Episode 195: Grep Pipe

Podcasting 2.0 for September 27 2024 episode 195, Grant pipe, hello everybody. Welcome once again to podcasting 2.0 when it's podcasting 2.0 you know, it's a Friday, usually it is time once again to talk about podcasting. Everything going on, the past, the present, and, of course, the future. This is the boardroom, and we are the only boardroom that doesn't shut down companies we acquire. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who ensures we

the next company we acquire will be the first company that we acquire. I wonder if any company out there, the only way we could acquire a company is if they would take like stock, like credit, credit.

Do you take credit? Visa debit,

like Zelensky, like crazy.

I just want some credit, man, just give me some credit for some bumps. Yeah, yes, yeah. All right, everybody, it is time once again for the board meeting. I am ready. I'm very excited, excited to talk to you. We never talk Dave and I only talk on Fridays. Pretty much, pretty much, sometimes, yes, sometimes a weekly call. But how

you doing the last couple of weeks have been we've had a bunch of calls with people.

Oh, man, we don't like it. I don't, I don't like it meetings.

I mean, like meetings,

I know. I know, I know. Well, we had, we had our follow up meeting with clicks, clicks, yes, yeah, C, l, i, x, yeah. Those guys might be the first company we've had a meeting with. They might actually integrate something. What do you think? Yeah,

I think so. And they so they were not that was a nice meeting, because we talked about some things for what about 2025 minutes, and then their, I don't know your CEO president, whoever was, was like, Yeah,

I think he's the CEO CEO. He

was like, All right, I think we got some good stuff done. So about 25 minutes, let's get, let's, let's all get off this call. Okay,

that was the same call I had the last time. It's like, 30 minutes. Like, the only guys I think I've ever talked to that schedule 30 minutes and do 30 minutes. I

mean, it was not a minute over 30. And I was like, Yes,

great. Couldn't be happier to get off that call. Yeah,

Ashley was, was just thinking about some stuff, and then he's like, All right, time,

don't worry, Dave. Everybody saw you drifting off like, Oh, we're losing Dave, time to end the meeting. He's the mic. Time to end the meeting. Oh, man,

I heard you on the new media show.

I had a good time on the new media. Yeah. Well, it was so Rob had pinged me a couple weeks ago. He says, hey. Man, hey. Man, Rob talks just like, hey, man, do you want to be on the the board of advisors for the Rio, for the rock world, the podcasting Hall of Fame? I'm like, no, no,

you would not in a million years. Would you ever

do that? No, well, also, you know, you and I, we made our own little pact a long time ago. We're not going to be advisors. We're not going to take stock from anybody. We're just going to be completely independent. Therefore, we're clean, baby. We're like, we're like, Virgin snow, we are clean. I said, I can't be a part of some. It always becomes

Yeah, I'm about two thirds through it right now. It's a good show. I like it.

Yeah, I actually, I think the rodecaster was crackling. I'm not sure I didn't hear it. No, that's correct. I listened critically, and I'm like, I rebooted it right away. You're

too critical of your own audio. You're you. You always have a pro some problem with your audio when nobody else can really, can you

ever be too critical of the audio? Though? Can you ever really be too

Yes, you can't. Yes, you can. Yeah, you can. Have you heard some of these podcasts? Yeah, yes, you can be too critical of your audio. Although I tell everybody, like, if you compare yourself, I mean, if you compare your there's a certain level, your audio is just completely acceptable, like, it's just more than adequate, yeah, but compared to it's like, the 20% rule or whatever, compared to the other 80% of everything out there, it's like, yeah, a relief to hear your show.

Well, I always like it when I hear people saying that I've ruined other podcasts for them, but I always take great pride in that, like, I can't listen to these other podcasts. You've Rowan debt. Yeah, I totally agree. But luckily, and I will say this, even though I'm not a fan of it, but I think it's good that many podcast apps have some kind of processing in it, you know, so that you can, you know, equalize the levels a little bit and make it sound better, which is, to be

you're Neff said, if you want bad audio, listen to a Bitcoin podcast, that

is definitely true. I got a sweet email from this guy. He's in Austin, actually, and he's doing a sports podcast video, and it's four guys, and I'm like, whole, and he's like, you know, and he gave me his gear. Let's say, could you please help me? Trey is his name. Can you please help me? I can't get it to sound right, and I tune into this thing. This got like, four different mics. He's running a Mackie board, and only two have compressors on them. So one mic is, like, totally,

Would you say now, would you go as far as to say that the audio quality you get out of the out of those are better than the road cast?

Yes, yes, wow. The microphone processing, yeah, and it's simple. It's simpler. You have a lot now that I can't really use it, because I have to be able to process Dvorak, or you coming back in, and it doesn't allow it doesn't have that

functionality. It doesn't have the extra audio interface. It does have the

extra audio interface, but there's no processing on it, so And honestly, you know, most people won't want to do that for interview situations. It works just fine. And maybe in a future version you can put that in, but it doesn't matter. I mean, for just two people doing a podcast, or if you connect two of them together, because you can link them, you can do four people. I mean, I would go with that time after time and I and even though I was tempted, I will not be buying the rodecaster. Video,

well, you were tempted for that, wow, from

a gear perspective, yeah, just because the gear, the gear

flood and you wanted it, yeah, because it

came out, I immediately got the manual and read it in bed, and I'm reading like, Oh, man. I was like, if, if I were to build this, this is exactly what I would build. It's

things you read in bed, yes, not wearing the things I thought of.

It's very high on my list. I'm zooming in on diagrams. Like, okay, so this is how that works. I thought, you know, well maybe. And then I'm like, What am I doing? I'm getting sucked in. Go to sleep. Then I just know, oh, I'm about to get cameras and lights. And what am I thinking? No, no, no, no. That's like I could do the no agenda. Oh, but not to do clips, not to do video. No, no. It's just not worth it. Although the gear itself is nice. I mean, it's a nice piece of kit, and I

no, I'm sure that that seems I mean, in that market, when you get in the video market, everything gets so much more expensive anyway, yeah. I mean, I guess they're probably going up against things like the Tricaster and stuff, yeah,

oh, they'll, they blow all of that out of the water. I mean, I haven't kept up with everything, but we're far, far from the days of the. You got Video Toaster, my friend,

remember that? I mean, yeah, oh, yeah. Video is all great until you forget that your camera's on and you pick your nose then, then

there's that. Now, I love, I love audio so much I really do. It's, it's the best, it's the easiest, you know. So anyway, that's all. We had a good time on the new media show. I thought we had some good chats about about podcasting 2.0 and, you know, I did my little spiel about value for value and told people that about the no agenda show, which will be celebrating 1700 episodes next Thursday, and 17 years, 17 years, and we never had a fight in October, october 26 I think 17 years.

That's how so one thing you said during it was fun to hear you kind of go over some of the the history of no agenda, I think I started listening to no agenda. It was early. It was maybe, it was in the hundreds. It was maybe episode. Oh, really that early, huh? Yeah, very early. It was maybe, maybe 150

How did you find, how did you Oh, we already knew each other, I guess, through, through the Weiner projects.

Yeah, well, when the Weiner project started, I had already, I think I became a listener, and then immediately dove into the Weiner project. So it was, I think that's roughly with like that was those were concomitant with each other. I think it was in the it was in the hundreds somewhere. But I think, I think I came over from, from one of the Twitch shows just because

of war act. Yeah, that tweet is on its last legs. Man, no, it's, it's on its last legs.

I was there for a lot of the history of it. When, when did you move to LA?

Myself, not

LA, my second wife,

first for time frame, yes, first wife, second wife. Okay,

it was around that time. Oh, well, let's

see, I moved to LA in 2008 No, 2000 Yeah. In that time frame, 2000 Yeah. It must have been in the hundreds, 2008 when people were sending me free bitcoin

and saying, This has a future. Adam,

I had been I'd been listening for a while. I'd been listening for a while already, and by the time the episode hit, where you were interviewed about Michael Jackson on like C CBS or something

CNBC, that was legend. That was legendary.

I don't remember what whatever year that was. I've been listening for about a year at that point.

Let me see, I think I have. I it was, let me see, oh, this is actually, have that clip. You want to hear that clip? Yeah, it was cut you off, right? Yeah. Does Michael Jackson die? Yes. Then it hung up on me. Michael Jackson died, and they called me for some unknown reason, like, oh, let's get that MTV guy on. I mean, there seems to be an insatiable appetite for this. Yes, absolutely.

And I'm amazed you're showing the footage, and everyone seems to be showing the footage of these rehearsals just two days before. Here's a guy who clearly was in great physical shape. He had 3040, concerts coming up in the o2 Arena in London. That's a huge production. You have to be preparing yourself a year in advance, at least physically. You can't put on a show like that without an enormous insurance coverage, which includes a tremendous amount of

Get rid of me. Yeah, you were dressed. They just is like, cut.

We're done. Yeah, I can't believe you said that. This man's horrible. We'll never have him back on again.

Yeah, and you said that, and then people went to jail a few months

later for killing him exactly. Man, yeah, you know it was

good to hear you go over that history, though that was good.

Oh, I'm glad you like but I want you to have a listen and we'll, uh, point out that they didn't put me in the splits. Thanks.

No, they left you out. Yeah. Unlike

your board meeting, which always puts our guests in the splits, always

you should put, you should put Todd and Rob in the splits, just to heap coals upon their head.

Yes, keep coals upon their head. I think that is Proverbs 27 Seven, actually, maybe 26 burning coals. Burning coals. I didn't hear them. Promo it on power on the pod news weekly review, which I did have a chance to listen to. Tomorrow, there's a virtual summit. The podcasting 2.0 virtual summit taking place.

I know, what is a ver what is a virtual summit like? What is this? Oh, what is this? Is probably something that I should have known, that I've been told about five times and just don't remember.

Let me see if I could find it. The podcasting 2.0 virtual Summit, live and online in the podcast apps, I believe Barry from pod home is he's probably doing the feeds. Oscar, Mary will be there. I'll be there. DJ, Valerie B love will be there. She's pretty good at the value for value stuff. And it starts off, I think tomorrow, at 11am our time. Oh,

is this the one that Sam is doing? No, Sam said this.

No, this is not the SAM thing. This is something else, I think. But if it was Sam, then we would have had 20 minutes of promo, that's why. But, well, that should be fun. And then we had a you're gonna be on there? Yes, yeah, I'm, I'm opening it up. And Valerie B love is going to fireside chat,

summits. Summits invoke the idea of the pinnacle. It's a conversation, yeah, yeah. Conversation.

It's a conversation, okay, unlike the I got so after I did the new media show, I had a really busy day. I had promised this, this, this group who are doing the podcast, knowledge festival, I know cool in Holland. I said, Oh, you know, can you do a little video for us? Like, yeah, I could do that.

What? Like a promo video, well,

no, like a, like a mini keynote, basically, oh, wow, let me see. And so then all of a sudden, I'm Hello Adam curry here in Texas, and open video, manure by you Lee by the BNR podcast, Kenneth festival.

It was, I understand a lot of the things you're saying, yeah, like podcast, festival, Adam curry,

I speak Dutch.

You do, you're a Dutch master. So it was, it was very, very I did 13 minutes in one take. I was pretty surprised. Like, Oh, all right, was your, you're a pro. I was, I was doing, I was doing video anyway. You know, I was doing video the whole day, so, and that'll be my video. That'll be it for video. This, this for the year, for the year. You know, we were talking about, I think we mentioned, well, we've been

Oh, this is, this is like you. So this idea is like, insistence is resistance. You're like, yes, you know, I insist on using these products in order for them to destroy themselves. Yes, I want to. I want you want to. You want to be afraid you're having a front row seat for the for the self destruction. Yes,

and I want to take credit for it. I did that. You

know what grok? What grok refers to me, you and me and everybody else. Grok considers us to be local pockets of decreased entropy, otherwise known as humans,

local pockets of decreased entropy.

Yeah, do you see brown of London? Like posted?

I did see, did see that? Yeah, that makes sense. And, you know, I was thinking like, I mean, social media is going to become unused, unusable as a particular x will probably be first to go because of their very tight integration with grok, but people are already seeing huge problems with reviews. So any review website, or any product website that has reviews, it's now filling up with AI slop. Comments everywhere are being filled with AI slop. It's all you know, just

it makes sense. It's like, it's like, I mean, it's like Slack. And I think people like that for that reason, because you don't, yeah, IRC is, but I mean, it's like, Slack is just IRC this whole day. It is, it is, again, on top of ours, right?

But again, it's, it's another platform, and someone else controls it, and IRC, you can have your own server and it federates. I guess slack can federate too, in a way. But yeah, yeah, I think you're probably right. Slack is, in a way, just the fancy skin on an IRC server. Maybe it even started that way. I don't know.

It always looked that way to me. It had the same I always thought that it was just a skin, but it, you know, I fell into this trap too, of like having to, you know, I want to own my content, and I want to have my own, you know, sir, server for being, being on social media and all these kinds of things. And I, the other day, I just went back and in my podcast index dot social profile, and just set my history to auto delete itself after like, a certain number of weeks,

waste, and it made me depressed.

I'm always whenever Tina's posting something on, well, she got rid of her her ex. I'm very proud of her for doing that. Oh, she did. I'm shutting that down. It makes me too anxious. She's always been on Instagram and and she'll post something like, why are you working for Zuckerberg? Why are you making his platform more valuable? Why? Yeah, it's like, well, of course, there's no, there's no right answer to that question. There's not. But I will say that Zuckerberg has a

Yeah, I think, I think they're, I think they want to blow that whole thing up, yeah, like, like you said, and then boost the the other, you know, the Google angle. I've always been of the opinion, and I continue to be, that Google is bringing these things, these AI things, out in order to in, like, visibly, publicly, very, very publicly, failing at them, just to show, just to strike, a lack of confidence In the market. Um, well,

you know, go ahead,

I was just gonna say, because they, they developed so much of what, of the transformer technology that that is the source behind all these, all these models, and they, but they never really did anything with it. And it's because they know that it's long term, not a viable like it's it See, here's the problem with even discussing stuff like this, is, is you can? You have to be so nuanced in how you describe its shortcomings and its and its limitations. Because if you just

Grok?

No. I mean, where? Where did grok get it from? From

Google. I'm sure Reddit, oh, red Reddit, yes, of course. Well, Reddit is selling their data. They're making that's one of their main revenue drivers now, is selling their user data to to the AI companies, yeah.

So you can, you can go on, you can find this term. I was like, that is very specific term. That's such a good point. And if you and if you quote search it, you can find that that came from the local pocket of decreased entropy. Is a term that groks large language model got from a few posts on Reddit. And I

see it right here. I see it right here under evidence for creator,

right r slash evolution, yes, yes, it is. And so this is this. These are not. These are not. It is not gleaning. It's it's not gleaning. This data from, from x, from experts or vetted materials. This is just coming from, from people discussing things on the internet, right? And at some point it's going to book is going to come from people discussing things where they're injecting AI output, and then you're going to start to see the model collapse accelerate,

yeah, and, and what this really does is it destroys Google search capability.

What do you mean? Like, flesh that out? Well, I agree with you, but I want to hear what, how you describe it.

Well, so Google is just always crawling the internet, and so it's picking all this stuff up. So it's picking up, you know, it'll pick up the transcript of this podcast. Yeah, when it comes to local pockets of decreased entropy, it'll see links pointing towards this podcast and this transcript, it'll, you know, push it up the up the ladder, and, you know, before you know it, we've got it.

we've, you know, local pockets.

PD, I'm a pocket of decreased entropy.

Well, this actually fits back into, what, what the just let me, let me actually pull that up, because this, this is an interesting sort of it, the the whole idea, what Brian asked was, how does Darwinian evolution produce, uh, producing increasing complexity go against entropy? And so the the answer was this long thing with bullet points, and a lot of it is stuff that you know, is, is already known and and discussed and

Need to route around it. Yeah.

Or, or, if you have information without meaning in your DNA, that's called cancer, wow. Information without meaning is not information, it's something else. So that, you know, that's the first part of that. But then energy, the energy aspect, energy without direction, is destructive. It's not constructive. So if you just inject energy into a system, you're more than you're more likely to kill the system. The radi Yeah, you're gonna, you're going to increase entropy, not

There you go, these

guard rails on, on it, but, but ultimately, it's, it's, I think the we're going to prove to be incapable of doing that.

But, man, people are going to make a lot of money on those stocks. In the meantime, this is really what it's all about. Yeah, yeah.

This week in entropy, yeah.

Move to some structured content here the podcast standards meeting they held in Washington, DC, published their their wishes for moving forward. Oh, you're talking

about the blog post. Yes, they have a blog. Yeah, let me copy them,

yeah. And so they, they have a first they celebrated the podcast pod roll adoption, which I think is good. It hasn't really surfaced in many places yet, but people are creating them on their feeds, which is good. We do it on this show. Oh, it has something to tell you, by the way. Well, what are you drinking? First of all,

this is a Lacroix, pure unflavored mineral water. Okay, you

want to tell me something first before I move on, so you don't write it down.

I won't forget. Okay, I'm

reading here from the blog post enhancing the podcast the person tag. We spend a lot of meeting brainstorming how could improve the podcast. Person tag. We explored the idea of attaching a GUID to each person with a central service or endpoint for storage. This approach similar to Gravatars, role in Avatar management. Could it significantly enhance the

it is a tough one. It's like, I can't say, drawer, drawer, drawer, drawer. Russell Harr,

he flagged some issues with the current person tag, and then I want to talk to you about it for a second, Since no one seems to have replied to him.

Have not read it yet. Well, he

says, so. First, he say he has some you know, stuff about well, you know, tags should be flexible, but he feels that if he actually wrote a an issue. While the podcast person tag is a great tag to have, it's missing key requirements that make it a valuable tag for podcast players and applications to match a podcast guest or host with other podcasts they've they're featured on the current person tag. Documentation does not allow for a podcast hosting company to link to a person ID

Yeah, so sit. I replied. Alberto sent me an email and

back channel.

He sent me. It wasn't really a back channel. He sent me an email and was like, hey, you know, heads up on this blog post, essentially, here's the one that you're referring you know, hey, you know, can we get some input on this? And I'm glad he did that, because I would not have seen the blog post otherwise, and my reply to him was virtually identical to what you just said. I replied to him and said, You know, I'm a

But we just don't really want to rely on Gravatar, do we? No, I

don't think so. No, I don't think so. I don't think so because you could, I really don't think so, because it requires an email address, and I just don't know that. I mean, nobody wants to associate. There's just a real hesitancy to associate your email address with podcast stuff and just right, right, I don't know, and I just don't want

to go good point after we got rid of it from RSS fees. Now we. Want to reintroduce it back. Yeah, excellent point. I mean, yeah, you

know that HRF should be unique, right?

I guess what Russell is saying is that it should be unique. It should be the same across the board. So you so when you have me on as a guest, you I would, I would prefer you to point it to my podcast index, dot social profile, but someone else may put in podcast index.org or or curry.com or something else.

I mean, I think that's the this, the protocol itself, having the href as the unique identifier is fine, is fine. And that solves the problem of, that solves the problem of uniqueness, the problem of like, the idea of wanting it always to be that Adam curry has this href, yeah. That can be solved with with a central lookup. Hey,

man, I want it to be my nostr and pub.

You can totally do that. Bro, Thanks, bro,

my nostr and pub. That's my identity in the world,

like so that there's kind of like two, there's two like angles to that desire. There's the the h ref solves the makes it makes it possible to do that, but then having a central lookup repository makes it sort of Dependable that you're always going to get the same href right. And then just, you know, like, just like a gravatar, if you want to have multiple identities. You can just use multiple email addresses. The same here. Like, if right, I may want to appear on a podcast

and have a different personal Yeah, different identity, yeah. Like, in my

personal capacity, you can be and then have a different you can be.

Do we know on some other podcast, could be a woman? Yes,

I could. That's right, that's for my RP, my MMO RPG identity, my female, you know, whatever, yeah. But that, yeah, that's so you could just have, you know, you could have a day if I was on a for my day job, if I was on a, you know, podcast, for you know, tax stuff, then, you know, I would, I may use a different profile that points that's more relevant. And so then I would have these two identity, I don't know. I just think the href solves it. I don't know that we need to introduce a GUID.

No, I don't think so. But if people want to ramp up something on make a well, wouldn't that just be a table? You don't we already have that basically, then we already have these rows in the table for the podcast person tag.

We do, yeah, and we could just, we could see that list by just dumping that table out, yeah,

initial lookup list, repository created. It's done. It's done. We did. It was that fast enough? Russell,

I mean, there was he's talking now, when he's talking about social aspect, is he talking about, like your social media handles or, I

guess so. Yeah, is NP. That's the end pub deal,

I guess we'll see that we, we know we need a social tag here, and so I'm, I'm thinking, and we have yet to do that, so I feel like that's probably the solution to what to that part of what he's saying. Yeah, you've got the, you've got the central look up good thing, and then you have, like, Okay, but how do we attach, like, social media thing to that? And I think I feel like those are two separate questions. I

agree. I agree. That's part of a profile.

Yeah, yeah, because, because we've talked about a social tag, you know, like a podcast colon social tag, and I feel like that is its own tag. And then you define it and attach it to, to a person in some way, yeah, or maybe even the this is interesting. Maybe the person tag could even, okay, I'm getting sucked in now, yes,

you are sorry, by the way, if anyone wants to join my new social network, I'm hashtag Adam on nodes, on zero node.net, that's my, that's my new social that's, that's right, that's where you can find me. That's where you can interact with me.

IRC, yes, yeah, yeah.

IRC, federates, right? IRC, federates, you can, yeah, yeah. You can get to it from other servers. It's

kind of real. It's a relays, yes, realizes. Relays do. This is just like Noster, gee, only

28 years old.

Publishers, I mean, I'm looking at the person tag right now.

Hey citizen, the first one, first one. Hey citizen, first one in my social network. That

wouldn't fit. No idea. Wouldn't fit. Nevermind. I retracted. I take it back. The social, yeah, I think we could do a social thing where we have, like, where we could attach, even wrap tags in a social tag.

Oh, there you go.

I don't know what to think about it. Okay.

Well, that was my hot name, space talk for the day. Let me see what else I had on this thing. Ai content identification. Oh, boy.

Oh yeah. That should be easy, right? We had

just we discussed the possibility of introducing a tag to indicate AI generated audio content in podcasts. The idea was inspired by YouTube. What's the what's the raspberry for? Who cares? The idea was inspired by YouTube's recent implementation of asking creators of the content makes a real person appear to say, you know, it does you know? You might as well just auto tag everything, because everything's gonna gonna contain AI generated audio, whether you know it or

know. I know. I know Apple for sure, wants that. It's because Ted mentioned it that they want some way of of just tagging, of having, like, an

AI, all going to be AI. It will all contain elements of AI. It's unavoidable. That's my point. That's the future.

Well, well, I mean, but how far do you go with that? I mean, like the no agenda may have, may play a clip that has some AI in it in a mocking fashion, Yeah, but you're not, but that doesn't mean that you are AI generated content. No,

well, no, it says makes a real person appear to say or do something they didn't say or do. So now they're into the misinformation game. No, I don't. So you might as well. I mean, no, agenda is arguably 50% misinformation. You know, I said

that please.

I was but I played this song on the pre screen. This one, I'll just play a little bit. Get to the vocals. There you go.

Cody Wilson forced the way. Stark followed, led the fray.

I kind of liked this song. I just pulled it off of the split kid, and we right away, it was like, That's AI, is AI? And I hadn't even realized it was AI. I like the guitar. I like the riff. It's pretty good when it comes to AI, is it AI? For real? No, everyone says it is, says it sounds like it Come coming straight out of Sumo, which probably is Sumo. I don't know what that is. Oh, yeah, Sumo is the is the Sumo is getting sued. Sumo sue me. Mo, oh,

is that the? Is that the one that enabled that, uh, Spotify fraudster guy to do all that? Probably,

yeah, probably. But by the way, it wasn't that. It was AI. It was, he was, uh, defrauding the streams. That's that was the problem.

Well, yeah, auto auto tune. Yeah, we'll make you sound like AI. But I mean, if we go back, if somebody played, if Cher released her auto two song, tune, song, yep, today everybody would say it's AI, but it was, it may just be auto tune.

Yeah, that's possible. It's possible. Most songs today are auto tune. But anyway, oh

yeah, I don't like this. Live shows are auto tuned pretty

much now, oh yeah. I mean, my theremin is auto tune.

That's why it sounds so good. This is why you can jam, yes,

how I hit the notes. But you know, if you want to get into the game of may, of asking creators to tag their content if it makes a real person appear to say or do something they didn't say or do. I will never do that. You want to highlight parody, but it may not be parody. It's like now you're in the in the misinformation, disinformation game. That's a very slippery slope, people. You don't want to get into that.

I don't have a problem with a general tag that just says, this is, this is all AI. I mean that to me that sounds because we do that. That's similar to what happens on the Fed averse when you can tag an account as a bot and you say, Okay, this, this is just not this is not a human. And it's sometimes right helpful to know that you could say, well, this, you know, this show, if it's if you're putting out a

I mean, there's a, there's a, I actually subscribe to an AI podcast. Which is the automated daily,

and I'll play it for you so you can hear what it sounds like. Welcome to the automated daily, top news edition, the podcast created by generative AI. Now we're not just delivering the news, we're empowering you to become a storyteller. Create your own pie. Have

this auto skip picked list of because I'm annoyed by hearing this every single time. Email

us info. The automated daily How do you auto skip? It? Today is 2008,

and podcast guru, you can say, just skip. You know, start eight seconds in. Here we go. So this Secretary

General, Antonio Guterres, has raised alarms about the rising sea levels, describing them as a rising tide of misery. You

know, it's not an, it's not an rising tide of misery. It's not an offensive voice. It's, it's three minutes, you know, just gives me some some I know where the headlines are coming from. But they also do a hacker news edition, an AI edition, and that's tedious stuff that no one will do. And I'm like, Oh, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with you just listening to you read some headlines and some summaries. And of course, I love it, because this creates more AI slop ultimately.

Well, the which is, which is your mission, that is, yes, it is. The, there's a bunch of these in the index. And these should all like, I would not have a problem with there being a little like, right now it says news and daily. Are the two

Okay, yes, if it's, if it's just because the show is generated by AI, but not if it's pretending to be something that someone said that it wasn't true. Of like, come on,

nah, yeah, because then then you're immediately gonna open up the can of worms. Of it's selective editing, and you're just gonna get all this. It's just No, I agree, and

by the way, I agree. Harv hat, CGI, I'm calling it should be CGA, computer generated audio. It's not AI by any stretch of the imagination. This computer generated audio from text files. It's beautiful. This is just fine. Let me see. Was there anything else new application process? Oh, yeah, you have to apply. Can we? Can I apply? Apply to be a member. Apply for what? What are you applying to become a member of the pod standards group?

Oh, don't. No, don't do that. Okay, then, then they're gonna send you, uh, dinner, send you more emails and invite you to a Slack channel. You don't want

that slide show. And I

have a feeling their meetings aren't 30 minutes. No,

okay. I like, I like the I like the way this works right now, where, where they have meetings and then they just email us the blog post. What do you think? Yeah, it's

good, perfect.

I prefer to stick with that model. Works for me. Works for me. Can we I've got some more namespace stuff if you want to. Yeah, well,

then let me get the business. And now it's time for some hot name space talk, yeah, because all I had was lukewarm. Dave's bringing the heat. Dave's bringing the heat to the namespace. Talk,

your stuff was tepid, tepid.

Sorry, I'm sorry for being tepid.

The funding tag. Ah, my favorite. You're you're a fan of the funding tag.

I am. I

so I realized something last night. I was doing some some work, and realized that the funding tag is only for the channel level, and it feels like it should be as a it feels like an artificial restraint where

it should be item level as well.

Yeah,

I'm gonna, I'm completely all in on that. I agree I done next. It has to be. I think it's I think it's critical. I think it's critical. I didn't even realize that it was channel level only that didn't either. And I also wish that apps would make clear what it is, you know, because, well, obviously funding is just a name in the namespace, but it's really either support this or donate. I mean, I think those are, those are the terms that fit best. Use your own

heard you throw Jason under the bus on the new media show under the. Ending tag. Well,

that's not throwing men under the bus. That's constructive criticism.

Okay, you put you put his toe under a tire

and rolled and then, and then hit the gas and backed over it again. So if I'm in an episode, obviously it doesn't show which makes sense, because it's channel level only, and if I'm Let me see. Let me see if I do this, right? So if I go to the channel level, okay, so support this podcast is under the menu bar, but not visible in the UI. I think that that was my complaints, like, Hey, man, and yes, it should be visible when, when you're playing the podcast, that's, that's the ultimate

feel, I feel like we should, I don't think. I cannot imagine anybody having a problem with this. I mean, if I haven't heard from anybody that this, that this is a problem in in, you know, by the end of the weekend, I'm just gonna go ahead and do it good. I mean, I'll document it, I'll document the change and make sure everybody knows about it. But I just don't see how this could possibly be a problem. This is the stuff that

Everybody's like, well, you make it optional, right? You make it optional to be item level, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the way to do it.

So I just don't there's because you can imagine, we can all sit here for two seconds and imagine many scenarios where this would apply.

Well, now I understand why podcast guru wasn't floating my boat because, because it's, it's not an item level thing. So when you're just playing the podcast, it's not going to show up. I mean, it could. But just thinking from a developer standpoint, oh no, this is when you're looking at the all, the whole list of the podcast, when you're basically looking at the channel, that's where support this podcast shows

when you're when you're at India. Developer, yes, still to, still to boots. Yes,

you have to, you have to have boots like that. And that makes sense. And I'm hoping that we get some wallet solution pretty soon. Any word from the Zebedee folks yet, nothing yet, I presume. Well,

I mean, they're kind of waiting on me because I'm, I need to. I've set up my developer account on there, but I haven't had chance to code on it, because of this other thing that that I've got going on. And you mean,

the robot, building the robot.

This thing is awesome.

It'll do your laundry, you watch.

I so wish we were building a robot. Yeah, the sub hadn't had a chance. I'm hoping to get to it this week where I can set up a little dim, you know, like a sandbox type app. Just check it out, cool. Um, one thing happened this. One thing happened this week.

A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the office. Yes, a

funny thing happened in the aggregator. Oh, yeah, I

read about this. You did Yes. This is the, the delayed, uh, surfacing of a particular feed. No,

no, no, no, that, that's, that's the ungovernable, ungovernable misfits, which those guys are crazy anyways, in the title,

the problem is, in the title, they're ungovernable. It's

like, yeah, like, it's

not showing up. And Steven's like they're uncomfortable misfits.

Exactly No. I'm

talking about a different issue that Oscar emailed me about. He emailed me a link. Can I? Can I find this feed? Hang on, I just got, I just got the booster gram blitz in my email. So I'm gonna have to go back through here and find it. Oscar, here we go. All right. This is podcast ID, 311232, let's see what that goes to 313311232, yeah, the ABP, AB. P Audio, Bible podcast.com, the World English Bible, blended mix.

Oh, I think I spoke to these guys. They have 8000 versions of the Bible. Probably. Yeah, let's see where's what's it called again,

what's going on with my internet. What's wrong

with the Internet? What's the three? What's this podcast

into podcast index ID 311232, it's the ABP. World, English, Bible, blended, mix, January, start, polio, okay? Bible that

didn't work very well. Podcast.com

they searched that way. Oh, Lord, they got a lot of Bibles.

What are you searching by?

I searched for audio Bible. Podcast.com Okay, yeah. They got World English Bible, King James Version, King James Version, right? One hour a day, April, start, November, start January. Whoa, they've got this must be like a through the Bible in a year type of thing. Yes,

they and they had a read for every i think they reached out to me. I'm like, you guys should do it in the in the index. And then they, they showed up. And so what? What happened? What's the problem?

Well, okay, so the issue was, Oscar said there's, there's no this episode, like there's this episode that's not showing up. And it was on this specific one, this world English Bible blended mix January start, and he ref, he's, he gave me the episode that's not showing up. And so I started looking through the feed, and the GUIDs in this feed are like, here's Okay, messed up the GUIDs. Well, it's fit. So here's the GUID. The

Give me the question again.

So there's two episodes in the feed. One has a GUID of fifth of 16.26, another one has the GUID of 16.260 only 16.26

is showing up, oh, because of the zero at the end will be ignored.

Yeah, it was part yes. It was parsing. The aggregator. Was parsing the GUID as a number and dropping the

zero. So you had a integer instead of a string,

specifically as a as a float or a double. Oh, yeah,

that's what I meant to say, as a float or a double. Well, in

JavaScript, there is no such thing as a float or a double. I think everything is a double, but there's only one type called number, and it can and it's just everything's a double. So the but it so, and they can be represented by a decimal, you know, notation, number and even. But so the XML parser that I use, called fast XML parser, is it has a bunch of controls for to get around this, but none of them, like, none of

you know what this is Don't you, we need to praise God for finding this bug for us

through the Bible. Yeah, specifically, Isaiah

will be incomplete.

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. God, that was a good bug. Find that's a good one. He broke the parser.

Um, I got it fixed. But I don't like the way.

I don't like the fix a Bible bug. There you go. It's a Bible bug. It's a Bible bug again. Okay? Okay, so the fix, yeah, gotcha. Well, the

fix is ugly, right now it is, I see, because I'm afraid, sorry, this could be a, this could be, like, one of those things where you try to fix it and you end up having, like, a, you know, bombing out the entire aggregator with some weird thing that you don't understand because you're making all the ways to fix this with the parser itself. With this fast XML parser, are sort of like, uh, blunt instrument type cases, yeah. Give me an example. Like, well, it's like, stop

um exception,

exactly, manual, if eat ID equals, yeah, then don't, you know, basically, just turn off all parsing for, for the GUID field, right? So anyway, this, it's, it was, it was interesting. You see the, I mean, when you get into RSS parsing and you see the kitchen sink. Man, oh, you

see, you see the kitchen sink. You see the plumbing. You see that gob of hair down at the bottom of the pipe. You see it all

nasty, like, what

even? What even are these goo? It's like, what is so here's,

yeah, what's the what's the generator? What was the feed generator?

Ooh, it's good question. Let

me see here, because that's, let's go to the source, not documented, okay, home baked monk,

web master, the webmasters, uh, email addresses in here it is. XB, 64, TG, three, YSC, at Leia makings.com, space. Web monkey, which is not an I don't even understand what that means. Whoa. Web monkey, web

monkey, why does that sound familiar? Web monkey, web monkey. Let me see what web monkey is. Web monkey is.

Is that the guy that did the no agenda, website,

no, his handle, no, that's, uh, no, code monkey. He's codes, codes monkey. Web monkey reference, uh, hmm, whatever happened to webmonkey.com I don't I just remember code Yeah. I remember web monkey being some kind of, yeah, web monkey, the site is gone, the site that turned humble web developers into attention grabbing authors.

Web Oh, web monkey. Was that that? Yeah, yeah. That was the thing, like a tutorial side or something, I think. So that's right, that's right. But these, I don't know what these GUIDs are, so like this. This item is day 267

Oh, that's got to be a Bible in a year thing,

yes, day 267 in the GUID is 15.2. 67 what is I don't know Isaiah.

Isaiah 15. What? What? What book was it?

Isaiah 3230. No,

can't, no, can't. I

understand now what they're doing? Oh, okay, okay, so, so, since they're doing about days, you're gonna have a day 26 and you're gonna have a day 260 Yes, okay,

day delimiter. That's what it is, yeah,

yeah, yeah. That's what it is that if they had put something else in there, like, like, even one single letter in the GUID, then it would not have parsed that way, but, but we need to be a business. Is not their fault. We need to be able to handle whatever's thrown

at us. Well, that's a good catch. That is weird. No, I love how the whole community came together to figure that one out. Well, now

that I see that there's a whole bunch of these I need. I'm gonna have to put in the better fix is going to be just, just looking for this, you know, I mean pattern, the real, the real fix is road pipe, yeah, there you go, grip pipe. There you go. Got it? That's,

that's my solution to everything, red jacks,

yeah, the fit, yeah, the right fix is to just Yeah, create the Tweak the parser where it's not doing this with

that solves. I have a two minute and 28 second song for us today. Yay. Uh. Which is brand new from Ainsley Costello. I would play anything by Ainsley sound unheard, sight, unseen, and she's got some some nice guitar licks in this one, so we'll play it. It has changed your mind. New from Ainsley Costello looks

nice on a screen, straight out of a magazine. Go ahead, show some skin. Doesn't mean that it's for him. He makes a joke. It doesn't land. Doesn't mean that you have to laugh. Put his hands on your back. You can say, I don't like that if you can't be grateful today. Doesn't mean that you have to take a home. You can kiss in the dark while parked in the car. Everything going on your thought at night, nothing's

fresh new music from Ainslie Costello in the boardroom. Change your mind. Now available everywhere in the value verse,

that's a good one. Yeah, she does, yeah.

I like that guitar, man, I like that. That sound like a real guitar guy, too.

A real guitar, yeah, not fake fake guitar. Fake

guitar guy. Like a real guitar guy, exactly.

So you, you said PayPal is gonna take Bitcoin payments. Can Do Do you know any more information about that? So Dvorak

sent me an email. He was mad. It's like, heads up, good news and bad news. He said, bad news. First, PayPal is breaking all their existing links because we have a PayPal rep, we have a we have an actual human we can contact, and they say, Well, we're going to train you on how to do the new links so all legacy links will apparently break. That was the bad news, and that's where John was mad, like it's it, let's break something that's doesn't need fixing. Let's fix

Let's see, let me, let me look at there's

no announcement as far as I know.

Okay, I thought, because I think I got it. I think I saw a news article about it that mentioned it, though really may have been Bitcoin magazine that would be surprising looking articles. What do you bet that this? Here it is. You have PayPal enables business accounts to. Buy, hold and sell Bitcoin and crypto. Okay, so that may, that's, that's it, yeah, that's

different. That's different.

Do y'all have a y'all are business account? I'm

assuming that. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah.

But I mean, at least y'all see, okay, here. So you, you just jog my memory on this new media, show your PayPal link in your funding tag, Todd and Rob is broken.

Uh oh,

if you click, if you click through on your funding tag, link it, it code goes to a page on paypal.com that says something's not right. This page does not exist. So whatever it is you you got to fix that.

Yeah, I had to fix the one on currying, the keeper. Was it broken? Yeah, it was still going. It was still going to, what's that? The same thing we had to change on the index for the on change stuff. What was that thing called? Oh, Tally coin. Tally coin, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're still going there. So I changed, oh,

I put out a put out another audiobook, yeah. Oh, it is. And this time I did, you know, I'm doing the tour of hosting companies.

Oh, what's it? What's it called, I want to subscribe.

This is called an occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge by Ambrose Bierce. I will link it.

Oh, there you go in the boardroom. Do you mind if I play a little a piece of it?

Yeah, yeah, feel free.

Banjo, yeah. Are you playing the banjo? Yeah, that's me. Oh, man, I love you. Dave Jones, you're so awesome.

A man stood upon a railroad bridge in Northern Alabama, looking down into the swift water 20 feet below. The man's hands were behind his back, and he jumped down with a cord.

Cool. I'll listen to that. I'll listen to your audiobooks. One episode on more coming. Or is the whole thing in one one deal, one

miss, short story. Nice

picture is that AI picture is that the real deal is,

it is mid journey.

Nice.

I'm starting to get a I'm starting to get the hang of of the whole mid journey theme. You have to, it's like, you have to to get something that doesn't look like typical mid journey fluff, you have to tell it things like, don't

look like mid journey. Fluff, yeah, yeah, stupid stuff like that, yeah.

You have to say things like, it is so funny how you reverse engineer it? No, you first you have to know that everything that is getting all of its content from the internet, yeah, so then you think like you would with an internet site, so you can say things like a picture taken with a Nikon camera, right? And that's probably going to be starting to pull off things like flickerish, type, size that are

and your experience. Are you going to do a review later, an audiobook about your trip around all the hosting companies, the

tour of hosting companies? Yes, maybe I should. I should put that out. Yeah, I should do that. All right, I'm going to keep everybody mad at me.

I'm gonna keep you on a schedule, baby. It says summer hours. So Dave's, Dave's got to go back to the day job. So I'm going to thank a few people. Oh, already,

well, I didn't give my review of my rss.com,

uh, experience. I'm sorry. Do your do your review? It was great.

They have audio, auto transcripts.

You should do a review podcast. Today's review is rss.com, it was great.

And then banjo, and then the banjo

outro, play us out.

Play us out, baby. The UI is great. They have auto transcripts, which was nice, so I was able to just go transcript. Didn't have to do anything extra, yeah, just hit the button. They had Albi integrated into the UI, so I just put in my Albi address, and it nice stuck, it stuck a value block in there, and they said, and they gave a little button that said, Do you want to add us as a split? And I was like, Yeah, sure. Added them as a split.

Um, oh, nice

pod. Ping. Shot it into the index. Immediately created, created the entry, perfect. And then they allowed me to put a pod role. So I put a pod role in there with all your

other all your other books, all your other

books, other short stories. Yeah, no. Yep. So it was great, good interface, great, great experience. I

will be listening this Buzzsprout. I will be listening to this audiobook on my walk right after the show with Phoebe. And

I think so I'm doing Buzzsprout next. And I think our rss.com and Buzzsprout both require you they can, they can tag it as an audio as a medium equals audiobook, you, but you have to just tell you have to contact support and ask them for it.

I was just about to ask, did you do that?

I did. I just contacted Alberto, and he was like, he said, done.

Let me just check. Let me say, just verify. Oh,

trust, but verify good

ideas Medium. Medium equals audiobook, beautiful, yes, sir, good job. You need to have their background music equals banjo

tag for Banjo. Banjo tag. We

want to thank Harv hat for boosting in during the show with 17,776 SATs, a big independence boost. Silas on Linux has been boosting all day long. 500 SATs from fountain. Just an idea. Adding text into the funding tag to be displayed in a button would be would that be too much like if the podcaster decides to put donate or support, or if they want to link to a charity or something else, text for the button itself, or description of some sort interesting idea, it's already there, is there? There's

already a textual component to it. Oh, is that true? Yeah. I mean, like the funding, there's a link text fund, you have a link, and then you have the text for the funding for the link.

Let me see, let me see where it's in there already, it's under show info. I'm just looking at curio caster, Owner, info, support links. Oh, yeah, phrase to ask for support, yeah, that would be nice. Real estate is always tough. Real estate is always tough on on the apps, though, yeah, for sure, we got

Fill me in on what you're talking

about. Oh, so in the you know, just another bug found the fountain was not sending along the the TLV records on a value time

split, yeah, okay, yeah. 1000 stats from

Sam Seth, the true fans has already extended the podcast taxonomy in our app to include a label for AI. We only use this if the hosts are AI. EG, Google notes LM, but they should have it just, just automatically filter it to its own podcast. It's always the same. It's the same. Two people we need. Someone gave me, sent me a they uploaded a manual for their Sony head unit for their car stereo. No way.

It's hilarious.

Super funny. I can play that as a podcast. I

can play a little bit.

So, yeah, you're about to install a new car stereo. Tools, ready, assignment building.

But there's something hilarious right in the beginning. Wait for

it before you toss those instruction manuals aside. Yeah, hold

on, hold on. Don't do that. We're

actually diving into that often ignored treasure trove of knowledge today with the Sony Xav 1500 e manual. Yeah?

Because honestly, those manuals are way more interesting. Oh

yeah, they're way more interesting. Now wait for it like it's

not just about connecting wires. It's about unlocking a whole world of features and understanding the tech that's shaping the modern driving experience. It's

true. And this Sony manual, well, let me tell you, it doesn't disappoint. I mean, where else are you gonna find a warning about not eating batteries? Right off the bat? Seriously,

page one, safety precautions, and boom, there it is. Do not ingest the battery.

That that is actually pretty good. That was the

first funny thing AI has ever generated by itself without even trying to be funny. That's what made it so good. He just got 5000 from C loss on Linux. Well, there you go. Lol, I didn't know it had a texting already. Didn't want to look through the tag specific on my phone and hadn't used the funding tag yet. Just came to mind. Okay, brother, no problem. Thank you, Eric. PP, for your 3333 we move on to, let's say Sam set the right. Not all AI needs to be labeled. Thank you,

Well, what is that?

I don't know. Permissionless conference sounds like another Bitcoin Conference. Probably

permissionless three. I've not heard of that. Yes

is the answer. No, no, yes, and then we're into the I do a pre stream. So a lot of people boosted for the pre stream stuff and missionless three

from block works. Oh yeah, there's a conference for founders, application developers and users. Yes, yikes. No,

all right, why don't you tell me what kind of boost you got there? Uh, Dave,

oh, I guess. Well, I forgot, I left the office and forgot to write down the PayPals this morning, and so I'm gonna have to they're all mixed in. So I'm gonna have to read them off my email, which I hate. So let's see my Michael Goggin, $5 these are the monthlies and the and the one timers. Yeah, they're mixed. Yeah. Michael Goggin, $5 thank you, Michael. Uh. Jorge Hernandez, $5 Charles current, $5 Christopher reamer, $10 thank

thank you, Archie.

I wonder if that's, I wonder if that is pseudo or, I'm sorry, what's his handle? You know Archie that helps assist admins for Mitch and the pod verse Boy,

oh, I don't know his handle. It's like su pipe. Pipe, yeah. Su pipe. Pipe, find the device.

Super. Pipe, right? Uh, Jordan dunville, $10 and thank you. Jordan. Uh, drip. Scott, $15

thank you.

Thank you. Dr. Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Chris bernardik, $5 and that's it. That's our that's our PayPal so I can get some boost. So

thank everybody. Appreciate it so much.

Let's see. And okay, this is how Pro I am now, uh oh, that I realized that I forgot to send the boosts before I left the office. And I did that while we were talking about grippipe, wow, pulled out my laptop, remote, it in to the office machine. No, to my to the to the server. Pipal server, yeah, instant thing, well, and you never even knew it. No,

I had no idea. Just like I do those end of show ISOs, you never know I'm doing it. I never even know

the beauty of audio, yes. Cole McCormick, 2222 he says, Dave, the magic of mid journey is not that it spits out something pretty decent the first time there's a new type of creative process you need to experiment with. It's not just about variants. Use the blend feature and describe look at how it describes your personal images and craft your prompts based on that, give it specific instructions on how the logo is shaped. If you use, if you used quote, a logo for unquote, then

and working hard. Oh yeah. Just really, yeah, we had asked them to give, give the dev some grace, and

he did. And he's he finishes by saying, all love. So yes, thank you. Gene, appreciate that brother. Chris lass, that's Chris from Jupiter broadcasting, yeah, 20,000 SaaS through fountain. He says, just wanted to say, I really appreciate the work you guys do behind the scenes for for the US podcasters out here also, plus one to the idea of putting the on chain

It's a good idea. I just opened up. Yeah? He just sent me an email. Chris is like, Hey, man, can I have a big boy channel from the index, big boys,

I'm no kind of man, yeah,

we opened a big boy channel to to Chris over there at Jupiter, because he's getting a lot of boosts on that this week in Bitcoin show. So good. Yeah, Chris,

last again, 20,000 SAS they found. He says, in my humble opinion, we have let the crypto skeptics get inside our heads. I think as a community, we should lean into the fact that boosts are powered by a Bitcoin. As a small business, I'm grateful to have support and a hard asset. It's helped me fight inflation and keep my head above water. Bitcoin is an intelligence test, and I don't need everyone in the world listening. I want a great audience, but not the biggest

gonna disagree really with my part with with the Go Go podcasting. No, I'm gonna disagree with that. We should only be showing boosts in SATs. I think some apps can any app can choose whatever they want to do, but I think there's a bigger audience. And here's a Bitcoin podcast. So I understand. I think we need to have, I'd love to have both, some show both, most don't. I think in order to get the general audience in you need to show fiat money. So I'm just,

That's, I think we're gonna end up with both solutions anyway.

Oh, I hope so, yeah. I want both for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Gene bean, not. Who is not? Gene Everett, 1337, through. Cast O Matic, he says, Gravatar is still a thing that's widely supported.

Yeah, yeah, I agree we can put it in.

Gene bean again, 1337, the cast O Matic, he says, For this banner and other extras for the feed, why are we reinventing things? If we want to make something easily consumable for sharing in many other things, we should start with Open Graph as the base, a schema that's already, a schema already exists, that supports many things, and could be extended to have a podcast namespace, a lot structured data under Data under a podcast namespace. How would that work? Open Graph in RSS?

Now that's an interesting thought. I have to think about that.

So guess, I'm guessing he's saying define an OG namespace, an Open Graph namespace, is there one already?

I don't know for some reason, it might be open

graph name, space, XML, Open Graph namespace, declaration, do, I don't there's an XML and S for it, but I'll only see it used In an HTML content XHTML context. But to look at the names, I have to look at the XML, XML and s documents worth looking up, because it is a pretty neat idea, yeah, because then you could just stick that in there, yeah. Okay, onward.

I gotta get you out. Onward. Oh, yeah,

let's see. Where are we at? Gene bean again, through fountain 2222 says, Come on, Adam, leave your hatred of liberals and politics in general. To other shows. This is podcast boardroom, not a political podcast.

What did I do

libtards on the last show?

Oh yeah. But I was, I was actually being super kind by giving Rachel Maddow. Know as a prime example and trying to help her. Okay, all right, well, gee, sorry, didn't know you were so please.

Anonymous, 5000 SATs go podcasting.

Thank you, anonymous.

Let's see Anonymous. Anonymous podcast guru user 250 sets. Kara Fraser is a badass.

Oh, that was a the song I think I played. Wow, that's

from an old episode. Yeah, that's from episode 189. All carrot, no stick, yeah.

People go back and check stuff, man, that was how it goes. They're

back cataloging us. Uh oh, here we go. Delimiter, com, blogger 23,000 savage fountain Howdy, fellow Bitcoiners, Adam and Dave. Today, I'd like to encourage your Bitcoin savvy audience to donate to the podcast hosted by Adam curry curry and the keeper. Yeah. [email protected] available at www dot curry and the keeper.com they need your Bitcoin to rise on the V for V leaderboard. So don't hesitate. Please send them some bitcoin Satoshis yo CSV,

that's right, you know, curry and the keeper is often in the top 10 on fountain. I'm very proud of that. We've we've gotten our audience to to step up. It's good. It's good.

We were fate. We were this year was fading, but now we've staged a comeback. We have.

And I just want to welcome Matthew, who was going to be hired by Libsyn, who will apparently be interacting with the 2.0 folks. That's the way it was brought to us. So Matthew hit me up and we'll get you a podcasting next. Our social login

we have. We'll have Matthew on the show. There you go.

Excellent idea, Dave. I gotta get you out, brother, I gotta get you back to work. Otherwise, you know, these board meetings who might have a strike can't have that

strike. Yes, yes. All right.

I think we solved a lot of stuff today. We

did. We did, once again, the board meeting is genius. Have a great weekend, brother. No, you mean you too and everybody in the boardroom. Thank you very much. Join me on my social network, hashtag, Adam, we'll see you next week. Good.

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