Episode 188: Nothing Doodle

Podcasting 2.0 for August 9, 2024 episode 188, nothing. Doodle, hello everybody. It's Friday. Once again, it is the one day of the week. We all look forward to it's amazing. We actually look forward to doing a board meeting. Why? Because this is podcasting 2.0 where we discuss all things podcasting, the true nature of podcasting, from days gone by, from days today and days to come. What am I talking about? We are the only boardroom that walks our own talk all the

that was a lot to get out,

I know, and I bubbled all over it. I got diary of the mouth, man, I'm too excited. You need to shorten

up your your intro. Me reading an audio Well, I

was trying to be cute and say the man whose tail wind is very different from that of a 737, captain's tail wind. But I got this. I fumbled. I fumbled the ball. What can I say? Fumbled,

fumbled in

coxman, yes, if you're wondering, what is that about, that's the guy who sits at the end of the rowing Skiff with a megaphone strapped to his face. He is the coxman,

also Adams nickname in high school.

Oh so low, low blow. You know, I was, you know, I was a huge loser in high school. I was a dork. I had the wrong hair, of course. I had a little bit of those Tourette's twitches. It was, you know, people, they would literally piss in the teacher's coffee pot and blame me. I mean, that's how low I was, good grief, until someone figured out, wait a minute, you're John Holden on decibel radio. You're that guy.

So, so you're, so you're studio. Like, what do you call that? Like, a not a pin name, DJ, name my alien. DJ, name was John Holden, yes,

that's a great name. Well, thank you. Well, the reason, well, of course, it was pirate radio. So let me see if I have one of my old jingles. Oh, goodness, I probably had. This is an old cassette recording so for canvassing,

a man barely alive, $6 million DJ, Captain John your pilot of the airway, 1982

What am I doing here? This is some kind of Jingle package I was doing. I don't know. Let

me listen to that. What did you say? Huh?

The what? DJ, did you call yourself

the pilot of the airway, The $6 million DJ, what is this? This is crazy. Oh yeah, I got Jing Sung, hold

on the pirate boat.

So because it was, it was really pirate radio, you couldn't use your real name and and I, and this was kind of a, it was basically John Holmes, only who, of course, was a fan favorite,

of course, of course, he was, yes, it's not John Holmes. It's John holds John

Holden, exactly. Oh, yeah,

the $6 million DJ.

Do you hear me going like really, trying to get my voice down low. Yeah, I like

the underwater, whatever that was, we would,

we would bring girls into the studio and put a lot of reverb on them and get them just that's like church, pretty much. Wow. I just the archives. I'm putting it right back in the archives. Is where it belongs. Oh, well, I

mean, we got we got it now it's living. Is now it's gonna live.

Oh no, but I have hours of that stuff,

every minute of it, every minute I love you doing your own how so you're 19. Oh, no,

uh, let me see 82 Yeah. Wait, 80 I'm from 64 so I was so 84 would have been 2018, I was 18. Yeah, just barely 18.

Just you at the pocket recorder. Be like just John Holden,

you want to hear an air check? I think I got an air check. Let me see. Oh, please, let

me see if I have an air check. Anything of this you can whip out. Is okay?

Well, careful what you asked for. Yeah, put

it back. Let's see what this is.

Machine. Up. Mother number, here we go, still stepping high and dressing hip. I'm not quite sure if they got it all together. Hi, Fi DHD, hey, PhD, Mother number two, I love you all the same. I'll say that much. I won't let you down. Fantastic. 74 decibels to go move it and groove it and have fun with it. PhD, and I won't let you done. Hi, Jackie, how you doing? Hey,

Jackie, hey, Jackie, how you doing? Man,

that is amazing. I've

come a long way, baby, come a long way. Do you swell

with pride seeing how, how amazing, how awesome you were at that young age so

creepy. I mean, there was other stuff. Someone, someone tweeted me the other day. You know, it was 30 years ago. In fact, they sent me the episode for August 8, I think, let me see August. Let me see so a show from 30 years ago called rave radio. Okay, I don't know if I have that exact episode, but it was basically this. It was basically house music, yeah, yeah. See if I can find a break somewhere

30 years as you were 29

Yeah, I was doing rave radio from the New Jersey warehouse. And this was, you know, this was literally house Chicago warehouse. Trans, I can't find a break there. DJ Tiesto was pretty famous. He grew up listening to me on the radio,

really, yeah, yeah,

I've been around, baby. I'm old.

So the New Jersey warehouse. What is this? Well, I was

living in New Jersey at the time, hello, okay, and so I would do this weekly show called rave radio radical.

But you were at MTV at the time. Yes,

I was, but I was doing it for Dutch radio.

I always forget that you, that you did a duel, that you were MTV and you were still on the radio at the same time that

100 and yeah, I was doing, I was doing all kinds of stuff, and Adam curry top 30 hit list.

I just want that. I just want the underwater standard. But for podcasting

anyway, I'm in a, I'm in a freedom kind of mood today. Mr. Jones, I am just feeling so good about what, what we've created here, what we've built our community. And, you know, screw the advertising, screw the money, just the fact that we have built something that is available for everybody, everybody can use. You know, there's no, there's there's no de platforming. That was kind of interesting. James jumped in to

please, no, yeah. Yeah.

And James looked into it, it's like, well, you know, you have like, 15 duplicates, and you have 8000 redirects. You know, it's possible that you have a lot of stuff going on at the index is a little confused about about who you are and what someone's looking for, but possible and probably and probable, yeah. But it really just accentuated for

Yes, it is, you know, it'll make it just as much difference. That's

right, you know, it's freedom of speech, not freedom of reach. So you really don't know who's seeing your stuff. You know, x is now removed in the timeline, at least the Repost counts and the like counts. So when you're scrolling by, you don't see that anymore, only the number of views, which is, of course, highly manipulatable.

Oh yeah,

you can manipulate that better than you can with with likes and with reposts. So you know, I'm just seeing like we're all running around trying to communicate something, thinking that we're publishing, or where we're saying something to the world. You're not, you're not. And what's left is really RSS feeds of blogs and podcasts. That's the only thing I see left. Yeah, you've gotten over virality, but that's not important anymore. I

can't believe somebody thought we shadow banned him, like that's just not even well, ban you. You're You're banned. I mean, it's pretty well.

It's, you know, I don't blame them, because that's the thinking we've gotten to and whenever someone is not doing well on YouTube, but a shadow banning me, maybe you just suck. Yeah, it's possible. Maybe just no one cares, right? Yeah, you know, I even went into the

Julie crab Bitcoin audible. There's like 800 of these things index in there, and the the album art for them is called shit coin, insider,

okay, well, Chad, f you know, it doesn't nostr, because chassis, maybe we should use nostr. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. You know, you're talking to a very limited crowd of people, and that crowd of people will be great if, if you just want to talk to a few people, same with Mastodon, that's all you get. That's what it is. We have to get away from this I'm publishing. There's no more virality. When the journalists left Twitter, you never see a news article

I've got, I mean, I've got an idea. I think it might be because of that. That's that effect that we've seen over and over, that people have talked about, that when you go exclusive to Spotify, you lose your audience. Yeah, you lose relevance, you lose audience. And then when you come off of exclusive, exclusivity to Spotify. You're never your audience is never the same that, yes, it's you take a hit when you do that deal and then you never get it back.

I agree, but a lot broke. And what I think really happened is, besides, well, for Joe Rogan, that specifically, maybe, but the there was a decoupling from legacy media and and, quote, unquote, new media. They just don't talk about it anymore,

you see. So tell me what you mean. So not following exactly.

So the same the same thing, like anything that used to happen on Twitter or wherever would show up somewhere on television. Now I'm talking really probably more cable news than anything, but and Tucker Carlson may be a great example. Yeah, you know, he might as well be dead everywhere except Tucker carlson.com and I pay for his network. You know, I support him that way. And you know, okay, then he puts something on x, and it says, oh, 8 million 800 million views. Okay, whatever I

Did you see, yeah, I agree. And did you see CNN is like, they're, it's bad. They're, oh, they're numbers they had, yeah, they Paramount is going to cut 15% of the staff. See CNN writes down to $6 billion Sure, I saw it. I'm trying to find the story, because I saw it this morning. Says it was specifically about CNN, pretty

brutal. That was an older story.

Let me check my No, this is this is new. Though. This is new because I thought it was old originally, too. But it's actually because they just announced their numbers, the CNN announced their financials either yesterday or the day before. I can't, I can't find it at the moment. But what it was bad. I mean, there's a meat there's layoffs, and a lot of stuff is happening there, but it's pretty nasty. But I think it's all like we, which we've been trying to watch the the Olympics.

They lost me on that opening ceremony. Man, I was so soured just by everything. I'm like, screw these guys. I'm not interested anymore. But okay, you're watching. Yeah,

I got through it, and we didn't watch the opening thing. So we're so we're just trying. We're just trying to watch, oh, man, the advertising is just, yes, it's off once off the hook, once you're dead, like once you're out of that mindset for a while, and you try to go back into it, it's just

also, I'm seeing a large, oh, let me use the word uptick, large uptick when we go live. That's what is. That's what turns people on. The idea of, and when I say live lit, which no agenda has been doing for 15 years, you know, at any given time when we start off the show, we're between two and 3000 people listening live on a Thursday or a Sunday. I mean, that's, I find that pretty awesome. That's significant and and I really try to interact. Let me see what the listener

here, take take it to the people.

Take it to the people. Boy, take it to the people.

Well, I, I, I took. A foray this week, a foray, a foray, which is why my audio was messed up this morning. Uh huh, you.

What were you doing?

Not this morning, but well again, were you? Were

you cheating on me? We on another show? No, I

will. I was flying solo. What did you do? I did. I narrated two audio books and posted them as RSS feeds. Oh, wow, yes, full on audio books. Well, I mean, they're, they're short stories.

Tell me what are they called? Well, if

you look, if you go to the index and search for Clark, yes, your middle name, yes. Thank you, Clark, if you search for Clark, Ashton Smith, A, S, H, T O N,

murder in the fourth dimension. Yes.

And the devote. Those two, top two are me, devotee in the fourth dimension, and the devotee, well,

you obviously know what I'm gonna do right now, don't you? Oh,

yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that.

Oh, okay, pod sage,

the following pages are from a notebook. Oh, it was discovered lying at the foot of the oak tree. This

is better than John Holden.

No, nothing's better than John Holden. They would have been dismissed immediately. Oh, I

like it. Oh, I'm listening to this. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, I'm listening to this beautiful I did

it for a couple of reasons. I've been wanting to do this for a while. I think you knew, I think you knew I wanted to do some audio books, sure,

sure. But what beer Are you drinking? By the way, is that a PABs blue ribbon or no,

it's a Michelob Ultra. Okay, the so I thought about for a while, and there needs to be more content out there that's actually tagged as medium audio book. Yes, I agree. So there's this. There's lots of audio books out there, but not but hardly any of them are tagged appropriately with the medium tag. So I've taken it upon myself to do this work. So I'm going to start narrating. Is I'm I enjoy it, I like it.

I can't I can't wait to listen. I can't wait to listen. I'm totally digging that idea. Brother, it's awesome. And

with and so also this get as there's a dual strategy here, uh huh, because it

also one is, one is exit strategy to get rich. Obviously, yes,

and it's working out great. So far, all my SATs come from myself, making sure it works on casting magic. So that's great. At Five SATs a minute,

yeah, I know I'm very familiar with this.

Not exactly, not exactly torching the helipad screen at the moment, but, um, the other, the secondary, uh, thing is that I want to see how, I want to get a better feel for how the podcast hosting company UIs worked. Ah, that's

a good idea. I'm

going to spread these around. The first two I did on RSS blue because I have, because I knew that, I knew that his the Dovi dos interface right up front, like as part of the creation process, it asks you, what kind of content is this? Is it podcast? Is it music? Is an audio book. So I'm like, Okay, I'm going to RSS blue first, because it's going to ask me at the beginning, is it an audio book? And I'm going to say yes,

have a free tier you can take advantage of

not I want to pay for my stuff, so I'm I want to support these guys too. Yeah. So the Yeah. So far, it was a fun experience. It was a like, RSS blues interface was really easy. And I would like, I noticed in there, and I think at least also rss.com, and pod home, and I know, and blueberry, I think those also support live. So my what I would like to do is do a live audio like live reading of some short stories, just to get

Yeah, I like that. I like it just

like 30 minutes, you know, 20 to 30 minutes of reading, and it's fun.

Now, are these books that you get off of? What's the what's the site I'm thinking of? The Oh,

you're thinking of like Gutenberg. Gutenberg Press, yeah. Gutenberg, no, I've gotten most of these books and in physical copy,

but they're but they're in in the public domain.

They are, yeah, yeah. I

think we discussed that. I tried that once. One of my favorite books as a kid was Tom Swift by was it Appleton, I think, which was basically a a combo name was a whole bunch of writers, but they all were under the something something. Appleton, and some of them are from 1899 and stuff. And it's

the It's always, it's always great to read the word Negroid exactly as a description, exactly. I'm like, I'm like, doing it's what do I need to do here? Yeah,

like, go back and read Huckleberry Finn. Like, okay, but I like it because you're clearly doing it to communicate something written that you want to communicate. And you're not doing it for any other reason. Well, you are. You have, you have secondary reasons to try it out, but you want to share something which is which kind of brings me back to my freedom vibe today.

The so the the interesting part about reading these books is that there are these short stories. They're very calm. They're like, it's very much like you said. The this, the way they're written, is very It's difficult. It's difficult. It doesn't flow,

like reading the Bible, yeah,

exactly. It feels like you're reading the it's hard to put like the, you know, you try to when you're when you're reading an audio book, you're trying to act, you know, you're trying to be an actor. And then, right you it's, it's hard to, like, express yourself when the structure of the words is so foreign to anything you would ever say or hear anybody say in regular I don't think this is, I mean, this is

Well, what I really like is the timing of this, where we're being inundated with AI voices, and I can tell you that will never compare. I will listen to a Dave Jones read above an AI voice any any day of the week, because there's certain personality and traits that I don't believe can be replicated with computers. You can get something decent or whatever, but to have a true interpretation, I mean, that comes from the soul brother. It comes from a different place.

I did, I did use, I did use AI art for the first time, it turned out, okay, yeah, okay. I don't think it looks I don't think it looks horrible. I think it looks like, if you look at the cover art, I don't think it looks like. It doesn't, to me, stand out necessarily as AI art. I mean, I think you could probably tell that it is, but it, it looks sort of old timey to me. Yeah, murder, not great. Yeah, that

looks okay. There's a knife on the ground. It looks like it's Mars as a dude, a

dude he's a dude, like, I mean, I can't, I don't have, you know, I don't have no.

You have no. We have you and I, neither of us have any art jobs. No, that's, you know, would it be better if someone made something for it? You have Melissa. She probably makes something better for you.

No, she didn't have time for me. She's got her own stuff.

It is the entire use case for AI. My wife doesn't have time for me, so there you go. Use some AI, yeah, the wheels are coming off. That thing. The wheels are coming off, I'm telling you now.

Oh yeah, for sure, yeah. I think I think some, no, I used mid journey. And I think some of those guys like that have they for their Let me qualify this. They have their a a business strategy, a financial plan that works for them now that financial that that functioning profit, is all based on the big guys losing money. So because they're they're tapping into somebody a hyperscalers system in order for this compute time. Yeah, and that is losing money. So yeah,

once that, once those guys say, hey, we really got to charge you for this. It's all over. It's all it's over. Yeah, yeah. But also, if you look at no agenda, Art generator.com, which, and you know, this used to be all handmade art, and now a lot of it is AI. It doesn't stand out anymore. It's like, okay, whatever a lot of it is, yeah, well done. But, you know, you don't have a good idea to start with. So it doesn't matter if it's well done or not. It's just

did play the music myself. That is me. Ah, that's not generated.

Nice, nice,

nice. It's like,

I'll take it. I'll take it anyway. Whatever you do, don't, uh, don't try Libsyn with one of these experiments of yours, because that may not stay

up very long. No, I figured that's already, uh, that's, that's already a goner. Let

me tell you. It's, it's bad news when the CEO supposedly leaves, you know, maybe we don't know, and no one says anything. Nah, is it? Because

they all work from home, and nobody could tell if he left.

Nobody knew if he was gone or not. I don't know. I mean that that company has been such a mess financially and administratively and cap table wise, is just, I don't

know. Dave Jackson bailed me. Yeah,

he did. He did. Happy for him. Got a nice note from Brandon. He's like, Oh, did you Yeah, he heard us talking about, he says, Hey, man, you know, he was very excited about, what can I do for live stuff? You know, how can we make pages like the, like the, the live pages for the bands of Bitcoin? I sent him some examples

live on pod page would be really cool, right? And

by the way, I'm so happy to see that or to read that episodes.fm will soon include all podcasts. Yeah, that's great. I'm very excited, because that that thing kicks ass. I mean, I'm always shooting out the no agenda live and the episodes on, because we do have an iTunes ID on, on episodes.fm and it's great because people can just say, Oh, hold on a second. This is the app I use. Click, and if you want, you can make it always select that, and it's like, huge problem solved.

Yeah, the only thing holding it back was just the dependency on iTunes ID. So

is he going goo? It's now, is that what he's going to do, is that he's going to work it what? I

don't know, I don't think he said yet. Well, I'm

excited about that. I think that is one of the biggest, the biggest advances we've made in podcasting in a long, long time.

Yeah, because it obviates the need for the chickens.

It's a barrage of chicklets. Yeah,

yes, barrage of chicklets and and also this begging Apple to support a default podcast player and all that. Yeah, because that's they're they don't care. They don't. They're not. They don't.

No, they don't. It's great. I mean, it's really, really cool that it truly is. It's one, it's a, it's a great that was what Apple really brought to the party. You know, we forget about it, because some of some of us weren't alive back then. I was flying with this kid. We went up to Dallas. He's 28 that's, remember last That was last week, yeah, and So Ed, the ed is 28 and you know, it's like, he's like, Oh, so you know, of course, he's heard of me. He's like, so tell me about

it was all jersey shore by then.

No, of course, of course, of course. Well, he knows vivo, yeah, okay, great, vivo. But back in the day, you know what Apple really brought to the party was a one click, click, subscribe. You know that was, that was the advancement, because they had the they had the the distribution, they had the mass.

They had still one click, subscribe. App to their app, sure, sure, yeah, only to them, yeah. So, you know, pod, pod LP, the yes,

the lobe, the flip phone app,

light and capabilities, what? What does that have? As I was saying, it's like pod, LP, I guess that means, uh, I've always thought that meant lightweight player, or something like that. No, I

don't, I don't, um, well, it's chi OS, I know that they, they run on us, which is a load OS, which is a good OS,

maybe pod, maybe LP, means low power, low power.

Could be, could be, but all that stuff works. We, we've done, hey, just again. We've done amazing things. This community is so fantastic.

But pod LP, he sweet Thomas over there, he's he sent me a note and said he switched, he switched his back end to using the index. Oh, excellent, yeah. But he did it in a really, he did it in a really responsible, good way, which is the way that I always recommend, if you know people ask about it, which is you, you know you could use us for search and and then also kind of track the index through the SQL dumps and

on your own, your own database, during your own database. I mean, okay, yeah, and

so, and it's, it's in So Mitch. The reason I brought one, reason I brought it up is because Mitch is also, you know, he's re engineering.

Pod Yes. Welcome back, Mitch. Young Master Mitch. He is back

pod first. Let's just call it pod verse, next gen,

next gen, yes, G pod verse, next gen, underwater version,

aka John Holden, I can do it here.

Podcast, next pod verse, next gen,

the rodecaster duo needs a John Holden button where it makes you sound like you're underwater.

I bet I can. I can work that one out, and I might be able to try that. But yes, anyway, he's doing pod verse next gen, yeah, yeah.

So he's doing pod verse next gen, and he's doing it also in the responsible way that you do if you're running a system, is he's, he's using his own database, but just, you know, syncing things out from us as needed in so he's rebuilding some error, not rebuilding, but he's building some of the, some of the SQL stuff right now. Mm, hmm. And I thought we might talk about it for a minute. Yeah, sure

thing. Sure thing. By the way, I also saw that he was getting some some grief from Apple about not working on Android Auto, or no, that would be the place Google, because it works for me. I mean, it works on my Android Auto. I don't know what they're talking about.

I think it's got something to do with the entitlement that is needed to do, to take over, to do an overlay on top of the screen,

you need the DEI plugin.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's why that's hard to get. It's a tough. It

is tough. He's not, he's not in a group. Yeah, the draw over, I think that's a selection. Isn't that something you select? Let it, let this app draw over all screens, or something.

Yeah, and it's got something to do with with that they're saying that he's not doing that, not

doing not holding it

right. Yeah, you're holding it wrong, yeah. So he, so he, so he's building, he's building out his database. And he was talking about what, you know, so how should I do this, with these, with features so you have, and I just thought I would lay out, like, the way our database is structured, because it's

kind of just in its first Can I just interrupt you for a second? And now it's time for sexy sequel. Talk

with Dave Jones, yes, very unsexy. Okay, so we have, we've got two main tables. They've got a feeds table and an episodes table. Those have just core RSS tags as columns. So the feeds table has as the columns, you know, of course, it's got the ID, it's got the title, the URL, the the GUID, I'm sorry, not the good. Yeah. No. I'm sorry not the good. This got the the author, and it's got, you know, this gets got these, the

more than one Adam curry in the world to start with, right?

And he, because he was saying, Well, you know, in order to do something like that, what you would need is, like a some sort of person. GUID,

yeah, a poet,

a poo, have a have a pued, yes. And so, Adam curry now has a poet of 11264584, some, something like that. Yes. In the other Adam curry, who's from, you know, Ohio, Oklahoma, actually, yes, Oklahoma, his pu it is something different and so but, but that's all. That's just all not necessary. So instead, just on your in your table, schema for your person tag, just use a multi a multi column index. So make a unique index that encompasses the name, the URL, the role, that kind of

no, there's got to be a lock.

Yeah, there's, there's going to be a there's always a brief lock, because it has to resolve those foreign key constraints. So when you delete, so like in the person tag table, example, the person tag is tied to the episode table, and there's another one tied to the feeds table for those different scenarios. So let's say that you have, let's say that you delete an episode that has a corresponding entry in the episodes person table. Well, there's a cascade effect that

What is the timing of that? Because one of the main support questions I answer is, Hey, man, why is this? I deleted that and it's still there and, you know, and I do a reset, and it's all good.

Now, on the feed level, it's not like that's we don't really delete anything for sometimes, you know, six months, but like when you if it's talking about, like a whole feed, because we try to find which we're trying to make sure there's two, there's two scenarios where we don't delete things. One is, if it's still a live feed in in iTunes, and because, again, we're constrained, because we have to

got to lock that when you, when you delete something, right?

Yeah. And we're only deleting, like, you know, 100 a day, sometimes right across. So it, I mean, it can take six months.

So when I hit, when I hit a reset on the dashboard, I'm actually locking the database for a delete to be to be performed.

You are, but it is so fast, okay, because it's only one, because it's only one feed, if you were to go in there and, let's say, and do a reset operation on, let's say, 1500 fades at once, you would see it.

So here's a higher level question regarding this, because your recommendation for pod verse, Ng and for pod LP, etc, your recommendation in general, is to have your own database and sync with us. How can we mitigate the delays with POD ping expectations? Well, one of the one of the features I mentioned of podcasting, two point. And modern apps is, hey, you know when, when we publish our feed, when I say we, I mean no agenda, typically, within 90 seconds, it'll update in your

That's interesting. I would say watch. I mean, the the first recommendation would be watch pod ping yourself, for sure, because it's not hard to do. It's just one it's a one liner, you know, in Python, uh, Python script,

you guys coded it right now while you were talking was so

easy. Just get your co pilot. Yeah. I mean, second to that, it would be, watch the, you know, watch our tracking endpoints for let's, let's say you have your own database, and that database for your podcast app has, let's say it has 100,000 feeds in it. You could just watch our you can watch pod pain, which is the ideal solution, great. Well, actually, that's, that's the good solution. Or even better, first to encompass feeds that don't have pod pain as well. You can

tracking,

let me make sure it's Cool. I'm not lying here tracking dot current, current.

Okay, am I gonna get some JSON? Yes, it's loading a big JSON. Ah, slash, U, 05, DB, slash, Euro, 05, d9, e8, ooh, sexy.

Oh yes, good stuff. Okay, so

this is, this is basically our output of what we suck in from pod. Ping. So

no, this is, this is our aggregator. Is our this is what, this is what our aggregator is doing. So the way this works is every, I think it's once a minute, we post a new copy of this file. This, this slash current file. So this is always the the latest thing. So these, this is a list of the last X number of feeds, and I think it may be episodes as well. Let

me check looks like episodes.

Yeah. So this is the latest X number of feeds and episodes that we have found, that we have found that have updated one way or the other one, that, yes, they have changed. Yeah. So you can, what you can do. The way this is meant to work is you can? You can? You can hit this end point first the tracking dot podcast, index.org/current parse the JSON and look for the previous tracking URL property, which is

Yes. Thank you for the thank you for the pretty print checkbox. That's nice.

Oh yeah, you're welcome. Yeah, the so if you do, if you just go in there and then walk, if you get the current, the slash current first, then get the previous tracking URL and walk backwards until you hit the last one that you checked, then you'll know that you've seen everything that we've seen. And what

kind of resources is this just a flat file we output that people are grabbing, or is this a database call?

This is not a database call, it's a file in object storage, nice, nice, and it's also cached at Cloudflare. It's not really hitting us at all. Got it. The other way to do it is with a database call. And this is the way John Spurlock does it. Is he? He does. There's a end point called recent slash data, and it's essentially this same thing, but you're just using, you're you're doing re, you know, it's live, it's live data, instead of, like, a one minute delay. For most people,

Was that it for database talk?

I guess

because I was getting a little drowsy, just a little I'm honest.

Well, no,

it's important. Look, you said, look,

look,

I've got a complicated relationship with lasagna.

Okay, that is the ISO of the day. Let me see. Please grab grab

that. The reason I'm bringing this up is because this you asked, What do you recommend for this type of problem? To me, this is, like, the microwave power problem. So, like, you know, the problem with, if you look on the back of any, like, heat em up food, yeah, it said, you know, sometimes they'll say, like, set your microwave power to 50% and microwave it for this many minutes. Like, no

Marty, no, no, no spot, like, check, put your finger on, okay. Boom, blast again. We all know how we do it. Yeah,

exactly in book. And the reason is because nobody understands what the crap is going on with the user interface for powers on microwaves, you hit the power button, and then things start blinking, and you're like, Okay, what? What does this mean? Am I supposed to hit the power button again, right? Like, and now it says P, 00, what does that mean? Zero power and so if I hit start right now, is it not going to

it's horrible. And I see, I see Tina sometimes, and she's like, No, you got to hit this and code two and that, and then number three. And then it's like, what, you know, all that stuff. She's got the interface of the microwave down, man. Like, oh, okay, I had no idea. And

then, you know, so when you get to something like lasagna, where it's dense in the middle, like, so I don't normally eat lasagna because it's one of those things that you have to heat eat, like, when you reheat it, well, number one is, usually got too many noodles in it.

It's, like, it's kind of the feature of lasagna. Well, I

mean, like, you know what? I'm more likely because you're gonna have five layers of noodles in a lasagna. I'd rather you have, like, cut it down to like, three, okay, and then fill the rest up with stuff, you know, with like, sauce and meat and cheese and all that. So but if you go back, it's so dense in the middle with all that lasagna noodle like sheets, that when

cold sheets, I know, cold sheets,

great for sleeping, not good for lasagna. And so this is the same type of problem when you say, Okay, we have this system over here. We have pod ping over here, and we're getting immediate updates, and then we have this sort of like Limbo zone between us and this other app. And then how, how do

Okay. How does this relate to database talk? I don't know. Let me play a song. Okay, let me play a song. And I selected something that is a throwback to bands of Bitcoin. I don't know. Have you ever seen Hey citizen perform live? No, the Hey citizen experience. It is one of the most psychedelic things you have ever witnessed. He did a, he did a live show, I want to

and the morning the rain keeps pouring on the interstate. This loneliness like a truck and the last Lane forcing me to put on the brakes. I wish I was with my amigos, wearing a speedo and watching the rainbow across the lake, laughing and cracking balloon gas recording a podcast my friend makes now I'm driving in the left lane with 20 tons of steel, but it's still pouring rain behind the wheel, cause I'm

I give that five stars, five out of five, five out of five, baby. That is fantastic.

I love the song Nashville itself. One star, one out of five. I love Nash. I

like my engine lights on from my heart like, Oh, that's a great lyric. That's a great line. That's a great line. I

like it, yeah? That was a great that was a great too.

Yeah, I got a call from Suzanne Santo. You know her.

Why does that name sound really she's been on

Rogan a couple of times, and she is, she's married to Nick pizzollato. He's the guy that, single handedly wrote, directed, True Detective for, I think, HBO, very successful series about, you know, down, or is it, didn't want to say the bayou, I don't know where it is, but it's, you know, with Woody Harrelson and and she calls, she's, she's a musician. She's an artist, by the way, she rocks the fender like nobody's business.

And haven't you mentioned her on the show? Might I might

have, I might have, I think you have, yeah, well, she they just had a baby. He's nine months, nine months old, little Rosie, okay? And, but she called me says, you know, I got a new album. I'm putting it together. Says, I'm so sick of everything. You know, I've heard about the podcast in 2.0 stuff. So I took about an hour and I walked her through, and she kept saying, Wow, this amazing. Wow, wow, really, wow. I just kept

What phantom power is doing live, they announced live V for V music streams every Monday night. Saw that, yeah. I mean, they're like, partnering with the vinyl lounge. Oh, excellent. Yeah,

okay, gotta get on. That gotta be promoted. You know, that was, the only thing that bugged me is how there was a lot of toonster, tunester, you know, zap us, you know, like, okay,

you know, well,

I understand that's an important audience, but that is the Bitcoin audience. I want to get people out who are not in the Bitcoin world,

right? I think it just, you know, it hits me that what's being recreated here is music radio totally is, because what you have is you have people, musicians onboarding into V for V, who, then who publish their music. It gets picked up by the DJs, on the on the music shows. Yep, you know your show, phantom power, just it's a mood lightning, thrashes, these homegrown hits. It gets picked up by these music shows. And then that's where it gets this heard. You know, it gets

even earlier. No, no. It's like, it's going back to American Bandstand.

Oh, that's great. It's just so cool. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna

get there. It takes time. These things take time. They take time. They take time. John Holden says they take time.

Yes. Listen to John Holden kids, uh,

any, any word from Oscar yet on the wallets? Anything? I haven't heard a thing

I've not heard from Oscar. No,

I looked into that Fetty mint that launched the new, uh, okay. Mint, yeah. Pass,

yeah, that's, that is not. Cashew is doable. Fedimint, no, the distributed, sort of federated, you have to have multiple people approve it. That's that'll

work at all. I just went in, I downloaded the app and messed around, like I see all the problems right away.

Can you tell me what a roll up is? A layer two roll up? No,

I have no idea. I'm

hearing this phrase all the time, and I have no idea what that means. A

layer two roll up.

Yes. Like there's been a bunch of stories lately about this thing called a layer two roll up. And it's, I'm like, This is so new to me, and I You're not explaining what this term roll ups.

Can you move computationally intensive processes to a side chain to ease congestion on the main chain while stabilizing network fees and transaction speeds.

Jeff Scott says it's the outside wrapper of a fruit roll up

here. What is a roll up? Hold on a second roll ups are several smart contracts on the Ethereum main net. Do I need to. Do you want me to read further?

No, please. Sounds good. Didn't think so. No, I'm good. Yeah, that's a rug up.

Roll up is after the rug pull

Yeah, first the rug pulled in the layer two, roll up. That's funny. Have you ever heard of a laptop form, by the way, as far as new new terminology,

well, I have one here in my office. I have so many of pretty much a laptop, by the way, for those of you who don't care, I'm going to tell you anyway, but had a fail on clone Zilla would not recognize the internal drive. I played with it for hours and hours, and then I'm like, You know what? I'm just going to rebuild this laptop. And I've gotten pretty good at it. And so I because I got all my all my licenses and everything that's all organized, and it wasn't too hard to to

it's hard to they don't really advertise the touch screen so much. I didn't even

realize I just happened to touch the screen. Like, Oh crap. It works. Sometimes

you're like, pointing something out to somebody, and you're like, Oh crap, I

did something. Yeah. Because you did. It's Anyway, yes,

I actually help you at all. Dude with disaster is actually, yeah, it

does for scrolling. Sometimes. I have a the touch screen that I use for my shows at home. Here is a big it's a big one, and it's touch screen and, and, and I do have a sound board up that I typically control with the mouse, but in a pinch, I'll just, you know, go in booze. Just hit it, because it's, it's nice. It's nice to be able to do that, but it's not something I use a lot. But anyway, laptop farm, you were, you're gonna, you're gonna tell us something.

Oh, no, I just, I had read the story. I think it was yesterday, and it hit me. So it's talking about lap, laptop farm, meaning, let me see if I can explain this, because it's complicated. So there it's, well, the story is this guy in in the US. You

sure he's not in Ethiopia, because I think that's where there's a laptop farm. No,

this guy's in Nashville, which, you know, which is one step above Ethiopia,

after your recent visit. Yes, yes. Uh, so

he's in. This guy's in Nashville. He got arrested, because what he was doing was he was, he's an IT guy, and he was posing like taking, doing remote jobs. So he was applying for jobs as a remote worker. He would get hired in their it. They would send him a laptop. He would then log in with VPN credentials and stuff, he would log in as so he may be, like, you know, involved in like 10 different companies, unbeknownst to all the companies he's working, supposedly remotely

a dude named Ben, named Ben named Kim. Good one, cotton gin.

That's exactly right. You nailed it.

Oh, man, wow, yeah. I mean the true hacking is never sophisticated technology. It's all it's never, it's all psychological, brother, it's all psychological.

Garm folded, no, that didn't last very long,

no, you know, then this has seemed like, yeah, Elon, he did it, yeah. He went after Garm. They filled it. You know, it's not like they're gonna advertise with him now, all of a sudden,

oh no, no, of course.

You know that was just, it's another PR move. Like I'm, I'm concerned about this guy. I don't I, you know, I've always Elon, you mean, yeah, now I am.

Oh yeah, yeah.

I think it's gonna result in no anonymity. You know, Garma, whatever, okay. I mean, he literally told advertise to go F themself, right? You know, you don't like what they care. Yeah, and now he's gonna do this big, yeah, he's even got these guys all into Trump. Now, Trump is like, I don't like EVs, but I gotta like him. I gotta like him now, because Elon, you know, he's good. We got it. Elon's good. So, you know, and then it goes right into, you need $9 billion

I guess the thing that got, the thing that caught my attention about it, was the, the true nature of the company, suppose. So the story goes that that Garm really like, the actual entity that is Garm was really like two dudes,

right? I mean, it's the backing is the American Federation of Advertisers. I think is not what it's called. I think so, something new, a World Federation of Advertisers.

Okay, the so this, I don't know if I can get you this clip. Got a clip. See if I can find it. It reminded me. It reminded me of this. Oh, yeah, okay, I think, I think I may have found it here. Let me copy this. This is sort of a throwback from a

couple of years doing it live. People were doing it live. So

it reminded me of this clip. You think these companies, PEPFAR

was really sorry, yeah, once you go ahead and set it up,

yeah. So this is this lady, Catherine Eben. She wrote a book, a book about the the total scamminess of generic, of the generic drug manufacturing market, and from this, so this is from a few years ago, and she's talking here about Scott Gottlieb.

Yes, we know Scott Gottlieb, yes.

And Gottlieb used to be the FDA

administrator, and then he became a board member for Pfizer, right?

And so we hear, we hear people talk about the the who, the who. And when you hear about these organizations, what you think, in your mind is, this is these vast in these vast organizations with, you know, with all these resources and people and that kind of thing. And the truth is not really like that, because she talks about what Scott Gottlieb said about the WHO PEPFAR

was really born of the best of intentions, and was sort of maybe one of the most sort of brilliant, innovative globalization ideas, which is that the developed nations of the world and us, the US could use taxpayer dollars to buy low cost generics from India and send it to Africa to address the AIDS crisis. So in that sense, it was really remarkably innovative. So George W Bush announced the intention of PEPFAR during 0203 and this creates a little bit of a tension within the

yes, so that, so we think of the World Health Organization, this big entity with all these resources, and Scott Gottlieb is like, no, that's just a couple of guys in Yugoslavia. This is not who you think it is. The same way with all the like Garm and all that you hear about these things, and you think that they're these big things, but they're really, it's just like a it's like a couple of

dudes. I know it's like podcasting 2.0 it's just a couple of dudes. Hey, man, that's, that's the latest thing. That's a couple of dudes. Yeah, we get

these, we get these emails. Sometimes there's like I'd like you to put, could you put me in touch with your PR? It reminds me of that guy that I think, Sam Sethi interviewed him on pod news. It's the guy from a hub Hopper, the Indian podcast associate, where he said he had made up like seven different. Email addresses, reply from different ones to make people think that he was a big organization.

That's funny. Yeah, that was what got

me. Is this like, I think we just put too much, we sing too much television, yeah,

we all. We all think we live in the West Wing. Garm,

oh, my gosh, Garn, they must. Oh, they're unstoppable. Yes, couple dudes,

that's a good point. Yeah. Let me see what else is happening in the world of podcasting. Think we've, I mean, has lots of stuff, advertising, blah blah blah, money, blah blah, blah, Okay, done.

Well, I mean, I went over the we're kind of, I don't know, we don't, I don't know if we have enough time to go over this UID, UID too.

Oh, I'm very interested, because I have no idea what it is, how it works, and I've seen you post about it and but see a lot of technical garb. So can you give me a high level kind of like the like, the roll up

the roll up the roll up, um, I guess the high level would be, what is the high level class

tracking mechanism?

Yes, okay, yes, it is. I mean, it's classic advertiser bull crap.

Well, I need to know about it, then they've really

learned nothing in this. So, you know, cookies is the way this has all worked forever, third party cookies and just a, you know, for for people, tracking, for tracking

they could, so they could have monopoly over the next version of it.

Yeah, exactly over a cookie 2.0 right? And so then they but, you know, I think we all know now, about a week ago, they said they're they're ditching all that. They're just going to stick with third party cookies for the foreseeable future, because that's the way this would have works. And the advertising industry is addicted to that. They're addicted to the two cookies. But they panicked when they thought that those

podcasting. So what is UID to Dave? UID

two is so and let me, let me, let me give you an let me give you an image that shows up. It shows the layout of UID to it'll make perfect sense to you when you when you see the,

okay, it's going in the show notes. Everybody,

yes, yes. This is, this is how easy you ID two is to understand here. That's pretty simple. These are the. You ID two workflows. You're

setting this up to make me think that it's not going to be very simple to understand. Oh, you put it in the chat, okay, yeah.

Do you hear the sarcasm dripping? Yes, I do need us understands it so he can now explain it to the rest of us. So UID two is a hash of some personal data of yours. So it's a you supposed to be a universal identifier, where you get a where they take, and I said when, when you say they that means an advertiser takes a hash, excuse me, takes either an email address or a phone number. Those are two examples they give, and they hash it into an encrypted form that's like,

Google.

This is evidently being put together by the IB now, uh huh, um, the to me, so, to me, the Achilles. So, if you, if you refer to the to the picture here, yes, you'll see,

you'll see that there's a dread. Put this in the in the chapter, man, that'll freak everybody out,

like, What? What? What

is this?

There's this sink. Is this? Is this the picture I was wanting? There's the sink that happens between the advertisers and the operator, and in order to determine if you have opted out. So let's say that I gave my email address, or, excuse me, let's say that an advertiser, because, number one, if you do nothing, you are you are completely left out of this

back and be unsalted. All this stuff has to happen. No,

it has to check and see if you've opted out. Okay, so there has to be an opt out check every single time for

every every element that requests this on a page before it

can request an ad. So it's gonna, it's gonna check if you've opted out before it requests the ad. Now, how this is, this is gonna take time, because you're gonna have to do a database check and then do it and then do a bid on a DSP, so

the database digital services provider, what is that? DSB, yeah, that's

the those are the background advertisers,

bid stream, yeah, good.

So that opt out. The only way this can work and not just bring us website to a crawl, is if that opt out check is at maximum, about 100 milliseconds, right? If it's more than that, you're going to start slowing. You're going to it's too slow, it's not going to work. So if that opt out request does not reply to the browser, you. In about 100 milliseconds. I can guarantee you that is going to the opt out is the check is going to fail, and it's going to give you an ad anyway,

Why? Why are they even doing this? What is this nonsense

like? You know all it's all based on the pro like, if you do host reads or coupon codes or anything like that, you don't need any of this nonsense. No, it's all based on programmatic ad insertion. Yeah,

that's what the bid stream is all about. Yeah, yeah.

All of this, all of this nonsense, is to prop up the $3 CPMs from dynamic ad insertion.

It is, yeah, yeah, right.

The cheap and, you know what? In a Russell, the from pod two in Australia, Russell on the podcast index. He had a great point. Let me see, I think I may have let me pull this thing up. Yeah? He said, Yes. Russell Harri, where he said, I guess if a business is spending money to promote, they really want to make sure that 250 was $250 was worth it. Was worth it. What we know is that is, the higher you spend, the less likely you care about this data. A client of ours got

always going to be advertising. It's always going to be there, and we'll never know exactly what half of the of the money worked. It's just that's the way it is. This is the way it's always been.

Well, we were watching the Olympics, and, you know, like, what they would have is the like, Visa would, they would say, this hour of prime time gymnastics was brought to you with limited commercial interruption by Visa

just interrupted me to tell me that, yes,

so visa bought a block, and they're like, Okay, you know, we're gonna be the sponsor for this segment, and they're never gonna know who saw it. Then, then there's no way to know that. But some, for some reason, the the the web and by, you know, proxy podcasting thinks that they need every freaking cent accounted for. It's gross. This is not going to work that you add d2 is,

yeah, well, power to them. It's all good. I've, I've, I'm in freedom mode, baby. I don't care. I'm in freedom mode. I don't care anymore. It's all good.

Freedom, mellow.

I'm just happy that people can podcast that my my partner, my friend, Dave Jones, can do read stories. People can talk about what they care about. There's ways to listen. That's good. It's all good. That's that's why we started this in the first place. Remember, I remember, remember number, yeah, remember, yep,

me and me and John Holden. Let's thank

a few people, and then we'll be able to wrap it up with a couple of leftover bits. Here, I'm gonna read some of these live boosts that came in. Once told Kyle sent a short row of ducks. 222, howdy from the Valley of the dinosaurs in Glen Rose, Texas. Have a good weekend. He says, Thank you. We got Chad F coming in with a nice row of eggplant emojis on my helipad. 11,111 Satoshis boosting for the hay citizen experience. Very nice, salty crayon 1188, hot afternoon

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I've got. I'm looking right here at a PayPal from Oscar. Mary for $200

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Paula, 20 inch Blaze only Impala.

Thank you very much, Oscar.

I'm gonna see if I can ring my beef milkshake cup from over here. Ring it negative. Okay? And Mitch in the middle of developing next gen pod verse next gen $50

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caller. 20 is Blaze only. Impala. Thank

you. Thank you.

Round two, also a miss. Uh, we got some booster grams up, starting off with kiryn from mere mortals. 2222 he says, this is through fountain, by the way. He says, boosting for Dave's bed, the couch was actually very comfy, and I felt safe with banjo and boss monster guarding me. Boss monster is my cat

Banjo. Banjo of what, 110 pounds of banjo.

So let me tell you what happened. So when kiring, I'd been gone for a few days and banjo, he always gets super excited when somebody comes back for my trip. So he was already fired up. And he's a very, you know, he's a very loving dog. Yes, he's not exactly what I would call gentle, no, because he's big, he's big, he's huge, but he's not, he's not aggressive, like he's he's just, he loves people, and he wants to just, like, rub all up on you and stuff. And so he's excited,

Man, oh, they must have freaked him out. Chiron

was like, Oh crap. What have I gotten myself into? And it's like, look, I promise, I promise He's nice. He's like, Oh yeah, the old I promise He's nice.

Said the one handed. Man, yeah,

exactly it was great. Yeah, it's great. Cool. Thank you, Karen. Appreciate that. See who we got. Oh. Beaven. Hour 2222 to pod verse for the Tiny Tim fund. Am I sick?

Yeah, you haven't been sick in a while. Knock on wood. It's about your time again.

Vitamin D, baby.

That's right, these milkshakes.

Andrew Grumman, hey, Andrew, 2222 Oh, yep, 2222 I heard it on podcasting, 2.01

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uh, oh, yeah. I see that's Oh. 2022 from another. 2022 from Andrew Grammy says, bed, boost. I. Wherever.

Okay for Chiron, I guess.

I guess so. Um, oh, Brian of London, so, Brian of London, 11, 948, big Israeli boost. He says, I hope you were properly fisting your Brian. Brian, seriously,

well, hold on a second. He

said, Yeah. He says, I hope you were properly fisting your nuts at the truck stop in last week's drive home story in the approved Dvorak method. See, nobody's gonna understand that reference unless

I play the 42nd fisting nuts mix, which I am happy to do. Just go for it, John, tell us your peeve about the fisting method of eating snacks on an airplane.

I see this on the airplane, and it's very annoying, and I think it will result in fights breaking out, because it's just so annoying to watch. Guy takes his bag of peanuts and he throws a pile of them into his palm of his hand, and then he makes a fist around the nuts, around the nuts, and then he shakes his fist to try to bring a nut to the little hole stop. And then he throws a nut in his mouth from his fist. Then he does it again. He shakes and throws and shakes and

Hey, John Holden production, by the way,

what was the name of, what was, what was the name of the detective you played on the porn movie?

Oh, God, what was his name? I forget his name. I don't remember. I don't remember. I

forgot.

I saved someone who sent me that. Someone sent me like a beautiful copy. I saved it somewhere so I can watch it at my leisure. Watch it later. Yes. Uh,

now everybody understands that reference. Uh, thank you. Brian. Uh, see, oh, Dame slammy, hey, I don't know who dame's Dame slay me.

I think it's Dame slay me. Okay,

slay me. Dame slay me. 33,138

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coming to cast a Maddox says, Hey, Dave and Adam boosting as a gift to my awesome dude, sir dude, chink, sir dude, chink. He loves this podcast, and His birthday is August 14. Go podcasting.

You got it? Go podcasting.

Thank you for cutting us in on the birthday. Boost. Yes, very nice. Oh, let's see is this. Is this right? Have we already hit the delimiter?

It's possible. You know, when the bitcoin price went crazy up or down, people like, oh, they spend my bitcoin,

yeah. You know, Bitcoin crashes all this because it because in in the reason is because it's traded 24 hours a day, seven days a week, like, if it's a if, if the market starts tanking on a Friday night, and people need to get liquid, yes, Bitcoin is the only thing.

Yes, exactly. And I know it's so weird, people don't understand that it was supposed to be a store of value. Man, yeah, look at the 200 day moving average, and you'll see that it is, yeah, it's a beautiful thing. Anywhere in the world I need cash, I can always sell, sell some bitcoin. It's

beautiful that way. Yeah, and it's right back. I mean, it's just right back up there. Yes, it was 6060,

and a half, 61 today, kind of in that range. It's a steep V check mark, recovery

comic strip. Blogger, 25,000 SATs through fountain says, howdy, Dave and Adam. I'd like to ask the podcasting 2.0 community to send booster Grimes to the podcast. Mo fax with Adam curry. Oh, you can find it at URL, www.mo, fax.com, it's a podcast where Adam and his black friend. Mo,

you got to do it like Trump black black friend, black friend.

It's a podcast where Adam and his black friend, Mo, explore black culture and politics in USA. I also had a podcast with black American once. I even shared DNA with him via 23andme me purebred Polak, and he 10% Irish, but rest African. 29 and a half percent Nigerian, 28.5% Ghanaian, 14.6% con Belize, etc. It was tech podcast though. Yo. CSB, yo,

yo. CSB, that's right. I

love the but it was a tech podcast. Yeah,

one more episode of mofax with Adam curry. We're going to do 100 episodes, then we shut it down.

I thought you've been saying one more episode for the past five episodes. No, no, we're

90 days. Always a 100 we're 99 And we hit 100 and then we may do something else, but we're gonna shut that one down. We're not gonna shut it down, of course, but we're gonna, who knows we're gonna do.

I hope you come back for emergency special coverage from time to time.

Well, you know, it's really, you need to know stuff. Yeah, it's really up to Mo, you know, it's really up to him, but he wants to, I just, I'm just facilitating, but at the same time, you know, it's been a very enriching experience for me, just to to learn and to share and to say, and he would say the same, yeah, this we are very, very, we're basically Obama and Bruce Springsteen, but for real and not that phony baloney stuff. Who would you want to

have a beer with?

And on the 23andme which, of course, I've never done because I'm not crazy. You know, we once did three DNA tests on Phoebe, our dog. They came back wildly different. One of them was like, Oh, she's 50% super mutt. Okay, sure, whatever that means, super mutt. In

the next one, she comes back, she's like, a wiener dog. Yeah, exactly. It's

just so lame, yeah, but there's no dog in her name. Doodle, thank God, she's a She's no nothing. Doodle, nothing. Doodle, nothing. Doodle. There you go.

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yeah, I wish more people than just fountain had it, because that would just, everybody lose lists and charts people, yes,

people do, yeah, well, I just like it for you know, we get a tweet. Hey, there's a tweet. Oh, look, we're in there. We're in there, we're in there. So, beautiful man. I was so bummed out. I was boosting, I boosted 20,000 SATs to Chris this week in Bitcoin. And then it's really, it's really a let down when, when you hear him do the show, and it's like, well, can't read any boost because, you know, my node was down, or, I guess he was moving merging to a I'll be hub, like,

Sometimes I'll boost, and then the next week it's like, oh, we're traveling. So this is a pre record, yeah,

yeah, yeah. When that's when V for V really falls apart when you don't get we don't hear your boost on the air. Oh, man, I want my boost. I want to hear my boost. Thank you. To D's laughs for 1000 SATs. He says, Hello from the great, or great great, the great white north. And once told Kyle comes in again with 2222 Yep, podcasting 2.0 you're gonna like my nuts. That's right. Oh and Dr Scott, 4568, currently fisting my nuts in the approved Dvorak method. No

good for you. Good,

man,

I'm looking at the fountain chart. We're podcasting 2.0, we're not on the number 16. Yeah,

we're not. We're we're lagging. Man,

we're in the top 20. We're in that we're number 16. Yeah, that's we're. We suck. We

don't suck. We just don't have a lot of people boosting

us. Fountain thinks we suck. Now, does 16

is not suck? I mean, listen, let me see how many people we have right now in our in our listening live, yeah, we had about 100 we had about 100

now below, we're below something called the bugle.

The what the bugle, yeah.

Well,

there are so many podcasts. That's what's so great about podcasts. There's a podcast for everyone.

Darren's show is above it. Larry and Darren's show is above us. Well, those guys, they

do, I think they do do. They only do one show a week. Well. They're definitely more general knowledge type stuff, you know, I think if they talked about SQL databases for 25 minutes, you know, they might see their boost go down.

Oh, sure, you're blaming this is, Oh, I see you're blaming me for this.

We have a very we have a very specialized podcast. We

do, yes, but, but I'm heartened by the fact that Bitcoin Audible is three, is three slots below us, so we're still beating them, even though we shadow banned them.

We have to take a look and see what's going on. I mean, they literally have so many entries. And James really dug deep, and he figured out that something about redirects and, you know, all these other things on their web page, kind of like I didn't quite understand it.

Yeah, I'm seeing it. It's just a mess. I'm gonna have to go through and clean all that. Yeah, and I'm sure that when I clean up every all of all of this stuff, one is gonna, no, I'm sure guy swan is gonna send us a big boost. Yeah, thank you.

Isn't he the guy with the white, the white strand of hair?

No, that's somebody else. That's, that's the other guy.

That's the other guy who is, let me see guy swan. I don't know guy swan. I know guy swan is, yeah,

that's you're talking about the you're talking about the Bitcoin, the dude that shows you how to do stuff,

yeah, that guy, yeah.

Sorry, sorry, 9000 9631

SATs from chimp. I'm not a nut FiSTer. I much prefer to toss him. Okay, and br, with 1000 SATs. Thank you. Thank you. B, Look, I

get, I get it. I bring, I bring a bunch of sequel, foreign key relationship talk, and you brought fisting nuts, and I see you win. You win. Okay,

hey, man, I'm a man of the people. Yes. What do you say? Should we call it? Have we done it to the for this week. I think we've covered we actually, I have to say, I enjoy when we dive deep into stuff. I think there's a lot of people who are our audience needs to hear these things

clearly. I don't know about a lot there. There are people that need to. There is three or four people out there that want

me to says he's in the boardroom. Hey, David Adam C, 1999 Are either of you all going to podcast? Movement? Hard? No, no, I'm not doing conferences. No, no, no, no, no.

If it was anywhere else then, then Washington, DC, I would consider it really

I mean, I was just so turned off by the whole conference vibe. Last time we went. It's like, no, it's just, I mean, I

just go to talk, yeah, I don't even, I just go to talk to people, yeah, go to any of the crap. I mean, like Bitcoin, Nashville conference was fun. Just,

yeah, well, no one went to the conference. Y'all just hung out at the outside the event. Yeah, that makes it's

different at Podcast Movement, because they stay, people stay in the conference all the time. So you're kind of like, cloistered. Yes, it's a cloister.

It's a big cloister.

But I mean, I would, I would consider going if it was like if it was I just don't want to go to Washington DC.

When's the last time you went to Washington? DC?

I've never been to Washington DC. Oh, well,

there's definitely a reason to go to Washington, DC at the right time of the year when the cherry blossoms are in bloom and it's not so hot that the urine, you know, wafts up from everywhere. The urine, I mean, it's really gone downhill a lot, but just to walk around and see all of our national monuments and the buildings, it's pretty impressive. It's definitely something as an American, you should do it at least once. Maybe we'll organize a curry and Jones trip, curry Jones family trip.

That sounds fun? Yeah, I would definitely want to go. I'm flying. It's just not, I'm not gonna go for Podcast Movement. That's not a draw, okay,

all right, my brother, thank you so much, Dave, I guess, yeah, we're on next week is regular, right? Do we have a guest coming up soon, or is that? No, nobody? Guess not. No, I got nobody. Okay, we don't need nobody, baby. We got the boardroom, and we will see you back here next week for podcasting 2.0 Have a great weekend. Everybody. See

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