Episode 198: Domain Experts

Podcasting 2.0 for October, 25 2024 episode 198, domain experts. Hey everybody. We're back. It feels like it's been a week or two. It is time for podcasting 2.0 the official board meeting of all things podcasting, everything is going on at podcast index on social and boy, was there a lot going on. We got all kinds of cool things to discuss. We are, of course, the only boardroom that triggers your podcast app split

let's see Chad F says, rip, rip. Boost bot. What happened to the boost

bot? You know, I don't know. The boost bot ran out of channel liquidity, and I opened a new channel three weeks ago, and then somehow, just as gone, went offline.

I don't know who's in charge. Who's the who's the VP in charge of who's the

Yes, exactly. Can we have, can we have some accountability please here? Who's in charge of the boost box? It's been down. I mean, I think it was up for that week when I opened up the channel. I just don't know who's in charge of it. Cotton Gin is reaching out to reaching out. C dubs

reaching out. It's probably,

you know, a Raspberry Pi somewhere sitting in a corner, and, you know, something went wrong and somebody didn't notice. I mean, that's usually how those things go.

Got a bad SD card?

Oh, man, I, I gave up on the Raspberry Pi. I really had to give up on it. I mean, that was my first lightning node, which is now four years ago, more than four years ago, and a certain point, it's just like, ah, there was always something going on with it.

From day one, I never went the Raspberry Pi rat, I always had a real look, a real box, like a small form factor box. I

know you've got a real box, baby.

It did not save me from running out of disc space, but it did save me from other things.

Well, then I got the the Bitcoin machines, which is basically a Raspberry Pi in an enclosure, but it's factory built, and, and and then, so you have to add a an external SSD drive to it with a USB. And that's like, the number one thing that Raspberry Pi says won't work. It's like, don't be adding external SSDs because the power supply can't handle it, and there's all these issues. And I just tried that. Then I ordered another one, and they took my bitcoin money and never

The the start nine is that you have, is that on their own hardware. Yeah, on your own? No, no,

they, they sent me one. Okay, yeah. And, you

know, I had a whole fancy box, or whatever. That was just a

box, you know, but I had a whole chat with the CEO, and, you know, that's how we got helipad and all these other things starting to run on it, and, and the IPFS podcasting. So it's all, it's all part of the you know, so we're arm's length, arm's length, arm's length, man, I I have to share this email that came in

the look at podcast index. Email, no,

it actually came out. Came into Adam at Curry com, okay, and and I read it, and I and I had to immediately forward it to Dvorak, who then called the guy and got the details. Listen to this. Hey, Adam and John, your latest episode. Oxymoronic. Was a fascinating dive into media deconstruction. The mention of the 1699 club stood out as a

Oh, this is AI, yes,

of course it is. So I see this because obviously that you got the ox, first of all, you got Adam and John somehow from scraping something. Then you got, yeah, transcript, oxymoronic from an episode title, but then the mention of the 1699 Club, which is in the credits. If someone donates the show number, then you then you're in the 1699 club. So the AI interpreted that as a club. Ever Community Building Initiative,

not wrong. And

so now, of course, we don't have guests on the show. Never had. So okay, so I send this to John, and now I'm like, listen, look at this. Ai crap. So Dvorak reaches out to him, and it turns out this guy uses something called pod pitch. Pod pitch.com, pitch. Listen to this pitch podcast easier and faster than ever before. Stop wasting time looking for relevant and active podcasts. Pod pitch is the first and only PR platform that actually removes work from your podcast

Save 13 hours per week and get better results.

Get your team on 3.84719193 3,000,847. 193 podcasts. How many do we have? This is actually 4.2 Hmm. So they, they claim that they have, what is it? Let me see what it is. How

are you going to get yourself on 3.9 million podcasts this? This

is that's obviously bullcrap. There's just,

there's only, there's only 440,000 that have published an episode in the last three months.

We have every podcast host name and verified email address that's over 3.8 million email addresses. Boy, I'm glad we took it out of the RSS feeds

that Okay, wait, this is boy, this is such a bull crap right off. This is so untrue. 3.8 million verified,

verified, verified, verified, that's right, that's that's

not even, that's not even possible. One point over 2 million of those are going to be anchor, and they don't have an email. They have an email, but it's a it's an anchor at something. It's like it's an obscured email address that most of the time doesn't even work like that this, this is a complete lie to begin with, because it's not. There's no way they verified that many people listen

to all this stuff they've got. We count each and every episode that podcasts publish in real time, plus the length and how frequently they publish new ones. We count the length of every episode and how frequently, oh, that's the same thing. We have real time or close approximated listener count data for each podcast in the database.

Listener count. This is not what they're claim. What they're claiming is not possible.

Yeah, well, they're using it. They got through to me. They got my attention.

I wonder. Okay, here's my best guess at what's happening here. Yeah, there I, I bet you. And I know they're not using us, no, but they don't think they can be because we're I would have seen them first of all, but I think my guess is they're using pod chaser. That

was my listen to this. Listener demographics, the pod pitch, AI engine. AI engine access vast listener data, such as gender, age, location, consumer type, consumer type. What kind of consumer type are you? Dave Jones,

the one, the one who eats crappy milk

and more. Our in house, AI engine generates a score to match you to every podcast in our database based on your experience and personal goals. Wow.

The reason I say A, the reason I say pod chaser, is because there's only, there's really only. There's only three directories that this, that they could possibly get stuff like this from now. They can't get, okay, yeah, they can't get email addresses from us, but they could. They could take our dump and then go and fetch the feeds and parse the XML themselves and grab, grab all the email addresses to fill in that hole. And that's what we tell people to do. We're like, we're not

bottom line is, it's it doesn't work because they pitch an interview to a podcast that has never had an. View in its existence. So the AI is broken no matter what, no matter what.

If you're building a system like that, it seems to me that the first thing that you would do is build into the model to try to determine from the language of the podcast if they actually have guests or not first, I'm just throwing that out there, yeah. How

does pod pitch work? We meticulously created the world's largest database of podcasts. Okay? Pitching utilizing, oh, here it is, AI driven messaging, yeah. So they go in, they look at the show notes, and then that's the drivel that came out as AI drivel messaging not driven AI drivel. Messaging is this really AI driven messaging? You send tailored pitches via email. Every email is 100% unique, yet uniquely awful. Oh, man, all right. Well, it says

they have, we have the title and description of every active podcast as entered by the host on Apple podcasts and Spotify, as entered by the host on Apple podcasts and Spotify, right? So that's just your description. That's just your description. But it's funny though, that that they say Apple podcasts and Spotify,

because you enter your description there, but that's

already in the feed. Why would they what? Why would they say, I don't know Apple podcasts and spot I don't know

if we should talk about this too long. I'm getting frustrated. These guys suck

this. It's just, well, it's, at the very least we can say they're they're just spamming pod. Well, they're spamming the podcast. And

that's okay. I thought it was just funny. It's like, Come on, man. He's like, you've never listened to the show. It's obvious. And then this AI sent this flowery language. So Devorah calls the guy, and the guy says, You are the first people who picked up on that, it's aI really, yeah,

that was obvious to me within the first sentence, Yeah,

isn't that cool?

This is AI slot. This way. This is

it. This is the AI slot. That's right, that's right. Oh

yeah, I was actually, I was reading Spotify. Let me see,

let me kick. By the way, the guy's name

is the guy who's

Yeah, who sent it is Brian gross, okay, okay, Brian gross, from gross media,

big se. I was reading this, this document on that, I think James, I'm pretty sure James linked to this about engineer is from Spotify engineering, from their R D thing. It says the title of this. Let me grab the URL so I can post it over there. The title is how we generated millions of content, annotations,

annotations, annotations.

Let me post that over there into the boardroom. Yeah. So this, they don't say, they don't say exactly what this is, but this is sort of, this is how they tag suspect content, you know, questionable content and and it goes through and kind of shows their process of how they built their their system, which was interesting to me, because This is what Todd talks about a lot. Where they, they have so many, they just are pumping out takedown notices all the time,

yes, well, not just, yeah. Well, they take it down, and then they notify the host they've taken it down, right? Is the way I understand it, yeah.

And so this is, this is the this was interesting to me, because I'm like, Okay, well, let's see how, what have they built to make that happen? And they go, they go through here, and it's, it's a machine learning model. It's interesting to me that they do not mention, they only mention AI once in here, like generative AI. They're, they're very focused on

Well, to me, it sounds like this is how they check pod, because I know a lot of people are getting takedown notices or episodes being removed for licensed music, which could even be, you know, like a jingle or something, or even something you've licensed honestly. I mean, I know tons of churches who pay for their worship music licenses. They get taken off of Facebook all the time, all the time, then they have to contest that. Oh, we're sorry, and they get put back on

this. This seems like says we we increase the corpus of annotations. I think what do they mean by annotations is like tagging, tagging, cut certain content on their system, about what they think a violation was. And I'm not sure that this shows up publicly. I think it's probably an internal thing. So like, it would be sort of like a community notes in

annotator productivity. Nice.

We established large, yeah, we established a large scale expert is, this is what kind of got me. We established large scale expert human workforces, now in several domains. So what, immediately, when I, when I hear, we establish large scale expert human workforces. Oh, I know

what that means. It's AI, 1000 Indians, yeah, anonymous Indian AI, anonymous Indians, right?

It's, it's the Amazon 1000 Indians approach, yes, yeah. In several we established large scale expert human workforces in several domains to address our growing use cases with multiple levels of experts. They use the word expert a lot, including the following, core annotator workforces. These workforces are domain experts who provide first pass review of all annotation cases. Quality analysts. Quality analysts are top level domain experts who act as the escalation. Oh, wait, this is

Spotify. Yes, this is Spotify, who was actually making a profit after they filed, fired all of the podcast people now that now they're hiring Indians, anonymous Indians at 15 bucks an hour, if that may be eight, it's

not anonymous Indians. These are domain, expert level domain, yes,

core top level domain, like.fm or which top level domain are the ends?

Yeah, dot link, who act as the escalation point for all ambiguous or complex cases identified by the core annotator workforce. So this is like level two, and then you have project managers. This includes individuals who connect engineering and product teams to the workforce, establishing and maintaining training materials and organize feedback on data

yeah, yeah, dog, cat,

yeah, exactly, yeah. Like, what was that? Uh, what was the thing that? Uh, Paul E toy. That's

exactly what it was. Yeah, he was, he was training, stock works. Was training. Uh. AI image recognition. So the dog, dog car for cameras, like ring cameras, yeah,

except every, like, maybe every 200 uh, swipes, you get a mate, you get a, I'm not sure, maybe, and you tap that you know, you swipe up, or something that you know this, this feels like exactly what what this is, but that that's that makes sense, because I bet you, the hit rate on this thing is just all over the map. They're probably taking stuff down all the time. That is just like, not that's just false positives, false false hits, because it's all there's so much automation. Here Did you

see Satya Nadella of Microsoft with his his presentation of their AI stuff? No, oh, man, this was my favorite. My favorite quote from the entire presentation. We're

using AI to build AI to build better AI. There

you go. There you go. And so, not to be outdone by Google's notebook, LM, podcast, oh, we can do that now with with Microsoft, you can do you can create podcasts. It's really fantastic. Notebook. Lm, come on. We're Microsoft, and they, and they literally created the Clippy of AI generated podcast. Listen to this. Welcome

back. Listeners. This is Dan, and today we're diving into a topic that's especially relevant for those of you with busy schedules, embracing AI in content consumption,

content this is so unnatural. This we'll be discussing how AI tools

are helping us consume diverse content more efficiently, and how they're making a big difference in our personal and professional growth. Anna, have you ever found yourself struggling to keep up with all the content you want to consume because of your busy schedule? Absolutely. Dan, finding the time to consume all the content

Absolutely. Dan, yes,

it gets better content we're interested in can be a real struggle, especially when juggling a busy schedule. That's why I'm so excited about the ways.

Doesn't she sound excited? I'm so excited. That's

why I'm so excited about the ways AI is helping us adapt content to our needs. For instance, AI tools like text to podcast converters are game changers. They're

game changers. Oh, god,

it's definitely changing the game.

It is changing the game.

They allow us to transform articles and other text into audio formats we can listen to while multitasking, like during a commute or while doing chores.

I mean, don't I want to shoot myself after listening to 30 seconds of this podcast? This horrible what

I hate it. I hate this new thing of trying to make uh, ai ai personalities sound like they're they're real people. Yes, it's not just stop, stop, stop, like, yeah, I was thinking this morning. It's like, No, you weren't. You're not real.

Oh, man,

this is acting. This is automated acting. Is what? This is

this? Uh, yeah, I'm all for it.

I'm reading this book called, listen liberal.

Oh boy.

It's written by this guy named Thomas Frank. He wrote he's pretty

famous. Sounds familiar? Thomas Frank,

yeah, he's, he's written a few very, you know, kind of bestseller books. He's, he's, he's sort of a, he's very traditional left, you know, left wing political science, common, I guess you call him a commentator. I think he's like a, maybe a history professor somewhere. I don't remember exactly, but really famous book called, What's the Matter with Kansas? Okay, and, and then I think this was his follow up

These called Identity Politics. No, yeah, it becomes

more about identity then, then about because you're already so close. You know you're, you're, you're no longer really, are you? I

go back to this. You're doing the weave. You're doing the weave.

I go back to and for some reason, during during the pandemic, I I got on. I think I Okay. I watched that Oliver Stone series about American history, yeah, which I thought was very good. And I ended up watching the entire Bush Gore debate from, like, from 2000 Wow, in I think Jim Lehrer was the

JIM LEHRER, yeah, from the McNeil Lehrer report, sure. I

think he was the moderator. And what I took away from that, from that debate, was they almost were the same person. Every they were. They spent so much time saying, Well, you know, I agree with with my phone, with my and I would do so and so. And then Al Gore say, Well, you know, I agree with that, but you know, I would tweak it in this way. They

the weave. He's bringing it back. He's bringing it back. He's coming into home plate, everybody.

This is why, I think that story that that articles like this in the public about what Spotify is doing with their content annotations. I think this is why they use the term experts so much. Oh, okay, everybody wants. Because what you have to do is you have to sell it, not based on the the the quality of the product like, but

based the power these, the the pedigree of the people doing it. Yes, yeah, I got you. Yeah,

yes, because the difference between an ML model and a thou in 1000 Indians might be 2% so what you have to do is you have to just, you have to establish that, no, no, no, these are domain experts, yeah, but these are the smartest people in

the room. We're domain experts. To write that down. That was a long

that was a long winded way of saying just that book's been on my mind a lot, and so I saw this. I saw the similarity. Well, I,

as you know, I've changed my tune. I'm all for it. I want all the social media to be flooded with the AI images. Am AI text generation AI videos as much as possible. Make it unattractive and unusable, and it will, the problem will solve itself. And they're and they're handing out all of these. What is that?

That sounds big? That's a million

Satoshis. Whoa from anonymous.

How did Ooh and who's anonymous?

Well, anonymous says, Well, I have an idea today. True fans added an AI filter in your user setting. So if host equals AI, we will disable the play button. If you have chosen that in your user settings.

True fan. So obviously, that was James that sent that.

Why would James send 1000 SATs? A million SATs? I'm sorry, a million. Kidding. It can't be any British guy by any stretch of the imagination. A million Satoshis. Wow. Thank you, Sam. Thank you. Thank you anonymous. Oh, that's, I've

got that on my notes to talk about, actually, no, because they true. Fans also no longer needs an account. You don't have to have an account just to

Oh, you can just use it. Pop in and use it. Oh, that's cool. That's cool, although you don't get all the benefits of of having an account. I would presume, no, but you can still use it. Yeah, you know, I was trying to add a live radio stream to Sonos. These guys have ruined everything. They upgraded their app and whatever. Maybe six,

or can you? But you can just, you, can you, like, pipe a podcast app into it, right? Can't you do like, Apple play or something, I mean, or, I'm sorry, uh, Bluetooth or something,

you know that even that I think has become complicated. I just really, yeah, I just want to be able to use the app and save this to my favorites, and so I can play it at home. And it's like, Ah, so

you're using the Sonos app to do, yeah, yeah. What is this? I've never had Sonos. I've heard it's super I mean, like for, for what it costs it it ought to be, because I've heard it's not cheap. Oh no, the hardware and stuff.

Oh and they and they totally. Oh, interesting. No. Song is a Sonos controller for Linux platforms, so you can do stuff with it. Interesting. They, they kind of break, they basically downgraded all the old hardware, which I'd had for eight years, and it just started not working right. And then they said, Well, you know, you really need to. And then the Oh, yeah, if Oh, you want to use Sonos, you have to, you know, here's the new app. But you can use this deprecated app for your old

I thought, I thought once before about trying to get into that ecosystem, but I've resisted, because it's so many people have complained

about, oh no, it's horrible. It's horrible. I mean, I was in it, and then, you know, Tina really wanted it, and said, okay, so she said we upgraded when we moved to the house, like, okay, just simple, and it was much easier to set up because it has, it creates its own network, and it's a pretty simple system. But if you're not in the in the in the ecosystem of the apps and the approved apps and all the stuff that they want, yo search for a radio station, but have one that's not

I've got some notes about that. I don't buy by personal policy. I don't I just try never to get involved in those threads. I just, I just want to hear them. I just want to see them play themselves out. Yeah,

no, and you're good at that. I think I replied once

because, I mean, because adding to it doesn't really help, you know, and so in but I do have some thoughts. I mean, do you have any thoughts you want

to Oh, no, the only, the only thought, I mean, the part that I was concerned with, got resolved pretty quickly, because everybody said, no, no, this is not value for value. And, okay, so what, you know? And then there's always, and I'm used to the Oh, so it's busking, so it's tips, okay, I'm used to all that. And then I saw plenty of people jump in and say, no, no, you got this wrong. And and, as you know, sending links. But I mean, I actually went to the GitHub, to the GitHub, and said,

did you hear Jane James and Sam's discussion last week on on power?

Yeah. Power podcast, weekly pod, news, weekly review. Yes, I did. I did.

I thought that was a good discussion. It because it sort of, you know this podcast, discussions on podcasts are so much better than discussions on message boards. Oh, no, kidding. You can get some. You can get into the nuance faster, and you can understand that. It's just so it's a better experience. So I took a lot of value away from listening to them hash some things out back and forth, you know. And Sam was saying, you know, he's like, I think Sam's coming at it from the standpoint

is exactly what Patreon went through, right with unlocking, with unlocking content, yeah,

so it's considered a donation, just, you're just sending this, you're sending the podcaster money. You're not giving them money to get content in return, right? So that kind of skirts around this problem. But if it's an actual digital purchase of an audio book, right, then you run out of trouble. You can't do it. You just simply cannot do it without going through the without going through the platforms, payment system.

I don't think James and Sam actually discussed that part of it, did they?

No, they didn't. And see, that's, but that's, that's the that's the issue here, this, this is a political problem, not a technological problem, amen. I mean, I mean Paula and political in quote, you know, quotes like this is not a problem. No, it's not, but is a policy problem. Spotify has gotten special treatment from App Store policies

because of anti competitive stuff with the music business apps.

Exactly, yeah, in order to get around this issue, as has as have other large players, Netflix and others have gotten carve outs in order to allow their product to exist into and to basically violate the rules which everybody else is forced to comply

with. Take us one step further about how crazy this is. So how many times have we had someone who submitted an app that wants to access podcast index get rejected with a with a standard form that says, no, no, you have to show that you have permission from all of these people in order to access their content and make it playable in your app. Yeah,

that's happened multiple times,

and you know. So we have a form letter, a template, and we send it on their behalf and say, no, no. Hey, look, this is the terms of service. Here's how everything is submitted to the index, and then the app gets approved. So I heard yesterday from one of our no agenda producers. He made an RSS feed reader rejected under the very same grounds,

What? What? What service where they was he using that they were complaining about? Well,

they say that if you're going to ingest content from other places, you need to show that you have approval from those other places. So he hasn't yet, yeah, oh, yeah. So he has a, you know, like a, like a starter pack, or a hot list or something. It comes with the number of feeds already pre installed. No, can't do that. Can't do that. So, so they're literally creating hurdles for RSS to flow freely through apps that are distributed through the app stores. It's disgusting.

And see, this is the the okay V for V is an is an ideology of, pay of, it's a

cult of how he's a cult. Yes, V for V is a cult. Yeah,

lots of candles, horns, the it's, it's an ideology about the way that you know. Get supported by your by your listeners, but it's also the way podcasting works, because of self defense from these dominant platforms. You you can't sell content, digital content through through apps. That's right with without giving Apple 30% of of the of the the the revenue, and when you have people like that's and that's even if you're using the in app payment solution through their

sure true fans already does it

True. True fans uses the web, the web version of Apple, pay, right? And, and that works, but see, somehow this would have to and so that's the way bus sprouts thing works. So like, what bus sprout does is they put it, they put a link to a sub to a sort of donation subscription page in the funding tag, you tap the funding tag, it opens up and you can choose there to donate to the show or do a monthly recurring subscription, either through like Apple Pay or credit card or

I guess. I guess the at this health thread, there are two things. One is I just don't understand why we think we are or even can compete with Spotify or Apple. I've never felt that was the point. It's like, okay, then why don't you people just use Spotify? You know, you whether you use Spotify or build a new Spotify, you're gonna run into all the same issues, all the same issues. Spotify is already fixed in the best way they can fix it as a corporate entity. So I don't understand.

agree with James. I think I he said, The thing I'm most keen to do is ensure that podcast apps get to benefit. Basically, they get a piece of the action. I agree. I feel the same way. That's if, if we can make, you know, I want to keep, I want to keep up or be, or always be ahead of the of like Spotify and Apple and these. I want to be ahead of them technologically in the capabilities that that RSS can provide. And also want it to be in a way where so if, if

was very interesting. Stephen Bell had what he called a thought experiment as a part of this thread. Did you see that?

I think I did what he said. I

don't want to misquote him. Hold on a second. Let me grab it here, because it was, it was, I liked it a lot. Let me see, I might have to paraphrase it, but he said, Wow, I wish I could find this. What he basically said is as a thought experiment, as you know, as you're trying to make money, and everyone's trying to make well, what does podcast index do? Do they just decide, oh, well, you know, well, we're going to charge you for some access in certain cases. You

this, this ends up this. This is kind of leads this. This is attached. Yeah, I agree, James. I'm not a fan of purchasing podcasts, either, but I don't, I'm not gonna, you know, shame other people for doing it. That's fine I pay for, there's a couple of podcasts I pay for because they're behind pay walls, and I just, I want to listen, so I pay for them monthly that and then I'm not, like, bitter about it. I gladly pay what, what they want. I think they could earn more if

much, yeah, that's pretty much the modus operandi, yes, yeah.

But I remember, I remembered a while back, Leo Laporte had a criticism of of what we were doing here, and he said he's like, you know, Adam. You know Adam's building a podcast into, you know, podcast directory. Who uses podcast directories anymore?

Well, I was just ignorance. He doesn't, didn't really know what we were doing, right?

But that, it kind of was a throwaway statement at the time. But it turns out, who uses podcast directories anymore? The answer is, everybody

does, yeah, in one way, and they may not know it, but they do

try. And this is, this is related to this thing we're building. Try getting your try getting a podcast to show up anywhere if it doesn't exist in in at least one directory, right? It it's almost impossible. Their directories are critical to podcasting. They most all apps tag tap into a directory in some shape, form or fashion, whether it's Apple or or or us, but Spotify is closed, so that's doesn't really count, but

so is apples, for that matter,

we'll see there. And that's, that's the issue. Is it turn it turns out, you know, it turns out that the biggest issue within podcasts. Well, sort of freedom, isn't it? Isn't necessarily censorship, it's just, it's just existence.

It's hard to exist.

It is if you aren't in the directories, you just don't exist, right? So what's what's happening is we know we're trying to push some feeds in. To we're trying to, if we're trying to link out that I've talked about this, I think, couple weeks ago, when we're talking about episodes that FM, I'm trying to link out for some from some newly created feeds to to the podcast apps directly. So I want you know, I want you to be able to, you've done this thing

open, to open this podcast, and you're in the in this app, right?

You just created this thing. It has a feed, and I want you to be able to, within 30 seconds, tap, oh, tap, podcast guru or fountain, or cast a Matic, or pod verse or podcast addict, and just have it there. It's where you can hit subscribe. That's actually pretty tricky. It's not that easy because most of them do not support a direct subscription by

You need an account. Look at comics, your blogger. Yes, he, he wanted to be in he had to have someone else add it to their account, because he doesn't, he wants to be anonymous, and so he doesn't, he didn't want to open an account.

And I guess it's related to our previous this is where we're talking about just second ago, because it podcasting is it has a lot of gates. There's a lot of gatekeeping around, around this supposedly open protocol, and there's a lot of things that keep it from operating in a smooth, well oiled, open protocol fashion. And so these are, these are things that they shouldn't be this way, but they

I don't know if you noticed, but I think Spurlock posted about this, that on iOS 18, you can now choose what browser, what email client, you want to open automatically, but you still can't choose which podcast app you want to open automatically, because that would imagine, if Apple did that, how much that would change?

It would be huge. Oh, man, it would just be giant. Yeah,

it would be enormous. But for some reason, they didn't do it. Gotta wonder. I gotta wonder

part, I think I've said, I've mentioned this before, part of me is sort of glad they haven't done it until now, in a weird way. And that's that seems like a, it's like a hypocritical from based on what I just said. But I think there would have been a lot of people who set their default to be Spotify, maybe, or something, you know, or something else. So I think that was a move on their part to sort of like, hold some of that at bay for a long time when Spotify was on its mega

I mean, what do they care? People are using their devices. That's the whole point. Yeah. Why do they care? Yeah,

Apple podcast is in the net. It's an appendix and anachronism on the entire organization. It doesn't make any money.

It's a dangling appendix. Is what it is. It is no no participle, no disrespect to the team over there. No disrespect at all.

Oh, I'm glad they exist. I'm thankful that they still have jobs. Yeah, so

time to play a little music. I'm very excited about this song for today. Oh, cool. You know, I'm back doing boosted grand ball every 14 days. Jim Costello, phantom power music is is producing with me, which I really love, because it made it possible. And again, I will reiterate, December 16 antones, very famous venue in Austin will be Adam Curry's booster Grand Ball. Live. I feel like Dick Clark. I feel like I'm, you know, like we're coming full. Is that your dog or mine?

You walk in sleep. You tell me, some broken things you can't repay. It'll be Dead. Can they fall down to make it up to The people on air?

Uh, so that's music for a Friday, right there.

That's, do you remember the band extreme? Of course, yeah, that's that sounds like extreme to me, huh?

Well, some people say it sounds like Lenny Kravitz and but you know what? There you go. At least it's not AI,

yes, absolutely

not AI, not AI. Music, I love that. What are you drinking? Show, beard,

this is, this is, this is a polar SEL, sir, Mandarin, oh, polar cell. You know what's good is the polar. Seltzer, orange, vanilla

with natural flavors.

No doubt that's very natural.

Thanks for boosting. Eric PP, Eric PP, boosted in for rebel hero. Very nice. Nice.

Yeah, so Alex is working on, he's working with some people on Monero,

oh, to bring that into value for value. Oh, cool,

yeah, value for value, he said, he said to be to ask that if anybody wants to help him, he's open call. Very nice there, yeah, there's, evidently, serious about it, and gonna get some work done on that.

I am on the beta for fountain. And, you know, so Oscar already launched the music tab in 1.15 I think, which is very cool. And now they have fountain radio, so kind of the way they have, remember, they had that test page on a on a web page, so that that's in the app now. Oh, cool. Yeah, that's very cool. It's a great way to discover music. I love that they're doing that. I think that's really cool.

Uh, Nate, Nathan, Nathan, I'm working with a few of the apps to get some direct, uh, some like, more direct URL launching support, and I'm going to push that stuff to your repo as as that becomes better. Now you're

literally talking to the tro to the boardroom. No one listen to the podcast knows what you're talking about, yeah,

but you should have been here. That's my, oh, I'm

sorry. Okay, all right.

The So, and Nathan said, you know, basically he wants more, because he keeps the sort of master list of how,

yeah, yeah, that's right, how to, how to launch him. Yes, that's correct, right? He

does have that. And so I've been so far, Frank Franco has added direct URL support for customatic links. Oh, cool. So you can do customatic colon, slash, slash the feed URL that's in the test flight version right now.

Well, since we're in the in the board meeting, we're doing this. I have a bug report for for Nathan. So when, so whenever I want to send a link to a lit episode from episodes that FM The title is undefined.

Oh, interesting, yeah. Like, would that happen right now to our show, let me take a look. Let me see, let's go to let me click on the boot on the Toot, toot.

I think so. Let me see podcasting 2.0 podcast. There it is, episodes, live,

yeah. Here it is. Listen, yeah, and

see, look at the title bar. Undefined. See the title bar if you look at the title of the title bar of your tab.

Months is podcasting two point. No, no, I haven't clicked into the episode. Yeah,

click into the episode. Okay, all right. Yeah, it does live bug reports, everybody,

yep, undefined, you're undefined, I'm

undefined. I've been, I've been trying to remind myself to report that bug, and now I did it.

That's a great that'd be a great t shirt.

I'm undefined. No, it's just undefined,

undefined, yeah, okay, so and the other one that we've that's that I have discovered, and I don't think that this is on the repo for Nathan. Stuff is that you can launch Alex from podcast Guru said, if you you can launch podcast guru using a deep link URL. So this would be, let me go here. Let me go over here and make sure I'm given the right URL format. Hang on one second radio development. Okay, so if you go to versus feed, if you do ape,

have another bug report with episodes that FM, no, no, no. When, when launching a deep URL to open on fountain on Android, the app crashes,

okay, yeah. Oscar is also putting in a straight link. I talked to him about it, too. He. I

want a queer link. If you don't mind, I'm not.

You would. Where's numb? Everything's crashing over here on me. I'm, I'm just in such a

world of hurt. What are you doing? Mine? What are you doing? Apple notes

crashed now. What now when? Apple I

love it. Tina will share me also. I'll send this to you on email, and I get an apple notes, and then you click on it and says you have to log in. Like, no,

I don't think so. No, you're being the appleness is being too helpful. This is the stupidest thing. Oh, here it is. All right. So the URL is app, dot. Podcast guru.io/podcast/capital, x and then the full Feed URL, hex encoded. So just do a straight Oh, okay, Hex encoding of the characters and append that after the capital X, and that that will have confirmed it worse, that will open podcast guru to that exact feed.

It's amazing. All Apple has to do is just let you set a default app and all these problems would be solved for 80% it's amazing. It's amazing because Android does it already. Don't they do podcasts, colon, slash, slash, I think so.

We need an Android person to to let us know that I ordered an Android phone for development. What did you order? Ordered? Actually ordered two, ordered that small device that you have, the cat, the

cat s 22 was my driver, man, my daily driver. You're gonna love it. You're gonna want nothing else but this phone, the cat, yeah, it's fantastic.

And then I ordered, uh, cow. What was that other thing? I ordered galaxies, like a larger, a larger screen phone. It wasn't, it was a larger screen phone, just because I needed, I wanted both to test with, see what the different, you know, covers, sort of all that thing. But I've been meaning to do that forever, because there's this whole world, like podcast addict. I don't even know what it looks like. Never used it before.

It has ads, yeah, if you, if you're not a if you don't pay for it, it has ads, little banners, kind of old school that way. It's like, oh, look at those little, cute banners.

Oh, here it is. It's the Motorola. Oh, goodness, oh, goodness, Motorola Moto. And

we need a pod. LP, we need a Chios. I can't find my kyos. I had a kyos flip phone, but I can't find it anymore. Is the

Motorola Moto, g5, g20, 23 Yeah, Android 13. I hope that's good enough. Anyway, I'm

feeling a lot of developer pain, brother, I'm feeling your developer pain. I'm feeling Marco's developer pain. Oh, my God, he's going through so much. Developer, pain.

Marco Armin, oh, yeah, really? Oh,

come on. Oh, when? I mean, he did a complete relaunch. You know, you know what happens? Like, stuff doesn't work. Stuff breaks. Stuff works differently. People are mad. People are upset. They're yelling. I mean, I'm getting people like, boosted and go through, ah, this new fountain that might be the Lightning Network. Okay, you know, it's the pain, the pain of refactoring, of upgrades, as it's so people have no idea. These developers just make it

having, having now done some, some serious UI work, which I haven't done in a, you know, a few years, like, like, real UI work where I'm actually trying to make it look good, not just I'm

withholding comment is

it is so tedious. Yeah, I know, so tedious, even with the modern tools, which are great. I mean, like, tailwind is great. The modern CSS standards are wonderful. Like, grid, the grid system and the Flex System are amazing. Like, all this stuff is wonderful, but it's still just so tedious. You make one change and then you like the other day, I found that for some reason, flex, flex, justify start, is the default on every browser, except,

except edge. Oh, goodness, of course, of course. Edge would do something different,

yeah. And so then you have to, then, you know, I have to go back, and I'm like, why is it doing this? Why is it, why is it centering this content instead of putting it left justified? And you. Works everywhere. Why is this working? And then I go, and it's because it was working everywhere else. I just assumed it was worried, but I had to go and explicitly define justified and left. It's just wow, tedious. So tedious. Yeah, Everything's ruined. To feel the pain. Everything's

ruined. Just Everything's ruined. Oh, hold on a second. Yes, I will, Alex, I will put your contact details in the show notes, you bet. So people want to work on Monero with them. Okay, in touch with them. Absolutely done. Well, let me see, should we thank some people? Because I have to still get you out of time. We got the summer hours here. Let me go through some of the boosters that have come in. Oy

cross promotion, yes. And then

we have that 1 million SATs from anonymous, although I'm seeing weirdly in the This is very strange in the in my helipad, it says 1% split. No, that, no, that's right, that'd be one, yeah. So that must Wow. And you know what, Daniel J Lewis was still in the splits. Oh, Daniel got a bonus today

in the in the in in an out on the Al Gore scale hills, 273 Hiroshi mclas,

beautiful salted crayon with a short row of ducks. 2222 howdy boardroom. We had a fun discussion the V for V jockeys channel that's on telegram before the show with shares versus percentages. Oh, we're back to that. For fun, I looked up my feet and sovereign fees. I had a total of 9,200% splits for five splits, whole lot. Stephen B was breaking it down for us, but if you all could take a crack at it, would love to hear it go podcasting. I don't understand. I don't know

to break to hear somebody go over how it's calculated.

Yeah, so why do we're not gonna do that today, next week, next week. But how do you get 9200 percentages? I have to go look at that. Yes. Crayon, of course, no. Eric PP, 777, and we got a 7777 from cotton gin. It br milkshake boost from salty crayon. 333, another, anonymous with 777, and we've hit the delimiter.

We got, um, speaking of Buzz Brow from earlier, with the subscription, uh, talk, they gave us

$1,000

keeping it alive, brothers, thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. That's appreciated. We are value for value. After all, that's how everything keeps running, and they care and they show it.

Tim at technology one Inc, $100

Wow. Tim, thank you. That's great. That's a new he's a new donor. Is he not?

He is? Yeah, he's a one time dinner. Let me defrag it exactly. Thank you. He says, Thank you for this service. You're welcome to Oh, let's see we got some boosts. Where's our boots? At you? Flip over to boosts. Oh, wait, wait, wait, oh, I flipped over to boost, and I just boost when, when I flipped over, I just happened to see from 55 minutes ago, donation from rss.com [email protected] 1100 OH. 11

Blaze only Impala, a row of satchel of Richards.

He says, Hey Adam and Dave, a row of sticks and bricks to add to the frame of the podcast index and in honor and celebration of Aaron Schwartz's birthday on November the

eighth. Oh, that's right. Oh, thanks, brother. That's so cool. That's

a good one. Keep up the great work from your [email protected] go podcasting.

Yes, you got podcasting? Wow, nice.

Yes. Thank you guys. Appreciate this. So much support today. This is lovely. Love this, yeah. Thank you so much.

Let's see that's about 16. Well, what is it? 1.6 million sets?

What 1111? 16 million? No,

no, no, no, no, it's 1.6

1.6 okay, I've totally screwed up my inbox. Oh, I've got a sword by size. That's what did I do that?

Oh, bad idea. Never know, because we always wind up at the bottom. That's

right, speak for yourself. Oh, we got music, Mama. That's Julie. Julie Costello, 10,000 SAS, Thank you, Julie. Thank you fountain, beautiful she says, need to catch up soon. Just Yes, brunch with the podcast, lawyer about licensing and V for V music distribution chat soon. Went back from California. Yes,

you know she was, she and Jim were in Florida helping clean up for Helene. Such beautiful people. Oh,

they're, they're great people. They really are. Oh, another music mama, 5000 says. She says, yeah. AV, for V music, she gives a not a nostr key, okay, not an in pub. Thanks, AC and DJ for all you do for music,

then we're doing it for love,

anonymous, 100 sets listening on podcasting to Dotto, thank you. That's for the best for the tunes. Steve Webb, hey, the podcaster. Steve Webb, 7777 through fountain. He says, love it. Heard it on podcasting 2.0 episode 197, all right. And the delimiter, comic strip. Blogger 23,000 says this is from last week because he didn't realize we were on hiatus. He says, howdy, Adam and Dave, are you ready to take your podcast from good to great? Dive, dive into podcast tips with Rob

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is there a difference? Hey, that's interesting. But just a boost came in from a second boost came in from Chad F says the 1 million sat boost is fake news. I'll post about it on the mask that I want to get home, huh? Fake News. Fake News.

No, where we were. We scammed

what was sent through curio caster. So I don't know if you, I don't know. Well,

I mean, you can always fake a TLV record. There's no, there's no confirmation to that. Did it say that you can fake all? I mean, you can fake the TLVs. It's like, it's like an email. You can, like, you can put anything in the from address.

Oh, hold on a second. No. I mean, let me, this is interesting. Let me see. I mean, I'm seeing, I mean, it tripped all the tripped, all the bits. Oh, 35 minutes ago. I can, I can load the TLV

on your helipad, yeah,

no, I see the total value, M sat total, yeah, but

that's in the TLV, right, yeah. You can fake the to, did your balance go up by a million cents?

Well, no, because I only get 1% on the on my note, the rest goes to podcast index.

Did it get did it go up by by 1% of a million cents?

I don't know. I wasn't paying attention. I don't look at that stuff. Hmm, interesting. All right, well, we'll find out. But the value m, SAT, 123120, hold on, a second. No, yeah, so I so I would have received 10,000 SATs, 1% I'll have to say, oh, I can download the TLV. Wow, this helipad thing, man, that's outrageous. Cool. That was just cool.

Whoever built that deserves it, I know,

yeah. And I mean, Eric PP, but whoever's maintaining it deserves a pat on the

back. But yes, thank you.

Let me see. Oh, so they're already showing this in the chat. F is showing it? I don't know.

In the boardroom, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We either got we either got scammed

or doesn't I'm happy. I'm happy no matter what. I'm happy either way. And fun, yeah, exactly. We had a good time. All right, everybody, that is the the board meeting for today. Dave back. You're coming up on another busy season, I guess. Oh, what is it? No, December. It's not. This is okay right now this month, or you still have right

now to say, Yeah, December. December is the busiest time for me. But right now we're in a, we're in a cool we're in cool down here, cool down

period. Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you're back, brother, it was good to have another board meeting. I missed it last week. I felt very strange.

I was in the middle of nowhere. There's a, we're in the sipsy wilderness, which is up in north Alabama. It's a designated wilderness area.

So there's, there's, oh, no, a designated Wilderness Area, hmm,

yeah. It's like, it's, there's no, there's no, like Rangers, there's nothing. I mean, it is your own. Melissa

could have killed you, and no one would have known.

Thanks for putting that in my head for next time.

Hey brother, have yourself a great weekend. All right, everybody. We'll be back next Friday, right here in the boardroom of podcasting 2.0

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