Episode 191: We Love Wonky

Podcasting 2.0 for August 30, 2024, episode 191, we love wonky. Hello everybody. It's Friday. Once again. What a board meeting we have planned for you. Just take a look at your handouts. We have quite the agenda, because this is where we discuss all things podcasting, all that has been, all that isn't all that ever will be. This is the only place you need to be. Of course, it's best to be hanging on the boardroom live. We are the only boardroom that does non director outreach

that's only if I meet all my metrics, your

KPIs, your metrics. You gotta do a couple live shows. We got your merch. Your merch is on there. Your merch. My listener,

listener, aggregate or acquisition targets, yes, oh, mats, my lats. I'm doing my lats. Yes. Did

you get your GM?

What is my guaranteed minimum?

Guarantee minimum? Yes, yes, it'll give you the guaranteed minimum.

I'm struggling with the rodecaster here.

I've got to Oh no.

I need See, I need you. I need you super loud in my headphones, okay, but I don't want myself super business. That's horrible. Never do that again.

What's going on? Well, am I coming in on a channel? So if I crank Jack my channel, man, Jack my channel, see what's gonna make

it's already jacked. It'll go and so if I crank my headphone volume up, then I hear myself really loud, really loud, huh? I need you. Well, okay, so

what the the fader that's open that has me, right? That's the chat channel. Okay, now, now press the button above it, the little rubber button left tech support, yes, yes, and press the rubber button and you see their level

and negative 12. DBs, okay,

well, I should never be at negative 12. I mean, if anything, I should be at 11 plus 11. Okay, all right, we're good. How is that? Is it working, working, working, working, working, working, working, working,

did that work that it sounds amazing. Okay, you're

welcome. Much. You're welcome. You can now boost me, boost me for that live tech support. And

so I can say I can turn myself, Oh, that's so much better. Yay, yay. You're at par. Now you're a

par. Oh, good. Well, you're

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biscuits, beautiful. Yeah, I saw two stories this week, and you know, it's this new marketing, which is, oh, shocker, it's lying. The Kelsey brothers mega deal cements new era for podcasts. What new era? They've got a guaranteed minimum, and they can make up to, up to, up to, this is all based on advertising. I'm sure they're getting a lot of money and guaranteed minimum, but that's going to be limited. This is all marketing, and it gets everyone all jacked. I still

sports in general, I mean, that's the only thing that still makes any money. But

I was hearing, I was hearing a whole report on CNBC the other day as I was driving back from San Antonio to get my real ID driver's license San Antonio, San Anton, and the league is now allowing some teams to take private equity money, which has been, really, yeah, that it's never been allowed before. So, you know, people are going to sell is billions of dollars will be made. Private

equity is just their their lights out, right? I mean, they just been gobbling up everything they can. They're so desperate for money since the since rates went up. I mean, they're just trying to, they're buying, they're buying stuff that just doesn't make any sense. Now, in

fact, there's a lot of people that say that the next crash could come from private equity money.

It would not surprise me. Yeah, they're so desperate for a return. Hey, is that

you crackling? Or is that me? I hope it's not me. No,

that you may have heard me have my mouth full with no,

no, no, I'm hearing something weird coming through the channel. Sometimes the rodecaster just takes a nutty it's happened about four times, and then you have to reboot the whole thing. You see. Next, I'm hearing it now.

The next time it happens, it's toast. It's just, it's not coming back. No,

don't I think it's me, Dave, let me see 1212 I might have to let me see one two bounce it. Well, no, it's only, it's only when you're talking maybe it's yours. Is it mine? You want to do a simultaneous reboot,

let's double bounce. Okay,

hold on. I'm gonna stop, and we're back. Man, sorry about that. Yeah, it happened. This is now the fifth time. I'll keep track of it.

Your, your your road. I hope you have a backup road caster in the freezer, because this thing's going it's, it's gonna die. No,

no, I will have the duo which, which is in the road kit, which I have to test tomorrow because we're leaving Monday for my birthday trip to Mexico. That's right, but we will be doing shows, so it's not really vacation. And you know, I had, I gave my audio sigma pod mobile to to Jimmy and Annette, and because they wanted to, like a backpack studio. And even though, you know, the levels were too hot and they're the room what, you know, they just did it like basing the kitchen,

you give it away? I thought you needed something to test the curry one with. Well,

he's going to be my he is my beta tester, so he's going to test it, okay? And also he needs it because he's got a duo at the church, and they built a studio. But, you know, you know, they travel, and so he's a kid, so, but it amount, I kidded him out. Yes, indeed. So anyway, we were talking about that. What are you drinking? Lacroix pure. Oh, yes. Very

so many ways to announce $100 million deal without actually spending any money whatsoever.

Well, I just did that. You will make up to up to $100 million with this podcast, is obvious. And the one that was that was really a piece of, you know, as far as I'm concerned, propaganda, which came in directly through Bloomberg, was pods are pod is dead. What is that? Oh, you didn't see this article that was all over the social podcasting evolved away

Did you see the NPR Joy czar? Joy czar? Yes. Well, I have a czar of joy no, yes.

Where would I find said czar?

Uh, it's a Bloomberg story.

Bloomberg can't, you know, so they have a so they can't afford a podcasting crew, but they hired a joy czar.

Yeah, this was in,

oh, you're right. Here it is, National Public Radio confronts election season with a joy czar.

And this is from, evidently, an internal memo leaked over to Ashley Carmen, and she says, This is dumb. So, so here's the, you know, the thing about NPR is we wondered, you know, allowed a while back, like, why? What's their strategy? Yeah, their strategy is clear. Is clearly it's gone from try to grow your audience more diverse, to keep the

of course, radio's dying. We are that's big secret joys. All

this supports our broader goal to better understand. And serve the curious, an audience that reflects the full diversity of America and where we see enormous potential for growth across platforms that we can't

If you're, if you're able to alienate the left, then you've really screwed the push. I mean

that, according to that story in The New York Times, that's basically the issue there. They've gotten so hyper left partisan, and they've they've painted themselves into a corner. Now, because they don't, they've alienated so much of the rest of their potential audience that all they have left is just sort of like this very political United States political left, and so now they have to do things like a point

So this is the first big move, I guess, by the new CEO, Catherine Meyer.

I guess strong move. Guess very strong.

Yeah. Great move, Kate Katie, I'll just call it Katie Katie. So the couple of interesting things going on since our last board meeting, I do have some reports. Did everyone get the

handouts I've got mine. Okay?

I have the power with the power with me to just take one off the top and pass it on

the head. Two calls. I'll start with the Zebedee call I had today.

Yes, the call that I desperately wanted to attend but could not, because I had a meeting. Well, that's okay.

It was, it was a short, you know, we had half an hour planned, and Katie, who, who is the Zebedee lady, you recall the one that you met at Ben's a Bitcoin who is who listens to this podcast, I might point out. So she got her call out. Hey, Katie, she also hit me with an in the morning, which was like, whoa, okay. Oh, wow, that's strong. Chief Technology Officer from

Zebedee, also not the CEO of NPR.

No Ben the CTO and Andre the CSO, which I think is Chief strategic officer, Strategy Officer, Chief Safety. No, no, he's not safety. No, he was. He seemed more like a strategy guy and very familiar with what we're doing, of course, because Zebedee is the is the wallet provider for fountain and for Wave Lake and very friendly, friendly group. Nice call. We missed you dearly. I think I represented well enough they're they're very familiar with what we're doing.

I've been on so many of these calls with you. Well, buddy says, How can we help? Let me get my let me get my. Hold on,

hold on. Let's get my remarkable right. Here, I have some notes.

I will tell you exactly how you can help. And

I did, and I said, Hey, what we really need is we need an API for the podcast apps to be able to talk to so that we can do value for value I talked about. And it turns out it's actually interesting. They had, they had created a whole key send infrastructure and their API, which they never used. And when fountain came along, they were like, Oh, crap. Well, yeah, so Ben was like, you know, the tech guy is, like, I was so

wait, wait, let me, let me guess what that means. MTL, minimum transaction limit, not

even close, money transmitter license, yeah. Ah, so they have money transmitter licenses, and so, you know what? I went for the full jugular. I said, what I really want is I want an API so every podcast app can say, Hey, you want a wallet. Click here and that, and it creates a wallet right there for you don't have to go anywhere. Yeah. And they said, Well, we have that. That is, in fact, what fountain and what wave Lake have. Now, what's interesting, I learned a little bit about their

And terrorism checking

as a service. Terrorism, task, terrorism as a service? Yes, they I gotta write that down. Task, but that, you know, they have a pretty hefty fee for that on a monthly basis, which is $500 to which I said, that's fantastic. 99.9% of our app developers cannot afford that. No, there's no way. No, I said that. There's no way. And I said, You know what we had with Albie, and before that, lmpay, and before that, even with Sphinx, and the stuff that we've had has been, you know,

Now, is this something that they're having to create, or is this something they already have? I

think I'm I think they already have the OAuth two, okay, yeah, which I'm like, Okay. I mean, that is does. And I just pretend that I knew what I was talking about. Well, that sounds great. And what would you have said, Dave in the meeting? I'm

just thinking this through because so Oscar is essentially doing the same. He's going to do a demo of he emailed us about it this morning. He's gonna do a demo of the fountain. Excuse me, of strike,

just as if I can just say as a side, side note, okay, boardroom, I hear you all right. It was like, Well, you shouldn't do a Gmail, that's how they get you. But hey, we just, we're just trying to move this forward, and if and everybody should still be able to be sovereign and do whatever you want, fact of the matter is, people feel very comfortable logging in with Gmail. In fact, I do it sometime. I have a Gmail account just for that chat, GPT. Log in with Gmail. I don't use

Sorry, so signing up so you would get you would go sign up for a wallet, and you can connect your app. To that, yeah, through, through. So, you know, the thing that Oscar is building is a demo is doing that exact thing with,

with strike. Strike, yeah, I told them. And

so, if you like, it would be nice, oh, basically an OAuth connection to strike. What would be, you know, if there was a standardized connection so you could switch around, yeah? So, like, you know, I'm so, I'm imagining, you know, cast O Matic, right? If cast O Matic says, you know, says, Okay, well, you want to do one, connect your lightning wallet and say, Yeah, this is, well, okay, which one you want strike,

Zebedee, right, right, right, right, right. Nice. You

know, in it, that's so it'll be interesting to see what Z like, what Zebedee thing looks like, and then compare that to what strikes. Thing strikes, yeah, looks like. And then we could make it simple. Well, yeah, like, I'm considering, you know, I'm I'm thinking that I could take what those things look like and sort of like, put it into a document that says, the OAuth, the OAuth thing should be the same. That's

really made me smile is that they so again, they're they've been doing games mainly, but they have an internal strategy for value, for value, for as many things as possible. So I can see this being connected to posts, to, you know, activity, pub, all kinds of things. Yeah, and I think that's good. I like that they're doing that. I think that's really good. It was a very fun, happy call, very nice people.

So the $20 is, like, that's, that's what is. Where does that mean? Like, where does that go to them? No, I mean, yeah. Well, to charity,

yeah. But, well, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's still like, does

that mean, does that mean caste O Matic has to pay $20 a month or something

every No, no, no, no. Just cast O Matic, just customatic for some sort of

developer license, yeah.

And of course, they have to, you know, you the developer, has to go through a very brief but obvious check, you know, okay, you're a doctor. You prescribe herbs, you do a podcast app on Friday. Okay, you're Italian. Oh, hold on a second. Check the Italian database out the car, yeah. So there's some kind of check there, which they have to do for the money transmitter license. It's just a fact of life, if, if we want to, you know, if you want to complete, what do they call they call it.

They said they had a word for it. Let me look at my notes here. They called it a

embedded wallet. No, that's different, hosted Wallet. So embedded wallet is what Fountain has, and that's your and what wave lake. I haven't done anything with Wave lake, but you know where, basically wave Lake says, Here's your wallet. You've done it all within wave lake, or within within fountain. That's your $500 a month. And I said, I

yeah, I mean, I mean, shoot, I would, I would front the 20 bucks a month. That's

what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You got a problem, yeah, here, Adam, here, curry cash. There you go. Yeah, exactly, right off the bat,

yeah. Franco, you know, Mitch. I mean, I'll be glad to do that as I think this is, this is an interesting this actually is turning out pretty interesting, because which what it sounds like, and we're talking, we have a call with light Spark as well there, um, yes, in a couple of weeks, two weeks or so. Yeah, two weeks or so. And, oh. We're, you know, we'll obviously be talking to them about the same thing. So which, what we could end up with is an ecosystem where you have,

um, roll your own, Albie,

yeah, Albie, which is becoming roll your own, you hook to your own node, yep. Then you have Zebedee is going to pick up the Zebedee crowd, which is already has, like, a game, a gamer activities, which, by

the way, talk about promotion, like, here's all, hello Zebedee gamers, or what, you know, I'm sure they have outreach to their customers. Here's all the podcasts, yeah, here's all the podcasts. And I committed to them because they were, you know, they were clearly like, you know, we want to talk about this. You're looking at him, you're looking at the guy. I will promote the heck out of this. You kidding me? That's my job. And

then, and then you have, sort of the you have this other crowd, which is new podcast listeners that are not tied to that, that will never run their own node, because that's ridiculous in their eyes, and they don't have any experience with this. They could connect a strike wallet like you

Yeah, totally.

This is pretty exciting. I was kind of, I mean, I've been down in the dumps about this stuff. For you've been very dumpy, dear, and just dumping everywhere. I mean, it's like, I know I'm bringing everybody down and but I have, I mean, I've been like, just like, it's not, it's more of been just sort of like tired. Felt like we it felt like we already cut, we covered this ground, and then we got pushed back, and now we're having to, like, retake the bridge again. Yes, I know, I

tired, I understand, but, but it, I

think it actually may end up being being better, a better, more healthy ecosystem now,

well, obviously, you know, the initial idea that you and I had behind this was For you know, you want to be resistance against de platforming, right? Clearly, this is not it, but it's still open for anybody to use their own node,

yeah, see that in you net, you always have that option. So that part solved, right? I mean, if that ever really, if the de platforming actually was an issue that hit you, just spin back up with your own node and you're done exactly,

exactly. So I feel bullish. And you know what? I can't say it enough. Nice team. Nice team. No, really it was. I was like, wow, these are really cool, nice people. You know, I have a strong aversion towards corporate douchebags. And there was none of that, none of that. Well,

me Katie was delight at the at the party. Oh, she's, yeah,

she's the outreach, uh, Zebedee, outreach. So she I said, you reached out, right? Yeah, she did, yeah. And she said, Thanks for the call out on the show. We tracked you down. We got you. That's right, that's right. She's now an honorary board member. So then I had another call this week with uh libsyn's own Rob Walsh.

You have, you've been pounding the pavement this week, doing the work, as I

said, as I said in the opening, we do non director outreach during weekdays.

Non director, you know, so much corporate space is funny. It's

sad, really, when you think about it, it's sad. You want a little report?

I would love a Walsh report. Yeah, wow.

The Walsh report. Yes. So this was a little backstory on the Libsyn podcast. What's that podcast? Called the Libsyn podcast?

It's called,

this is the fee, the hold on the feed. All right,

that thing that's that's literally the intro, but there's not, I don't have enough reverb. Can you give reverb on the duo? Does it have

read? Yeah, it has reverb. But I What's sad about the the rodecasters, I can't put reverb on anything but mics. I can't so I can't put it on you. Because, man, what I love to make you sound like that.

You can't do that. Yeah. Where's, where's my reverb?

Well, you got, it's under Effects, and you got to set it up. And,

no, that sucks. I don't have time for that. You really don't. That means don't do it. No.

So this was in response to Rob on the feed saying that podcasting 2.0 was too much stick, not enough carrot. Maybe it was all stick, no carrot. I don't remember exactly.

More more carrot less stick. Yeah, more

carrot less stick. So we get on the phone, and he came in hot. Oh, he came in hot. Yeah, mother, not quite that hot, but he came in pretty hot. He was very upset about the blatant lies we had told on the show, on in the board meeting. Oh, great that he does understand the tags. And he was very adamant. Said our cap table is okay. We got rid of the Chinese and and we are growing. We're doing fine. I say, you

I think that's, yeah, I know they do, but that's just not, I mean, like, well, well,

and so this is where part of his trouble comes from. And I will say that there's definitely some personality issues not relevant to the board meeting. And it's not my place to to, you know, to get into that. But there's definitely just general personality stuff that conflict, conflict has been going on, probably for years, and, you know. So we started talking about tags, and he was telling me that no one supports

it shouldn't be in that that was that. But I thought he said he came in hot saying he understood the tags and, well, podcast addict supports the live podcast guru and but podcast I'm just, I'm isolating podcast addict because it is always one of the top apps. I mean, it's one of the top apps on Android anyway, allow me to move on. Sorry, I'm I'm just getting now, so you can see, and I, I went into

this call, uh, hearing brother James in my ear. Be quick to listen, slow to speak, slow to get angry. So I was just, I was and Tina said, Who are you talking to? I said, Rob Walsh. Wow. You were really calm and patient is that's say, Yeah, I know, because I was really trying to listen to what he was saying. And I said, you know, not agreeing with the tag is totally okay. And, and I said, and by the way, I don't

Red. Circle, yeah.

I mean blueberry, yeah, blue, oh, sorry, Todd, blueberry. I mean, a lot of a lot of support. And does everyone. Support everything, no but that which gains traction, gains traction. And I said, Really, instead of on your podcast, the feed the place to because he had, he made a big deal about the person tag. He says, My job is to grow our customers feed a show which is, you know, I tried taught, I

I'm saying, I'm saying that the the the author tag cannot, it has it is not serve the same role as the person tag. The person tag can exist at the channel level and at the item level, and it had in it can be multiple it can have multiple instances of it. It can also have, it also has a role so

that, yeah, that I explained, I said, there's a taxonomy, and you couldn't have been assigned people. It doesn't matter. I'm just telling you what he said. I wasn't trying to argue with him. I was just trying to hear what, what his issues were. What

I'm struggling with right now is, though, is this, this, this same thing of, I understand the tags, but, but again, you well, but what he's saying is he doesn't is, is everything he's saying is he doesn't understand the tags like these. He's describing them in ways that don't that aren't accurate. Well,

here, here's what it came down to. I said, Rob, what would really be helpful is, if you are in the GitHub, as these tags are being created, there's, there's discussions that have gone on for years about certain tags, and tags can change, and you know, we're open to it, but you know, there's no participation from Libsyn, to which he said, I'm hiring someone who's going, whose job it is, is going, is to be that. Okay? So, okay, all right. So I said that will be very helpful,

He wants people to stop calling them. That's

kind that's kind of, yeah, kind of what I got out of it. And I under and I understand that I really do, um, and then, you know, to have a podcast, a podcast Standards Project, that says, Well, you got to have minimum of these five tags. It just became, I think, them versus us type deal, which I don't think anyone really wants

to clarify. I mean, we've, we had more, you know, more than one person email us and say, you know, hey, nobody reached out to Marco in any sort of negative way or anything like that. I mean, like it does not the people from the podcast Standards Project felt like we threw them under the bus, which was completely unintended. That's not at all intended. I mean, I thought, No, I was

driving the bus.

Just kidding, just kidding.

I didn't, you know, I didn't think. I didn't think that, that that we did that, but if we did it wasn't intentional.

Well, so let me just take this a little bit further. Um,

everybody's just trying, let me, let me say this. Everybody is just trying to do the thing that's best for the people that for their own community. And I mean this Yes, an accurate use of the word community,

yes, yes, nailing it through. Through this show,

through Lipson the feed show, the feed through that show, Rob is talking to his community, yes, and he is trying to affect a particular response from them, to settle them down, to stop asking for these things that he can't give them. So the podcast standard projects is talking to their community, which is the hosting companies that they hope to get on board with 2.0 in order to standardize their efforts to make everybody sort of like put put everybody on the same set of tracks.

Yes. And so his main gripe is, overcast doesn't use them. The biggest apps don't use it. I said, Well, you know, Apple just added the transcript tag, so yeah, and we added it right away. I said, you're kind of making my point for me, because these things take a long time. I mean, I remember the conversations about a show notes tag in the original RSS spec, which, you know, became, it became, I think that out of that

they support quite a few tags. Now, of course,

of course they do. Of course they do. And I would they support chapters.

They support pod ping. They just added them. They added one, a couple. They support transcripts like they there's a lot of Yeah, stuff that they support. So where

we kind of left it is, look, please participate. Join us. You know, join in, at least on the GitHub again. He said he tried to hire someone. Now he's hiring someone, and in two months, they'll be in Okay, that's great, and we welcome the feedback. We really do, even if it's, I mean, I don't participate in the GitHub because it riles me up, and I'm not good at it, and I just, it's like, you know, I'll take the

yeah, like, one click add to their direct Yes,

but it's not just add to their directory. It's add and agree to Terms of Service. And okay, and he and what. And to his credit, he says, You know, I have negotiated with these parties. And, you know, some had really bad terms of service where they can do whatever they want. And, you know, basically Spotify, can advertise and do all kinds of things. And so the more I'm listening to this, the more and

That's so broke my heart that's sad, yeah, and, and so

the more I think about it, the more broken this podcast industrial complex appears, because you do have to sign. I mean, I never liked that you had to have an Apple account. And of course, with Apple, you have to sign a, you know, you have to agree to their EULA, or whatever it is, to get your podcast day. And I won't do it anymore. I mean, no agenda's been there forever. This show was put there without us agreeing to anything someone else put it in which you'd think

that's what the index is for. Yes, sir. There are no Terms of Service. I mean, if you put a feed out there, we're eventually going to find it and we're going to stick it in the directory, stick it in if you want to stay, if you want to stick it in before we get there, then you can go ahead and stick

is, I think this is a repeat, because they re aired this. This is old, yeah, but okay, yes,

it is, it is, it is a, is a very cut down re repair of of an episode from last year about Apple's role in podcasting. So it's, it's funny because it's outdated, and then to look back now, knowing what we know about the inflated download numbers that Apple podcast app was causing, yeah, and so like raw, it's interesting that Rob was, was the guest, sort of guest interview on that show. And he mentions in there that, like seeing something like 440, 6% or

know exactly what. I know exactly what clip you pulled now.

So this without having listened to it, really, I think so. I think so. Yeah,

but, you know, it was not overall, not it was just a repeat of of, I think we covered this episode with the last year when it came out. But, um, it's, you know, tying your just like what you're saying, tying yourself to Apple or Spotify or these companies in a way where you won't do anything until they do it first. That's not, that's not podcasting in this this, it's not, it's not true to the spirit of podcasting. Todd. Todd and Rob had a great show Wednesday on the new media show. And I know

I was trolling along. It was great. You were

all over, causing them all kinds of grief. But he, you know, Todd talked about, he used the term hold the line on RSS and in I think he's, I think he's right. He you know, we got, we've got, we've got to hold the line, or you're going to look back in a few years and it's just going to be YouTube and Spotify, and there's not going to be anybody else.

I'm pretty sure blueberry integrates and does stuff though. I mean, these guys have to do it,

sure, but I may be right. You had Yeah, but I'm saying like he's, he's talking about making an investment into and they're going to start promoting video podcasting, yes, in order to to begin the process. And he said it's a

same thing that's made podcast technology a little wonky and a little random has also kept it on this different path than other digital media. It was coded by techies to solve a delivery problem and then given a home by Apple to sell hardware and for listeners, well, we can subscribe to a gazillion podcasts for free from the App of our choice. What could possibly go wrong?

Yes, I think, I think she, she did a beautiful job of summing up podcasting. It was created by techies to solve a delivery problem. Podcasting at his heart, is not an is not an industry. What we've been saying for forever. You know, if you go into broadcast, if you go into broadcast, radio and television world, that was a that was a club, because you have to have FCC licensing in order to get the spectrum you

you can't monetize the network, yes.

And so this, you know, I she said, you know, she said that podcast was created by techies to to solve a delivery problem, a content delivery problem, and then it was adopted by Apple to sell hardware. That's what Apple's role in podcasting was, and still continues to be. Well,

they have, there's one extra thing they brought, because they did create a I had an index iPod or.org and they created an index which enabled them to solve quote, unquote solve, although it only solves it for them, the one click subscription,

but that see and with and that was capture. That was actually capture. That was capture because you that that that Apple's directory was only available publicly in a public API form because their app required, yes, it was never intended to be available for other apps to use. Exactly it

listen one more time. The

same thing that's made podcast technology a little wonky and a little random has also kept it on this different path than other digital media. It was coded by techies to solve a delivery problem and then given a home by Apple to sell hardware and for listeners, well, we can subscribe to a gazillion podcasts for free from the App of our choice. What could possibly go wrong? Two. Yeah,

it was, it was, she said it at the very beginning. It's a little bit wonky. Yeah, it is. And guess, guess what? The name, the podcast namespace, it's a little bit wonky, because everything in podcasting is a little bit wonky, because that's the way that this stuff works. And we love, I mean, yes, we love one. I mean, he's we love, yeah, well, I mean, I love Ted over to Apple. I think the apple podcast team. I think the apple podcast team is probably the best team inside of all of Apple

corporate goals, and there's processes and everything. Yes,

and so you're, they, they're, they're a participant in podcasting, but you, you cannot rely on them to be the leaders of podcasting, and if you wait on them to do stuff, you're that's just, that's, that's completely antithetical to the core concepts of what, of what podcasting is, which is open delivery and wonky and available everywhere, right?

But that's, it's antithetical to an industry, and an industry has been created around it, which, let's face it, really, really took off during covid, and covid is gone, and it's time to time to go back, time to go back. Time to go back to the wonky stuff. And something will hit, something will happen, and it'll have another resurgence. Here's

the reason I said all that bowling it down is because the podcast namespace here. Here's what I feel about this in relation to like to to rob. I get his concerns about specific tags. I may not agree with him, but I get his concerns, and he's and he's entitled to them. It's fine, but look, try to look past these individual things within these tags, the tags themselves function the way they're

intelligent people understand this. And in fact, Dvorak says that we will get a Nobel Peace Prize for the index.

I expect one. I've already got us cleared out of space on the wall for where it's gonna hang

Exactly. I think it's a more metal. I don't think it's actually something you can you can still

frame that. Frame the metal. It's frameable. It, you know.

But you're so right. And I love going on a call with the people from Zebedee, and said, let me just, you probably know this, but I just want to explain Adam and Dave are doing this for our legacy. Because we love podcasting. We love it's, it's, it's not a hobby. It's like something you just do. It's like being an altar boy for the church. You know,

that's a fraught bad example. Bad example,

avoid. Avoid. It's doing something for the community. You know, you we're doing something because it's the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do. People, yeah, and, and, and, I think I can speak for both of us. We love doing it.

It's the right thing to do, but it's not a, it's not a of a, it's not a doomsday mission. It could, it might work. That's the thing. Oh, I

think it is worth No, I think it is working. You kidding me? Look at what we've achieved.

Yeah, and if it does work, then, then, hallelujah, we all win. Everybody win.

Yes, exactly. And when I look at things like, I love what they're doing over at pod page, you know, here's a website company, and dude, I love, you know, curry and the keeper, we built our website. Tina built it. And she's someone who's worked a lot with Wix and, you know, Squarespace and all this stuff, building nonprofit websites throughout her career, and she was able to go in and says, Oh, look at all this stuff, and they're adding 2.0 features into their website. Wix

hold on, careful. My phone is wonky.

December.

Hold on. Let me just double check December. December. December

16, at antones in Austin, there will be a value for value concert.

Oh, do tell Well,

I just did

give you some details. I mean, like, well, who's doing? It's

the Costello's and it's open mic, and I'm going to be there. I might be emceeing it. I know we're going to have a meeting, but it's just like, hey, let's just book it, and we're going to get people in them and try and get Suzanne Santo in there, and when it's going to be another V for V concert, I mean, this is, this is beautiful. She really is. It's just, it's fantastic that these things can happen. I mean, yeah, okay, it's very small, the value verse of music. But is it

here's, here's. We also live in a world where people, quote, unquote, launch products, yes, yes, exactly. That's not what this thing has ever been, no, no and marketing, yeah, V for V, 2.0 but names, but none. This stuff was never launched. It, it was, it's it has grown. It's festered. You know, yes, I'm

also going to resend the quote, invention of podcasting. I think we just discovered it.

I don't think anything like electricity, yeah,

I don't think it was invented, you know, Weiner and I didn't invent it. We discovered it. We discovered it. It's much more fair.

It's like Michelangelo. It was always in that block of granite. All

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is one that I've been waiting for. It's been hard to be patient, but it's something that we can't ignore. Don't you know? Don't you know, don't hear you so much. In tomorrow's destination, standing for beyond the star. Love, where the light is everlasting, while you're Waiting for alone while you're Waiting. Don't be afraid.

Good Bye. Door full diamonds, I see him in your eyes, and I will be on the door full verse, Tuesday, September 17, live. Oh, nice, yes, I think I'll be playing my, my, Theremin, I'll be jamming you laugh. Dave Jones, you laugh, you laugh, you laugh at me.

Yeah, not. Great song, guys, great song.

The activity, pub, bridge, interesting to you want to hear a tidbit? Yeah, the activity pub bridge had a problem. That's not, that's not the tidbit.

Because, like, tell me, somebody don't know, okay, yeah,

the activity pub bridge is having some sort of problem where it's not notifying people of certain episodes. And I don't, I don't yet know exactly what the issue is. I started looking at it, but I don't, I can't tell yet. I'm just, I'm just digging around in the database. The way it works is it keeps there's essentially, there's, there's, there's more

here we go. Finally get to the tidbit. Here's the tidbit

is there are 4145 active followers on the pre on the bridge. Wow, that's pretty good. Yeah, over 4000 people on the fediverse. Wow. These are active, yeah, these are verified where it went, where there was a three way handshake. 4145 fetaverse activity, pub, people, nice podcast.

Oh, that's pretty good, actually. That feels like a lot, yeah, it does not bad for your podcast app,

yeah? And I feel like this is an, and I feel like I feel like this is a, you know, another sign of things are changing, you know? I mean, if you go back five years ago, gosh, even a year ago, the you know, Twitter was, was the

it's too bad that x just cut everybody off with the API shutting down. Yeah, it was chop going chop. And I think that's gonna hurt to hurt X long term, the future is open. The future is small.

I don't think I could ever, I don't think I'll ever be able to call an X. It's just dumb. Well, all

right, I have on my list, aggregator, dB. You said it was a potential board topic, so here I am bringing it up. Oh yeah,

oh yeah,

oh yeah. I

take notes.

Let's see I got a thing over here. Oh, I got a thing. Let's see. Boost,

I don't know why I did that, but it felt right.

I don't either. I just kind of weird. But, um, yes, each, you know, the aggregate, the aggregator, so bear let me back up. Barry,

uh, Dutch, Berry, Dutch master Barry,

Dutch master berry built some new pod pain code, oh, oh,

all right.

Let me see if I can pull it up. I want to link on a link to what he's got, or a verb. This is a verbal link. I want to verbally link to what he has. Where is it? Come on, Barry, pop up my timeline. Brother, okay, yeah, here it is. So it's, he open sourced it, and it's a pot. It's a C is built in C Sharp. And it's a way to, a way to to pull pod ping. I mean, it's like the hive watcher. Yeah, you're pulling pod ping

wait. Can you get that to me again? I'll put in the show notes. Yeah,

it's uh, github.com/bm, like. Bowel movement, a, l, u, i, j, b, slash, Hive, pod, ping, a, p, i, all one word

that's marketing right there, baby. It is. Yeah,

it fits with our standard mark. Yes, it does. So he, um, so anyway, he started talking about his database and stuff and his app database, and it got me, I've been have had this idea for a while, and the idea here, he brought it back up to me, because the our database is our biggest bottleneck. We just basically can't We can't it can't keep up, right? The speed required to write, the number of transactions we're trying to do at any given time is just so high. And so the aggregators. If

it's performance enhancement.

Just It is, yeah, it's for four. It's a list, a little blue pill for servers. And so, I mean, I feel like, I feel like that might be a now, that's going to take some some, some work, but I feel like that's maybe where we need to go. And Barry asked about, he said he made a comment about wanting to, want to hear what we're paying for stuff. And I kind of ran the looked at the bill and our here's a couple of

we have a Cloud Flare

bill as well. Yeah,

that's $95 a month. Oh, that's not bad. So that's like, well, they used to be cheaper, but then we had to do the the custom certificate, yeah, our V for V lightning thing that that tracks all the lightning nodes off the of all the lightning transactions and handles boosts and all that kind of stuff. That's, that's like eight gig and eight gig VM, that's 48 bucks a month. Well, diversion, surge, I

forget we pay for voltage. I think I'm still paying for them. I still pay for it.

And now, like 150 Yeah, we paid for it with Bitcoin last time,

yeah, when we started it up. But I think we're paying for I don't know. I should look at my car. I might, I might be paying for it. I don't know. We'll figure it

out. The person search node is, is a four gig. That's actually a pretty heavy search function, and it's $24 a month. So anyway, that's, it's like roughly $12 for each aggregator node. There's 10 of those $120 so it's around $700 a month right now and then. So that he was just curious about that. He was thinking he may be able to get a cheap figure out. Do it cheaper on Azure or

something? So, yeah, speaking of of pod ping, I had an interesting call this week. Yes, there was another one forgot about it with clicks, clicks, tv.com, C, l, I x tv.com then clicks TV they if you've ever checked into a hotel room in the United States, their channel guide is in 600 million hotel rooms. Then if you go to clicks tv.com c l, I xtv.com you'll see they have a carousel. Are you looking at it?

I am. It's spinning. Yeah, it's spinning mesmerized. Yes,

it'll make you dizzy. So they're their next move. They have an app, and the concept behind their app is you turn on the TV in the hotel room. You're like, you know, I don't want to have to log into Hulu. Don't want to have to log into Netflix. I want to do all this stuff. So you scroll through, you use their carousel. You say, Oh, that looks

That's, that's Brian's thing, right?

And, yeah, it's like the ultimate discovery mechanism. Because I'll just look at it now and I'm waiting for it to load. I've got and stuff is just flying through, right thriving alcohol free scoop, the podcast and the Empire podcast, the spandex

and wine podcast, yes, that's Korean, please.

You know, it's just just all kinds of cool stuff popping in here all the time, and I'll look at this from time. Then let me just check this podcast out, which, of course, should be tied to episodes.fm. Just saying, and they and so we'll be, we'll be talking in a couple weeks there, I think that with the Chief Marketing Officer and the Chief Technology Officer, and that could be a pretty nice discovery mechanism for podcasts. That'd

be great. That's cool. I mean, hey, let me if, if Lipson did nothing else, if they just implemented podcasting,

yeah, wow, wouldn't that be awesome.

I would shut up and go away. Yeah, honestly, I would never talk about it again. I would be so happy. And it's so easy, it's so simple, and they already have the keys because I sent them.

Yeah, that was Yeah. That would be nice.

This is that's pretty neat. Pod ping is an underappreciated resource. Definitely.

I want to make my call out again, please consider implementing the funding tag in your apps. Yes, call it donate, something like that. Don't Don't worry about what it's called as a tag. But give me a donate button so I can send people to your apps and they can support my show by just tapping on that button in app. It's a big deal.

Can we talk about the location tag for a second? Oh, I've

been waiting.

So the location tag is come up before that. Obviously the location tag is meant to specify what the podcast is about. So this is a podcast about Austin, Texas

or but we know how it's now OPT. Isn't there an option now? Well, so that's

what I was going to bring up. I don't I think it came up once before that, the location tag we talked about having an option or optional attribute that says this is not what it's about. This is where it's from. Show is yes, yes, but I don't remember where we left that.

What I remember is James rescinded after trying to convince everybody that it was purely meant to be what it's about. And I remember him on, I think, pod news weekly review weeks ago, saying, Okay, this should be an option. So you can say this is where it's from, which I think would be handy, honestly.

Okay, so that, so what I was hearing was maybe just a discussion about it on, maybe on, on power. Apply news, weekly review, yes,

gotcha, power, power, power, yeah. I

mean, that's okay. So if that's if there was never, I was thinking there was a GitHub issue about it, but maybe not. Look, this is all just an ulterior motive on my part, because what really, what I really want to do is not have to search GitHub. And if I say it this way, then so the link in the boardroom,

yes, I get it. I think having it by having the option to have it from, this is where it's from, would be very important. I

think so too, yeah, and I think it's actually a big deal, particularly podcasting is going to be local.

Yes, thank you. You. You took the words out of my mouth. Podcasting is going

to be local. We need to have a way to find the local shows. Yes, and I will, and I have, I fully intend to put a local podcast search into the index. Nice. So. That we can find those local shows so that I can say, I want all the show. I want to see a list of shows from Birmingham, Alabama, now if it's not appropriate, see, here's the thing, like, if it's not appropriate to your show, if your show, if you do, if I live in Birmingham, Alabama, and I do, and I do a podcast about um,

boardroom. Hey, wake up. You know, with this one guy in the boardroom who's his eyes are just closed, and he's sitting there silently, you know, he's sleeping, and he goes, say, isn't that right? Nathan,

yeah, yeah, that's right. Adam,

got to turn down the air conditioning keep everybody awake.

Let's be honest, people, always people. People nod off when I talk about databases,

I tased my nuts while you're doing that. Funny enough. Funny enough. Hold on a second. It's the clicks TV. Let me do it again because I didn't want to say, because I was bringing up the website, and if you click on something, then all of a sudden, it gave me that taser. So let me see if I can recreate. There it is.

It sounded like, it sounded like a, you know, you were, like, lighting up a stogie or something.

It was. It's some interface widget they have. Last thing I have on my list is the UMA,

which universal money address? Yes,

have you looked into this? I know you were reading it, so I'm curious what you what you learned? What are you learning? Dave,

I read the website, and can I just bitch for a second?

Oh, baby, hold on a second. And now another bitch from the box. Bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.

You deserve. You choked. Yourself choked.

Yes,

can. It really annoys me when specifications and things are written and and people develop an an a website for a spec, and then they spend the entire, like, 10 pages of material you're trying to get to the actual spec show, show me the code Marketing, yeah, yes, and it's just marketing terminology over and over and over that drives me up the wall. I'm like, I don't care about your marketing. I just need to know what this thing actually does. What is it? Please.

Oh, that's the whole thing,

yeah, but then, but it uma uses lightning on the back end, uma is meant to be a sort of interface into lightning. But I can't, I haven't gotten any farther than that. I mean, it's, well,

Alex Gates was saying he showed me this part of the code. I think it's called vast. So there's some verification that the provider of the the money transmission is an approved, like, money transmitter, or some, some crap like that.

I know I think you're that's light spark stuff. Oh, he

was leaking to light sparks. Oh, all right, all right, this.

But my understanding, the best I can tell, is that this is basically a lightning address, but it's meant to be used by financial institutions. Lines.

Okay? So it does, so it does have a compliance element to it. Eric PP saying, as is ln, URL pay with compliance added.

Yeah, right. It's pretty much the exact same thing as a lightning address, but it's meant to be used by banks so they can layer on their compliance. And then this, you know, so, like, in the same way that you have, like a cash was a cash tag, like, in a cat in cash, yeah, or a strike username in straight and they all the, all these things look like email addresses, kind of, yeah, I think this is supposed to be the standardized version of that thing for financial

what I said. That's what I said. Looks like great marketing. That's all I could read from it. I'm like, All right. Marketing looks okay. Like

at the bottom of the page, it says, reserve your uma with one of these companies

today. Oh, yeah. Okay, well enough said,

and I can't find, don't see us anywhere on there, which is, you know, kind of weird. I mean, UK zapo Bank, the first Bitcoin enabled bank to fully integrate traditional finance with crypto. Yeah, I don't know crypto, crypto, crypto, hey, if it works, we'll figure it out. Yeah, but how

about we? Thank some people? Oh, yeah, I guess we could do that. Yeah, we're getting towards that time. Heard a lot of boosts come in.

Oh, okay,

here is Sam. I'm going to think that Sam Sethi, 1000 sets, we want to implement the location from option and link it to Google Maps. This was the discussion James and I had on power, okay, okay, that'll work. That'll work, yep. And he says, Thank you. You know why go podcasting? Go podcasting.

Okay, welcome Sam.

20,000 sat, SATs from Todd Cochran. Hold the line. He says, nice. 2121 salty curry on every time you buy from the grocery store, you put a nail in the coffin of your local producer. Rancher and farmer need help finding one. We have over 150 producers probably in your backyard. Go to beef initiative this and add go to beef initiative.com and start shaking a rancher's hand, either in person or digitally. And by the way, most of them take Bitcoin for beef. It's a win for

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10,000 SATs from Todd Cochran. I'm going to give him a baller now because he's completed that baller. Shot Caller, 20 inch blades only Impala. He says Spotify is the only company that required an integration of a separate feed. The dumb thing is, it's an exact mirror. They said they needed guaranteed feed performance, and we fought it. They are the only one that did this. Oh, and this was before they bought anchor. Okay, that

makes perfect sense, although I will say

that you remember, we had that call with the CEO of TuneIn. Remember that, that jamok?

Oh, yeah, that wasn't the CEO. That was the CEO, somebody else, some

CC suite, something the CSO is a chief. Yeah, right. And, and, you know, man, that was how we haven't used the index, and we would have to get business insurance.

Yeah, remember that? Yeah. And the guy, then the guy

dried up and blew away.

Made us go get business insurance, and then he never did anything. Yeah, so make any money off of it. It was like, anyone has to sign. We had to go through all this back and forth with like red, red marking up and redlining our, oh God, like service and all this stuff. And they were like, we, we need a separate terms of service for just for us. And we were like, No, we're

not, no, we're not doing that. So, but then he had put no agenda into the tune in database, so I, I'd like that show, and it's you, so I'm going to put it in there so I get emails from people. Hey, you know, I was listening to no agenda. I pulled it up on TuneIn, and there were two ads before it.

And oh yeah, I signed

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What links lives in with POD page.

That's a question of the week. Question. You know the answer?

Do no two people who have never been in my kitchen? No.

Dave Jackson,

no. Beautiful.

He says, This is Sam, Dave just yeah, this is Sam speaking. I do not believe libs will hire anyone for podcasting 2.0 or add another tag, unless Apple do they have Dave Jackson, who knows about podcasting two point 2.0 and he left as Rob wanted nothing to do with podcasting 2.0 what has changed since Dave left? Well, I didn't actually talk about that, so I can't speak to that.

And one thing has changed, less payroll.

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Really, did they? What do you mean? They

don't care.

I think they care. They didn't. Maybe they didn't promote it, I

don't know. Maybe

D's laughs, I

did see something about cereal season four, like the creator of it, or the producer of it, yeah, said that her own family didn't even know that it had been released. There

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Yeah. So how is the curry one gonna be a is it gonna be a beautiful mic to look at? Oh,

it's gonna be so beautiful. Okay, yes. Now it's a spitter. That's a when you talk into the two. But we're also going to do a valve mic. That'll be a side talker has a whole strategy.

I split the See, I split the difference. I'm not straight on, but I'm not all the way to the side. I'm like, at a 45 aiming at me side of my mouth, hook, tall. What do they call it? I'm

gonna call it the hook, tall one. Yes,

the hooked. Yes.

I got you faxes, yes, right? And we hit the delimiter so you're up.

We got Chris bernardich. Chris did a $5 a month subscription to. Nice. Thank you, Chris. I appreciate

that. Brother. Very cool.

And that is all the one offs. Wow.

Okay, wow. Yeah, we're

really tearing it up. See, let me resort this by oldest to newest so I can have my sanity, and we'll do some booths. So Brown of London, 11, 948, to cast O Matic,

nice episodes.fm.

Should not use the should not use the GUID, because that would mean actually putting in some effort to look it up. Instead you base 64 the RSS Feed URL straight from a pod ping, because you can make it sound like you're solving a cryptic puzzle from an ancient civilization.

Okay. Just tell me. How is this working? How is it happening? How is he doing it? Doing, what

the lookups the he's

not you, so he's not using GUIDs. He's using

no because then, then, you know, he's not using a good because you have, he's you. You don't have to do the res, the resolving. You can just do it on the fly with and it doesn't really matter for that type of service, because he's not trying to find a canonical show like in a way that links things together. So for a service like that, all that matters is you only need the feed URL you don't know, okay, like, resolve it back to a thing and you

base 64 encode it, just to get rid of all the slashes, yeah,

right, yeah. Like, you are URL encode. It's URL safe, base 64 encoding. Yeah, wow, sexy, yeah. Oh, it's nice, uh, Mere Mortals. Kyron through the fountain app. He says, Great song. Heard it on podcasting 2.0 V for v is the future. That's right.

You got that straight.

McDermott 622, 22 through true fans. McDermott six says, wanted to boost yesterday while listening at the beach, but didn't have any service, so listening. So listened on a 1.0 app that had downloaded it already. Thanks for everything you guys do.

Got it, it happens.

It gave us the one two punch. 1212 Yeah. G anonymous, 3400 SATs through fountain. No note, thank you. G anonymous, appreciate that salty crayon. Happy Labor Day, weekend, boardroom, did you already get this? I

think I did. Yeah,

that was you must have. Well, that was really early. That was really Yeah, you must

have comic strip. Blogger. Next.

Did you do see? You did chat if I miss not seeing all my PC, 2.0 friends.

I don't think I read that one. No,

I'm confused as to the Order, order of operations here. Oh, this is okay, 24 Okay, guys, I see where I'm at. Chad. S is 3333 through fountain. He says I miss not seeing all my PC 2.0 and no agenda, friends. Now that fountain added noster. I know, I know it will get fixed, but even during beta testing, I was still using the pre noster version, so I could see what people were saying about what they were listening to. But now it's just noster bros. So sad face. So I

so it turns out I think that you can zap a show from nostr and then the splits are handled by

fountain somehow.

So it splits it up,

I don't know not, uh, so Oscar said that they have a crash bug in their audio engine and, and I've seen that for sure, of not, uh, fountains been crashing like, oh,

any problems? I have no problems with the new fountain. Works fine,

interesting. It it has crap. Maybe it's because I'm on test flight. Well, I'm

on Android, so who knows what you're using compared to

maybe so because my my fountain has been like, it's been crashing in the background just by waking up and doing background checks. Oh, that sucks. I've been waiting for. He said he thinks they got it fixed and they're about to push out

a fix. Yeah, no, when I say, I hate that. I hate it for Oscar, because that's sucky bug to have, yeah.

So I hope to get a little bit more experience with what he's done here soon so I can talk intelligently about it. Gene bean, 2222 through cast O Matic. He says, I wonder if maybe podcasting 2.0 the people involved, not necessarily this show, could have a booth and a general presence at scale this coming year. It'd be a great fit. Audience wise, HTTPS, colon, slash, slash, www, dot social, Linux

expo.org, let's send Dame Jennifer booth. Babe, yes, you're up. Dame, Jen, you're up. Hi, have you heard about podcasting 2.0 I'm Jen. We need a bat. She needs a badge. Hi, I'm Jen. Ask me about podcasting 2.0

in a basket full of buttons, yeah, large buttons, yeah, and a T shirt. Cannon, walk up to the booth. It's like you get a FA you get a cannon t shirt.

Sorry, Jen, we love you. A boost. Babe, yeah, that's right. Chad, boost. Babe,

that's right.

Pothome, 50,000 SATs. Whoa. Nice. To podcast guru. He says, This is our This is Barry. Barry, Dutch master. Dutch master. Barry says podhome.fm the most modern podcast hosting company, would be honored to be included in the podcasting starter pack. Give six months and give six months free hosting for podcasters. Go podcast. You know, what's

been amazing, hold on podcasting. Almost every single company has reached out to me. Said, yeah, we'd love to offer that. We'd love to be a part of the starter pack.

That's great. Yeah, it is.

You know, all varying offers. But you know, Dvorak's telling me, shut up, stop promoting it. It's going to take a few months, so you better have it done by Christmas, bro. Bruh.

Bruh,

yeah, six months free hosting. That's that's

pretty good. That's good. That's good. Do

I hear a year to get the gauntlet has been laid right? It

has been the slap down.

Gene Everett, 1234, through fountain says, noster sucks. Not really happy seeing this, not really happy seeing this move by fountain. Oh, well, well, give it a shot lifting. But yeah,

really give it a shot. Let's, let's see how it shakes out, you know, and get activity, bridge, pub, bridge and stuff. Let's see how it works out. I'm, I'm withholding my own comment.

I'm not going to say anything critical about nostr until I get my own activity. Pub stuff fixed.

Good point.

That is very hypocritical. Yeah. Good point. McDermott, six back again, 2222 says wanted to boost yesterday. Well, it was the same boost. Why we get that twice? He double. He did a double,

double, double boost, yeah. Uh,

Mere Mortals. Chiron, 111, satchel. Richards, who fountain. He says the future of media is small. Yes. Thank you. Adam, you just encapsulated my jumbled thoughts into a simple, simple sentence, stealing this for future use now,

please. It's open source. Go for it. I'll make a I'll make a GitHub entry. Check

the GitHub repo. That's right. See, Andrew, maybe Andrew Grumman, see, he said 2222 through the wherever app. That's gross. Maybe it was a cigarette. Enjoyed hearing James in the board meeting in reference to Episode 189, AP in umbilical is intriguing. We'll have to take a look at AP, peace,

Oh, okay. Ed Grumman on the case. Careful, everybody. That guy invents stuff.

Kyron again, through mere mortals. Podcast, through fountain, 1111, he says, No. Meetings is the secret to a good life. We've been we've been misled by eight hours of sleep, clean, food, outdoors, exercise and a loving family, yeah,

yes, yes, yes,

let's see I lost my play. Oh, Chris, last here we go. Chris from Jupiter, from Jupiter, broadcasting 20,000

sets the fountain. Hey, nice. Thank you, Chris,

he says, sending a little love from the new fountain update. Well, thank you, Chris, appreciate that

nice,

great show this week in Bitcoin. I love that show,

yeah. Everything he does is high quality, yeah, it is.

I hope people boost him. Boost him. Keep that show alive. People

comment straight. Blogger delimiter, 26,000 SAS fountain, he says, howdy, Bitcoin bros Adam and Dave. This time, I'd like to recommend a financial podcast from www.dhunplugged.com by my Slavic bro, Dvorak and his Jewish friend from Florida, financial advisor Andrew Horowitz. Yo, sincerely, your fellow Bitcoin bro. CSB, PS Adam, could you tell your podcast bro Dvorak to implement at least one podcasting 2.0 feature transcripts? It's vital because of LLM revolution.

Okay, I have actually reached out to Horowitz, and he's on he's on a trip right now, and then I'll be on a trip next week, and we get back together, and I'm gonna see if I can help him get some 2.0 features

going into DH en Bloo, yeah, of course. Can they start by just getting off Feedburner?

I think he's off feed burner. He said that he was off feed burner.

Let me just check right yeah, I'm gonna check right now.

Just check right now. Let's see, yep, you got it? You going in? Delving in? Are

you doing going in February? Select this.

Select asterisk from feeds, where equal let's see DHM, plug.com/feed, that looks. Like it goes to power press. No,

there

you go. Yeah,

you did it. He did it successfully. If they got, if they got power press,

then he's good to go. He's

got the namespace. He's got everything in there. What's

wrong with you? Horowitz,

hey, wait a second. Look at this. I'm looking at this feed right now. Let me, let me just give you a rundown. Oh boy, the DH unplugged feed has, and I quote from the feed,

the feed,

podcast colon license tag, podcast, podcast colon medium, oh, podcast colon, pod ping uses pod ping equal true, where the items I'm looking, looking for items. He's got, they got a lot of 2.0 tags in here now. Oh, okay,

well, that's good, yeah, uh,

Podcast, episode tag, podcast GUID, oh, man, they're fully they're 2.0 complying all the way

down. But he doesn't have a transcript yet, though,

negative, okay, yeah,

okay. It doesn't have the useful ones, just the ones.

But hey, it's the start. Uh, good, good, good, good, good. Okay, I'll be talking to him. We'll take he's even got

the podcast license tag 20. The podcast license that he's declared is 2022 plus. Don't know what that means, okay,

but he's good to go.

We'll get there. Baby steps, yeah, monthly, okay? Michael Kimmerer, $5.33 Thank you trip. Scott, $15 thank you. Pedro gun calvis, $5 and that's our group.

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Yep, that would be the idea.

All right, so I'm off to Mexico on Monday, and then Friday, I will be doing a board meeting. What are you doing this weekend?

Brother? See, it's Labor Day weekend. I've got to put a radiator in my daughter's Nissan. Oh,

sexy, nice.

Oh, let me tell you what I let me tell you what I did. You'll

be wrenching. You'll be wrenching this weekend.

So this is, this is how I consistently shoot myself in the foot last Sunday. And she brought it over to do for me. To do an oil change. Change the oil. Things look great. Checked her radiator fluids a little low, top that off. And then, when I was crawling up under there to put the to put the oil filter in, I noticed that the bumper, her front bumper, was, this is like a 2008 Nissan Xterra. Yeah, the front bumper

like a jalopy. You got a jalopy?

I'm like, hey, if she wants a nice car she bought or something. So I'm like, so I'm like, I just, you know, it didn't look bad. You just kind of just kind of, I'll just, I'll just put a screw

in there. Yeah, yeah, exactly what I thought to the radiator,

didn't you? And I put three screws at the bottom of the radiator.

Good work.

So she calls me the next day. She's like, man, Dad, my car's overheating. I don't know what's going on. I get there, and I'm like, I was like, Oh man, that's weird. So I'm like, it's low on fluid, so I start pouring fluid in, and came right back.

So where did you get the radio? You pick up a second hand radiator. You bought one on Amazon. How does that work? No, my

dad works for Napa. Oh, nice.

Oh, very good. Very good. Yeah, you gotta, you got a family member in the biz. Love

it. So now I gotta fix the problem that I created for myself. Yay. All right, everybody.

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