Podcasting 2.0 for November 15, 2024, episode 200, subcubits. Well, hello, everybody, we made it. We made it to our 200th anniversary. Welcome to Podcasting 2.0. We are the only boardroom that develops election changing technologies. That's right. Go visit any other boardroom. They can't do it. We're going to discuss everything going on with podcasting's past, future, and present. I'm Adam Curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who never clutches his pearls.
He just hates it. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones. Okay, this computer does suck. I agree with you. I relent. I just tried to resize a window in Unity and it's like, I wish you could see what this is. What is Unity? What is Unity? That's, uh, oh, that's the Ubuntu, the latest Ubuntu. Well, I just called Ubuntu. They called it Unity. Well, it's, it's the, it's their UI, their windowing system. Let me see if I can take a video of this nonsense.
For the show notes. Carefully take a screenshot. It might automatically reboot. This is, this is what I'm currently seeing. Let me see if I can send you this. So wait a minute. Is this going to hamper the, uh, the rest of the, uh, of the program or do we have to, do we have to, no, I'm a professional. I can, I can cope. Oh, you're, you're a pro podcaster right here. That's wonderful. It's good to be back with everybody in the boardroom to those checking in live.
We are live and lit as all, well, not always on Fridays, almost every Friday. Um, we, we took a week off last week. I said, Dave went to hunting for bear. I went, uh, yes. Scat retrieval in the, uh, in the forest. What is this? What is, what is, what is going on with you? Oh my God. Oh, you're screaming. Yeah. Yeah. That looks like a video driver issue. I know. No, no, no. The issue at the end of that clip, I think the issue is that ball of spaghetti behind your screen. Oh, oh, all the work.
You don't understand how little desk space I have to work with. I wonder why my video was all fuzzy, dude. You've got, it must have 18 roll. I can see ethernet. I see the, what is that a VGA adapter just hanging loose. Yeah, that's a naughty. That was not even being used. It's just a standby. It's a, it's a hot, it's a hot cable in case I need to do a hot swap. Yeah. A hot swap. Is that a VGA? What is that? Oh, I've got every, I got one of everything back there.
This, the debt, the depth of this desk is only from my middle fingertip to, to let, it doesn't even go to my elbow, to my elbow. It's less than a cubit. It's less than a cubit. That's a proper cubit. Yes. In the, if we're, if we're using a Noah arc metrics, this is less than one cubit. It's sub cubit. Got it. Yeah. So I have zero room on this thing and there's a, there's a UPS behind it.
Let me ask you though, in this, in this house where you live, um, so you have less than a cubit of desk space. Does Melissa by any chance have a nice closet? She has two art studios. And I have a, I have sub, I'm left with sub cubitness. Yeah. Sub cubit. Yeah. I know how that goes. I have, so we have a nice, a nice walk-in closet. I have one of the short sides. It's a rectangle. So I have one little short side and the rest is not my domain.
No, no. You get, you only get what's necessary for your, for you. Or what is deemed necessary for you. Deemed. Yes. You don't get an actual say in anything. You're not in the board meeting that have, they're not in the meeting. Oh, I'm sorry. We're celebrating. We are celebrating episode number 200 of the boardroom. We are now, yes, we are in our fourth year. Will this be our fourth or fifth year? We're in our fifth year. Fifth year. We started in 2020. So, right.
So that's one, two, three, four. Yeah. We're in our fifth year. Wow. Wow. Let me blow the horn. Blow it again. Yeah, that's good. It's good, man. It's good. Well, and look at what we've achieved. Everybody look at what we have achieved. It's amazing. Hey, the boost bot, the boost bot is a functioning. Look what we've achieved. We've achieved, uh, Albi hub is Albi, a hosted wallet is shutting down. And so we're going to have to like recreate everything from scratch. That's what we've achieved.
Good work, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. We could start there. Um, I got that email. Yeah. I just saw the email myself. So, uh, and that's January 5th, if I'm correct, everybody has to either move to Albi hub, which costs 10,000 sats a month. So that's about nine bucks at their current prices, which is worse. It's actually, it's actually worse than that though, because it says that's the price for three months. And then it, and then it goes to 25,000.
Oh, it's an introductory what is an introductory 25. Yeah. Oh, that's too much. That was what I, that was what I saw this morning. Let me, let me get back in. That seems too much. Um, I mean, maybe they haven't adjusted for the recent run in sats and the recent Bitcoin crazy run. Okay. Hmm. Hmm. Oh my gosh. This captcha, this captcha is so bad. Please click on the character that is not used for counting or writing words. Uh, dog, parrot, which whose has this captcha. What captcha is this?
It's on Albi. Okay. I got, I got through it. I got through it. Uh, log code. I was just going to, I was going to try to just make sure that, well, the bottom line is, you know, we have to move towards, um, towards the, the proposed solution. And, uh, we just have to, we have to do it. We have to move forward. Otherwise, um, you know, it just gets more painful. What, what is your understanding of the proposed solution?
My understanding is somehow we created a, an OAuth to strike and everybody's happy. Right. But it works with fountain and it works with, uh, other things without 10,500 sets a month for three, three months intro offer. Then it goes to 21,000. Yeah. That's, that's, that's a lot of money. I mean, what's 21,000 cents? About 19 bucks a month currently. Yeah. Goodness gracious. That's pretty expensive. That's more than a, and do you get liquidity with that or you have to open a channel then as well?
Yeah, you get, yeah, you get liquidity. You get all that. I mean, that's. Yeah. So that's just a no, that's a non -starter. So we need, we need to, we need to get this OAuth thing with the strike fixed, but what, what will it take? And Oscar, I know Oscar's busy, so I'm not blaming him for not coming through, but I'm not blaming him for not coming through, dropping the ball, dropping the ball. I mean, it's like a bowling ball on my foot, but no, it's okay.
Not, not blaming him, not blaming him, not blaming him. Hey, by the way, there's Sam Sethi. Thank God true fans wallet is free and you get sets when you join. That's true. Yeah, it's absolutely true. It's absolutely true. So someone's got to, someone's got to make a move here. That's all I can say. I can't do it. I wish I could. I wish I could. It's going to have to be, it's going to have to be a bigger, I mean like for the hosted wallet stuff, it's going to have to be a bigger solution.
It's going to have to be somebody like strike because it just can't like the smaller, the smaller entities like Ellen pay and Albie, they just, they're not, they, I loved him. I love the guys at Albie, but they just, they, they're, they don't have the staying power, like the stability of pricing and the stability of like just being around to do it. This necessary. Yeah. So just briefly then it was going to be bolt 11 invoices. Was that it? If I can't really remember exactly, it's been a while.
Yeah. Just, I mean, just dropping in the strike API. Let's just make that work. If we can make that work and if it can send the payments and my node can receive it without too much hassle. I'll, I'll do it. I'll make, I'll make the demo. Dave is not busy enough. I know this for a fact. I know you, you have so much time and December is a very slow month for you, so it's going to be great. It's going to be great.
Yeah. I feel like, I feel like if I spent 72 hours, 72 hours is just Mike knowing you, I think 72 hours. Three. Yeah. Three days. A weekend plus a Monday. I, I, I agree with cotton gin. I think I should step aside for the enthusiasm you're exuding at this moment. It is slapping me in the face like a, like a wet salmon. It is beautiful. Oh yeah. I like a wet salmon.
Yeah. The, uh, it, I don't, I don't want to do it just because I'm so busy with this other project, but I, but I feel like it's gonna, their, their, their documentation is pretty good. Uh, and like their, their, um, developer docs are pretty good. So I feel, I feel like it's just, I don't know. I don't, I don't think it's going to be a monumental task to just come up with some demo code, uh, like a little test site that shows how to do it. I'll rub your feet while you're doing it.
I'll do anything you want. You know, me, I just, I don't have any capability. I'm frustrated by it. You know, it's like, uh, yeah, I was trying Pearl the other day and I just hated it so much. Pearl. Oh, don't get me up. Please don't get me started. Where were you using Pearl? Uh, we, it's, we get production code, this at the office. It's, it's, it's just one of the, like Pearl is just the worst language ever. Is that something you developed years ago and it's still in your life?
Yeah. It's, you know, it's for reporting. And so it's not really user facing stuff. You know, it's all just sort of like, um, it never touches a human being other than me. Yeah. Yeah. And that's where most, I mean, these days that's where most Pearl lives. Cause it's actually very good at reporting. It's great. It takes manipulation, but the problem is I only deal with it like once or twice a year.
And by the time I get back around to making some adjustments to it, I've completely forgotten how to, I had to relearn Pearl from scratch all over again. Um, it's got these, the worst thing about it is it's got these hidden variables. So if you're in, like, if you're in like a for loop or a while loop or something like that, it sets all these hidden variables that only exist inside the loop.
And so there's like, there's a lot of just unspoken things that Pearl, like, you know, what's that website? It's like Pearl gurus or something like that. Let me check my bookmarks. Pearl Monks. That's it. Pearl Monks. Yeah. The big Pearl website is called Pearl Monks, like M O N K. And that's true. It's, it's like you have to, sometimes it's so arcane.
You have to like walk up the thousand stairs to the top of the mountain and ask one of the wise men, Hey sir, how do I, uh, how do I assign a multidimensional hash? Well, you have to use this, uh, it's like, uh, it's just too much. It's too, they wave some incense around you and then hold on a second. We have to, we have to, we have to bless you before you can complete this task. Yes. Now, however, I'll work, I'll work on the strike. Well, you're, you're a beautiful man. Thank you.
Do you smell what I smell in the air? Uh, I smell cashews right now. I smell freedom. The free, I smell freedom in the air somehow. I'm walking outside something after this election, something feels different. Have you interacted with other human beings outside of your home and office? Uh, no more than usual. It just feels like, feels like something's in the air. People like they're, they're a little more optimistic in general.
I feel like it was a, uh, yeah, we haven't talked since the election cause that was, no, we haven't. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I feel bad for you that your candidate lost. I really do. I mean, there's some people like there's some people that, uh, are very upset, very, very upset. Yeah. Um, and, and I mean, that's in those feelings are real. Yeah. Feelings are absolutely real. The, the, I mean, we, you want to do a on the podcast election? Well, I have a clip.
Do you think his appearance on Joe Rogan's popular podcast helped cement him with this new coalition of Republican voters? This is CBS news. Well, if we're thinking about that coalition is containing young white men under 30, it also contains a young Latino men and young black men, but it, but he did particularly well among young white voters under 30. I think it's Joe Rogan.
I think it's all the podcasts that he went on and his general aspect and response to kind of the norms and the fussiness of elites and, um, and you know, experts and all of that, which has been his thorough message for years. 2008 was the YouTube election, right? And the blog election, this was clearly the podcast. And by fussiness of the leads, do you mean fact-checking by people who do what we do for a living? Oh, absolutely.
I mean, that's, um, absolutely, you know, and thank you for the clarification, Mark. It's an important point. Who's this guy? Who's the guy? I don't know. Some, some Jamoke CBS news guy. Consumer put it right in your vein, messaging, whatever you want to say. Right. I mean, there used to be, you had to clear a threshold of, you know, 60 minutes. He, he didn't do 60 minutes, but he did the podcast that fed right into this constituency.
I can so remember occurring George W. Bush, who, who would say, you guys are just the filter. Donald Trump has found a way to surpass the filter. And as you said, just get directly into the veins of his supporters. So I do want to remind, that's a great impression. This is a reminder of this is a over a year ago, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said the following. If I talked about what I was thinking about, it would have, I would have been deplatformed.
But once Elon took over, I started, you know, they, they, they unshackled me. And, um, but also I think this is going to be this year is going to be the political campaign that will be decided on by podcasts. And particularly because the candidates are not wanting to debate. So I'm not only not, not only is Biden not debating, but I think Trump may not debate.
Um, and, uh, um, so I think people like me are going to end up going to, are going to, you know, we're going to really test whether these podcasts and, you know, I was talking about. So I would love to spike the ball here. I would love to be going around. Yeah, podcasting did it. I'll, I would say we get 60% credits because the, a lot of the, now I wish I had the numbers. Nobody has the numbers. Nobody really knows. I know a lot of people listen to Joe Rogan, to the audio podcasts.
There's the, uh, without a doubt, the YouTube video, which was hard to search for initially, which it should be the writing on the wall for everybody. If you remember when he did the, the, uh, the podcast with Trump. Yeah. I experienced that too. Cause I did, I I'm not subscribed to Rogan. So I went, but I didn't want to see that sit down. I wanted to see all the candidates being interviewed.
And so I went to, and, and I went, tried to search for it and I couldn't find the full, all I found was clips. I couldn't find the full episode until I, until I went and I, I forgot what, I forgot what magic phrase I used to finally find it, but it was not, you know, if you just put in Rogan, Trump interview or whatever, you did not come back. So that should be the writing on the wall. And you just said it without sub subconsciously, you said, I wanted to see all the candidates.
And I think that this was much more a, um, more about video. And I'm sure that most people watch Trump, JD Vance, um, uh, Kamala Harris on call her daddy. I'm sure that was much more of a visual experience. It's interesting though, because, uh, Joe texted me, I'm sorry, let me pick up that name. I just dropped on the floor. I was going to let that pass, but go ahead. And he said, so he said something very kind. Let me look it up. What was it? He said, America is back. Thanks to your invention.
I'm like, okay, I saved America. It was bad. It was like, nah, thanks Joe. Um, but we're in a very, very interesting place. And I know you have, uh, and I know the clips you have, uh, because we've talked about them and I want to get to those, but I think these are new clips, but they're new to this. Okay. I mean, you've, you've heard parts of them, but I've clipped them differently. Okay. Um, what is happening now is very dangerous.
Uh, I mean, ultimately I'm not worried about podcasting because we have RSS feeds, RSS feeds are not going away. They are indestructible. They are part of the underpinnings of the internet. Uh, they're created automatically by too many systems. We have, um, you know, we have podcast index. We still have other indices around that rely on RSS and there's plenty of, uh, of podcasting to go around.
But when I heard the most recent Spotify announcement and I have the interpretation by the, uh, the tech journalists at KTLA in Los Angeles, we're, we're headed for some interesting times when it comes to what is podcasting and what does it do and how does it remain true to its form of, we don't need transmitters. We don't need platforms. We need an RSS feed. Listen to this. Uh, first let's start with Spotify. Take an aim at YouTube. They want to be the place where you watch video podcasts.
The company held their annual now playing event and announced two big moves. First, it will start paying podcast creators who get lots of views and it will let paying subscribers watch. I just got to stop right there. So just listen to the interpretation. First, it will pay podcasters lots of money to money to get lots of views. Huh? Cart before the horse. It will start paying podcast creators who get lots of views. Oh, who get lots of views?
Okay. Well, uh, this still, and it will let paying subscribers watch video podcasts without ads, but keep in mind that does not include what's called host reads. Those are the ads that hosts read themselves that are built into the shows. Now, according to Edison research, YouTube is the top place for podcasts with 31% of weekly listeners. Spotify has 20. Listen, I'm, I'm baffled by this reporting. YouTube is the pot top place for podcasts with 30% of listeners.
So he's mixing all these metaphors with 31 % of weekly listeners. Spotify has 27% Apple podcasts. Surprised to me, 15% share video podcasts are particularly popular and continue to grow cheap production. Yeah. That's exactly what it's all about. Yeah. It's all about cheap production. Well, that's not what it's all about, but from my understanding from the reporting and I haven't did his weekly review not come out yet. I didn't see it. I don't know.
I didn't have time to look for it from, from the, from the daily, which is very soft-spoken by James, who's in Los Angeles airport. I guess he's worried about offending people in the airport. Is he in the skiff again or whatever that thing is, whatever that was called. No, it is the skiff. He's in the skiff no matter what it is. He's in the skiff from now on. James is in the skiff.
We already know that if you upload a video version of your podcast to Spotify, it replaces what is in your feed is no longer correlated to your feed. And now from, I understand just from cursory reading the way they're going to be offering APIs, presumably to hosting companies to upload your video to Spotify, which will come as far as I can see, will completely disconnected from your RSS feed. And that's my understanding too. And so two things, first of all, when will Spotify learn their lesson?
You are stupid. It doesn't work when you try to be the walled garden. It just, you're not going to be YouTube. There's just no way you're not going to be the YouTube of podcasts. So I don't understand how they can make this mistake again. And on the other hand, I'm kind of like good riddance, like, all right, everybody go over there and do whatever you think is going to work.
And video, podcasting is now video and it's on Spotify that will give free reign for the audio people and people who do video in their feeds to just continue on our happy way. But it's a, it's, they're about to confuse things even more than Rob can do. Uh, no, no disrespect, Rob Greenlee. I think, uh, uh, you caught me off guard with that. Uh, I think this is all about an, an ad, an advert, an advertising play sort of in reverse.
So like the, what I thought was good coverage was, uh, Ashley Carmen's newsletter. She went into some detail about this and gave some, some kind of link, a little bit more lengthy quotes from people who were at this presentation. And what Spotify was saying is, um, I've got, let's see, I've got one of their, got one of their quotes here. It says, uh, as part of his presentation, Spotify characterized advertisements as a pain point for his subscribers.
Soderstrom, I think that's the guy in charge of, uh, of this whole thing said the company found that podcasts increasingly include more ads during a three month period ads first accounted for on average 8% of a podcast length. And then that jumped to about 11%. And he says, quote, now extrapolate that over a few years. It's not going to be good. He said, so this just keeps increasing in, in this weaker podcast ad economy we're in right now, it's not about to get any better unquote.
Um, and so like, and he went on to say, and I don't, I didn't get that quote out of it, but he went on to say that when people that basically YouTube is just an advertising, uh, mud hole, if you don't subscribe to YouTube, it's almost unwatchable. It is a, it is a, it is five mid rolls, a pre-roll a post role. They take over the screen and it is, it's awful. So they, it's become basically just a cesspool of, of in your face, unskippable ads.
And that we, you know, we had, we had this, um, I don't remember what clip that was, but we had a clip of a guy talking about this on, I think it was like CNBC maybe five months ago. And what he was saying is everybody does this. They hover over the skip button waiting for the ad timer to hit so they can hit, skip it. Like, that's, that's what they do on YouTube.
And it feels like, so what, what Spotify said was they're going to give video, uh, video streamers, I'm not going to call them podcasters because that's not what this is. He's going to give, they're going to give video streamers a cut of the ad revenue. If they use Spotify's built-in insert ad insertion tools, or they're going to give, and they're going to give them a cut of subscription revenue.
If they don't, if they use, if they just are hit certain thresholds for watching for watch time for like eyeballs. So if you hit a certain amount of minutes of eyeballs over the course of some time window, you get, you get a payout of some sort. And that's going to, that payout is going to come from their premium subscribers.
So this feels like what they're trying to do is take advantage of the fact that YouTube is a complete dump, an ad dumpster fire and say, Hey, come look, come watch your stuff over here because you already pay for Spotify or you can upgrade to premium and you can get all this stuff. You get all this music, you get all this kind of stuff for free and you get no ads on the videos.
Like, and I just don't know that that, because if number one, I don't, I don't think that's, that's just a walled garden strategy. I don't think it's going to work out. But the bigger thing is I think that this is indicative of what we've been talking about for a while, or at least I have that, that advertising is not enough to make these companies profitable.
You're correct. And I'll, and I'll back you up on that assertion by looking at what all the streamers are doing, specifically Amazon, you pay for prime. Now you get prime and you're getting ads. You have to pay even more. If you want to remove those ads, everybody is running with an ad strategy. Wall street is saying, Oh, this is great, but they have to. So they need both a subscription and advertising in order to make the economics work. Yeah. Which is very unfriendly.
And, and, and I'll, I'll, uh, Sam Sethi boosted in, he says, uh, James is flying pod news weekly review. We'll drop shortly. Well, I hope, I hope he lands before it drops. Also, when will some of the $60 billion of political TV advertising money spent during the election? I don't think it was 60 billion, but, uh, become the way of podcasting. Well, yes, of course, this will be a big part of the strategy for 2026 and 2024 in the United States.
And it's going to suck because you're going to have just, you're going to be riddled with crappy political ads and it's going to be very tempting for, um, podcasters, video streamers, whatever you want to call them, uh, to take the money and do whatever is necessary for the money. The objective nature of media is going to diminish very, very quickly with that. Well, here's an article from ad week from four days ago.
It says as Amazon's revenue and stock price continue to climb, the company is pulling back between January and August. Amazon cut its core retail business us ad spend about 20% equivalent to $700 million compared to the same time in 2023, according to estimates from the market. So, so Amazon in an election year cut its ad spend by 20%, $700 million is almost as big as the entire podcast. Supposedly. Yeah. So yeah, supposedly, I mean, this is, this tells you where advertising is going.
If you are a, if you're a pure advertising based business, the life is going to get increasingly more difficult because like when we've seen this, you know, this list sort of leads into some of this, uh, on the media stuff, but we've, we've seen that seeing like CNN cut starting cuts, they're, they're, they're doing, they're starting with them at CNN mass layoffs. Well, MSNBC, they're talking about selling it.
There's a little nuance there, uh, which is partially due to the streaming mania and yes, I will say podcasts. And that is because people are cutting the cord on cable. Cable became too expensive. And, uh, any cable news station, all cable stations. And I have these numbers. I know what the numbers are. They get carriage fees. So if, which is equivalent to a Spotify premium subscriber, correct. Correct. Only you as a customer of cable don't really see that price directly.
You pay, if you have ESPN and you probably have ESPN just because you have to have it, they build it into the package. Um, it's $7 a month from, of your bill goes to Disney for ESPN. And, um, they got really greedy. Um, you know, the cable price, especially when they bundled an internet just went up and up. And then they did exactly what iTunes did to the music business. They unbundled the album.
So I'll just buy a track and everyone's going like, well, you know, I want to put my own bundle together and the economics don't work. And so people are just saying, no, you know what? I'm just going to subscription, hop around and get whatever I want, which is also going to stop. Trust me. They're going to stop that, that business, uh, that you can just subscribe for a month and then unsubscribe. They're going to make, they're going to make it difficult for you to do that.
Um, people don't want, you'll have to do an annual or something. And it's insane. People don't want bundles. And now you're seeing NPR, I'm leading into your package here. They are literally now advertising the NPR plus bundle. It's like they're reinventing cable for themselves. It's so stupid. It is, it is a, yeah, that is a reinvention of cable because you, even the most diehard NPR listener probably only listens to two or three shows. Exactly.
And you don't want the other, you don't want to pay for the other 12 that you don't listen to. Which is why podcasting is so grand, you know, and not all podcasting is out there to make money. That makes broadcasting even more beautiful. People just do a podcast cause they want to do a podcast.
The C like CNN, the MSNBC and all these, um, these cable news networks that are having trouble, the, this, and I mean the broadcast TV as well, ABC, CBS, the, the, the amount of money these anchors make is outrageous. Yeah. I mean, I thought, I think if Chris Wallace was like 8 million a year, 7 million. Yeah. Uh, Anderson Cooper, 20, 20 million dollars. Well, this is what they say. You never really know.
Um, there's a 7 million for Chris Wallace, 6 million for Aaron Burnett and 3 million for Caitlin, Caitlin, whatever her last name is, the new girl. I want to talk to her agent. I mean, to be honest about it, no agenda is like, yeah, we're all in. Okay. So does this sound like you, you love no agendas podcast. You wish you could get more of your favorite show and you want to support no agendas mission to create the best podcast in the universe.
If all of that sounds appealing and it's time to sign up for the no agenda plus bundle, just send your cash. I love the, uh, the Silicon Valley pitch music. That's great. No agenda plus bundle. This is, uh, yeah, we were, see that we were told that this was good. We were told that this was going to be the podcast or it was the podcast election. But the thing is nobody said why it was the podcast election. Um, yes.
I mean, I didn't really say, I mean, I know why it's the podcast election, uh, or whatever you want to call it was the non mainstream media celebrity election. That's what it was. And so first of all, celebrities have no power. No one cares about them anymore. The whole industry is sold out. The gossip industry used to be gossiping about the entertainment industry and celebrities.
They sold out to movie tickets by creating fake divorces and fake romances to, to sell movie tickets or concert tickets. The, the, the rest of the entertainment industry sold out to the fashion industry. Who are you wearing? This is beautiful. Go stand in front of our three 60 cam. Who are you wearing? So the whole thing is people don't care anymore.
And the, the, the linear nature of 24 hour, uh, programming based upon a 60 minute clock with 18 to 20 minutes of advertising where you have to have a pre-interview, the questions are known, the jokes are built in. It's all phony and fake. And so what people want, which has been proven by Joe Rogan and others, they want to just see two people talking for an hour or two or three or whatever. That's how you get a sense of someone. You get a sense of what someone's personality is like.
You can form an opinion. That's what people want. And the nature of linear broadcasting just doesn't have that. So I want to, I want to, I brought clips of, uh, on the media's post -mortem of the election. This was the, the episode title of this episode was the day after. Yes. This is where they, it wasn't, was this the one where they just talked? It wasn't a produced episode. They were just talking.
Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And I will have to say I learned more about Brooke and Micah in this 30 minute zoom chat. Then I, then I have all the hundreds of episodes that I've listened to them. I mean, this, this is my hate listen. So I've, I've heard many hours of this show. Um, and, and I learned more about this, this, in this non-produced piece than I ever knew before. And, and it was interesting. And I was actually, I was, it's one of my favorites, maybe my favorite episode they've ever done.
And, um, at first they, so they're, they're talking about the election about like, well, you know, basically just a post-mortem. Well, first of all, the shock, the shell shocked as most of the mainstream media was shell shocked. They could not believe that after excoriating a candidate, uh, and having all the celebrities on one side and calling him a racist or rapist, a misogynist, the dictator ripping up the constitution on day one, do I need to go on?
Uh, they could not believe that the American people voted for him. They were, they were all prepared to be, you know, for another January six and, uh, another insurrection and more lawsuits and the, the accusations of, uh, a rigged election. They were, they were prepared for that. Like they were prepared for when, you know, everyone knew the queen was going to die. They had all their packages ready. You know, we're good to go. We're, we're mainstream. We're set. We know what's going to happen.
Yeah. And they, they even said that and that they were like, well, I guess we don't need to do that show about the contested election and lawyers and stuff. No, I guess, I guess not. And they were literally on the show saying like, uh, Oh, what do we do? What kind of show are we going to do this week? We don't even know. We've got to throw it. We've got to call an audible. What are we doing? Call it 42. So then at first they seem to get it.
It's like they, it sounds like they get it, but if you dig in and you listen close, they absolutely do not get it. So the, this first clip is they're basically, they're like their first crack at what went wrong was people just didn't hear the facts. There's something going on that those of us on the coasts don't understand. And I can't help, but feel it all boils down in the end to the bubbles we're all in. And the fact that the, that a great many Americans aren't familiar with the facts.
Okay. Now, now that's where you said it's like you, you, okay. Disadmission that they're in a bubble and you're like, well, yeah, you are in a bubble and that you, it gives you the sense that they, okay, they get it, but that's not really what they mean. What, the more I listened to this, what I, I began to understand that what they mean by bubble is that is they're not, they're not critiquing their own, their, their own, their own font. Yeah. They're not critiquing their own content.
What they're saying is that people didn't hear their content. They, so their, their use of the word fact is an example of them like missing the heart of the real problem. Like those fact checks didn't help the media at all. No, they didn't help. They didn't help anything. It just made them look even more biased because of how many times the fact checks turned out to be wrong.
Um, I mean, if I, if I never hear the term fact check again in my life, it will be a wonderful thing, but it's just, it got to be so crazy. Um, it's like, and I want to say like the, the, well, clip two is, is another, essentially another version of this, where they say that the reporting didn't reach people.
You said that there are obviously some, uh, there are many Americans who don't know the facts that have been reported repeatedly by the media, the fact checks, the, the questions about Trump's policies, reporting on his last administration, all of that seems to either have been memory hold or not reached people. Memory hold. That's interesting.
You know, he's, he's directly referencing the 2016 era of the first Trump presidency and saying, you know, uh, we look, we gave you the facts we get, you know, we gave you everything. Everybody, people must not be hearing them with when the reality is people are hearing them. They just don't believe you. Like it's, it's not an assessment of the quality of their content. They think that their reach has been diminished. Yes. People aren't actually listening to their words.
Yes. The, they need to, they need more power on the transmitter, right? More Watts. And, and, but the real issue is no, people are hearing you. You've just damaged your own credibility to such an extent that people don't trust you anymore. Um, like instead of like, it's like, I'm giving you a fact and you're just, you're not acting on this information. You're, you're, you're not, you're not behaving. You're doing it wrong. You're holding it wrong.
It's like, is there, say it's like, look, we, we fact-checked RFK jr and showed you he's an anti-vax, he's an anti -vaxxer. What, what? And then, you know, and then, and then RFK jr goes on Rogan and explains that he really wants safe vaccines, which is not the same as an anti-vaxxer.
And then there's also, and he, and I think also there's an air, um, um, uh, an issue here where we're in a postmodern postmodernism is the culture is the air we breathe, whether, you know, whether we think it's correct or not, we don't get to choose the sort of milieu of the day that we live in. Right. And we do live in a postmodern world and we live, and that means there is, it's not so much about truth anymore.
Even if, even if that was true about RFK, which I don't, you know, I don't think it is, but even if it was, you also listen to a speech he gives and he says something like this. He says, America is a war culture and it's tearing us apart. Yay. You hear, so you have these two things. Now you have this. So on the one hand you say you have this person telling you that, Hey, he's, he's anti-vaxxers, he's anti-vaccine.
And then you have him saying, America has imported war into our daily life and it's tearing us up, it's tearing families apart and we have to stop. Now, which one of those two things is more motivating to a person? Right. When people hear him say that lamenting how torn our culture is, it resonates because we all have relationships in our lives that have been ruined by like this vituperative left-right thinking that's just infiltrated our every part of our life and we all hate it.
And so that is going to meet the more powerful motivation there. People don't live their lives in like a clinical analysis of facts. We live our lives almost entirely on two principles, meaningful work and loving relationships. Those two things are what create the fabric of life that we, that we want. And if one of, or both of those things are threatened, facts really don't matter. Backseat. Yeah. Um, it's like news guard, news guards going all in on this thing. I don't know if you've seen this.
Let me see if I can grab the link. Oh, what are they doing now? So they've got this thing called an RFK junior health killer, healthcare claims depository. Let me paste this. This is where they're going to, this is where they're going to fact check RFK junior to death during the Trump administration. And so this is basically this, they carved out a whole section of their sub stack where they're going to put all of the RFK junior disinfo going forward.
And, and I'll put my, all my cards on the table. I voted for RFK in this election. I've read, I've read two of his books. I've listened to hours of interviews and speeches. Nothing on that list makes a lick of difference to me. I do not care. You can give me facts all day long, but you are smart enough to make your own decision based upon the things that you sought out and investigated.
Right. My, I made my decision based on, I listened to him speak and I get the overwhelming sense that he cares deeply about fixing the chronic disease and health problems in this country. Right. That's what matters. That list I could get, I could care less. You can throw it in the trash. And so like they, they do not understand any of this, but like, and so they go even further. So, so Micah digs in and clip three and ask what, ask Brooke's opinion of, of what the issue is.
And I guess Brooke, does that just mean that the media is fundamentally broken? I think the media delivery system has a great deal wrong with it. The delivery system? Whoa. Whoa. They think that, again, they think the issue is that people outside of their ideological bubble, bubble aren't hearing their voices. No, they hear you. They just don't believe you.
This is like an extension of the idea that if we just ban, ban all of the like wrong thing, like I mean, Russia today, sub stackers, the, if we just ban all these wrong thinkers, then people will hear them more clearly and make better decisions. But that's not the way this works. And so she follows it up with she follows it up with her opinion in clip two. And I think probably the mainstream or legacy media or wherever you want to fit us in still has a comprehension problem.
We keep trying to understand. I remember when Bush was elected and there were a lot of evangelicals in that case. The first time we were going, wow, this was happening beneath the service. We didn't even know, but we should have known this time. And we still don't know. I don't know. Wait a minute. Is she saying evangelicals did it? Is it the Christians, the Christian nationalists, the crypto fascist Christian nationalists? Well, I think here's where we find out that and broker Democrats.
No, I'm shocked, which is fine. It's fine for them to be that there's nothing wrong with that. But we, but that's a low reason I'm bringing it up is that that's another indication of the problem here is we, we, we have this sort of like suspicion of their political leanings based on the way they do their show. Oh, they're just flat out about it now. Yeah. But they don't, we didn't. Yeah. We never actually get sort of a confirmation of that until we hear them sort of quote off the record.
Yeah. And that's the way traditional media operates. They operate on this sort of like fake arms length, dispassionate view of the world. You know, Hey, we're not telling you how to vote. We're just telling you that Trump's literally Hitler.
Yes. And then I'll, I'll say on top of that, that was the entire business model of Fox news was to create the exact, the, the, an exact copy of this on the other side of the political spectrum, which I feel is commercially a great idea, but it's hurt us because everybody gets into it. Look at them liberal tears, lives, libtards, which is just very bad. I think, I mean, that was the whole point of Matt Ivey's book, hate incorporated is that this is the American model.
It's the American business model. We've talked about this. Yeah. Monetizing the extreme ends of the political spectrum or it tears you apart. So, you know, news guard has, this is one of their criteria is do you clearly delineate between news and opinion? Like that's one of the like elements of the score that they give you. No one, no one does that. Well, like the New York times or the Washington post or my dad, they'll label, they'll label a, an editorial piece as an editor.
Okay. Do you see what I mean? Like, yeah, sure. It's fake. It's a fake thing because we all, we all know, I mean, the Trump Russia gate thing of 2016 that lasted years and turned out to be a complete hoax was reported as hard news every single day for three years. Yeah. The opinion, the opinion of the reporter always seeps through. It's just that podcasts don't pretend that it doesn't like good point.
Rogan doesn't Rogan doesn't sit down and say, you know, and act like he doesn't have an opinion. No, he, he, he gives his opinion. Sometimes he holds back, but this past year he's been very quick. I mean, he was pretty much a, a liberal, a Democrat. Yeah. Bernie guy. Yeah, for sure. And a lot, he liked, he liked, he liked what Sanders had to say for sure.
Well, I mean, like if you listen to a pod news weekly review, James and Sam, they tell you the news headlines of the week, but they also give you their actual opinion and what they think. And here's the crazy thing. I still love and like them. Absolutely. I have so much more respect for a person that will do that. Yeah, of course. If, if broken Micah would come out and just say, here's, here's our opinion. Here's where we stand that I would have so much more respect for them.
And I would trust them more because I would have a better mental sort of like framework of, of what's going on with this thing I'm listening to. And I might actually learn something or it might, it might actually give me something to think about. I read so much stuff that I did from like, quote, the other side of whatever position I take.
And that it's, I've, come to see this sort of like dispassionate arm's length news reporting is just sort of a farce, you know, just, just, just treat, let's all just treat each other like adults and we can handle it, you know? So the, so then Micah says, what in clip five, he says, well, what, what is it? What did we not know? What did we not know?
I guess I'm, I'm, I'm confused because a lot of the debates that we had on the show were about whether journalists took the threat of Donald Trump seriously and conveyed it clearly. We weren't talking so much about reaching people who had tuned out the media. I mean, right. That's almost a separate topic altogether. I don't, I don't know that it is Micah. I mean, I think it's the same topic. Who are you conveying this stuff clearly to?
The entire nation, hopefully, but of course we know we don't speak to the entire nation. No one does anymore. So we do a damn fine job of talking to ourselves. You see that that's again, this, this is this theme here of they think people aren't hearing them. Um, and, and it finally hit me when, when they were talking at some point of, of the way this works, it's, it's messaging. It's not, um, so they, they sort of package up a message and then send it to the audience. It's not a dialogue. Right.
And podcasting is much more interactive in that regard. Much more in, in the messaging model, you're just creating a package and you're sending it out. You're telling the audience what to think. You'll never understand why people's people exhibit the behaviors they do, whether it's voting or anything else. You'll never understand why, if you don't listen to them. It's interesting.
Bemros or Bemros in the boardroom says, you know, the word, uh, Dave's looking for is propaganda, but it's not these people actually believe what they're saying. I don't think they're being paid by any government to say this. So by definition, it's not propaganda. What are we drinking? Show beer. This is a polar orange vanilla. It's amazing.
The, uh, as I'm listening to this, I'm realizing that Spotify is going to have a very interesting time when they start basing, because they're still going to be basing a lot of their revenue on advertising. They've built up the department. Uh, they're going to run into the same issues they did during COVID particularly with Rogan. They held strong on that and I have respect for them, but they're going to start, you know, they're going to have to take people down.
You can't say that you can't say it that way. You can't pronounce her name that way. You can't do that. And they're going to take stuff down. It's going to be a very, very messy situation. I think you're right. And I, but I think at the same time to, um, I feel like there's a lot of going to be a lot, I think there's going to be shell shock from this election that lasts a long time.
Oh, no, no, no. Not just, you know, there's a lot, there's ample evidence that a lot of, uh, Democrat party operatives, but also media are saying, you know, maybe we made a mistake by forcing everybody to say Latin X and then use correct pronouns as being so rabid about how you pronounce the candidate's name. There is some self-awareness. This, I see it as very healthy for, for the mainstream, but it's a little too late that we've moved on.
Yeah. You know, uh, YouTube has pulled way back on their takedowns of for, for certain speech related thing. Like they've, they've really, there's a big New York times article about three, about three or four weeks ago, um, criticizing YouTube for not taking down like a 2020 election denial info and things like that. They've, they've actually pulled way back. I think, I think they're, I think they're going to have to, um, wait to survive. Yeah. But to survive.
Yeah. But when she talks about distribution, the distribution mechanism, I mean, it is fundamentally broken. We knew this would happen 25 years ago. We knew the internet would disintermediate everything. We knew that this was going to happen. Just like we knew that newspapers would run into financial trouble because their revenue was coming from the classified ads and not people actually paying for the news. It is news by its news has no value. It's just news. That's what Twitter is.
Twitter is going to become, or X is going to become a news app, just news. And it'll be AI based and some will be true and some will be completely fabricated. It'll be all kinds of stuff, but it's just going to be a feed of news. News has no value. That's why Twitter is free. Basically opinion will always matter. People like opinions. They like listening to opinions. So NPR, you know, they've got to figure out, Hey, if they would say, Hey, we're, we're opinion here.
And here's the news that we're reading that you're reading. We think it's true, false, bullcrap, whatever opinion will matter. And people will gravitate towards people who they think their opinion is correct or matters, their own. That's just human nature. And where do you think you can get opinion? Where do you, where's the slam dunk place? You always know you can find people's opinion is podcasting. Yeah. Curry and the keeper. Yes. Yeah. I was going to let you drop that one. Thank you.
Clip seven is, is, is about. See my Micah puts it that they're going to choose the people have been tuning out of the mainstream and his, in his words, choosing other voices to listen to the local news business has been devastated. People's habits have changed. I mean, a lot of younger people are not watching their local TV stations or not paying for their local newspaper. There are still communities with access to local news, but people are on YouTube. They're on Tik TOK.
They're listening to podcasts, right? They have just chosen other personalities. They've chosen other people, journalists, or those who LARP as journalists to choose their information. There's no news monoculture left that is dead. Those who LARP as journalists, not elitist at all. No, well, the politics, the, again, they're like, okay, people have chosen to listen to other voices, but they don't ask why they never asked that simple question. Why did they, why are people making those choices?
The, you know, this is, there's an entire, this, this is the praxeological question, the human action question. Why do people do what they do? And if you never ask that question, you're just, you're just playing. You're not serious. The politics and media, both are bought and sold using the same currency, trust and authenticity. That's, that's the only currency that matters within the realm of politics and media. That's why there's currently a crisis in both of those things.
Whether you agree with somebody's opinion or not is, is, is, whether you agree with somebody's opinion is by necessity secondary to the issue of if you trust that this opinion is truly held in good faith by them. This is where I'd like to insert some news, some good news. Okay. I was discussing parts of this on no agenda.
And I said, which I think I've said here, the future of media is hyperlocal because there is no, he just said, well, people aren't watching their local news because it's crap because it's, it's network, it's network packages. And then it's, you know, it's human interest and it's all based on, we got 30 minutes of which eight minutes is commercials. We don't have any time. We're rushing through it. We'll do, we've got the sports story, got the weather.
Well, now we only have 15 minutes left to do news, local news. And it's just going to be whatever grabs people. If it bleeds, it leads. So I was talking about this and I said, you know, if anybody is interested in setting up a hyperlocal podcast for your own town, your city, your community, where you live, excuse me. So not, not a community of interest, but well, by definition is, but a, a geographical local podcast, which by the way, you'll probably be supported by your local community.
Probably not enough to do it full time, but you can do something for your community. I was overwhelmed. I had within an hour after the show, I had 30 inquiries. I have over a hundred, a hundred. I've never had a response to something. I had to write up a webpage for it. It's unbelievable. People like, yes, this is a good idea. I can be the voice in my community. I can be not just a voice, the voice. There are no more voices.
And, and I think you're going to see even more disintermediation of, of the networks who by necessity have had to roll up into like, you know, Elvis Duran in New York, Z100. He's not just New York anymore. He's in 15 markets. So he, he by definition can't do all the local news. That's the hole that podcasting needs to jump into. It's wide open. The water's clear and fresh and good. I want to do it. I want to do a podcast, local podcast for my little, for my community.
I don't have the time, but I like the desire is there because I think it would be so, I know for a fact that in the little part of town that I live in, that it would, people, everybody would tune into that. Everybody would listen. Of course. If you just talking to people in the community, I mean, even to make it a call in show. Whatever. Take calls and just talk about stuff going on down the street. Just have people call into voicemail.
Yeah. Talk about, you know, aunt Rudy down the street and how she keeps letting her dog out of the fence. I mean, anybody would, would, would listen to that. It's like, see, like a, it's like C -SPAN, but local, you know? Yes. Yes. But like truth, truth always exists. Truth always exists downstream from trust. If you don't trust where the information is coming from, you're never even going to get to the point of thinking about whether it's true that that's, it's so secondary.
I mean, trust takes years to acquire and it takes minutes to lose. And that is the problem with that is the problem that this, that's, that's the whole reason why people are tuning out of mass media and going to podcasts because they feel like the true, they feel a level of trust there. And the trust is based on honesty.
They, you may not agree with the, with the podcaster, with the host or the guests opinions, but you feel like you can tell, you feel like you can judge accurately whether they're honest. And that sets you up with the proper framework to then evaluate their truth, the truth of what they say. And that's a problem for, for NPR or excuse me, WNYC or, you know, whoever these, you know, MSNBC, CNN, Fox. I mean, it's a problem for all these people because they've ideologically pigeonholed themselves.
Like that's clip eight. Yeah. And every successive Republican administration has said they're going to cut funding, but in those days, yes. And in those days when we've covered it in the past, we've said, but we have this solid conservative listenership and they don't want it to be gone either. And so it would not be a popular decision on the part of any kind of local Republican. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true either. I think it's certainly less true.
It's more vulnerable than ever. Yeah. So basically they're saying we used to have a financial bulwark against our own, you know, demise because we had a sort of an ideologically balanced listenership. It may have leaned a little bit more heavily to the left, but at least it was maybe 60, 40, whereas now it's like 90, 10. And you can't, that is a, you've put yourself into a precarious position.
And the problem is they don't, since they're just message passing, uh, clip 10, uh, excuse me, clip nine. They, they don't know how to think about this in any other way than what they've always done. I think in the end we, we keep talking about the messages that are out there, how they get out there. And this is the executive producer, I think, isn't this the executive? No, this is Brooke. Oh, that is Brooke. Okay. Yeah. Hope that we can make a contribution.
I don't, again, we can't predict the future, but, but I, I don't know that we're going to see a Trump bump again. I think it could be isolated to like maybe the New York times. I'm sure some sub stacks will go gang buster. I'm sure some Tik TOK accounts and podcasts will get a whole bunch of new subscribers, but I don't know. I don't know. I mean, yes, I fear that the mass switching off. Well, I don't know.
Yeah. So the Trump bump they're referencing for those who don't know the term, um, is the term means that whatever happens with an election with Trump and people were flocking to the news to find out why, what, how, where, and as is witnessed by not just cable news down 40, 50% in viewership overnight, but also many YouTube channels were losing. So people are walking away from it. They're just sick of it. They're just sick of it. They're tired of all of it.
They're going outside to smell the freedom. Well, they, they know that this is the last, this is the last hurrah of Trump. He's gone after this. There's, there's not going to be, there's probably never going to be anything like him again. And so that's just like, eh, who cares? I think I'm just going to get this engagement. I agree. Yeah. I'm just going to go on with my life. What's in what happens happens. And that's a, again, in an election year, Amazon cutting back ad spending 20%.
This is all very telling, but, but the clip 10 shows that Amazon, I mean, uh, that on the media and I think just NPR in general, traditional media, I just don't think they can think they can't think of any other way to function. I don't know what else we can do. I mean, it's not like we have the answers. We, we know how to do this thing, tell the truth, try to contextualize it and send it out into the world, like a message in a bottle that you throw off the side of a rowboat. That is our role.
We can do it differently. We can see what kind of message resonates, but we don't run a campaign. We don't, we're just trying to be honest brokers. When I heard that, my first thought was they actually thought they were running the campaign. It's like, we were, we're running this, we're, we're, we're, we're supposed to be making this happen. We're the ones that, that, uh, determine who gets elected or not. And, you know, listen to Joe Rogan.
He sits down with a guest and lets them say whatever's on their minds. It's unfiltered. Same with Bill Maher. If you want an example on the left, Bill Maher does the same thing. His interview, listen to Bill Maher's interview with Ben Shapiro. I love listening to Bill Maher's interviews. I don't agree with him. I actually agree with a lot of things with him, but it's, it's nice. It's comfortable to listen to. I get an opinion of the guy. I don't hate him.
If it was just soundbites of like, I hate you, but no, it's because it's, it's unfiltered. It's comfortable. He did interviews with Ben Shapiro, uh, Candace Owen. He's done, he's interviewed tons of people on the, what you might call far right. And he is, and those interviews are very delightful to listen to. And they, you hear, you hear them have points of commonality. You hear them have points of, of disagreement. It's a, it's, it's fantastic.
You can, you feel like you have space, mental space to make up your own mind about what you think. That's what podcasting is. Wow. Now, you know, I love how you've, how you've done this. That was good. Authenticity. That's the currency of podcasting to me. That's that to me. That's why this was a podcast election. It's a shitty bumper sticker, but yes, it's true. Also not a great t-shirt. Podcasting is authenticity. Yeah. That's too much. How about this?
How about we take a breather and we play, play a little music, play a little, a little, a value verse music. How does that sound? Do it. I got this from, uh, our, uh, from, uh, from Jim from phantom power music. He said, check it out. TJ Wong kingdom come here on two point. I'll do my best not to let you go. It doesn't matter what you've done. So don't you know, we don't need to fight. Turns out to be a pretty appropriate song for the topic today. TJ Wong, Kingdom Come, Value for Value.
If you like the song, just scroll back a little bit, hit your back button. You can even pause it, boost the artist, support them, putting their music up value for value everywhere in the value verse. I like it. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, it's a good song. It's a toe tapper. It's a good one. It is a toe tapper. It's a toe tapper, I tell you. Well, that was a good deconstruction, Dave. I think you've nailed it. And it doesn't really matter what the topic is, whether it's politics or anything.
I mean, just hearing like ATP, you know, they talk technology. They all they have a very different political view of the world than I do. But, you know, it's interesting to hear people just talk. We've this is we've known this forever. And that was sort of a long series of clips. But but, you know, but I think that. I think it really matters. I don't know, I think it matters to know why it did. We I think everybody says, you know, yeah, podcasting played a big role in this election.
But you have to say, why did it play a big role? You can't just say that it did. Right. I mean, you have to you have to have a sort of an explanation for it. And yes, sometimes, yeah, it takes a while to get sort of to the point. And but it's it's and now that you've said it like that, it's so true with everything, with with with all you know, it's a funny because for a while there, I don't know if it's still in play, but it's like you've got to make shorter shows, got to be snappy.
People want short content. I don't agree with that. I have never agreed with that. I do two, three and a half hour shows a week. But I don't know that people tune out sometimes. You know, the by the time we're done at the end, it's 40, 50 percent of what we started with. But. I know that, you know, people listen as long as they want to, and they'll come back and they'll try the next show and they may stay longer, they may not. But or the the topics may not interest them.
You know, chapters are kind of helpful for that. Some people just don't want to listen to some things. But they. Dvorak and I, we talk about this often, why are people listening to us? Why? Why are they listening to us? And, you know, the conclusion is, first of all, we're doing it as a service. We're not you know, it's not a product. It's not a product and it's not a bundle or a plus or a subscription or anything like that. We also don't interrupt your time with ads.
I think that's an important part of it. And and we're doing it as a service because we we're giving we are definitely only giving our opinion now based on what we think are facts. And we come with clips and other things to to try and make a case. Sometimes I would say most of the time I'm just trying to convince him. He's trying to convince me. And the audience listens along. I'm not trying to really convince anybody in the audience, though, by the way.
Yeah, you're you're not passing messages here. You know, you're not you're not message passing, you're just like giving your opinion. Exactly. And sometimes we're right. Yeah, passing passing messages is that's not it's just not natural. People don't talk that way. You know, that's that's the way politics. That's the way politicians use car salesman. Yes. Yes. And just like all politics is local, all podcasting will be local.
Frank Franco, he he got he got us a he got us the skinny on the Italian licensing. Oh, yeah. The license, the licensing dudes who are like, you owe us thirty thousand dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, he somebody within the Italian podcasting world kind of it looks like they're going to call their bluff. And so we're we're we sent him a you know, we don't owe you anything. We don't owe you any money letter. So I think we've handled that for now.
But however it shakes out, we'll if we can, we'll let everybody know. So in case they get some similar letter, you'll know how to respond. Yeah, we never I don't think we ever heard back from him, by the way. Now, I haven't seen anything back from him either. No, of course not. I said, go pound sand, boy. All right. Well, it's time to thank some people, seeing as we're on on your winter schedule. OK, yeah. I'll start it off. We've got some live boost.
Cole McCormick, 1111 with mainstream media dying. I want to encourage the boardroom to check out my conversation with Zach from Indie Hub. That's Indie with double E. We spoke for two hours on episode one nine one thirty nine of America Plus, which is a great show. He's a real innovator who sees the value in authentic art and expression. Movies are not products. They are a service. We're just talking about that. Yeah, I know Zach from Indie Hub. Yeah. Thirty three. Thirty three from Bit Punk FM.
Podcasting is authenticity. Bumper stickers for the wind. No, no. One, two, three from these laughs. This is fire, he said. That was for TJ Wong. We got 50 cents from Sockeye the horse. Thank you. Sockeye always 50 cents. Two thousand for Booberry. Nick, the rat has the best show about a locale, which is the sewers of Brooklyn, New York. Call him nine one seven seven one nine five nine two three. Then we had the two boosts from Sam, his triple sevens. Whoa. They buy a bio drone.
Fifty thousand sats. Oh, at these prices. Goodness gracious. Yes, I think that deserves a shot. Twenty is blaze on the Impala and bio drone says happy two hundred lads. My business partner and I have been inspired by podcast index. So we've created the smart home index at smart home index dot com. Quick question for the professionals. How do we do the acknowledge part of the feedback loop with the website? Or is the answer do a podcast dummy? OK, well, I think I can answer. I think I can answer.
So he's talking about values, doing this value for value. Look at how GoFundMe works. GoFundMe. You have the GoFundMe. You have the the explanation of why people are raising money. And then on the side, there's a banner like a scrolling thing. And it says so and so donated so much so and so donated so much. And you can put a little message in there. You can be anonymous. It's very much like a booster grant.
So just put a place on your website where people can where the support messages come through with the with the payment. And I think it's very important to have the amount there because that works aspirational and inspirational. And that's your feedback loop. Mike Mike Dell, 1701, happy 200. Thank you, Mike. Salty crayon. Seventy seven, seven, seven, two hundredth where Dave is studio two hundredth where Dave is pseudo the Linux and Adam is pinging the pongs.
We are all still loving running with scissors in the boardroom in the pipe. Go podcasting. Lyceum 111, congrats on your milestone. Think Biodrone again. One, three, three, seven leaps, boost and 20 ,000 sets from dreads. Dred Scott coming in from Castamatic. Congrats on 200. Go podcasting. And I have up 22,000 from cotton gin. Happy 200. Thank you for your courage. Thank you, guys. And I believe I've hit the delimiters. Yes, is is reaching a milestone of many, many episodes.
I mean, it's a thing. That's really just that's really just an like a judgment on how much you love to hear yourself talk, right? It's something very interesting that I've learned about value for value over the years. People first of all, people love to support you. They love to support you for a reason and they love numerology. See all these eleven, eleven, seven, seven, three threes. People love numerology.
So when a round number pops up like a 200 or a 500 or a thousand, they like to match that number and they like to celebrate that number. It's like, I don't know, humans like that birthdays, anniversaries. We just like to celebrate things. And it's always been and it's now we don't do a newsletter. But when no agenda has we had seventeen hundred. We had 17 years. I didn't get a mention in the pod news. I was a little disappointed by that. What, what, what?
Seventeen years, you know, people were sending seventeen dollars, one hundred and seventy dollars, seventeen hundred dollars. People love doing that. And yes, of course, we love hearing our own voice. Hello. It's like birthdays. It's like congratulations on not dying. Yeah, you're still here. Congrats on still being in my life. See, we got. Oscar, Mary, two hundred dollars. Whoa, Oscar. So I call up when he is blaze on the Impala. Thank you. Thank you, Oscar.
I think Oscar's getting fountain back on track. Yes, it's the stability is back. Rough patch, but it looks like he's getting getting the ship on course. Yeah, it's hard, man. It's I've had so many people like church people. You know, who are not the most not I don't want to pigeonhole, but a lot of them are a little older. They're in their 60s, late 60s, some early 70s. And they're like, I'm having some problems. And the first thing I say is, it's amazing. Any of this stuff works is what I say.
And they're like, oh, OK. So I frame I frame it right there for it's amazing. Any of this stuff works. And then I say, stick with it. This is just a couple of guys. And when you put it in that context, like, oh, OK, I'll stick with it. You know, I'm all I never say, you know, don't switch or switch. I just take it. You know, and they have a feedback mechanism. If there's something you can't figure out, they're very responsive. There's something you don't understand.
They can help you or I can try and help you. But I'm always putting it in that for the first frame is it's amazing. Any of this stuff works at all. Believe me, we're not Google. That's for sure. Yes, that's truer words were never spoken. Kyle Bondo sent us 50 bucks through PayPal. Wow. Thank you, Kyle. Yeah, Kyle says Kyle from Flogner out here in the Valley of the Dinosaurs. Wishing you both a happy 200th episode. Bravo Zulu to your both as you ride the lightning. Go podcast. Yes, thank you.
Go podcasting. Let's see. We got some boosts. We got up. There's Kyron. No more podcast. 2000 sats through fountain. He says happy 200 episodes. Thank you. Glad for all your sanities. We didn't have. Let's see. Glad for all our sanities. We didn't have a fees versus splits round two discussion. No. Well, we we dodged the bullet. Dave's blood pressure would have reached 200 as well. True. Yes. Anonymous through Podverse. Test two from CSB. Twenty thousand twenty to twenty thirty three sets.
All right. CSB, we got you. Comma strip blogger. This is test three from CSB. Thank you. Comma strip blogger. Twenty thirty three. I had to slap him around a bit. So on the on the mastodon, he was complaining. And this sucks. And I'm leaving podcasting to Bono. I said, listen, it's classy. SB is like if we love that you break things and find flaws and report them. This is very helpful. But if you want to leave, just leave. You have to announce it.
And I've been doing this to him for almost 20 years. And he's still here. And I love him for it. Let's see. By a drone, 51 sets out of 10, 10. He says, what a tune. Heard it on podcasting 2.0. Oh, that was for the previous show, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Pod home. Barry, that's our buddy, Barry, through podcast guru. He says, when can I download your podcast apps? Spill the beans on your secret project already, boys. Yeah, we were going to we were going to talk about it today, but we ran out of time.
And that's not that's the truth. We ran out of time. Well, we're we're definitely going to lift some of the veil. It's not really an app. No, it's not an app. It's a it's a vision. It's a it's a vision. We're selling a vision. That's a vision of the future. Cotton? Question my question, my question, my gin. I think that's the brother of cotton gin. Oh, yes. Twenty two thousand two hundred sets. He says, happy 200. Thank you for your courage. Wow. Thank you.
I think those were supposed to be emojis. Oh, OK. Got it. A commissary blogger. Is this make sure make sure I've got 17000 sets, I think. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Music Mama's first. That's yes, Julie. She says Abel James Austin is going to be legendary. Yeah. Yes, yes, yes. Abel James is. Oh, that was for the song. Yes. I need to plug. I need to remind everybody. December. Is it 16th now? No, no, I'm a douche bag. Get your calendar. Yeah, I do have to get my calendar.
I'm pretty sure it's the 16th or 17th. I think it's the 16th. Oh, gosh, I feel like a douche. It's I don't even know when my own show is. Adam Curry's you've only got 12 of them. I know. Adam Curry's booster gram ball live will be on Monday, December 16th, live from Antone's famous, famous venue in in Austin, Texas. We've got Ainsley. We've got we've got FM Rodeo. There's a couple of surprise guests I can't talk about yet. There's going to be neon that you can control with boost.
I think I'm going to be able to control the miss machine. It's going to be a nanny. There will be actual music people who I've invited, you know, like people who care about music and also come from the music industry. I want to show them what's going on. And I think it's it's it's reasonably small. I think it's two, 300 people at Antone's and tickets are on sale now. Tickets are on sale. Get them while they last. That's right. While stocks last. What? What are the how many?
So how many times is ZZ Top played at Antone's? Oh, it's got to be many, many times for Stevie Ray Vaughan. Mm hmm. Comic strip blogger. 17,000 sass through fountain, he says. How do you feel a bit corners, Adam and Dave? Please subscribe to podcast from grumpy old dames dot com. Oh, they are the ambassadors of mature womanhood. I have not heard this show yet. I know grumpy old bands were grumpy old dames. Cool. They are the ambassadors of mature womanhood.
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This all goes into podcast index dot org, into the machinery, into the liquidity and anything else we can provide. We are happy to help. We are here to serve. We're on a mission from God. And we appreciate the boardroom being here as always. And we look we're going to do a show next week, right? Board meeting next week. Regular time. Regular, regular bat channel. Beautiful. My brother. Have yourself a great week. Oh, I'm sorry.
You can't have a good weekend because you're going to be doing the strike wallet stuff. That sucks. No, no, no. I'm going to be. I'm actually going to be in Kennesaw, Georgia tomorrow. Oh, what's going on? Climbing competition for my daughter. Whoa, whoa. All right. So she's in pictures. She's competing. All right, everybody. Thank you so much for hanging out with us here for the 200th board meeting of podcasting 2.0. We'll be back next Friday. See you then. Adios.
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