Episode 190: Chattelle

Podcasting 2.0 for August, 23 2024 episode 190 we're in the chateau. Hello everybody. Once again, it is a Friday. You know what that means? Friday? Fun Day. Yeah. It's time for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything going on in podcasting. There's no other show needed,

trust me, we'll talk about that later. For

sure, we are the boardroom, the only one that doesn't need a balloon drop at the end. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who gives you more feed Id love than anyone else. Say hello to my friend on the other end, the one, the only Mr. Dave Jones,

feed ID. Love,

it was, I misread it. It's by feed ID. Love is what I should have said. Oh,

okay, you made a

new endpoint. Man, you create an end point, and everyone's happy. Well,

it's not technically a new endpoint. It is an improvement to an existing endpoint.

You are so awesome. Dave Jones,

I'm not gonna disagree with you. I'm not gonna fight you on it.

I don't think people tell you enough. You know, it's like people have no idea the work well, some do, but I don't think people appreciate how much you do purely for the love of podcasting, because let's be

here to be appreciated. Hug me.

Okay, baby, come here. Let me take you in your arms. It's all good. That's all good. I I'm very excited today for a couple of reasons.

Okay, give them to me. Okay, well,

in a moment, we have a guest coming up, and it's exciting to have him, and I'm excited to have him on, not so much to have him on, but to have him on at our regular board meeting time, because usually it's like we have to do a show at seven at night to accommodate him.

I like the I like the derision in your voice.

I'm excited because he's the ying to my Yang, but I'm also excited, because you are listening to me right now on the curry one beta, or beta, as our guests might say, What?

What does that mean? The curry

Dvorak microphone company, this is this a joke? No, no, you are listening. This is my, our first mic. It's going to be the Curry One is, you're really listening to the capsule. More than anything, the body isn't it's basically in a toilet paper roll.

I cannot tell. I'm still, I'm still not sure if you're No, no,

I am telling you the God's honest truth.

I need a picture of this thing.

You're going to get a picture. I don't want to publish it yet,

in the toilet paper roll.

It's not actually in a toilet paper roll, but it's in a it's in a temporary housing and we've been, we've been we've talked about this for Well, we've talked about exit strategies. God, please give us anything to get out of this podcasting gig. I don't know if this will lift us up and out, but we've been ordering capsules and stuff for microphones for

Okay, so things, things actually get done? Yeah, exactly. So she does the publishing

company, and we've done the no agenda ABC book, and she also did too many eggs book, and she's been doing the spreadsheet for us for about a year now, I think.

And she's, I mean, the vinegar book is going to get done one day. Oh, please no,

this is the microphone companies instead of the vinegar book, trust me. Okay, and, and, you know, so I'm very particular. I'm like, Well, we're going to do, and, you know, sell a branded mic. We're also going to do a valve microphone. You know, we have a, we'll have a line of three, I think, and we want to make it competitive to everything out there. It's cheaper, in fact, than anything out there. So it'll be the curry one podfather approved microphone, and it will

don't so how, how in the world are you doing this? I mean, like the hardware is, you've been down the hardware road before, and it is hard, expensive, and yes, all that doing

exactly what Shure and road and all those guys do, once you find the capsule. And these capsules, they all come from one place,

like across so, so across the industry, all of there's only a it's sort of like my it's sort of like televisions and computer monitors. There's only one or two people that make the panels Correct. Okay, it's

all from China. The actual capsule itself. They're all from China. And so then, you know, then you have to find the right construction. So this is very similar, in fact, to me, it sounds a little bit better than the EV 320 really. Oh yeah, yeah, it has, it has something extra in there, I mean, and we're doing this now, because in five years, my ears may be shot. You know, it's like, I can, in fact, he started no agenda yesterday, and he's like, before we started, said, he said, What

EV 320 is a fat, is a large.

So, yeah, it's a large. So I want something that's smaller. This is, well, this temporary housing is very small. It's too small. So there has to be, I want to be about half of the EV 320 but the price, we're going to go sub 200

easy, wow. Oh yeah, whoa. That's that. That's huge.

And I was talking to Fernando from Sigma audio, yeah, had a call with him, or at least they were going to do a bundle

with it, with the Sigma and with the audio sigma. Yeah, that's a great idea, yeah. So

we'll have a bundle. I mean, I don't know I would like retail for Mike headphones and the and one of the sigma boxes for 400 bucks, for between four and 450

that, if, man, if you could do that, and,

and that would be killer. I would love to throw in one of our 2.0 uh, partners, and do like, you know, three months of hosting, or whatever, you know something like that,

yeah, yeah, the Yeah, like, cotton gin said the starter kit, it's the podcast. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Give some like, like podcast topic ideas

and like, sermon starters. We'll kick it now. We'll kick you in the back to get you started with talking, yeah, a swift kick in the pants.

Yeah, that's that's exciting, dude. I can't if you had not told me that this was, I know, you wouldn't have known. This was a different mic. I wouldn't have known

I know because I I put it on yesterday, I wasn't telling John that I was using it, and when I told me in the same reactions like, I don't hear any difference. Now, you're hearing me through clean feed there. It has a little has a little higher output, which I think really makes it just the whole everything. I didn't It's the same eq as the EV 320 so I haven't changed anything.

So this was just plug and play. Plug and Play settings, plug and play.

Yeah, plug and play. So, yeah, it'll take, it'll take a little press. It'll take a little bit. But, you know, because now we're going into design phase of the housing and, of course, divorced like, I want the top to be yellow. I said over my dead body, the top is going to be yellow. Why yellow? I don't know. Man, he's like, but I don't just want a black and black microphone. Well, okay, you can make it red then, yeah,

it's actually kind of, yeah. I

thought red mine, it's to be a differentiator, and have red on this. Or curry, and then what curry? One cook a gold curry. One gold. Oh, no, we're gonna do a gold version. Of course, that's what you do.

They now, then that one's 800 but of course,

it's made of platinum. Yes, of course, of course, that's what you do. Or we give them audio. We give the gold plated ones to certain sell celebrity podcasters. Oh, celebretty

like me, yeah, well, of course, of course. The so the Audio Technica ath in 20x headphones. Which are good headphones? Wait, is

that what I have?

I think you've got like the M 50s or something, uh, these are, like the in 20s. Which are I've had these before? I think what I've got right now is like the M 30 or something. I'm actually

looking I took them off, so I don't want to get any feedback. It doesn't even say on these headphones what it is.

Let me see what mine is. Hello.

I can go to my order, I guess, and see what they are. Let me see I love these headphones because I was always a Sony pro guy.

Oh, I lied. Monitor the buyer, dynamic. DT, seven.

I see, oops, almost i. And so, Audio Technica, let's see

the audio. Technica, I've had a pair of the at H, M 20 x's, and they're really nice. Here. I have headphones, and they're only 50 bucks.

I have the M 50x

okay, you've got the step, yeah, you've got, there's this, like the 20, the 30, and then the 50, yeah,

these were 149 bucks, what I paid for them. Yeah, when the and it was, it was a buddy of mine, my old radio buddy from Holland, he said, because we always, we started with the, remember the Sony's that were really, like half a half a melon on each ear, yeah, humongous can, yeah, yeah. So that was, that's what we used back in the day. And then the Sony pros. Those were, those were perfect. And I use those

yeah, the 20, the 20s are only 50 bucks. I mean, so you're already talking, you know, if you bought, I think that 404 50 is, I think, this hit for a full for

a full package, and for a rig, yeah. And as you know, that rig has the noise gate, or what he, we call the, he calls the denoiser. It has multiple EQ settings. It's really idiot proof, I mean, and it's just just little buttons you just press. I love that guy.

What is okay? So let me, let me go into this just a little bit. And I've always wanted to know number, I guess, the internal pop filter stuff. It doesn't always work. Like sometimes I still get some pop. Yeah, you pop? Sure, yeah. Is that? I mean, is that at all? Is that just because of lower proximity, just not fixable? Right proximity? Yeah, there's no you can't actually do it's not that I don't have a good one. It's just,

we'll have a guide. You know, we recommend you fist your mic, which means one fist between your mouth and the microphone, yes, oh no, it'd be a complete curry Dvorak product.

You call me with a mouthful of business. It almost got ugly over here.

Yes, yes, so I'm excited, yeah, and I guarantee you it will not be for sale at any podcast conference. I'm not gonna go. I'm not gonna have a booth. I'm gonna go stand over the booth. I think so.

I just think the image of you standing there at a booth with Todd like beside you is hilarious.

Hey everybody, trap my microphone. I'm the podfather. It would

just be Todd bitch and the whole time about, you know, nobody's showing up to my business.

There's no carpet. There's no carpet.

Hey, let's find out exactly how Podcast Movement Washington DC was, as our guest today, has been sitting through this very patiently. He rushed through TSA and was able to jump into the lounge, into the lounge, and has set himself up. You know him as the radio futurologist, host, producer and writer of The Daily pod news newsletter and podcast, co host of the pod news weekly review and friend of the show say hello to James crittland.

It's very good to be here. Thank you so much. Adam. I like the noise gate on this new microphone of yours. It's very nice.

Well, the noise gate is not on the mic, but okay, well,

whatever it is, it sounds it sounds better. It sounds better. Oh, sounds

better. You think it sounds better than what I had before. Yeah, really, yeah,

you can't. You can't, you can't hear it clicking in and out. It's quite so much. So

it's a good thing. Oh, interesting. Interesting. Anyway,

not that. And thank you for the mention of beef, of beef milkshake as well.

Because, because Adam mentioned something about it, I had to run and make one really quick.

Yes. So James, you're set up in the American Airlines lounge. If anyone wants to come and and I did. I just Dox you, I guess so,

yeah, I guess you did, although I think there are two here, and I don't know if I'm in the good one or the bad one.

So are you in one of those private rooms, or are you just sitting amongst other people. Are people looking at you weird?

No, I'm in. I'm in this sort of working thing. And I think they call them working chateau, oh, shutell, yes, where you get to sit? And, wow, how

do I spell that? How do I spell like I was looking at because it sounds like shittel, but I guess shadow

Chateau ch

looks like chattel, yeah? Well, if I put another L and an E, chattel, well, that's a show title. There you go. Chattel. Yeah?

American shit,

I said I. But I said, Do you have a quiet room? Because I'm going, I need to make a one hour call. I didn't say a podcast, because I'm not, you know, I need to make a one hour call, and I don't want to annoy anybody else. And they pointed me into this, into this room, and it's all, you know, fake wood paneling and and there's, there's a guy over there trying to do some work. So, yeah, yeah, that's basically how it works. We'll

try not to make you laugh, because he'll be looking at you like, what is wrong with that guy? Yeah, quiet man, I'm trying to trade. I'm day trading over here. Yeah, that'll be it. This

is a Middle English shit chatel or chattel. I think it's, I think it's chattel. Is it movable? Movable possession, often in plurals.

I don't know. I walk past a sign, and I may not have read it correctly, everything in this hotel confuses me. Hotel. Everything is sorry, everything in this airport, everything in this airport, confuses me. So, yeah, so

hold on, hold on a second. How can it be worse than, than, than Melbourne or Sydney's airport? What is so confusing? Oh,

whoa. I haven't said it's worse than Sydney's

been to Sydney. I have actually been to Melbourne, and I've been to Perth with that stupid train, but that's, you know that story?

Well, yes, yes, yes, exactly. I would. I would have used that stupid train, but it doesn't go to the stupid airport that I use at Perth, at the terminal. So yeah, anyway, it's quite, quite enough of this. So yes, I was actually sitting next to Todd last night at the bar, and I was getting exactly that you were mentioning. There's no carpet.

It's called grousing. Well, you know, I was talking to to Fernando, and I don't know if he had a, you must have had a some kind of booth. And he said he lost money on the deal. He did sell some units, but he said he sold 500% more than road caster because they sold nothing. Right? What? Now, what it feels to me and and I appreciate you coming on. I know you're not flying to later, but it's, it's kind of you to jump in and jump in on the on the show today, because thank you

I mean, I think it's much harder to get independent podcasters, to get podcasters who do this as a side hustle, because they've got a real job, it's very difficult to get them to fly all the way to National Harbor and to come to a conference that's held Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. Yeah, absolutely it is. Or rather, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, which it was. So, yeah. I mean, you know, I think

it is. Thank you. Thank you. There

you go. There was a lot of that going on there, particularly on the first day, you know, the there was a lot of that. So, so it was an interesting side to see. You know, some of the big money in their Sirius XM stand was three times the size of anybody else's massive. Great was it? Was

it invite only?

It was not invite only. There were a few invite only places. There was Spotify, which looked very, very nice. I managed to get

in there. What's on the other side of that velvet rope?

Well,

there's coffee snacks.

There are jugglers in there. There are, you know, those people, those people with those large pine palm leaves cooling

down, slaves.

Just slaves. There was some,

there was some, some chocolate. You said it Adam, not me. There was some chocolate, chocolate fountains. No, there was, there was there was there was none of that. But it was just, it was just a nice room that they had sort of done it up a little.

What are they talking about? I mean, are they? Are they? What is the mission of Spotify at a conference where it's invite only. Are they looking for advertisers? Are they looking for it?

It's, it's all for advertisers, all for advertisers and their, you know, for clients, for the megaphone side of Spotify, for the Spotify Audience Network, for all of that kind of stuff, so and and, you know, one of the things that I said to my Spotify contact was, this is absolutely right. You do need a special space where you can talk to your, you know, expensive clients, but you should also be on the on the floor. You should also be talking to the creators as well.

that's where they bring people out

gallows or something, or like, when you sit in there and they whip you.

I did feel it was miles away, absolutely miles away the other side of the hotel, really, they had hired a suite so that they could have the conversations with their ad partners. And I did feel to as I was walking, you know, three, three miles, and you know, 80 different corridors to get there, I was thinking they could actually kill you. I it. If I if I scream, no one will hear them. Hear me scream.

You're gonna get black bags.

I will say I got a lovely email from Rob Walsh, and we're talking on Monday. He's happy. He's happy to tell me, did you see him? By any chance? He wasn't there. Was it?

He wasn't there? You gonna be on the show.

I haven't I he just wants to talk, so I'll chat with him, and I'll ask him if he wants to be on the show, of course, of course, yeah. And I love that. I love that he heard it and that he said, Hey, let's talk. So that's great. It'll be good. So besides the showcases and then the secret rooms and and the booths and everything. Did you now, did you speak at this event?

Yeah, I did. I did three different panels. So I was on. I was on one panel. I moderated two panels, and I also spoke on. I also showed lots of live demos of AI tools and stuff like that, which is quite fun. What AI tools? Oh, you know, there's plenty of these tools, some of the tools that get rid of the background noise. Occasionally, if you're listening carefully, you will hear an elevator that says going down. So it'll get rid of all of that. And you know, tools to do.

hate doing those. We're like, well, you know, and look over here, oh, oh, the Wi Fi. It's always the Wi Fi slow here.

So some of it was so I had a I had a transcript tool on my laptop, so I was able to show that working really well. We went and used ouzio. I think it is one of these song making things. And I said, make us make a song about Podcast Movement. And it, and it made quite a decent, quite decent song, to be honest. And so there was all of that kind of stuff, but it was good. It was good, good fun to do. I think, you know, if 90% of it works, then that's that. Then what were

the, what were the the tracks in the sessions? Was it a lot of how to make money, or how to do it, or what was the main focus? Yeah,

there's a bunch of there's a bunch of tracks. There is, though, there are still a fair amount of creators

So how about the 2.0 stuff? I mean, obviously you were showing transcripts, any other 2.0 talk there, or, yeah, I

mean, 2.0 was different. Was difficult, you know, I bumped into quite a few people that actually came to came to talk to me about that, because they knew that I was there, and they knew that, and then, and then, you that I could, you know, help them with all of that, which was good, not too much on the schedule itself. I think it's very difficult. It's something that I learned when I was doing working on a different piece of tech that was all voluntary and all just

pay to play? Yeah, okay, yeah. I

mean, and, to be fair, there isn't too much pay to play at the at the conference anyway, but it's just, it's just hard for them to understand how big it is without, you know, having a big PR company going and going and talking to them and everything else.

We only need a big PR company to go talk to them that'll do it well. I

mean, that that would be, that would be a start. I mean, so, you know, so one of the one of the panels, for example, that I was running, that I was moderating, I was asked to to be moderating that particular panel by the PR company of one of the panelists. So it was very clearly, you know, they wanted, I mean, they obviously wanted the best moderator in the business. They got it, yes, but unfortunately

that's surprising, because the main players, as far as I understand that in video or Spotify and YouTube, and they didn't do much about it,

yeah, there was, it was left to other people to end up talking about that, that sort of thing. So there was a there was a speaker from Spotify who who interviewed Stephen Bartlett Diary of a CEO who's a big name in the UK. And his session was great. His session was really good. He was basically sharing all of the information about how he puts his show together. It's a really big, really big interview show, yeah, that comes out of the UK. Here's a thing Adam that maybe

killing the world. I mean, come on, stop already. You can't be That's a funny idea. It's great, yeah, that's cool. That's actually, that's quite frustrating.

He was really good. In

future, gear will actually turn off. It'll be carbon dioxide built in. And if you talk too much, they'll just shut down. Say, you got to continue later, because, you know, climate change. Yeah,

no. But he was, he was really good. And, you know, so and the one thing you know, if, if it's of if it's of interest, you don't have to go to Washington, DC, you don't have to stay in the in the hotel, which was a ridiculous, ridiculous now,

where, where, where was everything in, in regard. So let me ask it this way, did you have a chance to see our wonderful capital and many of the monuments and buildings and wonderful structures that are there.

On the Monday, I did, because I was into I was invited to NPR to go and watch a Tiny Desk concert. Oh,

that was invited to

NPR. I thought they should. I didn't think they had podcasting there anymore, because somehow they're still number one in, like all these charts, are in the top five, and they have basically fired everyone. It's just like all

fired everyone, but they've, but they've certainly, they certainly slimmed their team down, their team down a little bit, yeah, oh,

James. They nuked that whole department. I mean, it's very. A shell of what it used to be. It's like a It's like somebody rolled the rock downhill, and it's still just rolling, even

though there's, I did walk. I did, you know, have a look around. You know, we were queuing up for this, for this concert, and I, I wanted to walk around a little bit. But they've got this beautiful, beautiful building that was open about seven or eight years ago, and all of the desks completely empty, and

everybody's working from home, yeah, yeah. All,

all of the desks had a laminated sign on on the keyboard saying clean.

But I just detected something. If you come into my Tiny Desk concert, you've got a VIP backstage pass, brother, you're not queuing up for anything. What's wrong with these NPR people?

There was still a queue. There was still a queue, but that was, but that would, but that was good. That was a good that was a good start. So

the did Apple have any presence at the Podcast Movement?

So, I mean, as you know, Apple never speaks at any at any conference. That's not Apple's thing. There were, I saw two people from Apple there. I understand that Apple were grabbing podcast hosting companies and having quiet meetings with them. Do we have any idea of their own what was being discussed? Well, I mean, they all, they always do that.

let me just, let me just say this about that. I have some thoughts about Apple podcasts on the web. The first one is they are trying to destroy our 2.0 community by driving a wedge between Adam and James with this Android bet. So I think that's the only reason they did it. I have other other theories, but you, for some reason, have, have, have called me a Welch on the on the bet. Well, I've listened to the pod news weekly review when you like, well, Adam's not going to pay up. So,

I mean, I think, I think Fair enough. I was saying they'll launch an Android app, and you said they'll never launch an Android app. And what they've essentially done, that, was it, yeah, yeah, they've essentially done is they've launched a PWA so you can install it as an app,

yes, but it's not a PWA. It doesn't have a manifest, right? And, by the way, it does. It does have

a manifesto. There's one line. There's one that isn't, that isn't there. I have tipped the wink to the to the guy from Apple who was there, and he said, it will get in there, but we're a big organization. We've got to do some QA and everything else. It's just one line in a manifesto. It'll take a couple of weeks.

James, what do you think the strat I actually do have some thoughts about this. What do you think the strategy is behind? Do I mean, the timing is obvious, because it's, it's just around a podcast conference. So that makes sense. What is the strategy behind them releasing this severely crippled almost. PWA,

I think the strategy. I think there are two parts of the of the strategy. And by the way, I do think it's good news for podcasting 2.0 and I can explain why in a minute, but, but I think there are two parts of the strategy. One part is they have a lot of legacy nonsense out there. ITunes for Windows is the only way of of of actually getting into Apple podcasts on your Windows machine that that clearly, I mean, that's, that's okay. That makes ridiculous, yeah, so, so this

think you're right. I think this is, this is their trial balloon to see exactly how many people they can convert that. On one hand, it makes sense. On the other hand, it's kind of cutting their nose off despite their face. So I'm a little wary of it, because, yeah, it feels to me like, well, you know, in some kind of antitrust case, we can say you can also just do it on the web, like we've done, we've proven it

Yeah, well, I so on that the things that the web app doesn't do, there are only a few things that the web app doesn't do. One of them is transcripts, for some reason, and I don't understand why. One of them is downloads and downloads in a web app, I'm not sure, and Dave will know more than me on this. I'm not sure necessarily that you can download third party files into your local storage on a web app, cause and all of that kind of stuff. So I don't know if you can do that.

So then you can, but it's messy. You can. It's very unpredictable. What you're going to get, because you're going to get you can do it through look. You can do it through local storage. But then there's a thing called set, I think it's called Session dB. There's, there's various ways to do it. And the new, the new, I think it's the session DB thing, that's the newest one that can handle larger downloads. But I think it's very unreliable about which browsers support it and

and, and then there's one more thing that Apple podcasts do, index, TV, yeah, that's right. And then there's one more thing that Apple podcasts on the web doesn't do, that I think may be a bit of a Trojan horse, Adam,

very much like, very much like what they did with the transcript. In that case, it would because I know how Apple thinks. I believe. I'd know how they think we can't do it for all. We don't want to do it at all. So maybe they would do something like, Well, if we see the mp three, which would has ID three, you know, the ID three chapters in it, then we'll create, recreate those for cloud chapters on the web app, and if you have your own, we'll pass those through that great. I

call them cloud chapters, yeah. So you can put, you can put more detail into that. But if Apple, because Apple pulls your mp three file anyway, so if Apple pulls your mp three file and just has a look through for the ID three chapters and makes one, yeah, that would be, that would

be good invitation to anyone from Apple, if you ever want to come and talk, maybe just have the ghost of Steve Jobs on the show, Dave, we could do that. Yeah, we can have the ghost of Steve Jobs because, oh, man, it's, that's just annoying. I mean, there's such a huge community we feel, you know, this obviously so funny. You know, we've always had these groups, and we're always talking about stuff. We always want to

And I think, I think, to be honest, that's one of the things that Podcast Movement does very well, in that, though there were a lot of, you know, I spent some time with the Buzzsprout guys. Lips was there, always good. But blueberry were there. There was a bunch of other folks, OSHA and a bunch a bunch of other folks, the RSS guys were there, Ben, Ben and Alberto, and so it's a great time for everyone to talk about stuff, you know. And the people who were there from from

for drinks? Are they paying for drinks or just consuming

I think, I think, Well, I think people were paying them for drinks, to be honest, Brother,

brother, you know, biggest company in the world, by

the way. I will. Yes, I know. I know exactly, exactly, but no, you know. So I think that that's a really useful thing. It's always good. We shouldn't underestimate No,

no, it's it's always good to get together just, and I don't want to only talk about the conference, but again, it's great that you were there, and we get a piggyback off of, off of your your attendance. I'm concerned personally about what Spotify for podcasters is doing with with their hosting, free hosting offering. Now, as I've learned from from pod News Daily and the weekly review, they are actively advertising, which is totally their right to do. They can do whatever, bastards, but

mean, certainly when you look at so there's a page on the pod news website which shows people migrating from one podcast host to another, and the winner every single time is a Spotify company. Now that might be Spotify for podcasters, the podcast host used to be called Anchor, or it might be megaphone, but it's one of those two companies who always takes the majority of the, you know, of people who are moving away from other other podcast hosts,

I agree it's, it's a mistake. I mean, I'm none of my shows are on Spotify. I refuse to sign a contract to be, you know, to be on Spotify. I'm just not going to, I don't care what it is either, you know, you take my feed and you take everybody's feed freely. And as an aside, it has not hurt me at all.

I don't Yes, and and so here's the thing, and not something that very many people have realized the buzz sprout, official podcast, buzzcast is not on Spotify, yeah, and they've made that very, very clear why they're not on Spotify. And I, you know, it's interesting seeing many other podcast hosts who've put their official, you know, official show on the Spotify platform. And they're thinking, and look

at what happened. Look at what happened in was it South America? Was it was it Mexico? Yeah, all of a sudden, well, we're not going to pay anybody anymore, and the same in Italy, by the way, because Italy just blew up last summer. All of a sudden, everyone's talking about podcasts, and that was. Because Spotify did this huge push, they started paying

Yeah. I mean, I spent some time with the OP three stats earlier on in the year, just looking at how big Spotify was in various countries. And, you know, I mean, Colombia, Spotify has 92% of all of all down exactly, exactly. I mean, it is, it is absolutely massive. And so for Spotify to spend a lot of money in getting new shows made, and then all of a sudden pull the rug from all of those people is,

it's, it's a good cleansing because I know from the music business that people who really want a certain type of content, they will beg, borrow, steal, do whatever they need to do to get it. They will sit by the radio with the pause button and the cassette deck for hours to wait until that song comes on. You know, this is old school. Of course, you talk over it as the day. I was very hated by that and so it will cleanse out the industry and people who are saying, oh, man, I really

Yeah? This is Africa podfest. Yeah? The podfest, yes, yeah, so this is an afropods, which is a network. This is, yeah, this is there. It was a, it was a podcast festival which lasted for four years. And, yeah, worked with over 4000 podcasters, advocated for African podcasting on the world stage, which is one problem that you know, and I would tell you more, but substack is currently performing a scheduled maintenance.

There you go. Thanks, scheduled, scheduled today. Yeah,

I would doubt you say it is. But anyway, yeah, and and so and so. I think you know that that was a really useful organization, because it pulled together all of the African show. And to be honest, Africa has a real problem in that many of the countries in Africa, data is so, so, so expensive, yeah, yeah, which is where the alternate enclosure

I was worried about pod LP for a while because I just didn't hear any Yeah. And then, and then he popped up and said he was, he had been in the middle of converting everything to to rely on more on the index, I guess he gets his expenses down and that kind of thing. And so that was good to see that he's still alive and, you know, and kicking. Yeah, really

good. And, and he's now available on more phones as well, more more of these smaller phones. So, yeah, no, I think, I think he's, I get to drop that.

I can tell you, I just don't understand, in general, Spotify for podcasters. I don't know. I understand why they may just leave it as a legacy product that exists for a long time with no maintenance. I could understand that, but to go in and start pushing it again, that product just makes no sense to me, and it never, it didn't when it was anchor. It really

Yeah, I think that that's probably fair. I would say, um. Anchor itself. I did do some work. When was this? 2020? I did some work on how much anchor is costing Spotify in terms of bandwidth, which I thought was vaguely interesting. So that's it's doing 7.7 terabytes of data every, every, every week, no, every month, every month, which, which adds. So I worked it out in terms of Spotify whole bandwidth spill, because obviously Spotify has a lot, a lot a lot of music on

I have my stepdaughter here. She's 27 we flew her for she's had a knee operation, she's been here for 10 weeks, and she'll be leaving again soon. We love her, but we want our life back. And we flew in her, her roommate from New York, who was kind of our fourth daughter, Mackenzie, and she's same age, and they were talking because they've all moved to Apple Music. And the reason why? Can you guess the reason why?

so I played around with Apple Music for a while, and you can turn it up to 11. You can turn it up to Apple. Apples, they've got this thing, which they call lossless audio. Yeah, lossless, yeah, yeah, and and that, and that sounds amazing. And if you do that, you turn off the the volume equalization thing, and you turn off the spatial audio, which is madness, but you turn all of that stuff off, it does sound

want to run through a few things, 2.0 related. The first is I was a little saddened I started promoting because I always promote the modern podcast apps on no agenda is a reasonably big audience. I look at the OP three stats, you can see the very high amount of people using pod verse and fountain. But really, I mean, I think Apple is like 30% and all the rest is just all other apps. And I started promoting the funding tag, which, you know, there's all kinds of reasons

way, way, way back in 2018 Marco Arment, who makes overcast, of course, he supported the idea of this payment link and what he was doing. And I thought this was just really neat and really clever. He was just looking through any just shows, yeah, just grabbing something, yeah, yeah. Just, he was just looking for a link for to Patreon, or a link to a few other places, or a rel equals payment. I think it was a bit, it was a bit clutchy, but it meant that there were a

Yeah, I don't think Apple will do that,

because, because of the because of the thing that most, that many people don't understand, which is just because, well, number one, you, you're not allowed, I think, by App Store rules, to put a link to an external payment system, or at least at the time you weren't. I think you can now see that that that's that's one thing that has changed. I think the App Store rules have been relaxed, so now you are able to provide a link to an external payment system, but, well, you're not,

but holy, you're not technically linking to another payment system. Do I just want you to go to my donation page,

right? And so that the See, there's, there's the ambiguity that happens where, you know, you think it's one thing, but then Apple shows up and says, Hey, that's, that's this other thing. And then you have to just argue it out and hope they, hope that they side with you. Well, I would

like people to try it, you know, I would do put that back in because, I

mean, he was, he was just concerned that this would be a reason for Apple to block a new release of overcast. Because, you know, the new intern who's, who's got the job of checking whether or not overcast is following all of the rules suddenly sees a green payment link, and thinks and thinks, no, this clearly breaks the rules. And so, you know, he saw it as a risk, and so unfortunately, got rid of that.

see here? Here's the Well, here's part of that, because that's, that's part of the issue is that there's no sense that I can find, there's no sense in which there's a differentiation between, between buying something and in a donation, like it's pay, there's, there's a very there's, there's no difference there is in terms of App Store rules and guidance and that sort of thing, yeah, because you one, one is, you know, one one is, I'm paying to have access to this content.

they're not, they're not that crazy, by the way. Stop the presses. True fan supports the funding tag. Just want you to know Sam Sethi is listening. He donated 7777 you heard the heart playing, just so you know, true fan supports it,

by the way, so does the pod news website as well. Yes, we support the fun. Fantastic. Yes, you do customatic

supports it, and customatic supports it, and it's been in the app store for as long as I can. Well,

I'm so now I do what I always do pain. So I will only be promoting apps that support the funding tag. I'm just full of pain. Congratulations. We got episode.fm soon, very soon, any minute now, will be available for all podcasts in the index. You will not need to have an apple. GUID, is that correct? Dave, am I understanding this correctly?

Yes, that's right, Apple and iTunes ID, iTunes, yes. So what, what what Nathan's going to be doing is putting and this is actually going to help us a bunch. He's going to be making it where episodes.fm can link you in the URL using a base

Why would just not use the good?

I think there was a reason. I think he explained it once before, and I don't remember exactly we thought

about it previously, and we can't remember it was so complicated, so it was just good to go 64 base encoded is the way. Is the way. I love it though. I think episode.fm is one of the best improvements we have put into the podcast ecosystem in a long, long time. It's i. So not all my podcasts are on on Apple iTunes, but it's so beautiful. I mean, just to just as a link, you know, to say, Hey, listen to this. Sam again. No, I don't think so. Listen, listen to this episode.

mean, I don't know that. By the way, it's episodes FM with an S on the end, but I don't know whether episodes FM is a costs an awful lot to host and to run, so maybe it doesn't need to stay alive too well.

I want to support it,

so there should be a donation link in there, in Fiat or stats or cash, stats or cash. Yeah,

I'm happy to put a split in anything. It's a beautiful, beautiful system. Now, since we're kind of talking about activity, pub, etc, James, I know you're not just a podcaster, but you, I believe you're still an advisor. Nostr in Fountain released. What do you know about sizing, isn't it? Well, as much as you. So I, you know, I have not used nostr in a long time. I have, obviously, I have a pub key. I was able to, I was able to find it and put it into to fountain and and so it

Yeah. I have, yeah. I have the I was able to, I guess, the the thing that hit me at the beginning was that, I mean, I understand what he's doing, and it's not confusing or anything at all to me. I guess it's What's is it sort of like, once it presents you with a, sort of like an, I don't know, it gets in your way a little bit. Is, which was what I kind of was confused about because it says Connect existing nostra profile or create one. I guess I kind of wished that I just

I have not tried it because I've been busy doing other things. But I mean, you know, is this, is this a replacement to streaming sets. Is

that discussion? Yeah, that was my that was my confusion as well. The way I understand it, and so, what is okay? A couple things. So the way I understand it is, if someone boosts you in the fountain app and you have a profile, then that boost will also show up on your nostr

it's really adding a social Yes, social network, yes in and if you happen to be on nostr, and you have to have a bunch of friends on nostr, yes, all talking about Bitcoin and beef milkshakes, then you can, you know, connect with all of those on the fountain app and that, and that makes sense? I think

yes. And so that brings me to my point. It's because of the nature of the community on noster now in my home feed on fountain. It's very Bitcoin centric, yeah, and so that is a little irksome. I understand it because, and also there's a lot of reboosting. And so I see things multiple times like none of bidness keeps posting about the fountain app now with noster. You know, it's, it's, it's a little, it's not as

Well, I think, yeah, fountain chat, F has a good, just as a good, simple statement about that in the in the chat in the boardroom, he says it moves the social aspect of fountain onto noster. And I think that's probably what Oscar was really wanting to do, was offload a lot of that stuff he was doing proprietarily in in Fountain, and move it on to nostr to sort of get it off his system. And they and let's be honest, Fountain has a huge Bitcoin base, and so Master is, yeah,

would make sense to me is if I can log and I'm okay with doing this per app, I don't really mind it. If I can go to. True fans and say, okay, connect my existing activity pub profile to my account on true fans. I don't necessarily want another Mastodon, an activity pub account. Is that something that he already has, or is that coming? Is that even on his roadmap, he'll, he'll boost, I'm sure, and let us know. But

yeah, but I think, well, they already know you. There's already a place in true fans to put your, to put your, your current activity pub user account in there. Okay, see, I'm of the opposite opinion, like when I go to another activity, pub, like, I don't want to carry my ID around with me everywhere, because, like my it feels distinct to me, like what I'm doing in podcast index, dot, social David podcast induct, social user account, that thing I want to keep that thing

Well, what it certainly taught me, just using this for the past day or two, is that I do enjoy a nice harp. I do enjoy the I'm gonna have to take out that triple seven. I do enjoy the flow into a social network. It makes a lot of sense to me. I like that I could, I would like to see that stuff show up on my psyopshop.com account, because that's where I just do other stuff where I like, I don't want it on my

think Eric PP is right. The important thing is that activity is that the activity is now out there, yeah, just, just like. The important thing with podcasting 2.0 is that there's now hundreds of 1000s of podcast feeds that use the tags. That's that if you don't have that first, then you're dead, nothing. It doesn't matter how much you want it, right? Nobody's going to write apps that include features for

stream and sound, verbs? Yeah,

like verbs or and objects waiting

for you to say verbs, talking about verbs,

I'm baiting Sam to send another boost the so if but do you because what? What I was told when I started thinking about architecting sort of this activity, pub. Language around podcast specific actions was, hey, don't do that. You know, I was quickly told by the, by the the activity pub wizard beards don't do, don't create new things. Just send everything out as a note with a media object

attaching that. That's probably, I mean, I, you know, you, you were saying earlier that you like your identities to be a little bit separate. And I think that, you know, I mean, certainly I've got, I've have a personal email, I have a work email. I really don't like people sending me press releases to my personal email. I get quite grumpy about

right? Yeah, for sure. And that I've fighting that. I fight that battle all the time on Mastodon, with people that I follow that I want their technical I want their technical posts because I, I, yeah, they have a lot of good technical information to post, but then they also sprinkle in tons of politics. And I'm trying to, like, keyword, filter that stuff out, because I don't want that on my timeline. Yeah, and that, that's repost.

Reposts are the worst. See that that, yes,

in, in, I don't it even goes, but it goes before, you know, farther than that, into the technical, uh, sort of the technical rabbit hole of, like what you said with verbs,

notes, podcasts like that,

or Apple podcast, right? You can't, well, I'm not going to do chapters because it doesn't show up in Apple podcasts. Or I'm not going to do and so there's this, there's this, but I think you part of me nostr is young enough to where it's not suffering from this, because it's still people are creating 10 new nips every every five minutes for all these news features that they want, because nothing has been set in stone. Yet there is no Mastodon equivalent in the noster world.

I would agree with that. And I think, you know, Mastodon shouldn't be seeing James. Press pause on this podcast. James. Press Well,

James, don't worry, because on true fans, that's all been taken care of.

It's always taken care of. Everything is taken care of. I know FM, that's what

is there. All right, gentlemen, I'm going to break this party up for just a second. Going to play a little bit of music to give us a pause here. We will be back. This is from the value verse of using a modern podcast app. Please boost and tell them you heard it on podcasting 2.0 it's Chris winsky with banjo, and you belong to.

Everything they say, use a light from the Sun to carry out your dreams away. You be alone just because you belong, just because we belong, just because there were pride. Singing. I was catching a falling star in my dreams. In my dreams, Rado, away, beautiful in between, you'll be alone just because You us, you belong, just because we belong, just because

sing. Chris winsky, you belong. Get a strong Holly's vibe there, from the from the harmony. It's like you belongs. Anyway,

gave me just enough time during the song to try to desperately figure out what this thing is that John Spurlock has built this activity, the

browser. Great. I'm browsing. I can debug it. I can debug stuff. And

he dropped it right before the show like, I mean, browser dot, horrible thing to do.

Yes, browser dot, pub, by the way. If you want to boost Chris Wen, you can always rewind go, but you can even pause it, just pause it right in the middle of that song, and then boost them. I've found that's very helpful. People seem to like think that they can't boost anymore if it's gone. That's the beauty of a podcast. You can go back and do it later. It lives on forever. I love the banjo in this, yeah, I never get too much banjo.

This looks this, yeah, see so this looks like you can just drop anything in to the browser, to the activity, pub browser. You know, we'll just show you all the guts.

Yeah, it's just, it's

another really helpful thing, just, just to debug

stuff for debugging. Yes, exactly. I debug so much. It's great. I'm happy.

I mean, like, if you've written, if you've gone down the activity pub, red rabbit hole of wondering, beating your head against the wall, run, wondering why something is not working. This is a lifesaver. You'll be highly

happy with the debugging. Yes, yes. So I didn't get any wallet demo from Oscar, but that's kind of understandable. I guess

he's clearly been busy with the nostr stuff. Yeah, so I think that's, I mean, we're getting there. I mean, we're, hopefully we're going to talk to the light Spark,

yeah, you know that's in the middle of my vacation. You might have to do that one yourself, Dave, I don't know if you, if you mind?

Okay, that's fine. Yeah,

I'm sorry. You sound very protruded. Well, that's fine. It's fine. I do do whatever you need to. Fine.

I'll do it. I'm

fine. I'm fine. That's good.

No, that's good. I don't mind doing that at all. Or we can just, you know, wait to get back or whatever. Yeah, that matter to me. I'll see what they want to do. I'm good either way. But, I mean, hope sounds like they have solution there that could, uh. That could be a, an addition to, you know, the out the Alby, yeah, management, well, they

they have a they clearly have an API, which is great. Still

waiting on Zebedee to contact me.

What is wrong with those people? That was, we're here with clients, with customers.

Yeah, yeah. I just need somebody to contact me. I don't know who. I don't remember the name of the I could just pretend if I, if I remembered her first name, Zebedee makeup email address, yeah, the Zebedee

lady, yeah, exactly. And are we good now on the V for V license, I did? We go through enough iterations, which came right after Alex gates caught a whole bunch of really good stuff.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think, I think, I think we are, Sam mentioned that the short code name we had in place for the V for free license was different than what he was using, but so I'll just make it match what his says. Okay, doesn't matter, all right, good. That's fine. But I think that's, hopefully that's done, and then we can move on to better things. Because the licensing stuff is just making me angry. You know, just a bunch of reading legal stuff

in all kinds, just the worst favorite, yeah, it's just the worst. James, you're flying back home now.

Yes, I'm flying back home now and then. Yes, but I've got a whole quarter full of speaking engagements. I'll be all over the place. No,

well, do tell where you going. This is your James's promo tour. Where are you going to be? Oh, is

this Sam and James's week? Where am I going? Adam and James's week? So yeah, so I'm going to well, so some of the ones that I'm looking forward to podcast day, which is podcast Asia, which is happening in Kuala Lumpur in two weeks, we should be really good, which is a whole day of that. And the weirdest one that I'm looking forward to is it's a Pacific island called new way, and this isn't spelled confirmed. Is

that one of those, I U, E? Is that one of those that we blew up in World War Two, still nuclear? Either you

did or we did, but, yeah, but anyway, and so, yeah. And so there's a big media conference there. I say it's a big media conference. The the island is tiny. It has 1700 people who live there. Wow. And I've said, and I've said, Look, I I'll come, but I've got a day job to do, so I need Internet access. But if the Internet access is good, then I'll go. Turns out that the Internet access is better than the home because, of course, it is and Yeah, except they say there is one flight in and out a

week. Oh, don't miss it. Don't miss it.

We're gonna be stuck on an island in the middle of the Pacific for a week. You know, that's gonna be fun. I

have an unfortunate I have no need for one. But that Starlink mini man, that thing is pretty amazing. Oh yeah, that looks good. I mean, I even heard, although there were some I'll say it glitches. But Todd and Rob were on his his regular Starlink, it

did pretty well.

I was surprised the low latency. I mean, I've always been quite worried about the latency. You know, these things aren't actually in space. I've seen them fly over my house. It's the weirdest thing. You see this line of lights just flying on. They don't look like they're very high up. But I'm sure that's just perception. But

I mean, could that be an add on to the curry one starter? Yes, and

you get Yes. James Islanders, when I send you the promo package with your gold plated microphone, yes and and your pod mobile and your three month three subscription to hosting along with a Starlink Mini, there you go. That's it. Add on packs, Buy and buy now, all stocks

last, yes, exactly. That's what we need. That's what we know. We do need to send me a press release. Yeah, okay,

I'll send you, I'll make, I'll send you a press release. Here's your press release. Take a gold microphone. Are you still using that, that light LIDAR microphone?

Yes, I'm using a when I'm at home, not, not here? No,

no,

it's a thing. I forget the brand, the brand name, but it's got a it's got a laser inside it, laser inside it. And when you so when you lean, when you're close to it, it changes the sound to when you're further away. So

it's the what's the name of it? The LeWitt is a LeWitt, isn't it blue? Absolutely

correct.

Absolutely correct. So you like that. I used to use annoyment A long, long time ago. One of you know, one of the reasons why I like it is that it's a side address, mic, not a and. Dress my mic,

I got a spitter. You like? You like the side address, right? Huh?

Only because I do quite a lot of video talking to people, and side address mics mean that you can that your face can be seen, whereas any dress Mike's is just a little bit it's a little bit harder. You're like tonight,

it's not you like the curry valve mic. We're going to come up with a valve mic. Oh yeah.

Well, that'll that. That'll work in carry on luggage, won't it?

What's a valve mic? Valve inside it.

James, explain what a valve mic is.

Oh, wow. I am, I am so not up with with Mike technology, but it's the valve made of glass. Is that? Is that? How?

Usually gold, really? Yeah, I think it's made of gold. So, yeah, yeah. Or there's gold in the valve. I believe it's a, it's a premium, premium product.

This is the entire Curry One lineup. Yes.

I mean, I'd love to do a ribbon microphone. I'd love to do all kinds of stuff. I mean, yeah, carbon, a carbon micro carbon mic, yeah, well, it'll have a little carbon dioxide monitor on it, and it'll just shut off

when the level goes high enough. They're all carbon Mike,

so before we thank some people, James as a radio futurologist. Oh, here we go. Well, I like the term. I have some thoughts, but I'd like to, I'd like to know your thinking on specifically, where is radio in all of this? Where is radio in general, in the world of on demand, media, podcasting. I mean, obviously it's still a huge business. I mean, just like many cables not going away tomorrow either. But where do you think they stand, and what is the industry? What are they

I think, I think the difficulty for radio broadcasters is that most of radio is built out of other people's content. It's built out out of music. And

music is that really? Most radio is music, most,

most, most, most radio is music. Is music these days, and so therefore that that is, that that is hard for them. What I see in different in different markets and different podcasting markets is you can really see how, how advanced a podcasting market is by how much. And this is going to sound very negative, but it really isn't meant to be how much reheated radio is at the top of the charts in each country. Like the term, if there's loads of reheated radio shows, then the

try this on for size. My feeling in podcasting right now is we are saturated with, you know, people going big, growing the show, doing you know, being appealing to a wide audience all over the world, as many as possible. What I think, what I see radio has left us is this, Why, certainly in the United States, is this gaping hole of local content. I mean, it's just not there anymore, and it's not profitable. I think

Oh, yeah. I mean, it's ridiculous. Yeah, I did something recently about Trump's assassination and how US, US radio dealt with it. And the answer is, it didn't. It was Erin because it was because it was 20 past six in the evening, yeah, on a Saturday, and virtually everybody was in automations and that, and that is not, is not a thing. But I

that low power? FM, yeah.

I mean, I mean it covers his. It covers the the town of 10,000 people, yeah, and it and not much further. And so that that is his. It's a community radio license in the UK, and that, and that is, is his thing, and it is been tremendously successful in terms of audience, like loads of people. You know, he'll go into the pub and he'll sit quietly and have a beer, and there will be other people in the pub talking about what they heard on Alfred this morning. Nice. It's

You know, if I was, if I was a big brand, if I was like Gillette, I'll just pull something. I would be creating the Gillette Podcast Network. And I would fund all, all of these little podcasts all across the country, the world, whatever you want, and pay them, you know, just pay them some money now, enough to keep it going. You know, no one has to be a millionaire. And I would make it the Gillette podcast network

like the Gillette cattle Cavalcade of Sports, that's right,

yeah? Because, because, you know, most of these, I think the radio forgets that a typical American radio listener listens to, I think it's 13 hours of radio a week that is all, yeah, so filling 24 hours a day with new and interesting programming is just a waste of time. It is. You should be, you should be making some amazing programming and then broadcasting it as much as you can, as many times as you can. And that is completely the other way of how a radio a radio company works, working.

Didn't try that in the local market. I mean, I don't, did it not did did it fail financially? Or did he just, was it covid That hurt his business?

Well? I mean, that, you know, it's a conversation for Sam, but my understanding is that there was a, there was a lot more programming on that, on that station. There was a lot more, you know, different, different stuff on there and that. And that's very different to, you know what Alfred, or there's another radio station in a little place called Petersfield, called shine, and that does much the same thing. Lots of volunteers making audio, sending

see, I see the difference there now, yeah. Thanks

to people who are boosting in throughout the show. James, of course, is in the split, so we send a percentage off to him. Thank you. Short of Well, thank you for coming. Short Row of ducks, 22 to 22 from salty crayon day. If he says, was it Dez Dickerson from Zebedee, negative, negative, not Dez. All right, okay, not Dez. All right, we'll keep going. Try Martin lindisco, 2112 he boosted for Chris wenski, he says, banjo

not my dog. It's James's dog. Does

your dog bite? Sorry. Throw back to the Pink Panther. No one left. 333 from salty crayon. He says it should be called fart circle. 3000 what was that? What we talked Okay, whatever it is, they like the name, great name. 2222 from salty if you don't have noser to begin with, the app is useless. Only basic feature that is left is boost a show you already follow. Can't edit your own profile. It's no longer fountain. It's a nostr client. Nostr is showing links to

Wondering, get out of there. You're kidding. Your interviews are gonna be bad.

I wonder, wondering, how much AI washing was it Podcast Movement this year? Keep riding the podcasting 2.0 lightning. Well, that's a question for James. How much AI did everyone talk about it? I know James. Report, yes. Report, James,

there was an awful lot of AI talks about, but I think actually the AI, I think AI is cooling off now. I think people are realizing that it's not necessarily a good thing. And certainly AI back in March, podcast, moving evolutions, so so much more talking about about AI, and I think now we're kind of understanding that it's not necessarily the be all, the be

I like humans. I can hear humans. I agree. I like, I agree. I like. I like the imperfections. I like the stuttering. I like everything. You know, it makes human. It's humanity. So I don't, I don't think it'll ever really catch on. We've had rendered voices for many, many years, and they get a little bit better, although Richard grieser has songs in the value verse, they're actually kind of banging hits. But then I still hear that kind of auto tune, type voice,

on that note, James. James, you I don't know what you write. You write PHP. What IDE do you use?

Visual Studio?

You need to try out PHP storm. It the most recent version of PHP storm will blow your mind. I don't know what it's doing, because it doesn't seem like it's doing large language model, because I see no signs anywhere on my machine of a large language model being being used. I mean, there's no there's no heavy processing. There was no long install time. I don't know what voodoo or magic this thing is using, but it is blowing my mind. I mean, I will type things and it will

was interesting. It's interesting. You bring that up. I listened to Dave Weiner's podcast. You know, for nostalgic reasons, I've always enjoyed listening to his morning coffee notes. And he said something very similar. He said that his and he's been developing for 30 years, that his development has gone so as exceeded with all of these, well, he uses chat GPT. It's like he's in love with chat GPT. Should get a room with chat

The good thing about about what JetBrains has done is that I don't have to do anything. I do nothing different than what I've already done, and it just somehow analyzes the stuff, my existing code, and it begins to write like what I do.

out, does this run local, on your local machine, or is it from the cloud? No,

it's, it's a local IDE, and this dedicated to PhD,

and that's really it. You know that that's, that's where the investment is all wrong, because I truly believe in local llms or whatever you whatever AI is doing. I mean, I have, on my start nine, I've got some some models that are open source models, and I use it for certain things. You know, looking up, actually looking up scripture, is really good because it has it as in all the versions of the Bible, but, you

Ai Pro is $100 a year plus, plus you're also spending another $100 a year on the on the IDE. Well, that's

probably worth thing is, I didn't, I didn't pay for it. When it asked me, When it asked me, when I installed, when I installed PHP storm, it asked me, Do you want to use the AI module? And I said, No. So this is something else well. And I already pay for I pay for JetBrains annually, because I just love I love it so much, and so I'm already paying for it, and then the new version just dropped in some sort of, like, you know, magic potion. Yeah, yeah. Give it a

shot. Let's see. Then we have the 7777 from Sam. True fans support the funding tag. People just don't know how to find true fans, because we are only a progressive web app. They look for apps in the flash two App Store. Maybe Apple's new PWA ish app will help people find more PWA mad. I added that D's last and I understand Sam and and as Steve Jobs told me himself, it was never the idea his he wanted the iPod touch

But what's peachy huddles email address? Is it okay? Well, that's where the emails go. That's

the guest. Peachy huddle. Shout out to peachy huddle community. Come together. Let's find her. Let's make a love connection with Dave, Ashley Jones and peach Lee huddle.

Peachy huddle is everybody's getting my email. That's my bounce, but it's getting what

you got on your list. I'm sorry. Can I?

Can I just ask two? Two of those said ITM, what does ITM mean for the

means in the morning. That is a no agenda moniker, which has been going on, yes and, and if you really want to know where that comes from, hold on a second. That is from a very here's the origins clip. Oh, that's a little too long. Think that's good. What if I here we know what it means. Here we go. Look at me. I'm driving.

I'm driving a real car. I don't believe it. Well, I'd say we need to put on some tunes. Hey, welcome back to weenie and the butt on 97.1 we in the butt just like the grown ups listen to and that was baby by Justin Bieber featuring Ludacris, which means it's time to give away some Justin Bieber tickets. Oh, that's right, but our fifth caller, will we know tickets? Okay,

so in the longer version, they keep saying, in the morning, in the morning, in the morning. So that was the origin of in the morning. Yes, we in the butt in the morning. Or if

you're here, it's a itbr in the board,

itbr, that's right, in the boardroom. That's right,

we do have some, see, we've got some PayPals here. Let me grab the PayPals. Buzz sprout, $1,000

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I thought I was, I was conniving in the background. Uh, since before, since an hour before the show started, since Tom is in town. Tom Rossi is in town. He's in Birmingham today. Oh, I almost got him to show up to my house to be on the show with James, but he's got,

he's afraid of dogs. He's afraid of dogs, yes.

And she's like, how big is your dog? Exactly. No, but he, he got sidetracked into, into having lunch with his family. So he had to, you know, he had to bail, please,

family first, and all that nonsense. Okay, yep,

let's see. He still may show up, though. We got to see Tom, oh, here we go. Thomas, Thomas Rademacher. I hope I'm saying his name, Rademacher. Rademachers, Thomas Rademacher. They gave us $200 and there was no note, but he did say, I love you. Everything you and Adam are doing. The board meeting is always entertaining. Thank

you. Thank you, brother.

Since it's Rademacher, is that Dutch? Yes. Thank you. You would it does come in as strong as usual. Yeah, you would expect it. And we got, thank you, Thomas, we got Daniel Hollingsworth, $50 Thank you. One office is nice, he says, For a resume that gets results, I've created a podcast app called digilor. Thanks for the inspiration and your work on podcast index

that is a crossover. What?

What do you mean? Well,

so something interesting started happening about two years ago, on no agenda. As you know, we solicit value for value, and if it's $200 or above, you become an Associate Executive Producer, you get the credit. In fact, if you go to imdb.com you can see over 1000 people have opened up IMDb accounts as producers of the no agenda show. And if it's $300 or above, then it's you're an executive producer. And in that case, we read your note. And so Linda lupatkin showed up,

is the best way to do advertising. Is because Daniel sent in, uh, $50 he got advertising, and nobody had to do any meetings.

No meetings. That's, that's the secret. No meetings. There's none of this. Well, I didn't like your read, you know, wasn't quite exciting enough. Can

we jump on a zoom call? Because make sure you highlight this aspect of the product. Did

you get the product? We want to make sure you try out our product. Yes.

We got some booster grams. We've got Andrew Grumman. It says grooving on a Friday afternoon.

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excellent point,

very good point, very good point, only the poor ones. Nice.

See coming in with hard truth. Ron, who we got here. Gene bean, 2222 he says, check this out. Apple podcast is now available for Android and everything else. Oh, he's digging the nicest he

is right now, poking the bear. Man, poking the

bear. Yes. Bill Prague, from fountain through fountain. He's 2000 sets, he says. But Prague, it always the hive. Guy, people who using hive have the same problem explaining this as more people get de platformed and definanced, more will understand. PS, not Brian. He boosts like a champ. I am cheap, yes. So that confusion is cleared up. Is not Brian in disguise?

Good to know.

Good to know. Do we got any please get the back, okay, yeah, we got that one. So this is the delimiter. Blogger, 25,000 sets through fountain. He says, howdy, Dave and Adam. Are you tired of the same old, same old in your daily cartoon fix? Do your funny pages not tickle your funny bone anymore? Fear not dear listener, for we've got the pan galactic gargle blaster of cartoon entertainment. Just visit www. Dot. CSB, dot. Lol, exclamation point, yo. CSB, oh.

He promoted himself this time he did. Oh, that's treat

yourself. That's cool. Yeah, we got some, uh, got some monthly forget. Charles current, $5 thank you. Charles, guess Satan's lawyer from down under $5 Jorge Hernandez $5 Michael Goggin, $5 Cohen gloss Buck $5 Christopher reamer $10 James Sullivan $10 and Jordan dunville $10 thank you all for that group.

Thank you all so much. This is a value for value project. It goes beyond this podcast, although Dave and I are always happy to just catch up with each other, the only time we talk really during the week is on Fridays during the board meeting. Podcast index dot social is where you can if you want to join, shoot me an email. [email protected] [email protected] and of course, you can go to podcastindex.org down at the bottom, you see a big red donate

I'm sure James appreciates the the boosts in his chattel, or wherever you are, the Chateau Chantelle.

I will take a photograph, and I'll find out what they call it. Yes,

please do

James. Thank you so much for being with us today. At the end of what I'm sure was a tiring trip, and you still have a good what is it? 14 hours to fly? You have a direct flight or,

Oh, I've got more than that. I've got, I've got five hours to get to LAX, and then another 14 hours. So, yeah, so, but also thank you to you too, as well. You know you do a fantastic job. Not, not enough people say that you both do a fantastic job, especially Dave, with all of the stuff that I get to see, some of the emails that you have to deal with. So, so you both do a fan. Oh, is

he? Is he on the general email as well? The the I can't add my podcast or refresh it?

No, no. But I always get the I always get CC into some of these, they

go through James. See, they gripe at James first. Yeah,

we spend quite a bit of time during our day answering emails and refreshing feeds and but, you know, it's a lot. It's actually fun. What I like the most is when people say, Wow, thanks. They're really they're really grateful. Like, oh, you fixed it. Thank you so much. Yes, I have

an actual thought. There was an actual human being. The End, yes. Surprise,

surprise, yeah, James, as we like to do over at the no agenda show, I want to give you travel karma. So here you go.

You've got Thank you karma.

It's been it's been known to help, it's been known to help. It's been known to help, hope. So thank you, boardroom for being here in spirit and in verb as you've been chatting along with us. Very much. Appreciate it. Thank you everybody. Brother, Dave, have yourself a great weekend. You too, guys, both of you and well, we'll see you all next week. James, safe travels, thank you all right, everybody that's podcasting 2.0 it's a wrap. We'll be back next Friday with

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