar for doing this. He didn't have to do this. It's actually creating competition for him, which I think is just so 2.0 of him to say, you know what? I need to help everybody and get everybody back on track. And, you know, we explain that if it's just if it's just fountain, you know, we don't really have much of a of an ecosystem. And so for him to do that and it was just time for him. No one else did this. No one. No one.

A lot of complaining, a lot of Albi bashing. But no one stepped up. And so I really appreciate that. And I'm I am delighted and I can't wait for it to be implemented because I want to I want funds to be flowing. And hey, if you if if you're one of the apps that I use, podcast guru, if you think you need a certain percentage for the extra work you did, go at it at a fee. I'm happy to pay it. Happy, delighted. If you need me to pay something, huh?

Well, it's not also let's not forget Wavelake is out there, too, as well. Absolutely. With their app. Yep. And so there's an there's a there's a thing in there. It's not like everything falls apart. The problem is everybody outside of the sort of everybody outside of the. Of the sovereign. And which everybody outside of the sovereign world slash. Zebedee Fountain Wavelake world.

They're the ones that are going to have where we're all the ones that are going to have to try to figure out some different solutions, which is those things, which is where the growth is. And that's where the growth is. The growth is in getting more people in. And my recommendation is get them in, get them using it. Then orange pill them. And not the other way around. It's been a crazy it's been a crazy thing to see Bitcoin like tickling one hundred thousand.

The. Like. People don't understand deflationary money. I think it's just such a an odd thing that we're not that none of us are used to. That we're we're used to. We're used to the same product costing you more over time out of, you know, outside of technology, which has been deflationary. But that's really leveled off to. Technology is really no longer deflationary. It's more kind of steady state at this point. Except for AI. That's inflationary. That's inflationary.

But as far as like looking at your, you know, everybody just knows that holding cash for a decade is a losing proposition. But the the idea of the money being deflationary where, you know, if you if you started take if you started accepting streaming sats on your podcast to two and a half years ago, and let's say over time you made five grand in US dollars terms. In if you look at your wallet now and you didn't get rid of that, you just held on to it.

You've got twenty five or thirty thousand dollars. Yes, sir. And now you keep if if Bitcoin continues to climb over, you hold it for another year, you may be you may be looking at new car or down payment on a house type money. If I can add one other extra thing, I believe I think I have not put this to the test yet, but I believe with the strike wallet, I can convince J .C.D. to accept lightning payments, meaning we can promote it on the show as a way to support no agenda.

You think that would make a difference? Yeah, I think it would make a huge difference. For sure. And that's maybe maybe this show and a couple of maybe this show and no agenda if we if we can put them all together as as sort of flip overs where we convert to Ellen address and really go with the new format that may really help to have those have us driving that. Yeah. You know, because that gives everybody something to test against and all of that.

And because, you know, nobody else has to change their show necessarily. I'm thinking all this through in real time. Well, here's I can in real time, I can tell you one thing that we're going to have to figure out the information sent in TLV records. So when someone if someone boosts our show and Eric, I see your eyes rolling up in your head when someone boosts our show, I need to know what the full amount was before the splits.

And I don't currently I don't think that that's not something I'm going to receive with the Ellen URL method. Yeah. And I think, yeah, we'll probably get into that next week with Oscar. That's good. Those are the good technical details to get into so we can pave the way forward. Because we that's the point at which we probably needed to see this is all long time coming stuff.

Yep. That was we've we always have known that we've needed to divorce the metadata in the payment proofs from the payment. Yeah. Because inlining it inside the payment envelope was was always that's how you get spoofing. Yeah. So all of this is just the time to fix all of this stuff. Well, yeah, it really is. We have two months. Go, go, go. I will say having onboarded an artist in this past month and with onboarded, I mean, hey, Costello's, take care of this girl, will you?

That's that's how my onboarding works. Suzanne Santo, who is, you know, she's had a record label. She tours. She does lots of gigs. She's a buddy of mine. She's her husband is Nick Pizzolatto. He's a pretty well-known producer. He did True Detective, concepted it, wrote it, directed it, all three series. He's doing movies and all kinds of other stuff. And she really believes in the music. And so I, I turned her on to what we were doing in the value verse.

And she released a song, which I'm about to play. You can hear my, my cool little switch over and segue. I was tracking. Yeah. And I played it on Booster Graham Ball. And within five minutes of the show, she says, Adam, thank you for including me in your Booster Graham Ball today. So far, I've accumulated $7.77, which is more than I've received from Spotify after 28 ,000 plays. I think that kind of explains it all, doesn't it?

Yes, that's, that's the experience of every single music artist we've heard from. Every single time they say the same thing. So, you know, so this is the, this is the type of love I like to see. This is the kind of thing that we can do for artists, of course, but also for podcasters. And while we're on the topic, I might as well play this song, which I think will be this, the title song to a movie that her husband Nick is doing. Suzanne Santo and Worried. Booster, will you?

And I'm worried about if I'm gonna kill you, am I gonna kill you? Mm -hmm. And I'm worried about if I'm gonna kill you, am I gonna kill you? Am I gonna kill you? Am I gonna kill you? That's a great tune. Isn't that beautiful? I dig it, man. Yeah, yeah. I love the, I love the, uh, the fuzz. Yeah, kind of explosive there about, uh, two, two thirds of the way in. Yeah, I like that. That had a, um, like a, what's that, what's that woman's name? Um, it's not Demi Lovato.

It's, I keep getting, I always get them. No, no, it's, I always get these two people mixed up. Whitney Houston, huh? Whitney Houston. Uh, no, the, the, the, the, yeah. Come on, try, I can do it. We can do this. Try harder. What was Summer? Is that one of her, the album names? Uh, Summertime something. Wow. Sometimes, Lana Del Rey. That's it. Oh, Lana Del Rey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hear that. I hear that. Kind of a vibe of Lana Del Rey too. Yeah, I hear that. Suzanne Santo.

If you were listening to another modern podcast that while the API still works, go back and boost. Yes. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. While stocks last. Hey, I'm excited about this, man. I, I really am. I think this can reinvigorate everything. We can get a lot more people in and, uh, and the sovereigns can still be very happy. It's the best of both worlds. And I, I agree. Messy is good. Messy is good. Lots of different options for everybody.

And, uh, I hope that, uh, I hope that, uh, uh, Franco can find a solution. Yeah. To me, the real test of podcasting 2 .0 in all of its detail has always been, and always will be Castamatic because Castamatic is a serverless standalone app. And, and I would include, I would include also in that like antenna pod and other apps that are serverless and purely local installed apps. They have no backend in the cloud, those type apps. If they can do it, we've won. We've succeeded.

If, you know, if for every single feature, if it doesn't work in that scenario, and then I feel like the feature may still be great and it may still be valuable, but I'll never feel super comfortable with, with where it landed. Um, I don't know. It's just my own internal way. I get it now. I get it. I get it. Okay. That's the truth. That's the true nature of podcasting. It is. It is wherever you get your podcast. Yep. Oh, I feel drained. Yeah, me too. I don't know what that is.

It must be the API. Maybe you need water. I want to thank a few people who've been boosting live during the board meeting for today. Selass on Linux, thousand sats. He says, this is good. I like that V4V music is not filled with dog shit music. This is so good. I'm sure Suzanne Santa will love that booster gram. Selass on Linux again, 2000. I don't even know if live wallet switching works on fountain. Yeah, it does. It does. It just doesn't show it in helipad, which is unfortunate.

Billy bones, three 33 healing music. He says, and we just got Cole McCormick. One, uh, one, one, one, one as a non-technical member of the board. I understood nothing in this episode, but love fountain, wave lake and loving Nostra more admittedly. Good. Is that like an advisory role? It's important. It's an important role. I don't, I don't know anything what you talked about, but I love it. Uh, eight Oh eight from salty crayon.

Yo, this is an ad native ad is this Sunday at 6. AM special edition of upbeats. What's special? What's special about it? What happens when you combine a book written about drink recipes named after the track names from an album in V4V stay tuned. Oh, there's a tease for you. Stay tuned dot, dot, dot three 33. Again, from C Brooklyn, two 10 from orange pilled says I often listen to live YouTube videos, audio only. Now, of course, I think a lot of people do. Salty crayon. One, two, three, four.

Howdy boardroom, uh, Dave and Adam. So certainly Ray and I were talking about when sats are expensive. For example, when one sat is $1, how is that going to work for splits? We need a threshold to work for everyone to get a split. Three 33 sets one day will cost $333. Those lower sats will be more valuable thoughts. Why? Yes. This is the beauty of Bitcoin. I'm glad you asked. It is infinitely divisible. We will move to Millie sats. This is where you back me up. Yes, we will move to Millie sats.

In fact, and Millie sats is already is already baked into it. Yeah, it's already baked into it. So you have another thousand, uh, uh, uh, to, to work with. So you will be sending 333 Millie sats. If we get to the point where one sat equals $1, we're not working anymore. We're done. Good night. I will not be on this. I will not be on the other end of this microphone. We'll be in our yurt, El Salvador. We will have bigger. We'll probably have bigger problems.

Exactly. Selassie on Linux again, 2000 sats. What are the beans to be spilled of the secret society of podcasting 2.0? Well, it's this board meeting. Of course, this is where we spill all the tea. Uh, pod two with 5,000 sats. Nice from pod two. Uh, that's Russell. Thanks Adam and Dave for everything you both do. And thanks for talking about the L402 and F402 methods. We are calling secure RSS. What are you laughing about? F402. I just think that's a funny name.

We have something huge to announce next week. Oh, well, huge, huge. It's going to be huge. Um, then I hit the delimiter. So you are, um, I've got. I have had, did not have time to write down the PayPal's this morning. So I'm doing them off my email. We're doing it live awkward. Doing it live. We're doing it awkward. $300 from blueberry. The team over there. 300, $300. Oh, that deserves it. Thank you guys. That's beautiful. Thank you so much. Hey gents. We've been heads down over here.

Keep on cranking. Thankful for what everyone has done in moving the medium forward. The battle is real and we need to double down on the value of RSS as it's getting lost in the noise. Happy podcasting. Happy podcasting to you. Okay. Let's see. This is where, this is where I lose my flow. $20 from David Beardshaw. No note. Thank you, David. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate that. Let's see. And we got some boosts. Let me flip back over here. Okay. We got a 5,000 sets for music.

Mama. That's a music. Yes. Hello. Music. Mama. She says, love me some TJ Wong. That was from the last show. Yep. Yeah. Gene Everett, 20,000 sets. It says happy 200th show boost. Our monk or my, uh, my uncle lives in our monk. The old Curry family compound in our monk, New York. Uh, let's see. It wasn't. That is the, let me flip over here. I got one more. So you're looking forward to seeing everyone in Austin. That's also music. Mama. 2,500 cents. Yes. That is December 16th.

I got to cut a promo for other podcasts. December 16th and tones. Adam Curry's booster Graham ball, live control, the stage, the mist, the lights with your boost. It's going to be, uh, streamed live on all the modern podcast apps and toonster. And, uh, it's four bands, awesome bands, including, um, local band, FM rodeo, Ainsley Costello, just loud. And by the way, there will be some special guests, special guests.

Yes. Are you, are you cutting a, uh, cutting a promo for your secret, for your super secret live stream? No, not for the super secret live stream, but for other music podcasts, we've got a lot. They actually said, Hey, we need, we need a promo. So I got to cut a promo. It was, I'm like, can't believe I hadn't done that already. I feel foolish.

How many of those, how many of those things would you have to cut for in a, like in a single session where you sit down and be like, you know, uh, listen to the top 100 on blah, blah, blah in Kansas city. Oh, days, days, days worth when I did have the, the Adam Curry's top 30 hit list brought by Pepsi and Reebok. Um, oh yeah. Oh yeah. Days. And it was always listen. Hi, here we go. Hey everybody. It's MTV guy, Adam Curry. Make sure you listen to my top 30 hit list this weekend on 95 FM.

The Eagle, which is an amazing name for a radio station. Oh, believe me. They have it. That's Dallas. Kid Craddock in the morning. Everybody. Hi everybody. It's Adam Curry. MTV guy here. Kid Craddock in the morning. He loves my top 30 hit list on 95 FM. The Eagle. I can still do it. That's okay. Kid Craddock passed. Unfortunately, he's no longer with us. That's a bummer. He would have loved it. He's he hears me up there in heaven. He hears me. Uh, let's see. We got a delimiter.

We got a common strip blogger. 16,000 sats. He says, uh, he says, what does he say now? All right. Let me, I got a conjure, uh, chemistry blogger. Howdy fellow white people, Dave and Adam. Today, I'd like to recommend two podcasts from our fellow white friend, Darren O'Neill. First podcast www.planetrage.show. A podcast with deep voice, Larry, who is 95% Irish and partly native American, according to 23andme DNA test.

And second one, www.unrelenting.show with Jean, a Jew, who is mostly Ashkenazi Jew and partly Russian. Also, according to 23andme test that he did. And planet rage is clip show akin to no agenda and unrelenting is uncensored jibber jabber. Both not uninteresting. Yo, CSB. And both the DNA of Jean and Larry is now probably in hands of China and Russia. Since 23andme is close to going out of business. Oh yeah. And like FEMA, the military, CIA, NSA, everybody has it. Oh yeah, definitely.

Everybody's got a piece of that. For sure. Uh, we got some, uh, monthly. He's got Timothy voice, $10. Thank you, Timothy. We got, uh, oh, Satan's lawyer. Xenor. Oh, there he is. Limited for $5 from down under. Thank you. From way down under. Way down from the fiery pit of down under. Oh, oh, I missed this one on the original. Um, I'm, um, see, this is where I screwed up from my emails. Not where we're going to bus sprout $1 ,000. Holy moly, holy moly.

Keeping the wheels turning here at podcast index. Thank you. Buzzsprout brothers. Thank you. I sent a boost to buzzcast last week. And they did not read my boost on the show this week. No, no, you know, don't you know how they work over there? You got to send the boost. Then you have to use their, uh, text message system. Oh, you got to text them and say, copy, paste, copy, paste in your message. And then write in there. How many sats it was? Yeah, I guess. Thank you guys. Appreciate y'all.

You're very much. Really appreciate it. Uh, Oystein Berg, uh, $5. Thank you. Oystein. Uh, so we got Charles current $5. Thank you, Charles. Jorge Hernandez, $5. Um, Michael Goggin, $5. James Sullivan, $10. Cohen Glotzbach, $5. I think Cohen is, um, I think he's involved with, uh, with antenna pod. Maybe. Oh, okay. I think that's right. Thank you. Regardless. Thank you. Yeah. Uh, and that's it. That's our group. All right. Thank you all very much. Value for value.

The entire podcast index.org project. This program, uh, Adam and Dave take nothing. We use the Bitcoin to fund the node for liquidity. If you need some, hit me up. I'm happy to do it. Fees are low right now. At least they were this morning. Uh, so happy to help you. Um, and everything else is, uh, goes into the treasury to keep, uh, to ensure that podcast index.org is API, it's scrapers and, uh, and parsers. And we have to talk about that, uh, fast feed parser on the next show.

But, uh, I want to know if you had a chance to experiment with that. Probably not. Uh, no, I sent it to Alex. He was, uh, he was giving me some feedback on it. Okay. The official podcast. Yeah. He's the, he's the, he's hardcore Python guys. Beautiful. Um, oh, not so low analysis. Cotton gin. Doesn't matter. I'll still open it to you. It's all right. As long as not 110 sats, Vivi bites, you know, that's like, ah, like it gets kind of expensive, but it's what, it's what we do. It's what we do.

It's what we do. It's who we are. It's not who we are. All right. Dave Jones, my brother from another mother. Thank you so much for, um, uh, for today and for all the work. No, I appreciate all that you do. I really do. Oh, thank you, man. I appreciate y'all. I appreciate you. And, and this, um, we will get through this. We will. Every, every, everyone, everyone hug and share a secret and share a secret. Thank you very much. Remember to be back here next Friday. I'm 95 FM.

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