Episode 196: Red Neck Airforce

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for October 4, 2024 episode 196, redneck Air Force. Hey everybody, it's time to get your weekend started. You know what we do? We have a meeting, but not just any old meeting. It is the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 where we discussed everything that's happened in the past week, in the past 20 years, and for the future 20 years, we are, in fact, the only boardroom that never discusses our KPIs and

the reason this podcast does not have video is because of what is, because of what just happened the you're doing the intro, and I'm just shoving popcorn in my mouth as fast as I can, because I eat lunch. Yeah,

you're actually on your lunch hour. You You break, and you don't even take a break. You're breaking from the day job, and you're just going straight into the board meeting. While you're eating, there will be popcorn in the boardroom, yes, at all times. And beef milkshakes, you have a beef milk?

Oh yeah, oh yeah, you got it right here. Do

you have a good beef now? You're not, not that crap you were drinking last week, because that was a chocolate. That was a problem. Was a problem.

Back to God's flavor. Jonathan feels

kind of bad doing a fun, energetic show today. Why? You know, for the past seven boom, thank you. For the past 72 hours, I have been tuned into the ham bands. I'm buying jet fuel and 100 ll at every airport I can find. I mean, what is happening in western North Carolina is messed up. Brother

can Okay, um, let me, let me say we were going so me and me and Melissa were going to go to, we've had this trip

Yes, I do, and I think you don't have it by design. I'll give you the abbreviated version, because we have a lot of producers in the area, a lot of no agenda producers. I just become acquainted with this guy, Justin, who has a shoe company, op way Made in America, handmade leather sneakers, high end stuff. And he just reached out to me, you know, a day before the hurricane. It's like, yeah,

Well, do they have a well that can handle that means electric pump? Well,

yeah, he put a generator on. He's he says he was lucky, because he's kind of prepared, but you gotta imagine, like there's no electricity. ATMs don't work. People don't have cash. I mean, it's just but people are cut off from from all civilization up on the mountaintops and so, as is typical in America, we just jump in. And doesn't matter what your background, race, creed, religion, age, political affiliation, none of that matters. We all jump into

then there come there comes a point in any sort of devastation or tra or tragedy of this scale, where, where it nobody wants to admit it, but it very much gets out. You can't, you can't even really respond on that level, like we saw it. The same thing happened with Katrina for for, for weeks. I mean, people, there was just barely any. Nobody even knew where to start. You don't know what to do. You don't know where to

dude, just look at the people that we have in charge. My Yorkers. I mean this. These people are incompetent. They have completely forgotten and forsaken their true mission. They're not capable of it. And media can't cover this simple fact. That's why you're not seeing all that much. They should have helicopters all over, flying everywhere, showing the devastation. But they can, because we're electric cycle. I

saw that there's some city. It's like bat basic bat chick or something. They got 31 inches. Yeah, right, yeah. That's, that's

the numbers I'm hearing too. 31 inches is

you can't, no infrastructure. It doesn't. There is not an infrastructure you can build that will survive, that no,

it won't. It's gone. But you know, in addition to that, the the incompetence of our weather system. You know, they were telling people, oh, it's just some gusts and it's not too bad, and, oh, it'll be big, but it may be 80 miles, you know, 35 miles an hour, 80 mile an hour gusts. They they're running computer models to prove that climate change is real. Man made climate change, and they're incapable of warning people properly. This was a mother of all stars, yeah, a mother of all

Yeah, Bill Me, you know, that's, I mean, that's, that's the way that works is, you know, sim, you know, send me a bill, I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. I mean, it's just the way people dug out of Katrina, ignoring the Feds exactly, and just doing what they knew needed to be done down their own street,

yes, and that's what's happening. And I feel very especially as a helicopter pilot. I'm a little too old now for this. I could have certainly gone, you know, flown copilot with somebody. I feel so helpless. So I just, I know, each time you come back to base, it's three to $500 to fill that bird up. So I'm just like, I'm just calling up airports, and everyone's doing it like, you need gas. All right, just give them your credit card. Boom, buy some gas. That's all I can do, really.

I went to, I went to Asheville. You know, we went to Asheville a couple years ago. We were doing the show. Then I think I talked about it as we went up there for a little bit of a vacation and went to, is it Chimney Rock? Yeah?

Oh, no, Chimney Rock is gone. It's completely gone. Yeah, that

was a cute, it was a such a cute little town, right there, yeah, like

12,000 people or something, or 20, no more than 20,000 very small like Frederick's book. Basically,

it's just, I mean, like, it's just gone. It was a small town on it's a small town on the bank of a basically, some rapids. And those rapids are, you have to walk down quite a bit. They're probably, I would say, at least 12 to No. It's more than that. It's probably 15 feet below the level of where the town is, is where the is, where these rapids are. So if it, I mean, if it rose, no, that was crazy. It's crazy. I mean, then it's, I mean, it's just going to take everything out.

So overflow this banks. So the i. So this is a lesson, a lesson for everybody. Your government is not coming to help. They're weak, they're wimpy, they're woke. They are pencil pushers. It's, you know, it's, this is the same complaints I hear from our military personnel. Who are these guys? What are they doing? They don't they have no idea what they're doing anymore. It's just we've we've put an administrative state in place that is incapable. The only

This has happened in my lifetime. This change from when a disaster happens, you the community recovers. As as switch to when a disaster happens, everybody looks to the government, waits for the government. Yes, exactly. It's it started. You know, I think it started. It started under the George Bush, senior, yeah, remember brownie? Good job, Brownie. And then, and then it turned and then it really accelerated under the first Bush with Katrina and all that kind

That was, that was horrible people getting ready. The whole thing was out

of control. Oh, it was like hell on earth. And then, you know, and I remember, I still remember, to this day, for it didn't even start up for, I think, a couple of weeks, all of a sudden there was just Trent. You'd get stopped by a train, and it would just be hundreds of these FEMA white cars going by. Yeah, you remember those trailers? Oh yeah,

the one was formaldehyde. Then went on to poison everybody, uh

huh. And then New Orleans was never, has never been the same since. And I guarantee you, the same thing is going to happen with this. People are going to there's a certain amount of devastation where people just have to leave in order to survive. They have to go somewhere else. And a percentage of them, sometimes a large percentage of them, will just never come

back. And what's sad to me is people have such distrust in their government that that with their where their brain goes is, this was a setup. This was harp the weather modification they wanted, the land, eminent domain. No, it's much simpler. They're incapable. They are not capable of doing this, and

was that never, never a tribute to malice. What's explained by incompetence? Oh,

beautiful, beautiful. That's, I forgot that one Absolutely. So we just been buying gas and praying, man, that's all we can do. That's all we can do down here and communicating. You know, lots of people got my number, so let me know whatever I can do if doesn't matter how small it is, the hams have been actually quite amazing, as disappointed as I was when we had the snow Apocalypse here in in Texas four or five years ago. I mean, they've had emergency nets that

do you remember also in the last, also in the lifetime of this, of this, of this boardroom, it was Ed guy from radio, Inc, I can't remember his last name, Ed Ryan. Oh yeah, sure, sure, sure. Ed Ryan, when Tampa Bay

got, oh, yes, he, he was doing all kinds of stuff. Yeah,

him and his wife, they, they got on a live stream. They were doing a live stream every single day saying, you know, and they would take, they were taking call ins. People would call in, yeah, hey, I live on. I live at 22 Appalachia drive, or whatever, you know, my I need. Some gas. And, okay, somebody get this guy a couple gallons of gas. And it was just like that for, for like, maybe three weeks. Oh,

and it was and, but already the news move right on to breaking new allegations against Trump. Like, whoa. This is so, so so wrong. And there's

no, I mean, there's, I just, I just looked at, like, New York Times. There's no, not a single mention of it. No, anywhere, anywhere on the first page,

because it's political season and everyone's pointing fingers at each other. Oh, it's that guy's fault. Oh, it's lieutenant governor. Oh, okay, well, whatever. So go. Redneck Air Force. Is what I say. Redneck Air Force, that's what I'm calling them, the Raymond Air Force. Yes. All right. Happier news after last week's board meeting, I was at the podcasters virtual Summit, Bitcoin for podcasters. Host, yes, I need a report, yes, hosted by DJ Valerie. Be Love.

So, we've not, we've not had a clip. I mean, are you saying that we did that? We've misunderstood what this is.

No, no, no, no. Haven't misunderstood at all. But now it's, it's okay. So they've released this for your own benefit. You can run on your own server, and you know what it does is it, in essence, transforms your lightning node into kind of, I would just call it a like an umbrell for for lightning apps. So there's this whole store, and then you can connect any lightning app to your node with ease. So linking my Get out, my get Albie address, so I still had a legacy

your Alby, well, in your in your album, yeah, my Yeah, that's a lie, yeah. Well,

I use it, you know, I dump stuff. Dump stuff in there. I take a split on some of my shows to put to keep the keep the flow going, just a little bit, to keep filling it up. But I usually deplete it because I'm I like to boost, I like to boost my balls. And yes, you do and and so you click, it connects, and then right away, I could send that balance over with one click of the button. They have their own wallet called albigo, which is just a very, very simple lightning wallet. Boom,

So that's the thing, or that's the thing that we that's the thing that Albie wanted us to do for podcast apps. Yeah, no

way. There's no way we can do that now we're going to go to jail. So no, we can't do that, right? And I get it, but no, we can't do that. But I am doing it for, I'm doing it for, for Jimmy, I'm doing for a couple other people who want to move off of, you know, have over a million SATs in there. Get Alby accounts, and they're getting messages like, hey, hey, hey, you gotta, you gotta move stuff out and, and so I'm gonna

and that, and that was,

that was yesterday, okay? And, you know, our, yeah, these, like these, like milestone numbers, you know, 1700 it'll be 17 years of that show on october 26 that's huge. Man, congratulations. Almost as long as my first marriage, so John will be my longest wife ever.

Congratulations. Man, that's a huge deal. And just, I mean, the staying power. I mean just, just this show is to, let's see this show was, has only been a little over four years, four years just seeing, like, just four years seeing the the real commitment of time it takes to prep and show up and do the show every I mean, like, it's 17 years. Or, excuse me, I mean, 1700 shows is amazing. So

I just want to remind people of the secrets, because there are some very basic rules. If you want to have a successful value for value podcast, you always have to have your feedback loop when you know however you do it, when people are sending in money or, well, we don't have boost yet coming, but we have PayPal and Stripe and and, you know, so we have a

I would, I don't think you know, we did the first maybe, what, 50 episodes of this show, not live.

I usually, I thought we did live right away. We didn't do it live right away. No, it may

not have been 50. It was it was early, but we did. Maybe we did a few months without, without the live. It may have been like, 30 episodes, 25 something like that. But

once we got the chat tag in, there's probably like, hey, there's a chat tag. Let's do it live, right?

Yes, we were waiting for something like that, and we did it and like, I don't even think if we had to go back to doing it, not, I don't even think I'd want to do the show. No, it's

not as fun. It's not it's not exactly so there's, there's that aspect which and we never edit anything. I mean, yeah, if there's a huge technical issue. I'll take out the junk if necessary. But in general, we don't edit in fact, the biggest joke is, don't worry, I'll edit that out. No one will ever know the difference. I did that to Tina the other day on curry and the keeper, and then she came to me next day, Hey, you forgot to edit that out. I'm like, How

Don't tell me. I never want to hear that people that this something is, quote, too much friction. If, if somebody's if 40% of your donations are people that have sit, sat down with a with a a pen and a check and then mailed it to you. Yep, that is some serious that's about as the most friction as you can possibly get.

Yeah, no, they love doing it. They love it. What was the other thing I was going to say? Oh, of course, value for value is time, talent and treasure we have. From the beginning always said, Hey, you can't support us with money. You can promote us be online if you know, we've never built our own website, coded monkey did the most recent one for us. Tim, which is noagendashow.net. We have the no agenda meetups, all. Producer organized. Everyone organizes that themselves. We

No, it is, isn't it? Oh,

by a long shot, MTV was half of the Mt. No. MTV was seven years, seven and a half years. So, oh yeah, it's interesting. It's been the longest media gig I've ever had, and, you know, I'm gonna die spitting in the mic one way or the other.

I mean, of course you will. That's who you are. So,

so when I you know, so I always approach the podcast industry in a very different way, because I can also look at my stats and the majority of people we have. A lot of people using pod verse, a lot of people using podcast guru, a lot of people using fountain, like big numbers, like 30, 40% like big numbers, because I tell them this is you want to get notified within 90 seconds, use one of these apps. You know, you want

I think, I think you're, I mean, the you have standing to say that, because you did TV for a long time. You didn't, you did video for many years, yeah, so you, I mean, it's not like, and you did, you know, you also did video podcasts, people, you know, sure, I don't think people, maybe people don't remember, like, the big book show and the big App Show, big book show, yeah, those were video shows.

which is why I never made any money very early. Yeah,

it's always been your problem. Always too

early. Now I can see interview shows. It's interesting to see the interview subject. I mean, I get all that. So when I was listening to power the partners weekly review, and they had the interview with the Spotify lady, and, you know, and she goes right into, well, a podcast can be whatever people call it, not dependent upon RSS. By the way, it's RSS. There's no such thing as open RSS, just Rs. Us, and to me, I remember we started podcasting, and I don't know if I still have that, if I

don't know if you pulled any clip of that. I didn't

know. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't pull it. I have the, what are we drinking?

This is the last of the Lacroix here.

Oh, I have, I have a Lacroix. I forgot what I have in it. Though I have, actually the James was kind enough to post. So what is a podcast? Maybe we should just play that bit here. I love

this question. This is something that I've thought about a lot over the years, as I think, you know, I was the first employee at anchor back in the day, way too many years ago, I stayed with Yes.

So this, I guess it's just the political season that we're in, but this is the, I forgot what the original question was.

So, what is a podcast?

What is a podcast? Yes, so this is the I was born in a middle class family.

Podcast. Look,

I was born in a middle class family. I

love this question. This is something that I've thought about a lot over the years, as I think, you know, I was the first employee at anchor back in the day, way too many years ago, I stayed with the company through our sale to Spotify, and now I lead product for Spotify podcast team. So I've been through a lot of evolutions of podcasts over the

So I agree that connection is a big part of it storytelling, I mean the content. We often in the industry, we no longer talk about the content just by growing your show discovery. No, if it sucks, it sucks. If it's small, it's small. If it's meant for a small audience, it's gonna be a small audience. That's it's not the thinking is still so old world, like we gotta grow. It gotta be big. Gotta be the biggest. No, no, we, right now, have 46 people in the troll

I've got, you know us a. Heard the, heard these. I heard this, this, you know, quote, unquote interview, which kind of wasn't really that

was an email interview, and she recorded some of the answers, which was, which was nice, like, you can't make time just have little chat. I mean, they have the Spotify PR right there to make sure your answers were right. Or, what was that that was? That

one thing, one thing I was unclear about is what it sounded like they reached out and said, Hey, we're now, we're now going to do some email interviews. Would you like to ask us some questions? Oh, I

don't know. I don't know exactly how that went,

but I may have misunderstood that. Maybe James can clarify. Maybe he asked for it. But it's that struck I think that that struck me as odd. But anyway, and I was sitting back and thinking about this, this whole thing, and they it's pretty obvious why. It's pretty well obvious from the beginning why people want to define podcasting as something other

like YouTube and Tiktok and reels and Instagram. Yeah.

What Granger said was, if they is, if they define a podcast as as being also a YouTube video or, you know, etc, then the advertising agencies don't have to go back and ask for they don't have to walk across the hall and ask for money from that other group, so that, I mean, that's clearly the the issue there. But I just don't think, you know, but I think it's bigger than that. I don't think advertise, advertising is not a big, huge, is not a huge moneymaker for

of revenue generator, yeah, yeah. Well, the only way, perhaps, with video support, you know, well, the only thing that they can really do now is you upload to us, and we jam ads in there, and we give you a, you know, like YouTube, we give you a tiny, tiny bit, right? That's the only, that's the model that clearly let me just play this, this. This is the last one I'll do, because you can listen, you can read it, links in the show notes. James played a lot of it on podcast,

So obviously, one of the main benefits of podcasting has always been that creators can really easily distribute their content to multiple platforms, and consumers have the choice of where and how they want to listen to it. Yes, and I think the benefits of wide distribution for creators in particular are more apparent than ever. You've seen this reflected in Spotify strategy with shows like Joe Rogan and science, versus going back to being available everywhere.

So okay, so thank you for admitting that it was not a good idea to have Joe Rogan exclusive to Spotify and because he couldn't make it pay. Obviously, I have no idea what the actual deal is worth. Up to is meaningless to me. So why then are you making your the video exclusive to Spotify, and it can't go to anywhere you want to play it. This is the contradiction.

So we understand that RSS plays an important role in giving creators more control over their content, and we definitely plan to continue supporting both on and off platform distribution for shows that are hosted with Spotify, as well as allowing podcasters to keep distributing their content to Spotify from other hosts over RSS. Nothing is changing there, yeah, except for video that said, do have more tools and functionality on Spotify that goes beyond what RSS supports,

don't believe that she's, she's, it's a lie.

My take on this is a little different. I mean, we have to look at this in context. Look at the look at what Spotify podcasting division was four years ago, and look at what it is today. It's completely different. It's tiny compared to what it was. This is a company that was putting billions of dollars into podcasting. Now we don't even, we don't even know what those numbers are there. It's is insignificant to their

have, like, only music videos? Why is it just music tracks? They should be doing music videos. Everyone loves music video. Everyone loves music videos. Everyone wants

music videos, don't they? I think, I think they are trying to broaden away from being slaves to the music publishing company. Yes, of course. And they need to flip the script to get a measure of control over that. So like I'm I'm gonna compliment Spotify here and say that I think that this is a company that's good at seeing what the next hype cycle is and taking advantage of it. That doesn't mean necessarily

yeah, which is every three months for the next reporting period. Yeah,

what does that say about what the next cycle is? I mean, look at what they're doing. They've they've just dabbled in AI. They've not really done a lot of serious stuff with AI, which tells me that AI is dead cat. You know, that's not a big priority for them. I think they saw that. That was a waste. They don't call them video podcasts. They call it video Yeah, I don't think that they are, I don't think ultimately they're really interested in podcasters.

I can tell you whether, sorry, go ahead, does. I

don't think they're interested in podcasters. I think what they what they see, is the death of television, and they're trying to position themselves for what that that for what that looks like, the post streaming world of video. I bet you they, I bet you, within a year or two, maybe they'll make, they'll start to make plays for some video content sports, right? I think here's what I think their ultimate play

to that. Yeah, which they are, they're slaves companies. So

I'm not, I'm not really that interested in their views on RSS, because I think at this point in time, just like Amazon music is if they have a podcast, a podcast division that does some stuff from time to time, but, like, if you but I don't think that's it's really sort of an afterthought to the company at large. I don't really think that it's just not their focus. I mean, like, audiobooks was just a tool that Spotify

I think you're you're spot on, and kudos to Chad F because he nails it. What they should be doing next to make money is they should become Spotify for only fans. You. Should have, yeah, you should be able to do only fans live stream on Spotify. You know, pay for it, password, protected, age verified. They can do all of it. They should do that. They'll make, they'll make billions.

Buy only fans. Yeah, well, I

think only fans out. I even out of their reach at this point. Yeah, it's amazing how the money they make.

I think we also forget how big Spotify is outside of the United States, yeah, outside of the US, like because they what they could become, is they could become the Amazon Prime, prime of everywhere others in the US. Yeah,

good point. Good point. Anyway.

Yeah, yeah, good luck to them. That's a good way to say it, because I don't, I'm just not that interested in what their views on RSS are. Because I don't think they're that interested in what their views on RSS I think they have a few point Yeah, they have a few people left over there who are actually doing this work, and it's just not, I just don't

same guy wrote a follow up to it, which is even better. I haven't sent it to you yet, but yeah. Okay, so open AI, in essence, for every dollar they make, they spend $2.35 currently, currently, currently, currently, so unsustainable, they're already talking about everything in technology has always been to reduce costs, and every improvement in technology is supposed to make the system more cost efficient, you know,

is the opposite. Yeah, these costs are going up. Yeah, we

need thorium reactors, otherwise we can't handle it. You know, it costs $100 million to build a large language model, and that's just the entry point at this at this stage. So, and they're not charging that, just they're not charging the money that it costs. I mean, open, AI is already talking about moving, you know, they're going to increase 10% to $22 a month. Ultimate goal will be $44 a month in, you know, four or five years, I think it'll go much,

That's yeah, if people have not read that article, look good search for the Google the search subprime AI crisis in if you know, in there, it says that less than 1% of Microsoft's paying office 365, customers have subscribed to their copilot service. Yeah? Because it's expensive. It's, it's very expensive, 50 bucks. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's you. You multiply that times a few 1000 seats at your organization, that's, that is major cash.

We got a boots on the ground the other day from a guy who works at Epic, which is the largest medical health record company, and so the all the executives are all jacked and jitty about, oh, we all open now we're going to integrate a eyes can be great. $3,000 a year per seat, 65 cents per a API query. What? What? Oh, just, just 65 cents. Just to summarize reports and then send off a hit to another API that says, okay,

that's, that's a travesty.

It's insane. That's all right, whatever. Meanwhile, back yes,

no, I was just gonna say that to circle that thought back around, is that if hosting, if podcast hosting companies and podcast apps and, you know. They've built some really cool stuff on AI, I guess I would just warn to have a backup plan, yeah, for how, because all of the, all of the material that's coming out of the no matter who you're at, no matter who's API you're calling, you're ultimately probably calling open AI or anthropic. Yeah, you know, you're, you're, you're

could bring down the economy. We're talking about, the whole economy. Economies built on this, the hyperscalers. We got so many data centers coming online now they better be ready to mine Bitcoin with it. I don't know what else. I don't know if you can have all this, all these AI customers, anyway, meanwhile, also,

it's all good. No, no, no, please, no, please, please, please. Now I was just gonna say it's also built on another thing that this article talked about is also all built on intellectual property, theft, all of it. Yes, the reason it is, the thing about a large language model, I've said this before, is that you are all these generative models. Is that the the model, the the what a model is, it's the algorithm and the data combined into one big

blob, yeah, like an interactive database, basically, yes.

And so you're the reason that we the that open AI's most advanced model doesn't know how many letter RS there are in the word strawberry is because nobody's ever asked that question before. Yeah, exactly. So it literally does not know, because that data is not there, and it does re Same reason it doesn't know how many states start, you know, have the letter A in it, because it only knows the words that it's seen before. Even worse, and it said

Wyoming, yeah, right. So the whole

notion of emergent properties and all this is complete BS, it only knows what it's got. The most advanced models still give horrible answers. And so this, this whole thing is in being that is built on intellectual property theft. This the same thing I've seen with mid journey when I've been using mid journey last few weeks, is in order to get it to give you good stuff, you have to start giving it keywords of of

Meanwhile, in the value verse, hot news, December 16 at the famous antones in Austin, Texas. Adam curry. Adam Curry's booster gram ball live, December 16. No way, way. I had a chat with open mike. He's the guy that he actually had a hand in saving small venues during covid. So much longer story. Oh, nice. But he, of course, set up the Minneapolis show with just loud and Ainsley Costello, etc, and he called me, you know, he reached out, and he said, you know, would you be interested

which just doesn't happen when he is in the freezer, it's in

the freezer. And so, lo and behold, Jim Costello reaches out to me the same day before this, before this phone call. And I say, Jim. And so I said, Jim, I got to talk to you. And I say, Jim, I realize my problem. It's the same as no agenda. No agenda. I have producers. And these producers, they produce stuff, and I just have to bring it all together, you know, it's a very, it's a very interactive creative

Give me 10 songs a week, you know, something like that, 14,

actually. And, and he said, Okay, he's gonna do it. And so starting next Wednesday, we'll do it every two weeks to start off with, because it's still, it's, you know, this, there's and also talking about format, like, you can't a lot of p, everyone likes, oh, it's the new song. It's the new song that that's, that's not how you build up artists. That's not how you make hits. So you give me 14 Songs I'm going to play in in one hour, I'm going to play three songs, you already know,

you know, like a deep cut, and then stuff, you know, and then the new stuff. It's actually

a formula for it. It's called a format block. So you start off with a banger, then you go into recurrent, which is between three months and a year old. Then you can do something that's hot now, then you can do a new song, another recurrent, you can do another, you know, there's different formats for it, and it's tried and tested throughout the ages. So I'm very excited about that, because now, because, you know, on Wednesdays, it'll be it's for me, it's like, oh, here's the

Yeah, but Eric asked if is phantom power music hour still gonna go or is that folding into booster grand bowl? No,

no, I think he's gonna continue to do that. Okay, yeah, no, I would hope he doesn't, but he understands the problem,

and that's providence. I mean, it's providence that he, you know, that that those two things came together on the same day?

Yeah, yes, it is a god NOD is, as we say, Yes,

God nine, yeah, totally, totally. And

I just wanted to mention, with this project. We're going to be talking about our project in a couple of weeks, probably, but funding tag will be a big deal. So Apps, you may see people who have funding tags in their in their feeds, who are going to want to see that surface in a way that is clear to see and as interactive as a boost button.

So I'm just saying they said, Well, we can do a little namespace if you want to. Yeah, a

little bit of namespace. And

now it's time for some hot namespace talk. Okay,

I also have a song, so just for your timing,

on the, I mean, on the side, project, front, uh, front end, sucks.

Yeah, gooey. Good. Gooey stuff is, is gooey. It's gooey.

Oh, it's the worst. I mean, I had a problem last night where it was I had one behavior when, this is the double ad thing that we're not trying to fix, that you know about that had one behavior when the dev console, Dev Tools, console of Chrome, was open, and a different behavior when It was closed. Oh, what that one to me? Wow. I think it's, I think this is, I think it's all fixed now, but I was for about an hour and

Don't quit.

But it's all it's all good, but face phase seven, I just, I just polish that turd out and just just send it off into space.

It's done. It was a turd. And you polish it. Is that? What you're saying?

No, it's, it's fine. It's phase seven is now closed, and I never. Want to see it or hear the term face, okay? Because it was a long, painful process, very

painful phase.

Eric, it was not caching that. I know what you're talking about. With disabling caches, there's a checkbox that was, that was not, that did not have anything to do

with it. How dare you question the pod sage,

that's the first as the first thing I did had it did not affect this issue at all. Phase, yeah, so phase seven is just, is done. Funding. The funding tag is now item level. Item level. Yes, I

saw made that change. Stephen B made those changes in sovereign fees, which I highly appreciate. So he did added also a publisher feed. You can, you can now be a publisher feed. Couple other things. It's good. I love sovereign fees. I've been running on it for four years. That was without sovereign feeds, this project would be in big trouble. Oh, yeah for sure. Because if we can't publish the stuff that that we're talking about. Then why would anybody else? So,

yeah, bless, bless Stephen Bell, yes. So that changed. The funding tag changes now, now in effect, and I put announcements on these things for the only GitHub and on and on the podcast, index, social plant, you know. So I wanted to talk briefly about a plan to make the changes to the images tag this week. We discussed that before with Nathan's changes, but this relates to Russell, Russell's, ish Russell's want of the banner tag, and so that whole thing for I just want to

group. Well, pod ID is a fine example of that. He's basically already coding that. Yeah,

right. And so, and I think, you know, I'm not sure exactly what he's doing, but I think we're, I think we can, like, make that work in person. Yeah,

he's, he's creating a new way of doing the person tag, which is fine,

you know, that's that sounds fine to me for IDs or whatever, but, but it got me thinking about, what do we do in those circumstances? Because, you know, I'm never, I don't like to, I don't like any I don't like any project to be like, there's one person who gets to win that doesn't feel communal to me. No, but at the same time, there's there needs to. We are making sort of a, we are making a reference. Is this

your? Is this your dei pitch that you're about to do? Yes,

yeah, yeah. So we have quotas, so the so I'm trying to, I'm trying to find a way to marry those things together. I specifically did not use the word standard because I don't think that the namespace is a standard. I think it's a reference. It's a reference to say, if you want to put this type of information in your feed, here's the way to do it.

to do. Read it yet, to decode it, right?

If we're all looking at the same as long as we're all looking at the same reference implementation, then we'll all be able to read the same stuff. So this got me thinking about sort of an, like, a quote, unquote appendix. So, you know, we have things like, we will have things like the images tag

a place where that right and then say, Okay, this is, this is what I'm doing. Here's how you read it. This is how this is how it's this is how it's happening.

Yeah, so think about, think about it this way. It's on. It's not that much different than what already happens in the world of namespaces. There's a Media namespace, there's an iTunes namespace, there's a podcast namespace, there's a Dublin Core namespace, there's all these namespaces, and some of them have over overlapping functionality. The media the Media namespace has a thumbnail tag, the iTunes namespace has an image tag. Podcast, Sethi

and Daniel J Lewis are going to create millions of references. I

feel like we just open the open the barn door and let Sam run out with you know, on a stallion, he's going to go nuts now, but it you we already have these different namespaces that have sometimes overlapping tag functionality, and what we have is a reference for all of them that says, Okay, if you see this thing, here's how you handle it. If you see this other thing, here's how you handle it. If you see this other if you see media thumbnail, here's what you do with do these things

eventually migrate into the namespace. If there's broad adoption,

I don't think they have to. I mean, they're already, once we do they're already essentially, if we do it this way, they're essentially there already, you because that that's what this is, sort of a formalizing of community. Okay, here's a perfect example, Stephen Bell. Stephen Bell added in an attribute to the live item tag that was not, that was not supposed to be there, right? That's the the web socket, the

I'm good with it. If you're good with it, I'm

good with it, as long as we document it, yeah. Then the reference stays what it is a reference.

It's about to get real fun everybody.

I don't think it will. I

really don't see it's gonna be fun. Because people see you kind of as the as the guy who's like, oh, well, we're gonna put this in the namespace or not. You watch. It's gonna be interesting,

you know? And that's the thing that I'm trying to tame a little bit. I don't, I don't necessarily want to be the guy.

I understand. You're good. We like you as dictator. You're good people like dictators, don't you know that?

Oh, yes, I've heard this. But I think, I think that this was, this is a and I'm not simply trying to be to find compromise. I just think, I think it's a good idea. I think it's already happening, and I think this is a way to acknowledge that it's happening, and in a way that doesn't make anybody lose their mind, yeah, and get mad at each other and stuff. Well,

this is the perfect moment to play some music. I don't know why, but it just feels, it feels like the perfect moment so we can all just reflect on that. Tony Salamone released some fresh music into the value verse, and it's kind of one of those Friday jams, you know, like, let's shred a little bit already. This is unleash on podcasting 2.0 remember to boost.

I guess this is goodbye. We know it's been a long time coming, but now we gotta fight. Yes, we've been keeping our demons hit us. There's fire in your words, and I know it's gotta hurt buttons in your mouth, and if You want to, you can let it out. Something's changing. Boost we victims to our face? Am I guilty or just the first to walk away? But now you're talking down to me, and it makes me kind of glad I didn't say Show me your words that It show me your words.

Unleash, oh yes, your weekend has officially started.

That's some good riffs. Yeah, as

a, as the as a C loss on Linux, boosted, wow. Ai, music has gotten really good. He says that's not a, of course, not, of course not as good as great risk. That's

good stuff. Yeah, yeah. Miss booster, Grand Ball.

Well, it's coming back, baby, Wednesday. Wednesday, taking

it out of the freezer.

Okay, yes, yes, we're going to thaw it out. Let's thank some people, as we're still in the summer. Summer hours here, the summer hours over, Dave's got to get back to work. Randall black, 1000 SATs for unleash, right there. Heard on podcasting, 2.0 hashtag V for v is the only way that's right. I just read C loss on Linux with his 2000 SATs. We have 1776 from salty crayon howdy boardroom. Another big

You get, you're getting splits over 100% amazing. It's

amazing. 500 from Randall black. What time will boost the ground ball? Live be starting. I'm thinking 3pm on Wednesday. I think that's a free slot on the stream, if not, but it'll be on both streams. I'll have the my own stream and the no agenda stream. See lost in Linux again, 6969 bro, if you don't have 4 million YouTube subs, are you even a real podcaster? No 187 million tick tock views. Actual failure, dude. Yeah, exactly. Uh, hey, citizen, 6969 how many stats to

Dave, just following up on that on air stuff with Eric PP, yes, Eric PP is always jumping in to fix, to help fix stuff. I also also want to say that David marzol and Steven crater constantly jump in to fix, to fix all kinds of they do all kinds of pull requests for the web, for the website, oh, cool, and stuff like that. And it's very, very helpful. And fixing, fixing bad feeds in the index and stuff. I just wanted to say, much appreciated. Yeah, we got some. We got got a

inch Blaze only Impala. Thank you very much, Oscar. Mary, appreciate that keeping the index running. Brother, thank you.

We got some booster. Grams, we got odd. Odyssey West, okay. Odyssey Westra dash, nostr. Odyssey, Westra, Nostra, okay.

Zapping, five zapping, 5000 says, Okay, I don't know. I don't know. Don't know how it works.

5000 stats through fountain. He says, Great show you guys have, I love to hear about the behind the scenes work when it comes to podcasting. 2.0 with regards, with regards to with auto generating voices for podcasting. This is happening with YouTube shorts and a lot of summary type videos for movies and show. Those, I wouldn't be surprised. The same thing is

He says, boost boost boost, yeah, boost boost boost boost boost boost boost. There it is.

Cole McCormick, 2222 through fountain. He says, I saw that Forbes article and thought it was great, except for Frank, the author, calling V for V tipping. Yes,

I know it hurt me too, but I looked at it when you know, you know, it's better than nothing.

I also want to share with the boardroom that I'm producing videos for pod home on YouTube and other socials. Look for the podcast. Normie, YouTube channel. Videos will be up weekly. Go podcasting.

Oh, podcast. Normie. Go podcasting. You. Casting.

Gene bean, 2222 through fountain. He says the person href is not suitable as an identifier because sometimes the link goes to a page, like the staff page of a church, instead of a page for the single person. This means all staff members get the same URL. Good point. Now it's a good point. And this also is,

is a that's publisher error in my in my book. Well,

I was go, I was going there. But, you know, this is sort of like one of those things where people are going to do stuff the wrong way.

Yes, it happens in all tags, every single tag

and and I can see what he's trying to say is stay as far away from from allowing people to do things the wrong way as you can. So like that, I think, and I think I understand the spirit of what he's saying, and I think that's a good point, that if you, if you have an open href, then you're making it pretty easy to just not do the right thing, right because I keep going back to Tom Rossi's thing that he said, If you stick an empty text box on a page, somebody's going to stick

I'm in total agreement.

I'm gonna have to run that command through,

right? Don't do it as root, whatever you do. No,

I'm all fair, okay. Delimiter, commentary. Blogger,

I'll have to check out his his content creator topics, podcast on YouTube. I

thought he was about to say that he's covering topics such as polishing your microphone.

That actually helps polishing I always polish my mic before I start. I'm a big, good proponent of polishing the mic.

Yeah, just the top, just just the

top, just the tip.

And what do we got? We got some monthly so we've got Cameron rose, $25 Pedro gun, Calvin's $5 Kevin Bay, five bucks. Chad Farrow, Chad F, 22 $20.22 Brendan from pod page, we got to get Brendan on the show, right? Oh,

definitely, definitely, definitely, we have Daniel. Daniel J, next week I see

Yeah. DJ L, coming live on the show. Now, did

he? Did he just badger you long enough until you gave in. You're like, okay, no,

no, he did not. I reached out of my own volition. There was no pressure. I'm

just kidding. Just kidding. Daniel J, just kidding.

I was I was doing, I was driving to work, and I thought, and I had an epiphany,

need Daniel. Need more. Daniel J, Lewis, yeah, need

more. DJ L, and then I. Reached out, and he was like, Yep, let's do it. Excellent. Excellent. Mark Graham, $1 New Media $1 Randall black $5 and Joseph Morocco, $5 that's our group.

Thank you very much, everybody for your boost, for your PayPals. We are a value for value operation here as who said that? Someone said it here, well, I'm looking for it. It was a Pfeiffer said you can tip through value for value. But not all value for value is tipping various dudes if you want to find out more value for value. Number four, value, dot info. And thanks for keeping everything running your your support is keeping the index running everything that goes

hate contracts. I never want to sign one. I just can we just always do handshakes. I'm with you. I'm with you. Nods, nods and winks and handshakes. That's fine with me.

Let me nod and wink and shake your hand right now. Dave Jones, I got you out four minutes early. How beautiful is that? Oh,

that's beautiful. All right, boardroom.

Thank you very much for being here, brother, Dave, have yourself a great weekend. You too, man, and we will be back next week, same time, same bat channel, podcasting 2.0 where we discuss the future of podcasting. Be here. You know you want it. You

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